You need a Power Feed, but which one?
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- Опубліковано 24 лис 2024
- I Compare 4 Power feeds for a Milling machine. They run in price from $125 to $1000 come along and find out witch one is best for your machine.
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I picked up one of the Wing Ding power feeds for my Y axis half a year ago and it's still chugging along. I didn't have the speed limitation issue on mine. I'm pretty sure your min/max Potentiometers on the speed control board are mis-adjusted. That's an easy fix you can try. Thanks for the side by side.
Right on
@@BuildSomthingCool Are you going to be doing more videos in 2021?
@@BuildSomthingCool Hey!Are you still making videos?Thanks!!!
Well fell in to the channel to late it looks like thank you for the great content
Will you be returning to UA-cam anytime soon? You are one of my favorites and I miss your content.
Saw your question about Dale returning to YT; did you ever hear anything about his sudden, unexplained departure?
At the time he suddenly left, the 1st thought is Covid; it sure eff'd my life up, I got it & it caused me to develop cancer. Yeah, that's a thing nobody is talking about.
Anyway, I saw this old vid in my feed & recalled how much I like his videos.
I was one of the many who, several years ago, suddenly had subs dumped. It was while I was real sick & off YT. It took me a while to realize some of my subs were missing, then someone told about the sub dumping incident.
Was hoping you'd learned something about Dale.
GeoD
He answered a question from another account on his video on scraping maybe a new account
Dale-miss your good videos!!! waiting for some more :) Hope all is well with you- God bless you and your family
I know man, What happened??
Hi buddy what’s up miss your Videos . Are you coming back?
I've been missing you, Dale. I hope all is well. Love your videos.
Hi there. I wonder why you stopped making videos.
Due to popular demand, you must make more videos!!! Thanks for your generosity and time for sending the awesome book collection to Keith!!!
Nice video Dale! You inspired me to go out in my shop and resurrect my 6F power feed. The handle was gone, the limit switches were gone, and all the wires were cut at one point. After some mock up parts, trial, error, and a few extra relays, it's alive. That thing can push me across the floor if I try to oppose it. Now that's impressive!
EXCELLENT VIDEO! Not only because it answers a question about power feeds that I have now, your delivery is perfect. No superfluous BS. SOOO many of these videos on YT are so awful I just cant watch them even tho I need their information! You got right to the point, made quality evaluations and gave a complete, concise summation. THANK YOU ( I AM subscribed!)
Thanks for doing this comparison, Dale. I FINALLY found a Bridgeport clone I could afford that wasn't beaten up, and am now in the process of doing little fixes and upgrades to it over time. A power feed would be nice at some point but it appears that going too cheap has its drawbacks in power feeds, much like most everything else in the realm of tooling.
My Millrite MVN came with a broken Servo in a box. I was planning to buy one of those cheep ones when a buddy stopped by the shop, saw the broken Servo, and offered to take it home and fix it. About a week later and $35 in parts, and the Servo is running lie a champ. Good friends are priceless..
He knows he will need a part made eventually. Lol
@@rossilake218 lmao
I wanted to add to the comments that many of us miss your content, I hope all is well with you and hope to see you back soon
I have one of the very first Servos made, given to my dad in the 1970s by his friend, the inventor and founder of Servo Products. In fact, it was the only product he had at the time so it doesn’t have a number, but it’s the 140, and there’s no on off switch, and he made them at his home shop so the tag actually says “Servo Products, Altadena California” It’s a residential city in north Los Angeles County where he lived. Still works great!
Is this channel ever returning?
Come on, man. You have to use your talent and make us another awesome video. Unless you're dead. In that case, R.I.P.
Man, has it really been 3 years?? Dale?! Where are you!!!
Gday Dale, thanks for taking the time to do the testing, the Cincinnati I just picked up is all geared through the knee, I’ve never had power feed before up I can see I’m going to really enjoy it. The rapid is extremely fast, I must check it over 10 seconds and see what it comes in at, thanks again and take care
You have the best of both worlds. Congratulations on the new machine
Hope you're well
I have an older Jet 9x49 that came with a factory X-feed. I got really tired of cranking the Z up & down. Tried a drill, didn't like it. I supplied the make & model of the mill to the feed seller. When I went to install it the new shaft had different threads! Dealer didn't have the correct one so I made one. My X has limit switches that I've never installed, I should do that. I did install the Z limit switches. I like the round handle on the X and have decided to modify the Z to take one that turns all the time. Getting the crank to engage is a PIA. Will just put a small nob on the wheel. So I can let it be engaged full time.
Boy that first one is a real wing dinger! Seriously I have one of those on my mill identical to the one that you reviewed and I’ve been very happy with it with the exception of the speed pot. The speed off has a dead spots down on low speeds I think I need to take it apart and replace it with a good potentiometer.
Missing the videos Dale. Hope you get some time to produce in the future. ATB
Hi Steve good to here from you. I have about 4 videos in the can. Now if I could find time to edit them. Lol. Editing takes take away from shop time😔😁
Hi Dale! Started following you after meeting at the bash. It was nice meeting you. I'm new to all this but I'm excited to learn something so fun and interesting. Hope you start putting up more videos 😊
You learn anything about why Dale quit posting vids?
A good review. Without sponsors, or Patreon, most home shops will go with the most inexpensive. Like handheld grinders. I have 6 HF handheld grinders with different wheels and brushes mounted on them. For all 6, I have less than $70 invest as I buy them on sale. One 4.5" Metabo can cost $125, unless you catch it on sale. I can wear out 10 of the HF and still not pay for a Metabo.
He it is.
mature I agree, I have the same set up with 5 harbor freight grinders each with a different tool(wire cup ,wire braided wheel, cut off wheel, grinding wheel,, and sanding disk, etc. ) oh and I also have one cordless milwalk. for when im on the move. all 5 corded grinders I got on sale for like 10 bucks each from HF cant beat that and they run well
What ever happened to this guy? Abducted by aliens? COVID get him?
Great video and valuable information, I don't think anyone else has covered this yet thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Still enjoy re watching your videos. We hope to see you on the platform again sometime soon. 👍
Hey Dale, as I do my new year's purge of channels I subscribe to, but no longer watch, I can't seem to unsub yours in hopes that you will be creating more content soon. Hope you're well and looking forward to your return.
I hope you are doing well. Looking forward to some more videos.
why you stopped making video bro? 🙂
I've had good luck with the al500p. I did one on my z and y axis since my x still has the servo. Adding power feed to the knee has just been an amazing improvement. I got so tired of cranking it up and down for tool changes. The shaft adapter is garbage, I ended up machining a whole new shaft for my Z axis with the differences integrated. But worth the time and effort.
i just drilled and tapped mine and installed an X axis feed on it, took all up 1.5 hrs and cheap to replace
Thanks for sharing' I love My Z axis if I get another machine that what I would put on it first. :-)
Is there a merch store to buy the "build something cool" stickers from the Fireball Tool shop tour?
I've missed you so much! You're back, Yay!
Yay! Thank you!
See you at the Bash. I think it will be very hot there this year.
I have an AL 500 on my Grizzly mill and have been through 2 armatures and one field coil, I run it at slow speed often. The last time I replaced the armature I found that the plastic cover on the top of the armature did not have the vent holes open. Drilled them out and over 2 years later it is chugging along. Also notice that after repeated cycles the speed knob changes position to a faster speed.
Amazing side by side comparison I don't have a lathe or anything but very cool how these things work
Hey Dale, I second the request for a video about your "pinging" the table. My 42" is also off by by 7-8 thousand. I am scared to scrape it that much as I don't have the hardware to do so properly. But that pinging thing I can do!
Correction: Peening. We aren't looking for a submarine...
2 years on, time for a comeback?
Very interesting makes what I do in my fixit shop seem insignificant 👍👊
Great review, I have a 1946 round ram Bridgeport with the original power feed.
It has different gear positions you can shift it into.
We needed this video.
I should have kept the Servo. The base was missing! I thought it was broken. I bought the Precision Mathews. Works great = 3 years now.
Tanks for your work, time and talent !! You're great !!
Many thanks!
This channel was a great find, thanks for posting so much content 👍
Thanks Dale, at some point I'll be getting a drive unit, now I have an idea which one!
Glad to help
Will you be making any more content on your channel???
Hi Dale, I guess I missed this one two years ago... Very good review / information !! Thank You
I bought a Grizzly mill almost 19 years ago. It’s the biggest mill/drill they had as I needed if right away, and my riggers said that they would have to take the Bridgeport apart to get it in, and I didn’t have time for that. I figured I would replace mine when I had the time, but I never did. I bought the table drive, which is horizontal. I use this a lot. The only problem I had with the drive occurred about five, six years ago. My error! The main, plastic gear at the end of the drive broke teeth-as it should have. Grizzly got me a new gear in three days. Didn’t cost much. Other than that, no problems with it.
Thanks for the info on dro! They are extensive and I don't think I want to make a mistake so I looking around and getting advice hopping to get the right one. Thanks again. Bill
A $100ish dollar remote power feed unit NEW, and you bemoan it! ;) The best option(IMHO as an ex-machine tool/fitter turner) is to buy a vertical milling machine rather than a turret mill, as they generally have integrated power feeds(and rapids). Turret mills are great machines in theory, but not in real life scenarios as they are relatively slow(work cycles), lacking in rigidity(and require regular tramelling). Also, operators are generally loathed to change any of the axis' from perpendicular - its human nature! Turret mills are also significantly higher in price when compared to vertical mills, and more so to universal/horizontal mills with swivelling vertical head attachments, let alone the cost of adding aftermarket power feeds. An anology of the issues with Turret mills, is that they are like Trikes(three wheeled motorcycles), both appearing to be great ideas, but both ultimately being cursed by their impractical compromises. Keep safe and well.
Such a timely video for me! I was just looking for a new power feed thanks for the thorough reviews and insight. great video as always!
Glad it was helpful!
@@BuildSomthingCool Dale ,are you still alive? Its been a long time since you posted any content. Hope your doing OK.
Glad to see you back.
Great video Dale!!! I recently bought a used mill that had a nice older X power feed but am considering additional power feeds for X&Z. After purchasing a 4 axis DRO and a riser block additional powerfeeds wont fit in the budget for a few more months!!!
Save the money and buy the Z axis. I use it more then my Y
@@BuildSomthingCool I totally agree!!! Would be far superior to a cordless impact/adapter driver.
Hi Dale,
Very good review... Thank you.
Take care
Paul,,
Thank you kindly
Great vid, thanks for posting this, great topic for home shop.
Finally, another video! This review/test was just what I needed. The spec is 0-200 RPM but I knew that couldn't be true. I need 0.5 in/min on a horizontal mill. I think I can get away with the 0.9 feed that you measured.
Glad you're back. Good review.
Hey, thanks!
Glad to see you in the saddle again.
Dale? Where'd ya go buddy? You ok?
Enjoyed Dale!
ATB, Robin
Thanks my freind
Nice to see you here Rob.
You are back, great. Greetings from tropical Germany.
Hey, thanks!
Mr. Dale, I have been checking your channel regularly ( I have subscribed already), I hope all is well and I am looking forward to new content from you. Thanks! Steve
Good episode Darryl!
Kinda like tthe project farm channel but for machinists. Good idea. Very useful, as i am looking at this right now. Also looking at building a stepper motor set up for doing this.
Will any of these aftermarket feeds replace a 6f Bridgeport x axis feed? It seems the x axis screw is different between a manual feed and a Bridgeport power feed. Thanks
Nice vídeo, greetings from México
Thanks! what part of the Country?
@@BuildSomthingCool from Queretaro, the center of México : )
Could you check top of the table for flatness? I think dovetail could just wear out in the middle, where it is used the most. It is hard to imagine that so thick pice of cast iron bends...
Great video btw
You are correct he isn't I've had 4 Bridgeport the tables do not sag checked mine with a Precision Starrett straight edge top and bottom they wear out in the middle I have the Bridgeport power feed on a 48 inch table not a 49 inch table Bridgeport table 32, 36, 42, 48 are the correct table sizes for American made Bridgeport and the confusion somebody must have a Chinese Bridgeport if it has 49 inch table
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You can check the top, but its easer to measure the ways. That way your not turning over the table every time you want to check it.
@@plymouth-hl20ton37 T'was my feeling too - lack of sufficient lubrication on the ways. Could also argue user error - always putting things on to machine in the middle of the table - use the ends - wear them a bit too!
Cast iron does bend! I bought a new 6" PMatic jointer a long time ago. The fence had a serious curve. I called their (then) US service and got connected to a tech. He told me to put a 4x4 near each end, curve up, stand in the middle and bounce, slightly harder each time until I felt it give. At some point there was an obvious sudden movement. Checked and the fence was back to straight. Who'd a thunk? It has to do with stresses that occur while cooling. There are ways to remove or reduce those stresses before grinding but it takes time & effort that was in short supply @ PowerMatic and still is in almost all cheap cast machine parts.
30 years ago I got a very old Crescent 16" jointer for $100. DMD, rusty. I took the tables and fence to a grinding service and had them Blanchard ground. I used a precision straight edge to set the machine up and every thing was dead on. Last year I did the check again. The tables had sagged. Each table is supported at 4 places by wedge blocks so flatness can't be controlled but twist can be as well as overall parallelism to the head reference. The support points are not at the magic hit or miss quarter points but not off by terribly far. Yet there is significant sag in what are quite massive cast iron parts. I put my precision level on and it could detect the wave shape. I don't generally get that thing out except to set up CNC machines. It can drive you crazy.
So awesome! I have had a shars one and cheap(er) Chinese import in my ebay cart for some time and just didn’t want to pull the plug quite yet. I’ve been searching around for a used servo, but haven’t found one that is calling my name. This video definitely helped to make a decision. Thank you, keep the awesome videos coming!
Brother, You moved to California and stopped making videos? ☹
So I bought my 1952 Bridgeport (Adcock Shipley) recently.
It has the Bridgeport Power Feed that you depict on the RH end of the X axis table.
When I bought the machine, this power feed isn’t working. Previous owner said it was traversing, slowed down & made a pop sound $ stopped working.
I’ve not been able to figure out what’s wrong with it. Opened control panel on power feed, can’t see anything obvious like a loose or burnt wire or switch etc.
Also opened the control panel on the machine that powers up the X axis power feed, coolant pump, electric motor etc and again nothing obviously wrong in there.
So I’m guessing it’s likely the Erskine controller inside the power box on the side of the machine most likely? 🤷♂️
Anyway I can’t find anyone here downunder that’s capable of diagnosing / fixing the Bridgeport Power Feed, so I bought a AL500 Align brand locally & a 240v Ac to 110v Ac transformer from my local machinery dealer, with the idea of replacing the Bridgeport Power Feed (reluctantly).
My issue is that - when you took that Bridgeport Power Feed, off the end of the table, the arbor shaft that runs through it is about 5 inches longer than the shaft that would be on a non power fed table (or the left hand end of the lead screw for eg? to accomodate the width of the Bridgeport Power Feed gear box.
And the Bridgeport Power Feed, attaches to the RH end of the lead screw under the table with a slip on coupler that has a wood ruff key onto the end of the lead screw and a roll pin through the coupler and arbor shaft that runs through the Bridgeport Power Feed & it’s gear box.
Can I ask please how you were able to attach the after market power feeds to the RH end of the Bridgeport Table?
Did you make a new approx 4 inch shorter arbor shaft and roll pin it inside the coupler, copying the dimensions from the LH end of the lead screw?
Did you buy a pre made shorter arbor shaft?
If so, who from please?
I don’t have a lathe yet, the Bridgeport was my first purchase, so if you made a shaft then I will have to pay an engineering shop to spin me one up in a lathe, but I need to know the exact dimensions of that shaft to be able to get one made.
It’s doing my head in if I’m honest.
I think this is the only thing not working on my Bridgeport mill, and it’s very frustrating not being able to resolve “getting it working” so I can start making chips with it.
Any help / advice about how you managed to adapt these after market power feeds to fit your Bridgeport mill in place of the Bridgeport power feed would be most sincerely appreciated.
If you did make a shaft & still have the dimensions etc, I’d very gladly pay you to make and ship me the same shaft.
Many thanks in advance.
Pleased to see one of your great video's.👍 Missed seeing them.
Hey Dale, good to see ya back. Your beards done the same as mine, gone gray b4 the hair on my head Lol
Very cool info. Why do you have the x axis table movement reading on the Y axis of the DRO? Just curious.
Good Question. I must have plug something wrong when I changing out power drives
Always liked the content here,does this guy still make videos?
Hope you are ok. Been rolling thru the videos. Hope we get more
Keep the videos coming have miss your videos.
Will do!
This video was just in time I need a new power feed for my jet mill been looking for a while trying to decide which one I going to by. Look like a servo 140 or 150.
very good video..thanks for your time
You are welcome
Rapid traverse - it seems the standard unit is inches per minute rather than 10 seconds - so we have to multiply your numbers by 6 to compare. Just a quick Google and I found proper machines achieving 20 "/10s - so that's twice your best - and one doing 100 inches per 10 secs - so understandably, that's a CNC !
Great video with good info, looking for a power feed at the moment so this has been a big help, do you happen to have the dimensions of the extension shaft as im thinking of making my own.
Thank you for this. Very well done.
Very nice set of reviews and opinions 👌 were amazing
Thanks a ton
@@BuildSomthingCool you are very welcome
An update on my al500p. Fried my 3rd armature yesterday. Long slow pulls seems to do it in. Cutting a .025 " slot in a 10 inch long part 20 passes and then it blew my circuit breaker and stopped. Don't know how this company controls the speed but if it is via dc voltage reduction, slow speeds means low voltage and high current. I GUESS that is what does the armature in. Anyone out there with similar experiences ? My next one will be the cheapest as its price is about the same as an armature from Align.
After the 3rd armature died on my align, I decided to replace it with a wing ding on my 6 by 26 knee mill. I was not a direct replacement but close enough. The bolt hole pattern was different enough that I could only use one of the two bolts to hold it to the mill (yes I was too lazy to mill new holes) and I needed to cut the limit switch bracket to fit my mill (tried using the align bracket but the hole pattern for the limit switch boxes are different) $149 from Walmart. We'll see how long it takes for me to fry this one.
3 years and still strong
Great review and information 👍👍
ATB....Dean
Dale, Thanks for the info. I have a Servo on mine and it does work great.
Have you been balancing anything?
Hi Dale, Thanks for the great video. Any chance you could provide some more info on 'pinging' the table to remove the bend. We have a Bridgeport with 42 inch table and it has a curve to the table. If you could do a video on 'pinging' the table that would be great.
could u do a video on how to do a process like milling metal without an actual mill?
Instead of buying the 1000 dollar ones one can almost convert it to cnc with closed loop control
Even if you put a $750 drive on X, Y, and Z you'd be pretty close. The only thing that doesn't factor in is a ball screw conversion, which will set you back a bit more.
@@petergamache5368 using all Chinesium equipment should be able to get the parts under 1000 for one axis, I'm not sure if the rolled ballscrews are good enough though. Most of them don't have an anti-backlash nut at least so there will be like 2 thou backlash
If you go with steppers; you can absolutely go CNC for much less than $1000 USD. Ballscrews will bring that price up quite a bit; though... I’d probably figure $1200 for the whole thing. This is with Chinese parts; Taiwanese, US, or EU parts will be more, of course. There is a version of GRBL that runs on an Arduino Mega and common, cheap 3D printer UI hardware (RAMPS + a character LCD board + keypad) so that you don’t even need a PC on the mill. Some soldering will be required to adapt the RAMPS board to the external stepper drivers.
Very informative video, thank's Dale !!!
Dale, the grey beard decreases your boyish charm :)
Excellent, most useful topic, thanks
I know, its as gray as Mr Petes😁
I really appreciate your effort in comparing the different drives, do they make even smaller ones?
Not that I Know of
I got a Bridgeport power feeder, thing I don't like is have to cut lead screw to install. Any thoughts on that? Got a good deal on it. Seem to not find a screw for it.
Hope you return
Surprised you didn't do a load test, and it shows an important point. I have both a Servo and the $125 unit. The servo has compensation electronics built in, that act as an electronic governor to keep the speed consistent under load....to a point of course. No surprise, the $125 unit does not have compensation electronics, and slows considerably under load (just providing resistance with your hand on the handle).
Thanks Dale.
Great review Dale!
where are you dale ! no updates since this last video
Glad to see you back, what was the cutting finish like under power feed?
Looks great! I could not see any real differences between the feeds
I just ordered a z and a y for my mill. Buying 2 at a time made my decision for me.
I just ordered 2 myself how are yours doing
@@mikefinnegan4621 sold the mill but they were accurate and trouble free when I had them.
Thank yo so much I have been on the table for so long this really helps also you talked about weight can you provide the numbers if possible
140lb or 150lb is fie for the Bridgeport style machines
Thank you
The dove tail will wear with usage , check the top of the table for flatness ...
Hey Dale
Can the Wen Ding be used for the y axis, in its ad it is called out as a x axis machine
Thanks
Ray P
Really great video. Nice work my friend!
Thank you very much!
that style rapid switch gets cast iron in them bad, put a piece of packing tape over it and never have another problem