Could The Airbus A330neo Become The World's Most Popular Airliner?
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2024
- When it comes to smaller widebodies, Airbus’ main offering is the A330neo, a re-engined, update of the popular A330.
But, well, if this aircraft family’s closest rival is the Boeing 787 family, then it would appear that Airbus’ A330neo is falling behind and not quite living up to the legacy set by its predecessor.
But is there any chance that this could change in the future? Are airlines in certain pockets of the world poised to order this aircraft type?
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With the B787 production rate of 5 aircraft per month, it doesn't take a genius to figure out why the A330 NEO is a good alternative. It actually is available.
You can't make money if you don't have planes. Good luck if you ordered the 787.
Well, A330 NEW has production rate of 2.5 aircraft per month, and backlog of 188 aircraft, so it is not much better.
It's actually available and airlines still don't want it.!!!
@@Toby-bm4nn 200 orders.
With all the hassle with 787 deliveries I wouldn't be surprised if some airlines start looking at the 330. They can only wait for so long for new aircraft.
Exactly right. You may *WANT* a B787, but can you wait 5 years?
@@karlp8484 The A330 production rate was two per month so far in 2024. The backlog is 188 aircraft, and 12 months are one year. So do the math!
I think part of the reason that the A330neo appears to have low sales is because the old A330 had such an incredible level of success without any direct competition.
The old A330 faced the 767 and 777, which are too small and too large, respectively, to compete with the A330. Hence, the old A330 was basically unopposed in the market.
Meanwhile, the A330neo was a slightly too late response to the market-leading 787. Without the 787, perhaps we would've seen more orders for the A330neo.
As a sidenote, I think the A330neo sales is a good predictor for what future 777x sales would look like. This time around, it would be the A350 who will have the stronger market share and the 777x would be the one trying to catch up.
The A330neo is basically the original A350 before it was sent back to the drawing board to become a wider composite plane.
If the A330neo can become fully SAF compatible it's relative efficiency will become less of an issue at least environmentally.
Yes, I think that the Airbus A330neo still have a shot at being a popular widebody aircraft in the next decade because I loved its 2-4-2 configuration in Economy Class, which is more enjoyable for pairs than the 3-3-3 layout on the Airbus A350-900 XWB and Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which is more enjoyable only for a group of three or more, and also its common type rating with other Airbus aircrafts, which allows pilots to switch between aircrafts with only a few days of training.
The A330neo’s unpopularity might be one of its biggest strengths. It’s available relatively fast and Airbus has proofed itself to be able to deliver aircraft on time in comparison to Boeing. The neo might be slightly inferior to the Dreamliner when it comes to actual performance, but it’s still an efficient and modern type that’s a big upgrade to an A330ceo or a Boeing 767. Furthermore, the A330 family is also known to be a capable short and medium haul aircraft, with for example Saudia considering the aircraft for those operations as the A320neo backlog is so immense they can’t keep their growth plans with the current rate Airbus is able to deliver the A320neo. They are considering to order up to 80 A330neos; and Airbus is currently rumored to develop a new version of the A330neo with improved performance on short flights.
My advice to all who want to speak up: Check the data first!
Airbus had produced 32 A330neos in 2023, which is 2.7 per month. In the first 5 months of 2024 it was 10 or 2 per month. This is sluggish and disappointing. The current backlog stands at 188 frames. Even if Airbus managed to increase the delivery rate to 4 per month soon, the current backlog would employ the entire system for nearly four years. Add "China" ("over 100", so let us assume 120) and a possible 40 frame order of Cathay, we had 40 more months, and another 27 on top if DELTA would act to replace all their remaining aging midsized aircraft (767, 757-300, A330ceo) with this new jet.
At its peak, several years ago, Airbus produced more than 9 A330/A340 per month.
To wrap it up, Airbus COULD make availability of slots a sales argument pro A330 neo, but to do so they had to make slots really available!
I like A330
I love it!
My favorite Aircraft. Pretty, comfy and absolute king of the butter landings.
@@miks564Butter?? 🙄
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Butter landings is what it’s usually called to very smooth landings.
The A330 is a master on those
@@miks564 “butter landings” is what people on UA-cam call very smooth landings.
In the real world of aviation, it’s called a “greaser”.
A reason why the A330-900neo has enjoyed a resurgence in sales is the lower initial cost per plane compared to the 787. In fact, with the range oi 7,200 nautical miles with the 251-tonne variant, the A330-9000neo has become a suitable replacement for the aging 777-200ER fleet for many airlines. In fact, I expect Delta Air Lines to replace their A330-300 fleet with the A330-900neo over the next 10-12 years.
Its not that much cheaper at all .. thats the problem I see with it.
The equivalent to the 777-200ER is the A350-900. The A330-900 is slightly smaller but now matches the range of the -200ER. The A350 clearly beats every 777 range.
It is interesting to study the Wikipedia page "DELTA Air Lines fleet" and compare the (real world!) seating configurations shown.
@@KlausErmecke But the A350-900 is quite a bit more expensive than the A330-900neo. And the range of the A350-900 is way overhill unless you fly really long transoceanic routes.
If the doors stay on its good
Old joke, it is becoming Annoying
Unoriginal and unfunny jokes.
@@krongkiatearthsakulleelara6714 no one asked boeing fan
@bahaviation2070 still works unlike boeings model of trusting buisness managers over engineers.
I mean it ain't a boeing
One of the biggest issues is the high cabin altitude compared to 787
The a330neo is less favored with carriers than its predecessors because of the prevalence of the 787. However, it is not going to flop given the engineering excellence and exceptional range of this aircraft type.
I really wish the A330 neo gets its lucky break.
Where it really shines especially in the Philippines (thru Cebu Pacific), is the way it can be used as a mixed traffic aircraft.
Where it is designed to be ready for both multiple short island hops or long haul flights and yet be more durable to the streeses of frequency of it being flown while having less need in maintenance downtime.
One tough and strong work horse
Once everyone gives in to the (horrible) switch to 3-3-3 I'm sure it'll catch on. 2-4-2 is by far my favorite economy config, and sadly I don't see there being much of a future with it.
My thoughts exactly. I love flying the a330 because the seat layout is far superior. 2-4-2 means everyone has either an aisle seat or is just one seat away from an aisle. If you are flying with your partner or a friend you can book two seats together and don't have to share your row. It's just so much better.
The weakness of A330 neo is range, because if we see the 787-9 can fly up to 16 hrs with his longer range. And it seems like many airline operating 787 for 10 hrs+ flight. While the A330 neo still struggling with his range. And then the comfort, 787 have wider cabin so it's make cabin comfortable especially for crew i don't know but if so far i'm seeing 787 have proper crew rest area than A330 neo. Feel free to share your opinion ( this my amateur opinion 😀)
Numbers sold does not equal success. Profit does.
Thanks to its relatively ridiculously small budget, the A330neo can cover its development costs in the low hundreds of units sold, wheras the 787 will need to be well into four figures to achieve the same.
The 787 may be a far better long range aircraft, wheras the A330 can be a better prospect for shorter journeys and has even been beefed up to cope with the increased flight cycles that type of operation incurs.
I suspect that the A330neo will achieve the returns that Boeing can only look on with envy as the 787 returns disappoint.
I do wonder what level of sales the A330neo will need to achieve before its success is widely recognised.
Even as an Airbus, the A330neo is a bit of an anomaly, it is effectively close to what the (rejected by airlines) A350 was intended to be, as such, the sales achieved so far are amazing!
a330neo development cost: USD 2 billion
787: USD 32 billion
with +300 orders the a330neo is a success and I bet airbus is happy with their backlog and what will come
right, IF Boeing cannot deliver at 12-15 planes a month, 330 Neo will do well to take at least a third of the market if not more. It is a very good aircraft esp for budget airlines .
I think smaller wide-body aircraft have an advantage over larger ones in terms of flexability with routs and seasonal travel. The A330neo is a nice jet for any airline and the seating configuration is my favorite (2x4x2 on Condor). But if an airline wants to wait for the 787 to use exclusively on long haul, maybe???
Is it possible that the ace up the sleeve of the A330 neo could be it's non composite fuselage.
I heard that converting 787s to freight was difficult due to the composite frame.
Being easier to convert for freight after use as a passenger aircraft could be the ace up the sleeve for Airbus.
This could end up being the deciding factor regards total costs to an airline.
Soon there will be many 777s that can be converted to freighters. A330 will not have any chance.
@@hakanevin8545why not?
@@Som09mer There will be a lot of cheap 777s available. Conversion costs will be similar. Why convert a smaller aircraft (A330) with the same cost of a 777?
The A330neo is going to be the most popular, most universal and the most satisfying Aircraft ever built ! Because this aircraft has been kept around for so long, airbus has done nothing but improve this piece of beautiful machinery they never gave up on it ,even when the sales were low !!!!!!VERY VERY IMPRESSIVE ! AIRBUS😊😊😊😊😊
I’ve heard the most sold aircraft are the ones that have resulted problematic. I still have hope that the A330neo’s chance of shining still lays ahead
I'm not a fan of Boeing, but the problem for the A330 is that it's up against newer tech. Not many people want to buy old vs new. I think Airbus should have scrapped it and gone with an A350-800, 900, 1000 and look to have engines built to be capable of powering a 1100. Maybe someone at Airbus is just too stubborn to accept that the A330 is not what airlines are looking for.
I agree that Airbus should have developed A350-800, but they could keep A330Neo as well. Actually A330Neo is doing pretty good to place pressure on 787 prices. Without A330Neo, Boeing could make more profit in 787 sales.
One problem with A330Neo is its being called "Neo - New Engine Option". A330Neo is NOT only new engine option. It has the new wings which have the best aspect ratio in the market. Airbus spent a lot of money for the new wings, but few people know that it is even better than 787's.
It is kind of marketing mistake.
@@hakanevin8545 You make a good point that it's probably keeping a lid on prices. I guess it's fine to keep the A330 going, but would it not be more productive for Airbus to just focus on one series for widebodies, the A350? Shared parts and processes, rather than two separate ones for a product that seems less popular. I guess it depends how profitable the A330 is. I didn't know that about the wings, but thought I read that the new ones aren't composite, which seems disappointing, unless there is a reason for that? Recently, on the A350 they were able to make the sidewalls thinner than previously to add extra cabin width, is this not possible on the A330? There seems like some limitations, and things they haven't done with it, which makes me feel like it's a dated product. It can get some sales because the backlog is shorter, but in my view it's not a compelling product. I think they didn't build the A350-800 because of a lack of interest at the time, but maybe now things would be different. It also bothers me that they allowed Emirates to sign such a huge deal with Boeing for the 777X without attempting to provide some competition. Yes, there is the issue of an engine to power something larger like an 1100, but there should have been forward planning. Emirates have been saying for years that they needed a replacement for the A380's. I just think that the Airbus lineup could be better. Just my opinion.
@@StopMediaFakery - Manufacturing composite wings is very expensive.
- Airbus did some improvements in A330Neo cabin space already.
- Airbus did some talks with GE for a re-engined and larger A350 between 2019-2021, but at the end they decided not to follow that route and wait until Ultrafan. I agree with you for that case as well.
Lot of A330-200's are getting real old, the A330NEO is the go to replacement given how long the 787 deliveries will take
You forgot to mention that A330Neo has the best wing *aspect ratio* in its class. Higher A/R means lower fuel burn and A330Neo has an A/R of 11 while all other wide bodies, including 787, 777X, A350 have A/R around 9.5.
Turkish Airlines could very well need it. A350 + 787 for Expansion, A330neo to replace current A330
But they didn't order it. They already ordered A350 and now they will order 787.
TK had been the largest A330 operator for some time, before Neo.
KLM should order them to replace their A330-300 somewhere in the future. They already ordered the A350 to replace the A330-200.
I think one of the major advantages of the A330neo compared to the 787 family (or the bigger A350-800 even) is availability and price. If you already operate Airbus jets in your fleet you'll benefit from the common type rating and/or shorter transition training, and if want your new aircraft delivered sooner than later, it's an attractive option. While flag carriers will likely opt for the more modern and efficient designs with composite materials, the A330neo, which doesn't quite match those aircraft, is still a fairly efficient aircraft, cheaper, and with less of a backlog of orders.
PAL is expected to order the A330neos in the coming years to replace it's aging A330ceos especially as PAL is set to become an all-Airbus airline as they start to gradually retire their entire B777-300ERs fleet and replace them with the delivery of the ordered A350-1000s. So it would make sense that PAL ordered the A330neos instead of the B787 since PAL already operates the A330ceos, as well the A350s, both -900 and -1000, by the time PAL makes an announcement to replace their existing A330ceos. And of course due to common type rating for PAL's pilots.
Absolutely and a joy up front!
I was previously optimistic about the A330neo, but I’m not so sure now. The general trend is towards upsizing to large aircraft, so airlines might go for the A350, even for short haul. Airbus has already made a lighter A350 for Japan Airlines for them to use on sub 3-hour domestic flights, so the capability is there. The only way I see the Neo getting a massive boost in orders is if developing countries’ airlines wants to upgrade their fleet without a huge price premium and A350 warrants. It’s composite fuselage also requires additional maintenance support.
Yes with the troubles at the competitor, it’s going to be greater and greater possibility not because of the trouble with the competitive, but I think it’s a good aircraft, solid performance interior is incredible. I think overhaul and people give it a second look. The wonder why it wasn’t given a first look.
Im super proud of Airbus. The A330neo is such an underdog aircraft. But with the inclusion of upgrades, it should make the Neo more compatible with many major Airports.
Meanwhile, with everything going on at Boeing, it's a golden opportunity for the Neo variants to see extra orders moving forward.
its a beautiful jet hope i get to fly on an a330neo one day
When companies have mixed fleets, the 787 is typically the more efficient and versatile option.
With Airbus only fleets, some operators prefer to step up and go for the A350 instead.
However, the A330 neo remains a very good all purpose aircraft, so I expect more to replace A330 ceo in the future as they get older.
Qantas only got the A330ceo because they were considering ordering the A380 (then the A3XX) and were an all Boeing airline with 767s and 747s for their long haul flights.
Airbus offered A330s at large discounts (with some units for free) in order to lock in an order for the A380 while giving the airline some experience with Airbus aircraft before the 380 arrived.
I love how you know more than anyone else, nobody else knows what price Qantas paid for them but you seem to know, even going as far as saying they had a large discount, can I ask where you get your information from?
For free? News to me haha.
As far as I'm aware, the A330 fleet for QF has been its most profitable international aircraft fleet, by miles. It was the only thing that saved the international brand during COVID, GFC, 2011 industry disputes, and the prolonged 2010s competition strain on the Asian markets
One more thing, they can be sold fairly easily on the second hand market to be transformed into A330MRTT
The efficiency advantage of the 787 will always be tempting to airlines. I don't see the A330 becoming more popular if Boeing gets its house in order. But the point on the Asian market is a good reason for Airbus to feel confident of upping its sales.
Cathay Pacific and Philippine Airlines are at the stage where they will be needing to consider their medium-haul widebody fleets… Cathay is due to announce its order intents at the upcoming Farnborough Air Show. Remember, Cathay operates a big fleet of A330s.
PAL is within the next 2 years. The A330 is the airline’s bread and butter for its East Asian, Middle East and Oceania routes.
To your point, Malaysia Airline will begin to take delivery of its first 3 A330neos this year. They have 20 on order.
AirAsia X placed an order for 34 A330neos but it won’t take delivery until 2026, in anticipation of Airbus’s announcement of further delays to its delivery schedule for 2025.
I like the A330neo. airbus can easily deliver these jets on time as they have a less amount of back log to deal with than boeing. they need to get their acts together and sort out all the issues they have before they deliver more aircraft. there are some airbus incidents but not as many as boeing has. airbus could easily over take deliveries in time, as airlines are looking to upgrade their fleets soon.lets see what happens? also the A330 is a fabulous aircraft even if it doesnt get as many orders as the 787 does.
Airbus is playing the long game with the NEO...the 787 is a marvel of engineering but Boeing's missteps with quality control is a benefit to the A330neo...no one is getting their 787s fast enough to capitalize on the up tick in passenger traffic and every month is some other issue... the A350 is booked solid for at least another 3-5 years the NEO is available NOW and its performance isn't that far off from the A350 and 787
The A330 cockpit is newer than the one on the 787 as it inherits the A350 flight controls (unfortunately still with the old screen size displays).
It also features the most efficient wings in commercial aviation with less aerodynamic drag because they too, were an improvement over the ones on the A350. The biggest disadvantage of the A330 neo is its weight compared to the lighter 787.
@@miks564 the weight can be due to the use of traditional aluminum rather than composite materials...but your right the fact that the NEO is so advanced and efficient due to just a wings and engines is really something
Much better for couples with 2-4-2 seating. Hopefully more airlines will buy the 339. Any orders for the 800?
You know it’s not good if it’s not picked up by the Lufthansa group
You failed to mention another reason nobody is buying the A330neo - the A350-900. It's similar in size to the A330-900, but it's newer, more economical, has higher cruise speed, and can fly 1100-2600 nmi further. It's just a superior aircraft, and A330 pilots can transition to it with only about a week of training. Another thing that's hurting both Airbus widebodies is that they only come with Rolls Royce Trent engines, which is an issue for A330 GE or P&W operators, especially that Boeing is offering GE engines on the 787. Emirates in particular isn't a big fan of these newer Trent engines, which is why they chose the 777X instead of the A350-1000.
And emirates have no choice but to buy the a350 because the 777x is not yet certified until 2025.
This is complete nonsense! Firstly A330-900Neo was late to market, it was also up against an excellent airliner in the B787 so sales were expected to start slowly. Your notion that airlines are put off Airbus by the fact they`re powered by RR Trents is a joke, just look at the sales of A350-900 & -1000 perhaps you`ll educate yourself. RR Trent 700 was by far the best selling engine on A330Ceo for a reason & those airlines wanting to upgrade their P&W or GE Ceo`s to Neo`s have nothing to fear as Delta Airlines have proven. Emirates have ordered many A350-900`s so they ARE a `big fan` of the newer Trents, Sir Tim has criticised the -1000 -97 engines for his own reasons but if you look at -1000 recent orders you`ll see he`s the only one because Delta, JAL, KLM, Korean, Ethiopean, & EVA are happy to buy it, with most of those using it to replace the B777-300ER. A330Neo will do great also, with many happy Ceo operators wanting to upgrade in the future in particularly the Chinese airlines.
@@edwardwilcox6606 Sir Tim Clark literally called the Trent XWB "defective". The issue for Emirates is that these engines require up to 75% more maintainance than GE's when operated in a hot environment (such as Emirates Dubai hub). Emirates currently have 65 A350s on order, all of which are of the smaller -900 variant, compared to 205 777Xs (170 of which, the larger -9), 90 of which they ordered last year despite the constant delays, and other issues at Boeing. No matter how you look at this Airbus has lost that particular battle, badly.
For the record, I'm not saying RR makes bad engines nor that the A350 is a bad plane (I actually think it's a much better aircraft than the 787). I am saying however that the lack of options is an issue. For airlines already operating GE engines, getting a GE-powered 787 will be simply cheaper than adding a Trent-powered aircraft to their fleet. The same would be true if a Trent operator was to consider getting a GE-only aircraft like the 777X. The 787 however gives these customers options, the A330neo and A350 do not.
@@FloppaAppreciationSociet-ds7zf My argument with what you suggest is just wrong. AB don't need Emirates & they don't need GE, they are selling all the RR WB's they can make, they have a huge backlog & having RR as sole supplier isn't hurting AB in the least. Also Sir Tim never wanted A350-1000 although after ordering B777X he relised it had improved enough to be attractive but he stuck with Boeing & he may have to pay the price if it's delayed even further. Your figures on GE's over RR durability are pure fanboyism. Any shortfall on -97 will soon be dealt with improvements in the meantime it's doing well....just look at the orders!
@@edwardwilcox6606 Fanboyism? I don't have any strong feelings towards any engine company one way or another, only a crazy person would. You're the one attacking me because I apparently insulted Rolls Royce.
Anyway, I gave you Emirates rationale for not buying more A350s, if you think that's fanboyism, then it's Emirates' fanboyism not mine. I did get the figures wrong though, because according to Sir Tim Clark, XWB engines spend only "a quarter of the time on wing" between service visits, so they actually require 250% more maintainance not 75%, that's my bad, but I guess Sir Tim Clark just a fanboy anyway. Also, Rolls Royce CCO Ewen McDonald didn't even deny these claims, in fact he went on record saying that the engine is "challenged" in "sandy, hot conditions", but I guess he's a fanboy as well.
yes
I used to be a Boeing Fanboy.... But with all the issues i'm tired of supporting them.. started to love the A350 after studing it. A330-200/300 started to become a fav. A340-500 is my #1 just love the look lol. after seeing the A330-800/900 Neo's i was all it. yea it hasnt sold like hot cakes but i think the frame is in the right place at the right time. 787 is a great frame but boeing is fumbling it. 747 will always be the queen. nothing will ever take that away. A380 came in and joined it but not replaced it. King and Queen of the Sky's. Airbus is in a good spot me thinks lol
Talking about the A330 Neo... I wonder what's going on with the A330 neos that ARKIA ordered in 2015. They've still not been delivered or even produced as far as I know. Its a genuine mystery as quite literally nobody seems to know what happened
It seems it was a MoU. It never became a firm order.
A350 & 787 are the latest on everything and it seems many airlines prefer them more for that among other things.
I wish British airlines bought more A330 NEOs because the plane has such a high British component content (wings, Rolls Royce engines etc). I would much prefer to go on this than a Dreamliner on a short or long - haul flight. Well done Virgin Atlantic for having some NEO's.
It comes down to basic economics and training programs. Both airframe makers built beautifully designed jets, one ahead of the other.
It's the airlines preference and taste to venture elsewhere, it should be that hard to adapt these days with the advance in computerized resources.
'Flappin yo wings to be popular' 😂
The most beautiful well-designed/balanced aircraft ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤🤍
the A330 is a workhorse while the A350/B787 are flagships. just look at what airlines buy which and where the planes are flown. I see a bright future for the A330neo replacing older A330/B772/B767 on routes that simply need a reliable high capacity airliner and little of the premium bells and whistles to make money.
The A330 Neo has a considerably slower cruise speed than the 787
We might call it "considerably", but typical operational cruising speed is usually around .82 on the A330 and .84 on the 787.
However, A330s can maintain cruise speed at .86. They don't use this speed due to fuel burn optimization.
If an airline gets a 787 then its cruising speed is higher. Otherwise not.
Considering the fact that the 330neo was basically a contingency against the 787 it's doing quite a good job.
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I think United Airlines could make good use of a couple of these aircraft especially if they were to based in Orlando !
With Boeing shake up leader, im pretty sure that A330nei will leapfrogged their unpopularity status. Dont forget they have building facility that they are not run 100% and not use the unused facility to A350, sooo they're faster than anyone else right now even the Popular A350. Airbus is Consortium to challenge the mighty eagle U.S made Boeing🔥🔥🔥
Airbus is not a consortium any more but a fully integrated company-
It seems like a natural choice for an airline that wants a wide-body but doesn't need the range of a 787/A350.
Chinese and Indian domestic carriers, US transcon and transatlantic service, etc. 767s can't fly forever.
It's the legend of Airbus and l think will stay for decades, the A330 it is born from the A300, so will be a star in the sky for decades
I work on the a330 neo assembly Line and Airbus want to ramp up the production from 4 per month to 11
The unit price is too high. It's an absolutely perfect aircraft .. my favourite in fact but they are simply charging too much for it.
Maybe after boeing has a catastrophic failure with a 787 from the faulty construction.
A beautiful 😍 Bird.
The a330 is an awesome aircraft
Apparently VAA about to announce a load more.
Drop the 330/800 and focus on the 900 the sales will come
The biggest drawback of the 787 is that it is built by Boeing in South Carolina. With its “quality” issues apparent, I am not setting a foot in any new Boeing until they got their s#$t sorted out. And, the A330 has always been my favorite plane to fly in (together with the A340).
A-330 has the best Economy Class configuration 2-4-2
Only 2 out of 8 passengers are stuck in the middle seat
This is a reliable aircraft, loved by Pilots
The cockpit of Airbus airliners are the same, and pilots who can fly one of them can easily fly another with just a few hours upgrade.
Best Plane: A330 Neo
2) A350
3) B747-8
For Passenger confort 👍👏👏👏
You forgot A380
Qantas doesn't like RR engines, that's why. I hate flying Qantas anyway and try and avoid them as much as possible, terrible experiences. I want an A340 neo
Simple: NO.
The A330neo has a very similar problem that the 777X has so far: there are boatloads of relatively young A330ceos plus the extremely successful 787. (777X problem lots of relatively young 777-300ERs plus the slowly becoming successful A350-1000).
Both will sell a lot more at the end than they did until now, but they will both not get even close to the 787, A350.
When will the A330neo be delivered to Malaysia Airlines
Fewer middle seats, better cabin comfort
There is
We need more a330-800 orders
True. If only Delta would order the -800 to replace its 767-300ERs.
a350>777, 787>a330. these legacy air frames just don't provide the numbers that composites do.
I don’t think it’ll outsell Boeing 787 and A350
What about the 777X?
Surprised Lufthansa hasn’t gone in for them. Or Air France. European Airlines tend to prefer Airbus.
The A310 came and went before the "middle of the market" developed. Why not shrink the A330 and address that need when 757's need to retire? Airbus will be years ahead.
Why no comparison with the 350?
With all Boeings issues don't put the 330 NEO on the back burner!! BOEING PROBLEMS NEVER END GO AIRBUS ❤ ❤
Come on, don’t be crazy!!!
Boeing and Airbus build great aircraft at all competing levels, yes Boeing drastically needs to sort out their bad management and attitude problems but when it comes down to it Boeing need Airbus and Airbus need Boeing. It's the competition that keeps the pot boiling!
As an indian i wish we see more a330's in our airports
didn’t airbus need to make a two axle main landing gear for the a320 due to poor/loose terrain on which the runway was built upon, and having even a smaller airliner like the a320 could cause runway damage? this was what i heard a few years ago, maybe today the terrain has been reinforced, dunno
@@datutturugang666yes
Hawaiian defected to the 787 too.
Yes, but Boeing gave a rock bottom price for 787-9. Neither Airbus, nor Boeing won. Just the customer.
Condor's livery is very unpleasant
I wonder what drugs they were taking to come up with and approve that goofy livery.
@@walkingman9171 I was also iffy on it. But after seeing it in real life I cannot help but smiles everytime it comes up. It is the opposite of subtle....but fun.
The 330 killed the 767. Boeing responded with the 787.
Airbus's first response to the 787 was a 330 with new engines. Then decided instead to launch the 350 to replace the 330 to combat the 787.
330 remained available as a stop gap measure while 350 and 787 were being developped and sold well enough that Airbus decided to keep it and find a niche in the lesser range , while pricing the 350 at higher end for longer range missions.
People who replaced 767s with 330s don't have compelling reason to buy 330neos since the 330s are still good.
The "neo" was dirt cheap since it is a easy derivative with already available engines. It doesn't need to sell that many to make money and can last a fair biut of time in that market since Boeing has nothing since the 787 is more expesive.
the a330neo originally wasn't gonna exist, the shorter a350-800 would have existed, but due to low demand they replaced it with the neo family
at least the a330neo won't crash or fall apart mid air. It still is embarassing to see the a330-800neo being the worst selling aircraft though.
I think the A330-800 is Airbus' worst selling aircraft of all time. Even the A330-200F, A319neo and A318 sold more units than the A330-800.
most of -200 operators see -900 (if they want to stick to a330) as the logical upgrade due to similar range but with much better capacity and efficiency. most dont need the extra range offered by -800 because they are mostly want to replace it for the same routes
Airbus should stretch the A330neo
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Dreamliner is a clean slate design whereas A330neo is just a upgrade from ceo. Despite having the similar range and capacity the camparision with dreamliner is not quite fair for A330neo.
The biggest problem of the sales for the A330neo, which is not mentioned at all in this videos, is that Airbus also builds A350s, which again is a direct competitor to their own A330neo with a very similar cockpit structure.....
They're really not competing with themselves. The A350-900 has 10% more seats than the largest A330-900 (typical seating for both), the A350 can go 18% and weighs 16% more. They are not in the same market and this is confusing the smallest A350 to the largest A330neo
A330neo. The aircraft you buy when everything else is sold out...
When judging products and underlying vendor strategies, the following should be kept in mind:
1. Every A330 sold in one less 787 produced.
2. Every 787 sold under credible competitive pressure (of the A330neo) is tens of millions less profit for Boeing (than with no or only a high price competitor like the A350)
People come to buy the A330 but go home with the A350. 😅
The a big 787 selling point is that it can replace the 777 during the off-season due to having a similar range, making it economical to operate with fewer seats.
The A330neo has much shorter range than the A350 and is not feasible to swap, so they are trying to market it as an economic switch from the A320 during the busy season. However, airlines would rather fly 2 A320s and offer the customer more choice for a short trip than fly the A330.
The success of the A320 and A350 family is also negatively affecting the A330. Airbus is bumping A350 production by 3/month but A330 only by 1/month. Even with slow sales at the current production rate, the backlog is 4 years.
No. Too expensive, too heavy, same pax capacity as the A350. The 787 is cheaper, burns less fuel, weighs less, and can travel the same distance. If you are in the market for extreme range, just get the A350, which is objectively better in every single way vs the A330
The price! The price! 787 is cheap! Non sense!
Do you know why Boeing suddenly urges all airline operators to switch to 3-3-3 economy configuration from its original 2-4-2?
Turns out 787's numbers does not give them that much comfortable margin over A330neo. Factoring A330neo's cheaper acquisition price, the 787 operators is facing a real tough depreciation cost that negates its superior efficiency up to first couple of years.
Switching to 3-3-3 makes 787's economy seats 1 inch narrower than A330neo (from the originally +0.5" wider), making them slightly inferior in terms of hard product. Plus 3-3-3 layout is never that good, even-numbered seat rows for economy is always the best.
Still 787 wins for me in terms of novelty and passenger experience. A350 is just meh, just another new airliner. While A330 always reaffirms itself to my own already biased pro-Airbus stance and A330 being my favourite plane: it still is the best plane for passenger after all.
Lol 350 is meh? Tough opinion
Original 2-4-2 for 787? I think only Japan Airlines have that configuration. The rest of the world always had 3-3-3.
And manufacturer doesn't urge airlines about seat configuration. It is airline's call. For example Airbus now offers 10 abreast seats for A350. But it is upto the airlines to choose it or not.
And are you aware than A330 is older than 787? Boeing could pick 787 fuselage width accordingly.
The A330NEO is quality, and the nightmareliner is garbage.
I believe the A330 is the rival to 777. The A350 rival.is 787
You didn't define 'new generation aircraft' so I have no idea what your reference point is.
The a330s glory days are over and the 787 will continue to outsell it tenfold unless Airbus continues giving them away. Similar to how Airbus is eating Boeing lunch with the a350 over the 777.
Yeah 787 and A350 have largely replaced 777 and A330 as the most common aircraft for long haul flights
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