S&W 432 Ultimate Carry or Ultimate Fail
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- I love to carry my S&W M&P 340 J-frame revolver. I hate to shoot it. I saw the S&W 432/632 UC and put myself on the waiting lists. I got one. I am disappointed. It will have to go back to S&W for repair.
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Unacceptable for a new gun, especially a special run. Thank you for the review.
I have two revolvers at S&W and a third to go back. They’re messing up.
Yep. Last two I've purchased had to go back as well. One, still ain't right.@@HollyrockFarm
I think you’re right about their relocation. I’ve seen way more stories about S&W quality issues since they moved (anecdotally, of course). Unless they relocated a significant number of their experienced workforce when they moved, this sort of thing is to be expected, unfortunately. I’m confident they’ll work it out, but in the meantime I think we’ll continue to see QC issues.
My 432-UC is still marked Springfield, Mass. I wonder if they moved all their more than ten round capacity products to Maryville, TN, and left their revolver production in Mass.
@@HollyrockFarm All revolver production stayed in Springfield.
@@romans6two338 I noticed mine still said Springfield on the side. It looks like that won’t change, for now.
Been bad for 10 years or so.
A few people have made videos of sending their Carry Comps back to Smith as well. Their QC isn't what it used to be.
S&W Quality Control is Failing
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I too recently purchased one of these, thankfully none of your issues have popped up. So far 150 rounds flawlessly ran through it, mixture of 100gr bullet types.
I’m glad yours is good to go. I got impatient and bought another one. This time I got the 632-UC…
I’m acquiring a bunch of reloading equipment. This is going to get interesting…
Just picked one up. Luckily it doesnt have any of the above issues. Now lets see how it shoots.
Hopefully your gun works and shoots great! I’ll have some 32 Mag gel tests up soon.
Have one "on order" from the local independent outlet. Evidently the first run sold out quickly, and they are now coming in a few at a time. Fingers crossed it's "issue" free.
@@woodystemms3799 It seems a lot of guys are happy with their Ultimate Carry revolvers. Hopefully your gun is good to go! S&W got my gun back for warranty repair on 05/03/2024. I want it back...this 32 thing has got me intrigued...I've got some gel tests coming...
I just ordered one despite this bad news on quality control. This looks like the perfect fit for what I need/want.
@@robeppers Even with "issues", there's a warranty, which you don't get with a vintage snub-nose that costs at least twice as much ( if you can find one ).
Same as any other brands lately except a handful. Old is gold as always.
For 800 bucks, they should be ashamed of themselves for letting that out the door. Thanks for the warning
I bought a 632-UC after the 432-UC. I’m just not impressed. My MP340 with all its wear seems better fit. Inspect before you take it home or be ready to part with it while it goes in for repair…
Great video! Thanks for bringing us this information. My 642 UC won't make it through an entire cylinder without at least one failure to fire. The trigger frequently locks to the rear and has to be manually pushed forward to reset. I want my money back.
Based on the comments section, we’re in the minority, but there are more of us with unserviceable guns than there should be.
I would suspect a spring issue.Have you taken those VZ boot grips off and look at the machining of the grips? Something may be rubbing on the spring. Maybe not enough clearance and someone torqued the grip screw down to tight. I would ditch those grips anyway.Boot grips are worthless.
@@williamryan9195 I tried a different brand of ammo - S&B. It worked fine with no issues. The Armscor ammo was the issue I think. You are right about the grips. I need to replace them with something else.
@@williamryan9195 I'm not sure if it was a spring issue or just the timing. The crane would move when the cylinder was supposed to be locked. I like the boot grips for my mission set for the j-frame. I let the mission drive my gear selection rather than my preferences driving matching my gear to the mission (unless it involves the Ruger LCR...they're great but too ugly for me).
I bought a 632-UC and it does not have the same issues as my 432-UC. That reinforces my assessment that the 432-UC should never have left the factory in the condition I received it.
Smith & Wesson has my 432-UC for a warranty repair claim.
I sent my 432-UC back to Smith & Wesson and got impatient waiting for it to return. I bought a 632-UC and it does not have the same issues as my 432-UC. So far, I've got 6 rounds and a bunch of snap cap dry fires through it without issues. I'll make a follow up video on the Ultimate Carry once I have more experience with the 632-UC and get my 432-UC back.
My barrel pin came out at 30 rounds, pin undersized. Call Smith right away as always great customer service. Found parts including small pin, fired five rounds no issue until I tipped on side and pin came out and I lost the spring. Smith customer service is always the best. Had mine an hour and it’s September 2024. Best to you as Smith will make it good.
S&W’s customer service folks were great about getting me a label. The folks finishing the guns were not great about getting them right before sending them back. I think their definition of good to ship and mine are different. I think they’ve cut their QC and now I’m expecting better than they produce.
Your attention to detail has gotten you a new subscriber. Keep up the good work.
Awesome, thank you!
Man sad to hear but glad I came across this. I bought a Model 60 Snubby back about 7 or 8 years ago and it is still a flawless gun. Was thinking of picking one of the UC up but I'll just keep carrying old faithful for now. I'm tired of legacy companies pushing out low tier stuff.
S&W seems to have lowered their standards without lowering their price…and did not mention it in their marketing. It is a disappointment. I hope they return to greatness but am doubtful.
I sent my 432-UC off to Nelson Ford in Phoenix, AZ. Hopefully it comes back awesome!
S&W is great with their customer service. I am sure they will treat you right.
They didn’t give me any troubles with getting a label. If the gun comes back running great, in a reasonable amount of time, all is forgiven…stuff happens.
It's a good concept to have a 6 round small revolver equivalent to 38 Special in power but the quality control also matters. At these prices, there are no excuse for the issues you pointed out. Maybe S&W will get its act together on these as some are returned to the shop for repairs. Thanks for an honest review.
I think they'll get it right. From the burr on my barrel shroud to the timing issue in the cylinder causing the trigger freeze, it may have been assembled by the same person who was having a bad day or just plain careless.
@@HollyrockFarm let us know if S&W fixed the gun to your satisfaction. Warranty service is very important.
I appreciate honest youtubers. My first J frame was purchased about a month before these came out. Do not buy the 351PD (22mag). It's a little over 11 oz empty, very accurate, very pleasant to shoot, but ALL the cases get stuck making it difficult to reload. I don't expect to reload in a gun a fight but I do expect to reload at the range.
Thank you! I’ve got the update coming…maybe as early as today or the next couple of days.
PS. because 22 magnum is not a healed bullet design like 22lr only polish the rear 2/3rds of the cylinder chambers so you do not enlarge the reduced diameter throat of the chamber that supports the bullet.. If you look down the chamber from the back of your 351 you will immediately know what I'm referring to..
I too purchased a 432 which has been returned to the factory. I was experiencing light primer strikes and the handgun had some cosmetic issues. Within two weeks of return the factory service emailed and said the handgun could not be repaired, but would be replaced if that was agreeable. I agreed, and forwarded a copy of an FFL for return shipping. It has now been a little over a month and I have not received the firearm. I reached out to S&W and they said they are waiting on allocation, but did not know when that may occur. Hopefully the matter will eventually be resolved.
That is very troublesome…
Please let me know how it turns out.
A new gun arrived today approximately 5.5 weeks from the return date. Have not shot it yet. @@HollyrockFarm
@@marylyncahn102 Hopefully your new one is flawless!
That is despicable... I got much better customer service and initial quality from Charter arms.
@@HollyrockFarm Just to let you know I had them replace my 432 with a 632. When it came in it had a ding on the cylinder that looked like it was dropped before assembly. I shot the gun on two separate occasions and it has functioned well. I probably have 300 rounds through it without any problems. I have opted to live with the ding on the cylinder since it works and is a carry gun. It will show enough wear in time. Smith obviously is not paying a lot of attention to detail. I hope you get your problems worked out with yours. I do like the handgun and the concept.
I have a 432PD that was bought 30+ years ago. It is a jewel!
I bet you didn’t think you’d have a moon rock on your hands! Picking that up was a good call!
This video has tamed the hype for me. I’ll wait until I can check one out in person. Who knows when that will be.
Thanks for the video
My intent was not to discourage but to give some pause. If it was at a gun store with more than one copy, I would not have accepted the copy I got.
I like the concept enough, I about bought another one while mine is at S&W for repair. What are the chances I get two bad ones?!
A lot of guys have commented that their copies are great.
I picked one up too. I sprayed the ejector rod with cleaner and then added oil. It was better but not ultimate quality. There were still grinding marks on the knurled end of the rod.
No shooting issues though. I did take it apart and clean it. I was impressed with the fitment of the grips and plate/cover. Almost like it was edm cut.
Same day I bought a PC shield plus. Trigger was garbage. SW said it could take 6w or more plus shipping to fix. I took it apart and cleared the grit and polished it. Much better but still disappointing
I bought a 632-UC while my 432-UC was at S&W. I made a new video and now they’re both back at S&W for timing, spitting lead, and light strikes. I really like the concept but the QC on the two I got was unsatisfactory. S&W Ultimate Carry June 2024
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Wow!!! I was highly considering one of these and all the other big channels had glowing reviews. This sounds like a quality control disaster. Since I’ve never owned a J-Frame, I bought a 638 Airweight for $500 and the shop recommended a Wilson combat spring kit which they put in for me. If I take my time it shoots more accurate at 7yd than any gun I’ve ever fired which is absolutely insane to me! I’m not sure how old mine is, but it seems well constructed. This is a huge bummer to hear. I was really planning on picking one of these ultimate carry later on. On paper it has all the features I want. You may have saved me a lot of money and disappointment though. Thanks for sharing. Hopefully they get better.
That was months ago…now, I can say I am suspending purchases of S&W revolvers indefinitely. Mine is not an isolated example…
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In the last couple of years I've bought brand new revolvers from Ruger (SP101 lipseys), Colt (King Cobra), and Kimber (K6S) and all have had to go back to the factory for major issues. I'm beginning to wonder if any of the major manufacturers can make a quality revolver anymore.
I bet the great resignation and the fact revolvers represent such a small portion of their sales means they're not willing or able to invest enough to get QC where it needs to be. Those polymer frame semi-autos are a lot more popular these days and can get away with a lot more slop than a revolver.
Grandaddys model 10 lookin sweet
Thank you! It was originally purchased in 1981!
Thanks for a honest review.
Always!
I’ve had guns from all makers that needed a return to the factory. Things happen. Just send it back and let them make it right.
They’ve had it in their work queue since 05/09/2024. Hopefully it comes back good to go!
Oh no cylinder end shake I was going to buy this. I was just looking at video's before buying it I not going to. Maybe Ruger LCR I am a smith guy shoot.
I think the Ruger LCR is the superior revolver to the j-frame. I recommend them to people that are not as shallow as I am. I think they're so ugly, I've refused to buy one since I fired one and thought the out-of-the-box gun had a better trigger than my j-frame that was worked over by the S&W Performance Center.
I'm not too proud to admit my shortcomings or that I believe my favorite gun is inferior to a competitor...truth.
I got my 432. I have none of the issues as stated in the video.
I’m happy to hear folks get good ones! I got 4/4 revolvers with issues. Hopefully S&W made a change and is putting out good ones!
Nice review. Hopefully, it’s an isolated quality control slip up. I just subscribed and am looking forward to hearing how Smith & Wesson handles this situation…that, in my opinion, is what distinguishes top tier companies from the masses; mistakes happen, it’s how customer support makes things right, that I judge by.
I'm upset that Remington went under. I'd hate to see S&W have problems due to a systemic issue in QC. I also hope my issue is isolated. I'll report back after I get the gun back from S&W. I'm also looking to get my gel test videos out soon. I tested 32 magnum offerings from Buffalo Bore, Hornady, and Federal.
Why do you have resistance closing it?. It's brand new and a little oil would solve that.I would even use a bit of Wilson Combat grease. It is a new and dry revolver. Oil it. Work it in.
There was resistance closing it because it was not fit correctly. Something had to be out of spec. I could feel front and back movement in the crane and cylinder when the cylinder was locked in the firing position. I tried to work it in before making the video and complaining. It was immediately apparent there was something wrong with the gun before I ever started the Form 4473. I would not have continued with the sale if I did not buy the gun from GB. A little grease was not going to correct the issues. I had already cleaned it with Clenzoil CLP.
I sent my 432-UC back to S&W in the beginning of May 2024. I got impatient waiting on it to come home and I really like the concept for the gun. I bought a 632-UC. It does not have the same problems as my 432-UC. I'm going to spend some more time and ammo on the 632-UC and then make another video with it. Plus, I've got to follow up with the 432-UC after S&W returns it. Hopefully it is a good redemption story!
I'm still waiting on my Daniel Defense H9 to come home...almost 3 months now...
@@HollyrockFarm Thanks for the info. My 442 was a little tight out of the box. I did use CLP on the ball detent on the rear of the cylinder and the detent on the ejection rod. It worked in and is now just fine. They really don't fit these little guns as good as they should for the price point. I'm sure there is a little too much pressure to get them out the door from Smith and Wesson to be honest. I would like to see a follow up on it and see if they fixed the issues.
Mine broke after 7 rounds. Front sight was broken out of the box. What a waste
That sucks! It is frustrating to see these QC problems from S&W!
I've had Smiths over the years always thought
they they were the best
Hope it's isolated to this one Good Luck
I've gone thru Smith & Ruger returns
First Rate on both
I just typed the letter to include in the box when I send it back. This is my first negative issue with a S&W. If you make enough of them, your bound to have a bad copy make it out the door. I also hope this is an isolated issue. I saw a video review from a guy with the silver model that also complained of the trigger freezing.
All the markings on the gun except for the S&W trademark on the left side of the frame are rough. They are using a different method than on my other earlier S&W models. It is the kind of engraving that grabs cotton from a swab. Functionally, it is irrelevant. It degrades the finished feel of the gun and is likely cheaper. It makes me wonder if they're cutting corners...
I Have A S&W 442 PC In
.38, I Paid $400 For It &
It's A GREAT Little Pistol...
I love j-frames…when they’re good. I’ve got 2 of 5 guns back from S&W. So far, the two I’ve got back seem ok. The one in the video is back for its third time…
Like you, I’ve carried my 340PD .357 on duty since 02’ in an ankle holster and at times in my field jacket right front pocket reinforced with velcro. I loaded it with mag tech 95 grain .357. which was manageable out of that snubbie. Never a problem. Always reliable. Disappointed to hear the lack of quality in that 432. Unacceptable for a named brand that cost $700+.
I really liked the Buffalo Bore item 19i, a 140 gr solid copper bullet on a light .357 Mag. I ran it in gel a couple of times and always left a positive impression. The only trouble with it is the price. They're very proud of that load and charge as if it were made from gold.
I may have to check out that 95 gr Magtech load.
I did another much longer video after I got the 432-UC back...now my 432-UC and 632-UC are both back at S&W. It is disappointing. They cannot make those wheel guns like the polymer M&P pistols. Those wheel guns need more QC.
My older model S&W .32 H&R mag will do just fine.
I may upgrade the sights…but I’ll not replace the gun.
If they’s offer my M&P 340 just in .327 Fed Mag I’d order one tomorrow.
Those older guns are from a past era that isn’t coming back without custom prices…good call to hang onto the old one!
Picked mine up Friday. Had to dig through 6 to find one that didn’t have a dead ns, or a super gritty trigger, marring where they set the pins, contact between Forcing cone and cyl. One looked like it had been tossed across the floor. These were all from the back, brand new guns from adventure outdoors.
Finally found one that essentially was perfect. Everything checked out.
Took it the range today with 2 other run of the mill J frames. 642 beater and a 639 humpback.
It had nothing but light primer strikes and appeared that one cylinder never touched off a round at all. The light strike has been a well documented problem in the .32 but I figured I was safe going .38. I triple struck all of them just to see. Tried several manufacturers, no reloads, all reputable
Ended up putting all the ammo (even the triple lights strikes) through both the regular 642 and the humpback. Fired off everything and walked out
This “ultimate carry” rollout has been an absolute disaster. Wait times for CS returns are outrageous more than likely from the sheer amount of them coming back to the mother ship.
I went in eyes wide open knowing they were struggling out here and figured I could avoid the problems if I was diligent during selection.
Word of caution if you go this route
I'll have more to follow...but...long story short, I'd stand down on any S&W revolver purchases, indefinitely. I bought 5 in 2024 and all are unacceptable.
Unbelievable! A country that’s making revolvers for about 150 years! It’s no rocket science I would say...
I bought a 632-UC after I got tired of waiting for my 432-UC to come home. My 632-UC does not have the problems I noted on the 432-UC.
I’d suggest being able to physically inspect the gun before you buy it and you can avoid some of those problems. It was readily apparent that my 432-UC was going to have to go back for warranty work before I filled out the Form 4473. I bought it off GB so there was no turning back.
I have the same model. My first box of fifty were S&W longs. I had two times the trigger didn't return to forward and two separate light primer strikes. So you are not alone. I got mine from my FFL. They ordered it for me.
Hopefully yours comes back fully fixed! I was not so lucky…S&W Ultimate Carry June 2024
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I was worried about QC bc of the stories I keep seeing on UA-cam about newer Smith revolvers (from reputable channels). Fortunately, my new Ultimate J Frame has 18 rds of 32 H&R and 6 rounds of .32 SW Long through it with no issues, as well as a little dry fire practice and pocket holster draws. Love the front sight, my under lug is smooth, and trigger is fine and I haven’t had any malfunctions (knock on wood). I posted a Short of my actual first six shots on my channel, as well as an unboxing vid.
Hopefully when I get mine back, it is just as good as yours! I’m glad you got a good one. Hopefully mine is just an outlier!
Smith quality isn't what it was back in the '60s, '70s, and early '80s.
Not even close! I might be breaking up with S&W…ua-cam.com/users/shortsMSh3gak-R6c?si=5Ue0yAgDDTpMu6xw
That’s a bummer. I’ve got a cheap Taurus 856 runs like a champ. Not as nice but it doesn’t freeze up or have issues closing the cylinder. 6 shots of 38 +p too. I got my eyes on the new colt viper prob won’t get it tho
I bought a 632-UC after I got tired of waiting on my 432-UC to come home. My 632-UC does not share the same problems. I’m only 6 rounds and a bunch of snap cap pulls in, but they are night and day different. My 432-UC should never have left the factory.
Revolvers may not be the most modern designs, but they still work as well as they ever did.
Very disappointing when we consider the quality of S&W, but not surprised with any manufacturing these days. I heard how sketchy Colt was with their King Cobras. I waited and got 2 very good ones in 357 and 22 lr. I have several excellent S&W revolvers, including the 431 PD, (my wife's edc). They will make it right, but it should have been right the first time. Thanks for an honest review
I got my 432-UC back…update coming soon!
QC is becoming a big issue with companies like this these days. The question is how do they deal with it?
I got my 432-UC back the other day. Update to follow…
Send it back. S&W is good at customer relations. Looks like a bad one got through.
I plan on sending it in for warranty work. I’ve got one more gel test to video so I can put out the original 3, Buffalo Bore, Federal, and Hornady. Hopefully I can keep it firing!
I really wanted one of these.
Not now.
Thanks for the info
Maybe just wait until you can handle it at the counter before you buy. From the moment I closed the cylinder and it felt like it was binding on something, I knew it was going back to the factory. The trouble is, I bought it "as is" new in box from gunbroker. No passing on it...
That said, I want the gun in a serviceable condition. I've got some gel test videos to post...the 32 Mag has my respect.
Don't judge the firearm from one video.
@@chuckdavis1323 Mr. Davis, I agree. The trouble is, I bought 3 432-UC, a 632-UC, and a 317-3 (all revolvers) this year and all of them have required at least one trip back to S&W for warranty work.
I’d appreciate if you subscribed…
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thank's for sharing. The QC of the new smith's has been pretty hit and miss for sure. I've had badly misaligned sights, scratch marks, and sticky cylinders. The 43c came with an inappropriately weak spring with constant LPS. At least their customer service is responsive. It's like they are using the Keltec business model. Not a good thing to be sure.
I bought 5 revolvers in 2024 and all went back at least once. I sold 3, sent 1 to Nelson Ford in Phoenix, AZ to work on, and one is back at S&W for its second trip. I once held S&W in positive regard…big disappointment.
I like the m&p 340 357 mag hand cannon. I like my 500 mag & model 29 & model 57.
Sounds like you’re a fan of the magnums!
My grandpa got really into 44 mag in his later years. He was really into how he could have soft light loaded 44 Spec fun loads and the heavy magnums when he wanted. He was reloading and liked to work up his own loads.
Good video... Smith & Wesson's been having issues since 2015. I could tell you stories. Just subbed great video
Thanks for the sub! I got my 432-UC back…update coming soon.
Smith & Wesson has arrived here in India with the guns which your honourable grandfather had .
Happy to hear from someone in India! It seems the Smith & Wesson Model 10 revolvers made it around the world! I found if they are in good condition and maintained, they are great guns.
Hey boss when you going to post those 32 H and R ammo test results. Interested in seeing those. Thanks for the good videos
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Wow!!! I was highly considering one of these and all the other big channels had glowing reviews. This sounds like a quality control disaster. Since I’ve never owned a J-Frame, I bought a 638 Airweight for $500 and the shop recommended a Wilson combat spring kit which they put in for me. If I take my time it shoots more accurate at 7yd than any gun I’ve ever fired which is absolutely insane to me! I’m not sure how old mine is, but it seems well constructed. This is a huge bummer to hear. I was really planning on picking one of these ultimate carry later on. On paper it has all the features I want.
My old S&W revolvers are awesome. These new ones…not so much…
I like the idea of the UC but lately I’ve seen a disturbing trend in firearms manufacturing regardless of the manufacturer. I’ve purchased two revolvers in the last 18 months and both have been back for repairs: my Colt Python had a binding cylinder and my Ruger LCRx had a bent spindle. So I wasn’t surprised to hear of your experience. I hope they make it right.
The idea is awesome but execution is substandard…at least to my standard. My older 1980’s, 2011, and 2020 revolvers have been great. The five I bought in 2024 are not even close to the quality of my older guns. I think they lowered their standards; I didn’t lower mine.
Define “boogered up”… we didn’t use that descriptor in technical writing, English 505. Is it bare metal protruding and potentially cutting the operators hand?… or cosmetically defective? or hammered in like a chimp?
Well sir, that is a highly technical term for the metal that was protruding from the side of the barrel shroud that appeared to be from a wayward punch that struck and went sideways instead of staying true on the roll pin. It would not necessarily cut my finger unless I really tried hard at it. It would however catch anything you wiped against the shroud while cleaning it. It was an obvious error the person who made it would have seen and blatantly disregarded for it to leave the factory in such condition.
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I don’t know much. Looking to purchase. Was sold on this, but sure glad I found your review! Looking for more than a 22 but less than a 38, that’s all I know, with easy trigger pull and as less kick as I can. Any recommendations?
The .32/.327 Mag revolvers likely well suite your desire for more than a .22 but less than a .38. If you can find a S&W Ultimate Carry out in the wild and have the opportunity to inspect it before you buy it, it may fit the bill.
If you need the lightweight revolver, the Ruger LCR is a great place to look. Ruger offers it in .327 Federal Magnum. It will shoot .327 Fed Mag, .32 H&R Mag, and .32 S&W Long. The Ruger LCR should have a great trigger out of the box. If it does not, it is wrong and should be sent back to Ruger for repair. I would have bought one long ago but I think they're ugly. That is the only reason I have the S&W instead of the Ruger LCR. Some people complain about the grips being too big and lacking a good front sight. Those can both be changed...and then the price would about match the S&W UC revolvers.
The Ruger SP101 and Taurus 327 are both available in .327 Fed Mag (will chamber cartridges mentioned above) but they are a lot heavier with their steel frames and cylinders. The heavier guns will use some of their weight to mitigate recoil. The downside is they're less pleasant to carry.
Sellier & Bellot makes a good flat point lead bullet for the .32 S&W Long that will give about 13 inches of penetration in gel through heavy clothing and has pleasant recoil. It would be a round that could double for defense and practice at about $0.60 per shot if you were trying to keep it simple.
If you have more questions, I'm happy to help! If I get too technical, I have to apologize, I was a cop that spend a lot of years where the details were very important.
@@HollyrockFarm Thank you for your detailed response. Sounds like I’m on the right track as I started out looking for the Ruger LCR 327 but my local store said I would have to order online and pay transfer fees. The S&W 32 looked perfect but online it was listed at nearly $1200. Since you brought up its issues, sounds like I’m back to the Ruger again. I appreciate your help and your service in the PD. Thanks for your time!
@@TruthIris Happy to help! You can call around and ask about transfer fees. I have no affiliation with them, but Buds Gun Shop has the LCR for a reasonable price and they'll help you with your shipping stuff. If you get one and remember, let me know how it works out!
@@HollyrockFarm Thank you! Much appreciated. Will do.
Okay, so I’m hearing, a Glock 45 is equivalent to 9 mm. Is this true?
Great Review... Honest and Straight Forward! Thanks ';-)
I got my 432-UC back…update coming soon!
Smith and Wesson is not the company that it used to be.
I’m sure inflation, the great resignation, aging demographics, and the political climate has affected us all. Everything changes…except Glock. (The Glock thing was a joke…)
Yep. Same issues with mine. It didn’t start out that way but after a couple hundred rounds I had the same issues except the munged pin at the front of the frame. It’s coming back to me Tuesday after two months in repair. It better be perfect. So disappointed in S&W. Lipseys guys should take a real hard look at what they are doing and knock some heads together over this. Great marketing poor execution. S&W customer service has been good over the course of my issues I just hope it comes back working. I gave up on Ruger because they couldn’t fix an SP 101. Hope I don’t have to do bail on this one. I really want to trust it and like it. Hope yours gets fixed too
I hope you have better luck…but get ready for disappointment if your experience is similar to mine.
I am sending my S&W Governor into Cylinder and Slide to be made as a bigger clone of the Lipsey Ultimate Carry model. With the notable exception of the grip as I use a Hogue 500 S&W recoil absorbing grip and a Bowen Classic Arms lanyard ring screw replacement for the Hogue grip with a lanyard made from a braided 72” piece of leather boot lace.
That sounds great! *I prefer the trough sight in my MP340 with the big dot sight over the windage adjustable rear sight on the Ultimate Carry revolvers.*.
I'd like a Governor but with my experience with S&W in 2024, Smith & Wesson and I are broken up. I've hooked up with Colt and even an ugly Ruger.
That’s unfortunate
Disappointing to say the least. Hopefully they’ll fix it so it becomes my new favorite!
The first bad review I have seen. So you just got a lemon. All manufacturers have problems with revolvers also Taurus and Ruger. And we dont even know if this maybe always was that way because back in the days there was no youtube/internet.
I can attest my MP340 is of much better fit and finish.
I wish it were a lemon. S&W Quality Control is Failing
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I picked up my 642UC last week and had only 1 range trip thus far. Thankfully mine has no issues, including any of those you've pointed out. Sorry you got a bad one. I will say that the "hard to close" cylinder thing isn't actually a thing. It's due to a heavier spring in the rear lockup pin running through the extractor star. Not a bad thing, as it'll help keep the cylinder locked in place. If the cylinder face is scraping on the forcing cone while opening/closing, that's a different matter, but you should be able to tell right off the bat if that's what's going on. All of the other issues suck and need to be fixed by S&W.
I sent it back to S&W. They got it on 05/03/2024. Hopefully they return it running and shooting great. I ran gel tests with 3 different 32 H&R Mag loads and have two more waiting for my gun to come home. The 32 has me intrigued.
I’m glad your copy runs great!
@@HollyrockFarm I absolutely love the .32 H&R. Have 3 revolvers (S&W 16 & 631 and a Ruger Bisley Single Six) and 1 rifle (Marlin 1894 lever action) in the caliber. For the defensive application, however, I went with the .38 version, mainly due to more readily available defense ammo. I may have been wrong though. Guessing you'll love yours when you get it back and its good to go!
I just got mine and shot it. I had issues with the trigger stuck back, cylinder getting stuck inside and the ammo stuck inside the cylinder wheni tried using the ejector rod. Really disappointed in the quality. I should have watched your video first. 😂
My 432-UC is headed back and will hopefully be back June 5th.
I bought a 632-UC and it had been good to go. I’m going to run it a bit more and do an update/review of the guns in general.
I got a Performance Center Model 60, brand new 6-mo ago, put less than 100 rounds in it and the same pin in your barrel shroud worked itself out first day on the range, and all the parts needed to keep the cylinder locked in at the front came out. Had to send it back for repair. I was then, thinking it a fluke, also considering the new 632 for pocket carry, and seeing this makes me wonder how bad this brand has become. The whole reason I went with the brand originally was their reputation, and now I'm not sure.
I’d suggest you set it up so you can inspect before conducting the transfer without costing you money. If you can do that, I’d still say go for it. I really like the .32 Mag chambering. It is probably best enjoyed if you reload.
Smith and Wesson with their Hillary hole and popup "Locked" cartoon flag are worthless. Im done waiting for them to lose these woke features. I'll spend my money on colts, rugers, or kimbers before spending it on a S&W (Stupid and Woke).
I just bought the Hillary hole plugs for the 2 S&W revolvers I own that have them...TK Custom...
S&W has the advantage on light weight alloy guns over Ruger, Colt, Kimber, and Taurus. They may offer them but the feature set is not like the Ultimate Carry configuration.
What is the update since sending it back to get fixed and all the kinks taken care of that you did not like when you first got it?
Well, I sold 3 of the 4 revolvers. One went back 3 times and still was not right. They cannot seem to keep the forcing cones from coming in contact with the cylinder face during the open/close movement of the cylinder. I noticed the carbon would be scraped off part of the forcing cone and marks on the cylinder faces. The bushing between the yoke and cylinder made contact and a wear mark (some worse than others) on all of the frames. My wife soured on them and lost interest in her gun. I was so disgusted I sold 3 and kept one to tinker with. Bottom line, the will function but are not built with enough quality to justify the price or the name S&W. ua-cam.com/video/-EnGh_7_iLg/v-deo.html
I was thinking about ordering one of these. Glad I saw your video. Going to pass.
I'd suggest you handle it first. From the moment I closed the cylinder for the first time and felt how hard it was to close, I knew it was going to go back to S&W. It was obvious. It should not have left the factory.
@@HollyrockFarm Going to wait a while before I order one. Maybe Lipseys will put pressure on S&W to do better QC. Thanks for your review.
I got a $900 s&w poor quality revolver. Never get another penny from me.
S&W had a lot of past great experience points saved up…in 2024 they spent them all and went negative.
Very helpful! Please do an update after they return it to you!
I will!
New modern Smith & Wesson guns are Smith & Wesson in name only, they are manufactured by a different corporation interested in making a profit from the S&W name and not the S&W quality.
I haven’t heard they were outsourcing. I can attest these new revolvers are not being delivered like my older ones.
Be safe.
I Purchased a 632 today. After watching your video, I inspected mine again. I have none of the defects yours does. I agree you should allow S&W the chance to make it right.
Great to hear!
I bought a 632-UC after I got tired of waiting for my 432-UC to come home. My 632-UC does not have the problems I noted on the 432-UC.
It was readily apparent that my 432-UC was going to have to go back for warranty work before I filled out the Form 4473. I bought it off GB so there was no turning back…
I did some gel testing…the 32 Mag has shown some interesting performance…videos to follow.
The cosmetic issues I would hate but could look past. The functional issues with the ejector, the cylinder fitment and the action are inexcusable.
Oh, it gets better…and by better, I mean worse… S&W Quality Control is Failing
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Do you think oiling up that new gun might help with the mechanics?
I already cleaned and lubed it with Clezoil. It was having timing issues. I’ve got several more videos in the saga. If you go to the one with the 32 ammo gel test, you’ll get a rundown.
I bought 5 revolvers from S&W in 2024. They all were unsatisfactory. I think S&W moved the goal posts toward lower quality being acceptable…my goal posts didn’t change…I think they’re now no longer compatible. I had one go three trips and it was still bad.
“… right now it’s going to be the ‘Ultimate go back to Smith and Wesson…’” okay, that’s funny
Until it became the ultimate go back to Smith and Wesson for the third time...updates coming...
Maybe it is a good thing today that I am a California Citizen and can not purchase one! Thank you
California is beautiful…I’d move there in a heartbeat if it were not for the political climate. We were in Palm Springs and got snow on the mountains and the summer desert heat in the same day.
If you want quality, it is my opinion S&W has lowered the standard and you’ll likely be left disappointed.
wow I would like to believe that every SW 432 production would be that sloppy ? thank for the education I will hold off
Either inspect before you buy or setup your transaction so you can refuse without additional cost to you. If you can do that, proceed cautiously.
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Just got a 329pd new out of the box and the barrel wasn't torqued, free spinning..... S&W needs better QC.
That is terrible! Maybe it was the same guy that buggered up my 432-UC barrel shroud…
S&W's new philosophy of "good enough"! They sold me a pair of top of the line 1911s that BOTH had defective magazine releases, then tried to pretend it was a problem they had never heard of!!
Frustrating for sure! My 432-UC should be home this week. We’ll see how they did.
So, they take away a feature that makes the J frame revolver easier to carry i.e. the low profile sights and then they put high profile sites on the gun. I don’t understand.
I haven’t noticed a snagging issue and I pocket carry, ankle carry, and carry OWB.
They could have just put the MP340 XS sight on their j-frames and moved on. I never minded the rear notch.
That said, the new rear sight is slightly slanted forward so as not to be a major snag hazard. I think it was an improvement. Your opinion may differ if your mission requirements are not the same.
WOW! This was brilliant. Get on it Lipsey.
S&W Ultimate Carry June 2024
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Ruger LCR in 327 is your answer.
I have tried it in various calibers with mixed feelings. It feels bulky and the grips just don't work for me.
@@PassivePortfolios hogue g10 piranha worked for me. Best trigger of any j frame size revolver
@@williejamehufff3125 it has a good trigger, even the .22 LR but I just can't get over the bulkiness and grips. It's probably more of a mental block than anything else.
I think the LCR is better than the j-frame. I think the LCR is ugly. I go with the j-frame. It is only a valid argument in a free market where I can be as foolish with my money as I want...and I have to remind myself of that every time I recommend the LCR to someone.
I wish the 432-UC was in 327 Fed Mag...
That factory grip on the LCR does well with recoil but it is super bulky.
My comment was all wrong, left part mostly to preserve the creator's reply. He was 100% right to stop the test.
Apologies to creator, my brain was disconnected.
[Yes, this sample needs a bit if work, but , , , ]. "BUT" says it all.
The trigger freezes. There is no point running accuracy tests from a gun with a trigger that freezes unless you're using a mechanical vice like a Ramsom Rest to eliminate human input. I don't have a Ransom Rest so that is not possible.
The cylinder has excessive play. If there is excessive movement in the cylinder while it is locked in the firing position it can negatively effect the group size. I could feel the crane moving while the cylinder was locked in the firing position.
How did my 432-UC shoot? Poorly. It did not function well and that led to an overall poor shooting and accuracy experience. I have no interest in beating S&W up on accuracy when the accuracy results would be from a malfunctioning gun.
My S&W 432-UC has been with Smith & Wesson since the beginning of May. Hopefully when it comes back it is good to go.
I bought a 632-UC because I got impatient waiting on the 432-UC to come home. It seems to work better. I have not gotten around to making a video about it but it is in the works.
If you're disappointed, leave constructive criticism. Ask questions that I can answer in the comments or with future content. Merely stating you're disappointed accomplishes nothing. I'm working to get better at this so I welcome constructive criticism.
@@HollyrockFarmMy apologies and thanks for reminding me to have brain engaged BEFORE writing. Edited my comment. You did as good as you could with what you had.
@@JimKittell6486 Thank you for being civil! No worries. I'll try and get you a review of the gun. I cannot promise a time frame. I'm still working on getting my .32 H&R Mag gel tests out. My limited video editing experience is frustrating. I know what I want to produce...I'm having growing pains. I'll get there.
Earned a like and sub here! Appreciate the heads up.
Thank you! There is a lot more to the S&W saga.
The new production guns are just not built as well as the older ones based on my experiences. My experience with S&W in 2024 is much worse than my prior experiences in 2020, 2011, and 2005. I had nothing but great experiences with their guns until these 5 revolvers I bought in 2024. They used up all the good will credit they had built up and are now in the red.
Inspect thoroughly to your satisfaction…I caution against buying online (like I did). I could have refused and paid more shipping costs and “restocking” fees. I counted on S&W making them right. Our definitions of right are no longer the same.
I WAS going to buy one but quality control issues like this took my away my desire.
I like S&W revolvers. Their issues are disappointing to say the least. I hope they get it together!
I don’t think smith & Wesson moved their revolver production to Tennessee.
They didn’t. Their QC has lost their minds like that were part of the move and lost their box of tools! I’m running 0 wins and 3 losses on new S&W revolvers in 2024. 2 are at S&W now. The third, my 317, I’m calling to get a return label today.
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This should'nt happen bad quality control almost every thing you buy now has an issue
Yeah…both my Daniel H9 and this SW 432-UC!
Thanks for a very important warning video!
My experience with S&W in 2024 is much worse than my prior experiences in 2020, 2011, and 2005. I had nothing but great experiences with their guns until these 5 revolvers I bought in 2024. They used up all the good will credit they had built up and are now in the red.
Inspect thoroughly…I caution against buying online (like I did). I could have refused and paid more shipping costs and “restocking” fees. I counted on S&W making them right. Our definitions of right are no longer the same.
Sadly like most everything else these days S&W is no exception to a downgrade in quality
It is frustrating. I got my 432-UC back. Update will come soon!
Smith just doesn't build quality guns anymore
From my comments section, you might het a good one…you might get one with a freely rotating barrel. It seems like QC at S&W might need to be strengthened.
which one is the one on the bottom right?
S&W Performance Center Model 19 Carry Comp 3”
I got it in 2020 for Father’s Day.
Oh I know, I have many old Smiths.
Having spent decades in Quality Control, it's disappointing to see even one gun make a bad impression by a quality failure. One gun, or one anything, is not enough to make a solid claim about the quality of production.
I agree on the singular example not being an indicator of a systemic problem…but…I just picked up my fourth S&W revolver for 2024…the cylinder face makes contact with the forcing cone. I’ve not shot it yet. I’m not going to bother and try before sending it back.
It pains me to see S&W doing this to itself.
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4/4 revolvers from S&W in 2024 has been a failure. S&W Quality Control is Failing
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I hope they get it together!
My last 3 smiths have had to go back.
That is discouraging. I bought a 632-UC after I got tired of waiting on the 432-UC to come back from S&W. It does not have the same issues. So far, I’m pleased with it. I only have 6 rounds through it and a bunch of pulls with a snap caps. Time will tell…
your audio on this video is a fail
Agreed. I never expected it go get as big as it did. I'm since upgraded from just the iPhone mic to some Rode units.
S&W quality went out the window years ago.
Check out some of my other videos…it is sad… S&W Quality Control is Failing
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Such a disappointment
Agreed. Disappointing to say the least...
Thanks but I will stick with my 340PD
A fine choice!
I've had a brand new 586 classic with them for 5 weeks now for multiple quality problems. For a premium gun it did not get premium effort is all I will say.
I have quite a few older S&W police trade ins. No mechanical or reliability issues and they are accurate. Quality control meant something back in those days.
I'm sure the folks assembling the guns now are not the same ones who were putting them out from the 60's to the 90's. Just like the Colt Python will never be the same, this generation of guns is not the same as those when they were blued and hand fitted. If there are any guys left from the times when revolvers filled the police holsters, I bet they're in the Performance Center or the custom shops.
Maybe they pulled the guy who built your gun and put him on the 432-UC line and he built mine! Lets hope it is not a systemic issue and is isolated. I don't want any of our gun companies to do poorly. I want them all to do well!
Everybody lets out a turd once in awhile. I had to send back an mr73 because of finish issues and that gun cost over $5,000.
That being said I'd like to make the point that these snub nose revolvers are great little guns but they should be purely back up guns and never relied upon as a main weapon.
I have nothing against them. I have like five snubbies. The problem is obviously the power and capacity. I have seen at least a dozen innocent people lose a firefight they only had a j frame. They got mowed down and it was ugly. Every time.
Gunfights are in the open division…
I usually carry my P365, CZ P-10C, or CZ Custom A-01C, all with optics and a spare mag.
Sometimes I roll with a j-frame…sometimes up to a PDW, trauma kit, and set of cuffs…depends on my threat assessment and what my back will tolerate. Sometimes my back is not going to tolerate something AIWB…enter the j-frame until I’m done with the muscle relaxers. Some say I have a screw loose…j-frame pocket carry in athletic shorts around the house…
I just bought a 632-UC to deal with my separation anxiety from the 432-UC. Hopefully it does not have any of the same issues!
@@HollyrockFarm that CZ p10c really is impressive.
@@hankwilliams-hx9ww I like it a lot better with the Apex trigger. My other CZ and my CZC made me realize I like the rolling break.
Sad…this is why I don’t buy without being able to inspect first.
That is a good practice!
If you don’t mind my asking, what ammo did you carry? On the 340
I like the Buffalo Bore item 19i. It has consistently expanded and gone around 16" in organic ballistics gel and clear ballistics gel through both bare and heavy clothing. I used this loading exclusively when I carried my MP340 on duty. They are loaded more like a "38 +P++" than a full .357 Magnum load.
If trying to run something less "spicy", the Underwood 38 Special rounds, either standard pressure or +P, come in at 12-13" of penetration in clear ballistics gel with both heavy clothing or bare gel.
I use those depending on availability. I've only got 5 of the Buffalo Bore cartridges left. I need to order more. They're very expensive.
S&W and Lipsey Sales, Marketing, Product Management a-holes probably having too many big meals and bar tabs on the “company dime”. Anyone in the business of producing quality products in a mass market know exactly what my point is.✌️
S&W ain't what it used to be.
Nope…I’m really disappointed. I hope they get it together!