I definitely enjoyed Black Widow, but yes, if it had come out 7 months after Civil War(instead of 7 years), I think it would have been much more impactful to the overall MCU.
Agreed this should've come out around when Black Panther or spiderman did. Hard to care about Black Widow when we all know what she did has no real consequence on her when we all know she's in Infinity War and dies in Endgame.
If only it came out instead of captain marvel that would have been fine but the MCU was too focused on trying to make Carol their poster girl when no one actually cared about her.
the more i hear abt budapest references the more I want to see firsthand, what natasha and clint do back then and there. its always "back in Budapest" and "this is nothing like Budapest" that triggered me. i hope hawkeye's disney+ series will dive deeper into that story
Yep it should've come out in 2013/2014 followed by this one released in 2016/17. Nack then I would have prefered seeing original Avengers get expanded on in their own movies, instead of new characters getting a bland movie like Ant-man and even doctor strange. We really didn't need an ant-man movie. Let alone 2. Just putting him in a few movies as a side character and quickly explaining the subatomic stuff for Endgame would've been enough. I like doctor strange, but i feel like it would've been mch better if we saw him showing up randomly in some stories like Ragnarok to make him some STRANGE dude on the side, guarding the earth, and only later reveal the mysteries surronding him in a movie with Wanda.
thats the issue Black Widow has no standalone or duo movies Thor and Hulk have one's Iron Man and Cap have 3 the Budapest mission should have been Hawkeye and her. You think Renner would say no, of course, he wouldn't. It's a shame for being one of the main avengers or original ones her and hawkeye got cucked hard and this just shows it
When he said “Obama was president back then.” it made me realize just how long ago Civil War was. I feel like sometimes I forget because of how much Marvel content we get. My god. Get me out of here.
Since they announced this movie I ALWAYS thought a much better plot would’ve been a 3/4 or even just half of the movie about that Mission Black Widow and Hawkeye keep talking about and then in the final act of the movie, the focus goes to Jeremy Reiner (Hawkeye) and he has to finish loose ends or something. Like, imagine how cool it would’ve been if this story was the kind that has constantly flashbacks to the point where they occupy a chunk of the story. It could’ve been focused on both of the characters but the true protagonist being Haweye and he would relive his memories of BW. Hell, “Ant-Man and the Wasp” is a thing. Just call it “Black Widow and Haweye” and BOOM! Two characters that needed their own movies now have their movie
Some one else already mention this, but it would’ve ruined the tone of that scene leading up to her death. And with that being said, that emotional moment of Yelena paying respect to Natasha’s grave was ruined by Elaine’s comedic introduction into the mcu.
I think he was a bit too pessimistic at the end. Eternals is coming out soon, and there's that Skrull plotline that was teased at the end of Spiderman. There's alot more to the future of the MCU than Black Widow and Winter Soldier type characters
@@DylanMadd I don’t know about this man. I can eternals probably being forgettable to general audiences. But I have hope because I’ve read eternals and I’ve actually really fell in love with it. But all I can hope for next is the X-Men
@@rigobertorosenbaum9838 Guardians was similar before it came out. I’m also not certain it can work again (JGunn has a unique voice/style). It occurred to me when I thought about phases 1-3 and how great it was and nostalgic I already am for that era. And they could continue to bring those characters back (at great expense) and building on those storylines. OR, they could bring in new characters forever (with Eternals, XMen, F4 & more multiverse/cosmic stories) and never mention Cap or Stark ever again. There’s so much room and so many characters still it seems they can go on and on forever. I love it. Wish DC could do something similar.
I wasn’t expecting this, but I actually really liked Black Widow. It was not worth the wait and all that, but it was very good in my eyes. Just my opinion tho
All I expected from this movie wasa super hero beat up a villain and I'm not disappointed. Thats probably also how I enjoyed captain marvel cause my expectations are astronomically low lmao
I liked it but it was a bit too late so it made me kinda made ngl. we already know the end of her story so this movie is just an introduction for the new characters. still it doesn't deserve the 6.8 rating on IMDB.
Task masters got more character development in his side quests in Spider-Man PS4 than this movie tbh… Just feels like a missed opportunity and I really feel like Marvel has been producing more content since endgame just for the hell of it and lack the passion and creativity of the movies that came before it.
They didn't ruin Taskmaster. This takes place 7 years before Endgame. That's a lot of time for the villain to evolve into the Taskmaster we know from other media. This one is basically just explaining the origin of Taskmaster, which is cool, and not killing them off makes me believe we will see them back in the future. Either as a hired mercenary or just an antihero. Don't give up on a character we will probably see again in the future. Hell, Abomination is in She-Hulk and Shang-Chi, the MCU doesn't forget characters that aren't dead, especially if they can add to the story in the future. Taskmaster showing up in a Captain America movie would be a great way to show how Sam can surpass Steve Rogers in some ways by showing him beat Taskmaster who is fighting the same as Steve Roger's (sans super-strength, of course).
@@Lampboi-jp6dt But this Taskmaster was terrible and nothing like the comic book version so why would we even want to see more? The actual Taskmaster is way more fun, he's a cocky jerk who basically fanboys over the moves he copies from people while also being incredibly badass. I doubt she'll appear again honestly, unless they just retcon her and say "Oh no actually the REAL Taskmaster is this dude"
@@Lampboi-jp6dt Being blown up by black widow is a nice origin, but you have to admit the movie doesn’t seem to care much for the character until the last minute. This all felt like a knock off Captain America: winter soldier. In that movie, the set up between Steve and WS was done way better. That movie both shows and tells us and the protagonist why they need to take the winter soldier as a serious threat. All the info dump for Taskmaster happens at the very end and it doesn’t leave as big of an impact like Captain America’s movie did.
@@mrcheesemunch MCU isn't in the same universe, so why expect the same? Marvel doesn't want comic book fans to guess everything correctly either, would ruin all the fun for normies. There's plenty of time to develop them into a cocky (or whatever) character, now that they have their humanity back
@@palody_en-ja Then why do they make incredibly predictable movies? I haven't read any of these comics and nothing in this movie surprised me at all, like it was pretty damn obvious they weren't going to leave Black Widow a child killer meaning the kid would be relevant later and oh, shocking, she's Taskmaster.
Am I the only one still with mix feelings about what happened almost at the end with Natasha being left alone waiting for Ross to get her, the camera cuts and then we find her with her friend in Norway (?) I guess. It feels like they ran out of ideas of how to make her escape that situation and simply move on. Who thought that was a good idea??
I liked it, personally. I liked that it wasn't setting up twelve future movies, but was just doing its own thing and exploring a few new facets of Natasha.
Same. As a stand-alone movie, it's really good. But, when you compare it to other Marvel movies and see what it _could've_ been, it's not as great. It mostly depends on your perspective, I guess.
You can blame Disney for being so hesitant on creating a female solo action movie. Fans have loved Black Widow since Iron Man 2. Her solo flick should have been the first, NOT Captain Marvel. ScarJo herself is also way more likable than Brie Larson. She has no political agenda; in fact, she despises social media. I'll bet you anything they did hesitate because she wouldn't promote their uber SJW mentality the way Brie did.
@@nahor88 honestly, I think Captain Marvel was a better movie than this one. Black Widow is cool, but outside of the Cap movies and Endgame, ScarJo always seemed like a weirdly written character, and it was made even more obvious in this movie. I'm not saying a Black Widow movie couldn't work, but they didn't lean hard enough into the Mission Impossible aspect. They tried to make it more of a superhero movie than the abilities of the character could justify. Up until the last act of the movie, I could believe that Widow could actually pull off the action being shown. The final set piece was completely different. Being more invested in the side characters (especially Yelena) only adds to that. The Taskmaster plot was fun, and every time they showed up I loved seeing how they fought (though I've always loved the Taskmaster character, and I hope they bring out the actual skull mask if/when we see them again). I think the movie would've felt more than a 6/10 for me if they would've kept the stakes lower, like a Civil War style end scene, where it's only a couple characters, and nothing crazy going on in the background. Civil War's end scene resonates so hard for me because 1) obviously the conflict between Cap and Tony, but also 2) there isn't anything else happening. No world ending event or destruction, just 2 best friends fighting for keeps because 1 wants to save his other friend. Hindsight is 20/20, and there are choices I would never have made that I actually enjoyed quite a bit, but this movie feels like it was made before Civil War, and not just because it takes place there.
@@nahor88 well I wouldn't blame Disney I would blame the old head of marvel studios he said that female leads would not make money but now we have Kevin feige who is not a sexist and racist
After watching the movie, gotta agree with the “not against Marvel doing more grounded stories, but they aren’t doing it good enough for me to care.” I genuinely found it hard to attach myself to this movie because the story isn’t interesting to me. I’m not the biggest spy movie fan, so that might be a part into it. The two villains aren’t interesting either, one of which is just a let down. And the action in this movie didn’t feel special, no fight scene necessarily stood out to me.
I watched it today and I honestly loved it, it was just a light hearted throwaway action filled movie that had me at the edge of my seat and I loved every second of it.
Hah! No. No development of who Natasha was, really, a shame considering SJ's character was always treated as filler. Nothing for the Communist Captain (the Crimson Dynamo :P) explaining how the hell he fits in a timeline so, so different from the comics (where he *does* fight Captain America). Also, the Crimson Dynamo dig... Really? So... They point at comics (Iron Man Cold War era villain) and that's, like... All? And Taskmaster didn't get any cool scene. Could've taken on all four of 'em, anyway. This felt like a rushed interludium for the damn Disney+ series that came out too late. If it had came out earlier... What would it have brought, if not even that? People criticise Ant-Man and the Wasp a lot (I think it was actually qyite good, albeit forgettable, but so are most marvel movies) but this... This would've been below Thor The Dark World.
@@jotabeas22 I mean, we know there were more super-powered soldiers while Rogers was still an icicle. I just assumed his story about fighting Cap was a nod to that
@@emicadena2105 indeed. "Natasha, daughter of Ivan". I like the callback to Dreyghov's daughter...it comes straight from her interrogation of Loki in The Avengers on the helicarrier, when Loki tries to goad her by bringing up this incident that he made Clint reveal to him.
Everyone memeing the "Taskmaster got more character development in Spider-Man's PS4" is cute, but not true. Taskmaster had more personality, but they have equal character development, which is basically none at all.
I really enjoyed it, I think they did a great work with character development, and dialogue was fantastic, I think the biggest fault is in the villan because he wasn't too dangerous or didn't really did it for me, but I loved it even with that :)
Pls, Marvel had no idea what the power level is. Loki beat *Cap* and able to withstand being mauled by Hulk, yet Jane Foster was able to make him flinch with a slap and he got his ass beaten up by a human in his own show.
They didn’t make a movie about the Budapest mission because then they would have to write a plot that lives up to the energy they set it up to be, it’s like the end of game of thrones, they’re never gonna write something cool enough.
I agree with most of what you said, especially about the timeline being disappointed and feeling too little too late, but i gotta say, as a woman, it was genually the first time ever that i saw women being well-written in a marvel movie, with actual theme that are intimately linked to the experience of being a woman. Because it's so rare, to me, it made me forgive a lot a the weaker parts of the movie. Some scenes just hit right in the guts, like when the villain casually mentions little girls being the most expandable resources of the planet. Now, you made me realize that this movie did not really made me care that much more for natasha, she's not a character i ever really connected to before. I mean, I wasn't supposed to, she always was just a vehicle for male fantasies. Anyway, I see a lot of criticism for this movie from men and I wonder if it's just because they kind of miss the main message? I don't think the rest of the plot was really supposed to matter, it's all about sisterhood. Idk, maybe I see too much into it, and like I said, I do agree with the criticism, just think there's something else to get from it.
Did you like how Marvel turned an evil, involuntary hysterectomy into a period-type joke to gross out Alexei? Black Widow is about sisterhood, but the execution is very flawed. Early on, Nat wants to save the Widow on the smoke stack, who is already established to be capable killer that's under mind control (which requires an antidote). It was very weird that Natasha tried to save her, while the Widow was still trying to kill her. Did she actually think she could reason with someone under Mind Control when an Antidote is required? I didn't like how the Widows were freed and Natasha just gives them a cheesy pep talk (be free, my little birds!) while the Citadel was catastrophically sinking. The resolution with the Widows should've happened at the end, in the prologue, and we should've seen the full range of different emotional reactions from the women (from crying, to shock, to confusion, to anger, etc) for the years of abuse by the Red Room. Instead, we got a cheesey Disney/Marvel happy ending. The sisterhood theme feels like it was just stapled onto the story as a corporate bullet point, not a real storytelling goal.
This was a reply to someone else’s comment but I want more people to read this: at the beginning they set it up like the whole movie is a genre swap from the original MCU films, it’s dark, depressing, with some serious undertones but then half way through it’s like nvm this is just a marvel movie again. The Disney + shows are a great example of marvel trying new things with the tones and genres of what they produce and it would make sense for this to have come out right before wandavision to “warmup the audience” and have them adjust to the new direction they want to take marvel (don’t forget doctor strange 2 is supposed to be a full on horror flic) but with it releasing now and not years ago it’s just a bad placement of what could have been a pretty good movie.
This movie takes place between INFINITY WARS & END GAME.. It fits the timeline perfectly if you pay attention to the last few AVENGERS films. The end of this movie flows directly into the events of END GAME.
Black Widow. The one character perfect for a character rich small story of a James Bond esque spy thriller. Instead we got Black Widow surfing down debris of a sky fortress like Legolas in the Hobbit. Ever since Iron Man 2 I was praying for a Black Widow movie. A decade later, there is still not a Black Widow movie. Just a checkmark in the "Missed Potential" column for MCU on this one.
I personally think this movie deserves a bit more credit. It had competent and inferred messages, some great action set pieces, cool characters and had well timed comedy rather than the past movies just cracking a joke at every corner. Its not perfect, but I'm happy with the more darker, riskier movies breaking the classic formula. This is how Captain Marvel should have been approached imo.
It's to set up her sister as the next black widow. That's the point of the movie. It's so when this character shows up in the next avengers, people aren't sitting in theaters saying "wait, who the fuck is this broad?"
I really liked it, for the same reason you like fast and furious. It’s fast and furious with badass women beating people up and I love that. I’m here for it all day.
I found it funny that when the Red Room crashed I'm assuming somewhere in rural Russia, the first authorities to respond were Americans lol. I was totally expecting Russian authorities and it caught me off guard.
I walked in to this movie for some reason expecting it to take place in like 2005 or something, before Iron Man 2, like an origin so when it started in 1995 then cut to 21 years later I sat there like "am I missing something?"
I am the angriest at the fucking scene with nat's headstone, that should've been her proper send off, and was taken over by a joke and a hawkeye show teaser
After avengers there should’ve been a black widow where we see her back story and maybe a of red guardian mission. And it is the hawk eye and black widow Budapest mission. Then this movie stays almost identical and fix up some loose ends and throw in some call backs this would be an amazing sequel. And the taskmaster would make more sense. Then when we see red guardian grow it would mean much more. The endgame fight between Natasha and hawk eye would have more weight. When we see the blonde girl, could’ve been a reveal. If this had been a sequel to the Budapest mission. And had the back story in that, the red guardian and mother reunion, just like everything else would be a lot better. This movie might have been really really good.
There’s a very simple explanation for why they chose to do a story settling scores from a much more interesting story, with her sister being the only character with any interesting development. It’s just a commercial for the new hot chick that scissors henchmen to death.
I can't believe this movie wasn't even near as compelling as Civil War, which came out 5 Years Ago! Even Natasha herself was characterized waaaay better in civil war than in this movie. It's really strange, i felt the same thing when i watched The New Mutants, like i saw a movie of 2016 5 years later
Black Widow feels like a movie Marvel never wanted to make but they felt pressured to by fans so they quickly scraped something together off the bottom of their shoe and threw it on the big screen. there's still enough in it (yelena) for me to rewatch but i won't argue against anyone saying it did the absolute bare minimum.
I feel like I could have made this movie much better by changing when this movie takes place. This movie should have taken place between the first Budapest mission. After the start of Endgame and then after Endgame itself. Have the movie cut between these three times to have a connected plot where we see Black Widow go and destroy the first Red Room. After Thanos snaps Black Widow finds out about the reemergence of the Red Room and it culminates with her fighting her sister and freeing her, but the leader of the red room gets away. Instead of the plot of killing the little girl have Black Widows guilt come from being able to go back and save her sister but choosing not to. Then have after Endgame be about Black Widows sister taking up the mantle and finally bringing down the red room and finishing what Natasha started.
Taskmaster is one of my favorite characters in Marvel ever. Ever since his appearance in that one Spider-Man episode with Deadpool (another one of my favorites) I loved him. He was just so cool. Then they turned him into a silent type terminator who is given tech for his ability instead of him actually having the skill that made him so fearsome. Making him a bland side antagonist. Then showed he was the daughter. Which was bad for two reasons, just shut down the “oh my god how is black widow going to deal with the fact she killed a child” and also because of how jarring it was. Jarring because it’s so god damned obvious that a man is under there. A man who is a completely different build and moves in such a obvious way. If they wanted taskmaster to be a boring daughter then at least make the stunt person a woman. It’s an insult to make it a man. Nonetheless I still got all giddy when I saw him copy moves from different characters. And I got all giddy when I saw that awesome costume. My favorite costume design in the mcu.
i think the movie was fine. not the worst MCU movie by far. most of the characters were likeable. the plot was okay and it never felt like things were dragging. the stakes were low and obviously this movie should've come out like 6 years ago but it is what it is. i still liked to learn about black widow's backstory and meet her "family." i also think the movie did a pretty good job of letting us get to know Yelena, who will presumably take up the mantle in future MCU movies.
as bland as this was, seeing Julia Louise Dreyfuss show up was kinda satisfying. made it feel like watching FATWS was kinda worth it to see the overarching tie ins. but yeah this movie is 6 years too late
When Yelena visits Natasha's grave, that should've been a great moment to give her a proper send-off. What do we get? Valentina blows her nose ridiculously loud and complains about allergies. We got a dumb joke and a teaser for the D+ Hawkeye show. Lol
i think the movie was just centered around What Black Widow did with the other characters. she made Red Guardian humble and more compassionate. For Yelena an excellent way to introduce a character and give us a reason to like her which i think it did well. i agree it dosent add much to a giant overall story but we know how black widow ends so does it need to? I see it as farewell to black widow, a redemptive story for crazy Russians to have a heart, and a newly invested interest in a cool likeable stylish character. which i would count as a successful movie. 7.5/10
Marvel pulled all of its punches on the human trafficking storyline. They dipped their toe in some serious subject matter, but quickly retreated back to their action comedy, family friendly, campy storytelling. There weren't any really great scenes. Many were corny. Marvel even turned horrific hysterectomies (forced female sterilization) into a cheap Disney punchline.
4:50 ok i felt this so hard I was just waiting for him during that fight to go “did I ever tell you how I beat captain America” and do some dumb shit then shove taskmaster out the window that was right there and yeah it woulda been cheesy but it woulda been some sort of payoff for something they set up so much
For all we know this movie could've been written 5 years ago and was shelved until they saw the success of other female lead superhero films like Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel.
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I think they waited way too long to pull the trigger on this movie, even pre-COVID. This should’ve come out before Endgame for the sake of Black Widow’s story.
@@RottingDragon we all know why there were no female led marvel movies before like 2019 but it just feels like this should’ve been out a while ago. after the ambition of infinity war/endgame and the disney plus shows, it really seemed like marvel was going in a new, more complex direction, so for this to come out after all that is just a lil meh.
@@KanyeT1306 He's also the reason why it took so long to get solo Black Widow movie. He might have done a lot to get the MCU to where it is, but he's also the reason it was held back in many ways.
This movie had a super inconsistent tone. The intro sequence with the separation of the family is honestly one of the darkest intros in the entire MCU. But fast forward 21 years when the family finally reunites, and everyone primarily communicates via quips/jokes. The whole movie just felt... weird.
Elaine’s awful comedic introduction at Natasha’s grave is the fucking worst. I’m about ready to cry over her sister coming to pay respects and then I hear someone blowing their nose multiple times, like the disrespect here vs Tony’s funeral is infuriating
The intro actually showed lots of potential - even the plane chase is actually really tense and the Idea of kids being used as cover during a dangerous spy mission and pretty much being shelves for later use when it's done was just so heartbreaking. And there are a few shades of that later in the movie - the villain is actually pretty terrifying, not so much as an evil mastermind, but as a serial abuser - and I don't think it's a coincidence that he kinda looks like Harvey Weinstein. But there is a ton of formulaic action, like when Natasha and Yelena meet and thus they "have" to fight to establish their fighting styles, even though in that moment they supposedly both know they're on the same side. Then Right after we have the red room agents going after them. empty action scenes filling the void rather than progressing the story. Even potentially very powerful scenes like when Yelena kills the former widow who frees her, or when the bad guy euthanizes another one in budapest - are painted in the most bland cartoonish MCU brush and I just wish that a little more of the raw emotion and Indie filmmaking sensibilities of the intro shone through in those moments. It's not like the movie is devoid of themes, even if it's a pretty generic movie about abuse and misogyny.
Shoot, I thought by the trailer that’s what it would be about Her going back to ground zero where things might’ve begun or something or someone (taskmaster) hunting her because of what when down there, maybe people died there that was family or friends for taskmaster and they’d blame Natasha for it all directly....imagine that movie, cliche but more focused
Yeah ... I felt like I was watching Natasha's version of Captain America 2 ... only there was never a Captain America 1 to make me give a damn about HYDRA, Bucky etc
They turned cocky, wise-cracking Taskmaster into an emotionless, edgy killing machine. I think it would have been better if they had used Deathlok instead, considering he died and was made into a cyborg. But I guess we'll never see Taskmaster in his full glory considering he was just another plot-twisted, one-off villain.
I realised after the film that the plot of the film was just: Natasha: “Where do I find the Red Room? Lets ask Yelena” Yelena: “Don’t know, let’s ask Alexei.” Alexei: “Don’t know, let’s ask Milena.” Milena: “I know, I’ll take you there.” *End Credits*
@Damian Rubio Are you kidding? I’m all here for originality, but when they ruin a character for no reason and make a movie just to milk a character, that’s isn’t good or even “original”. Don’t be one of those guys that blindly support anything marvel puts out.
@@Flome810 yeah I have never read a comic and yet I was very dissapointed with taskmaster, not only as another bland marvel villain, but because, like comic fans, my expectations were high. How so? Because of the spider-man ps4 game. Yes the freaking spider-man game gave the character so much better representation from small side quests alone.
The freedom of all the other widows is what was really at Stake, I just don’t like how all the widows became clueless after they broke free of the mind control and had to be told by the main characters to escape.
The movie made me feel it was more Yelena’s story than Nat’s. But you know what I look forward to seeing her again. You know she’s going to be in the Hawkeye series.
Easily but I really think they made it that way so we like her in the mcu. It’s just unfortunate that this was black widows last time in the mcu and she’s not even the stand out character
It felt like the film was setting up a more interesting character with her but she had to be stuck in a supporting role, I hope the next Black Widow films haver her as the lead.
This movie's biggest sin IMO is turning Taskmaster into a bland terminator-esque bad guy. I don't mind the twist near the end regarding the character, I just think they can't have this villain not be a wise cracking asshole and still make it work. It's a big part of what makes Taskmaster fun.
That’s exactly what I think. I’ve always loved Taskmaster in the comics but they turned them into a Terminator or another Winter Solider like character. I’m fine with that but cmon, it’s Taskmaster
Maybe make the daughter actually work for her father? I think that could work. I also think it's possible that they could use the Taskmaster Program or whatever it was called to have someone else take the mantle of Taskmaster.
The only way I think it would've worked better is if they made Taskmaster even more of a threat in this movie. I think the reveal was pretty cool but the ending was very meh, and if you're going to have a meh ending with this "scary" Taskmaster you might as well have gone with the asshole wisecracking taskmaster then
Marvels peak of “grounded type hero” spy story is still winter soldier, that movie is top tier marvel. If they can do more stuff like that again than were good
He’s totally right about the Budapest thing, why wasn’t that the movie instead of what we got. Of course it would be weird having most of the main characters have some form of de-aging crap on them (whether that be heavy makeup or cgi), but it would have been so good
Yeah that's the thing, they lost there chance to do that because they made it too late, and they would have had to make everyone deaged the entire movie
Well, considering the story that got told, here, centering the movie on Budapest would have told an incomplete story, and one that had little to nothing to do with the other characters like Yelena. It wouldn't have properly introduced her character, which admittedly was a big part of this movie's point.
Didn’t talk about Taskmaster… because Taskmaster wasn’t even a character, which is so very wrong to me. This movie wasted a perfectly good comic villain.
You and I both. I personally thought that the first part of the movie was going to be about the Red Room and how they trained the girls to become Black Widows then how Natasha was going to meet Clint and joined the Shield/the Budapest mission. But unfortunately, this movie was about introducing the new Black Widow... But tbh, a movie about Natasha's origins story should have been released a long time ago (like right after her introduction in Iron Man 2), same for Hawkeye and his circus days (there could have been a movie about him right after the first Thor movie because Clint was in it).
Very true, no one gets injured in any way. After yelena destroys the choppers blades towards the end and it explores in her face, there not a scratch on her.
A huge problem is that Black Widow just feels so "past Marvel." We've gotten used to the crazy, character driven MCU with WandaVision, FATWS and Loki, and this just feels like such a step down.
I'm actually disappointed, not by any of that, but because it wasn't focused on black widow when she was training to be KGB and then working as a Russian spy. I thought we were getting a prequel film.about her backstory, not some boring side mission she did between two of the recent films.
@@demiliomason1565 i wanted that story as well, but ever since the movie was announced it was confirmed that wasnt going to be the story they chose so it didnt bother me...
@@Batman1998- Loki is still airing so I can't exactly say for certain it'll stay that way. Wandavision for example was great until it got near the end and left its sitcom gimmick and started having people flying and shit again.
The action was always putting me off while watching this one. It was defying physics at the levels of fast and the furious. There were numerous moments that should have been fatal, from which the main characters simply stood up and ran.
The physics kept fluctuating between Winter Soldier and Iron Man. For that reason, none of the action felt grounded enough or built up a proper sense of danger/threat. I didn't know when to expect characters to get injured or suffer a defeat...no tension as a result.
Yes! It got to the point where I thought that they must've given natasha some sort of version of the superhero serum in the red room, to justify all the hits she could take 😅
I feel like this was kind of the purpose of the movie. Black widow is dead and they wanted to introduce Yelena so she can be a character in future movies right?
Just like the flag smashers, we weren’t showed the “why” for the villains. Why should we care? We saw the flag smashers blow up a building. Ok? What else? We’re told, but nver shows. And same with the flag smashers’ motivation. We were told that they were treated horribly after the blip, but never shown. We don’t care enough to either hate them because of what they do, or root for them because of the injustices against them. The same issues happen with the Widow cell. We are shown them sniping people, we’re told they are deadly. But we aren’t moved or emotionally tied for their liberation, other than being told that they’re being subjugated. We don’t see the struggle, we don’t witness the inhumane things being done to them. We’re just… told. And the two people who have ties to the red room (natasha & yelena) do not give it any worthwhile characterization that would substitute a direct tie to the widow cell. The villain doesn’t seem threatening, because we don’t care enough to want to see his demise either. He gets so little screen time, and we never get to learn his “why”- a titular aspect of a compelling villain. It is a pretty known fact that marvel movies don’t always have the best villains. But after doing things like Thanos and Wanda, the standard of story telling has risen. And Marvel needs to meet and exceed their own standards, if they want to keep their credibility as good storytellers. Also: WHERE DID PHEROMONES COME FROM?? YOU CAN’T JUST INTRODUCE RANDOM PLOT LINES WITHOUT SETTING THEM UP PREVIOUSLY??
Because we get a sense of all that from Nat, ever since Avengers we see glimpses of her pain and trauma, at least for me it wasnt hard to accept the whole issue. In fact the opening credits scene was enough for me considering what I knew before hand...
we've had SO MANY scenes of Nat talking about her horrible past and the horrible people behind it, we know by watching her how skilled and formidable the widows must be but know that wherever she comes from, it is now long gone. To discover that was a lie is a good solid base to kick start Nat solo movie imo. That said, I wish we could have seen more of her training and time in the OG red room - the opening credits were cool, but I wished for a little more
I think the movie should have leaned into the tone of the intro, that was the most grounded and effective part of the whole movie. Like imagine the reintroduction of Yelena right before she is freed, but filmed in a way that shows she's basically a prisoner in her own body instead of generic spy action filmmaking. Use first person shots, use every trick in the book that communicates altered states of minds - and then show us the aftermath, and to communicate her regaining free will, go back to regular filmmaking to reveal to us the corpse of her liberator. That movie had fairly powerful themes, but it was buried in over the top action schlock.
I don’t mind the “normal human MCU” because obviously there’s a demographic for it, and I enjoy it when it’s done well as it was in the winter soldier. But they really need to come up with some compelling plots and antagonists. The plot in TFATWS was so convoluted, and Karli was so lame. But if the story mainly took place in madripoor and involved an antagonist there I think it would’ve been way more interesting. As for black widow, it 100% should’ve been the mission in Budapest. They could’ve even kept the opening sequence with the fake family and her sister, and found a way to build up her character in the movie.
John Walker should have just been the main antagonist, and the conflict of the series is about him abusing the shield and Sam and Bucky realizing he needs to be stopped. Walker was the most compelling character in that series, and every time it cut away from him and focused on the flagsmashers or the stupid Power Broker shit, I was falling asleep.
Also they were like superhumans like that scene where there where in a car that flipped over and kept smashing on the ground into the subway they should have died from that or be paralyzed for the rest of their lives but they jus got up with no blood and just started running again
@@mezzb Galaga guy has more charisma than her. He should have been the main villain. It woulf perfectly fit for the suffocating jokey problems of Marvel films.
I feel like nobody is mentioning how the “heroes” cause an avalanche that most likely killed loads of people. Sure, many of them are criminals since it’s a prison, but STILL. Just give me movies with these characters being heroes instead of only saving the day when it’s a doomsday scenario.
To be fair, none of them are actually "heros." It's completely within character of any of them to kill that many people and not care. Like red guardian said "Your ledgers must dripping red from all the people you killed."
i feel like in this movie that kind of works. none of the heroes are morally good people, maybe except for Natasha who switched lanes years ago and is still trying to do good by bringing down the Red Room. Even then though, we've seen how she killed Derykov's daughter for collateral, so even her morals aren't always straight. I guess they should have included a moment where Natasha plays the big sister role and criticises Yelena's choice to blow up that tower, but otherwise it weirdly works for me
4:37 Yes! It drove me nuts that they never touched on that. A character that has always wanted to fight Captain America, fights someone that knows all of his moves and the movie doesn't give that moment any significance.
And he just gets slapped around until someone saves him which just feels so cheap. "Oh we can't have someone apart from our protagonist beat the villain" at least let him take a shot at it! Maybe leave a wound! *Something!*
Holy shit i havent seen the movie yet and when i read task master i thought "who THE FUCK was taskmaster supposed to be in the clips he showed????" And i googled it and yeah wow im disappointed whyd they do my boy like that
I was so disappointed by our good ol' russian daddy. He goes on and on about being the one to bring down Captain America but he does next to nothing. His big final fight is just him getting pummelled until someone steps in to help, which just feels like a waste. They set him up as the muscle of the group but he doesn't win a *single* fight. And the villians were, once again, really underwhelming. I was excited to see Taskmaster but her powers are underutilised as hell and she doesn't have an agenda of her own. On the other hand, our coldblooded criminal mastermind who manipulates the entire world... is baited into throwing a tantrum in like two sentences?
I always saw this movie as sort of a "Victory Lap" for Scarlett. She's probably been doing this just as long as RDJ or Sam Jackson, and Marvel probably wanted to give her one final "farewell' with a movie of her own. I thought the movie was fine. Definitely weaker than the shows right now. But it was decent enough and I won't say I hated my time watching it.
That’s the only reason it exists it feels like I agree. It feels like Marvel felt like they owed her her own movie after all these years so they just kinda threw one together for her.
Yeah, the family dynamic was the best part. All the family are alot more morally compromised and grey than the other Avengers. Natasha was willing to kill an innocent girl in order to kill her target. The Red Guardian had a warped perspective on success where he though sending girls he genuinely like and was attached to sent to the Red Room where they learn to kill countless people. He didn't send them there out of malice or apathy, but because that he though it gave them the best possible future and the mother was suffocating a pig just to show off her science experiment. It was interesting to see how both Natasha and Yelena react to their childhood. Natasha tries to completely reject her past by pointing out how their fake family was just a front for the Russians, while Yelena clings to this past because it was the only time she was happy and not a puppet. I quite like the first 2/3 of the movie. Wasn't a big fan of the finale with Taskmaster and the sexist glasses dude.
I guess I get that aspect of it, I just think it was stupid to market it as a black widow movie when it was mostly about the side characters lol, because I def cared more about them than her and it didn’t further her story in any way.
@@genevieveroy780 I think they looked at “birds of prey” and how that confused a lot of people went let’s not do that. Plus, the sister is the new black widow so it still kinda makes sense
Black Widow, a movie that came out this year, that was supposed to come out last year, but should've come out 7 years ago.
My thoughts exactly
Yes exactly
I definitely enjoyed Black Widow, but yes, if it had come out 7 months after Civil War(instead of 7 years), I think it would have been much more impactful to the overall MCU.
Agreed this should've come out around when Black Panther or spiderman did. Hard to care about Black Widow when we all know what she did has no real consequence on her when we all know she's in Infinity War and dies in Endgame.
If only it came out instead of captain marvel that would have been fine but the MCU was too focused on trying to make Carol their poster girl when no one actually cared about her.
This movie feels like a sequel. The Budapest mission is the first movie
the more i hear abt budapest references the more I want to see firsthand, what natasha and clint do back then and there. its always "back in Budapest" and "this is nothing like Budapest" that triggered me. i hope hawkeye's disney+ series will dive deeper into that story
What was most painful in this movie was the quips and jokes.. felt like watching joss whedon movies (esp AOU with its horrible jokes)
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Yep it should've come out in 2013/2014 followed by this one released in 2016/17. Nack then I would have prefered seeing original Avengers get expanded on in their own movies, instead of new characters getting a bland movie like Ant-man and even doctor strange. We really didn't need an ant-man movie. Let alone 2. Just putting him in a few movies as a side character and quickly explaining the subatomic stuff for Endgame would've been enough. I like doctor strange, but i feel like it would've been mch better if we saw him showing up randomly in some stories like Ragnarok to make him some STRANGE dude on the side, guarding the earth, and only later reveal the mysteries surronding him in a movie with Wanda.
thats the issue Black Widow has no standalone or duo movies Thor and Hulk have one's Iron Man and Cap have 3 the Budapest mission should have been Hawkeye and her. You think Renner would say no, of course, he wouldn't. It's a shame for being one of the main avengers or original ones her and hawkeye got cucked hard and this just shows it
When he said “Obama was president back then.” it made me realize just how long ago Civil War was. I feel like sometimes I forget because of how much Marvel content we get. My god. Get me out of here.
Relevant: Avengers Endgame was released over two years ago
@@zacharyschafer9493 No way..... time just goes by I guess.
@@verytired1163 avengers infinity war was 3 years ago sheesh I still remember watching the trailer and thinking how epic it will be
Bush was still president when the first iron man movie came out
@@pieceoftrash184 this assortment of words sent me into a contemplative spiral. thank you
Makes a good point. Hard to care about Black Widow when we all know she dies.
My parents say the same thing to me.
Same. But when I go back in rewatch the movies in chronical order I think this movie way be slightly better.
@@elmantishrimp1689 True watching this after Civil War or even After Black Panther does make it slightly better.
disagree. everyone knows how most Greek tragedies or Shakespeare plays end before reading them. (And this is TOTALLY on that level)
Since they announced this movie I ALWAYS thought a much better plot would’ve been a 3/4 or even just half of the movie about that Mission Black Widow and Hawkeye keep talking about and then in the final act of the movie, the focus goes to Jeremy Reiner (Hawkeye) and he has to finish loose ends or something.
Like, imagine how cool it would’ve been if this story was the kind that has constantly flashbacks to the point where they occupy a chunk of the story. It could’ve been focused on both of the characters but the true protagonist being Haweye and he would relive his memories of BW.
Hell, “Ant-Man and the Wasp” is a thing. Just call it “Black Widow and Haweye” and BOOM! Two characters that needed their own movies now have their movie
“Now this is a cool way to die” should’ve been Natasha’s last words
No.
No they shouldn’t have been.
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ in hindsight you’re right
I don’t think that would’ve made sense when it came out and would’ve taken away from the seriousness of the scene
Some one else already mention this, but it would’ve ruined the tone of that scene leading up to her death. And with that being said, that emotional moment of Yelena paying respect to Natasha’s grave was ruined by Elaine’s comedic introduction into the mcu.
Guys this was a terrible idea i get it lmao
I love that the sister - sister interaction was on point with how most other siblings actually interact.
I think he was a bit too pessimistic at the end. Eternals is coming out soon, and there's that Skrull plotline that was teased at the end of Spiderman. There's alot more to the future of the MCU than Black Widow and Winter Soldier type characters
SO much more to come. X-Men, F4, Galactus, Doom… Marvel could continue to make multiple franchises for decades.
Yeh, and we have all the magic stuff with Wanda, Doctor Strange, the Multiverse etc
@@DylanMadd I don’t know about this man. I can eternals probably being forgettable to general audiences. But I have hope because I’ve read eternals and I’ve actually really fell in love with it. But all I can hope for next is the X-Men
and kang too now in loki episode 6
@@rigobertorosenbaum9838 Guardians was similar before it came out. I’m also not certain it can work again (JGunn has a unique voice/style). It occurred to me when I thought about phases 1-3 and how great it was and nostalgic I already am for that era. And they could continue to bring those characters back (at great expense) and building on those storylines. OR, they could bring in new characters forever (with Eternals, XMen, F4 & more multiverse/cosmic stories) and never mention Cap or Stark ever again. There’s so much room and so many characters still it seems they can go on and on forever. I love it. Wish DC could do something similar.
I wasn’t expecting this, but I actually really liked Black Widow. It was not worth the wait and all that, but it was very good in my eyes. Just my opinion tho
Same lol. It was an alright movie haha. For the point of just feeding your hunger for some marvel movies, it was an alright watch.
All I expected from this movie wasa super hero beat up a villain and I'm not disappointed. Thats probably also how I enjoyed captain marvel cause my expectations are astronomically low lmao
I also loved Black widow! I think they are being to harsh with it :/
I liked it but it was a bit too late so it made me kinda made ngl. we already know the end of her story so this movie is just an introduction for the new characters. still it doesn't deserve the 6.8 rating on IMDB.
Subjectively I liket it a lot actually. However, I know that it is objectively pretty meh
Task masters got more character development in his side quests in Spider-Man PS4 than this movie tbh…
Just feels like a missed opportunity and I really feel like Marvel has been producing more content since endgame just for the hell of it and lack the passion and creativity of the movies that came before it.
I haven’t seen this movie yet, but I’ll bet my PS4 that he’s still a country mile better here than the dumbass bullet sponge from the Avengers game.
Well that’s because Marvel isn’t as bitchy with their video games and they’re allowed to be creative.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 agreed I haven't seen the movie yet and even I know this is true
Yes and he had a good design
It wasnt even Taskmaster right? It was one of Natasha's cult enemies
They ruined taskmaster, this could have been a cool villain
They didn't ruin Taskmaster. This takes place 7 years before Endgame. That's a lot of time for the villain to evolve into the Taskmaster we know from other media. This one is basically just explaining the origin of Taskmaster, which is cool, and not killing them off makes me believe we will see them back in the future. Either as a hired mercenary or just an antihero. Don't give up on a character we will probably see again in the future. Hell, Abomination is in She-Hulk and Shang-Chi, the MCU doesn't forget characters that aren't dead, especially if they can add to the story in the future. Taskmaster showing up in a Captain America movie would be a great way to show how Sam can surpass Steve Rogers in some ways by showing him beat Taskmaster who is fighting the same as Steve Roger's (sans super-strength, of course).
@@Lampboi-jp6dt But this Taskmaster was terrible and nothing like the comic book version so why would we even want to see more?
The actual Taskmaster is way more fun, he's a cocky jerk who basically fanboys over the moves he copies from people while also being incredibly badass.
I doubt she'll appear again honestly, unless they just retcon her and say "Oh no actually the REAL Taskmaster is this dude"
@@Lampboi-jp6dt Being blown up by black widow is a nice origin, but you have to admit the movie doesn’t seem to care much for the character until the last minute. This all felt like a knock off Captain America: winter soldier. In that movie, the set up between Steve and WS was done way better. That movie both shows and tells us and the protagonist why they need to take the winter soldier as a serious threat. All the info dump for Taskmaster happens at the very end and it doesn’t leave as big of an impact like Captain America’s movie did.
@@mrcheesemunch MCU isn't in the same universe, so why expect the same? Marvel doesn't want comic book fans to guess everything correctly either, would ruin all the fun for normies. There's plenty of time to develop them into a cocky (or whatever) character, now that they have their humanity back
@@palody_en-ja Then why do they make incredibly predictable movies? I haven't read any of these comics and nothing in this movie surprised me at all, like it was pretty damn obvious they weren't going to leave Black Widow a child killer meaning the kid would be relevant later and oh, shocking, she's Taskmaster.
Am I the only one still with mix feelings about what happened almost at the end with Natasha being left alone waiting for Ross to get her, the camera cuts and then we find her with her friend in Norway (?) I guess.
It feels like they ran out of ideas of how to make her escape that situation and simply move on. Who thought that was a good idea??
I liked it, personally. I liked that it wasn't setting up twelve future movies, but was just doing its own thing and exploring a few new facets of Natasha.
Same. As a stand-alone movie, it's really good. But, when you compare it to other Marvel movies and see what it _could've_ been, it's not as great. It mostly depends on your perspective, I guess.
this should have been a black widow movie 2. the first one being the Budapest mission.
You can blame Disney for being so hesitant on creating a female solo action movie. Fans have loved Black Widow since Iron Man 2. Her solo flick should have been the first, NOT Captain Marvel. ScarJo herself is also way more likable than Brie Larson. She has no political agenda; in fact, she despises social media.
I'll bet you anything they did hesitate because she wouldn't promote their uber SJW mentality the way Brie did.
@@nahor88 honestly, I think Captain Marvel was a better movie than this one. Black Widow is cool, but outside of the Cap movies and Endgame, ScarJo always seemed like a weirdly written character, and it was made even more obvious in this movie. I'm not saying a Black Widow movie couldn't work, but they didn't lean hard enough into the Mission Impossible aspect. They tried to make it more of a superhero movie than the abilities of the character could justify. Up until the last act of the movie, I could believe that Widow could actually pull off the action being shown. The final set piece was completely different. Being more invested in the side characters (especially Yelena) only adds to that. The Taskmaster plot was fun, and every time they showed up I loved seeing how they fought (though I've always loved the Taskmaster character, and I hope they bring out the actual skull mask if/when we see them again).
I think the movie would've felt more than a 6/10 for me if they would've kept the stakes lower, like a Civil War style end scene, where it's only a couple characters, and nothing crazy going on in the background. Civil War's end scene resonates so hard for me because 1) obviously the conflict between Cap and Tony, but also 2) there isn't anything else happening. No world ending event or destruction, just 2 best friends fighting for keeps because 1 wants to save his other friend.
Hindsight is 20/20, and there are choices I would never have made that I actually enjoyed quite a bit, but this movie feels like it was made before Civil War, and not just because it takes place there.
@@nahor88 well I wouldn't blame Disney I would blame the old head of marvel studios he said that female leads would not make money but now we have Kevin feige who is not a sexist and racist
"Normal Marvel Movie" you perfectly explained this movie in 3 words
Could you make a video on Avengers: Earths mightiest heroes.
@Albert Okorogu Why?
YES
After watching the movie, gotta agree with the “not against Marvel doing more grounded stories, but they aren’t doing it good enough for me to care.”
I genuinely found it hard to attach myself to this movie because the story isn’t interesting to me. I’m not the biggest spy movie fan, so that might be a part into it. The two villains aren’t interesting either, one of which is just a let down. And the action in this movie didn’t feel special, no fight scene necessarily stood out to me.
I watched it today and I honestly loved it, it was just a light hearted throwaway action filled movie that had me at the edge of my seat and I loved every second of it.
This was definitely a black widow's replacement setup movie
If this film came out 7 years ago, It could of been top 10 MCU.
Nah it’s still bad, lmao if it came out back then it would still be bad.
Absolutely not
Hah! No. No development of who Natasha was, really, a shame considering SJ's character was always treated as filler.
Nothing for the Communist Captain (the Crimson Dynamo :P) explaining how the hell he fits in a timeline so, so different from the comics (where he *does* fight Captain America). Also, the Crimson Dynamo dig... Really? So... They point at comics (Iron Man Cold War era villain) and that's, like... All?
And Taskmaster didn't get any cool scene. Could've taken on all four of 'em, anyway.
This felt like a rushed interludium for the damn Disney+ series that came out too late.
If it had came out earlier... What would it have brought, if not even that? People criticise Ant-Man and the Wasp a lot (I think it was actually qyite good, albeit forgettable, but so are most marvel movies) but this... This would've been below Thor The Dark World.
No
@@jotabeas22 I mean, we know there were more super-powered soldiers while Rogers was still an icicle. I just assumed his story about fighting Cap was a nod to that
The mom mention pulls back to endgame when she’s shocked that red skull knows her moms true name
Think Red Skull said her dads name, not her moms
@@emicadena2105 indeed. "Natasha, daughter of Ivan".
I like the callback to Dreyghov's daughter...it comes straight from her interrogation of Loki in The Avengers on the helicarrier, when Loki tries to goad her by bringing up this incident that he made Clint reveal to him.
This movie made me cry. I haven't cried since Infinity War and Captain America: Civil War. 8/10 It was late, but I was invested and had a great time.
It was solid. I had a good time.
Everyone memeing the "Taskmaster got more character development in Spider-Man's PS4" is cute, but not true.
Taskmaster had more personality, but they have equal character development, which is basically none at all.
props for the misdirection
That's the joke dude. Taskmaster in the game gives an inkling more as to who they are than this film did.
Remember, captain went back in time which leaves the option open of them fighting in the 80s
I really enjoyed it, I think they did a great work with character development, and dialogue was fantastic, I think the biggest fault is in the villan because he wasn't too dangerous or didn't really did it for me, but I loved it even with that :)
I went in expecting it to hate it and it's one of my favorite MCU movies now. Felt different to me, different style, more like a real movie.
"Black Widow is watchable."
- Cosmonaut, 2021
I wouldn’t lump Bucky in with the “normal” avengers like you did, considering he’s a super soldier
Pls, Marvel had no idea what the power level is. Loki beat *Cap* and able to withstand being mauled by Hulk, yet Jane Foster was able to make him flinch with a slap and he got his ass beaten up by a human in his own show.
Dude he's normal compared to most people in the Marvel universe
@@argo9721 that's like saying spiderman is normal. they can chuck helicopters why is the mcu so afraid to let them be powerful
"The world did an oopsie"
Comedy gold
TaskMaster was horrible, everything else was good for an mcu film
They just turned Taskmaster into a "Winter Soilder" Robotic assassin type, that's not who the character is.
@@themadtitan7603 even messed up how their powers work.
@@themadtitan7603 taskmaster should have been a villain in a avengers movie
The writing was so bad
@@allnotes4568 yes he could have been a side villain in a avengers movie fighting captain America, black widow and Hawkeye with a bigger main villain
They didn’t make a movie about the Budapest mission because then they would have to write a plot that lives up to the energy they set it up to be, it’s like the end of game of thrones, they’re never gonna write something cool enough.
i've never felt that a movie was cutted as much as this one since justice league 2017
I agree with most of what you said, especially about the timeline being disappointed and feeling too little too late, but i gotta say, as a woman, it was genually the first time ever that i saw women being well-written in a marvel movie, with actual theme that are intimately linked to the experience of being a woman. Because it's so rare, to me, it made me forgive a lot a the weaker parts of the movie. Some scenes just hit right in the guts, like when the villain casually mentions little girls being the most expandable resources of the planet. Now, you made me realize that this movie did not really made me care that much more for natasha, she's not a character i ever really connected to before. I mean, I wasn't supposed to, she always was just a vehicle for male fantasies. Anyway, I see a lot of criticism for this movie from men and I wonder if it's just because they kind of miss the main message? I don't think the rest of the plot was really supposed to matter, it's all about sisterhood. Idk, maybe I see too much into it, and like I said, I do agree with the criticism, just think there's something else to get from it.
Did you like how Marvel turned an evil, involuntary hysterectomy into a period-type joke to gross out Alexei?
Black Widow is about sisterhood, but the execution is very flawed. Early on, Nat wants to save the Widow on the smoke stack, who is already established to be capable killer that's under mind control (which requires an antidote). It was very weird that Natasha tried to save her, while the Widow was still trying to kill her. Did she actually think she could reason with someone under Mind Control when an Antidote is required?
I didn't like how the Widows were freed and Natasha just gives them a cheesy pep talk (be free, my little birds!) while the Citadel was catastrophically sinking. The resolution with the Widows should've happened at the end, in the prologue, and we should've seen the full range of different emotional reactions from the women (from crying, to shock, to confusion, to anger, etc) for the years of abuse by the Red Room. Instead, we got a cheesey Disney/Marvel happy ending.
The sisterhood theme feels like it was just stapled onto the story as a corporate bullet point, not a real storytelling goal.
This was a reply to someone else’s comment but I want more people to read this: at the beginning they set it up like the whole movie is a genre swap from the original MCU films, it’s dark, depressing, with some serious undertones but then half way through it’s like nvm this is just a marvel movie again. The Disney + shows are a great example of marvel trying new things with the tones and genres of what they produce and it would make sense for this to have come out right before wandavision to “warmup the audience” and have them adjust to the new direction they want to take marvel (don’t forget doctor strange 2 is supposed to be a full on horror flic) but with it releasing now and not years ago it’s just a bad placement of what could have been a pretty good movie.
This feels like the Russian version of Captain America: The winter soldier
this movie was fire ☹️
I really enjoyed this movie
This movie takes place between INFINITY WARS & END GAME.. It fits the timeline perfectly if you pay attention to the last few AVENGERS films. The end of this movie flows directly into the events of END GAME.
Black Widow.
The one character perfect for a character rich small story of a James Bond esque spy thriller.
Instead we got Black Widow surfing down debris of a sky fortress like Legolas in the Hobbit.
Ever since Iron Man 2 I was praying for a Black Widow movie. A decade later, there is still not a Black Widow movie. Just a checkmark in the "Missed Potential" column for MCU on this one.
I personally think this movie deserves a bit more credit. It had competent and inferred messages, some great action set pieces, cool characters and had well timed comedy rather than the past movies just cracking a joke at every corner. Its not perfect, but I'm happy with the more darker, riskier movies breaking the classic formula. This is how Captain Marvel should have been approached imo.
It's definitely a movie made by Marvel Studios, that's for sure.
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It's to set up her sister as the next black widow.
That's the point of the movie.
It's so when this character shows up in the next avengers, people aren't sitting in theaters saying "wait, who the fuck is this broad?"
I liked it personally, I saw it as Ip Man with lasers and guns. Disposable but still enjoyed it
I really liked it, for the same reason you like fast and furious. It’s fast and furious with badass women beating people up and I love that. I’m here for it all day.
I found it funny that when the Red Room crashed I'm assuming somewhere in rural Russia, the first authorities to respond were Americans lol. I was totally expecting Russian authorities and it caught me off guard.
I walked in to this movie for some reason expecting it to take place in like 2005 or something, before Iron Man 2, like an origin so when it started in 1995 then cut to 21 years later I sat there like "am I missing something?"
5:55 How is Bucky a "normal human" Avenger? He's a near immortal super soldier with a vibranium arm...
I am the angriest at the fucking scene with nat's headstone, that should've been her proper send off, and was taken over by a joke and a hawkeye show teaser
After avengers there should’ve been a black widow where we see her back story and maybe a of red guardian mission. And it is the hawk eye and black widow Budapest mission. Then this movie stays almost identical and fix up some loose ends and throw in some call backs this would be an amazing sequel. And the taskmaster would make more sense. Then when we see red guardian grow it would mean much more. The endgame fight between Natasha and hawk eye would have more weight. When we see the blonde girl, could’ve been a reveal. If this had been a sequel to the Budapest mission. And had the back story in that, the red guardian and mother reunion, just like everything else would be a lot better. This movie might have been really really good.
There’s a very simple explanation for why they chose to do a story settling scores from a much more interesting story, with her sister being the only character with any interesting development.
It’s just a commercial for the new hot chick that scissors henchmen to death.
I can't believe this movie wasn't even near as compelling as Civil War, which came out 5 Years Ago! Even Natasha herself was characterized waaaay better in civil war than in this movie. It's really strange, i felt the same thing when i watched The New Mutants, like i saw a movie of 2016 5 years later
Black Widow feels like a movie Marvel never wanted to make but they felt pressured to by fans so they quickly scraped something together off the bottom of their shoe and threw it on the big screen. there's still enough in it (yelena) for me to rewatch but i won't argue against anyone saying it did the absolute bare minimum.
black widow was basically ca: the winter soldier or smthn
"...And we didn't know her back then"
While showing Task Master....
Subtle, very subtle
I feel like I could have made this movie much better by changing when this movie takes place.
This movie should have taken place between the first Budapest mission.
After the start of Endgame and then after Endgame itself.
Have the movie cut between these three times to have a connected plot where we see Black Widow go and destroy the first Red Room. After Thanos snaps Black Widow finds out about the reemergence of the Red Room and it culminates with her fighting her sister and freeing her, but the leader of the red room gets away. Instead of the plot of killing the little girl have Black Widows guilt come from being able to go back and save her sister but choosing not to. Then have after Endgame be about Black Widows sister taking up the mantle and finally bringing down the red room and finishing what Natasha started.
Taskmaster is one of my favorite characters in Marvel ever. Ever since his appearance in that one Spider-Man episode with Deadpool (another one of my favorites) I loved him. He was just so cool. Then they turned him into a silent type terminator who is given tech for his ability instead of him actually having the skill that made him so fearsome. Making him a bland side antagonist. Then showed he was the daughter. Which was bad for two reasons, just shut down the “oh my god how is black widow going to deal with the fact she killed a child” and also because of how jarring it was. Jarring because it’s so god damned obvious that a man is under there. A man who is a completely different build and moves in such a obvious way. If they wanted taskmaster to be a boring daughter then at least make the stunt person a woman. It’s an insult to make it a man. Nonetheless I still got all giddy when I saw him copy moves from different characters. And I got all giddy when I saw that awesome costume. My favorite costume design in the mcu.
i think the movie was fine. not the worst MCU movie by far. most of the characters were likeable. the plot was okay and it never felt like things were dragging. the stakes were low and obviously this movie should've come out like 6 years ago but it is what it is. i still liked to learn about black widow's backstory and meet her "family." i also think the movie did a pretty good job of letting us get to know Yelena, who will presumably take up the mantle in future MCU movies.
as bland as this was, seeing Julia Louise Dreyfuss show up was kinda satisfying. made it feel like watching FATWS was kinda worth it to see the overarching tie ins.
but yeah this movie is 6 years too late
When Yelena visits Natasha's grave, that should've been a great moment to give her a proper send-off. What do we get? Valentina blows her nose ridiculously loud and complains about allergies. We got a dumb joke and a teaser for the D+ Hawkeye show. Lol
i think the movie was just centered around What Black Widow did with the other characters. she made Red Guardian humble and more compassionate. For Yelena an excellent way to introduce a character and give us a reason to like her which i think it did well. i agree it dosent add much to a giant overall story but we know how black widow ends so does it need to? I see it as farewell to black widow, a redemptive story for crazy Russians to have a heart, and a newly invested interest in a cool likeable stylish character. which i would count as a successful movie. 7.5/10
After the post credits scene. I just know yelena is gonna be the villain to the Hawkeye show.
They should’ve just made a movie about her in Budapest or her escaping the red room. Why they didn’t do an origin story is beyond me
One little thing. They are setting up for the Thunderbolts. Look it up.
Talk about a film that really should have come out several years ago. Even though I still enjoyed it.
I think it’s marvels attempt to tackle human trafficking and i like that honestly I liked it
Marvel pulled all of its punches on the human trafficking storyline. They dipped their toe in some serious subject matter, but quickly retreated back to their action comedy, family friendly, campy storytelling. There weren't any really great scenes. Many were corny. Marvel even turned horrific hysterectomies (forced female sterilization) into a cheap Disney punchline.
4:50 ok i felt this so hard I was just waiting for him during that fight to go “did I ever tell you how I beat captain America” and do some dumb shit then shove taskmaster out the window that was right there and yeah it woulda been cheesy but it woulda been some sort of payoff for something they set up so much
This movie should have been made 5 years ago, and weirdly enough, it does feels like it was made 5 years ago.
The villains and formula both feel very early 2010s-esque
I wouldn't be surprise if that was the case honestly, knowing other movie's history
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For all we know this movie could've been written 5 years ago and was shelved until they saw the success of other female lead superhero films like Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel.
Hearing "Obama was still president when that movie came out." felt like being pushed off a cliff.
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T- that wasn't that long ago though... r- right?
*Who can say where the road goes, where the day flows*
~Stares longingly at pre-Trump era~ ...Don't leave me...
@@AxxLAfriku You’re not the greatest UA-camr in the world, you’re the biggest loser in the world.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical FR I miss the pre-trump era
I find it kind of insulting that this character waited seven years to finally get her movie, and it was after she fucking died.
Blame Ike Perlmutter for that one.
I couldn't agree more
You care more about Natasha than the MCU does, then
@@novadreamer1779 yes
Where r u getting seven years from? She's been around for 12 now since 09
I think they waited way too long to pull the trigger on this movie, even pre-COVID. This should’ve come out before Endgame for the sake of Black Widow’s story.
Google the name Ike Perlmutter and you will come to understand why Black Widow didn't get a movie sooner.
@@RottingDragon we all know why there were no female led marvel movies before like 2019 but it just feels like this should’ve been out a while ago. after the ambition of infinity war/endgame and the disney plus shows, it really seemed like marvel was going in a new, more complex direction, so for this to come out after all that is just a lil meh.
@@tyde4610 bruh NO female led movies before 2019 lol
@@RottingDragon Perlmutter was based. He's the reason why the MCU is as big as it is today.
@@KanyeT1306 He's also the reason why it took so long to get solo Black Widow movie. He might have done a lot to get the MCU to where it is, but he's also the reason it was held back in many ways.
The Budapest mission sounds like it's basically the Kessel Run of the Marvel movies
At least they showed us the Kessel Run
So... you'll originally never get to see it but once you do it's not as great as it was made out to be?
@@Shinransa nah that scene was badass
@@marcool3645 I don't know, all we saw was Natasha watching a kid from a car then she blows up the kid.
@@Shinransa he meant the kessel run scene
This movie had a super inconsistent tone. The intro sequence with the separation of the family is honestly one of the darkest intros in the entire MCU. But fast forward 21 years when the family finally reunites, and everyone primarily communicates via quips/jokes. The whole movie just felt... weird.
Elaine’s awful comedic introduction at Natasha’s grave is the fucking worst. I’m about ready to cry over her sister coming to pay respects and then I hear someone blowing their nose multiple times, like the disrespect here vs Tony’s funeral is infuriating
@@victorpleitez768 maybe Marvel wants you to hate her, she's obviously a baddie
@@palody_en-ja who cares...don't shit on a beloved Avenger that has been there from the start .
The intro actually showed lots of potential - even the plane chase is actually really tense and the Idea of kids being used as cover during a dangerous spy mission and pretty much being shelves for later use when it's done was just so heartbreaking.
And there are a few shades of that later in the movie - the villain is actually pretty terrifying, not so much as an evil mastermind, but as a serial abuser - and I don't think it's a coincidence that he kinda looks like Harvey Weinstein.
But there is a ton of formulaic action, like when Natasha and Yelena meet and thus they "have" to fight to establish their fighting styles, even though in that moment they supposedly both know they're on the same side. Then Right after we have the red room agents going after them. empty action scenes filling the void rather than progressing the story.
Even potentially very powerful scenes like when Yelena kills the former widow who frees her, or when the bad guy euthanizes another one in budapest - are painted in the most bland cartoonish MCU brush and I just wish that a little more of the raw emotion and Indie filmmaking sensibilities of the intro shone through in those moments. It's not like the movie is devoid of themes, even if it's a pretty generic movie about abuse and misogyny.
I agree. I thought I was watching a Jason Bourne movie in the first 20 minutes because it looked so dark
Honestly this should've been a sequal to a movie that would've been focused in that Budapest mission.
Shoot, I thought by the trailer that’s what it would be about
Her going back to ground zero where things might’ve begun or something or someone (taskmaster) hunting her because of what when down there, maybe people died there that was family or friends for taskmaster and they’d blame Natasha for it all directly....imagine that movie, cliche but more focused
@@ninjanibba4259 How do I keep finding you?
@@Flome810 idk, maybe you’re stalking me
Yeah ... I felt like I was watching Natasha's version of Captain America 2 ... only there was never a Captain America 1 to make me give a damn about HYDRA, Bucky etc
@@TheJadedJames That's honestly a perfect way to put it
“Obama was president when that movie came out!” God I feel old
Me too and I'm 21
@@rhyswallace3590 same exact thing haha nothing made me feel older than when i found out that batman beyond was having its 20th anniversary a bit ago
how do we go back i want to spend more time with the bionicles
Having watched that movie a few weeks ago, it hit like a truck to realize just how long ago it came out.
I am so ancient
They turned cocky, wise-cracking Taskmaster into an emotionless, edgy killing machine. I think it would have been better if they had used Deathlok instead, considering he died and was made into a cyborg. But I guess we'll never see Taskmaster in his full glory considering he was just another plot-twisted, one-off villain.
They already used Deathlok in Agents of Shield but I get what you mean
@@DishyLemon TBH I didn't have the motivation to finish the show, so thanks for letting me know.
@@drag0nerd
That show got boring
@@drag0nerd AOS? atleast give season 4 a try, they peaked at that.
@@muhammadtarunaaldiramadan248 Wait, which one did Ward (or whatever his name was) die
I realised after the film that the plot of the film was just:
Natasha: “Where do I find the Red Room?
Lets ask Yelena”
Yelena: “Don’t know, let’s ask Alexei.”
Alexei: “Don’t know, let’s ask Milena.”
Milena: “I know, I’ll take you there.”
*End Credits*
And people are saying this is the best marvel movie. They butchered and bastardized taskmaster.
@Damian Rubio Are you kidding? I’m all here for originality, but when they ruin a character for no reason and make a movie just to milk a character, that’s isn’t good or even “original”. Don’t be one of those guys that blindly support anything marvel puts out.
@Damian Rubio Bet you haven’t even touched a comic.
@@Flome810 yeah I have never read a comic and yet I was very dissapointed with taskmaster, not only as another bland marvel villain, but because, like comic fans, my expectations were high.
How so? Because of the spider-man ps4 game. Yes the freaking spider-man game gave the character so much better representation from small side quests alone.
For half a second I thought it meant the red room from Twin Peaks and I got real excited...
I feel like the stakes in the movie were geared toward Yelena. I was TERRIFIED of her dying so I was pretty invested
The freedom of all the other widows is what was really at Stake, I just don’t like how all the widows became clueless after they broke free of the mind control and had to be told by the main characters to escape.
“Invested’ I see what you did there lol
Who gives af
Literally nobody thought she was gonna die considering they’ve been promoting her as essentially the “new Black Widow”.
The movie made me feel it was more Yelena’s story than Nat’s. But you know what I look forward to seeing her again. You know she’s going to be in the Hawkeye series.
Yelena was hands down the best character in this movie.
Agreed
I might have to agree with that
Easily but I really think they made it that way so we like her in the mcu. It’s just unfortunate that this was black widows last time in the mcu and she’s not even the stand out character
It felt like the film was setting up a more interesting character with her but she had to be stuck in a supporting role, I hope the next Black Widow films haver her as the lead.
Who would've thought Taskmaster was a female version of the cyborgs from Invincible with a mechanical sharingan?
This movie's biggest sin IMO is turning Taskmaster into a bland terminator-esque bad guy. I don't mind the twist near the end regarding the character, I just think they can't have this villain not be a wise cracking asshole and still make it work. It's a big part of what makes Taskmaster fun.
That’s literally what I think, when I think of taskmaster, he usually has something to say, that’s why I like him
That’s exactly what I think. I’ve always loved Taskmaster in the comics but they turned them into a Terminator or another Winter Solider like character. I’m fine with that but cmon, it’s Taskmaster
Maybe make the daughter actually work for her father? I think that could work. I also think it's possible that they could use the Taskmaster Program or whatever it was called to have someone else take the mantle of Taskmaster.
I mean, to quote my dad when we saw this movie
"They (the director and writers) saw Terminator and liked that"
The only way I think it would've worked better is if they made Taskmaster even more of a threat in this movie. I think the reveal was pretty cool but the ending was very meh, and if you're going to have a meh ending with this "scary" Taskmaster you might as well have gone with the asshole wisecracking taskmaster then
This movie should’ve been released before endgame
This movie shouldn't have been released
@@The-Real-JD No
@@The-Real-JD Your opinion....sucks.
@@Namato360 So do yours
@@The-Real-JD have you seen it
Loved the post credit scene when Dom shows up and explains to her why family is important
Dom will return in Avengers: Family
Marvels peak of “grounded type hero” spy story is still winter soldier, that movie is top tier marvel. If they can do more stuff like that again than were good
True
Nah, it was daredevil
To me that movie is kinda overrated
@@nobodycares743 Nah but hey think what you want
@@davimelo9181 Nah… but I guess your allowed to have an opinion
He’s totally right about the Budapest thing, why wasn’t that the movie instead of what we got. Of course it would be weird having most of the main characters have some form of de-aging crap on them (whether that be heavy makeup or cgi), but it would have been so good
Yeah that's the thing, they lost there chance to do that because they made it too late, and they would have had to make everyone deaged the entire movie
I was really disappointed we didn't get to see (in full) what happened in Budapest, that made Black Widow reference it in the first Avengers movie.
They should do even more references in hawkeye
Well, considering the story that got told, here, centering the movie on Budapest would have told an incomplete story, and one that had little to nothing to do with the other characters like Yelena. It wouldn't have properly introduced her character, which admittedly was a big part of this movie's point.
The budapest thing isn't really that exciting. I mean they just planted a bomb and hid.
Didn’t talk about Taskmaster… because Taskmaster wasn’t even a character, which is so very wrong to me. This movie wasted a perfectly good comic villain.
Taskmaster was way underused, but she is still alive so I imagine she'll be back in future movies!
Well she was a character because she was in the movie.
Hope she isn't the real taskmaster but a tm program to replicate the real taskmaster than a microchipped version
Taskmaster is pretty much Deadpool in X-men Origins: Wolverine and we all know how terrible that was.
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Honestly I thought this movie would be about how Black Widow and Hawkeye met, and how they escaped Budapest. That would of been a fucking epic movie!
You and I both.
I personally thought that the first part of the movie was going to be about the Red Room and how they trained the girls to become Black Widows then how Natasha was going to meet Clint and joined the Shield/the Budapest mission.
But unfortunately, this movie was about introducing the new Black Widow...
But tbh, a movie about Natasha's origins story should have been released a long time ago (like right after her introduction in Iron Man 2), same for Hawkeye and his circus days (there could have been a movie about him right after the first Thor movie because Clint was in it).
I noticed everyone in the movie feels invincible and it’s kinda annoying
Very true, no one gets injured in any way. After yelena destroys the choppers blades towards the end and it explores in her face, there not a scratch on her.
@@disasterpiece4584 or when Natasha falls from the clouds while fighting one of e best marvel fighters and then she fights the us military
Insert title card
I mean…that’s Marvel for you
It’s fast and furious rules, you guys.
A huge problem is that Black Widow just feels so "past Marvel." We've gotten used to the crazy, character driven MCU with WandaVision, FATWS and Loki, and this just feels like such a step down.
Yeah, I think this movie's biggest weakness was everyone's expectations for it.
Edit: Its definitely far from a bad movie though.
I'm actually disappointed, not by any of that, but because it wasn't focused on black widow when she was training to be KGB and then working as a Russian spy. I thought we were getting a prequel film.about her backstory, not some boring side mission she did between two of the recent films.
@@demiliomason1565 i wanted that story as well, but ever since the movie was announced it was confirmed that wasnt going to be the story they chose so it didnt bother me...
Loki is the only good show out of those
@@Batman1998- Loki is still airing so I can't exactly say for certain it'll stay that way. Wandavision for example was great until it got near the end and left its sitcom gimmick and started having people flying and shit again.
The action was always putting me off while watching this one. It was defying physics at the levels of fast and the furious. There were numerous moments that should have been fatal, from which the main characters simply stood up and ran.
The physics kept fluctuating between Winter Soldier and Iron Man. For that reason, none of the action felt grounded enough or built up a proper sense of danger/threat. I didn't know when to expect characters to get injured or suffer a defeat...no tension as a result.
The action in the end of the movie where they were fighting while falling, LMAO.
Yes! It got to the point where I thought that they must've given natasha some sort of version of the superhero serum in the red room, to justify all the hits she could take 😅
@@zunaidparker exactly
@@lorddank1121 that was nuts 😂 Natasha even slid down majestically on a falling platform 🤣
Gonna be honest, wasn’t hyped for this movie in the first place.
I mean it’s a prequel for a dead character that people don’t really care about
Disney needs to stop making prequels
@@averagetoachievetruefreedo4064 on point
I find it hard to be hyped about anything marvel makes anymore tbh
Nobody asked
@@Lucy-fy5bi You don’t have to ask for somebody’s opinion in order for them to share it you know. It’s the internet
Florence Pugh's Yelena stole the show. She was my favorite character in the film. I so hope we see more of her in future projects.
I feel like this was kind of the purpose of the movie. Black widow is dead and they wanted to introduce Yelena so she can be a character in future movies right?
Exact score I'd give it. Meh.
I agree with that.
There's no real stakes since we know the protagonists outcome in a previous movie.
sup mark
Haven’t watched it yet but apparently, there’s no One Piece flare or passion at all in this one.
Mark watch the dumpster fire known as bleach
@@leehang2899 he will read berserk next
Just like the flag smashers, we weren’t showed the “why” for the villains. Why should we care? We saw the flag smashers blow up a building. Ok? What else? We’re told, but nver shows. And same with the flag smashers’ motivation. We were told that they were treated horribly after the blip, but never shown. We don’t care enough to either hate them because of what they do, or root for them because of the injustices against them. The same issues happen with the Widow cell. We are shown them sniping people, we’re told they are deadly. But we aren’t moved or emotionally tied for their liberation, other than being told that they’re being subjugated. We don’t see the struggle, we don’t witness the inhumane things being done to them. We’re just… told. And the two people who have ties to the red room (natasha & yelena) do not give it any worthwhile characterization that would substitute a direct tie to the widow cell. The villain doesn’t seem threatening, because we don’t care enough to want to see his demise either. He gets so little screen time, and we never get to learn his “why”- a titular aspect of a compelling villain. It is a pretty known fact that marvel movies don’t always have the best villains. But after doing things like Thanos and Wanda, the standard of story telling has risen. And Marvel needs to meet and exceed their own standards, if they want to keep their credibility as good storytellers.
Also: WHERE DID PHEROMONES COME FROM?? YOU CAN’T JUST INTRODUCE RANDOM PLOT LINES WITHOUT SETTING THEM UP PREVIOUSLY??
Because we get a sense of all that from Nat, ever since Avengers we see glimpses of her pain and trauma, at least for me it wasnt hard to accept the whole issue. In fact the opening credits scene was enough for me considering what I knew before hand...
we've had SO MANY scenes of Nat talking about her horrible past and the horrible people behind it, we know by watching her how skilled and formidable the widows must be but know that wherever she comes from, it is now long gone. To discover that was a lie is a good solid base to kick start Nat solo movie imo. That said, I wish we could have seen more of her training and time in the OG red room - the opening credits were cool, but I wished for a little more
@@JustMeESM I just wish the widow cell itself had more characterization. They were such a big part but we don’t see them all that much in the story.
@@JustMeESM except I really didn't care about that stuff before
I think the movie should have leaned into the tone of the intro, that was the most grounded and effective part of the whole movie.
Like imagine the reintroduction of Yelena right before she is freed, but filmed in a way that shows she's basically a prisoner in her own body instead of generic spy action filmmaking. Use first person shots, use every trick in the book that communicates altered states of minds - and then show us the aftermath, and to communicate her regaining free will, go back to regular filmmaking to reveal to us the corpse of her liberator.
That movie had fairly powerful themes, but it was buried in over the top action schlock.
I don’t mind the “normal human MCU” because obviously there’s a demographic for it, and I enjoy it when it’s done well as it was in the winter soldier. But they really need to come up with some compelling plots and antagonists. The plot in TFATWS was so convoluted, and Karli was so lame. But if the story mainly took place in madripoor and involved an antagonist there I think it would’ve been way more interesting. As for black widow, it 100% should’ve been the mission in Budapest. They could’ve even kept the opening sequence with the fake family and her sister, and found a way to build up her character in the movie.
John Walker should have just been the main antagonist, and the conflict of the series is about him abusing the shield and Sam and Bucky realizing he needs to be stopped. Walker was the most compelling character in that series, and every time it cut away from him and focused on the flagsmashers or the stupid Power Broker shit, I was falling asleep.
Yelena carried Black Widow the same way John Walker carried TFATWS. The writers are too incompetent that the protagonists are too boring.
Also they were like superhumans like that scene where there where in a car that flipped over and kept smashing on the ground into the subway they should have died from that or be paralyzed for the rest of their lives but they jus got up with no blood and just started running again
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@@mezzb Galaga guy has more charisma than her. He should have been the main villain. It woulf perfectly fit for the suffocating jokey problems of Marvel films.
I feel like nobody is mentioning how the “heroes” cause an avalanche that most likely killed loads of people. Sure, many of them are criminals since it’s a prison, but STILL. Just give me movies with these characters being heroes instead of only saving the day when it’s a doomsday scenario.
@@TommyVProjects you realise the heroes caused the avalanche, not the bad guys, they purposely left hundreds of prisoners for dead
And it's never brought up again. No consequence. Nothing.
To be fair, none of them are actually "heros." It's completely within character of any of them to kill that many people and not care. Like red guardian said "Your ledgers must dripping red from all the people you killed."
i feel like in this movie that kind of works. none of the heroes are morally good people, maybe except for Natasha who switched lanes years ago and is still trying to do good by bringing down the Red Room. Even then though, we've seen how she killed Derykov's daughter for collateral, so even her morals aren't always straight. I guess they should have included a moment where Natasha plays the big sister role and criticises Yelena's choice to blow up that tower, but otherwise it weirdly works for me
i use to like black widow until endgame, this movie ruined it. I don't even want this movie to be canon
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4:37 Yes! It drove me nuts that they never touched on that. A character that has always wanted to fight Captain America, fights someone that knows all of his moves and the movie doesn't give that moment any significance.
And he just gets slapped around until someone saves him which just feels so cheap. "Oh we can't have someone apart from our protagonist beat the villain" at least let him take a shot at it! Maybe leave a wound! *Something!*
“Obama was president when that came out”
God that feels like a “do you feel old yet”
Civil War released in 2016 meaning that Spider-Man has been in the MCU for half a decade... good God time flies.
@@themadtitan7603 dear god
Literally said the exact same thing then immediately saw ur comment
@@themadtitan7603 wow
I mean he was president 5 years ago for Christ sake.
Im surprised the movie wasn’t rated r because of the way they brutally massacred taskmaster.
Lol but yeah. I'm a huge fan of Taskmaster and this is what we got in the MCU.
Holy shit i havent seen the movie yet and when i read task master i thought "who THE FUCK was taskmaster supposed to be in the clips he showed????" And i googled it and yeah wow im disappointed whyd they do my boy like that
Wait why? I thought task master was really fun in the movie. His fights were exciting
@@M53614 they probably are complaining because he wasnt how he was in the comics
@@bleacchy Exactly. We waited a long time for Taskmaster and they butchered him I mean HEr
I was so disappointed by our good ol' russian daddy. He goes on and on about being the one to bring down Captain America but he does next to nothing. His big final fight is just him getting pummelled until someone steps in to help, which just feels like a waste. They set him up as the muscle of the group but he doesn't win a *single* fight.
And the villians were, once again, really underwhelming. I was excited to see Taskmaster but her powers are underutilised as hell and she doesn't have an agenda of her own. On the other hand, our coldblooded criminal mastermind who manipulates the entire world... is baited into throwing a tantrum in like two sentences?
ive gotten so used to marcus’s criticism to the point where i can guess the score he will give the movie before he does it
I literally guessed correctly before I even watched the video
I was thinking lower cause hes usually more harsh than me and i hated it and would give it like a 3 so I was expecting atleast that or lower
Ikr
@@littledude6669 betcha if/when he does another retrospective it’ll sink
Who cares
I always saw this movie as sort of a "Victory Lap" for Scarlett. She's probably been doing this just as long as RDJ or Sam Jackson, and Marvel probably wanted to give her one final "farewell' with a movie of her own.
I thought the movie was fine. Definitely weaker than the shows right now. But it was decent enough and I won't say I hated my time watching it.
That’s the only reason it exists it feels like I agree. It feels like Marvel felt like they owed her her own movie after all these years so they just kinda threw one together for her.
Im just not interested in watching a victory lap
this movie was better than falcon & winter soilder and wanda vision imo. i dont think marvek does tv shows that well
They should have made the movie between Civil War and Infinity War
@@lewishamilton537 troll?
its weird I actually liked this film, I thought it was an interesting introduction to her family.
Nah, it ain't weird that you like this film. Have your own opinion 😁
Yeah, the family dynamic was the best part. All the family are alot more morally compromised and grey than the other Avengers. Natasha was willing to kill an innocent girl in order to kill her target. The Red Guardian had a warped perspective on success where he though sending girls he genuinely like and was attached to sent to the Red Room where they learn to kill countless people. He didn't send them there out of malice or apathy, but because that he though it gave them the best possible future and the mother was suffocating a pig just to show off her science experiment. It was interesting to see how both Natasha and Yelena react to their childhood. Natasha tries to completely reject her past by pointing out how their fake family was just a front for the Russians, while Yelena clings to this past because it was the only time she was happy and not a puppet. I quite like the first 2/3 of the movie. Wasn't a big fan of the finale with Taskmaster and the sexist glasses dude.
I guess I get that aspect of it, I just think it was stupid to market it as a black widow movie when it was mostly about the side characters lol, because I def cared more about them than her and it didn’t further her story in any way.
@@genevieveroy780 I think they looked at “birds of prey” and how that confused a lot of people went let’s not do that.
Plus, the sister is the new black widow so it still kinda makes sense
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