One of my ancestors was in Monmouth's army. He and his brother were condemned to death. Their Father was wealthy and offered the King money to release his sons. The King allowed only one son to be pardoned, leaving the Father to choose. Fortunately for me, I'm related to the chosen son.
The Pole family had two of the most gruesome botch jobs. The Duke of Suffolk in 1450 was executed by having his neck sawed through by what was described as a rusty sword. Around 75 years or so later, the Countess of Salisbury, herself the daughter of someone who had been executed by drowning in a wine barrel, was, per one account, chased around her cell by a swordsman who kept swinging away but scored few clean hits. Small wonder Henry VIII imported a French swordsman to execute Ann Boleyn.
So I googled & there is a portrait of him (eyes closed, neck covered, lying down as if asleep) that could be an 'after death' portrait. That's almost as creepy as his death was horrific.
I know the portrait you mean. It's in the National Portrait Gallery. Sir Roy Strong, its one time director, said that it wasn't Monmouth, unfortunately.
@@brandyjean7015 Don't worry, you aren't the only person who thought it was Monmouth. It was called that for years. The legendary beauty, Lady Diana Cooper, said that she used to go to the gallery especially to see it. Like you, she was disappointed when Sir Roy said it wasn't Monmouth.
Yes, that's true--Fort Monmouth! Being a serviceman himself, I remember my father took myself and my siblings to see the old fort there. Don't know if it yet stands today, but it's certainly an event I well remember.
Perhaps Ketch actually felt Monmouth should have been the rightful inheritor and maybe hated James. Thus he found it hard to do the deed. We will never know.
Cathrine Howards exceution rivals this carnage. The job of the axe man was reportedly a 16 year old boy, complete novice and lacking the pyhsical strength his feeble swings hacked away as the blows struck her head, neck and shoulders with a dull blade. Not exactly a quick death
Do you get this from the TV show? There is nothing in the historic account to suggest her execution was botched. It was described that her head came off with one swing of the ax.
It’s called a regional accent. They used to educate it out of people, or at least prevent them from working in broadcast media, but sadly it’s become very fashionable these days...
To kill somebody is a far harder task than we could ever imagine. It's the ultimate taboo, that will haunt us, were we to break that defining barrier between life and death. You better do the job cleanly and swiftly, as a botch-up is unthinkable and will stay with you forever. Needless to say, to be a Public Executioner, only psychopaths and butchers should ever apply.
@Cara ha ha I don’t even remember writing my comment It was during the week I went all obsessed with medieval torture stuff Dark but fascinating Ultimately just depressing
Imagine a time when the life expectancy, and work required to simply survive, was such that it was normal to began taking on the responsibilities of an adult as a preteen. Now it's "normal" to see people in their 30's ugly-crying on social media because someone used the wrong pronoun. If that's not progress, I don't know what is.
it isn't progress no, not all preteens and pre teens are without adult responsibility, especially in the land of the free where there is no social care or free medical care because kids often have to become carers.
Good video, but don't forget Edmund of Woodstock (Earl of Kent), half brother to Edward II; after King Edward's 'alleged' death in 1327 (no proof), Edmund was executed in 1330 by a convicted murderer who did the deed in exchange for a pardon as no-one else was willing to perform the act of his demise.
It's the quickest, surest way, if it's a very sharp guillotine. Electrocution is especially horrible... you're just being cooked from the inside-- the new age burning at the stake.
James II was a disastrous King in every way. Monmouth no doubt would have been much better. History took its revenge on James by ousting him from the throne. He was replaced by his daughter Mary II and a more distant relation, William III. They were far better.
If English is not your native language, then there are always he closed captions that you can activate and periodically pause the video in order to look in a dictionary
It’s called a regional accent. They used to educate it out of people, or at least prevent them from working in broadcast media, but sadly it’s become very fashionable these days...
Did anyone else find Ketch getting away with ANOTHER botched execution as tragic and infuriating as I did? I would've started a riot then and there! (If they did and I just somehow missed it then good for them!)
I can’t help but think Ketch’s incompetence is intentional. Maybe even a source of pride for the king. *other king “I employ the finest executioner in Europe.” *this king “I use the biggest dumbass I could find and give him the dullest piece of shit to do the job. Nobody gets away too easily. Hahahaha.”
ome listening to music so why all this execution chat. its mind boggling depressing..so take your executions far far away and if i wss there i would run far far away
One of my ancestors was in Monmouth's army. He and his brother were condemned to death. Their Father was wealthy and offered the King money to release his sons. The King allowed only one son to be pardoned, leaving the Father to choose. Fortunately for me, I'm related to the chosen son.
It must be crazy to know about how one decision made hundreds of years ago that affected your entire existence.
Congratulations....
Reminds one of the novel and movie "Sophie's Choice" in a way. How horrible for a parent to have to choose.
What an evil man!
That's beyond just cruel. And I see the country let him off lightly in the end. (Good for breaking the cycle, I suppose.)
You come from a weird family tree, cool but weird 👍🍺
The guillotine on the other hand, never misses.
It isn't always sharp, though.
I heard that the execution of Louis XVI went really badly, and the blade actually jammed halfway through his head. Apologies if I was misinformed.
I told them to use the 'Halifax Gibbet!'
Best in't World!
@@ianlacey6588 You are absolutely correct. Louis had a thick neck, so instead of slicing his head right off, the blade slid slowly through.
But does get dull and can hang up in the blade track and fall at a reduced speed. A rather nasty, but still entertaining affair 🍺
This is nuts! Great video and historical review of it.
You have created an excelent history program here. Thanks for your presentations. Very informative.
If only Monmouth had waited a little while the whole country would have just put him on the throne.
People need to learn to be patient
The Pole family had two of the most gruesome botch jobs. The Duke of Suffolk in 1450 was executed by having his neck sawed through by what was described as a rusty sword. Around 75 years or so later, the Countess of Salisbury, herself the daughter of someone who had been executed by drowning in a wine barrel, was, per one account, chased around her cell by a swordsman who kept swinging away but scored few clean hits.
Small wonder Henry VIII imported a French swordsman to execute Ann Boleyn.
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I agree I throughly enjoy them to.
So I googled & there is a portrait of him (eyes closed, neck covered, lying down as if asleep) that could be an 'after death' portrait. That's almost as creepy as his death was horrific.
Could you give us the link
I know the portrait you mean. It's in the National Portrait Gallery. Sir Roy Strong, its one time director, said that it wasn't Monmouth, unfortunately.
@@michaelmontagu3979 bummer.
@@brandyjean7015 Don't worry, you aren't the only person who thought it was Monmouth. It was called that for years. The legendary beauty, Lady Diana Cooper, said that she used to go to the gallery especially to see it. Like you, she was disappointed when Sir Roy said it wasn't Monmouth.
@@michaelmontagu3979 I'll get even: I'll name my next rooster Sir Roy.
Those guys look like members of the Who and Led Zeppelin
To add insult to injury, they named a place in NEW JERSEY after him!
Yes, that's true--Fort Monmouth! Being a serviceman himself, I remember my father took myself and my siblings to see the old fort there. Don't know if it yet stands today, but it's certainly an event I well remember.
I believe Ketch was invariably pissed when carrying out his duties. I know I would have been.
Perhaps Ketch actually felt Monmouth should have been the rightful inheritor and maybe hated James. Thus he found it hard to do the deed. We will never know.
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Is there a "botched execution index" to help you choose?
What a way to get your name in the history book-- an executioner who had trouble executing- maybe he just needed glasses
Maybe he was just the original troll
Wow that’s, umm, quite a portrait of James I lol. It’s very, idk, flamboyant lol. Great video as always
🏆🏆🏆👍🇺🇲🙏
Thank you for sharing
that's why you should have KPIs in your job. The KPI of executioner must be one swing .
Crowned, not coronated
Cathrine Howards exceution rivals this carnage. The job of the axe man was reportedly a 16 year old boy, complete novice and lacking the pyhsical strength his feeble swings hacked away as the blows struck her head, neck and shoulders with a dull blade. Not exactly a quick death
Do you get this from the TV show? There is nothing in the historic account to suggest her execution was botched. It was described that her head came off with one swing of the ax.
You are thinking of Mary Queen of Scots
The execution you refer to was Thomas Cromwell
Can’t listen to this monotone drone. Could you not try and vary it?
It’s called a regional accent. They used to educate it out of people, or at least prevent them from working in broadcast media, but sadly it’s become very fashionable these days...
Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
Does anyone know what became of Ketch in the months/years afterward ?
GEEZ ! Ketch sure knows how to botch a job . Yuk !
People are crowned not coronated.
Interesting story, the duke of Monmouth was just one of many who received botched execution
To kill somebody is a far harder task than we could ever imagine. It's the ultimate taboo, that will haunt us, were we to break that defining barrier between life and death. You better do the job cleanly and swiftly, as a botch-up is unthinkable and will stay with you forever. Needless to say, to be a Public Executioner, only psychopaths and butchers should ever apply.
The Duke should have gone full Karen and asked to speak to the manager
Maybe he was secretly instructed to botch it
Maybe he was so good he made it look like he was bad?
I’m on Ketch’s side
@Cara ha ha I don’t even remember writing my comment
It was during the week I went all obsessed with medieval torture stuff
Dark but fascinating
Ultimately just depressing
@Cara you too 😃
So what happened to ketch
It’s always a good idea to insult the guy who’s about to execute you.
Imagine a time when the life expectancy, and work required to simply survive, was such that it was normal to began taking on the responsibilities of an adult as a preteen. Now it's "normal" to see people in their 30's ugly-crying on social media because someone used the wrong pronoun. If that's not progress, I don't know what is.
it isn't progress no, not all preteens and pre teens are without adult responsibility, especially in the land of the free where there is no social care or free medical care because kids often have to become carers.
@@kirkhunter146 what?
I can't help a sneaking suspicion that Jack Ketch kept his job because the king liked the fact that he botched his executions.
Earl of Doncaster is a large art deco pub in Doncaster
Chop chop!
And yet they kept using jack. You got to think it was deliberate. Not accidental as the video implies.
They liked Jack because he was a real cut up😃
It's always wise to wear fresh stockings and a clean skirt if you're being executed, and don't forget that lovely wig.
Oh yea. Next let's hear about botched electrocutions. You know. Where the head starts on fire and the dude is screaming, more ! more !
Yep. I don't know who came up with electrocution... it's the worst thing since burning at the stake.
Look up Jesse Tafero. (Edit: who happened to be innocent).
Still not nearly as bad a job as was done on Blessed Margaret Pole.
Good video, but don't forget Edmund of Woodstock (Earl of Kent), half brother to Edward II; after King Edward's 'alleged' death in 1327 (no proof), Edmund was executed in 1330 by a convicted murderer who did the deed in exchange for a pardon as no-one else was willing to perform the act of his demise.
Don't forget Edmond duke of Edinburgh, but I am sure Edward is dead by now though.
Head chopping should never ever be used to execute. It is just to awful.
It's the quickest, surest way, if it's a very sharp guillotine.
Electrocution is especially horrible... you're just being cooked from the inside-- the new age burning at the stake.
No one should be executed. It's barbaric. If you must chop someone's head off then the French nailed it.
Why? If it’s done properly, it should be one of the quickest and least painful deaths possible.
The British sure do love their "titles."
Interesting topic but can't listen. This dude's voice is just too awful
Wonder if that's where ketch up came from. It's red and all.
Wow, you would of thought the one job an axe man should know how to do well, sharpen a axe
James II was a disastrous King in every way. Monmouth no doubt would have been much better. History took its revenge on James by ousting him from the throne. He was replaced by his daughter Mary II and a more distant relation, William III. They were far better.
If this palaver doesn't exemplify the need for a sharp blade I don't know what does
*pokes axe blade*
Hey waaaait a minute!
How unfortunate
My Maiden name dates back to the Quakers
And your first name dates back to 2 days ago (it’s Thursday as I’m writing this).
I'm sorry, but the narrator's accent is so hard to understand what he is saying☹️
If English is not your native language, then there are always he closed captions that you can activate and periodically pause the video in order to look in a dictionary
It’s called a regional accent. They used to educate it out of people, or at least prevent them from working in broadcast media, but sadly it’s become very fashionable these days...
Everybody can have an off-day at the job.
You could say his head wasn't in it
Someone forgot give him a heads up😏
Damn, always Jack Ketch
…….bruh why was Ketch in charge of executions if he was so bad at it-
Lol who kept giving this guy work?
Did anyone else find Ketch getting away with ANOTHER botched execution as tragic and infuriating as I did? I would've started a riot then and there! (If they did and I just somehow missed it then good for them!)
Wonder what happened to Jack Ketch.
I think he invented ketchup😂🪓
@@altesta5560 😂🤣
He died in 1686.
2:10 bro looks like Roger Daltry.
Damn they fucked up the Duke good.
... and he kept his job?
I can’t help but think Ketch’s incompetence is intentional. Maybe even a source of pride for the king.
*other king “I employ the finest executioner in Europe.”
*this king “I use the biggest dumbass I could find and give him the dullest piece of shit to do the job. Nobody gets away too easily. Hahahaha.”
Nobody else probably wanted the job… I think I saw where Ketch was a heavy drinker- that would explain a lot.
He deserved it.
after two whacks of an axe through his neck, he was still screaming out? I call bs
It was well observed and documented. This was due to the axe only catching a piece of the neck each time.
Axes brute force their way things, they are not sharp like a knife or sword.
McClintock
ome listening to music
so why all this execution chat. its mind boggling depressing..so take your executions far far away
and if i wss there i would run far far away
Not a good time for on the job training. Maybe let him chop wood for a bit first.
I thought their most botched execution was of their food. It’s just so 🤢
Ever been to England?
Beans, stewed tomatoes, and blood pudding for breakfast! 🤮
@@Frankie5Angels150 ain’t that the same exact shit you be having, Skeezer pops main.
Good, the western world dont use more this kind of barbarian methods
Jack Ketch sucked. 🧐
Finding a good executioner in those days is akin to the Democrats finding a decent presidential candidate.
Yep, you should have had Bernie, still Bideymans better than the orange traitor eh?
@Donald Atherton you obviously set the bar exceedingly low.
Crowned. There is not such word as "coronated." A "coronation" is a crowning.
There is now! 😆😂🤣
Both Webster's and Collin's dictionaries seem to think that there is.
I’m sure I had coronated chicken in my sandwich the other day...
5:51 to skip the nonsense and get to the choppy choppy part.
You’re welcome.
Everything before 5:51 was interesting too.
Damn pops Although I know your times coming, but slow your role, main skeezer jeezer.