"Slow patches are good actually"
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I always found it a little ridiculous when people criticize a slower patch when the previous one typically gives a massive new area, quests, etc. Like guys, the staff has to breathe at some point.
Even from a lore or story perspective it surprises me how many people are stunned there’s a patch where normal things happen. We spent three patches with a nation in crisis; now we get to see how it normally functions.
Hold on you're actually kinda right
@@Juvy_qv I remember people getting upset about the film event for not being thrilling, when the main reason Fontaine was having the film event was to finally have some fun after almost drowning.
I get people like excitement but I kinda enjoy the characters getting to relax and talk to each other.
Meanwhile I'm watching HSR creators be like "omg please can we have a slow patch there's too many characters and zero time to save"
Vars u mean?
HSR had slow patches before the new region released, but that did not stop them from releasing 2 new five stars every patch.
@@farius8506 you talk about dry patches, just when huohuo and ruan mei are being released, I mean they are the best supports in game, so their patch were far from dry
I'm pretty sure it will be soon after the main Penakony story , around big news about Natlan.
And will work like a circle for both games
@@djampoucheukap1742just because the characters are good doesn’t mean the patch isn’t dry af. its about the content being released in the patch and for 1.5 and 1.6 that was only pure fiction, gold and gears and a weekly boss.
I love the sentence: "And just like clockwork, Genshin is dying." Yup
"And like clockwork, the game is dying." That is literally the talk whenever something slightly inconvenient happens to Genshin. It's actually hilarious for long the game has been dying😂.
It's dying so slowly that I wonder if it's even dying lol.
@Diamond1234 Unfortunately, it is suffering a very dire condition called LIFE.
@@zente3003 Life is a curious condition whereby upon being born, you will slowly grow and simultaneously decay until your body enters the state of complete stillness called 'death'. This process is called 'dying'.
Every game is dying all the time. Gamers analytics really trip me out
I 100% agree with the guy that said dry patches allow them to work on backlog, I’ve got like 3-4 units back logged that I’m slowly filling out over the course of this patch and the amount of teams I will be able to build once they are done is gonna be phenomenal. 100% sure people complaining about dead patch still have plenty of stuff to do in game that they are just ignoring
Slow patches allows me time to organically explore areas I have never explored before. I just got back to Inazuma and I found someone under the Tenshukaku with exclamation mark on his head. Apparently I happened to stumble upon a message in a bottle while exploring the south eastern part of Dragonspine that belonged to him. Yet another secret quest I would have never gotten if they're keep forcing us to be current with the storyline.
Finally someone who actually explored,instead of bitching abt how bad the domain drop,how low the resin cap is or how boring the update is.
Facts this is me rn I’m finally exploring the parts of sumeru I never got to explore & that recent liyue village including Fontaine.
You could have done that in any patch. Stop coping.
@@TheTsugnawmi2010 stop hating
How many times has genshin died now? At least 3 times.
I remember a really bad mmo were people said "dead game" everyday for 11 years until the game actually died, and in that case the game was kinda really dying since year 1, most players think if the game is not making 1 billion per day the game is dying.
The playerbase just has an aneurysm every new years I swear.
@@amandaslough125hence they 3 times thing😂
the first time was in 1.4 i think lol
People tend to forget that youre allowed to like something without liking all aspects 100%, and that pointing out the positives or "looking on the bright side" doesnt mean you're blind to the negative.
I started playing in January, so basically Lantern Rite. Sure I'd love a new exciting update every patch, but I also don't mind being able to hyper focus on leveling my characters/weapons/artifacts.
Was the recent Bust-A-Move style mini game super amazing and exciting and worth my time? No, not really, but I appreciate the small rewards for participating. If they didnt add that mini game at all, Id be just as content with spending that time grinding for ascenion materials.
Rn they kinda try to downplay whatever genshin give.
yeah, i started early this year in Navia Banner. I have contents to play for ages lol. Just enjoy the game and dont rush like idiots who can't control gambling habit then you are fine
@@syukrismevd3120 Genshin updates will continue to be absolute shid unless they'll make an actual Endgame game mode. It doesn't need to be hard either. It just needs to be *fun* and the place where we could use *OUR OWN* characters that we've built over the years of playing the game.
@@theskywalker8416 You are another idiоt who tries to blame "gambling addicts" and defend the current poor state of the game.
@@BulletSponge71436 Most players don't care about endgame content, genshin doesn't need to have it, nor does it want to have it.
Also the game haven't ended, it's constantly expanded.
You blame people for being selfish not wanting stuff from the game that you want, while you don't recognize that you are just as selfish if not more. You are whining and wanting this game to be something that it isn't while shitting on people who recognize what this game is and like it for exactly that.
If you don't like the lack of endgame, then look for a game that has it, there are plenty.
i have exams in this time and im glad i dont have to miss crazy lore. im not even in china and chinas levels of studying are insane so im sure genshin partially does this because most of their chinese audience are very busy people
Oh true
Relatively new to the game, having stated a bit under two months ago. But I have played other games online for decades at this point.
If this constitutes a typical "content drought" then the Genshin Community has been eating too good for too long to recognize what a true content drought is.
While I can see how there is little new to do in the quieter patches, there are still new things to do with each event. It seems like there is almost always something going on.
As for me, I have 4 years of stuff to catch up on and even now barely feel like I have the time to do so in this so called "content drought".
I'm more likely to burn out by the time I get close to catching up at this rate...
I suppose it speaks well for the game if this is the level of "drought" it takes for people to complain about wanting more.
You are speaking facts, I am a 2 year old genshin player and I still haven't gotten to exploring a lot of the regions like sumeru desserts and Enkanomiya. Yesterday I almost finished inazuma world quests after doing Fontaine's. There's way too much to do in genshin and in 3 patches we are getting two new regions. People are just straight up complaining without a good reason.
I mean lot of genshin players are new to gacha or new to gaming in general and didnt experience lots of mmo that do patches like every 6 months lol.. 6 weeks consistent patches on genshin are already good if you compare it to other live service games.
@@JohnCivor other gacha games I have played like mla, afk arena etc, have inconsistent patches and most of the time it's just a new character and a couple of rerun events. A new game mode if your lucky. But majority of the times it's 1 to 2 game modes in 3 to 4 years. And most of these game modes are just copies of previous ones.
Like you got bored with clearing the elemental towers? Here have two more towers that for some reason is time gates (I am looking at you afk arena 👀) or got bored with campaign, here have another one that doesn't upgrade your afk chest (*cough MLA *cough). Also most of these games are fan service and heavy powercreep.
I am lvl 437 in MLA btw after playing it for 3 years.
I started last june-ish and I feel the same way as you 🤣 like I do have critiques bc this is an extremely profitable company, but the way I see some ppl talk about this game just makes me laugh at this point. So so silly 😂
true, ive played games that are lucky to get a small update in a year, and ones with 2 week+ delayed seasonal events😭😭so many genshin players have no idea what a content drought and a dying game looks like
This is probably the difference between someone who plays genshin and someone who lives genshin. A lot of us have other shit to do and ever when we don't, there are other games out there.
If i fell out of love with mmos specificly because keeping up is impossible if you are intersted in doing other shit. I don't want that for genshin.
No. I don't want genshin to pump content out at a pace non of us normal people can keep up with.
It's hard enough to play like just one other game and genshin as is.
i have a freaking giant backlog and I a play an mmojrpgs, so i have plenty to do.
it feels like you can just have some nice, passive, non-demanding gameplay since theres no rush to do anything in those patches and its kinda just a leisurely activity where i'll passively work on my world exploration and other "endgame" things
Same with work i only play when i have time to spare plus i got a lot of back log on steam so i can alternate on playing genshin.
I feel u on that I got yakuza , rise of ronin , catch on other mobile games
This is like calling a friend "dead" just because they left for 2 weeks on a family vacation
LOL this is too funny
brb im gonna die rq
Or go to jail for six months
I mean, they may as well be. 2 week is too much time without your best friend.
*6 months, but I get your point
"im bored/burned out of the game."
-honest
-relatable
-eventually, you will find the game fun again.
"This game is dying"
-dishonest
-I'm bored of the game, but i wanna make it so it's everyones problem.
-i can say the same thing each week.
Based
yeah nothing wrong with taking a break once in a while i played tons of hours when it came out but skipped 1.1 completely and came back for 1.2 etc
Dead game
"The game's dialogue is boring all non non x.0 to x.2 or Dainsleif patch"
-honest *and that's the 2% of the narrative content that is actually semi acceptable the rest is mostly a floor of dialogue lines that feel written by and for children
"these devs can't even write those somewhat good patches all that well despite having an entire year to do so and consistence is rarely found"
-honest (just see how little Childe cared about not having a vision despite them showing the effects of this just 2 years ago and there is no mentioned correlation of that effect with the Foul Legacy so it made no sense like tons of other stuff almost every patch)
"all that actually matters to Hoyo is characters being appealing so that they sell well and most of the community is satisfied with that and keeps paying their abusers"
-just pure honesty
based
I will never truly complain about dry patches just because I know they're there for the developers and employees to give their all into the bigger update patches. I'd much rather that we're not burning out all of their creatives. I think there could be more done. I wouldn't say no to more interludes at all! I feel like the Aranara quest should have been an interlude quest instead of being unvoiced. They probably could bump a couple of the world quests as interlude quests and just put voices to them while featuring a couple more cameos of playable characters and it would be enough to help make the dry patch feel a little less dry.
Yeah for me at least make the main event enjoyable in gameplay and story because this patch main event it's gameplay is kinda fun but the story is not really interesting it's like small events story i like the characters we meet in the event but it's kinda basic and here I'm thinking we will get story like weinlisefest event because it is kinda the same event with the gameplay at least
Some days I forget Genshin even exists until I open UA-cam
@@alatus_knight hmmm a fair point and yet…. As a mobile player, I’d still want it lol
And I will always complain about dry patches. Especially when the game doesn't have any Endgame content in order to survive through said dry patches.
@@alatus_knight Not a fair point at all. The game is not about your little storage. If you don't have any space, then just delete the game. Stop ruining everyone's experience just because you have a limited storage.
Genshin must be a cat with nine lives considering how often the game was claimed to have "died"...
Honestly, i think Genshin, right now, is at it's best it has ever been. The Fontaine Era gave us so much epic gameplay and true bangers in terms of characters. Tons of people in my circle of friends picked up the game because of Fontaine and i think that is a good sign. As far as i know, the community (and the fandom) is growing and thriving. Heck, there even were concert events that were sold out in a flash, so they organized more concerts that sold out quickly too.
Sure, the dry patches aren't that great. Would i prefer to have content updates like the finale of the Fontaine Archon Quest each patch? Of course. But that isn't realistic. And honestly, i personally couldn't keep up with that much content since i work and study and also need some time to sleep and stuff. I don't mind the dry patches that much. For me it is just like the one comment descried it.
Also, i predict a huge spike for genshin in roughly two and a half weeks, because then we'll get Arlecchino - And the hype for her is going strong already. The drip marketing is also helping to build it up too. That surely is what a "dead" game looks like, of course. So yeah - Let's see how "dead" Genshin is claimed to be in 3 weeks.
As a busy man slow patches are very helpful for me to catch up on the things that I missed or I couldn't do, I have a life after all and I'm pretty sure most ppl feel this way too cus they have family- work etc so yeah slow patches is not bad
I am the same, I have a 9-5 job and try to be somewhat social. On top of that I play plenty of other games.
And no matter what I would always choose quality over quantity. If they should increase something in my opinion it should be quality. And it's good even for people with more time because we can always play multiple games and it's better to play multiple high quality less grindy games than single mid quality grindy game...
Slow patches are not about you and your "busy work". People like you shouldn't hinder the progress of a game which moves on its own way. You don't have to be a fashion frеаk who "has to catch up to everything" all the time. The game is not about you, and it definitely shouldn't have such absolutely dead and desolate patches like 4.5. ESPECIALLY when it doesn't even have any Endgame content.
@BulletSponge71436 take a look abt the comments section before you even open you damn mouth. It is about me it is about busy ppl that have a life not a 14yo like you also it is about me cus hoyo do slow patches since 3y now so yeah they know about it and it's secssesful strategy.
Now it's about you getting a life and don't be a loser mf
@@BulletSponge71436 They are not saying that the game is about them, just that it is convenient for them. but Hoyo is clearly making the game for people with a busy lifestyle that is why there are a lot of dead patches and the dailies can be done quickly it is obvious but Hoyo have also made references to it themselves so if you think this game is not for "busy work people" you are mistaken and probably should find another game. Hoyo is not hindering the game for casuals/busy people, they are making the game for them to hit a bigger audience. I am a person with "busy work" but when I want more content and a challenge I move to another game because I know that Genshin will never be that game for very active players.
Its also impotant to note that at this point most people wont exactly search for Genshin Impact anymore but rather for more specific things about the game so google searches arent the most accurate.
I really appreciate this hot take!!🔥Even if there is limited content, I see how players can use this opportunity to do unfinished world quests, hangouts, or exploration. For me, dry patches motivate me to hunker down in an artifact domain to build that one character or farm leylines for upcoming characters. I know my friends have started jumping between games because we’ve maxed out everything but we still come back to Genshin everyday for those perfect artifacts.
Sumeru and Fontaine have been the best…. I love Genshin, playing for over 3 years and I am not stopping anytime soon. Bring on Natlan 😅
Cannot believe we will get to Natlan this year one more nation to go
I honestly feel like players need to realise that playing any game or doing any activity daily with the same routine can get boring, we are just fortunate enough to have a lot of updates and new zones each year :D
The thing is in genshin you got a whole lot to do unlike star rail where in the end game its just MOC and PF, and occasional events (that take 30 mins to finish) and that's it. The entire region can be explored in a day, SU is a one time thing and if you really need the jades, it's time to grind achievements.
Compared to Genshin (which people for some reason like to compare) where you got a whole lot to do like got bored of exploration?do abyss or built/test characters. Got bored of that? Read the in game books if that isn't satisfactory, do hidden quests or do timed domains.
@@loreyxilluminaare u drunk? Genshin’s endgame is literally just artifact farming, which has been repetitive since launch
Abyss? Usual dps check with no strategy needed unlike during earlier patches where abyss gives debuffs instead of buffs to test players’ team building ability and play different characters effectively to clear, nowadays it’s just lazy top half AOE dmg check bottom half single target dmg check, no one likes that not bcs it’s ‘hard’, it’s lazy design, basically a extended version of daily commission that happens once every 2 weeks
Map exploring gives you absolute piss rewards from chest, 100% an area give u merely 20pulls, side quests are dogwater stories with no voice over, further demotivating players to actually do it due to the above 2 factors
The game is not dying bcs CN cherish it as it’s their first ever globally successful 3A game, so even if it’s shit, they will whale as much as possible to keep it alive
@@episode4882 "Genshin's endgame is literally artifact farming" bro you are the one that's drunk, Genshin was never a pure combat based game. You combat freaks never fucking understand that different people like different things.
You wanna play minecraft with semi realistic graphics, you got the teapot.
You like cards? Play Tcg.
You want combat? Do Abyss.
You also got different event cycling through all the time between combat and puzzle based.
Also what the fuck are you doing that a region is giving 20 pulls? This ain't hsr. Regions at most give 40-60 pulls sometimes more if it's a big one like the desert.
Also world quests being boring? You got no taste, no shot you think the narzissenkreuz quest, the tatara tales quest, aranyaka quest etc are bad like wtf.
There's a lot of people who doesn't do combat and only play the game for the lore.
@@episode4882 I am glad that someone is a human after-all.
you need to raise your standards up fr
I agree with most of the points in the video, but I think another key problem this time around is that there's no Dainsleif quest in 4.5. The pacing feels much slower for the main Archon quest compared to previous regions, we've gone 3 patches now without any significant story developments in the main Archon quest when there usually would have only been 2, so I think that contributes a lot to the current dissatisfaction and the sentiment that there's too many dry patches.
And no endgame content. It's always more difficult to wait for another patch without any endgame content. With endgame content I at least can play it for fun repeatedly until the the next patch comes.
I 100% agree with all your points.
If I can add my pov: as a new player (septembre 2023), and I started to play when there was a LOOOT of content. My feeling about this was that I felt very overwhelmed by all of this.
Now that I finished all the main things to do, I have a weird feeling: I enjoy a lot playing in "dry patches". When they add a lot of contents and events, I tend to just log in the game, play until my 4/4 daily quest equivalent is full, log out, and wait for the next day to continue.
But when there is no content, I need to fill the 4/4 daily quest without a timer event or something like that, so I'm visiting this word that I did not have time to, I'm finding a cave, with chests, with a quest inside, and other stuff! That eventually might lead to a new place I never saw. It really feels like adventure, whereas the new content feels like "forced adventure".
I don't know if it is understoodable, English is not my native language! To sum up, I went from playing 5-10mins a day, to a lot of hours per day on dry patches, being happy to have the time to complete my map, my achievements, etc! 😌
I just don’t understand. Do people not have other games they play or other hobbies? Bruh, I’m constantly juggling all my games, I’m thankful for this dry patch. Especially if you play HSR, it’s popping over there.
lol yeah, we should be glad that this isn't a game that requires you to put all your energy towards it all day every day and you don't have a whole region of content every patch or a million events that make you play every day all the time. That leads to some crazy burn out eventually if you're one of those completionist types.
(like me lol)
For new players there is SO MUCH CONTENT - I mean I started playing a year ago and I've only just now completed most things, still have a bunch of puzzles/chests, all the hangouts and a handful of world quests and I play a lot, so at a slower pace you could easily take 1.5-2 years to get through everything
I'm not sure for veterans who completed content as it came. But something I like to do is always leave some chests/puzzles across the map to give me an excuse to go back to that area
I think the issue is ppl who speed run through everything and then wonder why there's nothing left to enjoy (in all fairness, other than overworld there's just not enough battle variety modes so you're left with nothing but daily artifact farming)
Or they could just start a second account (I did that to pull characters I'm not sure I want to waste my main resources on lol) - it's fun to go through the story again and pick up on lore you missed first time and it's fun to build 4*s or "bad" characters that I have no need for on my main - I just built Qiqi for fun but not everyone likes self-imposed challenges/torture ha
@@trashbuilds8351I am a 2 year old genshin player and I still haven't done soo many things
HSR is not really popping bro. 3 days after 2.1 and it's already out of content. Where are people getting this notion that HSR is filled with content? It's not.
As a long time gamer, I can't imagine only playing one game all the time, I like being able to play a variety or other games (HSR included). Though because of my job on top of that juggling games is tricky.
In short, if content was constantly being pushed out, sure, long time players will have plenty of stuff to do, but newer players will be overwhelmed and not have time to do any older content they might not have done yet. There’s also the problem of the content being meaningful, which is hard to make happen day in and day out, which is why slow patches are necessary to cultivate the new, meaningful content while everyone can catch up on their remaining content without rushing through it and burning themselves out
"meaningful content" you mean the mini games with an average gameplay of 1-2 hrs that last for an entire patch? Stories that can be explained by UA-cam vids which is more straight forward and far less convoluted? What is your definition of "meaningful content" ??
@@koonyien3121some like to play the story,some like to just cruise through it as fast s they can.
@@koonyien3121 Actually... true. GI is one of a few games that have mini games and short contents with whole different gameplays and stories that add up lores.
Do you know what other gacha games give you ? Nothing... Chasing rank system watching whales crush everyone and nothing you can do about it. Fro contents, all you have to do is "autoplay" or click some buttons to collect resources then log out
This is why i have trouble playing MMO’s. Too much content makes it hard to get into because there are years worth of stuff that you have to digest and it just makes you feel so lost in the game constantly.
Custom domain in dry patches everything will be fix
If they bring this back this summer I'm going to be so happy last year was a riot.
Permanent Divine Ingenuity is my dream for Genshin. It's literally what Genshin needs to always remain relevant. Genshin is also a platformer + jump puzzle game and alot of people forget that. It's not just about Combat, it's also about figuring out puzzles, etc.
Oh my god I love how jello doesn’t make claims without reason let alone evidence like other ccs do
people always see the negative sides of things. they always see "oh a dry patch" as just "no new content" instead of an opportunity to catch up on older content. i havent talked to a single person who's done every single thing the game has to offer.
Some of these same people complain about no skip button. Although maybe they're all multi-accounting who knows
I think you nailed the 2 points and they were well thought out.
The "Genshin is dead" thing happens with pretty much every filler patch. After these patches, the Archon quest/New area patch drops and people hype Genshin all over again.
I remember people back in early 2021 saying genshin will be completly dead in 1.5 lol
Just because the patch coud be better doesnt mean it is bad, and honestly, much more needed in a game that isnt the most f2p friendly.
I love your thoughtful and smart analysis 🙏 people always are complaining and comparing to star rail but having a refreshing and well thought out point of view is so nice 👍 thank you Jello. I have a lot of schoolwork and cannot enjoy genshin if it’s moving really fast so I’m happy
Great video - I just wish they actually did quests with some cut scenes to visualize the awesome lore drops they put into obscure books. The story just feels so fragmented and requires so much detective work to keep track that unless you are obsessed with the lore, it feels like homework to figure out what's going on
Beard is looking good man, keep it growing! Also great video as usual :D
Tbh, i never understood the whole Dry patch complaints. Mainly bcuz there is so much to do and enjoy in genshin, along with quest backlog. IMO. For me i just spend hours just enjoying the scenery and music😭 especially in Sumeru and Inazuma, or just run around in my teapot, talk to my fav characters, build a nice custum room for them as well.,
A lot of it depends when you started. Once you're caught up, well, all you have to tide you over is what is newly added. Things like dressing up your teapot, well, that appeals to certain types of players, but most players probably don't bother with it long term. Same way TCG can keep some players occupied, but doesn't appeal to a lot of players either. Genshin is just kind of lacking something like that for people who want to use their characters in combat situations in a way that feels worthwhile and rewarding.
Of course, if they do add a new region or whatever, it'll be devoured pretty quickly by a content starved player. Just the nature of content that it takes a lot more time to create than it does for players to go through it. Hence why things like MMOs, live service games, and gachas tend to rely on grind or other ways, like an energy system (aka resin), to slow the player down.
One of the best patches imo I don't feel pressured to do anything lol. I even got time to clock in 100+ hours in Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth so I'm not complaining. I still have 9 character story quests that I haven't started, but I'm not doing anything I don't want to until Arlecchino comes. I'll be on Stellar Blade when it releases as well so I doubt I'll be on much for 4.6 as well.
It's almost fascinating how many "Genshin could never" players don't understand that if you can't stop talking/thinking about a game, said game has already won. Sure, the game has its problems, but the fact that you cannot shut your mouth about it even when the topic of discussion has nothing to do with it speaks volumes on the supposed "death" of Genshin
finally someone said it.
I can't help but feel this in every star rail livestream, the chat is always filled with people talking about genshin and honestly as someone who loves and plays both i'd rather talk about star rail when watching a star rail update, but apparently everyone in there is just totally obsessed with how much they don't care about genshin
Ah yeah, basically Genshin lives in their heads rent free when it's a "no one was talking about genshin but you brought it up in a different game lol" situation which happens a lot. Yeah lol.
@@HellBent_ literally same. I play and enjoy both for different reasons, but it kinda sucks that such a big portion of HSR players engage with the game only to shit on Genshin. To me they're the tsunderes of gacha bc they're like "omg I DO NOT like that person!!! I HATE them in fact😠😠" and then constantly talk about that same person and I'm here like... Guys I have unfortunate news for you lol
@@HellBent_"I ran after you the whole block to tell you how indifferent I am to you"
Tbh I also have the take. Slow patches help build up the hype again for the next patches. Always much content and hype also can burn players out. And this I guess in the long run helps the business.
Another reason why the second half of a version is less stacked so to say, might be that a good chunk of the team is already working on V5.0. That reduces the amount of workforce available for current patches even further.
Jello is the best Genshin channel right now. Actual level headed takes when ever other Genshin CC can't stop with the Hoyoverse drama and over exaggerated wild takes.
Stop lying to yourself.
Flashbacks to my old games where the English versions would do massive events all at once during the summer and anyone who played them all was suffering to rank and such... meanwhile in the original jp, those events were connected to each game's own anniversary, so they were spread out.
Honestly if they really wanted to make this a rest patch, they wouldn't have added the chronicled wish or made Chiori a 5*. People already expected her to be 4*, she's geo which is "bad," and she "requires C1" etc variants of that. Even fewer people would have pulled for her if she was 4*, and as much as people hated on it, the chronicled wish seemed great for those that actually wanted to use it for something specific. They also put in Neuvillette and Kazuha kind of out of nowhere (no events or quests to make them relevant to the story for the patch), even though Lyney arguably should have gotten a rerun first; Lyney is objectively less popular than the strongest dps and strongest anemo support. Yes they probably want to rerun him with Father but we know they don't always keep consistent with the whole "wish 2 banners are for when it's story relevant" or whatever they said way back.
It’s also just unrealistic to expect that developers have the time to create story quests super regularly while still maintaining a healthy work/life balance. Those additions undeniably take so much more time than filler side quests, creating banger story quests every three weeks would absolutely require even more crunching and toxic workplace expectations. There’s so much content in this game, anyone who has the time to play through an archon quest every three weeks needs to prioritize some real life quests lol
As a newer player trying to build like 8 characters at a time, i need slow patches to catch up with collecting materials, not to mention trying to catch up on archon quest before the next big version
As a casual Genshin player, the one thing I look forward to is new characters and playing them. Story is fun, but I think we all agree we want to see new faces and returning ones.
They have differents writers on Genshin. A team is doing archon quest and another team is doing character quests. There is also another team doing events and world quests. And it shows because sometimes character quests makes no sense if we put them side by side with an event quest. The writing is happening at the same time in a lot of cases and a team makes a dark character and than we get an event and the same character loses all his dark personality or vice versa.
Hi Jello! You said you wanted to make a Eula guide but the train had passed and you are not sure. I wanted to say that a lot of the Eula guides (on YT or on the internet) are really oudated, and people have the misconception that her supossed best team (hyperfridge) doesn't care about her and that makes me sad. I have paired her with Furina and its a great team, but I'm unsure of what healer to bring (definitely C6 Mika but at what cons are Jean, Charlotte and Xianyun comparable?) and also, I think the realease of Clorinde, which the leaks say she will be an ER buffer like Raiden, will be a great time to make the guide me and a lot of people desperately need. Love the grind, keep it up!
Really happy to follow such a mature CC and fresher, nuance takes. Makes me feel like there are even keeled tempered people still, it's not only extremists everywhere 😅
Jello out here casually referencing the hedonic treadmill in a Genshin video.
Jellosophy
i totally agree with the twitter post, i like not having to scramble to do everything, especially since the quests grow longer and longer, I like to just run around and explore on my own time, without having anything 'more important' or gatekeepy to do
We need slow patches to save primos! Some people don't realize that and they would be complaining that they can't get the characters they want
No one complains on getting a character they want but couldn’t, it’s a gacha game, Hoyo needs to make money somehow, f2ps know their places
People complain lack of endgame and lack of new combat related content, cause let’s be honest, who the fk actually cares and legitimately remember the story and reminiscent about it, players care about gameplay more, and Hoyo til this day still refuse to drop their ego and listen to the community for once and introduce new endgame content or improve coop to make it meaningful
@@episode4882 the more vocal minority are the ones complaining about endgame and new combat stuff, I am perfectly happy with anything not related to combat. just not the card game.
@@10tailedbijuu then u should go play visual novel with better stores
@@episode4882then you should play others games with end game like pgr or wuwa. No one cares about end game only the minority.
@@supernieva2419 This^
If i want "Endgame" there's a billion games out there that can offer that (and their p2w pvp and massive powercreep that comes with that sort of content)
I play Genshin because it's a chill and relaxing game, that has characters that I like and enjoy
I am biased, since I recently got into Genshin. But there is nothing else I am playing that is like it and I am thoroughly addicted at the moment.
Genshin being (too) complacent in a nutshell.
Not so news, always has been.
“I don’t know what’s happening internally within Hoyoverse.” As you said it, money is what matters, and right now is Honkai Star Rail’s one year anniversary. All there effort is on that. That’s where they’re expecting the money to come from. It’s why they reset the first time gem bonus. It’s why they released not just the most popular expy of all time, but the strongest character to date, and one that begs to be C2R1 more than any Genshin character begs to be C2R1. And the numbers are reflecting it. We are staggering emphasis between games presently, and ZZZ will impact that pacing as well. When ZZZ launches, that will be a dead patch for Genshin and HSR, guaranteed.
I think the dry patches perfectly explain why Genshin is the only game I still play these days. I’m just simply too busy to focus on anything else
In your video about endgame content, you said that Hoyoverse always needs to keep the casual players in mind. So they won‘t make some content harder so a lot of people don‘t feel overchallenged or left behind.
I think the same would happen, if you have a lot of content / new archon quests in every patch. Casual players would literally feel overwhelmed with all the content, might not be able to keep up with endless new story, quests, characters, builds etc., get burned out by their free time and hobby and would quit.
Also I think your point is true, over the years the game itself loses it‘s novelty generally, even with new content.
So some slow patches and having a go at other games to get "hungry" again and get a great patch is more interesting. You cannot keep the hype up for every single patch.
You need to make players wait and build up anticipation!
Kinda like in sport, the rest is as important as the training itself.
That bigmac example Is exactly what i Always try to explain in that kind of discussions.
If every patch is big and special, then All patches are not that big and special anymore
I honestly loved that video. I'm not saying this cause i agree with you. I also love to hear different opinions, but that video and that discussion is just well made
Excellent video.
I'm ok with dry patches. As a busy person, I can't finish all quests, story quest or archon quests present in game. Also I find myself speedrunning the events on the last day.
hey jello, which subclasses do you like to play in dnd
Honestly, getting good characters i like and building the existing one is very enough to me to empty my resin daily. Other contents makes it even better
I haven't played for a few weeks, basically just waiting for arlecchino
I'm also curious about the "dying" concept in terms of the future roadmap of the game. Slow patches and internal competition w Star Rail aside, with the current formula of the game we only have 2 regions left until the "END" - and it makes me wonder if that contributes to the bleak outlook for some people, especially big spenders on the game. If there's no indication that the game will be "evergreen," does that discourage people from investing in it (at least monetarily)?
I'm totally fine with slow periods when they keep putting out great content. Sumeru and Fontaine archon quests were a huge step up. Let them cook. Development takes time, and I'm willing to wait until things are fully baked to get the tastiest content they can deliver.
To put it differently, I'd rather they take their time to deliver quality product, then have things rushed out the door. (Cyberpunk, CoD, etc)
They will never change patches, its set in stone months before its live. There is a reason they can update consistently for over 3 years. HSR and Genshin also have seperate teams. I can pick out difference in storywriting very easily between the two games. There is no way in hell they dont have seperate writing teams when the dev count for genshin was 700 is like 2022 and HSR had 500 last year. They have 5k employees.
I actually think that having dry patches is objectively better for the game depending on how that dry patch is being used. I work in development for a major company (something super dry and utilitarian, not something entertaining or flashy) and nothing harms a products stability like being rushed on delivering updates. Having some extra time to deliver better content is an objective win.
The question becomes if they are using their time wisely.
Indeed. And my feeling with Genshin is that that isn't really the case, that the time is being spent wisely. Fontaine has had a several content light patches now.
On one hand, that's, honestly, not bad. Open world areas are a bit of content, but once done, it's just more open world you don't visit unless a commission or something sends you there. And that "once done" doesn't take that long. It is the nature of content that players devour it faster than devs can put it out. And all of it makes the game take up more space, which hinders the phones the game can fit on. There's a reason Fontaine is more compact. Don't really need more Sumeru desert.
But on the other hand, the dev time doesn't seem to be going into anything in Genshin. We're not getting a new permanent game mode. We're not seeing more events. We're not seeing more hang-outs or anything. We're not seeing permanent things to breathe new life into older areas. There's been a little bit of QoL stuff, but not that much. Overall, we're just getting less. And to me, this feels like that this is because Hoyoverse doesn't really care about the longer term players. They probably have stats on how long players tend to play the game before moving on, and there is probably enough content to keep most players occupied to that point, while also having numbers that show that those of us who have stuck around past that point are likely to stick around regardless.
@@Axterix13It’s funny how you mentioned not getting hangouts, when Lynette’s was just released in this “filler” patch, and I gotta tell you, the qol we’ve been getting in Fontaine is spectacular(I confidently say that from my friend’s perspective, who’s just come back from a year long break), but the problem is that people tend to undermine it since it isn’t what they wanted.
Abysscup is something crazy that gives this game second breath
I love having time between big events or story. Im also okay with niche upgrades. Niche is more interesting and allows more diversity.
hopefully natlan is just super long like im talking about all the way to .3 archon quests
The problem is the lack of Dainsleif quest, it makes the pacing seem slower
people should play other games if they run out of things to do in genshin. its ok to just do your dailies and log out, you dont need to crunch through all the content in a week when a new zone/chapter gets dropped. if you are addicted to genshin then try out other gacha games.
How do you run out of things to do in Genshin? Do they even have hobbies? A life outside of Genshin?
@@loreyxilluminaA day one player is, more likely than not, caught up with all of the content in game.
You can easily complete all of the content in this game and still have a life outside of it.
Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive
@@keepingtheknightslinetrue2057 I am a 2 year player of genshin and still haven't done Sumeru desert exploration cause I was doing quests and collecting occuli. Also curse those oculus that are in ceiling, fuck those inazuman ones.
Regardless of who is right or wrong, now as a casual player who hasn't spent a dime since ~4.1, I wholeheartedly thank all the enthusiasts, simps, collectors, degenerates, or simply rich af people for their continuously generous support in behalf of those who can't or won't.
Even if this is a "free" game or sth with large consideration to casual gamers ("casual" and yet we still have the occasional meta pvp for a content that barely exists, ikr), devs still need to eat at the end of the day after all.
Its definitely been a slow few patches but their plan worked, im playing Starrail right now and its awesome. Story telling in Penacony has been incredible and the new 5 stars are all busted. Probably gonna be my main game until Natlan arrives.
Sneaky mount mention I see you I see you
I started playing genshin when I was unemployed so I dreaded dry patches as I don't have anything else to do. I am fully employed now and I can actually say I like that there are dry patches. I have time to catch up with the things I missed. Yes, dry patches are bad especially for content creators since they need content to stream as it is there livelihood however most of genshins playerbase are just normal people with normal lives. We're so busy with school, work and other shit that it will actually be difficult to stay up to date with every patch if they release major updates every time. So having a patch or two with just filler content can actually give us a breather after or before a major patch.
To me it's rather simple, slow patches are pretty much a necessity, it does takes a lot of work and times for the future content to be made.
I like slow patches mainly as a chance to save up on Primos and build Mora but if they had a secondary endgame like Spiral Abyss that refreshed maybe a week earlier, it’d help the patch feel more like a lull than a death… imo.
Oh btwm aside from the discussion i would like to point out
Unlike the sumeru patches, we still have alot of content waiting
Th archon interlude quest. Bringing daisnleif and seeing the chasm and caribert quest, will be a banger
A fontaine region. Seeing how our fountaine and statue of secen isnt maxed. It's happening
Exciting characters like arlachino and chlorinde. So unlike 3.X where the last exciting character released was in 3.4, we still have alot to looj forward to
The second weekly boss. Wether it be from furina's second quest or whatever, anither banger lore bomb is coming
So 4.3-4.5 was the actual dead phase. Genshin will still be slowish. But its nut gonna be anything like the sumeru times
the point you brought up with the writing team is actually wrong. genshin and starail has 2 different teams in 2 different buildings at the HQ. the reason I think for the dry patches is time, It's difficult it is to make concepts, then build, then QA, then optimize every new areas for the game every 6 weeks. And on top of that, genshin's areas are not simply mountains and valleys. they have world building that goes along with the overarching lore of the game. You cannot rush a good story. I'd love to get dainslif level stories every single patch. But time is the biggest hurdle for Hoyo devs imo.
I'm pretty happy with a dry patch rn, cuz I'm taking my a level equivalent in Germany (Abitur) rn and I just got back into guardian tales
It would be fun to compare those metrics and other posts with the games that are confirmed to by dying, i.e. there's an annoucement that the servers are shutting down.
In the real dying games that I saw / experienced, you see a lot of things that Genshin isn't doing yet:
* Radical shift of business model (e.g. going from cosmetic only to true pay to win, monthly sub to free to play whale-bait)
* If not a whole business model shift, then making item more expensive (including for example lessening the drop rates but then selling a +250% drop rate booster rental)
* Fake apologies from developers news of big staffing changes
* Founder quitting in anger
time is a flat circle
The slow updates allow for players to grind, play other games, and play side quest. There would be a problem if the updates weren't regular or not consistent. If there is a slow cycle after the archon and lantern rite updates, then you can plan ahead for that. Do the Aranara quest, that quest alone can take weeks to complete and has a fantastic payoff. Right now I am finally starting to build my main teams in preparing to tackle Abyss content. Characters I've ignored in the past, I am trying out now that I have time to get them 60 to unlock all their F2P kits. I was finally able to get Itto after having all of his support characters on my account for years. I got my first Kazuha whom we all agree is the Inazuma MVP. Or just play FF7 Rebirth, the amount of content in that game is mindboggling.
A video about powercreep would be nice
Genhsin aint dying lmao
I think it was recently that some dev said the current content in genshin was written 2 years ago, and everything is going according to their plan
I actually caught up on desert exploration just this past week bagging myself 20 pulls worth of primos so id say yes it can be a good thing
I just started playing week ago. I got Neuv on 3 pulls lol didn’t even know how lucky I was
I think they plan slow patches to account for player spending too. They know characters like Furina (and probably Arlecchino) are gonna break the bank in sales, so it's smart to give players that know they are gonna want them time to save money/primogems. Characters like Chiori are expected to not sell as well but definitely still make a solid profit regardless.
"We're complimenting the devs for not making content."
Oh, the devs are making content for Natlan. All second halves are empty so that all first halves are awesome.
The beard looks good Jello
Im hoping to see dragons to be the common enemy or as a weekly boss (I know we got dvalin and apep already but one more wouldn't hurt) I also like fromsoftware games because how well they made us able to see a huge dragon from a distance and have an interesting gimmicks on how to kill them. Id cry if one day we got another dragon weekly boss at natlan.
Dead ga...oooh, a chest!
I like slow patches I have plenty of other games I play, I have so much content I haven't even touched on Genshin... if people have run out of content on genshin they need to go play more than 1 game... they are missing out on so many great games/shows . Variety in life is important to stop burn out and boredom of something
Bro you look like a new man. Love the new look G. 😎
Bro im just happy i can save for arlechino, ive got 80 pulls rn and i wanna get her and try for her weapon.
The thing with late patches is to snipe the characters that they seem to throw at you without too much hype (Kazuha, Yelan)
The devs need a break too! I think if they want to have these "dead patches"; they could have groups of separate teams that only works on side story quests like GAA or bottleland but they have more stuff or last a bit longer.
To be fair this time we had *FF7 Rebirth, Dragon's Dogma 2* and other good titles or even Panacony these 2 months + studies/work so I didn't felt 4.5 dry patch as much. And now I am recharged for 4.6.
I also saw a lot of new players and CCs trying out the game this update, so I guess this worked for the people that wanted to catch up.
As someone who plays a lot of different games, i like slow patches.
Idk I got guaranteed Neuvillette at pity 40
I need the slow patches for Nilou lol
I think when players say dead patches are bad they aren't talking about the popularity or revenue for the game, they are talking about their enjoyment, and I do believe it lessened for most players during dead patches. We are not investors for the game after all. We are consumers, it is not our concern whether or not the decision is made to make the most money, the only thing that matters to us is how it affects us.
to me, genshin is a game that's meant to consume slowly. the sheer amount of open world, secrets, quests, challenges, and stories is staggering for something that's free. to me, that's why genshin has very little endgame content, because they expect that the playerbase will consume the world instead of focusing on character building and abyss. im ar60 and i have a staggering amount of backlogged quests im currently shovelling through, along with future announced characters i now have the chance to save for