Struggling To Grow? The Fleet Of Philippine Airlines In 2024
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- On the surface, not much has changed with the fleet of Philippine Airlines since our last deep dive into this carrier and its collection of aircraft. When we put out a video in October 2022 on this airline, it had 76 aircraft. Now, about one and a half years later, it has 79. Since the last Philippine Airlines fleet examination, we’ve seen the airline log its first post-pandemic profit. No doubt good news for executives working in Manila!
At the same time, however, we’ve also seen reports that the airline was facing difficulties in finding available Airbus A350 or Boeing 777 aircraft to meet the post-pandemic demand. As a result of the struggle, it has placed an order for brand new A350-1000s while reportedly considering newer replacements for its A330 fleet in the next few years.
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PAL's biggest mistake was selling some of its A350s to Lufthansa. Because of this it uses ancient A330s with cramped interiors.
But it has ordered the 1000 variants....3 firm orders and six more as an option......
@@johnpatricklim4509 yes but it'll come in the next few years. if they held unto the planes, they would've had more aircraft readily available for its fleet which would mean more routes/flights/less flight disruptions
@@johnpatricklim4509, Yes ,but for now “ Plane Always Late” or no plane at all ..
@@nyoomiiu But PAL has no choice but to surrender the 4 a350s due to the pandemic....they are also in a bankruptcy proceeding...so they have to shed some assets to have the liquidity to keep operating under such condition....at least now they are in a position to expand again....besides like i previously said...they are getting the brand new 1000 variant which has a longer range and capacity....the 1000 is also chosen by qantas for project sunrise...a non-stop flight between new york or london to sydney and back....
@@markjoseph196 true and expensive.....toronto to manila is almost $2000
I work as ticketing agent for South East Asia region. PR has always been easy airline to work with. Mabuhay
Philippine Airlines have the best pilots in the world. They land so smooth you barely notice we’ve already landed.
and the most calm when they have an emergency landing at LA when one of the engines have blown out....
Some of them previously served in the Air Force
I don't know but after recovering from Chapter 11 bankruptcy, PAL seems to be very cautious if not outright hesitant in expanding and modernizing its fleet. Hope they reconsider and add more A330 neos and A350's as well.
On the case of A330neos it unclear weather the will pattern the configuration both after the A330ceos registered from RP-C8780 to RP-C8789 and RP-C8763 to RP-C8771, but the best configuration should be a 290-seater composed of 32 business class seats, 28 premium economy and 230 in the economy class
Also the best way for PAL to get back on track is Lucio Tan stepping down as PAL's majority owner and sell to investors who are willing to make the airline better.
@@markdwighttadina7655Never gonna happen. LT is part of the oligarchy. The untouchables.
@@darylp9306 agree with this one
@@darylp9306 it would be better for the Philippine Government to establish a new flag carrier a separate entity from PAL modelled after ITA Airways (Italia Transporto Aereo) which is owned by the Italian State thru the Ministry of the Economy and Finance at 51% stake and the Lufthansa Group at 49% stake, it founded in 2020 and began operations the following year after the collapse of Alitalia.
The pandemic hit some of the Asian airlines are really hard, like Cathay for example, so PAL have done well to survive.
Having to wait a little bit longer for planes is unfortunate, but at least the business is still going.
I’m happy to see Cathay Pacific getting stronger now and it’s good news to hear that PAL have made a decent profit and have good prospects too. Onwards and upwards 👍
It’s nice to see PAL featured.
I hope that they start considering their next order to replace a few of their older A330ceos. (PAL has a mix of newer and older A330ceos)
It’s rumoured that PAL is looking at both the A330neo and 787 for that. We should expect the orders to be announced in the next 2-3 years.
Both the A330neo and 787 have their pros and cons in relation to PAL’s operations.
The A330neo would be an obvious no-brainer if PAL seeks to continue with fleet commonality. The A330 is proven type and if anything, forms a major backbone of PAL’s international network, mainly for Middle Eastern and most of its Asia-Pacific and Oceanic routes. The neo shares a lot in common with the ceo, and PAL doesn’t have to spend a lot on retraining pilots and maintenance crews. The disadvantage is that the A330 is an older design and it wouldn’t be as efficient as the 787.
The 787 on the other hand, would be a new type for PAL. Being a clean sheet design, It would allow greater operational flexibility as the plane would not only fulfill the A330ceo’s role perfectly, but its exceptional range and efficiency has the potential to allow PAL to expand into ultra long-haul markets in North America and Europe that dont see enough demand to justify using the 777 or A350. (Destinations like Istanbul, Las Vegas, and Rome) The disadvantage is that being a new type for PAL, the airline would have to spend quite a bit on retraining. The 787 does share a type rating with the 777… but PAL has a mostly Airbus fleet so it would factor in. In addition, PAL would need to hire new maintenance people specific to the 787, which would also cost a lot.
And yes, you heard it right, former President and CEO of PAL Ramon S. Ang was planned to buy or ordered Boeing 787, may be in the future, PAL will not ordered A330neo.
They Should Also Order A320Neo With IFE To Replace The Older A320
@@MrGreatWesternRailwayProductioThe older A320s are under its subsidiary PAL Express. If can came to fruition if PAL patterns them after Frenchbee and JetBlue.
I travelled on PR211 from Manila to Sydney on 25.04 (yesterday). It was a 330-300, the aircraft was super clean and absolutely love it and crew was so very friendly ❤.
But I was disappointed with flight delay and chaos on Manila Airport there is on escalator or lift, carrying the hand luggage and climbing the steps from one gate to another gate was like 😢😔.
As a Filipino I agree with airport's problems but anyways they are already constructing naia's replacement
Why don't you get out of Australia and go live in India?
@@AlexAvation which is? are you talking about the bulacan airport sir?
Excellent excellent update. Your coverage on multiple aspects of the airline industry, not just on operational news, is what makes your channel outstanding. Please post more updates like this on other airlines, especially those not frequently mentioned ones.
I'm really hopeful that PR will improve in the coming years, though I can pinpoint quite a bit of negative stuff as a consumer and a business student, they are still the airline that I would really love to work with in the future when I start my journey to entering the service industry.
i love philliphine airlines
my nephew just started flying the the dash 8 for them hopefully he progresses fast
Letting go of the A350s was definitely a hard decision for the management but it had to be done to keep the arline afloat. Unfortunately, the cabin experience on older aircraft (particularly the A330) is severely lacking especially compared to the competition serving the same routes where the A330 is deployed.
Love to see my flag carrier get featured and recognize even with its small progress. It is indeed exciting to see PAL order the A35K, and having the same excitement on what PAL will replace its A330ceos. Hoping for the new A330neos!
I have ridden PAL from MNL to TAG lately. On our return trip home, PR2777 was mega delayed, since it had to return to MNL for repairs. We managed to get home safely though. I've noticed too that the A320-214s need some good TLC, since most of them are 'middle aged'. I've even noticed scratches on the outside of the windows.
I guess stability for now is good for PAL.
As for their new A350Ks... Some sources say they're planning a 10-abreast configuration for the economy class. Wouldn't that be crammed? 😕
It is going to be cramped if you want something better than it you might as well fly via HND on JL A35K SQ 3-3-3 A359 via SIN KE once they have theirs ICN TPE BR and DOH QR. If you want the combination of the five star rating of Japan and Singapore Airlines Eva Air Korean Air and Qatar Airways with the mainline Fleet of Philippine Airlines your answer is Hong Kong Cathay Pacific B-LXx A35Ks 3-3-3 sitting in economy class which would be an improvement over PR RP-C3509 and upwards 3-4-3 Fiesta class Philippine Airlines branding for economy class. Mention this to a Hong Konger on how PR went 3-4-3 on A35K they told me it is cramped absolutely terrible for a plane that's supposed to be 3-3-3
As a Filipino, PAL will now expansion next year through additional aircraft like A350-1000, and soon for the Philippine Airlines will purchase Boeing 777X once New Manila Interational Airport completed
In my opinion, PAL does not purchase A330neo because Cebu Pacific has already ordered. PAL still flying A330ceo. In 2015 or 2014: PAL President and CEO Ramon S. Ang was reported from ABS-CBN NEWS in Manila, PAL planning to buy Boeing 787's maybe -8, -9, or -10
Competition with the same aircraft type doesn't mean PAL cannot purchase the A330neo. It is advantageous to the fact that type commonality means minimal expenditures for training not only for the pilot's transition from A330ceo to A330neo, but also for the mechanics with the A330type rating without hiring new mechanics for another type.
Plus, the basis of your news where Ang is planning to purchase such aircraft is obsolete already and a new person took over PAL already. Plus Ang messed up aircraft purchase back then by fitting PAL with "low-cost" style interior.
@@RPVPSpotter At the moment, it seems to be the best fleet strategy (i) to go for fleet simplification and (ii) have no Boeing backlog.
You are correct speaking of the second plane the B777x if you want a better version of it fly the competitors from MNL like CX🇭🇰 SQ🇸🇬 NH🇯🇵 once they have them in service
I don’t think pal will purchase the new a330neos since it’s already just as perfect even other airlines still kept the old a330s I think cebu pac bought the a330neos because the a330 is their only widebody long range aircraft and buying a few neos will help expand their long haul routes without buying other widebody long range aircraft and pal also has other widebody fleets so there is no need to buy the a330neo
Thanks for featuring PAL! Still has one of the handsomest liveries in the world!
Adding 2 Ex-Garuda Indonesia 777 to it's fleet is a pretty good idea because i am from Indonesia
i flew on their a350, it was very nice, even in economy
Excellent in the air - if only transit at MNL wasn't absolutely abhorrent!
Please do deep dive on Garuda Indonesia. This AL is strugling hard
The PALS will increase to grow due to tourism in the Phils.. I’m certain that the future of PALS will be much much more stable in coming years. The Phils is a country that has a lot of diversities and explorations to offer than any countries in the South East Asia..not only the culture but given the fact that every tourists will likely to stay more than a month just to explore every angle of that country.. and if not, they will come back and see more of it. Maldives, or Thailand maybe have been attracting many travelers, however.. after a handful of times.. they will divert their attention elsewhere.
The prices of Philippine airlines is totally unaffordable today compared to a few years ago. Promos don't exist anymore. Delays are very common.
Hopefully it will happen soon😊
Like PAL , but hard to travel with so many older folks and always crowded with its high prices
What’s wrong with older folks? Genuinely curious
I wish PAL good flight ahead with new planes flying the Philippine flag to more destinations and more passengers.
Hoping for A350 - 1000 or a B787 - 9 to pal's fleet!
Wonderful crews, exceptional cabin service, however we need an update on business class
I wish PAL would order the newer A330s
Its growing slow but thats fine than declining.
I would like to try NYC to MNL soon. I’ve always flown foreign airlines like Delta and United.
Could you analyse Air France fleet next please. Many has changed since your video in 2022
Sometimes you have to look in unusual places to find more planes. Cebu Pacific is running a couple of A320s from Bulgaria Air.
Does PAL Airbus A330-900neo operate flying to Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Honolulu, and Vancouver from Manila?
It would have been better, the flag carrier expanding , so do our airport and infrastructure leading to the new bulacan airport. The problem is not just with the pal’s fleet, but also the airport infrastructure and road infrastructure we currently have, it just cannot support additional planes and passengers. Thats the reason why arabic , hk, sg , etc were able to expand easily is because theyve really built a nice infrastructure that enabled them to become a hub.
How can MNL be a hub with our current ifra?
Traffic runway, traffic going to the airport, traffic going out from the airpot, traffic in the immigration. We should also modernize our airpot practices.
Push pilipinas
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I hope PAL orders the Airbus A320neo in the future. It can fly from Manila to Cebu, Davao, Bacolod, Iloilo, and Cagayan de Oro.
I love the company's cheap biz offerings within Asia Pacific, like last year I spent around 850 AUD one-way in Biz between KUL and MEL via MNL.
the sun riser is rising again, slow but brighter.
I understand PAL is planning to establish a service to/from Paris during 2025. But realizing any such to/from Paris service requires that PAL has enough of aircrafts. As far as i know, the airline is not so sure about just that.
And what i have picked up: AirFrance starts operation PAR - MNL v v as of December to come. But will there be any coop PAL/AF somehow - like as code-share partners?. I do wish it were. And even better PAL joined the alliance Skyteam which AF is a member of. However likely to believe no coop other than PAL as a AF's handling agent.
PAL is not a member of any Airline Alliances , it's also private not State owned and Air France 🇫🇷 is majority owned by the French Government also its sister airline KLM is majority owned by the Government of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
many companies struggles during the pandemic
I Hope PAL’s A350-1000 Will Have It’s Carbon Livery
PAL should have at least 20 Airbus A350-1000s to service North America and Europe where there are so many OFWs.
I want to see more US airports get non-stop Manila flights on Philippine Airlines. The A350, 777-200LR, 777X-8, and 787-9 can handle non-stop flights from Manila even further than New York JFK. I would expect them to fly into Washington Dulles, Atlanta, and others at least with any aforementioned plane type capable of such range.
How about restarting Newark Airport the last time it was there was 1996 1997. With those planes but you run across this problem Singapore Airlines will offer you a cheaper fare Newark to Manila both ways for $863-1300. Making it cheaper than PR direct EWR-MNL.
Please include the Cebu Pacific, Philippines LCC
I hope Cebu Pacific will be featured next :)
I know you haven’t done this but can you do Kenya airway’s fleet kindly thank you
They need to retrofit all those A330’s with the newer 1-2-1 business class layout with the entertainment system. I have flown MNL-DXB route the other day and the last minute equipment swap into the 2-2-2 J class seats and no in-seat Entertainment system is a big disappointment. I don’t mind switching from Emirates to Philippine airlines from DXB but these kind of changes stop me from doing so.
This vlog is 8 months old, we are coming to the end of 2024. My wife went back to the Philippines two weeks before Christmas and already back stateside. She did the same last year, Christmas season of 2023. Each time she took United Airlines direct flight and it was a significantly better experience than what PAL could offer. The long lines at PAL, the inefficiency, the significantly higher fares, the delays, the longer flight time because PAL is economizing jet fuel while in flight are all aggravating. PAL needs a serious infusion of capital to be able to buy more planes, hire more office staff and plane crew, and overhaul its scheduling so as to minimize or eliminate totally flight delays. It can be done, PAL can learn from other airlines. All these improvement must be done NOW, not next year or in the future. A damaged reputation is just hard to rehabilitate.
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Does the A320neo fit in this Airlines
for me yeah
I think the A220 is a better option from my perspective
Yes, as of now PAL did not ordered yet
A330-900 is good for PR's long haul and regional routes, another good choice is A320 NEO and more A321 NEO's.
+1 from an ex Garuda 77W
I hope PAL will resume its London-Manila route to serve the Filipinos in the UK.
Better take Air France 🇫🇷 just take the Eurostar train from London to Paris Gare du Nord then by bus or train to Charles de Gaulle Airport, don't expect PAL flying to Europe 🇪🇺 as their US and Canada routes are their Cash Cow.
Highly Recommended for that is BOEING B787-8 or B787-9.. the B787-10 is shorter range than B787-8 B787-9.. also Recommended the AIRBUS A330-800NEO. WITH GREAT RANGE.. WITH 16.050KM compare to BOEING B787-9 with 14.900KM
Can you do Thai Airways?
PAL needs to update its livery
Philippine Airlines needs to be rebranded because it's livery is almost 40 yrs. old, new main hub(probably New🆕 Manila International Airport in Bulacan) and Boeing 787 Dreamliners to replaced it's ageing Airbus a330s
Cebu pacific is doing well though
What happened to RP-C7776?
in May, they returned it to the lease Company
They struggled but they don't give up
YO I AM THE FRST COMMENT YAY
Cebu Pac played the post Covid game way better than PAL.
True some mistakes but people airlines make mistakes 💯 percent
Would love to fly in a 787 with PAL's livery!
The dreamliner, aka the deathliner. (It probably has a fatal flaw)
@@jayedatredes2890the battery, gear, engine problem was fixed by boeing already so it can't be a detahliner
If you think PAL will get any better? Not in another century
The biggest thing holding back PAL imo is Manila's transfer/connecting flight facilities.
Connecting via Manila is a nightmare, having to manually transfer your bags yourself (sometimes), no airside buses/people movers, and limited lounge/dining/shopping options.
PAL also isnt helping itself with terrible scheduling, often resulting in 10 hour+ layovers.
PAL would be in a stronger position if only they were able to capture the transit market too. Perhaps they should try working with the less congested international airports such as Cebu-Mactan and build better transit facilities and procedures there.
PAL relies too much on the captive Filipino market to fill their seats for direct flights. They should really work on capturing the transit market too, especially the ASEAN-US market which is one of their relative strengths compared to other airlines in the region. Perhaps they can even try penetrating the PRC-Aus/NZ market too.
Also their expensive ticket prices, a roundtrip flight to LAX with PR costs 52k in PHP while a flight with the likes of CI and BR is around 42-45k PHP. (My grandma recently went to the States and she flew with CI, while my mom flew with EK though she was headed for Florida and not California)
Id actually say, they are focusing a lot more on transit customers, maybe more so than before.
I’ve noticed they are popular with Thai, Indonesian, Malaysian and Vietnamese flyers as a connection to North America. This is evidenced by the fact they fly wide bodies to Thailand somedays.
Anyways, hopefully MNL will get better transit facilities soon. I like T1 but it’s entirely too cramped, lacking in amenities and needs an accessibility overhaul in order to be a reliable and comfortable transit hub.
PAL Should Order A320Neo And A321XLR
PAL should also consider taking a a220 for its shorter routes....
That is a good idea
Small Airport and Pandemic restrictions are the reasons why
PAL should have updated its new more modern livery. The present livery has been existed since 1986.
Hopefully 787 will replace the old A330CEOs in the future
But you are NOT the fleet planner of LUFTHANSA, are you?
Uganda?
@@kermecke I think you replied the wrong person...
Can you do an update on Air France's fleet
Cebu is pronounced Seh-bu, but See-buu
BRO! MY FLAG CARRIER AGAIN!?
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I think it's time for Philippine Airlines to upgrade their livery. So much potential
for me its amazing and perfect
I like their current livery
Pal need 240
Pal need 380😊
Like it however if they do get back the 4 planes from LH RP-C3503-3507 A359s. Philippine Airlines is still outnumbered by its competitors in Hong Kong Cathay Pacific (國泰航空) and Singapore Airlines since they have 48 and 63 A350s. I wonder what engine for A320neo are they going to use to replace A320-214s 1990s to 2013 vintage. Remember the airline is a long time General Electric customer. The two five star Airlines can offer a lower fare from New York to Manila both ways $863-1500.
planes pal should order and return:
B787
A330 NEO
B747
DC-10 And MD-11
ATR-72
A340
A380
B737
A321 XLR
A321 NEO
B717
A350-1000
B757
B767
Original A330
Dash 8
You can’t return the already retired old aircraft like the GE-powered A330, 744, MD-11, DC-10, & A340. They’re already gone. The A380 & 748 wouldn’t make sense coz it wasn’t justified the business model, just like what Emirates did.
I'm the 201 to comment
787-9s for PAL
When JFK to CEBU
The food is the usual complaints Pals passenger old and new.
Will PAL fly the A350-1000 non-stop from Manila to Orlando and return?
All 777s need to be replaced with A350-1000s and A330 neos.
I hope PAL will never buy from Boeing.
Addendum: PAL is waiting for the 9 A350-1000s they ordered.
PAL still believe Boeing, because PAL planning to ordered 777X
@@PhilippinesTravelFan I hope they will cancel it.
Welp, they acquired 2 ex-garuda Indonesia 777s, well at least it has newer interior
@@roamaroundgisg7362how are they gonna cancel it? Like go to the pal office and say "pls cancel b777x orders"
Too late, they already have Boeing's
If only they could improve their service ...........
I guess they should also join an alliance
From what I understand, they tried, and they're not wanted
The problem is that the three alliances are founded by PR East Asian Premium competitors TG🇹🇭 KE🇰🇷 and CX🇭🇰. One of them CX has the exact Mainline Fleet models as PR from the A320 to A350-1000 with CX🇭🇰 > PR🇵🇭
Philippine Airlines To Buying Boeing 777-200ER and 737-900 and 767-300 and 767-400ER Please Now. 👍
Can you do Cebu Pacific
I hear that the A-380 might be making a comeback? If so I think it'll be prudent of PAL to purchase a couple, particularly as there's talk of a new state-of-the-art airport to constructed in the not to distant future. The land has already been set aside. Whether the original airport remains open is unknown.
I'd beg to differ, actually. The A380 simply isn't an economical choice for airlines like PAL who do not operate on a hub-and-spoke mode (a good example of an airline which operates on a hub-and-spoke model would be Emirates, which operate 116 A380s). Current passenger numbers for PAL wouldn't justify the purchase as well, and then we've got the sheer cost to maintain the type, especially when compared to smaller twin-engine aircraft. Not a lot of airlines can justify the need for A380s, thus the reason why A380 production ended early.
I still prefer ANA or Cathay Pacific over PAL.
I agree also consider Singapore Airlines recently I asked Filipinos who went on the original world's longest flight from Newark to Singapore SQ21 and then onwards to Manila on SQ918 they are actually willing to try it again.
I think boeing 787-9 is better
Since 2014 (Al Jazeera documentation about the 787) we have learned ad nauseam that Boeing has sacrificed its safety culture. Rules (for safety) are not followed, and then the docs are forged or (if something happens, like a door blowout) nobody can find them. I will never again step into a Boeing plane. Airlines ordering such planes run the risk of long delivery delays, of groundings, or worse.
Less go my Flag Carirer
If the 747-8i is still in production, we may see PAL ordering/leasing a bunch of them given their interest in the past
It is not.
philippine airline is suck now even their a350 cabin was not good compare to other airline and the service is shit
I definitely think PAL should replace their a330s cos Cebu Pacific has already replaced their a330-300s with neos
what you don't seem to understand, it takes a lot of money to buy airplanes
@@WRic86 yea and probably if PAL ever announces it, then it’ll take a while.
They need some A220’s and ATR’s
I also think A220s and even Embraer E190 E2 would be helpful in ASEAN and Asia Pacific routes.