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Who was Irenaeus? In this video, we'll provide an in-depth exploration about the life and work of Irenaeus, who was an early Christian bishop in mid-late 100 AD.
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Irenaeus of Lyon claimed when he was young he listened to polycarp teach in Smyrna of Asia Minor. Polycarp had listened to the Apostle John teach when polycarp himself was young this means that Irenaeus got to hear reliable accounts of Jesus life and teaching from eyewitnesses although the detail of Irenaeus' birth are unknown, it's plausible that Irenaeus was a native of Smyrna.
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Thank you, the boldness of these early Christians is commendable.
Thank you for teaching us about the early heresies of gnostic teachings and about the saint whom exposed them all.
Yeah. The one that exposed Gnosticism as the crap it truly is.
Thank you for teaching church history. Very few people have any knowledge of the early church
Thank you, TO GOD BE ALL THE GLORY.
So, even the Apostle John said we should celebrate the Resurrection on Passover. That's very helpful.
Interesting comment, what do you mean it is helpful?
@@georgefuentes4112in short, it reminds those of us who are believers in Jesus Christ that His Resurrection, after 3 days and 3 nights, is a foreshadow of our own future resurrection. Also, it helps lead Jews who have yet to believe in Messiah to Messiah, if they really understand the meaning of Passover.
@JacobSanders-zc7sq Nonsense. All this discussion about when to celebrate Easter was settled even before the council of Nicea. There should be a difference between the Jewish pascha and the Christian one. The latter celebrates the resurrection of Jesus. It cannot be the same day as a celebration of the Passover, that would be confusing. Jews would convert or not has nothing to do with this. You basically want to jeudaise Christianity. Why don't you become Jewish?
Wow...Thank you for such great production work. It is important for any christian to be knowledgeable about the history of the church in a time where every christian is more and more called into question about their faith.
I am reading Iranaeus just now- it isn't easy reading but I'm finding it really relelvant to today's false new age spirituality. I really appreciate this video and it explains some of the heretical chaos in a simpler way. I'm just at the end of book 2- and now love this man. He is so important to the church now, as he was then. Saint Iranaeus pray for us.
We also get those dating of the book of Revelation at95 a d from this jackass when all of the scriptures including the book of Revelation was completed by 68ad
What's the name of these books I'm very interested in reading
" Saint Iranaeus pray for us.".....Iranaeus is dead and cannot pray for anyone. The belief that dead people can pray for people who are alive is pagan, and NOWHERE to be found in God's Word.
Why don't you pray yourself to God the Father through Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is in you if you are a child of God and he will direct your prayers.
Iranaus great man that he was is not omnipresent, omniscient or eternal. God is, pray to him.
@@TheRealRenn hebrew 12:22-24
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He also claimed that Jesus was over 50 years old when he was crucified in Jesus had a 15-year ministry
I was wondering why Christ came to Earth during this era, so I started reading about the early Church Fathers. Started reading Augustine of Hippo, then became intrigued so went back to earlier Fathers: Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, and Polycarp of Smyrna, Justin Martyr all wonderful reads, but when I got to Irenaeus of Lyons it became such a tedious read, I thought of skipping it, well your video added the proper contents i was missing...Thanks and God Bless
From learning about the church fathers one would think Christianity is a religion of knowledge and repeating the right things.
Thanks for the video, it helped me alot, God bless St. Irenaeus
Very interesting to hear early church history.
Listened again and again. Thanks!
God bless you for providing such information ❤✝️
Wonderful, thank you Mena and team, God Bless your work
Truly
Well done
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Fantastic 😊
Awesome information, thank you!
Matthew
Our pleasure!
I highly recommend reading Rod Bennett’s book, Four Witnesses for much more information on Irenaeus as well as Clement of Rome, Justin Martyr, and Ignatius of Antioch. If you’re a Protestant like I was, the book will seriously challenge you.
Good. Thanks.
Irenaeus was boy in Smyrna .He met Polycarp
Excellent lesson...
This was great. Book 3 chapter 3 in his writing is the best evidence I’ve seen of the authority of the bishop of Rome (Pope) in the early church. Also his apostolic succession detailed explanations.
So Iranaeus supported the Roman pagan antiChrist religion?
Why did St Irenaeus of Lyon had to go to Rome to talk to the Bishop of Rome St Eleuterious?
Because of Pope
Another great video!
Thanks again!
Thanks much for this video..
Great video! Thanks.
Thank you.
Thank you for your information.
Thank you for this video, it's truly Roman Catholics Church is true.
You totally left out all his teachingsbin his writing Against Heresies.
No he did not. When he says Ireneas pointed out …. He is saying a synopsis of what Iraneus taught. It’s super easy to get translations of Irenasus in ebooks or paper back.
All these personalities you mentioned were before protestant churches were born. So
There is no protestant 'churches'. There are rebellious men who introduced heresies...So 'to be deep in history is to cease to be protestant'. They are pretending to be God's own people.
Irenaeus of Lyon was the second Church Father I ever read over 20 years ago. Ignatius of Antioch was the first one I read of course lol. Everyone reads Ignatius first as they should but it is kinda funny that everyone chooses Ignatius to start out with first
You conveniently left out the fact that Irenaeus made a point of listing the first 13 Catholic popes from St. Peter through then pope Eleuthera, and that he stated the reason he listed them was to prove Apostolic succession as the way the papacy was continued from St. Peter forward.
There were popes at that time, this isn't history it's tradition of the Catholic church
I don't know about convenience of leaving it out. But I am glad you included it. I am interested in finding out more about the first 13 popes.
This is what I've found. Irenaeus did not make specific references to popes in his writings. The concept of the papacy as an institutionalized office with a list of specific popes and their reigns developed in later centuries. Irenaeus, a 2nd-century Christian theologian, primarily focused on theological matters, particularly combating heresies in his work "Against Heresies."
are you the channel operator and author of the video?
in the book "against heresies" *Third book Chapter 3*: What true tradition is 2.*
Irenaeus explains exactly why every church must obey the supremacy of Rome. There Irenaeus explains that every church can enumerate the apostolic succession, but he only does so for Rome, because otherwise it would go beyond the scope.
Conclusion :
So it is a misstatement to claim that the primacy of the Bishop of Rome is a later concept. that he explained and defended it against false teachers as early as the 2nd century AD.
😂😂😂😂😂 no one seems to have informed Paul of the primacy of Peter. Paul publicly castigated Peter in matters of doctrine with regard to gentiles, enforcement of Jewish dietary and ritual regulations😂😂😂😂 @@pluspunkt5512
Does anyone know where to buy “Against Heresies” from a trustworthy publisher?
Kindle
It does seem odd that before Iraneaus heard of the Gospels he as a Bishop believed that Jesus lived to an old age and died surrounds by friends and family. Catholicism changed radically after discovering the Gospels
Where did you get that from?
Gnosticism is almost certainly much older than the time of Irenaeus. in his Adversus Heresies, he descibes Gnostic teachers of his day as having "schools". how long had these "schools" been in existence, at the time of Irenaeous writings? the Gospel of John was writ to refute Gnostic's, and before that was writ, Paul wrote to refute Gnostics. it is very likely that Gnosticism was the first form of early Christianity. very likely, that early Christianity came from the Essene's. very likely too, that John the Baptist was an Essene.
Stupidity
Most Gnostics only used the works of Paul and rejected all other books of the New Testament.
The Gnostics believed the god of Moses was evil and not the same god as the father in heaven Jesus preached
@@tecumsehcristeroThat's what exposes them as the pretentious, know-nothing know-it-alls they are.
How did the aeons get inside the pears? 🍐
Great video.
Wish could get English xlations pf his Against Heresies. No access to research like this in this local.
Kindle has plenty. So do other ebook apps.
Like a kindergarten teacher reading a doctoral dissertation in quantum mechanics to her class.
So then why is the catholic church amillennial? St. Irenaeus had a lot to say about end time prophecy and he was not amillennial.
Many of these heresies are unkwongly practiced by the less theologically savvy Protestants.
Did you know the Celts had a triune God within their pagen worship?
min 6:44 “Away from the Universal Church.” You really can’t say Catholic Church.
It's seems like he can't😂
Nothing wrong here. Catholic means 'universal'. So, he's not wrong.
@@yeah1545 I didn't say he is wrong. Just can't say Catholic Church.
I am in no way against today's members of Catholic Church. But it is accurate to refer to the universal church when describing all Christians. It is confusing to refer to all Christians as the Catholic Church since the Catholic Church separated from the universal church.
@n8mail76 the Orthodox went into schism. Rome is still Rome. Where St Peter is, is still the Church.
Irenaeus’ Recapitulation theory of the atonement led him to believe that Jesus died as an old man no younger than 50 years of age. I won’t say this was a chief contribution to theology.
A critic of Gnosticism should not be one's only source on the ideas of Gnosticism. Would we trust zealous Soviets to give a fair account of the Western world, zealous muslims of Christianity or state media to tell us the truth about our governments?
Luckily we have a wealth of Gnostic writings from various schools of Gnosticism like Valentinians, Basilidians, Ophites, Sethians.
I wouldn’t consider the ebionites or Marcionites to be Gnostic because they had no “secret knowledge” which is how they got their name.
Gnostics simply referred to themselves as Christians.
@@tecumsehcristeroWell. But Gnostics as a whole were dorks.
John and Polycarp instructed the Eastern churches to observe Passover. They understood that the Feasts of YHVH are prophetic shadows of the Messiah. Jesus and Paul said the same. All of them are in agreement.
The Western churches adopted Roman observances like Easter to distinguish themselves from the Jewish roots of the original faith. Irenaeus is the Father of the Eurocentric Theological Model.
Jesus is the Passover Lamb, not the Easter ham.
Why not celebrate Passover and Easter?
@@kriegjaeger Easter is a pagan holiday that honors a fertility goddess. It is the definition of "pollution of idols." Acts 15:19-21
Jesus rose on Saturday around sundown. When the women arrived at the tomb on Sunday, it was still dark. Jesus was already gone. Easter attempts to associate Him with the sun god of Rome and Persia.
Deuteronomy 12:29-32
We inherited lies from pagan Rome. Jesus instructs us to leave Babylon. Revelation 18:1-4
@@the_jeremiah_16_19_project
I used to think the same about Easter being pagan but on looking into it and not so much that there is any esoteric meaning to the eggs or rabbit, there are some fuzzy (no pun intended) traditions but there's no goddess involved in what most people do. And the attempted association with a sun god fails because no one is aware of said sun god when worshipping Christ, even if it's on the wrong day.
I would say people who hold "Easter" celebrations with no mention of Christ and the Resurrection are obviously in the wrong. But if people aren't quite doing it right, I would expect the Holy spirit which can translate our groanings into prayers can also interperate meaningful worship.
Colossians 2:16 comes to mind, so long as their minds are intent on Christ.
@@kriegjaeger The bare-breasted fertility goddess Semiramis, also known as Ishtar, landed in the Euphrates River in a giant egg. She came out and turned a bird into an egg-laying rabbit to prove she was a goddess. Temple prostitutes would sell themselves on the altar of Ishtar. The next year, the 3-month old babies would be sacrificed, and their blood would be used to dye eggs.
Colossians 2:16 means exactly the OPPOSITE of what you have been taught. The entire chapter is instructing the new believers to not be intimidated by the the pagans. Verses 16-17 say, "do not let the pagans judge you because you eat kosher, observe the feasts of YHVH, his lunar calendar and his sabbaths. Only the feasts and holidays of YHVH could be the shadows of things to come, even the body of the Messiah."
We inherited lies. It's time to leave Babylon.
Revelation 18:1-4
@@the_jeremiah_16_19_project Easter is the Anglo-Saxon name for the season of Spring. English is the only language that calls Pascha (the celebration of the resurrection) “Easter”.
The English word Easter has no connection to the Semitic goddess called Ishtar.
All Spanish speaking Roman Catholics as well as Protestants refer to Easter or the holiday of the resurrection as Pascha which is what everyone who doesn’t speak English calls it. Pascha is the koine Greek translation of “Passover”
BTW I am NOT a Roman Catholic. But we are not allowed to spread misinformation and lies when speaking about the messiah or his bride, the church
Funny to see how quickly all seek to twist the truth to build materialistic or mystery cults when a new messiah tries to decode the divine vision without being corrupted by the adversary
And in Against Heresies, he listed ALL of the first 13 popes of the Catholic Church, in succession.
There have been 253 popes since, in an unbroken chain of Apostolic succession, from St. Peter to Pope Francis.
It is important to note that Irenaeus never refers to the bishops of Rome as popes (but only as bishops).
And that the two apostles Peter and Paul founded and organized the church in Rome, but not that either of them was bishop of Rome (as apostles they ordained bishops)
@@vvalchanovdon’t get hung up on the word pope because the bishop of Rome is synonymous. The important thing is that Irenaeus lists singular bishops back to Linus, then says this is important because this is where the two most important apostles die.
He doesn’t mention multiple bishops per city or bishops from other cities.
He makes a point of:
- singling out Rome, as superior to the other sees
- everyone (the church catholic) being in agreement with this see (Rome)
After reading some of the works of Irenaeus one can see how paganism was introduced into the Christian church leading to the Catholic church.
That is protestantism, pretending to be Christiamity. All your protests have failed against the Church. 'The gates of hell will not prevail against it, so we do know whose side you are working for.
It was Bishop Victor, not Pope Victor.
min 4:13. Why do you have such a hard time to say Catholic Church? It is hilarious that you use terms as global church.
Just saying.
Very true. It is basic dishonesty.
Nothing wrong here. Catholic has a meaning of 'universal'. So he's not wrong by saying 'Global Church'.
@@yeah1545 Not wrong, but still can't say Catholic Church, can he?
@@yeah1545 He is, because the Church is and always was catholic, never being ashamed to call itself such. ‘Global’ is a ridiculous modern heretical attempt for a counterfeit.
There is one God almighty. He who formed the world, he who fashioned man, he who is God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, above whom there is no other God. He is the father of our Lord Jesus Christ. For almost all the different sects of heretics admit that there is one God; but then, by there pernicious doctrines, they change this truth into error.
Amen
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus pbuh and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secret text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim [ line of ismail ]
@@theguyver4934
*The first Christians, until now, believed in the Trinity (the eternal God with His Word and Spirit). Don't tell lies and make up stories about other people's beliefs.*
In this somewhat brief post, I will be citing from a diverse range of Christian writings, dating from as early the first century. Some of these works include snippets from the Apostolic fathers, e.g. the men who knew the Apostles and/or were commissioned by them, as well as from pseudepigraphical material, writings which were falsely attributed to Apostles who did not composed them. It will become evident from this diverse range of sources that belief in the Trinity, Christ’s Incarnation and the Hypostatic Union (that Jesus is truly God and human) was early, widespread and universal.
*CLEMENT OF ROME*
Chapter 58.
Submission the Precursor of Salvation. Let us, therefore, flee from the warning threats pronounced by Wisdom on the disobedient, and yield submission to His all-holy and glorious name, that we may stay our trust upon the most hallowed name of His majesty. Receive our counsel, and you shall be without repentance. *For, as God lives, and as the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit* live - both the faith and hope of the elect, he who in lowliness of mind, with instant gentleness, and without repentance has observed the ordinances and appointments given by God- the same shall obtain a place and name in the number of those who are being saved through Jesus Christ, through whom is glory to Him for ever and ever. Amen. (Clement of Rome, First Epistle) Clement was a disciple of the Apostles who was even mentioned by Paul as a fellow laborer whose name was written in heaven: “I exhort Euodia and Syntyche to be of the same mind in the Lord. I ask you also, true companion, help those women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with my other fellow laborers, whose names are in the Book of Life.” Philippians 4:2-3 Modern English Version (MEV) Clement attributes to the Father, Son and Spirit a stereotypical formula that the Old Testament ascribes to no other heavenly Being except Yahweh: “Then she said, ‘Please let the king remember Yahweh your God, that the avenger of blood destroy not any more, lest they destroy my son.’ He said, ‘As Yahweh lives, not one hair of your son shall fall to the earth.’” 2 Samuel 14:11 World English Bible (WEB) “Elijah said to him, ‘Elisha, please wait here, for Yahweh has sent me to Jericho.’ He said, ‘As Yahweh lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you.’ So they came to Jericho… Elijah said to him, ‘Please wait here, for Yahweh has sent me to the Jordan.’ He said, ‘As Yahweh lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you.’ Then they both went on.” 2 Kings 2:4, 6 WEB
“Micaiah said, ‘As Yahweh lives, I will say what my God says.’” 2 Chronicles 18:13 WEB
“‘Therefore behold, the days come,’ says Yahweh, ‘that it will no more be said, “As Yahweh lives, who brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;” but, “As Yahweh lives, who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the countries where he had driven them.” I will bring them again into their land that I gave to their fathers.’” Jeremiah 16:14-15 WEB
“So Zedekiah the king swore secretly to Jeremiah, saying, ‘As Yahweh lives, who made us this soul, I will not put you to death, neither will I give you into the hand of these men who seek your life.’” Jeremiah 38:16 WEB
“Though you, Israel, play the prostitute, yet don’t let Judah offend; and don’t come to Gilgal, neither go up to Beth Aven, nor swear, ‘As Yahweh lives.’” Hosea 4:15 WEB
Seeing that Clement applied this OT expression to the Father, Son and Spirit, this highlights his Trinitarian beliefs. I.e., for Clement, God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are the very Yahweh whom the OT prophets worshiped.
The next citations need no commentary.Z
*Epistula Apostolorum (140-150 A.D.)*
1 The book which Jesus Christ revealed unto his disciples: and how that Jesus Christ revealed the book for the company (college) of the apostles, the disciples of Jesus Christ, even the book which is for all men. Simon and Cerinthus, the false apostles, concerning whom it is written that no man shall cleave unto them, for there is in them deceit wherewith they bring men to destruction. (The book hath been written) that ye may be not flinch nor be troubled, and depart not from the word of the Gospel which ye have heard. Like as we heard it, we keep it in remembrance and have written it for the whole world. We commend you our sons and our daughters in joy in the name of God the Father the Lord of the world, and of Jesus Christ. Let grace be multiplied upon you.
2 We, John, Thomas, Peter, Andrew, James, Philip, Batholomew, Matthew, Nathanael, Judas Zelotes, and Cephas, write unto the churches of the east and the west, of the north and the south, the declaring and imparting unto you that which concerneth our Lord Jesus Christ: we do write according as we have seen and heard and touched him, after that he was risen from the dead: and how that he revealed unto us things mighty and wonderful and true.
3 This know we: that our Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ is God the Son of God, who was sent of God the Lord of the whole world, the maker and creator of it, who is named by all names, and high above all powers, Lord of lords, King of kings, Ruler of rulers, the heavenly one, that sitteth above the cherubim and seraphim at the right hand of the throne of the Father: who by his word made the heavens, and formed the earth and that which is in it, and set bounds to the sea that it should not pass: the deeps also and fountains, that they should spring forth and flow over the earth: the day and the night, the sun and the moon, did he establish, and the stars in the heaven: that did separate the light from the darkness: that called forth hell, and in the twinkling of an eye ordained the rain of the winter, the snow (cloud), the hail, and the ice, and the days in their several seasons: that maketh the earth to quake and again establisheth it: that created man in his own image, after his likeness, and by the fathers of old and the prophets is it declared (or, and spake in parables with the fathers of old and the prophets in verity), of whom the apostles preached, and whom the disciples did touch. In God, the Lord, the Son of God, do we believe, that he is the word become flesh: that of Mary the holy virgin he took a body, begotten of the Holy Spirit, not of the will (lust) of the flesh, but by the will of God: that he was wrapped in swaddling clothes in Bethlehem and made manifest, and grew up and came to ripe age, when also we beheld it.
@@theguyver4934
*Quote from the church fathers on atonement*
👇
"We are redeemed by his blood and cleansed by his blood, and his blood is a ransom for our sins." - Polycarp of Smyrna (c. 69-155 AD)
"The Lord Jesus takes away our sins with His blood, and raises His body to give us eternal life." - Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35-108 AD)
"Christ paid our sin debt on the cross by giving his body as a ransom for us." - Ireneus of Lyon (c. 130-202 AD)
"No one can atone for our sin except the Son of God, who became man to take away our sins and free us from the penalty of sin." - Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD)
"In Christ's atonement, God showed His infinite love for us, because He forgave our sins and gave us eternal salvation." - John Chrysostom (c. 347-407 AD)
How endless accusations could be considered a proof ?
And his criticism never buy from gnostic sects. He can't explain why the world is still in suffering.
The founder of Christian theology is Yeshua. 🤦🏾♂️
Ultimately yes but the theologian of Christian thinking is Saint Paul as majority of his writings are majority of books within NT
Have any of you noticed that those who are known by their Fruits...are known by their Fruits!
But then, there is that "other strand", who are careful to list a detailed pedigree....proof of legitamacy!😮
Remove the fleece, nothing but a wolf.
Greek Mythology inter woven into philosophy. They wanted to get as far away as they can to Judaism.
no such thing as "popes" (as we know them) before the Romish/Roman church hierarchy was invented after 350 ad
Every organic or living thing grows, so is the church.
Irenaeus does write about the “Popes”. Book 3 chapter 3. In this ‘Against the heresies’. Search that. He lists the first 12 Popes to present day. And explains this structure Jesus started which every church must obey.
Popes invented the apostate catholic church. Jesus built his Church on Himself. WHO IS THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST?!? AS A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST, I AM THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST!
All he did was cement Gnostic belief in our modern-day churches and totally confused The book of Revelation
???
How so?
Which books in the western canon of scripture are Gnostic? Do you believe Paul was a Gnostic and that his teachings were/are Gnostic?
@@tecumsehcristero why do you think there's such a big comeback of the Gnostic. it's because nobody believes irenaeus of Lyons he said Jesus Christ was well over 50 years and had a 15 or a 20-year ministry! He's also the guy that we get the dating for the book of Revelation at 95 ad when everyone knows it was written well before the destruction of the temple in 70 ad. Believe me the heretics love this guy but everything he says is wrong. I'm seriously starting to doubt that he was even real actually! If you were trained under polycarp who was trained under the original apostles of Christ I'm pretty sure you should know that he was thirty-three years when he was crucified and he only had a three-and-a-half-year ministry.
@@tecumsehcristero just look at all the prosperity Gospel in the churches from Joel olsteen Benny hinn Joyce Meyers creflo Dollar I need the list goes on and on on
Nothing is more "absurd" than the crucifixion. What makes us sure sure iraneus was right. Jesus taught mant things in secret. Little about his life could be called logical
Are you on something? Are you tired? Or is English not your first language because I can’t make out what you mean to say.
Self-identifying as a Christian is not only a Gnostic problem, it's a big problem in the denominational world today. It would be better if members of denominations would simply reject God altogether so that the remaining Christians (true Christians) could be manifested.
Pretend Christians make it difficult for the world to see what it is to be a follower of Christ - which I guess is the goal. If you can't identify a Christian then you're liable to think it's just a figment of people's imagination.
Catholicism is true.
@@trishkearney Like CNN is true.
@@GizmoFromPizmo 'to be deep in history is to cease to be protestant'. There is no substitute for the truth. Like who would ever think to compare CNN with the Church. There is no point.
Irenaeus wasn't Catholic. That's a fact.
lol
He was a Calvanist/Lutheran/LDS/Methodist/JW/Anabaptist/Baptist..... should I say many more what he was
YOU are wrong read St Ignatius of Antioch 35-107AD. "Wherever the Bishop shall appear , there let the multitude of people be . Just as wherever Jesus Christ is , there is the Catholic Church . " These are the first words Catholic Church was written . St . Ignatius and St Polycarp were taught by St. John the Apostle and knew St. Peter and the other Apostles . Justin Martyr 100-165 AD. , St. Irenaeus of Lyons 180 AD. and many more all were Bishops of the early Catholic Church .Protestants follow heretics like Luther , Calvin and Zwingli they were Priests an excommunicated from the Church .
Hmmm
Full Marks for Ronald.... Conspiracy you still need to do a lot of home work.....
Hello Brother! Celtics or Keltics were different race from GAULS!
( GENESIS 10 : 3 )
" The CELTICS FOREFATHER was ASHKENAZ known as the ARC and ARTS BUILDERS! , Include BRITTONS WALES SCOTS IRISH MANX and CORNISH!
While you said GAULS they were children of HETHITES and Mix Marriage to the son of GOG son of REUBEN! Who dwells in the Nearby BLACK SEA! After the great natural Disasters they migrated via DANUBE River! and become great Families! Their LEGENDARY Hero was Charles magnae! Of now called by the Domination of France a GERMANIC TRIBE called FRANK!
HETHITES was the second son of CANAAN the younger son of HAMITIC RACE!
ISAIAH 46:11 GOLDEN EAGLE of the EAST!
ISAIAH 41:2,7 GOLDSMITH
EZEKIEL 17:7 MAHARLIKAN EAGLE!
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus pbuh and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secret text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim [ line of ismail ]
Romans 14:2 For one believes that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eats herbs.
Odd because it's quite clear that Jesus and the disciples ate FiSH 🐟 (so how can they be vegetarians xD) Islam came 600 years after so it's not even close to being contemporary BUT it does have some Gnostic madness in it's doctrine
"Muhammad was merely following in the footsteps of Basilides, the Valentinians, the Manicheans and other heretics of early times. (Tisdall, The Religion of the Crescent, p. 168)."
2 John 1:9 Whoever transgresses, and stays not in the doctrine of Christ, has not God. He that stays in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:10 If there come any to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2 John 1:11 For he that bids him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
read Galatians 1
As before the rise of Islam it was rebuked
And it will go over every other doctrine
Even some that may seems never been and some before their time for example
"The late 2nd-century Christian writer Irenaeus wrote about the teachings of a Gnostic leader of his time named Basilides, who claimed:
“He did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them. For since he was an incorporeal power, and the Nous (mind) of the unborn father, he transfigured himself as he pleased, and thus ascended to him who had sent him, deriding them, inasmuch as he could not be laid hold of, and was invisible to all,” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book I, Chapter 24, Section 4).
So basically Islam is just another gnostic schism 600 years after Christ that took in Hubal practices like bowing & kissing the kaba stone 🪨 yes you'll enjoy that full book by 2nd century Irenaeus who I believe out of many has The Spirit leading his doctrine rooted in the agreement of Jeremiah 31:32 & Hebrews 8 ending as there is no room for anything new outside the gospel
And another one the Trinity came way before the introduction of the Quran for example
First
I have scripture and early church apostolic writers quotes
"Ignatius a.d. 30-107
Since, also, there is but one unbegotten Being, God, even the Father; and one only-begotten Son, God, the Word and man; and one Comforter, the Spirit of truth; and also one preaching, and one faith, and one baptism;
The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelphians Chapter IV"
"Tertullian (160-215). African apologist and theologian. He wrote much in defense of Christianity.
“We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation . . . [which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” (Adv. Prax. 23; PL 2.156-7)."
"Therefore neither would the Lord, nor the Holy Spirit, nor the apostles, have ever named as God, definitely and absolutely, him who was not God, unless he were truly God.... For the Spirit designates both [of them] by the name, of God - both Him who is anointed as Son, and Him who does anoint, that is, the Father."
~Irenaeus who wrote around the year AD 185
Even his disciple agrees
“The Word alone of this God is from God himself, wherefore also the Word is God, being the being of God” (Refutation of All Heresies 10:29 [A.D. 228]).
~Hippolytus
"For next to God, we worship and love the Word who is from the unbegotten and ineffable God, since also He became man for our sakes, that becoming a partaker of our sufferings, He might also bring us healing. (Justin Martyr)"
"God the Word was made man for this reason, that that very nature which had sinned, fallen, and become corrupt should conquer the tyrant who had deceived it. (John of Damascus)"
Have you NOT heard
Truly the truth is that the Ancient of Days has begotten the Messiah who is the Word of God our God who is one with God United in The Holy Spirit even all 7 and in the end will give all things back to the Ancient of Days and be subject to his Father who is All and All
As said
Psalms 45:6 Your throne, O God(אֱ֭לֹהִים)Elohim, is for ever and ever: the scepter of your kingdom is a right scepter.
Psalms 45:7 You love righteousness, and hate wickedness: therefore God(אֱלֹהִ֣ים)Elohim your God((אֱ֭לֹהֶיךָ)Elohim, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
Isaiah 48:15 I, even I, have spoken; yes, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
Isaiah 48:16 Come you near to me, hear you this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, has sent me.
Isaiah 48:17 Thus said the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD your God which teaches you to profit, which leads you by the way that you should go.
Let alone
"Meeting at Nicaea in present-day Turkey, the council established the equality of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Holy Trinity and asserted that only the Son became incarnate as Jesus Christ. The Arian leaders were subsequently banished from their churches for heresy."
Are you trying to debate with 1st John 5 and 7? Well
Also
during this same time, we find mention of 1 John 5:7, from about 200 AD through the 1500s. Here is a useful timeline of references to this verse:
200 AD Tertullian wrote "which three are one" based on the verse in his Against Praxeas, chapter 25.
250 AD Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, "And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: "And the three are One" in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (see note for Old Latin)
350 AD Priscillian referred to it [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. xviii, p. 6.]
350 AD Idacius Clarus referred to it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 62, col. 359.]
350 AD Athanasius referred to it in his De Incarnatione
398 AD Aurelius Augustine used it to defend Trinitarianism in De Trinitate against the heresy of Sabellianism
415 AD Council of Carthage appealed to 1 John 5:7 when debating the Arian belief (Arians didn't believe in the deity of Jesus Christ)
450-530 AD Several orthodox African writers quoted the verse when defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the Vandals. These writers are:
A) Vigilius Tapensis in "Three Witnesses in Heaven"
B) Victor Vitensis in his Historia persecutionis [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. vii, p. 60.]
C) Fulgentius in "The Three Heavenly Witnesses" [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 65, col. 500.]
500 AD Cassiodorus cited it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 70, col. 1373.]
550 AD Old Latin ms r has it
550 AD The "Speculum" has it [The Speculum is a treatise that contains some good Old Latin scriptures.]
750 AD Wianburgensis referred to it
800 AD Jerome's Vulgate has it [It was not in Jerome's original Vulgate, but was brought in about 800 AD from good Old Latin manuscripts.]
1000s AD miniscule 635 has it
So may the work of Muhammad perish as he did to the Jews so it will be to the spirit of Ishmael
"In AD 627, Muhammad committed an atrocity against the last remaining major tribe of Jews in Medina: the Qurayza.
He beheaded the men and the pubescent boys and ENSLAVED the women and children."
allah of Islam is actually satan himself personally nothing to do with the real God
Muslims believe Jesus ate fish. Isa/Jesus was not a vegetarian. Show me in the Quran or Sunnah where it says isa/Jesus didn’t eat fish or meat and that he was vegetarian?
IRENAEUS OF LYONS IS NOT CHRISTIAN.!
St. Irenæis of Lyon is a canonised saints; here on earth he was a holy bishop, thus he is currently in heaven enjoying the beatific vision as promised of His Lord He followed. You're a nobody blasphemer and thus the ‘NOT CHRISTIAN’.
Catholic popes don't have the authority nor power to make any sinner a saint.
On what grounds do you make such a claim?
THERE ARE NO "CHURCH FATHERS" ONLY APOSTOLIC APOSTLES!
Why do you say that? What did Irenaeus say or do to make himself not a Christian?
This guy was a fool. If you knew what the gnostics knew, you would know that the LORD GOD allowed satan and fallen angels to creat this world, GEN chapter 1 is all about Elohim setting up everything in place to destroy us (FLESH). Proverbs 25:2 all things and may the LORD GOD BLESS YOU.
Seek out the kleck files to understand. Peace be with all those that have ears to hear and eyes to see. Love your brother in Christ-robert
Do you believe The Demiurge is the god of Moses?
Screw Gnosticism. It's a heresy for a reason.
Gnostics were the real fools.
It's disappointing that within a century of Christ's saving resurrection, that His followers split over such things that today continue to divide. Carry the burdens of one another. Be patient, longsuffering, and forgiving. Do not cause strife but seek to make amends.