Plane Almost Crashes Because of a Camera
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2022
- Voyager Flight ZZ333 was transporting 189 passengers and nine crew members to Camp Bastion Airfield, Afghanistan from Brize Norton Airfield. Whilst flying over the Black Sea, the aircraft all of a sudden nose dived. The aircraft dropped 4,440 feet in just 27 seconds. In an investigation, the unbelievable cause of this accident of an A330 MRTT Voyager was revealed.
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Thanks for doing this. The main reason he was discharged was that he supposedly lied to the investigators or at least didn't tell them the full story of what he knew.
I read that, too. I didn't find an official report about this, especially since the charges about a falsified report seemed to have been dropped. Therefore, I didn't put it in the video.
Didn't read that and tha would make a difference
Kudos to the engineers that built that airbus! I think the pilot was made an example of. That way pilots won't be so complacent. Great video number one!
Engineers? Computer nerds, brah. H4|
It was probably both, the Captain definitely made an understandable mistake, however that's why an accident is called an accident... so while his punishment feels somewhat extreme on the surface, if you or I caused a car crash resulting in 30+ injured people then our punishment would likely be even more severe.
Accidents occur when someone isn't paying attention. Ergo, there's no such thing as an accident.
I’m ex UK military and while my opinion may seem at odds with a lot of comments on here, I think discharge was appropriate. All military personnel, regardless of nationality, should set the “Gold standard” for their particular field of endeavour. This captain clearly fell well below that!!
People think the discharge wasn't appropriate? I mean true, boredom is something that can affect all of us and many people will try to alleviate that feeling. But not disciplining him would send the wrong message to the rest of his fellows and peers. This could easily have ended in a much more horrible way and people need to be aware that protocols and procedures need to be adhered to: they exist for a reason.
"he made his way to the cockpit via the ceiling" im dying
My gf is on a business trip so I'm not allowed to watch this until she's back, but just wanted to comment that I'm excited there's a new video again!
wow, my videos have reached "watch-together-status? 😄 incredible, thanks!
@@AirspaceVideos that's when you know you've made it
@@AirspaceVideos and chill
babe wake up, Airspace has just uploaded
I thought it was because she was on a plane 💀💀💀
This is the best channel for this kind of content. Your format is wonderful and the knowledge you bring as an operating pilot elevates the quality. Thanks Airspace!
Thank you so much!
Oh, and thank you so much for your super thanks! I didn't realize it was one, it's apparently not displayed on youtube studio on my smartphone. It's highly appreciated!
@@AirspaceVideos No worries! Keep on man 🙂
I'm glad to know he didn't do jailtime. It seems he would have quickly figured out the connection of moving the seat back and the abrupt decent of his airplane. My guess he was rattled and not thinking properly. What of the 1st officer? Unlike the Captain he did break the rules. Well done, thx.
Glad to see uploads again! Welcome back!
Loving your content! your calm and soothing voice relaxes my 2 month old daughter and your videos keep me entertained. So nice to see your community grow
Thank you so much! :)
Forgetfulness is a very dangerous thing in professions where you are responsible for the safety of so many people.
Love your videos!
He will never think of camera again
Amazing video, best quality animations I've seen and your choices and mixing of background music fitted the mood and pace perfectly! Fascinating accident too, and kudos to the Airbus software engineers who save yet more lives despite the best efforts of the unreliable humans that fly them :D
Thank you very much, I'm glad you liked it :)
@@AirspaceVideos Actually, while I enjoyed the video, the background music makes me use mute and CC. It's not just your channel, as others have done so, I am forced to mute them as I find the background music distracting while listening and paying attention to the speaker. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
@@bikeny there's music in those videos? I only ever hear the narration
@@debug9424 I will say that in this video it's not as loud as others, but listen at 2:20 and you will hear music in addition to his narration. It's one thing to have music during, say, your introduction, but during the presentation, regardless if it's aviation or technology or whatever, a narrative presentation does not require music. As I mentioned to another person in another video, the problem comes from the improper mixing of dialogue and music. Better to just leave it all out (and save yourself the time and effort of putting it in).
I think that the captain should have not been mustard out but do think maybe he should have gone through more training and bumped to the co Pilot position after a no fly period and also should have been told to lecture pilots in training about what happened and how imp it is to focus on all controls and possible control hindering actions one can easily do without thinking about it. That would have been a better use of the Pilot and his skills .
The best professional captain could became an idiot in matter of seconds by any trivial act. I only wish that videos like this one be watched by plane's captains to learn how close they are to do mistakes
Surely a good solution to the issue would be to slightly modify the area surrounding the controls so that it isn’t a good place to put objects down
Thanks again Airspace, a sad mistake & end to a career. Thank goodness the plane didn't crash.
Since he lied I don't feel too bad for him. Wimpy people who still lie past the age of 15 definately do not belong in the cockpit. Lying as an adult exposes character flaws.
When I am boredom in a long flight, I just pick an AM radio station and put it on the ADF receiver. This way i can enjoy a nice music, and keep myself alert.
been there 😋
Just goes to show how important it is to focus on the flight deck when you're taking pictures.
If the captain gets so bored during the flight while alone in the cockpit that he feels this is the best time to practice his hobby, it's time to go.
Very nice video - Torben, Denmark
Thanks I love your videos
thank you!
Personal opinion don’t think they should have court marshaled the guy. Everything he did was still within the rules. Sure unprofessional and yeah it caused a massive screw up. But at the end of the day I believe the pain of retraining or pay/rank downgrade. Something like that is a bit more understandable. Moreover seems like a call for the RAF to edit their guidelines rather than discharge the Captain. Again all my opinions we Americans go about things a bit differently.
Apparently the guy tried to lie about what he did or didn't know when he was being investigated
I know this one! MACI covered it. Looking forward to a new perspective.
As a retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel I saw more severe punishment routinely handled out for much less severe incidents. His poor judgment in flight was exceeded by his lying during the inquiry. Both merit the punishment handed out.
Idiot pilot saved by automatic safety system is quite a reassuring story I think.
02:00 “bored” - means doing his job. That was an expensive way to learn that lesson
Great ! Waiting for you !
Very interesting video! But, at last, they are safe after all those chaos. You explain very clearly, captain!
Thanks!
thank you very much!
Hello. I made a comment about your video on China Eastern a while back. Looks as tho they DID rule it as I said, recoverable and was a pilot commanded dive. Not gonna say the correct term as it will be edited or cut from the channel. Your thoughts and feed back please. Respect on this channel, love the videos.
Sorry, I will not comment on this as long as there is no official statement. Until now, the WSJ article is hearsay to me, although it's well possible that it was suicide.
Had this been a repeat offence then a court martial would seem completely appropriate. Given that he hadn't transgressed any specific regulations and that this was simply human carelessness, I would have thought that an official warning and an entry on his permanent record more appropriate. However, I can see that the risk to so many lives in combination with the actual injuries incurred would have had considerable influence on the outcome of the inquiry.
I agree. The pilot should have been demoted, not discharged. Being from USA, this punishment fits what our military would give the pilot. The RAF went too far.
Just my opinion. Glad the plane did not crash and no one wss killed.
@@patriciaramsey5294 The pilot had lied to the investigators or at least not told them everything about what he knew and what happened. He tried covering it up or just acting like he didn't know what happened. THAT is why he was discharged.
The picture at 2:15 shows the captain was out of his seat while the FO was out of the cockpit. That right there would result in a licence suspension all by itself.
Not out of his seat, just has the seat all the way back on the rails and using a fisheye type zoom
Awesome!!
I think his discharge was appropriate. Safety standards had been breached. This had the potential to go really bad really fast. You don’t lower your guard when lives depend on you, inside the plane and on the ground. Plus the thing you’re entrusted with costs millions of pounds. Plus… if you don’t discipline harshly, the pilot in the next plane might relax his standards much more readily. Thanks, Airspace for another great video!
Nope, I completely disagree. It was a mistake, and all humans make mistakes. If someone's mistake caused an accident or incident, unless the mistake was due to negligence, it should be unpunishable so long as it is correctly reported. Negligence is doing something without caring about the risks, not being unaware of the risks as was the case with this accident. The correct response to this accident would have been to prohibit crews from placing objects near the sidestick and make them aware of the risks of doing so through a safety bulletin, or even implement a technical solution such as a pressure sensor on the front of the armrest which will prevent the seat from moving forward if the armrest collides with something
@@aarondynamics1311 for context, the pilot knew what caused the issue but didn’t report it to the investigators immediately. This resulted in a world wide grounding of the airframe for a number of days.
If he’d been honest immediately he probably would have kept his job.
Seems like an excessive punishment for the captain, but what do I know lol.
He wasn't honest to the investigators
Nice video! I like your videos. A quick tip is to speak more slow or more understandable way. For a Not native English speaker, it is hard to understand some parts with speedy talk.
insane. can't imagine falling 1,5 km in 30 sec.
Thanks
Thank you! :)
To me the main question is to what level foreign objects is allowed at the pilot seat and if so what ability does pilot have to safely store away larger FO? I.e. is this allowed and possible to do safely - but the pilot had an accident. Or is this not allowed, or does the pilot seat lack place to safely store away the camera. Then eh, don’t do weird stuff when you are the only pilot in the cockpit.
…I was told in car driving lessons that inappropriate foreign objects, specifically clogs you can loose and get stuck under the accelerator are “illegal” (I.e. you add unnecessary risks). So by this metric the problem would be placing the foreign object close to control areas.
That said I know many drivers do handle dangerous foreign objects while driving, for example a can of soda (especially before being opened / depressurized), so 100% safety isn’t the norm…
Then it would be of interest what are the actual rules about this in aviation. Food, iPads, books/information etc are commonly near pilots while cruising? So there cannot be a 100% no FO rule. A big DSLR style camera body illegal but would a tiny point-and-shoot be OK? Or would a DSLR be OK if it was put in a more appropriate position? is there any place to safely store away larger objects near the pilot?
And here I am an aviation photographer.
Well that court martial, pour encourager les autres . 👍
Thank god everyone was safe. ❤
That was a mistake bad enough to justify the consequences to the captain.
Courtmartialled,yes correct action.Flying is a serious job,don't mixn business with pleasure
How fast were they diving
I Want to see Tam 402 on this channel.
To me this sounds equivalent to getting bored while driving, and you start steering with your knees while taking selfies or photos of the scenery outside. Then absentmindedly drop your camera to the floor and it gets lodged under the brake pedal. (And then depending on who you believe, lying to the cops about it and blaming the car after you ran yourself into a ditch and injured your passengers).
I do hope the guy managed to get a job with an airline though, afterward. I'd feel safe flying with someone who had learned that lesson. Especially on an Airbus...
That was a fair sentence I think. The captain is ultimately responsible, particularly given it was HIS camera that HE put down.
The punishment seems bit harsh. I hope the former captain managed to get alternaive employment as a pilot.
Which A330 Add-on did you use?
The project megapack A330
Giving a human being being a task to do and then depriving them of any sort of activity and stimulation is the problem. Airlines and the military can't make the cockpit into a policed environment where countless activities are prohibited or frowned upon, it might as well be a prison at that point. There's 100s of other objects that could cause trouble, and asking pilots or techs to be honest in an investigation where they will get dismissed is unrealistic. It's not very constructive, and given the A320 has had many comments about an uncomfortable armrest, maybe it's time to highly radius the front of them to deflect objects a little better.
As someone who has been in the military, I can say that a lot of times commanding officers can greatly overreact in how they punish people. The fact is he was doing something that was not prohibited and no one died. It was an honest mistake that literally anyone could have made. Absolutely destroying the mans life over something that was an honest mistake is completely wrong. The fact that he had a suspended prison sentence is equating this to a felonious action. Take away his privilege's for a while and make him go to retraining something like that would have been perfectly appropriate. It's not like he was grossly negligent and willfully disregarding an established rule.
I disagree. Yes, he was willfully violating a rule. Maintaining cockpit sterility and crew resource management is not a choice, it is a necessity. Leaving stuff laying around the cockpit that can interfere with flight operation is PROHIBITED. The mislaid camera was perhaps a seemingly innocent mistake but one with potentially deadly results. The camera should have been properly secured when not in use.
@@pibbles-a-plenty1105 agree, he should never pilot an aircraft again. Too negligent, no SA, he can just as easily take those pictures on the ground or with the 1st officer in the seat so someone is in the seat... its utter stupidity what he did, he played around with the crews lives.
As a psychologist, I wouldn't want to live in a culture of harsh punishment for it has bad impacts on individual biographies and ultimately safety of society (bc harsh punishment increases relapse rate of prisoners often to name just one). So what is the point of hastily demanding severe punishment? Maybe this pilot was a skillful pilot in all the other missions he flew. Employees don't get rewarded if they follow as instructed but they get sentenced as soon as they do something wrong. Instead the Air Force could ask themselves: "what can we do to stop this from happening and maybe give this person additional training".
a DLSR camera is a large object and placing that object anywhere near to control inputs seems extremely careless.
Not like he INTENTIONALLY crashed his plane like Trevor Jacobs did, for views and $, but still lost his career. Jacobs, who lied shamelessly (and may still be) about everything he did, got only a year suspended license from the FAA, so to him it was probably a small price to pay for the Likes, views, etc. I realize the FAA greatly under penalized Jacobs, plus different countries, civvy vs mil, PPL vs CPL, but this seemed harsh for the RAF pilot, although his and the FO's actions leading up to it were really boneheaded. Some good loss of privileges and re-training seems sufficient, rather than ruining his career (even likely post discharge), UNLESS he truly lied, but that change was dropped. Even lying doesn't seem like a completely fatal offense, esp if he owned up, but I can see how the military would have no tolerance for that. But, if he'd been a colonel's or general's kid...probably less punishment than Jacobs and/or honorable discharge with record scrubbed!
I've seen another channel do this one and I can't remember what I said about it there but I do feel that yes yes it was technically unprofessional but unless you are a literal robot, who isnt gonna screw around a bit on loooooooooonnnnggggggg cruise stages...... it was very unfair although ultimately I can see why the RAF did it and had to do it... it's the military, for crying out loud.... literally it had no other choice and I m sure even the Captain himself over time will see that......
Another case where no tactile cross-connect between Airbus side sticks caused a problem. I refer of course, to Air France flight 447.
The fact that the co-pilot has the ability to lock out the other sidestick and start climbing again whilst the other sidestick was still pushed forward is actually an advantage. A c-130 crashed once because an object jammed the captains yoke and the FO couldn't do anything even though his controls were only jammed because of the connection.
Just look at the recent AF Boeing 777 incident a few weeks ago. Pilots had no idea what the other was doing
I’d heard of this accident, but not the consequences for the crew. I do feel the Captain was treated rather severely, especially if this is was his only mishap.
Mentour Pilot covered a very familiar story today....
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It was unfair. Captain is a human being and human beings are prone to errors everytime they're stuck in routines. Computers are better with routines but less able than a human being to adapt to exceptional situations.
When humans are assisted by automations, then you get the best performances from the ibrid team, at least on long terms.
It's better, not perfect but surely this collaboration is something we can always improve. Punishment doesn't fit in the great scheme on the improvement efforts.
It is a concept that in the military field can be difficult to understand and a strategy that is even harder for them to adopt.
Nice video anyway.
He should not had a court martial, I see this as a human mistake anyone can make
But he also lied to the investigators and didn’t disclose fully what had happened
@@tomstravels520 true, maybe a small court martial then
Do you have a Another UA-cam Channel.
The reel error is actually the side-stick, that does not let the second pilot know that the first pilots side stick is in a full nose down position - this is not the first time that an airbus side-sticks lack of synchronisation has sent an airplane down or made on a near miss ! AirFrance lost one in the atlantic as one pilot pull up and the other did not know this.
Side-sticks that have synchronisation have been made - and they could design it so you could disengage, this function in an emergency - tactile sens is important - and I think airbus should rethink the design - however good it functions normally
Airbus pilots can simply glance across and see exactly what’s happening on the other stick. This has nothing to do with the stick not being connected.
Reminds me of the time Russ Hanneman left his Tres Comas tequila on the keyboard!
It would seem to me highly problematic to set any extraneous object down around the aircraft's flight controls. This should be a point that is stressed in pilot training. On long eventless flights one can understand the tendancies to get distracted. But, it is precisely in that situation that this error occurred. Taking pictures and a bit of conversation nearly brought this plane into a catastrophic nose dive. It reminds me of the Aeroflot flight where the Captain had let his son sit in the pilot seat where the kid inadvertently disengaged part of the autopilot with minor steering maneuvers and the plane started banking over 60 degrees. They soon found themselves in a corkscrew dive with the boy pressed to the seat and his father unable to dislodge him. What may have seemed like an innocuous bit of fun ended up with the Airbus slamming into the siberion forest killing everyone onboard.
Feels mean to say but in aviation a lot of rules are written in blood so..... it was justified to fire him I think. There are far too many examples of a pilot being just a little too careless and killing people as a result.
Like the C-130 which came down in Ramstein, the cover of the pilot's night vision goggles stuck in the yoke.
If you're a driver of a car, you don't take pictures while the car is on cruise control, and then lay the camera down in the floor in front of your gas pedal (similar outcome). Since lives were not lost, and if the captain's record was spotless, he should have just been suspended, and then put back into the pilot's seat. He would have never brought or allowed anyone to bring gadgets into the cockpit again! Ultimately, the airline allowed cameras in the cockpit; whoever wrote that rule should be suspended or fired!
It is not clear to me why the captain and not the first officer was punished.
If the f.o. had been present, the likelihood of discovering that the autopilot was off would have been better, and the f-o. did in fact break the rules.
The captain must also have panicked, because he just assumed the autopilot was on instead of checking. This tendency would be less pronounced, had the f-o. been in his seat.
But I feel some information is missing, because it is incomprehensible how the captain could fail to make the connection between his seat-movements, the camera and the flight stick...
The captain lied to the investigators and/or pretended not to know what happened. If he had been truthful he may have still be kept in
The captain put a lot of lives at risk through a few moments of absent minded boredom. Had the plane not possessed such safety failsafes it could well have become unrecoverable. Shame to lose your career over something like this, but I can't see that the RAF had any alternative.
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This was a silly mistake, but I don’t this it deserves such a severe punishment. Anyone could make it. Human boredom always exists. I’m sure he would never make that mistake again.
It was the lying or not disclosing certain things during the investigation that mainly got him discharged
@@tomstravels520 That’s fair. It’s one thing to make a mistake and another to not own up to it.
too harsh the punishment
It wasn't because he lied to the investigators about what he knew or at least didn't tell them the whole story
plastic analysis to confirm 2 items touched.. didnt know this is even possible.
Your mic seems a little glitchy.
Sounds fine on my end
To err is human ...
Couple very minor nitpicks from former USAF in both England and Turkey:
0:42 It's RAF Brize Norton. "Air force base" is only used by the USAF and then only for bases within the U.S. USAF bases outside the U.S. are just called air bases.
5:36 Incirlik AIr Base is correctly pronounced as if the c is a j, thus Injirlik. Been there.
And at one part it's mentioned that it was flying over the ocean. It was actually flying over either the Black Sea or the Mediterranean Sea.
Love this channel.
Pedantic
@@technowelliebobs4779 Yeah, F-16 engine techs are like that. Close enough is never good enough.
Aren't the Black Sea and Mediterranean oceans?
@@arty7926 Then they would be the Black Ocean and the Mediterranean Ocean. Seas are surrounded mostly by land and may be part of an ocean, but that doesn't apply to either of these.
@@LeeBv9983 Good to know! In German you can say "Meer" for both.
Rediculous!
I think this is one of the best things about Airbus's fly by wire system. I think if something like this happened in a 737 for example that doesn't have these computer limits this could've ended in a massive tragedy as the dive would've been a lot steeper as the plane does exactly what the pilot inputs no matter what even if it's dangerous. so to all of these people saying "fly by wire is bad" or "fly by wire is a safety issue" (Mostly boeing fanboys) should think again as it literally saved this aircraft from a major accident with likely over 100 fatalities.
Harsh but fair. That is not a standard of behaviour I would expect in the RAF.
Seems like a physics fail that any well-meaning person might end up doing. I think the punishment was too harsh.
I feel sorry for the Captain. If the FO was in the cockpit it would have been resolved very quickly and may not even happened at all. He is unlikely to be able to fly commercially as a result of his discharge. Well, maybe for a few dodgy operators in African and SE Asia perhaps.
would you feel sorry for him if this plane crashed? It easily could of.
@@jamesoncurry5224 Yes, I would feel sorry for anyone who loses their life, regardless whether it was a tragic accident, natural causes or any other way.
@@davidjma7226 Firstly why would you not have a pilot in the seat at all times as anything can happen, imagine some mechanical failure happens pinning him away from the stick... this is why theyre required to be in the seat (at least one pilot) at all times.
I think more than 99% of the plane accidents are pilots/crews' fault.
Bad title. Should be- "How an airline captain almost crashed an airplane full of passengers". Six month suspension in order. =PC=
I say it was an honest mistake
Bit of a harsh sentence imo... I can see busting him down a rank or two and requiring some retraining... a court-martial seems like a bit or a waste here.
Thanks as always, well done.
would you want to fly with him as captain? Didn't think so.
The punishment seems appropriate to me. Lots of injuries and it was directly attributable to the Captain's action. It doesn't matter that taking photos was not a prohibited action. Carelessly placing a camera in a location that then causes severe loss of aircraft control is, or should be, a once and done mistake, even without the probable attempt to cover up the action.
In “i.e. to go to the bathroom” you use “i.e”, a Latin abbreviation for •id est•, meaning “that is”, when you should have used “e.g.”, a Latin abbreviation for •exemplis gratia•, meaning “for the sake on an eample”. A pilot’s going to the bathroom, surely, is but one example of a need to leave the cockpit. not the only reason to do so.
Thought I was the only one that noticed that, It's such a common error today that many people never differentiate between them, especially for somebody speaking English as a second/third language.
What other physiological need is there to leave the flight deck, other than going to the bathroom?
@@AirspaceVideos Good point! I didn't recall the physiological modifer.
@@AirspaceVideos Another physiological need, I imagine, would be to stretch the legs, which can’t easily be done within the cockpit, walking to avoid cramps; another, on long-haul flights, would be to lie down in the designated rest area.
@@therealinformalmusic those are not physiological needs, they're preventive actions that can be taken in order to better care for your body, but they're not mandatory. You don't NEED to stretch your legs, although it can be a noce habbit, but you can sleep 12 hours and not do it. Hence, you can choose if and when you do it. On the other hand, you can only choose when to go to the bathroom, but cannot choose IF you need to go.
an 'oops my bad' didn't help those injured, the captain got complacent out of boredom.
Another disadvantage of the side stick.
If this was a boeing without fly by wire It could've ended very very badly. Airbus and it's fly by vire system prevented the dive from going all way as said in the video. And you could accidentally touch the yoke a little bit too much as well so this really isn't unique to the side stick one bit man.
How is the fact that the co-pilot could disable the opposite sidestick and take control a disadvantage. In a Boeing the controls would be locked together even if the other wasn't jammed. The locked controls was a factor in the crash of C-130 the the captains yoke was jammed and the co-pilot couldn't do anything to help
@@tomstravels520 I suspect he's a boeing fanboy man
@@claysonantoons3142 Facts but some Boeing fans can’t comprehend this sadly
Totally wrong what they did to the pilot. But its the normal way these things are done civilian or military. Scapegoat the pilot and management can move along.🤫
The pilot lied to the investigators about what he did and didn't know
Captain should lose his wings. This type of negligence is dangerous, hes fortunate they are all still alive.
Yes, the pilots punishment was justified . His actions endangered everyone. Keep making the avionics "smarter" as well, it saved the day here.
A flight captain alone in the cockpit has to do his work proffesional as demanded. Own input by camera's, smartphones etc. is not proffesional. That he is brought to court marhall is the only right way to do by his superiors, because he didn't think about his duty and responsibility to the other crew and passengers. Big shame for this action and the punishment is just right! Kick him out!
So we copy mini aircraft investigation?
Everyone "copies" of each other. TFC, MACI, Mentour, Airspace, GreenDot etc. The difference is knowing how the actual systems work compared not knowing and just copying what the report says and the graphics used to help explain what happened
Also it was me who gave him this suggestion and Airspace has done videos that came out before Mini ACI did them
There's only a finite number of incidents of note, what else would you expect
@@tomstravels520 exactly.
Human mistake