I think she blocked it with her arm,but yeah it's still kind of improbable how she just easily brushed it off,should have broken something or at least had her hurting for a bit
As you can see here at 21:18, Joel effectively mobilized the threat of the incoming gunman by pulling the handgun off of the gunman’s hand, hitting his back, which resulted in him taking possession of the weapon and thus protecting himself from the threat. This is Commander Dave from Detroit Urban Survival Training speaking.
22:30 right here. When you watch the beginning of the the last of us, and fast forward to this moment. This parallel b/w his biological daughter Sara who was killed and Ellie. This second chance when he called her “baby girl” is why the majority of the fanbase will love Joel. Because of the heartfelt journey we’ve been through with him
Damn I played the remastered version on the PS4 so many times and I just barely realized that the beginning of the game is just like the ending when Joel is carrying Sara/Ellie
After that iconic moment with Negan in The Walking Dead, everyone wanted a piece of that style of killing. I noticed certain things in entertainment started doing it in a similar fashion after that moment in TWD!
@@Derl30 he did the right thing. They never asked her for her permission and they failed the operation loads of times before killing the patient every time. Boggles my mind how it's still debated to this day whether he was in the right or not. Abbys dad deserved to die just like all the others in that hospital.
@@peakdennis1 I mean, I wholeheartedly agree. Marlene and co handled the whole situation fucking horribly. Abby who? There is no sequel to the Last of Us...
@@VimaKsper6286 Me too. I want a prequel to the first game with both Joel and Tommy as the main protagonists. That would be fantastic. Hope this will become real in the future.
Imo Joel should’ve been the main protagonist again in part 2 but they fked up so hard And whoever actually likes to play as Abby and hates Joel never played the original game
I'm surprised Joel was just a smuggler, he knew a great interrogation method, was great with basically any weapon he picked up along with being good at hand-to-hand combat, and despite being well past his prime he could overpower just about anyone he came across. Not to mention he was also incredibly smart or at least street smart seeing past most traps because of his experience. Honestly I thought he would some high end mercenary but I guess he had to be a smuggler for the plot. edit: oh ya and he has stupidly high durability.
@@kazzng2087 sad to see you’re still under that delusion. What the hell did a homosexual character have to do with the writing decisions you didn’t like?
I totally agree. Imagine Joel two years later the beginning of the first chapter, full of anger and trying to survive, would be the epic ending for this saga
Don’t get me wrong it’s a fantastic idea, but here’s the thing what exactly would be the objective? Just survive? Not exactly the coolest thing if you get my meaning
@@alextorres2067 I think it's a problem that not many take, it's an empty idea compared to the first game, and it doesn't sell, maybe that's why they decided to make the HBO series, although Ellie's idea of revenge is also empty, the second game is, maybe rather this prequel would be about someone surviving and assimilating the traumas of losing their daughter, perhaps the best thing is a dlc, explaining how Joel and Tommy survived It would be better to be flashbacks that Joel has when Ellie got angry with him for lying to him, while Joel assimilates that would show us the flashbacks of how I assimilate the loss of Sarah.
26:30 I refuse to believe that this is the same guy who would just causally walk in to a hideout full of strangers who are armed with no protection himself.
Several years of living comfortably inside of an insulated community, growing and changing to better love the one closest to you as you age and become wiser, will do that to you. I refuse to believe that the only people who play such a complex piece like The Last of Us are the brain dead who have no sense of character
@@The4j1123 oh yeah, because he totally wasn’t living in a quarantine zone comfortably for years on end with people who respected him and a woman who he was definitely banging🤦🏻 dumbest fuckin excuse I’ve ever heard.
@@The4j1123 You made it sound like there's no apocalyptic pandemic happening outside the walls filled with thieves and murderers trying to survive the harsh world lmao. If Joel was killed inside the community then I'll accept your statement. There's literally 20 years to teach everyone to arm themselves whenever they're outside of their own safety. You try to insult everyone by being brain dead. But I only see one brain dead person who's trying to defend a story that's literally hanging by a single piece of tape and two strings.
That’s exactly what I thought when I finished the game for the first time. It’s why I’ve never had a problem with Joel’s actions. Marlene tried to make the decision for both of them. She prepped Ellie for surgery without letting Ellie know what was going to happen, and she made sure to do it before Joel regained consciousness so he couldn’t object to it. She screwed herself because she tried to take control of a situation she had no right to command. Everyone talked about how Joel made a selfish decision, but Marlene was the one being selfish by taking the choice away from the people who would’ve been most impacted by it
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 I think its because Marlene knew that Joel would not have allowed Ellie to go one through with it, he had the capacity to persuade her.
That's why I know her saying "its what Ellie would have wanted" is nonsense. They didn't even wait to get her consent for the operation because Marlene didn't want to risk losing the moral high ground on the off chance Ellie said no. The whole time she wouldn't even empathize with Joel saying that her suffering was worse, and there's no real guarantee the operation would have resulted in a successful vaccine. That's a big part of why I ultimately don't really care that Joel stopped the Fireflies
That interrogation scene is one of the most badass moment in video game history, we don’t need a movie for that, this game is a masterpiece movie itself, an art
Bro got his liver pierced, survived a whole group of raiders, killed half the fireflies alone... Oh but according to Drunkman he had to die in the hands of a group of teenagers with a golf club LMAO
To be fair, I did that too on my first playthrough, because I thought they would stab me in the back or something if I tried to take off with Ellie before dealing with them. It looked so risky, so I decided to play it safe. Didn't know they would just stay put and keep cowering. With the way this game likes to surprise you so often, you ain't taking no chances by the end of it. Obviously not the case here, though. He just killed em for the hell of it.
I love Joel as a protagonist, he has a lot of depth and is a flawed hero, it really shows just how human he is. In the end he was selfish to save Ellie because he probably knew she'd let herself die to save humanity, but that selfishness makes him human and I know a lot of us would've done the same. Plus you can kinda see why Ellie is mad at him, not just because he let the world die but he did slaughter a lot of people in that hospital, people who were trying to do the right thing
Well, at this point the world is already dead, and the fireflies appeared to have a grand total of three doctors, and very old, run down medical equipment in an even more run down dilapidated hospital. Synthesizing a vaccine would’ve taken time, if it was even possible. And if they somehow managed to do it, they also appeared to have no plan or ability to distribute it around the world and likely would have hoarded it for themselves. Because that’s how humans are. So idk if I would say Joel “Let the world die” but yeah, slaughtering a hospital full of people that were probably the only ones left who had half a chance of making a vaccine was an extremely selfish action, but it wasn’t set in stone that they would have even made a vaccine, let alone distribute it.
@@fivestarguy100 yeah that's true, it was just a "chance" at a vaccine it wasn't set in stone, but yeah Joel is just a really interesting character because he's not perfect and I think that's why we connect to him and love him the way we do as the player
He was completely in the right to save her. They never asked her for her permission and they tried the operation multiple times before and multiple people died for nothing but the operation to fail before. Fuck abby and her asshole dad. Part two is one of the worst games ever made.
Dude, what makes you think it’s right to let Ellie die on the very tiny chance a cure can be created in a decrepit and unsterile operating room run by people who’s skill in the matter you question? Selfish? More like realistic. The most obvious outcome of Ellie being dissected there is that anything they gain from her is contaminated and rendered useless by the environment or the people there mess it up.
No one mentions how the endings of Part I and Part II mirror one another with the main character mowing through an entire group to save someone - the only difference is Joel did out of love and Ellie did out of hate
@@grey6545 if you don't count the context of the scene yes becouse of how ruthless it is. Its the same when people make a edit of how cool is Joel for take down the hospital and Jerry.
PEDRO PASCAL ACTUALLY REENACTED THE 16:10 SCENE SO WELL IN THE NEW TLOU SERIES. I REALLY HOPED THE PRODUCERS WOULD INCLUDE THIS MOMENT AND I'M NOT DISAPPOINTED 💯⚡
25:43 one of the best twists/parts. The idea that Marlene, a person who was entrusted to protect Ellie, chose to try and sacrifice her for her own vain cause... even if the cure was a success and not another repeated failure, she clearly did not love Ellie as a parent does. Any mother or father who loves their child would not sacrifice them for the entire world. The world was a cruel place before the apocalypse, and only became more savage in the aftermath. The idea that somehow, by ending the spread of cordyceps, everything would magically be more civilized after the world fell apart... insane.
Right. What I think is even more idotic is how when joel and ellie arrive at the base, they immediately get her prepped for surgery. Not even letting Joel see her one last time or let them be in the same room, be told how the vaccine will be made, the risks, and a choice of whether to do the surgery or not. Making it a possible but slim chance that Joel would allow it to happen even if he didn't like the idea. Complete ignorance on the fireflies, smh
I wouldn't call fighting to save the human race a "vain" cause. The world does not revolve around one life. if I was the cure, go ahead and kill me. My life will matter. The OG world was far from perfect....but sure as hell better than this new hell. One life vs the lives of everyone else? Joel deserved to die.
@@croc560 I want you to think about the person or any living thing you love more than the world. Your significant other, your mother, your father, your dog, etc. Now you're going to watch me cut its brain out, for a 50-50 chance at saving the human race. And also, the thing I'm killing, doesn't get a say in the matter. They're gonna be asleep. When you love a person, for real, you will not let them die if you can help it. Even if it means the lives of everyone else, or even your own. Joel loved Ellie. Marlene did not, and valued her cause more than her life. Any rationale you make "for the good of mankind" is irrelevant, especially when you consider how fucked up the human race can be. Even before the apocalypse, there was still slavery, mass genocides, abuse of the lower class, etc. Even if it was guaranteed that there was a vaccine that worked, when the virus was gone, I'm pretty sure either FEDRA, the Fireflies, or another group would attempt to leverage the vaccine for more power, or even if somehow they were generous with the cure, they'd still abuse that power to become a world power.
@@ghostwhencodghosts9114 nah fr they must be forget about joel character or just have personal hate to him. Cause ain't no way he's that dumb joel in part 1 could solo abby and her whole fraud gang with ease
From the point of veiw as a broad whole, what he did seems truly terrible. From the point of veiw of a father whose already lost a daughter, his actions are completely understandable. I mean why should he give up her life for a buch of strangers he has never met, in a world that is already horribly self-serving. Why should he be the saint? At the very least i love joel for the fact he's a badass, while being relentlessly human. A good protag.
I remember that section when Joel carries Ellie at the hospital, I took a wrong turn and the game basically shows a cutscene of Joel getting executed but it didnt feel like a game over cutscene, I actually felt like that was it. kind of a "lets see how long you last but youll die anyway". I was devastated for a second and then I respawned and all was good lol.
They missed the blood pooling under Joel when he gets “crofted”. I remember seeing the blood pool and thinking “holy shit this is bad” I don’t get that same reaction here.
Another thing I noticed is after he wakes up in Winter he used to move extra slow to show the injury he's been through. In the remake he moves at full speed.
@@Jozombies115 is it really like that now? I havent played the “remake” I played the original ps3 and ps4 remaster dozens of times. I wanted to see some differences. And this is enough to turn me away. I love part 1 and part 2. Can’t wait for the series but ND definitely took a big swing and missed with this.
@@TimSandals Don't get me wrong the few details they messed up fucking bother me, but they got most of it right. For example the leaked footage showed a garbage revolver that took two shots to kill but in the game it's a one shot always. I would call the overall experience of the remake better for the most part.
I can’t stress enough on how good this game is to people who haven’t played it , I’ve beat it a total of 4 times , and will remain the best game I’ve ever played
Don't really care about this franchise anymore part two completely ruined it so I wouldn't even play a joel prequel. Whole game would be spent knowing he eventually gets beaten to death by a transgender with golf club. Na ill pass thanks.
No we dont, what a boring game that would be, joel and tommy as hunters killing innocent people during those 20 years, some things are better left unsaid. This is not marvel where every little thing has to be turned into its own story
Compared to Deacon, Joel is a much more interesting character with a lot of depth, even the acting is better and of course the writing for his dialogues is superior, Deacon was alright but it's not even near to Joel's level
the amount of skill that Joel displays throughout the game show how terrifying he must of been during the middle stages. I want to see how fucking merciless Joel was with Tommy to make sure they survived. Joel finally having a reliable skill set and connections afterwards is probably the only reason he could get into Boston.
I like how the nurse begs and says she didn't want to die, but 3 seconds before she had absolutely no problems cutting into the skull of a child to dice her brain up like she was cooking chili for the super bowl party. Always makes me chuckle.
Bro that had nothing to do with her will to live and doing a job plus she probably thought what she was doing was right since ellie was immune to the disease
@@perrylee5867 it has everything to do with it. When the choice is in her hands she showed no qualms about taking a life. Regardless of her reasoning. But when the choice is taken out of her hands she pleads for mercy even though she never offered ellie the same chance. I don't care what her reasoning is, if it involves murdering children it's evil regardless of circumstances
@@JohnDoe-ligma how shes Doing what she felt was right for humanity whos th say she even wanted to do it every one says joes is fine though for dooming humanity and saving ellie when she would have rather them go through with the prcedure in the first place u talk about evil like joel and ellie have commited evil acts throughout the whole fuckingg game from The beginning
@@perrylee5867 ellie was brainwashed by the fire flies. Her own mother told that chick to protect her. But when she thought she could get something out of it, she was willing to betray ellie mothers trust and turn ellie into a martyr. And there's absolutely no guarantee that the cure would've worked. Ellie didn't even have an option to say yes or no they didn't even bother to wake the poor girl. They wheeled her in to rip her apart before she even had a chance to know what was going on. Joel never did nothing wrong. The fire flies needed to be wiped out. Like I said when you start murdering children you lose the moral high ground. There's no excuse.
@@JohnDoe-ligma usually your absolutely right but in this situation outside factors have to be taken into consideration……. Their world is ruined and they constantly have to deal with. Millions of infected on top of hostile ass bandits and the fact that their probably forced to live in what would be basically sardine cans and constantly have to kill hunt and fight to survive….. when you take that into consideration I’d look at it as less evil and more a shitty pair of choices
Joel knew that rescuing Ellie was wrong, he didn't have a single argument against Marlene. He was purely driven by his emotions and the fear of losing his daughter again, and his last bit of humanity with her. This game, and its sequel, are here to tell us that there's no true good or bad in the real world, and egoism exists everywhere. Joel is not a villain, but he is no hero.
To be fair, Joel knew no matter what he said Marlene was dead set on her view of the "greater good" and would just be wasting time, he said all he needed to to with "You keep telling yourself that BS." Because the argument is obvious, they never gave her a choice they drugged her and knocked her out, planned to open her up to scrape her brain, and threaten to kill him just for showing his disapproval. Not to mention the fact that there was never a guarantee of this working, getting samples of the "mutated cordyceps" from Ellie doesn't mean instant vaccine, it meant they can start looking into trying to make one, which is still a long shot considering the lack of resources and manpower Marlene clearly said they don't have in this broken world. Yes they are both extremes to the possible choices to be made and in the end Joel was the winner, but both were still not great choices.
Well not really the fireflys handle the situation purly they didn't even Give the chance to Ellie to Say goodbye to Joel or ask if She wanted to do It and in the game Is multiple time show how much the fireflys are disorginize
Joel leaving Ellie hanging and not giving her a high five was definitely the reason abby killed him, I mean who leaves someone hanging like that. Pure Savagery 😂😂
Hands up for a prequel, see Joel’s change…and how he meets Tess. See him with the hunters, got going through the loss of his daughter ….see what made him this guy
Jesus, that final scene is just so much more fucked up than I remember. This remaster encapsulates the emotions so well. Joel knows he did something terrible, but his emotions drove that decision, and it’s very evident.
Honestly, fuck Marlene and Jerry and the whole lot of them. They betrayed Ellie's trust. They were ready to let her last conscious thoughts be frightened, desperate, fighting to stay alive as she drowned. Ready to cut her open for a cure that may or may not have even worked, without even having the balls to ask her what *she* wanted. Joel may have been acting selfishly, but I refuse to believe TLOU II's attempts to whitewash the Fireflies or demonize Joel.
We all loved this game, and Joel, because it gave us a story of a world filled with death and despair, with morality being limited to what is needed to be done to survive in a given situation- if it even exists. Joel's ability to be a cold-blooded killer who we disapprove of, while being the loving character we all connect with, just makes us all love him due to the fact that his immorality knows no limits to do what he must in order to save those he loves. The story is sad, and he is by all means the villain, but he's a villain we root for, because he does it all for love in a world where it is gone.
Injured middle aged Joel taking out two young armed guys that tried to set him up and ambushed him is the most badass scene I've ever seen my entire life, and the way he deals with them after ward is the most cold hearted shit a man can do, Joel is the most badass character I've seen, and nothing can change my mind
God he is so badass. I'm writing "is" because for me he never died, let's pretend that TLOU2 never existed, ok? And Joel is alive, well and kicking some asses. One of my favourite video games character ever!🔥
@@calwu8252 when did he died ? Never heard of that , i saw just a fan made game where a guy that look like him died but of course that's not the real joel
Joel is the most legendary character ever in video game form. Dude is just too awesome. Bro deserved so much better. Such an amazing survivalist and a hero.
I don't think that really matters here. They've all been through the same amount of hell. Seeing your friend die mid-labor, Never being able to see your family again, losing a shit ton of your soldiers and army, and seeing an a zombie apocalypse unfold in front of your eyes.
@@venommagnus She really didn't. She literally was against the idea of wanting Ellie to die. She had to do it because she thought it was the right thing for the future of humanity and as the case shows in part 2. Ellie would've wanted it to happen.
@@venommagnus I mean have we ever actually seen what Marlene has went through like last time I checked we never saw her whole story she could have had it worse than Joel we will never know
Oh no you didn't get your tony stark version of his death where joel says "i am joel miller" and sacrifices himself for everyone, ah well i guess that means the game is bad
Imagine if in the remake if you wait a bit as Ellie when David struggles her Joel would’ve appear and kick the hell of David lol that would’ve been also a cool detail
God, what an asshole, trying to extract humanity’s last hope from the only individual on the planet capable in order to end decades or even centuries of murder, loss, hatred, cruelty, and torture. I hate him too!
![[s1] joel having beef with ellie for 9 minutes](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/z-NF5RVdDJY/mqdefault.jpg)
My dad is finally back 🙌 keep up the good work 🎮
You guys related?
@@IATEYOBURGER 😂😂😂😂
idk when and how this became a trend by calling randos mom's and dad's on the internet, its creepy & strange.
@@Oldschool1943 don't worry about it grandpa
@@Oldschool1943 oh grandpa always so stern and angry
Joel surviving his injury is more plausible than Ellie absolutely tanking that hit to the head with a lead pipe like an absolute champ, change my mind
She's immune to cte
@@outlaw._.lazines thats a good one
I think she blocked it with her arm,but yeah it's still kind of improbable how she just easily brushed it off,should have broken something or at least had her hurting for a bit
Now that I see it i think that guy was trying to knock the gun out of her hand
Fake her head should’ve been split open 🤣
"You'd just come after her"
What a badass. What a man what a character.
The last one isn't badass, its plain evil.
How can you leave Ellie hanging like that during a high five?
Fr
Sadly it’s also one the of the trophies you earn
If he got killed for doing that i would understand
I left her hanging because I missed the prompt and I just ran past her
Thousandth like
"She's David's newest pet"
I remember my buddy and I both looked at each other the first time playing it and in unison going "Oh he's dead."
"That's alright, I believe him." Fuck I love Joel. 😭
The delivery of that line was fkn amazing
the satisfaction after the 8th episode is unreal
Same.
The facial expression are definitely way better not gonna lie the emotions are crazy
ngl
As you can see here at 21:18, Joel effectively mobilized the threat of the incoming gunman by pulling the handgun off of the gunman’s hand, hitting his back, which resulted in him taking possession of the weapon and thus protecting himself from the threat. This is Commander Dave from Detroit Urban Survival Training speaking.
@@commanderdalebrown2766 lmao goated comment
@@commanderdalebrown2766 ayo wtf lmao 😂😂😂
@@commanderdalebrown2766 i saw that and immediately thought about detroit urban survival lmao
22:30 right here. When you watch the beginning of the the last of us, and fast forward to this moment. This parallel b/w his biological daughter Sara who was killed and Ellie. This second chance when he called her “baby girl” is why the majority of the fanbase will love Joel. Because of the heartfelt journey we’ve been through with him
Damn I played the remastered version on the PS4 so many times and I just barely realized that the beginning of the game is just like the ending when Joel is carrying Sara/Ellie
Yeah but does he actually care about Ellie or simply see her as his daughter Sarah
@@DHGxMcFlurry good question. One the majority of the fan base will refuse to answer because they too got attached to Ellie through the game.
@@Dontworryaboutit961 I never liked that trope. It was in GOW 3 as well.
@@DHGxMcFlurry he clearly cares about ellie he went all out for her birthday he even got the space books and shit to read
Ah , what a badass protagonist , I sure hope someone doesn’t smash his skull to a pulp with a golf club
Guy wasn’t a hero though, no one is in that world.
Come on man, delete that comment...
@@kush6846 he didn't say he was a hero?
After that iconic moment with Negan in The Walking Dead, everyone wanted a piece of that style of killing. I noticed certain things in entertainment started doing it in a similar fashion after that moment in TWD!
@@kush6846 cringe
I’m so happy to know people still love Joel
Whether or not you agree with him (morally speaking) he's a tremendous protagonist for a video game. Troy Baker did an amazing job as well. Love Joel.
@Maximo99 I don’t think anyone in the last of us part 1 or 2 are good people but cool characters 💀
@@MidnightIX
That’s kinda the point
@@Derl30 he did the right thing. They never asked her for her permission and they failed the operation loads of times before killing the patient every time. Boggles my mind how it's still debated to this day whether he was in the right or not. Abbys dad deserved to die just like all the others in that hospital.
@@peakdennis1 I mean, I wholeheartedly agree. Marlene and co handled the whole situation fucking horribly. Abby who? There is no sequel to the Last of Us...
I can't believe that such a badass character was only meant to be the protagonist of one single game. I truly hope that this comment will age poorly.
I honestly would love a game about the 20 years we did not see about Joel
@@VimaKsper6286
Me too. I want a prequel to the first game with both Joel and Tommy as the main protagonists. That would be fantastic. Hope this will become real in the future.
Imo Joel should’ve been the main protagonist again in part 2 but they fked up so hard
And whoever actually likes to play as Abby and hates Joel never played the original game
@@notBrocker no one hates Joel?
@@VimaKsper6286 it would be rlly boring he just work and meet his wife lol
I'm surprised Joel was just a smuggler, he knew a great interrogation method, was great with basically any weapon he picked up along with being good at hand-to-hand combat, and despite being well past his prime he could overpower just about anyone he came across. Not to mention he was also incredibly smart or at least street smart seeing past most traps because of his experience. Honestly I thought he would some high end mercenary but I guess he had to be a smuggler for the plot.
edit: oh ya and he has stupidly high durability.
isn't it implied that he and tommy were hunters at one point
Yes
@@VimyGlide yea he use to ambush people just like how him and Ellie got ambushed on the highway
Don't forget the great guitar skills
He was literally everything in this world,he was well respected and feared
now I get to see Abby's dad getting killed by Joel again, in high quality, and I am enjoying every second of it
You were never meant to feel good about what he did. I really think people need to grow up and reevaluate why they actually hate the second game
I unloaded all the ammo I had on that motherfucker, made sure I had nothing left before leaving with Ellie
@@sbraypaynt trash woke writing, no need to re-evaluate
@@kazzng2087 sad to see you’re still under that delusion. What the hell did a homosexual character have to do with the writing decisions you didn’t like?
@@sbraypaynt these are just sad incels who see anything that isn't white, straight, male as woke. Don't bother with them.
16:15 I don't expect a straight adaptation with the television series next year, but I want to see this scene adapted. I see Pedro Pascal nailing it.
Oh absolutely that would be so sick to watch
it actually comes out on the 15th of January
Just watched it it’s great
@@mrawesomecool8191 same great episode I just feel it cut out a big chunk of the story from the start
Confirmed this will be in the show. In the "weeks ahead" trailer HBO dropped at the end of episode 1 we see a clip of this scene.
A game with Joel and Tess would be awesome. They could even do co-op
I totally agree. Imagine Joel two years later the beginning of the first chapter, full of anger and trying to survive, would be the epic ending for this saga
@@martinocasarotto1655 yeah we need an tlou game after sarah died and focusing on joel and how he get to meet tess,bill
Don’t get me wrong it’s a fantastic idea, but here’s the thing what exactly would be the objective? Just survive? Not exactly the coolest thing if you get my meaning
Sure they can do co-op in heaven
@@alextorres2067 I think it's a problem that not many take, it's an empty idea compared to the first game, and it doesn't sell, maybe that's why they decided to make the HBO series, although Ellie's idea of revenge is also empty, the second game is, maybe rather this prequel would be about someone surviving and assimilating the traumas of losing their daughter, perhaps the best thing is a dlc, explaining how Joel and Tommy survived It would be better to be flashbacks that Joel has when Ellie got angry with him for lying to him, while Joel assimilates that would show us the flashbacks of how I assimilate the loss of Sarah.
26:30 I refuse to believe that this is the same guy who would just causally walk in to a hideout full of strangers who are armed with no protection himself.
Exactly
Several years of living comfortably inside of an insulated community, growing and changing to better love the one closest to you as you age and become wiser, will do that to you.
I refuse to believe that the only people who play such a complex piece like The Last of Us are the brain dead who have no sense of character
@@The4j1123 oh yeah, because he totally wasn’t living in a quarantine zone comfortably for years on end with people who respected him and a woman who he was definitely banging🤦🏻 dumbest fuckin excuse I’ve ever heard.
@@The4j1123 yeah true
But I dont think he would have completely let his guard down around a group of armed strangers...
I mean I sure as hell wouldn't
@@The4j1123 You made it sound like there's no apocalyptic pandemic happening outside the walls filled with thieves and murderers trying to survive the harsh world lmao.
If Joel was killed inside the community then I'll accept your statement. There's literally 20 years to teach everyone to arm themselves whenever they're outside of their own safety.
You try to insult everyone by being brain dead. But I only see one brain dead person who's trying to defend a story that's literally hanging by a single piece of tape and two strings.
If Marlene had just let Joel see Ellie, and let Ellie let him know that she wanted to give her life for the cure, everything could’ve been fine
That’s exactly what I thought when I finished the game for the first time. It’s why I’ve never had a problem with Joel’s actions. Marlene tried to make the decision for both of them. She prepped Ellie for surgery without letting Ellie know what was going to happen, and she made sure to do it before Joel regained consciousness so he couldn’t object to it. She screwed herself because she tried to take control of a situation she had no right to command. Everyone talked about how Joel made a selfish decision, but Marlene was the one being selfish by taking the choice away from the people who would’ve been most impacted by it
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 I think its because Marlene knew that Joel would not have allowed Ellie to go one through with it, he had the capacity to persuade her.
YEAH THEN THERE WONT BE NO PART 2 LOL
Not to mention the fucking doctor that wanted to kill Ellie without even asking for her consent. She would have given it, but that's not the point.
That's why I know her saying "its what Ellie would have wanted" is nonsense. They didn't even wait to get her consent for the operation because Marlene didn't want to risk losing the moral high ground on the off chance Ellie said no. The whole time she wouldn't even empathize with Joel saying that her suffering was worse, and there's no real guarantee the operation would have resulted in a successful vaccine. That's a big part of why I ultimately don't really care that Joel stopped the Fireflies
That interrogation scene is one of the most badass moment in video game history, we don’t need a movie for that, this game is a masterpiece movie itself, an art
It’s so nostalgic seeing Ellie so little, now she has changed a lot more. Amazing
One the best games.....ever made. My soul will forever be changed after playing it.
Bro got his liver pierced, survived a whole group of raiders, killed half the fireflies alone... Oh but according to Drunkman he had to die in the hands of a group of teenagers with a golf club LMAO
They weren’t teens dude 🤦🏻♂️they were trained folks out for revenge
@@Walker-ow7vj and he's much older but that stuff doesn't matter anywya
I love how you burned the nurses alive so unnecessary 💀
That was brutal caught me off guard
Ong 💀
Loool that really got me too, dude really woke up and chose the path of true violence.
To be fair, I did that too on my first playthrough, because I thought they would stab me in the back or something if I tried to take off with Ellie before dealing with them. It looked so risky, so I decided to play it safe. Didn't know they would just stay put and keep cowering. With the way this game likes to surprise you so often, you ain't taking no chances by the end of it.
Obviously not the case here, though. He just killed em for the hell of it.
Deserved every bit of it
I love Joel as a protagonist, he has a lot of depth and is a flawed hero, it really shows just how human he is. In the end he was selfish to save Ellie because he probably knew she'd let herself die to save humanity, but that selfishness makes him human and I know a lot of us would've done the same. Plus you can kinda see why Ellie is mad at him, not just because he let the world die but he did slaughter a lot of people in that hospital, people who were trying to do the right thing
Well, at this point the world is already dead, and the fireflies appeared to have a grand total of three doctors, and very old, run down medical equipment in an even more run down dilapidated hospital. Synthesizing a vaccine would’ve taken time, if it was even possible. And if they somehow managed to do it, they also appeared to have no plan or ability to distribute it around the world and likely would have hoarded it for themselves. Because that’s how humans are. So idk if I would say Joel “Let the world die” but yeah, slaughtering a hospital full of people that were probably the only ones left who had half a chance of making a vaccine was an extremely selfish action, but it wasn’t set in stone that they would have even made a vaccine, let alone distribute it.
@@fivestarguy100 yeah that's true, it was just a "chance" at a vaccine it wasn't set in stone, but yeah Joel is just a really interesting character because he's not perfect and I think that's why we connect to him and love him the way we do as the player
He was completely in the right to save her. They never asked her for her permission and they tried the operation multiple times before and multiple people died for nothing but the operation to fail before. Fuck abby and her asshole dad. Part two is one of the worst games ever made.
I want them to do a dlc for Ish and the sewer people
Dude, what makes you think it’s right to let Ellie die on the very tiny chance a cure can be created in a decrepit and unsterile operating room run by people who’s skill in the matter you question? Selfish? More like realistic.
The most obvious outcome of Ellie being dissected there is that anything they gain from her is contaminated and rendered useless by the environment or the people there mess it up.
Funny how this is exactly what my brain remembers this game looking like
Remasters I tell ya man
man, the new face animations elevate these cutscenes so much.
No one mentions how the endings of Part I and Part II mirror one another with the main character mowing through an entire group to save someone - the only difference is Joel did out of love and Ellie did out of hate
t h i s
Yeah but in part 1 it makes sense. Ellie genocided Seattle and santa Barbara for nothing.
They both did it out of love.
ellie did it out of love too. it was just incredibly misguided 😞
@@singulariteas Joel's was misguided as well. That's the whole point.
Can’t wait for the re-release of part 2. That scene where Joel smashes Abby’s head with the golf club is gonna look insane.
well there is supposed to be a director's cut coming soon
The scene is pretty cool and badass too, but not for Joel
😂😂
@@eustakio_8458 Are you for real? You though that was cool and badass from Abby to do that?
@@grey6545 if you don't count the context of the scene yes becouse of how ruthless it is. Its the same when people make a edit of how cool is Joel for take down the hospital and Jerry.
PEDRO PASCAL ACTUALLY REENACTED THE 16:10 SCENE SO WELL IN THE NEW TLOU SERIES. I REALLY HOPED THE PRODUCERS WOULD INCLUDE THIS MOMENT AND I'M NOT DISAPPOINTED 💯⚡
Only part I didn't like is that he screamed "WHERE!?" and lose his cool while Troy's Joel said it more quiet and menacingly.
My biggest problem with the scene is the stab instead of the neck snap but I understand they couldn't have it 1 for 1.
26:31
That part got me crying because how much of a badass Joel is.
Ya pretty savage lmao can’t really blame Abby for killing Joel even though how sad it is
As much as the game isn't much of a "remake" but rather a glorified remaster, I gotta admit. This is one of the best remasters out there
i gotta say resident evil 1’s remake is the best i mean look at the comparisons
Then what is a remake to you?
@@draiverc7519 remake kinda sounds like redoing the premises of the game to me
It was literally remade from the ground up with no reused assets how is it not a remake?
@@343GuiltySparker didn’t they re use voice acting from the original?
25:43 one of the best twists/parts. The idea that Marlene, a person who was entrusted to protect Ellie, chose to try and sacrifice her for her own vain cause... even if the cure was a success and not another repeated failure, she clearly did not love Ellie as a parent does. Any mother or father who loves their child would not sacrifice them for the entire world. The world was a cruel place before the apocalypse, and only became more savage in the aftermath. The idea that somehow, by ending the spread of cordyceps, everything would magically be more civilized after the world fell apart... insane.
Right. What I think is even more idotic is how when joel and ellie arrive at the base, they immediately get her prepped for surgery. Not even letting Joel see her one last time or let them be in the same room, be told how the vaccine will be made, the risks, and a choice of whether to do the surgery or not. Making it a possible but slim chance that Joel would allow it to happen even if he didn't like the idea. Complete ignorance on the fireflies, smh
I wouldn't call fighting to save the human race a "vain" cause. The world does not revolve around one life. if I was the cure, go ahead and kill me. My life will matter. The OG world was far from perfect....but sure as hell better than this new hell. One life vs the lives of everyone else? Joel deserved to die.
@@croc560 I want you to think about the person or any living thing you love more than the world. Your significant other, your mother, your father, your dog, etc. Now you're going to watch me cut its brain out, for a 50-50 chance at saving the human race. And also, the thing I'm killing, doesn't get a say in the matter. They're gonna be asleep.
When you love a person, for real, you will not let them die if you can help it. Even if it means the lives of everyone else, or even your own. Joel loved Ellie. Marlene did not, and valued her cause more than her life. Any rationale you make "for the good of mankind" is irrelevant, especially when you consider how fucked up the human race can be. Even before the apocalypse, there was still slavery, mass genocides, abuse of the lower class, etc. Even if it was guaranteed that there was a vaccine that worked, when the virus was gone, I'm pretty sure either FEDRA, the Fireflies, or another group would attempt to leverage the vaccine for more power, or even if somehow they were generous with the cure, they'd still abuse that power to become a world power.
When Joel finished Marlene off it looked much more better than the Remaster i have
And then years later he says “y’all seem like you’ve heard of us or something”
My shit in the toilet can make better story than tlou2
And then years later he says “y’all seem like you’ve heard of us or something”
My shit in the toilet can make better story than tlou2
@@ghostwhencodghosts9114 ... you replied to me twice...
@@ghostwhencodghosts9114 lmao, no doubt of that.
@@foxdaily1828 LOL that double reply
So we ain’t gonna talk about the fact he pulled a flamethrower on the doctor 💀🤣
That is nothing as disrespectful compare to joel death in tlou 2
The way Joel doesn't even blink when Tess shoots Robert. Man he was a seasoned survivor and a bit of a monster.
The remake make him look more intimidating, badass, serious and look so "dadly" in the same time.
Yea just as badass as it was over 8 years ago.
And then years later he says “y’all seem like you’ve heard of us or something”
My shit in the toilet can make better story than tlou2
@@ghostwhencodghosts9114 i have laughed so hard about this comment😂😂😂 “ya’ll should come back with us”
@@JustAchraf_ “y’all seem like you’ve heard of us or something” bruh no shit
@@ghostwhencodghosts9114 nah fr they must be forget about joel character or just have personal hate to him. Cause ain't no way he's that dumb joel in part 1 could solo abby and her whole fraud gang with ease
From the point of veiw as a broad whole, what he did seems truly terrible. From the point of veiw of a father whose already lost a daughter, his actions are completely understandable.
I mean why should he give up her life for a buch of strangers he has never met, in a world that is already horribly self-serving.
Why should he be the saint?
At the very least i love joel for the fact he's a badass, while being relentlessly human. A good protag.
I remember that section when Joel carries Ellie at the hospital, I took a wrong turn and the game basically shows a cutscene of Joel getting executed but it didnt feel like a game over cutscene, I actually felt like that was it. kind of a "lets see how long you last but youll die anyway". I was devastated for a second and then I respawned and all was good lol.
The same for me.
The first game is such a masterpiece
The facial animations are just so so good
They missed the blood pooling under Joel when he gets “crofted”. I remember seeing the blood pool and thinking “holy shit this is bad” I don’t get that same reaction here.
Another thing I noticed is after he wakes up in Winter he used to move extra slow to show the injury he's been through. In the remake he moves at full speed.
@@Jozombies115 is it really like that now? I havent played the “remake” I played the original ps3 and ps4 remaster dozens of times. I wanted to see some differences. And this is enough to turn me away. I love part 1 and part 2. Can’t wait for the series but ND definitely took a big swing and missed with this.
@@TimSandals Don't get me wrong the few details they messed up fucking bother me, but they got most of it right.
For example the leaked footage showed a garbage revolver that took two shots to kill but in the game it's a one shot always. I would call the overall experience of the remake better for the most part.
I can’t stress enough on how good this game is to people who haven’t played it , I’ve beat it a total of 4 times , and will remain the best game I’ve ever played
“that’s alright. i believe him” my favorite line right there
the encounter where Joel is hanging upside down is still one of my favourite moments ever in a video game.
That bit where Joel was wounded and bleeding out while Ellie led the way felt straight out of Max Payne 3.
Yeah, it's like Joel is Max, Ellie is Passos. Definitely got that vibe.
Joel reloading his revolver upside down is the most badass thing he’s ever done
TLOU 1: Put your seatbelt on Ellie, he ain't even hurt.
TLOU 2: *To complete strangers* I'm Joel...
I’m so happy they did the scene in the show
We want a badass Joel focussed game during the 20year gap or even the 4 year gap between Part 1 and 2 :)
It'd be better than playing Abby or Ellie for sure.
“uhh that is actually before my time” at 7:12” tells us that he was born in the mid 80s due to the cassette lmao, brilliant storyline.
@@metalrockstarizer89 I think he just meant the music that was on the tape was before his time
Don't really care about this franchise anymore part two completely ruined it so I wouldn't even play a joel prequel. Whole game would be spent knowing he eventually gets beaten to death by a transgender with golf club. Na ill pass thanks.
No we dont, what a boring game that would be, joel and tommy as hunters killing innocent people during those 20 years, some things are better left unsaid. This is not marvel where every little thing has to be turned into its own story
Pedro Pascal is gonna nail Joel. He was a perfect casting choice
Man is more badass than Deacon St. John.
@@jekavactv I'd love to see if DSJ could survive in the TLOU universe and vice versa! 🧟♂️
Hard disagree, but i'm biased because I like Sam Witwer
Compared to Deacon, Joel is a much more interesting character with a lot of depth, even the acting is better and of course the writing for his dialogues is superior, Deacon was alright but it's not even near to Joel's level
the fact that the music in 08:22 is the same playing on TLoU teaser of HBO gives me chills
16:45 This scene was the one that gave me nightmares aside from Sarah's death.
Man I’m so happy to have TLOU looking just as good as the sequel. Right down to the realistic gunshot wounds on enemies
the amount of skill that Joel displays throughout the game show how terrifying he must of been during the middle stages. I want to see how fucking merciless Joel was with Tommy to make sure they survived. Joel finally having a reliable skill set and connections afterwards is probably the only reason he could get into Boston.
Joel killing the sniper in the sububrs its a nice badass moment too
I like how the nurse begs and says she didn't want to die, but 3 seconds before she had absolutely no problems cutting into the skull of a child to dice her brain up like she was cooking chili for the super bowl party. Always makes me chuckle.
Bro that had nothing to do with her will to live and doing a job plus she probably thought what she was doing was right since ellie was immune to the disease
@@perrylee5867 it has everything to do with it. When the choice is in her hands she showed no qualms about taking a life. Regardless of her reasoning. But when the choice is taken out of her hands she pleads for mercy even though she never offered ellie the same chance. I don't care what her reasoning is, if it involves murdering children it's evil regardless of circumstances
@@JohnDoe-ligma how shes
Doing what she felt was right for humanity whos th say she even wanted to do it every one says joes is fine though for dooming humanity and saving ellie when she would have rather them go through with the prcedure in the first place u talk about evil like joel and ellie have commited evil acts throughout the whole fuckingg game from
The beginning
@@perrylee5867 ellie was brainwashed by the fire flies. Her own mother told that chick to protect her. But when she thought she could get something out of it, she was willing to betray ellie mothers trust and turn ellie into a martyr. And there's absolutely no guarantee that the cure would've worked. Ellie didn't even have an option to say yes or no they didn't even bother to wake the poor girl. They wheeled her in to rip her apart before she even had a chance to know what was going on. Joel never did nothing wrong. The fire flies needed to be wiped out. Like I said when you start murdering children you lose the moral high ground. There's no excuse.
@@JohnDoe-ligma usually your absolutely right but in this situation outside factors have to be taken into consideration……. Their world is ruined and they constantly have to deal with. Millions of infected on top of hostile ass bandits and the fact that their probably forced to live in what would be basically sardine cans and constantly have to kill hunt and fight to survive….. when you take that into consideration I’d look at it as less evil and more a shitty pair of choices
watching this again has me on the edge of my seat because I want the show to go through ALL of this!
Joel knew that rescuing Ellie was wrong, he didn't have a single argument against Marlene. He was purely driven by his emotions and the fear of losing his daughter again, and his last bit of humanity with her. This game, and its sequel, are here to tell us that there's no true good or bad in the real world, and egoism exists everywhere. Joel is not a villain, but he is no hero.
To be fair, Joel knew no matter what he said Marlene was dead set on her view of the "greater good" and would just be wasting time, he said all he needed to to with "You keep telling yourself that BS." Because the argument is obvious, they never gave her a choice they drugged her and knocked her out, planned to open her up to scrape her brain, and threaten to kill him just for showing his disapproval. Not to mention the fact that there was never a guarantee of this working, getting samples of the "mutated cordyceps" from Ellie doesn't mean instant vaccine, it meant they can start looking into trying to make one, which is still a long shot considering the lack of resources and manpower Marlene clearly said they don't have in this broken world. Yes they are both extremes to the possible choices to be made and in the end Joel was the winner, but both were still not great choices.
And it got him killed. Just like Bill said, caring in this world will get you killed.
Well not really the fireflys handle the situation purly they didn't even Give the chance to Ellie to Say goodbye to Joel or ask if She wanted to do It and in the game Is multiple time show how much the fireflys are disorginize
@@rhy45bianchi31 not really, how would they know that Joel got attatchet to Ellie?.
@@NaK-R if you think about 1 year Is a lot of time and Marlene knowing Ellie don't Have parent would think She get attached to tess or Joel
Joel leaving Ellie hanging and not giving her a high five was definitely the reason abby killed him, I mean who leaves someone hanging like that. Pure Savagery 😂😂
Hands up for a prequel, see Joel’s change…and how he meets Tess. See him with the hunters, got going through the loss of his daughter ….see what made him this guy
Would love a prequel game about joel and tommy that's set in between those 20 years. Could show tommy joining the fireflies and how joel meets tess.
Honestly love Troy baker so much since I first stumbled across baki now I’ve tried to watch and play everything he’s in 😂
16:10 can’t wait to see Pedro act out this scene 😁😁
Satisfied?
Man, that expressions make this more hard than was before...
"That's what she want... and you know it."
Joel...
We'll most likely see none of these moments within the HBO series but atleast we got to experience it within the game.
Most unique youtuber on our scene!
Well done man👏🏼
NOT THE HIGH FIVE
Had to come here after finishing Part 2 for a second time.
I love that game with all my heart, but man, did I miss my boy Joel.
Bro Joel shooting while upside down is so raw
Joel's voice is nice to listen to
Jesus, that final scene is just so much more fucked up than I remember. This remaster encapsulates the emotions so well. Joel knows he did something terrible, but his emotions drove that decision, and it’s very evident.
Yeah, can't believe he didn't give Ellie that high five.
Honestly, fuck Marlene and Jerry and the whole lot of them.
They betrayed Ellie's trust. They were ready to let her last conscious thoughts be frightened, desperate, fighting to stay alive as she drowned.
Ready to cut her open for a cure that may or may not have even worked, without even having the balls to ask her what *she* wanted.
Joel may have been acting selfishly, but I refuse to believe TLOU II's attempts to whitewash the Fireflies or demonize Joel.
Absolutely 😔 he'd doom humanity before he let his little girl die within arm's reach again
Troy baker is gifted I don't care how much the remake is I'm a sucker for PS5 improvements
That scene where he kills Marlene always goes hard
most bad ass thing he does to me is when he's looking for Ellie, that "that's all right, I believe him." fucking savage.
Man Joel is the definition of old man strenght
We all loved this game, and Joel, because it gave us a story of a world filled with death and despair, with morality being limited to what is needed to be done to survive in a given situation- if it even exists.
Joel's ability to be a cold-blooded killer who we disapprove of, while being the loving character we all connect with, just makes us all love him due to the fact that his immorality knows no limits to do what he must in order to save those he loves.
The story is sad, and he is by all means the villain, but he's a villain we root for, because he does it all for love in a world where it is gone.
Joel is the best!!!
And then years later he says “y’all seem like you’ve heard of us or something”
My shit in the toilet can make better story than tlou2
Joel's got that old man strength. don't mess with him!
Hell hath no fury like a good man’s wrath.
Is a good summary of Joel
Injured middle aged Joel taking out two young armed guys that tried to set him up and ambushed him is the most badass scene I've ever seen my entire life, and the way he deals with them after ward is the most cold hearted shit a man can do, Joel is the most badass character I've seen, and nothing can change my mind
Part 2 is a fever dream, Joel should have never died the way he did. Absolute naughty dog sh!t
@@DMAGAEscober agreed
@@DMAGAEscober lets Don't talk about the pt 2 cuz joel in the pt 2 didn't even act like joel
A golf club can change your mind
@@youdontneedtoknow5688 lol
God he is so badass. I'm writing "is" because for me he never died, let's pretend that TLOU2 never existed, ok? And Joel is alive, well and kicking some asses. One of my favourite video games character ever!🔥
Nah Joel had it coming, rest in peace. Now get over it.
Agreed, there was never a sequel to this game!
man this is such a great game it's a real shame they never made a sequel.
@@calwu8252 when did he died ? Never heard of that , i saw just a fan made game where a guy that look like him died but of course that's not the real joel
@@bluebeard5481 Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Joel is the most legendary character ever in video game form. Dude is just too awesome. Bro deserved so much better. Such an amazing survivalist and a hero.
He’s up there with Arthur Morgan and John Marston for me 😎💯
"Don't waste this gift, Joel."
He didn't.
Marlene thinks Joel's experienced less hell than her. Wait until she gets to know that she had a daughter that was ki- oh wait, she's dead.
I don't think that really matters here. They've all been through the same amount of hell. Seeing your friend die mid-labor, Never being able to see your family again, losing a shit ton of your soldiers and army, and seeing an a zombie apocalypse unfold in front of your eyes.
When Marlene straight up said "I had it worse than you" to a man who actually had it more worse than her, she earned that bullet.
@@venommagnus She really didn't. She literally was against the idea of wanting Ellie to die. She had to do it because she thought it was the right thing for the future of humanity and as the case shows in part 2. Ellie would've wanted it to happen.
@@venommagnus I mean have we ever actually seen what Marlene has went through like last time I checked we never saw her whole story she could have had it worse than Joel we will never know
@@austinhood647Losing soldiers trying to cross the country is nothing compared to what Joel went through in the past 20 years.
They really nailed a look-alike for Robert, I didn't really see it until this scene
22:20 he really pulled out the flamethrower to kill Abby's dad 😂
That wasn't her dad. Her dad was the first man to be killed
That’s not Abby’s dad
10:19 I love that kick 😂😂 so satisfying
I still can’t believe how they did Joel dirty in part 2
That game was made by people who really hated the first one
How did they do him dirty, bro?
Oh no you didn't get your tony stark version of his death where joel says "i am joel miller" and sacrifices himself for everyone, ah well i guess that means the game is bad
@@vidmasterK1 Joel was used as a plot device to push Abby’s story forward. He deserved more than that.
14:40 my god does this get me, every single time
Thanks you ❤️ it's awesome video
Imagine if in the remake if you wait a bit as Ellie when David struggles her Joel would’ve appear and kick the hell of David lol that would’ve been also a cool detail
Ellie- What about that guy??
Joel- He ain't even hurt.
Me- 🤯🤯🤯
For being 51 years old Joel is unnaturally fit and resilient but its still badass though
Same thing with she hulk in part 2
@@fullsendabeerforme2988 abbyzila
My grandfather is 51 and is strong af strength is one the last things to go if you take care of yourself
@@fullsendabeerforme2988 The only roided out girl in a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE.
If you take care of your body, it actually lasts pretty long.
when he interrogates the guys to find ellie is by far my favorite. he is just so badass there. it really shows his love for ellie.
Man, I can't wait for the second one to see how Joel and Ellie grow their relationship and survive together.
Who’s gonna tell him?
Joel is a bad ass and in his mind he is right for doing what he did, ain't gonna change my mind he is the best character in the game hands down
I hate Abbys dad more than I hate Abby... And that's a lot
Me too
Literally why though.
@@Inressa cause his bitch ass got killed by Joel and we need someone to blame
@@Inressa he was willing to kill a 14 year old girl to make a vaccine that wouldn't guarantee the end of the apocalypse.
God, what an asshole, trying to extract humanity’s last hope from the only individual on the planet capable in order to end decades or even centuries of murder, loss, hatred, cruelty, and torture. I hate him too!
when i see joel holding ellie, that's remind me of my father doing like that while my sleep, but he's sleep forever now 😞
17:00 I'd just say "he doesn't know... he's new."