I'm also mixed. My elementary school had mainly black kids, so I was the white kid there. My high school was very mixed, so my race didn't matter, but because of my experience I still felt very white even though I don't look white. Then I went to uni where the majority was white and suddenly I felt like the odd one out and people treated me like I was different, not in a bad way, but they acknowledged that I was a minority. So even in my own city I experienced my race differently in different parts of my life.
When Corry brings up the people who say, "I'm not a racist, I don't hate black people, I just want them to have their own space," and how that's still being racist because the conclusion depends on racial differences being real. That's like how gender critical types will say, "I'm not transphobic, I don't hate trans people, I just think trans people should have their own spaces separate from ours." That's still transphobic, for analogous reasons. Why does this other group need separate spaces? Is it because of something you pretend they're predisposed to do on the basis of their identity?
It depends on where it comes from. If a group of black people want to have a safe space, that is not the same as non black people saying that races are separate and not equal Edit: just as trans people wanting safe spaces is not the same as cis people telling them to go look for their own place in order to live in society as an equal person
It's crazy to think about how young these things are instilled in us as kids. My younger sister is 4 and my parents won't let me tell her I'm trans and the reasoning behind in case she "gets confused" with the construct of gender they've already fed her. It's quite scary to think about all the other things like: race and sexuality being used for stereotyping and more of the 'ism's and phobias we were brought up with. I appreciate the episode this week!
If they get confused, you can explain it to them! Kids get confused about math, too, I'm sure, but you don't withhold it from them, you teach it to them and allow them to get help on things they don't understand. People like that don't care about the children, they care about using children as an argument piece to push their transphobic agenda.
The amount of times ive heard australians say something like "i think he was asian or indian or something" is truly heartbreaking Edit: just learnt my ethnicity is gay
I will give you the standard answer I give when asked my race on a form-'perfer not to answer' 😂 I broke up with my partner of 4 years yesterday and was feeling pretty down, cheered me up so much when I saw 'with Jamp' on the title of this episode, exactly what I needed right now! So nice to see the guys reunited!
i’m so glad you post the episodes on youtube as well as apple music and spotify. i cant listen to podcasts bc i need something to look at but if i do something i zone out the speaking. this is perfect. thank you 🙏
Love the coyote and wolf conversation cause we have coywolves. They started as a mix of coyote and wolf but now actually have some dog in them. Super interesting.
Where I work I need to ask about people’s races and ethnicities pretty much everyday. There has been some awkward moments like people not knowing how to describe mixed babies. I’ve had a few moms say to me “they are black” when the mother is white. There’s always a moment of hesitation when are babies are mixed while they think about it. Of course I let them know they can choose as many races as they need to. A lot of people don’t know the difference between race and ethnicity. I myself didn’t know it when I started working there. I’m Hispanic but don’t know I was also considered white. A lot of people say what country they are from as if that’s their race. Also I’ve had a few Indian people not know that they are Asian. I’ve also had a few white people describe themselves as “normal” or “plain” when they say that they are white.
I'm gay and European, and I completely get where Corey coming from about how localised race is. So me and most of my friends are white Caucasian, but actually few of them have been bullied and called racist slurs when they were a kid, because they had had darker hair and brown eyes. It's really astonishing to me how far "racial" eugenics make people go to differentiate people based solely on their appearance. On that note, because our native language uses only gender neutral pronouns, I only came to understand my non-binary identity when learning other languages (like english) where gender specific pronouns exist. Society specific language is wild man...
Hey, a fellow enby! How some languages developed to be hyper-gendered to the point that every word ending changes compared to others that are just constantly neutral is so wild! I personally study Mandarin Chinese and there is actually no difference between pronouns in spoken Mandarin, which honestly gave me so much euphoria. There are however differences in written form, with no agreed upon character for a gender-neutral form. There is ‘X也 (yě)’ but this is kinda criticised as being too Westernised with the English X, however it was developed in community so that's really cool, I think! Always, apologies for the rant, hope you like learning about languages?
@@someoldytaccount Oh, that's so cool! I study Japanese myself and seeing as both use mostly the same writing system, it's so interesting to learn differences and similarities between these languages.
@@Ruostetta Korean actually also has an equivalent to Japanese Kanji which is termed Hanja, so I know Kanji is intimidating but knowing some of the characters just opens up so many pathways! Good luck learning :)
I didn’t realise I was mixed till we learned ab segregation at primary school and my friend would say that I wouldn’t be allowed to go to school with them 💀
Do you maybe know why he is not part of the podcast anymore? In the past he usually was part of the podcast every week but suddenly that stopped a couple months ago.
@@cd6305 btw jamp uses they/them! we don't know why they left, the sci guys channel's community tab on youtube has a post that mentions them leaving but not why
@@victai163 oh okay I completely respect his non binary identity but I personally don't use pronouns to refer to gender, but to refer to sex (sex and gender are different) and he's male so I use he/him. For transsexual people I use the pronouns for the sex that they wished they were born as. Hope this clears things up.
@@cd6305 you can't respect someone's gender identity and not use the pronouns that they are comfortable with. it's okay if you personally, for your own identity, correlate your sex and pronouns, but it's not up to you to decide someone else's identity with regards to sex, gender, or pronouns.
@@victai163 with all the respect. It's also not up to anybody else to decide how I speak. I use pronouns to refer to 'sex' and not 'gender' and you have to respect that. You can't control how other people talk.
I heard this in a standup skit somewhere on internet and i loved it. Comedian is from Egypt i think. And it was abt race and being "mixed race" and "african" while being "kinda beige" - People say i'm mixed. Of what, herbs and spices?! xD
So i saw Wolf feeding time at the New Forest wildlife park (it was really cool there, they have a butterfly house and other things, i wanted to see the scottish wildcat but i think it was hiding 😭 and they have several types of otters which i love so yeah its well worth going) and they told me that the stereotypical wolf image that we see with like black and grey on the coat is actually a hybrid. Wolves have bred with domestic dogs for quite a while just like as long as we have been keeping domestic dogs there has been occasional breeding. So if the wolf is sort of brown and sandy colour that is a wolf that is just a wolf, but if you see black and grey colours its a hybrid. Im not a scientist and have not checked this fact but it was from somebody who works in a small wildlife park with wolves so probably knows what he was talking about. This was about 5 or so years ago that I went.
Race is such an interesting concept because for the people who really care about race, it's irrationality and inconsistency is actually the point. I'm half mexican, half us american, and it's interesting to see how mexicans and hispanic/latino people in general will often be treated as though they are not white, but if you call out racist white people for that kind of thing, they will often default to the position that "actually, hispanic and latino are ethnic groups and and you're still white cause spain is in europe, so I can't be racist"
People are just confused when they look at me- i have black features, and brown skin, but my hair is straight. So I often get the question, "What are you?" This makes me laugh nowadays cuz its such a funny question, but im happy to tell people im British-Mauritian, mixed race, and my dad is black. However, some dont even ask, and tell me im from nigeria or India or China or something very far away where there is people who i look absolutely nothing like. Which now also makes me laughXD
From a Chilean, I don't think you'd be called white here. If anything people would say moreno or "mulato" (which is offensive to some people and I'm just using it as an example of what people say here). Race relations in LatAm vary a lot from country to country since the ethnicitiws in every country vary a lot as well.
I consider myself as broadly Asian, but more specifically Chinese in terms of what I knew as "ethnicity". I try not to be racist, but was raised with certain prejudices which I try to challenge within my own life. But for non-White folks to be "colour-blind" or express sentiments like that when racism is still a problem just confuses me. Yes, essentially, we're all the same in the end, but because of historical systems, there's certain things that are going to affect non-Whites differently based on perceived race than a White person is going to experience.
I'm so glad that you covered this topic. I've been trying to tell people that there isn't any scientific foundation for race whatsoever. Now I can just make them listen to this episode of the podcast/let them read the papers in the description 👍. Thank for all your hard work 💪. We appreciate it 🥰!
Being german is a very amusing experience listening to this episode bc we abandoned the word and the concept of race quite a while ago. We only have ethnicity left
In South Africa mixed people are classified as a different race, so we refer to mixed people as coloured, but I notice that this changes when anyone discusses celebrities from the West.
This is interesting, because I'm mixed race, and have an arabic name, but I appear to be white to people, since my skin colour is similar to southern europeans, despite being a mix between british and north african. I am impacted by racism when people see my name, but am treated completely different when in person
I did a small scale qualitative study on racism in uni. One of the participants pointed out that we have different traits because they were an evolutionary advantage based on our environment at some point. I like to think of our variance like that. It would be impossible to make strict categories. When Corry asked how many races there are I honestly thought the answer was going to be one. Wasn’t the human race all black many years ago?
i hear what you're saying however i often hear this line of thinking used to back up some hella racist theories about white supremacy 😭 i know you don't mean it like that but yeah
I also see this point used as evidence for strict border policies by countries with historical cases of high ethnic homogeneity. Japan gets called out a lot for this, because it's one of the only non-white countries that is attempting to essentially restrict white passage, whereas most (if not all) Westernised, white majority countries actively engage in harsh border control policies and measures in order to restrict foreigners (but generally those counted as "foreign" are just asylum seekers from non-white majority countries that the West destabilised and blew to smithereens).
My autistic brain can’t comprehend how it can be twisted that way, perhaps because it doesn’t make sense (at least to me). Regardless, I understand that certain phrases can be triggering and I don’t want to perpetuate anything that could be construed to be racist or agreeing with racist ideas. I won’t say it anymore. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
I'm answering the question! I am Caucasian, but my dad's parents were almost full blood native Americans who came from tribes and left to live stereotypical hetero American lives. My mother's side of the family is largely Irish and my great grandma came straight from England. I have been asked if I'm native American when I was younger because I used to play outside all the time and I got very tan easily and never burned. But now that I stay inside all time I'm white as a ghost thanks to my mom's wonderful genes! 😂😂 Also, when I was younger my hair went from blonde to penny brown. My dad used to be a bleach Blondie too but now he's got dark brown hair. I inherited his almost black brown eyes. Needless to say, I'm still technically white but my heritage is very confusing 😅😅 Im just gonna keep living as an Agnostic LGBT person as far as I'm aware lol we're all just ape thingys at the end of the day
As someone who grew up in Brazil, it will depend where you go. People usually say 'moreno' which means maybe 'tanned' or 'mulato' which means 'mixed' sorta, for anyone who isn't transparent white
From memory, personal reasons combined with the demand of filming made it not possible to continue as a permanent Sci Guy. I'm glad they're still interested in doing this though! It's good to see they're still around :) Edit: Jamp is literally from my city... Crazy!
With the increase of dialogue over the internet First Nations people in Australia have been experiencing unique types of racism and harassment around the way they identify as part of their community just because culture in America and other parts of the world don’t operate in the same way
I'm white (German), Chinese, black, Jewish, and Native American in order of prevalence.... But to most white people I'm 'what are you?', I'm not quite black enough to register as immediately black, and I'm definitely not Chinese enough. I did once get recognized as Native American by a Cherokee woman, which is the tribe my family history claims, but I'm not enough to qualify for tribe. I am genetically Jewish, but not ethnically. Again family history is that the Jewish side dropped the culturally Jewishness when they left Germany for America and became the 'Newman' in town. P.S. Historically at least in the US it actually was if you had one recorded black ancestor you were black. It was called the two drops rule and was used frequently to sell women with slight black ancestory into slavery especially if she had inherited wealth and no direct, white male relatives. At least in the US if you have a parent with a black phenotype you are mostly considered black even with lighter skin tones. (my dad was Chinese, black and native American and he was socially treated as full black despite being more genetically Asian and more stereotypically, in interests, Asian, just based on his skin tone. Me I'm a bit harder since I ended up way lighter in skin, but as soon as people saw my parents I was considered black despite being mostly white genetically. This is probably different outside of America. Even historically in America there were terms for percentages of mixed, but they are no longer commonly used. (mulatto, mestizos), but 'the white and everything other' distinction was more useful to keep racial casting in social order. In the famous Court case Plessy VS. Ferguson, Plessy was mixed race and light enough to purchase a 'white's only' ticket, sneak onto the 'white's only' train and had to 'out' himself to get arrested. He was considered an 'octoroon' 1/8th black, but legally still fully black.
on the subject of everyone from asia being grouped together - in some countries they actually group middle eastern and south asian people into the white race. so random! and then they use that as a way of excusing discrimination against those people, because "it's not racism, they're the same race as us" 🤦♀️
How people classify others has changed wildly over the millenia. Romans considered people as either "Roman" or "Barbarian". Basically are they assimilated into Roman culture or not. Post-Roman Europeans viewed the various European cultures as seperate. Norsemen, Irish, Franks (French) etc. Then, Europeans started seperating people by religion (Christian, Jew, Moor or Muslim, and Pagan) and the old cultural separations were mostly political and superficial. Then, with the advent of colonialism, race as we understand it came about. A note on the technological progress. China was incredibly advanced compared to Europe, especially after the fall of Rome and the ensuing Dark Age. What really pushed Europeans ahead was lenses. Almost every culture invented glass at some point, but Europeans uniquely invented the reinforced glass needed to make high power lenses. What's really interesting is why. It's champagne. The Chinese mostly drank tea, so obviously they invented incredible ceramics. We drank mostly wine, so we developed high purity glass to show off the colour. But champagne had a problem. The bottles kept exploding. So, some smart person developed a stronger glass that could hold high pressures, and that stronger glass also allowed Europeans to develop microscopes, leading to a scientific revolution, and high power telescopes, also advancing science but also allowing the naval supremacy that led to colonialism.
My family kinda found themselves after fleeing from different places in Europe in WW2. Also like 90 years ago there was a Native American woman, and you can still see parts of her in my grandpa, my dad and me. But that really doesn’t count.
I'm multiracial (white - yellow - black - red). It's cool, I cannot be racist since anyone could be a cousin 😁. Also, don't you think it's weird that americans totally ignore us and label mixed people as black? Seems they are very binary and don't do nuance. Everything is black or white.
This is just another reason to support Hawai'i gaining back independence. I've seen their forms for things like self-identification and they are so recognising of mixed race people, both presently and historically (some grey areas obviously, as the mainlanders invaded). The local pidgin word 'hapa' is gaining back traction in the multiracial community there after it was used as a slur by invaders and I just think full support to those who are reclaiming their history!
I know you don't mean it like that but "I can't be racist since anyone could be a cousin" sounds a bit like " I'm a woman so I can't be sexist" , you can still carry harmful stereotypes and internalise them without realising
@@tedchevalier4568, it would be stupid of me. I always saw that the only harmful people are those volontarily evil, those who like to hurt others. They are evenly dispatched on all the planet.
funny to me that americans would think corey looks indigenous because lmfao not even a little bit also fun fact on the topic of mixed not being it's own race, you're generally right but Métis people in canada are a unique culture with many defining core experiences inherent to being racially/genetically mixed. i wonder if there are other examples
I am Swiss, and Algerian on my father side. In my father's family we have pale people (my father is paler) and darker. One of my uncles is probably like corry in winter and super dark tanned in summer and would pass for black in Switzerland, whereas my father can pass as Swiss since having grey hair, or maybe Italian in summer. I am myself pale and everyone reads me as European/white, but I also have like 5% subsaharan African DNA 😆 This is why I am also very perplexed by race as defined by Americans for example, like what are North Africans then? If I had to fill a US form with my "race" I wouldn't know. Sure I pass for white all the way, but it would feel inaccurate because I am literally half African. There are people in the US read as black that are genetically more European/white than me. Race makes no sense really. The US view especially is nonsense and gives me a headache 😆
Possibly a strange question, but if a study is done where the whole sample group consists of cis white men (or men Western European heritage) is the sample for the study biased? I'm thinking here of a common criticism of the initial BMI research done in 1830, where this was the case (as an aside, I know that there are lots of other reasons this particular research was flawed, this is not the only criticism of the research). I had always assumed that it was racist not to include a cross-section of different racial/ethnic backgrounds in a study like this, due to possible genetic variance. I am now wondering if the reverse might be true (i.e. the conflation of 'diverse' and 'racially/ethnically diverse' sounds racist to me). To be clear, were non-white people to be intentionally excluded from studies, that would definitely and unarguably be 100% be racist and extremely fucked up on many levels. I AM NOT suggesting that would be a good idea. Instead of having quota around mixed racial and/or ethnic backgrounds, it sounds like it could potentially be more apt to screen for genetic variation to allow for diverse study samples, as the population is genetically diversity applies to everyone regardless of heritage/physical appearance... IDK, I just had a moment where something that seemed fair and sensible suddenly sounded much less so and I thought... ah, have I accidently bought into a system because it sounded good without really thinking it through? However, I also don't want to buy into a system that sees everyone as white & intentionally excludes people who are not, for obvious reasons (and I know this can also happen). Anyway, food for thought. (Also, the whole same sex thing is another well documented concern around medical studies - especially the intentional exclusion of period-havers - but I'm not going to get on that particular band-wagon in this comment, lol. I'll save that for another episode)
You wouldn't be considered white in Brazil, in my opinion. You would be considered either black or pardo, witch means brown and its the word we use for people who look too ambiguous to be classified as white or black, or balck. We don't really use the word "mixed". I have a feeling if you were brazilian you would self identify as black, as there is a push for people to recognize their backness in more liberal circles. There is also a lot of affirmative action that pushes people to self identify as black or pardo more often, nowadays. In the past, a lot of ambiguous looking people would self identify as pardo or white to distance themselves from backness here. It's all very relative and we rely a lot on self identification, cause we are such a mixed society that a big proportion of people look very ambiguous, but I think the person who said you would be considered white is was tripping lol.
I would suggest putting the videos on x2 speed like I do with my lectures, but this stuff is actually interesting so I get wanting to dedicate time for each video :)
a bit frustrated listening to the beginning of the episode. a little more research would have gone farther into helping understand "race": Race - each of the major groupings into which humankind is considered (in various theories or contexts) to be divided on the basis of physical characteristics or shared ancestry (eg: white, black, brown, asian, indigenous...) Ethnicity - the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent (eg: Ethnic Groups such as Rromani, Hmong, Mongolian, Italian, British, etc, can be someone's ethnicity) Nationality - refers to where you were born and/or raised (eg: One's parents are both immigrants but because they were born in America and raised there, They are American.) Citizenship - the position or status of being a citizen of a particular country. (eg: every nation has different citizenship laws, you could be born & raised in the UAS or Saudi Arabia and claim nationality but not citizenship.) I agree with what Corey said, race is very complex and it is not official whether there is 3 or 60 at this time. Obviously these are all similar terms but the distinction is important, every person is unique and nuanced!
@@SciGuys I think what they're saying is that ethnicity isn't the country where one is born and raised because that's nationality. Like someone can have Yakut as their ethnicity and Russian as their nationality.
Corey gave so many amazing one liners this episode.
“In this case the chicken and the egg popped out at once and called me the N word”
When was is said?
@@alicesshelter9719 1:36:21
I'm also mixed. My elementary school had mainly black kids, so I was the white kid there. My high school was very mixed, so my race didn't matter, but because of my experience I still felt very white even though I don't look white. Then I went to uni where the majority was white and suddenly I felt like the odd one out and people treated me like I was different, not in a bad way, but they acknowledged that I was a minority. So even in my own city I experienced my race differently in different parts of my life.
Jamp!! So glad to see a familiar face 😊
Race is a difficult subject to discuss. Thanks for this one, guys!
When Corry brings up the people who say, "I'm not a racist, I don't hate black people, I just want them to have their own space," and how that's still being racist because the conclusion depends on racial differences being real. That's like how gender critical types will say, "I'm not transphobic, I don't hate trans people, I just think trans people should have their own spaces separate from ours." That's still transphobic, for analogous reasons.
Why does this other group need separate spaces? Is it because of something you pretend they're predisposed to do on the basis of their identity?
It depends on where it comes from. If a group of black people want to have a safe space, that is not the same as non black people saying that races are separate and not equal
Edit: just as trans people wanting safe spaces is not the same as cis people telling them to go look for their own place in order to live in society as an equal person
It's crazy to think about how young these things are instilled in us as kids. My younger sister is 4 and my parents won't let me tell her I'm trans and the reasoning behind in case she "gets confused" with the construct of gender they've already fed her. It's quite scary to think about all the other things like: race and sexuality being used for stereotyping and more of the 'ism's and phobias we were brought up with. I appreciate the episode this week!
omg i wish you the best, sucks to hear your parents are being that way
If they get confused, you can explain it to them! Kids get confused about math, too, I'm sure, but you don't withhold it from them, you teach it to them and allow them to get help on things they don't understand. People like that don't care about the children, they care about using children as an argument piece to push their transphobic agenda.
It’s literally only confusing to the kid if they are taught it’s wrong. Your parents got 💩 brains
Thank you guys
The amount of times ive heard australians say something like "i think he was asian or indian or something" is truly heartbreaking
Edit: just learnt my ethnicity is gay
I will give you the standard answer I give when asked my race on a form-'perfer not to answer' 😂 I broke up with my partner of 4 years yesterday and was feeling pretty down, cheered me up so much when I saw 'with Jamp' on the title of this episode, exactly what I needed right now! So nice to see the guys reunited!
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i’m so glad you post the episodes on youtube as well as apple music and spotify. i cant listen to podcasts bc i need something to look at but if i do something i zone out the speaking. this is perfect. thank you 🙏
I just wandet to let u know how much joy ur podcast brings to me, in the world of a closeted queer kid!🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈Thank You!
Love the coyote and wolf conversation cause we have coywolves. They started as a mix of coyote and wolf but now actually have some dog in them. Super interesting.
Where I work I need to ask about people’s races and ethnicities pretty much everyday. There has been some awkward moments like people not knowing how to describe mixed babies. I’ve had a few moms say to me “they are black” when the mother is white. There’s always a moment of hesitation when are babies are mixed while they think about it. Of course I let them know they can choose as many races as they need to.
A lot of people don’t know the difference between race and ethnicity. I myself didn’t know it when I started working there. I’m Hispanic but don’t know I was also considered white. A lot of people say what country they are from as if that’s their race. Also I’ve had a few Indian people not know that they are Asian. I’ve also had a few white people describe themselves as “normal” or “plain” when they say that they are white.
"normal" and "plain" :skull: :skull:
I love the chaotic energy that Jamp brought to this episode 😂
I'm gay and European, and I completely get where Corey coming from about how localised race is. So me and most of my friends are white Caucasian, but actually few of them have been bullied and called racist slurs when they were a kid, because they had had darker hair and brown eyes. It's really astonishing to me how far "racial" eugenics make people go to differentiate people based solely on their appearance.
On that note, because our native language uses only gender neutral pronouns, I only came to understand my non-binary identity when learning other languages (like english) where gender specific pronouns exist. Society specific language is wild man...
Hey, a fellow enby! How some languages developed to be hyper-gendered to the point that every word ending changes compared to others that are just constantly neutral is so wild! I personally study Mandarin Chinese and there is actually no difference between pronouns in spoken Mandarin, which honestly gave me so much euphoria. There are however differences in written form, with no agreed upon character for a gender-neutral form. There is ‘X也 (yě)’ but this is kinda criticised as being too Westernised with the English X, however it was developed in community so that's really cool, I think! Always, apologies for the rant, hope you like learning about languages?
@@someoldytaccount Oh, that's so cool! I study Japanese myself and seeing as both use mostly the same writing system, it's so interesting to learn differences and similarities between these languages.
@@Ruostetta Korean actually also has an equivalent to Japanese Kanji which is termed Hanja, so I know Kanji is intimidating but knowing some of the characters just opens up so many pathways! Good luck learning :)
Fully agreed. Also, torille?
@@Starlightean Torilla tavataan!
I didn’t realise I was mixed till we learned ab segregation at primary school and my friend would say that I wouldn’t be allowed to go to school with them 💀
So nice to see jamp again !! :D!! Hope they are doing well!
Edit: they
Do you maybe know why he is not part of the podcast anymore? In the past he usually was part of the podcast every week but suddenly that stopped a couple months ago.
@@cd6305 btw jamp uses they/them! we don't know why they left, the sci guys channel's community tab on youtube has a post that mentions them leaving but not why
@@victai163 oh okay I completely respect his non binary identity but I personally don't use pronouns to refer to gender, but to refer to sex (sex and gender are different) and he's male so I use he/him. For transsexual people I use the pronouns for the sex that they wished they were born as. Hope this clears things up.
@@cd6305 you can't respect someone's gender identity and not use the pronouns that they are comfortable with. it's okay if you personally, for your own identity, correlate your sex and pronouns, but it's not up to you to decide someone else's identity with regards to sex, gender, or pronouns.
@@victai163 with all the respect. It's also not up to anybody else to decide how I speak. I use pronouns to refer to 'sex' and not 'gender' and you have to respect that. You can't control how other people talk.
I heard this in a standup skit somewhere on internet and i loved it. Comedian is from Egypt i think. And it was abt race and being "mixed race" and "african" while being "kinda beige"
- People say i'm mixed. Of what, herbs and spices?!
xD
So i saw Wolf feeding time at the New Forest wildlife park (it was really cool there, they have a butterfly house and other things, i wanted to see the scottish wildcat but i think it was hiding 😭 and they have several types of otters which i love so yeah its well worth going) and they told me that the stereotypical wolf image that we see with like black and grey on the coat is actually a hybrid. Wolves have bred with domestic dogs for quite a while just like as long as we have been keeping domestic dogs there has been occasional breeding. So if the wolf is sort of brown and sandy colour that is a wolf that is just a wolf, but if you see black and grey colours its a hybrid.
Im not a scientist and have not checked this fact but it was from somebody who works in a small wildlife park with wolves so probably knows what he was talking about. This was about 5 or so years ago that I went.
So happy to see jamp back I’ve missed them!
Race is such an interesting concept because for the people who really care about race, it's irrationality and inconsistency is actually the point. I'm half mexican, half us american, and it's interesting to see how mexicans and hispanic/latino people in general will often be treated as though they are not white, but if you call out racist white people for that kind of thing, they will often default to the position that "actually, hispanic and latino are ethnic groups and and you're still white cause spain is in europe, so I can't be racist"
People are just confused when they look at me- i have black features, and brown skin, but my hair is straight. So I often get the question, "What are you?" This makes me laugh nowadays cuz its such a funny question, but im happy to tell people im British-Mauritian, mixed race, and my dad is black. However, some dont even ask, and tell me im from nigeria or India or China or something very far away where there is people who i look absolutely nothing like. Which now also makes me laughXD
From a Chilean, I don't think you'd be called white here. If anything people would say moreno or "mulato" (which is offensive to some people and I'm just using it as an example of what people say here). Race relations in LatAm vary a lot from country to country since the ethnicitiws in every country vary a lot as well.
I consider myself as broadly Asian, but more specifically Chinese in terms of what I knew as "ethnicity". I try not to be racist, but was raised with certain prejudices which I try to challenge within my own life. But for non-White folks to be "colour-blind" or express sentiments like that when racism is still a problem just confuses me. Yes, essentially, we're all the same in the end, but because of historical systems, there's certain things that are going to affect non-Whites differently based on perceived race than a White person is going to experience.
I'm so glad that you covered this topic. I've been trying to tell people that there isn't any scientific foundation for race whatsoever. Now I can just make them listen to this episode of the podcast/let them read the papers in the description 👍.
Thank for all your hard work 💪. We appreciate it 🥰!
Being german is a very amusing experience listening to this episode bc we abandoned the word and the concept of race quite a while ago. We only have ethnicity left
In South Africa mixed people are classified as a different race, so we refer to mixed people as coloured, but I notice that this changes when anyone discusses celebrities from the West.
I really like the fact that we are related to orangutans, they are lovely
Oh how I have missed Jamp and his expressions.
This is interesting, because I'm mixed race, and have an arabic name, but I appear to be white to people, since my skin colour is similar to southern europeans, despite being a mix between british and north african. I am impacted by racism when people see my name, but am treated completely different when in person
I did a small scale qualitative study on racism in uni. One of the participants pointed out that we have different traits because they were an evolutionary advantage based on our environment at some point. I like to think of our variance like that. It would be impossible to make strict categories. When Corry asked how many races there are I honestly thought the answer was going to be one. Wasn’t the human race all black many years ago?
i hear what you're saying however i often hear this line of thinking used to back up some hella racist theories about white supremacy 😭 i know you don't mean it like that but yeah
I also see this point used as evidence for strict border policies by countries with historical cases of high ethnic homogeneity. Japan gets called out a lot for this, because it's one of the only non-white countries that is attempting to essentially restrict white passage, whereas most (if not all) Westernised, white majority countries actively engage in harsh border control policies and measures in order to restrict foreigners (but generally those counted as "foreign" are just asylum seekers from non-white majority countries that the West destabilised and blew to smithereens).
My autistic brain can’t comprehend how it can be twisted that way, perhaps because it doesn’t make sense (at least to me). Regardless, I understand that certain phrases can be triggering and I don’t want to perpetuate anything that could be construed to be racist or agreeing with racist ideas. I won’t say it anymore. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
I'm answering the question! I am Caucasian, but my dad's parents were almost full blood native Americans who came from tribes and left to live stereotypical hetero American lives. My mother's side of the family is largely Irish and my great grandma came straight from England. I have been asked if I'm native American when I was younger because I used to play outside all the time and I got very tan easily and never burned. But now that I stay inside all time I'm white as a ghost thanks to my mom's wonderful genes! 😂😂
Also, when I was younger my hair went from blonde to penny brown. My dad used to be a bleach Blondie too but now he's got dark brown hair. I inherited his almost black brown eyes. Needless to say, I'm still technically white but my heritage is very confusing 😅😅
Im just gonna keep living as an Agnostic LGBT person as far as I'm aware lol we're all just ape thingys at the end of the day
"Every single time I go to a clan rally..." You slay me Corey
As someone who grew up in Brazil, it will depend where you go. People usually say 'moreno' which means maybe 'tanned' or 'mulato' which means 'mixed' sorta, for anyone who isn't transparent white
Why did Jamp leave us & Sci Guys & the internet??!!!! I'd LOVE to have Jamp back on Sci Guys permanently!!!
From memory, personal reasons combined with the demand of filming made it not possible to continue as a permanent Sci Guy. I'm glad they're still interested in doing this though! It's good to see they're still around :)
Edit: Jamp is literally from my city... Crazy!
@@someoldytaccount thanks! I was wondering where he went.
JAMP'S BACK AYEE
With the increase of dialogue over the internet First Nations people in Australia have been experiencing unique types of racism and harassment around the way they identify as part of their community just because culture in America and other parts of the world don’t operate in the same way
I'm white (German), Chinese, black, Jewish, and Native American in order of prevalence.... But to most white people I'm 'what are you?', I'm not quite black enough to register as immediately black, and I'm definitely not Chinese enough. I did once get recognized as Native American by a Cherokee woman, which is the tribe my family history claims, but I'm not enough to qualify for tribe. I am genetically Jewish, but not ethnically. Again family history is that the Jewish side dropped the culturally Jewishness when they left Germany for America and became the 'Newman' in town.
P.S. Historically at least in the US it actually was if you had one recorded black ancestor you were black. It was called the two drops rule and was used frequently to sell women with slight black ancestory into slavery especially if she had inherited wealth and no direct, white male relatives. At least in the US if you have a parent with a black phenotype you are mostly considered black even with lighter skin tones. (my dad was Chinese, black and native American and he was socially treated as full black despite being more genetically Asian and more stereotypically, in interests, Asian, just based on his skin tone. Me I'm a bit harder since I ended up way lighter in skin, but as soon as people saw my parents I was considered black despite being mostly white genetically. This is probably different outside of America. Even historically in America there were terms for percentages of mixed, but they are no longer commonly used. (mulatto, mestizos), but 'the white and everything other' distinction was more useful to keep racial casting in social order. In the famous Court case Plessy VS. Ferguson, Plessy was mixed race and light enough to purchase a 'white's only' ticket, sneak onto the 'white's only' train and had to 'out' himself to get arrested. He was considered an 'octoroon' 1/8th black, but legally still fully black.
Jamp! Long time no see... Good to see, good to see!
on the subject of everyone from asia being grouped together - in some countries they actually group middle eastern and south asian people into the white race. so random! and then they use that as a way of excusing discrimination against those people, because "it's not racism, they're the same race as us" 🤦♀️
Interesting thing about race is that if there actually was a real diffrence between "races" of people then oh boy we would all know about it.
As Forrest Valkai once said, "Race isn't a real thing, but racism definitely is."
Jamp is back \o/
How people classify others has changed wildly over the millenia. Romans considered people as either "Roman" or "Barbarian". Basically are they assimilated into Roman culture or not. Post-Roman Europeans viewed the various European cultures as seperate. Norsemen, Irish, Franks (French) etc. Then, Europeans started seperating people by religion (Christian, Jew, Moor or Muslim, and Pagan) and the old cultural separations were mostly political and superficial. Then, with the advent of colonialism, race as we understand it came about.
A note on the technological progress. China was incredibly advanced compared to Europe, especially after the fall of Rome and the ensuing Dark Age. What really pushed Europeans ahead was lenses. Almost every culture invented glass at some point, but Europeans uniquely invented the reinforced glass needed to make high power lenses. What's really interesting is why. It's champagne. The Chinese mostly drank tea, so obviously they invented incredible ceramics. We drank mostly wine, so we developed high purity glass to show off the colour. But champagne had a problem. The bottles kept exploding. So, some smart person developed a stronger glass that could hold high pressures, and that stronger glass also allowed Europeans to develop microscopes, leading to a scientific revolution, and high power telescopes, also advancing science but also allowing the naval supremacy that led to colonialism.
Btw soooo happy to see Jamp 🥲
I live in the US. We have our own so-called "American Dingo" or Carolina dog
lovely to see jamp
1:17:52 you thought this would save you from snippy comments but actually Orangutans are the most distantly related from us of all Great Apes 🦍 🦧
When it comes to ethnicity I always thought it referred to like Ethnic groups (e.g. Zulu people)
I'm white if I'm in a diverse space, brown if I'm in a predominantly white country (?) 😂 Depends who's watching.
Ethnically it's a bit more complex
I’m mixed race :)
I’m European
@@iupiter.161 I’m mixed English and Jamaican
My family kinda found themselves after fleeing from different places in Europe in WW2. Also like 90 years ago there was a Native American woman, and you can still see parts of her in my grandpa, my dad and me. But that really doesn’t count.
Ah it was commenting on every episode since the last anniversary and you'd do a giveaway draw. I guess 205 was the projected anniversary episode.
Im here after watching the new episode in which corry looks at the camera and says he's white
I am of the human race! But am a mixblood of South American Indigenous, Crioulo and Caucasian Actually, I don´t use the word race ever , so outdated!
Interesting as always.
I think they would guess Puerto Rican in the USA. People would try to speak Spanish to you.
Im southeast asian!! Specifically filipino
I'm multiracial (white - yellow - black - red). It's cool, I cannot be racist since anyone could be a cousin 😁. Also, don't you think it's weird that americans totally ignore us and label mixed people as black? Seems they are very binary and don't do nuance. Everything is black or white.
This is just another reason to support Hawai'i gaining back independence. I've seen their forms for things like self-identification and they are so recognising of mixed race people, both presently and historically (some grey areas obviously, as the mainlanders invaded). The local pidgin word 'hapa' is gaining back traction in the multiracial community there after it was used as a slur by invaders and I just think full support to those who are reclaiming their history!
I know you don't mean it like that but "I can't be racist since anyone could be a cousin" sounds a bit like " I'm a woman so I can't be sexist" , you can still carry harmful stereotypes and internalise them without realising
@@tedchevalier4568, it would be stupid of me. I always saw that the only harmful people are those volontarily evil, those who like to hurt others. They are evenly dispatched on all the planet.
“Behavioral differences” in that definition is sus
funny to me that americans would think corey looks indigenous because lmfao not even a little bit
also fun fact on the topic of mixed not being it's own race, you're generally right but Métis people in canada are a unique culture with many defining core experiences inherent to being racially/genetically mixed. i wonder if there are other examples
That would be an ethnic group. Races don’t need to have a shared culture
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I am Swiss, and Algerian on my father side. In my father's family we have pale people (my father is paler) and darker. One of my uncles is probably like corry in winter and super dark tanned in summer and would pass for black in Switzerland, whereas my father can pass as Swiss since having grey hair, or maybe Italian in summer.
I am myself pale and everyone reads me as European/white, but I also have like 5% subsaharan African DNA 😆
This is why I am also very perplexed by race as defined by Americans for example, like what are North Africans then? If I had to fill a US form with my "race" I wouldn't know. Sure I pass for white all the way, but it would feel inaccurate because I am literally half African. There are people in the US read as black that are genetically more European/white than me.
Race makes no sense really. The US view especially is nonsense and gives me a headache 😆
Possibly a strange question, but if a study is done where the whole sample group consists of cis white men (or men Western European heritage) is the sample for the study biased?
I'm thinking here of a common criticism of the initial BMI research done in 1830, where this was the case (as an aside, I know that there are lots of other reasons this particular research was flawed, this is not the only criticism of the research). I had always assumed that it was racist not to include a cross-section of different racial/ethnic backgrounds in a study like this, due to possible genetic variance. I am now wondering if the reverse might be true (i.e. the conflation of 'diverse' and 'racially/ethnically diverse' sounds racist to me). To be clear, were non-white people to be intentionally excluded from studies, that would definitely and unarguably be 100% be racist and extremely fucked up on many levels. I AM NOT suggesting that would be a good idea.
Instead of having quota around mixed racial and/or ethnic backgrounds, it sounds like it could potentially be more apt to screen for genetic variation to allow for diverse study samples, as the population is genetically diversity applies to everyone regardless of heritage/physical appearance...
IDK, I just had a moment where something that seemed fair and sensible suddenly sounded much less so and I thought... ah, have I accidently bought into a system because it sounded good without really thinking it through? However, I also don't want to buy into a system that sees everyone as white & intentionally excludes people who are not, for obvious reasons (and I know this can also happen). Anyway, food for thought.
(Also, the whole same sex thing is another well documented concern around medical studies - especially the intentional exclusion of period-havers - but I'm not going to get on that particular band-wagon in this comment, lol. I'll save that for another episode)
You wouldn't be considered white in Brazil, in my opinion. You would be considered either black or pardo, witch means brown and its the word we use for people who look too ambiguous to be classified as white or black, or balck. We don't really use the word "mixed". I have a feeling if you were brazilian you would self identify as black, as there is a push for people to recognize their backness in more liberal circles. There is also a lot of affirmative action that pushes people to self identify as black or pardo more often, nowadays. In the past, a lot of ambiguous looking people would self identify as pardo or white to distance themselves from backness here. It's all very relative and we rely a lot on self identification, cause we are such a mixed society that a big proportion of people look very ambiguous, but I think the person who said you would be considered white is was tripping lol.
First??? ALSO great show found y'all a few months ago.
I'm mixed white and latina
We are not the same species of apes though 🤔 one of the bubbles said that. I guess maybe by "ape" it means the great apes
America has a messed up view of race, true. But we learned it from our daddy, England!!!
Black British (carribean)
i'm light skinned black
56% UK then almost every thing else I look white with a very good Tan
Half Irish half black dominican
lmao jamp
I am as white as a white Ikea shelf
Guys stop making new episodes I'm only like 50 to 60 in
Listen faster
I would suggest putting the videos on x2 speed like I do with my lectures, but this stuff is actually interesting so I get wanting to dedicate time for each video :)
White
Are we just saying random colours?
Cyan!
Max Verstappen is the best racist, f1!!!
a bit frustrated listening to the beginning of the episode. a little more research would have gone farther into helping understand "race":
Race - each of the major groupings into which humankind is considered (in various theories or contexts) to be divided on the basis of physical characteristics or shared ancestry (eg: white, black, brown, asian, indigenous...)
Ethnicity - the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent (eg: Ethnic Groups such as Rromani, Hmong, Mongolian, Italian, British, etc, can be someone's ethnicity)
Nationality - refers to where you were born and/or raised (eg: One's parents are both immigrants but because they were born in America and raised there, They are American.)
Citizenship - the position or status of being a citizen of a particular country. (eg: every nation has different citizenship laws, you could be born & raised in the UAS or Saudi Arabia and claim nationality but not citizenship.)
I agree with what Corey said, race is very complex and it is not official whether there is 3 or 60 at this time. Obviously these are all similar terms but the distinction is important, every person is unique and nuanced!
You're criticising the level of research and yet you've also used the google definitions for these terms.
@@SciGuys I think what they're saying is that ethnicity isn't the country where one is born and raised because that's nationality. Like someone can have Yakut as their ethnicity and Russian as their nationality.
lol I'm white