Lethal Company VS Modern Gaming
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Discover how Lethal Company's success exposes the flaws in AAA gaming. Uncover the secret sauce that keeps players hooked without the need for skill-based matchmaking or overpriced microtransactions. Spoilers: It's more simple than you think.
Twitter/X: @LaperLarden
Timestamps:
0:00 A New Challenger Appears
1:26 Party Game DNA
3:09 Community Driven Gaming
6:32 SBMM
8:38 The Secret Recipe
11:48 Indie Game Triumph
#halo #lethalcompany #callofduty #sbmm - Ігри
SBMM is one of the biggest reasons I stopped playing pvp game's once I found out they force a 50 50 win rate or pair you with people based on cosmetics it made the whole thing not fun and feel not worth it like a total waste of time because the odds have been picked for me
Sbmm is why they are killing social features. Because social features prevent them from manipulating our matches so much. They even give you easier matches for buying cosmetics. It’s so screwed up and something has to be done about it.
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 honestly it's unbelievable that something like that is legal it really shouldn't be but it'll continue to be legal because boomers run the world
Same. I uninstalled all the multilayer games that just seek to waste my time.
you aint played pvp unless you played unturned paintball
Friendship with [popular FPS game with glaring issues] ended. Now The Finals is my new best friend.
I can't believe they added aim assist for mnk on Halo, it still haunts me in my nightmares haha
Just looking at the size of the reticle in the oldest Halo games compared to the new ones says something about modern AAA games... I replayed Goldeneye back when it came to Gamepass and had the time of my life.
Been meaning to play it since it re-released for Xbox. One of my earliest gaming memories was playing that on a small box TV on a trolley at after-school care. I'm not ashamed to admit that I almost threw hands at someone who played as Odd Job all the time.
I actually had a similar experience going back to old Halo’s crosshairs, but mine was the opposite. I thought the old crosshairs kept me from aiming properly, and started to annoy me a little. But I totally get what you mean. I think Infinite is finally starting to show promise, but OG Halo is just too good to ever let go
@@wheezymacIt’s not because the crosshairs are large. It’s because classic halo is a close quarters combat game. If the crosshair isn’t red, you shouldn’t be shooting at that target.
The exception being weapons that can scope.
@@EggEnjoyer ya know, that’s a really good point. I didn’t even think of that, but yeah that’s totally right. The older games PvP were much more CQC based than the newer titles
@@LaperLarden You know their is a lot of good indie and double AA games like Helldivers 2, palworld, risk of rain 2, deep galactic rock and stone and hollow knight.
something you forgot to mention is that lethal company is SIMPLE compared to most modern AAA games where you have a cacophony of over designed and sanitized cooperate made madeded checkboxes of features that are half baked at best or nonfunctional at worst. games no are trying everything in their power to go all out and above and beyond copying everyone and everything that's popular while ironically being more shallow than ever.
Social features being denied is on par with the destruction and travesty of single-player campaigns for fps titles.
I've been on a "boomer shooter detour" these past weeks and gosh was it refreshing and, as you also said, fun!
Nothing wrong with playing the classics. Can thoroughly recommend Ultrakill by New Blood and Prodeus by Humble Games.
@@LaperLarden just finished Ultrakill and recently started Prodeus. Both are great, but I actually preferred Turbo Overkill, as it's even crazier than Doom Eternal.
Playing all of them on the highest difficulty as well, I just love getting in the flow and Turbo Overkill gets it better than most, imho. Also, there's something so satisfying in shredding tank-y enemies quickswapping weapons like a maniac while flying through the arena
100% agree with this! These giants lost their identity from following trends rather then using what had already worked for them in previous installments. It's simple, people enjoy what they have so just build upon that.
i love how halo infinite has mechanics that are what halo mechanics should be. they are fun and easy to learn but hard to master
I feel like you’ve hit the nail on the head with this one.
Shame though because as long as blind fans keep buying products from AAA markets, they won’t change for those of us who want change for the better
This is what my team and I are aiming to do with my game. We're trying to make a game that at it's core is FUN first, and everything else second. We're hoping to fill the void that 343 has left by making their games unnecessarily competitive. If anyone is interested, I make devlogs on my channel, and you can join the discord through those, and even become a tester!
I hope over the next couple years we can make something worthy of the gaming community's attention, and time. Until then, we also look forward to games like Lethal Company to bring us joy and good memories with friends.
Return of The King.
Hill controlled!
Hill Moved.
@@LaperLarden Hill contested (where's he?, i see him on the radar but can't see anything. Must be using Active camo! Shooooot!)
Excellent vid mate. A game should always be formed with passion from those that care, not from corporate deadlines that are met by those who don’t.
10:09
I don't know about you, but the finals started doing the sbmm bs other AAA games have...
It's going to fall down the typical AAA schemes soon as the honeymoon phase is over or later on after.
Another Larper Larden banger 🗿
Always aiming to please 🙏
Deep rock galactic is another good example of this very thing. They have the resources to make elaborate cosmetics, but they stick to their values of free to play and plenty to earn being free to play. And a great core game loop
Wat it's not free to play?
I guarantee these games don't make as much money. We'll only see change when people stop buying mtx and falling for these awful practices.
What difference does fun, player counts, or awards, make to a corporation when they've got all the whales they need?
Those damn whales, man. They need to stop stealing their Mum's credit cards.
For the most part, people don’t buy mtx. A minority spend money on these games, the majority does not.
But if 10% of your player base is giving up $10 a month for your battle pass, that makes the business model worth it.
@@EggEnjoyer hence the whales
Yo can we get the link to that Covenant theme cover at 12:37????
I made that cover! I'll add the link to it later today so you lads can have a listen.
Awesome thank you@@LaperLarden
And here it is for your enjoyment! ua-cam.com/video/TMgzSbYB4NI/v-deo.html
@@LaperLarden legend
@@LaperLarden literal perfection omfg. Unlist it my g, the community would go mad for it
I haven't played Lethal Company and doubt I could get into it :( - (I don't think I've socialized in any games since H3 and Reach back in the day.) but I would love if Halo can enhance it's social aspects! for sure
Opening clip never gets old. Love you boys.
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I think for comparing Halo with Lethal Company, theres something else I think is funny to think about.
Space horror.
Halo wasn't exactly marketed as a horror series, but there is PLENTY of horror present in the first three games (mostly due to the Flood) and Forward Unto Dawn turned into a horror movie halfway through. The later Halo games after 3 don't really hit that same feel of terror anymore. Lethal Company provides plenty of that sort of space and cosmic horror (the monsters you meet range from local wildlife that seem disturbing but understandable to straight up paranormal magic like the Ghost Girl and the Masked, and added onto this is the strange mystery of the universe present that raises plenty of terrifying questions) , which is neatly shipped along with a hilariously goofy filter and absurdities going on that makes it such a unique experience altogether.
Nailed it. Plenty of Halo memories are of smack talking in lobbies and funny custom games with mates I wouldn't otherwise have made online. Not sure why it's so difficult to have that again.
Silver-lining: great to see indie games stand out because of the shortcomings of AAA games.
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Man I ain't NEVER been this early. Fucking love your vids, man.
Thanks for watching. It's much appreciated!
@@LaperLarden that Halo 3 ending song still puts a tear in my eye. Thank you.
Yo nunca tuve la oportunidad de jugar el multijugador de halo 3 y reach
Sólo se que me divierto jugando halo infinite
Aunque me gusta halo infinite yo también estoy de acuerdo que los social features deben regresar y que sbmm no sea tan estricto
Edit: la verdad buen video espero que 343i llegue ver este vídeo
2024 seems to be the year of indie devs as they're showing what games should be at their core: FUN. It hurts to see these gaming giants, some starting from what we'd considered indie, fall from grace to a microtransaction/battlepass infested cesspool of unoriginality.
Another banger that hits the nail on the head.
You know their is a lot of good indie and double AA games like Helldivers 2, palworld, risk of rain 2, deep galactic rock and stone and hollow knight.
Xbox now has a feature to save recent game chat and report it. I'll never use game chat on xbox again.
Didn't know they did that. Seems like trash talking is now a thing of the past.
You know what they say, if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself. Which is why I'm working on learning how to use Godot, Blender, and other dev tools in my free time. I'm tired of waiting for Bungie and 343 Industries and EA and Bethesda and all these big publishers and studios that either once upon a time made absolute bangers or got shifted to be in charge of game franchises that defined eras of gaming, all no longer doing the job of making a functional, fun, complete game and instead churning out slop geared towards the mythical "broader audience" in pursuit of every last dime in existence. I used to just want to play games in peace, but now I want to make something of my own for myself and others to enjoy.
The only map and game mode that is fun with the current sbmm system in infinite is high power total control. Every other match feels artificial and fabricated. Which is why I find modded and unmodded gamenights or the mcc matchmaking in general so much nicer. Everything is a unique experience and you have a huge amount of laughs to go along with it. Ive never played infinite since s3 because even though I might occasionally feel like I want to play it, it’s never as nice as hopping on older games
Let’s hope 343i can learn some of these lessons now that they’ve officially started work on the new game…
I long for the olden days when gaming was fun
I’ve been playing older games like Dead Space and Half life and have had so much more fun than modern games.
I need to get the Dead Space remake and give it a try some day. That game used to scare me senseless. Thanks for watching!
@@LaperLarden oh my gosh yes you do, the remake is amazing.
My only complaint is that it doesn’t give me the sense of utter terror like the old one still does to this day… but it is a phenomenal game.
So is half life. if you’ve never played it, I highly recommend
this is one thing i will always hate about the "you just grew up/you're just nostalgic" argument. like, those games are still there for us to play, and when we play them they are genuinely more fun than many modern games because they were made to be fun, interesting experiences for their players first and foremost
@@grayling2 agreed.
Thanks to the new HL update I finally stepped into the world of Deatmatch. I knew how it works and all, but I didn't get the chance to play it. While I was dying like every few seconds, it was so fun.
If there’s one thing I don’t know why *MODERN GAMING* has moved away from, it’s proximity chat. It’s just such an awesome concept to talk to both your potential allies and enemies in a game setting as if you were talking inside the game, as it were. “But bullying was such a big issue blah blah blah so getting rid of it was for the best” I hear you complain, and the mute button exists for that very reason, douchebag.
It’s another reason why I want Battlebit to come to console so I have a chance to play it, it’s awesome use of proximity chat and it’s super destructive environments look so enjoyable. It looks like FUN. I can’t think of a single modern game, or at least one that came out in the past five or ten years, that shipped with proximity chat.
Aw well, at least Armored Core VI is super fun regardless. Speaking of, video when?
don't know what you mean by this. if anything more games come out with proximity chat now than ever before. even call of duty does it.
@@KCAssassin98 I mean what I said. And I’ve heard on multiple occasions that CoD has moved away from proximity chat.
New video on the new season/content update/whatever it's called now, should be out not long after it releases!
The sweaty ranked-esque gameplay is also a reason I HATE playing Overwatch. I used to be GM in OW1, so my ranked skill rating was high, understandable. But the game has MMR as well, match making rating. And this is universal in ALL playlists, most notably quick play. I took a long ass break, and barely play anymore, I do not like how the game feels a lot less team oriented with the 5v5 format and deathmatch like gameplay of the new game modes.
This left me extremely rusty at the game, I dont know the meta, my aim is off, I dont know the new map layouts, how new heroes play, etc. I want to play with some friends in quickplay, NOT ranked because I know, i am nowhere as good as I used to be. But my MMR is still really high, so even in quick play, ill be put in games with a bunch of current T500 players. The game also does this thing where it will put 1 GM MMR players on both teams in a QP match full of diamond players, besides the rampant smurfing issue, this just leads to unfair/unbalanced games as one of the GM players can be specialized in a non carry support role and playing heroes that dont carry, ex mercy, or trying new heroes and thus their mmr doesnt match their skill on the hero theyre trying out. This leads to many losses, leaving people discouraged from trying to learn new heroes, and other times you will meet that sweat t500 player sweating in QP with a pocket.
Not to mention the people playing with Xims on console.
I remember playing halo 3 on the MCC back in 2015 ish, yes it was a mixed bag due to the game but it was a lot of fun to screw around on a warthog in BTB with my friends, and team kill a 13 year old so that your homie can get in the back of the mongoose to try the hail mary CTF strats. We didnt even get mad being kicked from the game because the kid had a mic, it was very funny, but now it feels all so sanitized, where you have to take every match seriously or people will report you for throwing and you get banned, even in non-competitive game modes (I understand reporting trolls and throwers in ranked).
AAA gaming has fallen a bit, not to say there are some gems still being pushed out, its hard to watch the decline of halo when I grew up playing it. Splitscreen halo 2 built friendships like no other, where half the game ppl were staring at eachothers pov and cheating accusations were rampant lmao, those were good times.
Brilliant vid. Straight to the point.
Praise from the best map 🙏
I keep playing MCC, just H3 and Reach multiplayer, bc they were the first FPS i grew up playing, but not bc of only that, but most importantly is bc what already said: THE MULTIPLAYER.
The social aspect of the games that connected us to play or compete with other people. Never had time to play but other games, and since i only dominate these, i'm sticking to them until i die. Since 360 era passed away i encountered my second youth at 2015 with Halo Online and Eldewrito port/mod for PC. THOSE GOLDEN DAYS WERE BACK. Eldewrito and Halo Online expanded the H3 sandbox baseline with new maps, new gametypes and most importantly new weapons and vehicles, that weren't so different from their baseline counterparts, but they were completely new. New aspects, new mechanics, a whole new world of possibilities opened i in front of my eyes.
Social was a huge part of it, also. Chat embedded while in-game with Chromium Embedded Framework, voice lines thru discord, and all Halo Online channels and communities open and willing to receive new players.
Glad Eldewrito guys force M$ to take part for bringing MCC to PC, but now i miss the fun that that mod bring us when there was no other enjoyable option (2015-2018, MCC broken, 360 playerbase decaying, no other Halo on PC than HCE, H2Vista).
Wish some day 343 reconsider their position and keep pushing at least the rest of HO content still not ported to MCC.
I COMPLETELY agree about the loss of the social aspect of new games. Halo Infinite’s ranked and even normal multiplayer is a turn off sometimes because of how sweaty it is. And Customs feels like such a breath of fresh air, but I still miss being able to use voice chat.
I think if they leaned more into the social aspects of Bungie’s Halos, they might be able to gain some of those older players back. Along with easing back on SBMM too…
sbmm is one of the big reasons (alongside nonsense like battlepasses) i have given up on many of my favorite franchises because of how impersonal and boring the cycle of win win lose lose lose win win win lose lose
I think the biggest reason for lethal company's success and for the lack of sbmm, it's the fact that you jump in to jave fun, not to win (as winning is literally impossible). I'd argue most other games (both past and modern) are like this too. Unless the game is marketed as something silly or as a goofy sandbox, people just dont play it to have fun any more. A game is only a game if you treat it as a game. Take the first month or so of infection in infinite where the sbmm was toned down. Nobody was grinding that for kills. Nobody was going around lobbies finding the sweattiest meta spot to grind score. People just treated it as something to have fun with, and now people are ysing it ro min max their career rank (because we all know ruining the fun and going in with a full stack in a private VC is worth an extra 3000 points)
As to why sbmm is everywhere, if I meet mint blitz in one match, thats cool. If I play against him several times and get absolutely smashed every time, I dont want to get matched up with him again and again because I que at the same time (because infinite does use more than just sbmm which already seems fairly weak in my experience (could also be my gameplay quality having more variance that the arnour quality in H5), stuff like geolocking, which I think is honestly the real problem for infinite in low population areas. Also, it's just a more consistent experience. As good as variation is, I absolutely hate it when I get games with zero resistance or get crushed with zero chance to win. Its personally more entertaining to me to have the close game with the occasional (but well earnt) domination on either side. Im not saying this about a game specifically, but its an [awful] example of why sbmm is still sticking around.
Additionally, I believe voice chat was on by default in the flights for infinite but it was common for people to just mute their game chat and use an external vouce chat, which gives a fairly clear message.
Very good points. I think the whole "streamer mentality" has really rubbed off on players nowadays. Everyone seems to want to be the best, or will min-max and exploit the game (like Infinite's infection) to get ahead.
There's definitely a broader discussion to have about the mindsets of people playing games and not just the matchmaking systems that may be influencing our games and the skill distribution we're experiencing.
I've run into some pretty gnarly SBMM on Infinite. More recently on the H3 Reloaded playlist when that first came out, I could almost predict when I was going to lose or win a match just by how I performed in my first few games. Typically around match 3-4, the game would bump me up and put me with HCS rejects who haven't stood up for 13 hours, and it would stay that way for another 3 games before it would finally give me a pity match with some bot players and the cycle would repeat. I'd occasionally try searching for other playlists like Infection, with an estimated wait time of 2 minutes (expanded search on), and couldn't find any because my MMR was so high from the H3R matches that I had played earlier. I don't mind a bit of SBMM when it's done right, and it's relatively loose. But to have a hidden rating hanging over your head and affecting your ability to find matches? That's a bit scummy.
@@LaperLarden I agree that sbmm is definitely in need of tuning in some cases, but I think the main problem with the search times is how Infinite seems to lock people in certain regions to their region and America. I can't get btb games past 5pm in Australia without an international fireteam because the America servers are dead at that time, nobody in Australia is playing big team modes at that time and I never get to match with other regions. At the same time if you play fiesta after 5pm you get much faster matchmaking because now other Australian players are playing.
Maybe that isn't what it is, but it really does _feel_ like infinite prioritises searching in your region and America than searching for the first possible low latency game available
Editing in post: I also agree that the H3 playlist does feel more competitive, but I'm not sure if that's the SBMM or the maps just being better for people who have just min-maxed the H3 map layout and haven't left their couch since H3 came out
not sure if you've played foxhole but it has a huge emphasis on voice chat and teamwork in a war
Can't say I have played it. But I'll make an effort to check it out at some point!
Hey! Not every single modern game is terrible. Do you want me to list you a few?
Ok Boomer.
JK, you’re 100% right, which sucks.
He said far cry
Whoa, whoa! **Whistles at screen and points**
game devs/publishers have lost sight of pretty much everything but that $ sign, missing the fact that if they kept their sight on making a fun game first and foremost, that $ sign will be perpetual. lethal company is going to outlive halo infinite - not just because 343 botched their game (though they definitely did), but because lethal company was focused on being a fun game - and through that, making its players die of laughter comes so naturally. it doesn't feel artificial, unlike what a AAA developer might do had it made lethal company (a AAA studio never would have, they'd perceive the game as too risky to create).
Bro couldnt help but use halo music for the entire video 😉
Ah, ah, ah, there is *some* COD and Lethal Company music in there too! It's just that, Halo's music is clearly the best!
Looking back on Destiny made me realize just how much it suffered from a pitiful lacking of social features. Dropping just about every single good thing Halo 3 and Reach did.
All that potential for Fun, gone. All that carrying force it could have whenever its in some "terrible" content drought, gone. Thus, began its downward spiral into the worst kinds of player retention.
I can only imagine how much it could have focused on FUN if it wasn't so caught up on pumping out empty calories and more casino machines just to keep you in the game.
Modern games try to be addictive, not fun. Old games were simply focused on fun.
You haven't met me, my friend and I talk in every Halo Infinite game in squad battle mode, sometimes people answer us back and made a few friends already by doing that
Infinite needs more folks like you.
Yeah halo infinte chat is literally dead
The cause is monopolization, big industry and institutions taking over gaming.
Let me explain.
First of all, the developers are now people who go to college and then get a corporate job as a game dev/designer. Old school game devs were not classically trained. They were just people who had a passion for gaming. Contrast that with people who go to college, nothing wrong with college. But the problem with institutions is that they allow people who are mediocre to dominate a field or industry. Like a 20 something can have no experience writing at all, go to college for writing, graduate and then work in the industry. Meanwhile someone who’s been writing their own works and fan fiction since the age of 15, they have little to no chance of getting into the industry without that college degree. These institutions end up gate keeping skill and talent out of the industry.
This is why Ubisoft devs were so offended at Elden Ring. They don’t know gaming from a passion point of view. They only know it from an academic and institutional point of view.
Or like those NaughtyDog devs who are upset about Palworld and claim that the devs must have cheated somehow. They can’t even fathom creations that don’t come from them. They believe that they’ve gotten this industry down to a science when in reality they don’t. They think they are the apex of video game development despite actually and literally being the bottom of it.
Like is it possible to go to college to become a content creator? How much education would I need to become Larper Larden? You can teach me the technical aspects of content creation, but can you teach me the creativity and drive as well? No that’s something someone must discover on their own. And a lot of these modern devs never discover that and have no interest in doing so due to ego. As far as they’re concerned, they are the Hollywood elite of gaming. They are “the industry”. That’s why modern studios are so hostile and talked so much trash to their customers.
You don’t see indie game devs doing this as much. Sometimes there’s flak, but with AAA games devs, its part of the current culture to HATE video game players and smaller devs because they aren’t “in the industry” and don’t “get it”. It’s literally like Hollywood.
And then finally you have to recognize that a lot of these companies and brands are so big, they don’t have to try. They just release whatever and it makes a billion dollars. But that’s dying and changing like you pointed out. But the problem is that that these companies do not have talent. Many of them have driven away all of their talent. The older experienced devs all left to make their own thing or hopped to other studios. I think some of these larger studios and publishers are going to be in the red until they restructure their dev teams. The college educated Ubisoft devs who live in echo chambers and call games like Elden ring bad, they’re gonna have to go. Simple as. But it’s gonna be a while before that happens. In the meantime, games like palworld and lethal company are gonna to keep popping off.
Honest to god, this sbmm shit is the reason ive just lost interest in Halo.
That and the lack of campaign content.
I have not touched this game because all the reviews I see are "I enjoyed the experience with my friends". The last game that tried to sell me on this social aspect is Deep Rock Galactica, and it is one of, if not the, most boring games I have ever played. DRG is my second Steam refund, and the first refund was because of DRM caused stuttering.
I am beginning to question that this emphasis on social interaction in games is an energy shield to protect a game from criticism of boring repeating gameplay loop and environment, and a nostalgia trap to get glowing reviews despite the game holding little merit on its own.
Just say you don't have any friends
@@KCAssassin98 Nice try from somebody who stole the profile picture from a game.🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@justanotheraccounthere2014 its very clear you were offended by the previous commenter. Especially when you brought up something completely unrelated in a pretty bad attempt at making a insult, and then using the clown emoji.