You may want to check reduce motion and reduce transparency (for me i check on increase contrast) at Accessibility>Display. It will help for stage manager function.
I gotta say how well the 2012 MacBook Pros have held up over the years is insane, I have one that I mostly use for ripping DVDs these days, but if I replaced the battery it could be my daily driver. Easily my favorite laptop of all time.
I only replaced mine as a daily driver because the logic board died and it was cheaper to buy a new laptop than replace the board. Incredible laptops, along with the Mac Pro Cheesegraters I'd say they're amongst the best computers ever designed, in terms of form, usability and upgradability (in terms of the mac pro at least). I don't think Apple will ever surpass this kind of design/business ethos.
@@jchan0912 Maybe in the USA but wher I live its a lot higer. I did some research at the time and a replacement logic board was around £300. I also didn't have the skills to switch out a logic board on a daily driver and I had some work that needed doing to a deadline. A new windows laptop cost me £500. Didn't want to get a used macbook or a new macbook (which turned out to be a wise move as M1 macs were only a couple of years around the corner at the time). Otherwise, yeah I'd have got a cheap logic board and had a look
Machine is a mid 2012. Did the upgrade from Monterey and it runs without any lag, I'd say quite snappy for its age. 500gb ssd, 16gb ram, design software loaded (Photoshop, Illustrator, indesign all perform satisfactorily ) .Bluetooth and WiFi work well
@@linelaliberte I personally don't find anything of great advantage in my opinion, I guess different expectations. Maybe I might switch back to Monterey, not certain yet as im still testing things out for myself. Edit: Monterey is a pretty good OS I must say.
@@olisaashibuogwu3155 did you revert back to Monterey or did you continue to Ventura? my mbp-rd is running on Monterey but I'm trying to find out from other peeps on the performance with 2012 mbp/rd and Adobe programs. Thanks!
Hello, I am Korean. I thought about purchasing the 2012 mid macbook pro as a used one, and then I thought a lot about what to do with MacOS. But I saw your video on UA-cam, and I was able to get a lot of help. Thank you. There may be some errors in this article due to the translation machine, but I believe you will understand😀
I bought this model the other day after watching your video. I havent had any problems using this 11 year old machine. Its been working just fine for me.
I have a 15" mid-2012 MacBook Pro, currently on Big Sur (11.7.1) via OpenCore. I've noticed that Big Sur actually performs generally better than Catalina did -- better benchmarks and everything -- so I'm sticking with that for now. I think the highest I'll go with this machine is Monterey, and only when Big Sur support drops next year, just to buy me an extra year of use out of this machine (maybe by then I'll be happy enough with what Apple's making to sell a kidney to finance a new base-model MacBook Air or something). Really, the only disappointment I've had is that OCLP disabled my ability to use an eGPU (which I had enabled under Catalina via Kryptonite). The 15" does have its own discrete GPU in the NVIDIA GT 650M, so it's not too big of a deal to me (especially considering the fact that, as mentioned, Big Sur seems to perform better than Catalina did on the hardware its given), but on a 13" with only the HD 4000 graphics available, losing access to the external RX 580 would be a dealbreaker, even with the i7 model. I don't do much gaming, and the gaming I DO do is generally streamed via Steam, off a dedicated gaming PC. That said, native Mac games seem to run better under Big Sur vs Catalina, and Parallels seems to handle light gaming much better as well. I'm really not sure why that is, but it does go to show that support for these machines was potentially dropped prematurely (or, at least, arbitrarily) by Apple -- particularly when the 13" version of the mid-2012 MBP is technically still on the "Supported" list.
@clog Gaming Judging by the i3, I assume your Air is a 2020? I had a theory that the reason it runs better (for me) is because they've improved the hyperthreading usage in macOS: under Catalina, my i7 would often show -- under heavy load -- four cores at full and another four at maybe 20%. Now, under Monterey (I actually bit the bullet and updated to Monterey before I planned to), I get all eight cores -- real and virtual -- running at 100% (and I've got Macs Fan Control set to kick in when it breaks 120F, to (try to) prevent throttling). That's about the only difference I see, aside from the aforementioned increase in benchmarking: GeekBench went from 688 or so (single core) in Catalina to 717 under Monterey, and from 2601 to 2841 in multi-core results (I benchmark a lot because I'm a weirdo). Your i3 should show four logical cores, but I don't have any insight into why you wouldn't see the same sort of speed increase as I have.
@clog Gaming That really sucks, and I'd be totally disillusioned with Apple if a two-year-old machine struggled with everyday tasks, when the thing is "fully supported" by Apple. Are you still using Big Sur? Have you thought about jumping to Ventura? I doubt I'd make the jump on my machine just because of how they completely revamped Metal in Ventura, but the bigger changes in that OS might actually help your particular use situation. Either way, I hope the best for you and your Air. There really is no excuse for bad performance in a machine that new!
Hey i have macbook pro 13" 2012 with high sierra 10.13.6 i want to ask you if should upgrade it to Monterrey or should go with high sierra ? Will upgrading it unofficially to Monterrey will slow it down or will go smooth ?
@@praveensharma1938 Your mid-2012 will support Catalina 10.15.7 natively, with no modification, so you might want to update to that before going straight from High Sierra to Monterey. For 90% of use cases, Catalina will do perfectly fine. If you're still reliant on 32-bit applications, then I wouldn't upgrade past Mojave (10.14.6) because Catalina is the first version of macOS that killed support for anything other than 64-bit apps. The only reason I updated mine was because this is a machine I use for work, and I wanted/needed the newer features and continued security updates that Big Sur and Monterey will continue to provide. If you don't *need* the newer features of Monterey, then I would save yourself the headache of OCLP and so on and just stick with Catalina because, while I have had a good experience, that good experience comes with having to actively maintain my machine: keep checking for OpenCore updates, rebuild the EFI every so often to make sure it's got the best settings, tinkering with stuff. Again, because I'm a dork, I don't mind doing it, but if you just want to use the computer and not think about it, then... stick with Catalina (or Mojave, if you're 32-bit-reliant).
Monterey will last you about 1.5 years from now since Apple releases security updates for the current version + the 2 latest versions before that. As such, Ventura will give you about 2.5 years from now, which is a very respectable amount of renewal time. By the time that mid-2012 MacBook Pro will be retired, it will have lasted you 12 years of snappy, respectable use. I doubt any current-era Macs will be snappy and usable in 2034.
Great work with these videos mate. The amount of perfectly working hardware that is discarded each year is a shame. Thank you for your contribution and may the Apple gods keep the updates coming for as long as hardwarely possible✌️
I just installed Ventura on my Macbook pro 2012, and the Continuity camera works! You must first connect your iPhone via wired cable, then you can do it wirelessly.
This is great news. My 2012 15 inch MacBook Pro is still on Catalina but I was considering upgrading it to Ventura. Glad to see it works as well as it does.
I was an Android and Windows guy a few years back, but I have almost moved to Apple products. Your videos helped a lot. Thanks for your time. Cheers !!
I remember the Apple Watch screen unlocking being dependant upon an AC wifi/BT upgrade on the 2012's. Specifically, the slight bump up in Bluetooth version. It'll be interesting to see if the other continuity stuff that gave him problems in this video functions better with it as well.
Great video, I can confirm the firewire port works correctly, I tested an Apogee Duet Firewire and a LaCie fw800 enclore on my mid-2012 i7 13'' MacbookPro and both works well !
I have a M2 Macbook Air with Ventura and the settings menu are as sluggish as well. It's definitely a Ventura issue. On those older Macbooks with opencore, I'd stick with Monterey 12.6.3, still plenty of support and runs very well.
I'd really appreciate a video on how to upgrade the Bluetooth. The current option that I'm looking at involves shrinkwrap with a 12+6 to 30pin adapter. I'd really like to know if there is a better option. Thanks for the great videos!
Thanks so much for your extremely easy and thorough videos! I was able to upgrade my mid 2012 MacBook Pro to OS Ventura and it’s running faster than ever! I’m able to upgrade my Adobe apps and Microsoft too. Thanks a million!
concerning the lag in system preferences i can say that it has been an issue with macos its just that while clicking on a tab in the previous versions of macos, the system preferences would display loanding siri and passwords for instance. but in Ventura it seems to appear as ipad or iphones interface where we expect tabs to pop up instantly but the MBP 2012 is still a decent machine. I use it for light works and Djaying and it works 100% for me
New subscriber here, great content. I just upgraded my mid 2012 MBP 13 to Monterey from Catalina a few days ago. It's running great although I can't speak to multi drive function, I swapped it out for a second SSD during a major upgrade several months ago (RAM, SSDs, battery). However, I'm reluctant to make the move to Ventura since I had heard on UA-cam it's glitchy on some machines.
Well I don't have 2012 MBP but I do have the 2016 one, can tell you one thing, it works fluid with OpenCore shame on Apple for dropping the support for it early.... Plus I like the Stage Manager feature pretty neat :D
It works great, decently smooth. I have exactly the same MacBook Pro 13" mid 2012, the same RAM ans SSD. It requires some efforts, but one can adjust this laptop to work still great!
Excellent, thank you. I have a Late 2012 MBP which is 'stuck' on Catalina and no Apple OS updates. I hadn't even heard of Open Core Legacy Patcher until a few days ago.This looks like a good option to continue the lifespan of the MBP, especially given that it is still going strong.
THANK YOU for this testing! In the past, I know things were NOT this smooth because in 2021, with a Mac Mini 2009 I tried running one of the newer unsupported OS. Things like internal wifi did not work possibly due to the 32->64 bit transition and missing 64-bit drivers. I'm amazed this all works now!
Thanks for your tutorial and vids. In search of more performance, I went as far back as El Capitan on my Macbook Pro Late 2012 (10,2). I thought the older versions would be less resource hungry. Perhaps it is on paper but I just installed Ventura just to try, thanks to your helpful videos, and boy, it really runs much better!
@@showhubke you are right, but for now since it's not full metal support you'd be better off waiting, as an in place upgrade from Monterey will work fine once you feel like moving to Ventura
Thanks for this report... I'm thinking of using the patches to upgrade my 2012 unit, but was afraid of sluggish results... so it helps to hear that you feel Ventura is faster than El Capitan. Cheers!
Great video, probably the best macbook pro ever made, given the fact you have everything required to transfer data, i installed a bluray writer into mine, and it still looks as good as new, installed big sur without any issues, ventura will be my next upgrade.
i know how to fix the facetime hand off and continuity cammera , you should upgrade to macos monterey using open core then open software updates and ventura upgrade should be there i upgraded using this way and both worked for me I have same MBP as you do with 4 gigs ram and the spiny drive
@@Eevnos sure sir, I have by now have updated it to MacOS X 10.10 (Yosemite) and it works fine so far. I will upgrade it step by step by keeping a backup in Time Machine.
I had to do a clean install of it, because trying to update it from Monterey (also using OCLP) borked it. Interestingly, I could boot a 2017 iMac from that drive, via Tunderbolt and Target Disk Mode, but the MacBook would always KP when trying to boot it. Fortunately, I had done a Time Machine backup, and restoring from it worked for the most part (I had to reconfirm all Privacy prompts, and redownload my OneDrive files, but that was about it for changes to my setup). Now it works like butter, considering just how old the machine is and especially how bad equally old Windows PCs are by comparison.
@Evnos- I like how you like to get as much use from older macs, I'm the same way. I managed to instal Open Core patcher to my Mid2010 MacBook pro and I was able to upgrade to OS Monterey. I must say, everything is working near flawless. When I had Big Sur I wasn't able to use my monitor extension , pretty much all my video card settings were inactive and now with Monterey everything works. It blows my mind using a 12 year old mac running Monterey. I guess it goes to show you that Apple just wants you to to keep buying the latest newest shiny mac. - Not that I have anything against technology, especially when it comes to serving ones needs. But on the other hand, Apple makes exceptional products even if they are no longer supported. Which brings me to my original point, I like yo get as much life from my Macs as possible and now I will hang on to this 2010 MacBook Pro as long as I can. I have to ask you or anyone who reads this. DO you know if there is a patcher that will allow me to run High Sierra on my late 2007 Black MacBook A1181. I would love to have High Sierra or Mojave on that machine. And now all we need is some sort of patcher for the iPad. I'm still using my First Gen iPad- mainly for bluetooth and reading. :)
It sounds like it’s all good with the 2012 MacBook Pro then. I have no need for sidecar or using my trackpad on another apple device. That’s great to hear Final Cut Pro and GarageBand work well on it.I must snag myself on of these 2012 MacBook Pro’s.
Excellent content. Thank you. I have the same mid-2012 i5 machine that I picked up refurbished from Apple in January 2013. I upgraded it over the past 4 or 5 years (16GB, 1TB Samsung SSD, new battery, replaced keyboard, refreshed the thermal paste). With 10.15.7, I thought this would be it...until I saw your video followed by the video that you install Ventura. I'm inspired to take that plunge. Thought about trading this in a few years back until I priced out memory and storage options. After watching this video, I'm curious as to how long this laptop can remain in service.
Under MacOS Ventura, my 16GB RAM Macbook Pro M1 Pro runs slowly and consumes a lot of memory. I use graphically intensive applications. Using Time Machine, I reverted to the default system (Monterey).
Universal Control works on my 2012 MacBook Pro 15". I have upgraded my bluetooth/wifi (so unlock with Apple Watch worked) so that may be why. Mine also has a dedicated GPU but i dont think that matters as much
Currently running Ventura on my mid 2015 MacBook pro 15 inch. Some things I've noticed: Wifi disconnects when sleeping Profile picture disappears after sleeping Settings menu is a bit laggy Rest of the system works fine. Performance is good.
was considering buying a 2012 macbook pro, this sold me, i dont care about the apple device integration because i dont own any other apple products lol
I have 2014 MacBook Pro and I've stopped using it in 2021 because keyboard started to show age and batter replacement while it was a success.. Not sure if I want to carry it around with a third-party battery. But I was just bored with it and tired of the fan noise and upgraded to M1 Mac. It's interesting to see that 2012 Model, especially if it's on i7 is holding up that well.
I followed your guide and installed ventura on my mid 2012 MBP and it works fine. You are a gem. the only feature that is missing is airplay receiver. it worked on Monterey, that's why I am assuming it should work on Ventura too. can you throw some light on this?
I was able to get universal control working with my 2020 iPad Pro in my mid 2012 MacBook Pro both running iOS 16 and Ventura. My MacBook Pro does have a Samsung SSD in it.. maybe that’s the ticket. It is allowing me to click and drag photos from my iPad to move to the MacBook. But it seems like that’s the only size of a file I can move right now.
I will add, I still do have my OG stock hard drive in the computer along with a Samsung SSD, allowing me to work with two OS. After I did the installment of Ventura onto the SSD, Two Problems started to occur. First, The Wifi on the Stock Hard drive doesn't want to connect anymore. it still works with the SSD thats using Ventura, so i'm not completely out of the game. Just with the Original Hard, it doesn't want to connect. Second, with the SSD, After 20 minutes of letting the computer rest, the Screen turns on, and I'd have to reboot the computer in order to turn the screen back on.
Universal Control works (at least with Monterey) together with my iPad Pro 11 (2020) when upgrading the Wifi/Bluetooth adapter. I have a 2015 MBP Airport card in mine.
Hello ,I have a mbp pro 15 late 2011 with high sierra, but office and other basic programs are no longer compatible with high sierra, should I upgrade to catalina and big sur? What worries me is that my gpu fails to edit videos (I want to use it also to edit 1080 videos in davinci) and I am also worried about the security of my data, what should I do?
Nice video , thanks for the tutorial….Actually tried Ventura using OCLP on my MacBook Pro late 2011 but did not work properly, then tried Monterrey but it was having issues, like the photo booth , FaceTime, even maps were not showing so I decided to format the SSD and installed high sierra, and then installed Big Sur with Open Core Legacy Patcher 0.6.7 So far everything is working ok As for now I will stick with Big Sur until it’s no longer supported
Thanks for testing all this. Very good video. I still use my MacBook Pro 20212 15" (I7, 16GB, dual GPU) as my daily driver. I noticed that Microsoft Office doesn't update anymore on my Catalina Mac and also Fusion 360 now has a banner stating that Fusion 360 will require at least Big Sur from March 2023. Would it be worth it to update my MacBook via OpenCore Legacy Patcher? Also, I use Cubase Pro 12 on my MacBook... and DaVince Resolve 18. All in all it's no speed machine, but everything still works and I still love my MacBook very much. Would be great if I could use it for a couple of more years. :) Thanks again!
Hi, incredibly helpful videos! Any thoughts on if one should upgrade only from Catalina to Big Sur or go all the way to Ventura MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012, i7, 16 gB, 1tB SSD). Also, any thoughts/feedback on running VMWare Fusion / Windows 7?
The fact that my MacBook Pro 2012 can connect to my HomePod is amazing. The automatic switching with my AirPods Pro maxes works well just have to hit connect. only thing that doesn't work for me is messages.
I've just finish updating my Macbook Pro mid 2012 from Big Sur to Ventura. Somehow my termal shows 75 degress most of the time, previously on Big Sur, the machine run 60 degress most of the time. Anybody else experiencing the same thing?
For a 10 year old machine its holding up fairly well. Im ditching windows, and i bought a cheap 2015 macbook pro with a cracked screen which is fine, since it can be docked. Seeing how well the 2012 version is holding up, i might give it a go on mine aswell, even though Monterey is fine. :p
the only problem I have here on my Mac book pro 2012 upgraded to Ventura is that for the privacy and security section on setting , I'm unable to allow access for camera and microphone apps for WhatsApp and other apps, please I need an assistant on anyone who can set that up
You may want to check reduce motion and reduce transparency (for me i check on increase contrast) at Accessibility>Display. It will help for stage manager function.
Thanks for the tips, turning on "Reduce motion" and "Reduce transparency" does increase performance on my Mid 2012 Macbook Pro. 👍
@@ImpresifMediaDev hi, do u use the default resolution or scaled? cause i don't know if it affect performance on my MacBook pro 13 retina 2013. thanks
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I gotta say how well the 2012 MacBook Pros have held up over the years is insane, I have one that I mostly use for ripping DVDs these days, but if I replaced the battery it could be my daily driver. Easily my favorite laptop of all time.
I only replaced mine as a daily driver because the logic board died and it was cheaper to buy a new laptop than replace the board.
Incredible laptops, along with the Mac Pro Cheesegraters I'd say they're amongst the best computers ever designed, in terms of form, usability and upgradability (in terms of the mac pro at least). I don't think Apple will ever surpass this kind of design/business ethos.
The only really good apple computer. The rest are crapple.
I have a 15 inch 2012 I've replaced the hdd with a SSD which is much needed and later 16 gigs of ram and a battery makes it feel like its brand new
@@willm5032 replacing the logic board costs as low as $60 if you get one from ebay, depending on which cpu you want, js
@@jchan0912 Maybe in the USA but wher I live its a lot higer. I did some research at the time and a replacement logic board was around £300. I also didn't have the skills to switch out a logic board on a daily driver and I had some work that needed doing to a deadline. A new windows laptop cost me £500. Didn't want to get a used macbook or a new macbook (which turned out to be a wise move as M1 macs were only a couple of years around the corner at the time). Otherwise, yeah I'd have got a cheap logic board and had a look
Machine is a mid 2012. Did the upgrade from Monterey and it runs without any lag, I'd say quite snappy for its age. 500gb ssd, 16gb ram, design software loaded (Photoshop, Illustrator, indesign all perform satisfactorily ) .Bluetooth and WiFi work well
Olisa, I'm thinking to upgrade my old Macbook Pro 2012 Monterey ....is there advantage to upgrade to Ventura this old machine ?
@@linelaliberte I personally don't find anything of great advantage in my opinion, I guess different expectations. Maybe I might switch back to Monterey, not certain yet as im still testing things out for myself.
Edit: Monterey is a pretty good OS I must say.
Does your fan gets noisy when you open Photoshop?
did the same with a late 2012 mac mini and i can also say it workg AMAZING
@@olisaashibuogwu3155 did you revert back to Monterey or did you continue to Ventura? my mbp-rd is running on Monterey but I'm trying to find out from other peeps on the performance with 2012 mbp/rd and Adobe programs. Thanks!
Hello, I am Korean.
I thought about purchasing the 2012 mid macbook pro as a used one, and then I thought a lot about what to do with MacOS.
But I saw your video on UA-cam, and I was able to get a lot of help.
Thank you.
There may be some errors in this article due to the translation machine, but I believe you will understand😀
I bought this model the other day after watching your video. I havent had any problems using this 11 year old machine. Its been working just fine for me.
I have a 15" mid-2012 MacBook Pro, currently on Big Sur (11.7.1) via OpenCore. I've noticed that Big Sur actually performs generally better than Catalina did -- better benchmarks and everything -- so I'm sticking with that for now. I think the highest I'll go with this machine is Monterey, and only when Big Sur support drops next year, just to buy me an extra year of use out of this machine (maybe by then I'll be happy enough with what Apple's making to sell a kidney to finance a new base-model MacBook Air or something).
Really, the only disappointment I've had is that OCLP disabled my ability to use an eGPU (which I had enabled under Catalina via Kryptonite). The 15" does have its own discrete GPU in the NVIDIA GT 650M, so it's not too big of a deal to me (especially considering the fact that, as mentioned, Big Sur seems to perform better than Catalina did on the hardware its given), but on a 13" with only the HD 4000 graphics available, losing access to the external RX 580 would be a dealbreaker, even with the i7 model.
I don't do much gaming, and the gaming I DO do is generally streamed via Steam, off a dedicated gaming PC. That said, native Mac games seem to run better under Big Sur vs Catalina, and Parallels seems to handle light gaming much better as well. I'm really not sure why that is, but it does go to show that support for these machines was potentially dropped prematurely (or, at least, arbitrarily) by Apple -- particularly when the 13" version of the mid-2012 MBP is technically still on the "Supported" list.
@clog Gaming Judging by the i3, I assume your Air is a 2020? I had a theory that the reason it runs better (for me) is because they've improved the hyperthreading usage in macOS: under Catalina, my i7 would often show -- under heavy load -- four cores at full and another four at maybe 20%. Now, under Monterey (I actually bit the bullet and updated to Monterey before I planned to), I get all eight cores -- real and virtual -- running at 100% (and I've got Macs Fan Control set to kick in when it breaks 120F, to (try to) prevent throttling). That's about the only difference I see, aside from the aforementioned increase in benchmarking: GeekBench went from 688 or so (single core) in Catalina to 717 under Monterey, and from 2601 to 2841 in multi-core results (I benchmark a lot because I'm a weirdo). Your i3 should show four logical cores, but I don't have any insight into why you wouldn't see the same sort of speed increase as I have.
@clog Gaming That really sucks, and I'd be totally disillusioned with Apple if a two-year-old machine struggled with everyday tasks, when the thing is "fully supported" by Apple. Are you still using Big Sur? Have you thought about jumping to Ventura? I doubt I'd make the jump on my machine just because of how they completely revamped Metal in Ventura, but the bigger changes in that OS might actually help your particular use situation. Either way, I hope the best for you and your Air. There really is no excuse for bad performance in a machine that new!
Hey i have macbook pro 13" 2012 with high sierra 10.13.6 i want to ask you if should upgrade it to Monterrey or should go with high sierra ? Will upgrading it unofficially to Monterrey will slow it down or will go smooth ?
@@praveensharma1938 Your mid-2012 will support Catalina 10.15.7 natively, with no modification, so you might want to update to that before going straight from High Sierra to Monterey. For 90% of use cases, Catalina will do perfectly fine. If you're still reliant on 32-bit applications, then I wouldn't upgrade past Mojave (10.14.6) because Catalina is the first version of macOS that killed support for anything other than 64-bit apps.
The only reason I updated mine was because this is a machine I use for work, and I wanted/needed the newer features and continued security updates that Big Sur and Monterey will continue to provide. If you don't *need* the newer features of Monterey, then I would save yourself the headache of OCLP and so on and just stick with Catalina because, while I have had a good experience, that good experience comes with having to actively maintain my machine: keep checking for OpenCore updates, rebuild the EFI every so often to make sure it's got the best settings, tinkering with stuff. Again, because I'm a dork, I don't mind doing it, but if you just want to use the computer and not think about it, then... stick with Catalina (or Mojave, if you're 32-bit-reliant).
Monterey will last you about 1.5 years from now since Apple releases security updates for the current version + the 2 latest versions before that. As such, Ventura will give you about 2.5 years from now, which is a very respectable amount of renewal time.
By the time that mid-2012 MacBook Pro will be retired, it will have lasted you 12 years of snappy, respectable use. I doubt any current-era Macs will be snappy and usable in 2034.
Great work with these videos mate. The amount of perfectly working hardware that is discarded each year is a shame. Thank you for your contribution and may the Apple gods keep the updates coming for as long as hardwarely possible✌️
I just installed Ventura on my Macbook pro 2012, and the Continuity camera works! You must first connect your iPhone via wired cable, then you can do it wirelessly.
This is great news. My 2012 15 inch MacBook Pro is still on Catalina but I was considering upgrading it to Ventura. Glad to see it works as well as it does.
Hello. Is it still stable for you 6 months later?
@@joshuamigadde I actually decided to just go to Monterey. That one is working just fine.
I was an Android and Windows guy a few years back, but I have almost moved to Apple products. Your videos helped a lot. Thanks for your time. Cheers !!
Yeah definitely want to see how it will work when you upgrade the Wifi and Bluetooth chips.
Thanks!
I’m going to look at putting that together.
I remember the Apple Watch screen unlocking being dependant upon an AC wifi/BT upgrade on the 2012's. Specifically, the slight bump up in Bluetooth version. It'll be interesting to see if the other continuity stuff that gave him problems in this video functions better with it as well.
@@Eevnos Would you mind sharing the part(s) to buy? If it will help speed up webpage loads, I'd like to get the part and upgrade it on my 2012
Great video, I can confirm the firewire port works correctly, I tested an Apogee Duet Firewire and a LaCie fw800 enclore on my mid-2012 i7 13'' MacbookPro and both works well !
Does it still works? after upgrade software? ventura?
I have a M2 Macbook Air with Ventura and the settings menu are as sluggish as well. It's definitely a Ventura issue.
On those older Macbooks with opencore, I'd stick with Monterey 12.6.3, still plenty of support and runs very well.
From my testing, Ventura MBP 2012 FireWire 800 (FW) port is functional using external HD and Audio Interface (MOTU 828 MK3 FW)
Yes, please do a WiFi upgrade video.
Amazing video!!! Could you please do an up-gradation on the wifi and Bluetooth… 😊
I'd really appreciate a video on how to upgrade the Bluetooth. The current option that I'm looking at involves shrinkwrap with a 12+6 to 30pin adapter. I'd really like to know if there is a better option. Thanks for the great videos!
Thanks so much for your extremely easy and thorough videos! I was able to upgrade my mid 2012 MacBook Pro to OS Ventura and it’s running faster than ever! I’m able to upgrade my Adobe apps and Microsoft too. Thanks a million!
Hi, not sure if you’ll read this, but, have you had any problems running the Adobe apps with Ventura?
Hi, not sure if you’ll read this, but, have you had any problems running the Adobe apps with Ventura?
Hi, is it running faster?
Recently got a mid 2012 i7
And your videos helped me out
THANK YOU!!!!
the best thing about these non-retina 2012s is that they are the last macbook pros which are actually still upgradable
concerning the lag in system preferences i can say that it has been an issue with macos its just that while clicking on a tab in the previous versions of macos, the system preferences would display loanding siri and passwords for instance. but in Ventura it seems to appear as ipad or iphones interface where we expect tabs to pop up instantly but the MBP 2012 is still a decent machine. I use it for light works and Djaying and it works 100% for me
I've done all my older pros using your video and they all work perfectly
That's fantastic!
That's great to hear and thanks for letting me know!
Please make a video on upgrading the wifi Bluetooth card not a lot of videos out there and it is needed for these machines to be even better
Definitely would like to see this as well
New subscriber here, great content. I just upgraded my mid 2012 MBP 13 to Monterey from Catalina a few days ago. It's running great although I can't speak to multi drive function, I swapped it out for a second SSD during a major upgrade several months ago (RAM, SSDs, battery). However, I'm reluctant to make the move to Ventura since I had heard on UA-cam it's glitchy on some machines.
Ive upgraded mine to monterey but it became slower than before what do i do....its lagging....catalina was running well i use 16gb or RAM
Please do a video about how to do an update the wifi and bluetooth on these machines.
yes please do an airport card upgrade video! I'm using my 2012 MBP with a bluetooth speaker and sometimes it's really not good!
Well I don't have 2012 MBP but I do have the 2016 one, can tell you one thing, it works fluid with OpenCore shame on Apple for dropping the support for it early.... Plus I like the Stage Manager feature pretty neat :D
OpenCore working almost as well on my 2008 13” MBP. Nice to breathe useful life from older hardware.
I was able to upgrade my Macbook Pro 2012 i7 variant to Ventura yesterday. IMO, it was snappier than when it was on Monterey.
Hey mate, would you mind doing the video on how to upgrade the bluetooth? That would be awesome!
Hi there. I’d be interested in watching a video on upgrading WiFi and Bluetooth if you found the time to make it. Thanks for todays informative vid.
Did you find any videos
Thank you for this video! Excited to give the old mac a new life.
Don’t know how or why but my continuity camera works!
Specs: 500gb hdd- 10gb ram and iPhone 11
Thx no one has done this yet! I was skeptical about using and old mac but you showed me it’s working fine! Great
when lid is closed it doesnt go to sleep
then when opened you got your desktop right there no lock nothing
Thanks! Super clear explanations, install worked smoothly just like with monterey
Universal control just worked for me.
You have really put some love on this video. It might have taken some time. Good job!!!
It works great, decently smooth. I have exactly the same MacBook Pro 13" mid 2012, the same RAM ans SSD. It requires some efforts, but one can adjust this laptop to work still great!
Excellent, thank you. I have a Late 2012 MBP which is 'stuck' on Catalina and no Apple OS updates. I hadn't even heard of Open Core Legacy Patcher until a few days ago.This looks like a good option to continue the lifespan of the MBP, especially given that it is still going strong.
Oh, well. I wanted to update to Ventura because of the continuity camera. Thanks for this follow-up video!
It works?
@@s.engineer4502 No, continuity camera doesn’t work in old Macs.
@@madhawarock thanks
this video was informative and fun to watch keep up the good work:)
Your video inspired me to upgrade my 10,1.
Cheers,
Didnt solve my overheating issues, so I guess its time for another heatpipe replacement.
Just installed this on my 2014 MacBook Pro wanted to use logic but needed 12.7 or later so just downloaded 13.3.1 and it works completely fine
THANK YOU for this testing!
In the past, I know things were NOT this smooth because in 2021, with a Mac Mini 2009 I tried running one of the newer unsupported OS. Things like internal wifi did not work possibly due to the 32->64 bit transition and missing 64-bit drivers. I'm amazed this all works now!
Thanks for your tutorial and vids. In search of more performance, I went as far back as El Capitan on my Macbook Pro Late 2012 (10,2). I thought the older versions would be less resource hungry. Perhaps it is on paper but I just installed Ventura just to try, thanks to your helpful videos, and boy, it really runs much better!
I'd say Monterey is safer, a lot less bugs, it's basically extremely close to fully working natively!
@@Zebra_Paw its just on its first versions probably the near future the security updates will fix
@@showhubke you are right, but for now since it's not full metal support you'd be better off waiting, as an in place upgrade from Monterey will work fine once you feel like moving to Ventura
Your gonna be stuck with running only older software if your on el captain
Thanks for this report... I'm thinking of using the patches to upgrade my 2012 unit, but was afraid of sluggish results... so it helps to hear that you feel Ventura is faster than El Capitan.
Cheers!
Great video, probably the best macbook pro ever made, given the fact you have everything required to transfer data, i installed a bluray writer into mine, and it still looks as good as new, installed big sur without any issues, ventura will be my next upgrade.
Wait for the graphics acceleration patch.
i know how to fix the facetime hand off and continuity cammera , you should upgrade to macos monterey using open core then open software updates and ventura upgrade should be there i upgraded using this way and both worked for me I have same MBP as you do with 4 gigs ram and the spiny drive
Yes please post a video on upgrading wifi and Bluetooth on 2012 MB Pros
First time I installed it as an update and noticed very poor performance then i did it as a clean install and the performance improved a lot
Thanks sir, I am also updating my old Macbook pro mid 2012. I think these videos will help.
Excellent!
Let me know how it goes!
@@Eevnos sure sir, I have by now have updated it to MacOS X 10.10 (Yosemite) and it works fine so far. I will upgrade it step by step by keeping a backup in Time Machine.
I had to do a clean install of it, because trying to update it from Monterey (also using OCLP) borked it. Interestingly, I could boot a 2017 iMac from that drive, via Tunderbolt and Target Disk Mode, but the MacBook would always KP when trying to boot it. Fortunately, I had done a Time Machine backup, and restoring from it worked for the most part (I had to reconfirm all Privacy prompts, and redownload my OneDrive files, but that was about it for changes to my setup). Now it works like butter, considering just how old the machine is and especially how bad equally old Windows PCs are by comparison.
@Evnos- I like how you like to get as much use from older macs, I'm the same way. I managed to instal Open Core patcher to my Mid2010 MacBook pro and I was able to upgrade to OS Monterey. I must say, everything is working near flawless. When I had Big Sur I wasn't able to use my monitor extension , pretty much all my video card settings were inactive and now with Monterey everything works. It blows my mind using a 12 year old mac running Monterey. I guess it goes to show you that Apple just wants you to to keep buying the latest newest shiny mac. - Not that I have anything against technology, especially when it comes to serving ones needs. But on the other hand, Apple makes exceptional products even if they are no longer supported. Which brings me to my original point, I like yo get as much life from my Macs as possible and now I will hang on to this 2010 MacBook Pro as long as I can. I have to ask you or anyone who reads this. DO you know if there is a patcher that will allow me to run High Sierra on my late 2007 Black MacBook A1181. I would love to have High Sierra or Mojave on that machine. And now all we need is some sort of patcher for the iPad. I'm still using my First Gen iPad- mainly for bluetooth and reading. :)
Firewire does work. Confirmed.
Great video! Thank you for posting and best of luck with your channel
It sounds like it’s all good with the 2012 MacBook Pro then. I have no need for sidecar or using my trackpad on another apple device. That’s great to hear Final Cut Pro and GarageBand work well on it.I must snag myself on of these 2012 MacBook Pro’s.
Universal control worked for me
Excellent!
It worked for me too, maybe it depends on the iPad model?
Yes it's excellent. Especially on a 15 inch with high resolution anti glare display.
MacBookAir 6,2 works great. Only issue - weather app bombs consistently. Not a show stopper, but I thought I'd let you know. Thanks.
late 2012 Mac mini 16 gig with ssd, will attempt to try
Thank you, a very informative video. You definitely put a lot of work into it.
Excellent content. Thank you. I have the same mid-2012 i5 machine that I picked up refurbished from Apple in January 2013. I upgraded it over the past 4 or 5 years (16GB, 1TB Samsung SSD, new battery, replaced keyboard, refreshed the thermal paste). With 10.15.7, I thought this would be it...until I saw your video followed by the video that you install Ventura. I'm inspired to take that plunge. Thought about trading this in a few years back until I priced out memory and storage options. After watching this video, I'm curious as to how long this laptop can remain in service.
May I ask what keyboard did you use to replace your older one ?
@@18thSTVATO Replacement keyboard from ifixit. Installed nearly three years ago. Working fine. Very pleased.
I am still using my late 2013 MBP on Ventura for work and desperately waiting for the MBP M2 Max... hell please don't delay anymore
This is great i have a mid 2012 that i mainly use for nvr config-appreciate the info
Continuity Camera might work now. It was a bug which got fixed by the OpenCore team.
Its good for now?
I have a Macbook Air Mid 2012 with ventura it works great!
Excellent video! Thanks!
You're welcome!
I have a somewhat updated video coming out this weekend as well.
Under MacOS Ventura, my 16GB RAM Macbook Pro M1 Pro runs slowly and consumes a lot of memory.
I use graphically intensive applications.
Using Time Machine, I reverted to the default system (Monterey).
We're waiting for the WiFi/Bluetooth module update video!!
Universal Control works on my 2012 MacBook Pro 15". I have upgraded my bluetooth/wifi (so unlock with Apple Watch worked) so that may be why. Mine also has a dedicated GPU but i dont think that matters as much
You are Goodman keep this value.
Currently running Ventura on my mid 2015 MacBook pro 15 inch.
Some things I've noticed:
Wifi disconnects when sleeping
Profile picture disappears after sleeping
Settings menu is a bit laggy
Rest of the system works fine. Performance is good.
was considering buying a 2012 macbook pro, this sold me, i dont care about the apple device integration because i dont own any other apple products lol
I have 2014 MacBook Pro and I've stopped using it in 2021 because keyboard started to show age and batter replacement while it was a success.. Not sure if I want to carry it around with a third-party battery.
But I was just bored with it and tired of the fan noise and upgraded to M1 Mac.
It's interesting to see that 2012 Model, especially if it's on i7 is holding up that well.
Mid 2012 MBP with i7. Upgraded ram from 8 to 16 gigs, and to ssd. Sticking with Catalina since its running great. Good to know there are options tho.
I followed your guide and installed ventura on my mid 2012 MBP and it works fine. You are a gem. the only feature that is missing is airplay receiver. it worked on Monterey, that's why I am assuming it should work on Ventura too. can you throw some light on this?
I was able to get universal control working with my 2020 iPad Pro in my mid 2012 MacBook Pro both running iOS 16 and Ventura. My MacBook Pro does have a Samsung SSD in it.. maybe that’s the ticket. It is allowing me to click and drag photos from my iPad to move to the MacBook. But it seems like that’s the only size of a file I can move right now.
I will add, I still do have my OG stock hard drive in the computer along with a Samsung SSD, allowing me to work with two OS. After I did the installment of Ventura onto the SSD, Two Problems started to occur.
First, The Wifi on the Stock Hard drive doesn't want to connect anymore. it still works with the SSD thats using Ventura, so i'm not completely out of the game. Just with the Original Hard, it doesn't want to connect.
Second, with the SSD, After 20 minutes of letting the computer rest, the Screen turns on, and I'd have to reboot the computer in order to turn the screen back on.
Universal Control works (at least with Monterey) together with my iPad Pro 11 (2020) when upgrading the Wifi/Bluetooth adapter. I have a 2015 MBP Airport card in mine.
Hi may I know your patched MacBook model and what airport card you replaced? Wanna do the same upgrade, thanks
Thanks for the info Vince Vaughn!
Come on now, I’ll take the Mark Ruffalo comments I get, but Vince Vaughn is a stretch. 😂
@@EevnosHow about Brian Dennehy?
Great content, and awesome Stargate shirt!
nice vid. i still have one of this old boys, macbook pro 2012 13' :)
I AM REALLY INTERESTED IN THE UPDATE OF WIFI AND BLUETOOTH ON THE SAME MACBOOK PRO 2012 AND ALSO 2010
love your t-shirt!
Hello ,I have a mbp pro 15 late 2011 with high sierra, but office and other basic programs are no longer compatible with high sierra, should I upgrade to catalina and big sur? What worries me is that my gpu fails to edit videos (I want to use it also to edit 1080 videos in davinci) and I am also worried about the security of my data, what should I do?
Firewire Works! I have an Western Digital My Passport Studio and setup Time Machine on it!
Nice video , thanks for the tutorial….Actually tried Ventura using OCLP on my MacBook Pro late 2011 but did not work properly, then tried Monterrey but it was having issues, like the photo booth , FaceTime, even maps were not showing so I decided to format the SSD and installed high sierra, and then installed Big Sur with Open Core Legacy Patcher 0.6.7
So far everything is working ok
As for now I will stick with Big Sur until it’s no longer supported
That's because you have a nonmetal GPU which breaks certain apps in Monterey
Yes FireWire works great!!!.. Used my old Apple monitor camera over 16 years old works like new!!!
I had problems with widgets when I tried to swipe left on trackpad
Upgraded 2014 Mac Mini with OCLP , no Continuity Camera.
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Thanks for testing all this. Very good video. I still use my MacBook Pro 20212 15" (I7, 16GB, dual GPU) as my daily driver. I noticed that Microsoft Office doesn't update anymore on my Catalina Mac and also Fusion 360 now has a banner stating that Fusion 360 will require at least Big Sur from March 2023. Would it be worth it to update my MacBook via OpenCore Legacy Patcher?
Also, I use Cubase Pro 12 on my MacBook... and DaVince Resolve 18. All in all it's no speed machine, but everything still works and I still love my MacBook very much. Would be great if I could use it for a couple of more years. :) Thanks again!
Fantastic!
I would upgrade at least to Monterey, it's a little bit faster than Ventura and will allow you to download those updates to your apps.
@@Eevnos thanks for the advise! I’ll make a backup and do the upgrade! 🙂
Can you please try this on a 2017 MacBook Air? Thanks!
Hi, incredibly helpful videos! Any thoughts on if one should upgrade only from Catalina to Big Sur or go all the way to Ventura MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012, i7, 16 gB, 1tB SSD). Also, any thoughts/feedback on running VMWare Fusion / Windows 7?
The fact that my MacBook Pro 2012 can connect to my HomePod is amazing. The automatic switching with my AirPods Pro maxes works well just have to hit connect. only thing that doesn't work for me is messages.
I've just finish updating my Macbook Pro mid 2012 from Big Sur to Ventura. Somehow my termal shows 75 degress most of the time, previously on Big Sur, the machine run 60 degress most of the time. Anybody else experiencing the same thing?
I have been trying to add Ventura, but I get a black screen after the efi boot.
All I see is your Stargate tee-shirt 🤩
For a 10 year old machine its holding up fairly well. Im ditching windows, and i bought a cheap 2015 macbook pro with a cracked screen which is fine, since it can be docked. Seeing how well the 2012 version is holding up, i might give it a go on mine aswell, even though Monterey is fine. :p
i put ventura on my macbook pro with 16gb and SSD and still get the rainbow spinnig wheel and 4 minutes to boot? any idea?
the only problem I have here on my Mac book pro 2012 upgraded to Ventura is that for the privacy and security section on setting , I'm unable to allow access for camera and microphone apps for WhatsApp and other apps, please I need an assistant on anyone who can set that up
i can't print or scan on my mbp 101 ventura OS, my printer hp deskjet using usb connection