This was filmed in 1978. It is now 45 years later. Look at how society has declined. Its shocking. Dr. Sowell has been speaking the truth for all this time. The man is a national treasure.
@@lisettem1009 always the same "real socialism". Maybe because it is impossible. It will always fail. As it starts to fail, the damned "politic" in charge will say he needs more power and will, eventually - or should I say "will, as conseqyence" - become a dictator as ANYWHERE IT WAS TRIED. Captalism believees in the price system created by the people naturally, without the need for intervention of humans. The price system is the product of people trading for what they need. Socialism will ALWAYS derive to dictatorship. Because it depends on the good will of people. And People will ALWAYS choose the easier way, just like electricity or water will "unconciously choose" the path with less resistance. We, as living beings, are the same. Nobody wants to work. Captalism make people WANT TO WORK. Because for every weight you put on something, you see some result without depending on people. You need people for the interactions and it's not perfect. But the less people deciding, the better
I was thinking how "civil" these conversations were, considering the number of people on the panel, and how the panel spent more time listening than "yelling". This isn't Jerry Springer! Thank goodness. You're right! How far we've fallen.
@@Smoomty they attached each other's ideas & rhetoric. That's at the very least a productive action. Nowadays many debates & discussions resort to attacks based on identity as they don't know how to combat their ideas. They just know they don't like them.
No mainstream rap music. Three TV channels for most. No cellphones (therefore no smartphones). No personal computers. No internet. A more structured society. Hollywood entertainment hadn’t yet degraded to constant swearing and toilet humor. College degrees actually meant something. Less outside distractions. More down to earth city officials and politicians. More purpose in life. No excessive entertainment like playing video games or streaming hundreds of movies/shows. Etiquette was still understood by people. Kids were more encouraged to write in cursive. More people read books. More people could research on their own (rather than take the easy way out like web searching). More people understood the threat of nuclear bombs from the ensuing Cold War.
I also thought the sane way after watching this discussion or debate. I to felt the same way and said back then we were able to have different opinions and encouraged those who had different opinions. Why is it different today? There's more than one reason, but I think one main reason is we were more educated bavk then , than we are today. We embraced being unique and encouraged independent thinking.
This is the thing that stands out to me the most. Respectable people, showing respect to others, which makes them respectable . Its a beautiful cycle. Great thoughts here.
It's why i came here because i started a Thomas Sowell binge at 3am😆..basically got a video on what socialism looked like back then..then came the debate!..i was in debate class but was in the back or didnt show up..now im taking notes on what to say to mf's who wanna try me..but nah im just educating myself and im tired of the people on facebook ha..felt like i was on crazy pills
@@NegritaBrujita Me too. There’s so many problems with the ‘protest’ and the fallout. It’s hard to defend- and hard to turn your back on- knowing what is happening in the the last year specifically and the last 30?+ years in general. We’ve arrived at a bad place no matter what side of the aisle you prefer.
Friedman's works are must-reads. As for Sowell, he writes very well also. Clear, concise, and consistent. No moral relativism in HIS makeup. Always hits the mark in talks and articles. I haven't caught anything recently, but I always read his articles on Townhall.com. I've got two of his books. Lucid, relevant, and timeless.
I enjoyed watching them engaged with each other in a civil, honest, intellectual, and respectable manner in spite of their differences...wish we had more of that today.
@Top Gun you'd be surprised. The problem is the effort has to be made. If you make a point of having an honest, thoughtful, civil discussion, you'll find it's not that hard. The problem is too often we don't WANT that discussion. We want the snapback clapback mic drop moment. It's entertaining and satisfying, but much like a bag of cheap snacks, not very fulfilling. Nor is it productive to finding that proper balance between tradeoffs
@Top Gun you can make the effort, though, it's not like your an automaton, programmed to act a certain way. It's not easy, but it is possible if you put in the effort = )
@Nicolas Frank It's not a dictatorship. And the supreme court just recently become more "Republican". If you go by the society, the norm is leftist america. Turn on any tv, watch any movie,.. it's all pro leftist and anti- conservative. Leftists control most of the internet and media. There's a reason it's called FAKE NEWS.
@Nicolas Frank as a Democrat I can tell you I'm disgusted in what we have become In Americans. We are no longer a country that has honest discussions because WE the left have made it more important to put people's feeling above facts. And truth is more hurtful even in a normal conversation. We did this.
@@mikemartins3297 see this is the problem right here. Instead of blaming the left for this or the right for that WE as in everybody need to realize both side have been stirring the pot, and the more we go back forth trying to throw blame on each other the more we get divided and nothing really changes. I'll leave with this, there is no such thing as a left or right america(usonia) especially with corporate bribes going on behind closed doors. Why else you think clark kent and superman don't shake hands man.
Here’s some outcry: Something about this video Friedman made was, on an optical level, subtly prejudice towards black people in the way it married welfare in the US largely with black people, where white people are the largest group receiving it in the US. He showcased the UK system with whites because it closely related to the inner city systems he showed in the US that are historically black. And that’s where his argument can be made and ONLY made, in my opinion because his biggest critique of it is it keeps people from making a living and climbing this latter of “upward mobility” and “trickle down” economics given to us by a free market with readily available jobs . If he takes his argument to rural areas where there is no infrastructure for work as it is in the city, large groups of white people like in West Virginia, who literally live in crumbling housing in some parts and just collect welfare, his argument reveals itself to be a huge subjective straw man and kind of fizzles out. What’s his solution then? The negative income tax?
@@CapnBuzz if he didn’t obsess over American black people in the situation then no one would have cared. It’s during the era of the civil rights movement
Agreed. I'd submit the reason, which you may already be aware of, is simply this : this civil discourse isn't as interesting to the minds of a modern audience (generally speaking). One may call it boring. On the other hand, emotionally driven opinions and debates seem to catch the attention of the modern day viewer more easily. The sensationalism, the drama, is far more craved to satisfy a viewing appetite, than the metaphorical "meat and potatoes" presented in the video, even though the older debate has far more substance, civility, patience, and intellect within it.
Thomas Sowell is a total bad ass. His insight and absolute honesty, combined with his intelligence and logic is extremely difficult to argue with. I love him. I wish guys like him ran our country.
He's not honest. He dances around racism and discrimination by talking about China and certain people think he's a genuis. He's a mascot for conservative talking points.
My mother never worked she’s been on welfare for 60 years I start working wen my oldest went to school I’m 36 a nurse an been working the last 15 years my son 19 an he’s a welder an my youngest 10 honor roll student I’m jus saying I changed the cycle I never seen my mother work but my sons seen both of there parents work
wow. i've always thought that being dependent on welfare too long makes a person lose ambition to do more with their life. i'm glad you had motivation to move ahead and be the example that your children need to see.
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Yes, the part where capitalism fails which created the welfare system to begin with. The rich and the politicians have no idea what they are doing. They literally just ruined the economy because they didn't want to pay higher wages and workers were revolting. Jerome Powell is an idiot.
@msimmons3877 Neo liberal capitalist policies have only furthered the break up of working class families of all colors. Clinton "Ended Welfare as Welfare Know It." Capitalism with it boom and bust cycles along with the search for cheaper labor breaks up workers families. Join a union and fight back. .
This discussion was very satisfying. Black middle class and working class people for years have been saying what Dr. Sowell and Dr. Friedman have been saying: Welfare is a trap. My parents always said that and insisted that we work hard. I am in my forties and could not be more thankful for my parents instilling that in me and my siblings. You become harder working and responsible when you are spending your money versus someone else’s. Also, you have more self respect when you earn your check. This is an inconvenient truth that needs to be replayed over and over again. I thoroughly enjoyed this and will watch again. Thanks ReelBlack!
As a native swede, 60 years old, I have seen what the welfaresystem people does with people. It creates bitter, lazy and demanding people. ”Learned helplessness” as we call it
@@dudermcdude9245 me too. I agree with the negative income tax as an incentive to work. Who wants to work and risk losing section 8 housing, food stamps, health insurance, and other cash benefits? The negative income tax actually rewards working.
Is welfare a trap for middle class whites who get interest tax breaks, RE tax breaks, lower capital gains tax, SSI Payments, Unemplyment insurance. Etc etc All things that put money in their pockets!!
Government has never flat-out fixed any economic problem ever. It’s only with the help of private businesses that have been able to fund the government’s temporary solutions.
The entire 10 part series was available for purchase. I own a copy on DVD, and am happy to loan it to every 20 something willing to watch it. The old saying applies so much "the more things change, the more they stay the same". Friedman and Sowell were true visionaries!
Notice who is debating who in this exchange... Two renowned economists (One of which grew up in Harlem before the welfare state) sitting across from two government bureaucrats who refuse to take off the rose-colored glasses to see that their life's work in the bureaucracy has led to nothing but more poverty and suffering for the people they aim to help. I think it's a no-brainer who is right and who is wrong here. Welfare had incredibly detrimental effects on society even then.
To me it is so reminiscent of 1984 (the book) everything comes down to the party. Loyalty to the party. Lying to your children about your own guilt in favor of the party even when it has turned on you. Saying no young ones do not blame the party, not under any circumstances. So they are corrupt to the core.
The days of the pendulum swing back and forth for the two party Bourgeois gentlemans debate are over. Trump blew the neoliberals out of the Republican water and Sanders came close to doing the same thing to the Democrats. .
Because the left has eroded culture and society.. they have turned a society of respectful people in to a uncivilized immoral country so they dont have to try to defend the failure of their policies and uninformed people don't get a chance to hear different opinions other than the opinions of whacko leftist
Don't you know? Living in the age of information means everyone is an expert in their respective field.. People could admit they were wrong and were at least marginally teachable. Confirmation bias is why all this available knowledge doesn't evolve into wisdom. In my humble opinion, because of this we're regressing as a species. I hope I'm wrong. :(
I feel like I’ve raised my intelligence and intellectual awareness just by listening and understanding this conversation from some very astute individuals
And what to do when a marriage breaks down or a man gets a woman pregnant and does a runner? Bringing up a child alone is very hard and stressful. One of the reasons conservatives and free marketeers end up despised is because they lack compassion for people in difficult situations.
When the lady from Pennsylvania stated the illegitimacy rate of 12% so nonchalantly I had to clutch my invisible pearls! Brother Sowell was right from the beginning, the rate has skyrocketed in such a short amount of time. It's not to late we can fix this!
@@speaktruth9313 it's nonsensical I mean why would any goverment in earth ever want to DO that? Shouldn't the best and brightest get the most children and the less sucessfull people less so genetics can improve over time? Plus it's unhealthy for woman to have children before 25 biologicaly. I mean. Why would anyone want to encurage this?
@@catsaresocute650 Reminder that within two lifetimes post Louis XIV we had the French Revolution. Many a successful monarch is succeed by a far less competent one.
@@catsaresocute650 I recall looking up this exact issue (google is a thing people), to put it simply genetics is not as much as a factor as is assumed. From Our Oriental Heritage, published in 1935: “Why is it that great men so often have mediocrities for their offspring? Is it because the gamble of the genes that produced them-the commingling of ancestral traits and biological possibilities was but a chance, and could not be expected to recur? Or is it because the genius exhausts in thought and toil the force that might have gone to parentage, and leaves only his diluted blood to his heirs? Or is it that children decay under ease, and early good fortune deprives them of the stimulus to ambition and growth?”
When I heard that fatherless homes in the black community was over 75%, I have to admit I was shocked, the black family unit went from less than 20% to 75% in one and half generations. That is truly astounding. It seems Sowell was proven right by time, I sure hope the world sees this for what it is. Very rarely can we look back this early in time. This can be fixed.
We're not in a political or social environment to fix this, we are in the age of the victim mentality. I think we will look back 20/30 years from now and see this as a time were so much potential was wasted. We are reinforcing single mothers and self destructive behavior whether that being the welfare states policies rewarding not working and being a single mother or modern radical feminism demonizing young men and their non essential role in a household. What we need is men, real men, fathers to be specific and at the moment men are the enemy of society.
It’s amazing, I love the discussions displayed in the video and how people can disagree irregardless of race and not have name callings being thrown around. I discovered Thomas Sowell today and ended up learning of Milton right after. I’m not from the US so I’m not sure if that’s why I’ve never heard of these people or perhaps because I was never born in this era and have no background in economics 🤣. But I absolutely love this and so glad to see people are willing to discuss these topics of systems that plague us to ‘this day !
@@TubesForNoobs Good point! We often speak of evolution but devolution is often what we witness. The death of civility is something to which we should never get accustomed.
as a former welfare case worker, i’ve seen so many recipients refuse to look for work because their benefits would decrease if they had income from working.
Russian Bot that’s crazy idk how people can live off those assistances. They tried to do that to my friend that’s in college and welfare told her that she cannot go to college. And I told her that’s crazy man, and the reasons why they told her that because they don’t want her to better herself and stay on that system. It’s good to have help but not certain amount of years to be on that system, because you have certain people like that to be on that for 40 to 45 years and that’s insane and I am glad what Trump is is trying to take those benefits away I tells people that what if they take those benefits away from y’all guys? Then what are going too do
Wages haven't caught up with inflation. You can break your back working 2-3 jobs and still be relatively poor. I agree welfare keeps people dependent on others to take care of them, treating them like children. But the aforementioned problem needs fixing.
Leroy Green and the wages cannot keep up if migration both legal and illegal keep up as well as increase minimum wage which actually prices low skilled workers out of the market. With illegal immigration, they are willing to work for less because it’s better than what they had before and it drives down the cost of labor. As it relates to legal migration, you end up training foreign born individuals to take up jobs whether high level or low level positions, which companies, if they were desperate for workers, would simply increase the offered wages to attract more people to come work. But unfortunately, if you oppose minimum wage, migration and welfare ... you’re a racist, fortunately I’m black so I knew I wouldn’t be called a racist, instead I was called an Uncle Tom 😂🤣
I almost applied for a position I met a person already - working and glad I did not go through the process- I would been fired...the ignorance - not because ppl don't know - but the entitlement IS Disgusting! All that out weighs the ppl that really need it! - But there is a train coming soon of major change!
@Leroy Green The problem is that an arbitrary raise in wages will also exacerbate the situation. Now in all honesty, I take the Austrian approach to economics so hopefully I don't need to go into extravagant detail. The overall point is that arbitrary wage hikes do not solve the problem of the purchasing power of one's money when you have a government that increasingly engages in inflationary spending.
Single motherhood is only 19%. 42 years later and that has more then doubled as welfare has expanded. It was recognized as a problem then and is a pandemic now.
@David Black Yeah, it was too little too late. By then, the ball was rolling so fast, it couldn't be stopped. Single motherhood and absent fathers became too pervasive in the culture and normalized by that point.
The thing I like the most about this video is the respectful debate, no one interrupts, all listen, all get a chance to speak... this doesn’t happen anymore
Yeah same here..not sure where we get these types of discussions today....Maybe a lot has chnaged since this time but some good thinkers on this panel, regardless how everyone sees it....
I was 9 with this debate took place.. I find myself understanding a lot that takes place today because of what I'm watching concerning these particular debates of yesterday... And I am in no way shape or form privy to the inner workings of politics but from watching and reading anything Thomas sowell has to do with it is very educating and also startling seeing that the concerns of yesterday are a stark reality today....Dr. Sowell is a gem.
Absolutely true. In the Soviet Union, the collective farms where run like shit because no one cared. The people who were all forced to work there grew to taking whatever they could get away with for their personal households, again, because no one cared about what belongs to the government
My father was born into the great depression. He learned the lessons well taught by the almost unimaginable poverty. In the 60's, when I was quite young, he was teaching us about the pitfalls of allowing govt to have any control over our future. So many of his beliefs were considered conspiracy theories, now, they are simply history lessons. But, those lessons aren't taught in school and are buried by media.
I never leave nor will I ever leave other UA-cam comments. Not my style. But here we are; Milton and Thomas the miracle workers got me to do so. These men are my heroes. their words, further research and seeing how people in my community have fallen cripple switched me, not from left to right, rather from immigrant to American. I will fight for America with my vote for the rest of my life. Thank u Milton!
I'm so glad I was a "weird black kid" I watched Free to Choose McNeil Lara report Frontline and as many programs channel 13 in NY could offer. Thank you for posting it brought me back. This generation needs to get back to this. Research think and question folks.
Unfortunately I don't think civil debate exists any longer. Now a debate will devolve into name calling and unsubstantiated claims. I may hold an opinion and you the reverse but holding opposing views does not mean that anyone's opinions are wrong or evil. Listen to the other side. You may not change your opinion or you may but at least see and think about the other side
Very refreshing. Imagine a world where people don't take the worst possible interpretation of what someone says. When people can talk have disagreements and debate without being demonized called names put into categories and identity politics. Or people can debate based on the merits of their ideas, and not their privilege or gender or race. This is what we need now.
@@hristiyanhristov2480He gets paid to sing the song of an ever lasting Empire of American Imperialism. He talks of George Bush the honorable man not a spendthrift who wasted 5 trillion dollars on the bipartsan wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He said,"Vote Trump because he'd be easier to impeach." He just a two faction one bosses party economist. Doing his best to put out the needed propaganda to defend the bosses neoliberal disaster.
It's hard not to change your way of thinking when confronted with empirical data that has been carefully studied. It's evident that some people think with emotion and others rely on their brains to find ways forward. I'm still looking for a society that handles public funding with the same rigor that they use with their own funds. I'm grateful to Thomas Sowell for helping me to see past the emotional shrouds that cover so many of our problems. Yet, many resist his wisdom because it runs counter to what they have thought. He never asks anyone to accept his opinion but expects others to look at the data. They don't. After all why would they? They're not interested in anything that might change their minds on deeply held beliefs. As usual, the only arguments are noise. No solutions except more government funding. $1 trillion isn't enough, now if we had $2 trillion that would surely fix the problem! I think it's worth reading several of his books and then deciding what real evidence you have that would refute his ideas AND his data. On the other hand it's far easier to leave your brain in neutral and just shout out cliche statements. The fact is that people respond to incentives, yes everybody, it's a question of what are the actual incentives being experienced not what the program's intentions are. Most people want the same thing for those less fortunate than they, namely the opportunity for those people to advance and improve their own lives. I really believe all those involved in the discussion mean well. Facile statements that rely on emotional charge such as, Imperialist, Big business etc… serve only to divide and make it evident that your mind is closed to any other ideas. This hurts the value of discussion and makes it difficult to find solutions. In the end, I suspect that my First Principles are not yours. I believe in a society where the individuals are at liberty to decide for themselves. The old tired arguments just don't have any empirical evidence to back them up and after 60 years it should be obvious that another way is worth a try.
Both parts of this discussion is so true and still pervasive in society. I'm a product of the welfare system. My family would have been homeless without the government. Welfare was used for survival and not taken for granted. As a child I recognized the ill affects the government had on the black family. This film is 100% correct I agree with everything.....today I'm doing quite well without the government.
Sowell points it out many times in other videos that the black community following WW2 seen an economic and social boom. The majority of households had both a mother and father. In some points in history blacks were wedlock more than any other demographic in the country. That's how strong the family bond used to be. You can just look at videos here on UA-cam of the black community during the 40s and 50s and the culture was clearly different. Music played a major role in that. There was a time when households across the nation all had family members who played an instrument. The jazz clubs, cinema and a multitude of other institutions that were once cherished mysteriously disappeared. One could argue it was the rebellion of the 70s that brought about its destruction. It was around this time government built ghettos where starting to pop up around the country. Hindsight, it's obvious segregation of the time. Society may have moved on since Jim Crow but the ghetto is a stark reminder it still lingers over society.
How do you know Mr. Ward's family "would not have starved without the government"? That's terribly wrong and myopic. You'd do well to diversity your life experience and take some spelling and grammar classes while your passing judgement on, and imparting your vast wisdom to, others.
In 1978 my daughter was born. My partner of seven years left. I survived on some family help. I worked at a restaurant and ate my employee meal and ate cream of wheat for dinner, for 6 months. I accept help to get day care, nothing else. Fast forward my daughter is a graduate with a masters in Psychology, and very successful. She had every thing she needed and she worked hard.
Thank you for introducing me to Friedman and Sowell. People impacted by systems of structural racism are the ones who have the solutions. People are capable and able to make decisions that are positive and beneficial to their families and communities . We All Rise!
I've never heard such a civilized, intelligent and nimble discussion on a topic like this. Everyone is so quick to respond, well-spoken and well-informed. What has happened in the past fifty years???
Thomas Sowell had it all figured out decades ago and here we are fighting over the same issues with the same institutions in place. The welfare state in the single biggest hurdle placed in front of society. Which affects minorities even more. The destruction of the family is another major factor. Too many fathers are not in their childrens life and its the welfare state that encourages this. An able bodied male in the home is no good for the welfare state. You need to be a single mother with kids. A critical aspect of development of a child is a mother and a father in the home. It's above all else. It's so rewarding. Why wouldn't you not want to be in your flesh and bloods life?
It may help women not need the man sure. I wouldn't say that's what led to the destruction of the black household. What destroyed the black family is lack of well paying easy to get jobs like plentiful factory jobs. Now you need plenty of education, and unfortunately males struggle the most in our education system. Not even just black males. Yeah men get the most rewarding jobs and take the hardest majors making it seem like the opposite is true, but women dominate the knowledge field. Every corporate job I've had the same pattern has been true. Men are dominating the high paying positions, but for every support role in the office that are decent paying jobs I've seen majority women. And I mean every single corporate job I've had at medium, small, and large companies.
Gregory Eaton the reason why you need this level of education today and all these added requirements is because of minimum wage laws, it priced people out of the market who had no skill to even get a job. A man is better off making $5 an hour having had no education than a man who spent thousands to only end up making $10. Eventually a man with no education can build himself up with experience and I guarantee you, experience is so much more valuable than a degree these days.
It's all part of a grand agenda to usurp the human spirit. Hard work feels good. Hard work for yourself feels even better. Achieving something only makes you want to achieve something bigger. We eat adversity for breakfast and our proudest moment will be our children watching us dine at hells table then jog off the meal. We want to be able, not enabled. We don't want contentment, we want competence. Slavery? The fuck does that matter when you've got your own home, wife, kids and a livelihood you love to live for?
That’s how we got into this mess! This altruistic “I’m here to help you poor losers” mentality that incentivizes and bails out peoples bad behavior Let them fail. They’ll learn or die. That’s nature
@FBA Illegal Immigrant to White Supremacy Despite there being more whites on welfare than blacks the percentage of the population on it is greater among blacks than whites. It’s not difficult for 60 to win out over 13.
Correct about what? How neoliberal polices and capitalism have destroyed the working class family? That the bosses need to pay for the next generation just like they do for the elderly and disabled.
@@kimobrien. Yes, and welfare doesn't fix the problem. Instead it financially incentives people to trade pride for money and mothers to be single. What you speak of, would be best addressed by legislation and unions. Keep fostering unions, and fair pay legislation, so working is more attractive than being on welfare. We just have to fine tune the incentives for people, could've done that every 5 years. But now it's time for corpos to pay livable wages, thats the most appropriate solution.
@@PigeonLaughter01 The workers need to take control of industry and government away from the bosses with a labor party based in the trade unions. Abolition of private property. The property used to exploit others. Use government funds to put people to work building things we need. Retool the arms plants. Send workers and construction materials to the third world.
@@PigeonLaughter01 "welfare financially incentives people to trade pride for money and mothers to be single." That is such an unfathomably stupid take, it might be one of the dumbest I've ever heard. The fact that you think your thoughts on this matter are sensible and worth sharing, is in itself problematic.
Sowell is a national treasure. It's always great watching him and Friedman show the leftist 'intellectuals' how outmatched they were. So thankful my dad introduced me to this honest genius.
@@Ratty2480 He doesn't really make great arguments they have no substance at all whatsoever. he literally uses anecdotal evidence as proof to support his argument lmfao, he's good in terms of the second wave feminism debates but he should stay out of economic politics
@@vladimirremmirez7671 What arguments aren't substantive? And you do realize that your commenting on a video set along time ago and applying critique of it in today's terms
@@vladimirremmirez7671 ...if you believe subject that comes from Sowell it better be economics. He's an award winning economist and a student of Friedman, who is THE economist.
This is academia. Intellectuals can sit and discuss these broad subjects through critical thinking and debate without losing themselves into their emotions or pushing narrow-minded, backward thinking political agendas....the difference today is that political correctness may "cancel" you for having these debates.
This was absolutely wonderful to watch. This kind of sensible, straightforward, well-intentioned political discussion is a rarity in modern universities, and I learned so much watching this :)
Did you learn that the only thing that saved the bosses system of capitalism was the destruction of their world market competition Japan and Germany and the traitors to the working class of the Social Democrats and Stalinist leadership variety. American Imperialism is in natural decline now.
I simply love how respectful everyone was able to be towards one another, though they may be in opposition politically. I wish more people were able to have these types of discussions and debates while being calm, collected, articulate etc.
It’s won’t happen in these sensitive time. Everyone is offended and have become sheep listening to the media & politicians. Malcolm X said it super clear.
Indeed PBS, even NPR, Public Classical and Jazz radio have comfortably morphed from Public to Publicity (Fed and Local Gov) outlets, making sure we stay Sleepy Hollow and well programmed..
I love Thomas Sowell, I remember these talks on t.v. whenI was little. I had no idea what they were talking about , but I was learning how to speak English with my mama. Lol! I only understood certain words and took sides . I was always on the side of truth , because the only one using less complicated words and straight to the point was Mr.Sowell.
What i love about this documentary is the part when it comes to the debate it is such an eloquent and enlightening exchange without anyone yelling or degrading anyone because there's a difference in philosophical opinion.
I love how civil this discussion is...you can tell these people are also emotionally invested in what they believe and its refreshing to see how the conversation represents a diversity of thought as well as tolerance for the other side. Compare it to today and its clear that there has been a retrogression in public discourse that is hurting and hindering us.
The respect that each of the people in this conversation present to each other is wonderful. Where did this go? How did we end up where we are now? It's sad. And Sowell is a legend. Brilliant mind...
I was shocked by income tax after I got my first higher income job. In months I was laid off and immediately went homeless. Taxes made me homeless. I refused unemployment insurance and any sort of welfare. I didn't want help from government. I found little jobs. I scraped together money to start a business. 4 years later I'm doing very well. If the government would get out of our business, prices would come down and the escape from poverty would be substantially easier. It's only hard because the government makes it hard. Never get on welfare or accept any government help.
You refused unemployment insurance? Its like having a car accident and being proud to have refused your coverage! What nonsense. The whole point is to plan for temporary misfortune. Its not meant for life long help. Its good that you built things back up but every program isnt some scam.
@@thezu9250 there is a difference. I voluntarily choose to buy car insurance for myself. In my state only liability is needed for owned vehicles with no lines on a title. I have the choice to cover more than liability damages. Unemployment insurance is different in that it is forced at gunpoint to be bought. No options are available and so your employor is forced to buy. Your policy is never disclosed to you. This leaves the public ignorant. By claiming unemployment, I am pulling from a fund created by people whose labor was exploited by force. Essentially I'd be taking proceeds from a portion of someone else's labor without consent. By definition that's slavery. If I wanted unemployment insurance I should be allowed the choice to buy it for myself or not. It's a risk I should decide for myself in choosing if I should set aside some money for it. No person should be forced to buy it. Any time people are forced into anything, they feel entitled and incentivized to cheat the system and maximize returns beyond contractual agreements made by their own hand. This is the basis for corruption and government program failure. If people had the option to not have unemployment insurance, if someone did not want it, they could earn more $. Same principle applies to social security and Medicare. Many people would love to opt out, make substantially more money, and spend it how they decide to. Instead it's all stolen.
@@mahfeww No. That makes zero sense. Its an insurance policy. Everyone pitches in because a small percentage will actually need it. Its supposed to be a safety net. Thats how your car, health and home insurance works. You pay hoping you dont need it. But its still a crowd funded insurance plan. The average person gets way less out of those insurances than they pay. The reality is that employment insurance makes working people SAVE a portion of their pay in case of emergencies so they dont end up needing welfare. I see it as MY money coming back to me as I obviously dont plan to need it for long. So if I pay 10 years of it, and use it for 3 months. Then fine. But it also means that I am fortunate but my neighbor will have help. Them going into a state of despair means ill have to help them or be negatively impacted by them anyway. There will ALWAYS be opportunists. The AVERAGE person isnt gaming the system. The AVERAGE person isnt praying to lose their job which usually pays more than the bare minimum covered by unemployment insurance. So not sure how unemployment versus having a good job is a luxury.
@@thezu9250 there's a difference between force and voluntary choices. I do not subscribe to force. The logic isn't there. Force makes the assumption that all have the right to deserve an entitlement. Voluntary action is where all have the right to know and understand what they are getting into. I personally would choose to opt out of unemployment because I wish to accept the risk of not being paid if I am laid off. We all deserve the human right to choose owe do with our own bodies.
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“Nobody spends somebody else’s money as carefully as he spends his own. Nobody has the same dedication to achieving somebody else’s objectives that he displays when he pursues his own.” - Milton Friedman…. Truer words have never been spoken….
So you want to get rid of health care, social security, food stamps and every social program and leave the poor to starve to death? Milton Friedmans philosophy was tried out during the Great depression. President Hoover sat on his ass and did NOTHING when the Great depression started in 1929. The result was a disaster. It took FDR almost ten years and a war to fix the mess that was left to him by the GOP, but he was able to turn things around and make America into the greatest country in the world. The new deal was necessary to get us out of a national crises in the 1930`s.
@@Akira282 For Friedman and company markets are self regulating not under the control of the bosses using government to defend their profits above all else's. For Friedman's and Sowell capitalist marginalism to work markets must be ideal and the bosses must not be greedy and use their government to defend their naturally declining profit maximization system. Bosses like Friedman haven't got a clue. All they know and talk about is the love of money and gold. They've had the good life sitting on a perch paid for with the profits of the rent collecting bosses.
@@Akira282he’d call it out for the complete scam it has proven to be. The climate alarmists have reversed their position constantly for the last 50+ years, have not once been correct, and their solutions are always exactly the same- more taxes and government control.
It's so easy to say and come to the conclusion that Sowell and Friedman were right , but just think of them having to look at the demise of America particular the black communities as they knew it was going to happen. It's not just that they knew they were right, they actually cared enough to sound an alarm for the sake of the country. It wasn't just for show, it was substance.
It is so hurtful to hear as a conservative that you just want to see people suffer when you yourself hold the position that the socialist system itself is what is driving up the suffering and that you know by simply proposing what you are proposing as true you will be vilified. And yet we are still treated with incredulousness. There is no denying that without regulation we have seen businesses cause economic collapse through unconscionable lending programs. Lending to invest in the stock market had to be made illegal, then the housing bubble happened also because of things like no doc loans. It was a terrible taking advantage of the American public to see these banks be bailed out after intentionally lending money to people they knew likely wouldn't pay it back and then repossessing their homes after taking whatever wealth they could squeeze out of them. So there are problems without regulations on businesses, you can go too far right, but that doesn't mean that leftism doesn't also lead to collapse. It is apparent, and it shouldn't be impossible to fathom that both are not only possible but apparent in our history.
@@johnbaker7322 "Without regulation"? Please read Thomas Sowell's book "The Housing Boom and Bust" where the incentives through government policy and government regulations created the 2008 economic collapse. These include but are not limited to the Community Reinvestment Act and claims of racism based on statistics rather than the actual ability to pay back loans. The government also created agencies that would buy risky loans which obviously increases the likelihood of making the risky loans in the first place. Therefore, too much regulation and government involvement created the bulk of the collapse.
@@JJSchwartzJJSchwartz Sure according to Sowell the bosses are the victims of their own government and not their insatiable greed. Why should a bank own a house in the first place? Fact s the bosses were convinced they could make a killing in the housing market and became the victims of their own greed.
@@johnbaker7322 " 'Without regulation'? Please read Thomas Sowell's book "The Housing Boom and Bust" where the incentives through government policy and government regulations created the 2008 economic collapse. These include but are not limited to the Community Reinvestment Act and claims of racism based on statistics rather than the actual ability to pay back loans. The government also created agencies that would buy risky loans which obviously increases the likelihood of making the risky loans in the first place. Therefore, too much regulation and government involvement created the bulk of the collapse."
Yes, and God bless her hard working Father who refused to become a part of the system! Dear God, help this child who is loved by her Mother and Father.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏✝️✝️✝️💕
I vaguely remember my dad telling me all of this when I was growing up. The State of New York was paying 600$ a month per child out of wedlock and there were women who would go out and get four of them so they wouldn’t need a job. It didn’t matter that the four kids grew up in squalor.
They still do it done whites too once you know what you can get you use it- food stamps go up per child then sell some get cash buy DOPE I know a chick- my coworker we made 12 $ hr she got food stamps I said how you get that she said cuz I got 3 kids and a husband who won't work- leads to look all the black women who work leave baby st home with boyfriend who ends up killing that baby sad
The problem with any government program is if it isn't working it takes forever to get rid of that program. Only the government will continuously lose money on a losing program.
When I was a teenager, the CETA summer jobs for high school kids were a God send. It probably kept me out out of trouble because I was able to buy school cloths for the year because of that job.
The CETA program was excellent. A very successful plumber I talked to said without that program, where he learned the trade, he didn't know what would have happened to him.
Amazing my brother. I'm glad to see a popular black cultural channel promote what our people have been talking about in barber shops, churches and family reunions for years. That is to say, how inefficient the government is with our money, or as most of us would say, "how inefficient the man is..."
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This was filmed in 1978. It is now 45 years later. Look at how society has declined. Its shocking. Dr. Sowell has been speaking the truth for all this time. The man is a national treasure.
yup
But people still blame it on capitalism, real socialism has never been tried....
@@lisettem1009 It has. It failed. It led to communism and destruction, misery and death. It doesn't work. Go read Atlas Shrugged.
@@lisettem1009 always the same "real socialism". Maybe because it is impossible. It will always fail. As it starts to fail, the damned "politic" in charge will say he needs more power and will, eventually - or should I say "will, as conseqyence" - become a dictator as ANYWHERE IT WAS TRIED.
Captalism believees in the price system created by the people naturally, without the need for intervention of humans.
The price system is the product of people trading for what they need.
Socialism will ALWAYS derive to dictatorship. Because it depends on the good will of people. And People will ALWAYS choose the easier way, just like electricity or water will "unconciously choose" the path with less resistance. We, as living beings, are the same. Nobody wants to work.
Captalism make people WANT TO WORK. Because for every weight you put on something, you see some result without depending on people. You need people for the interactions and it's not perfect. But the less people deciding, the better
@@lisettem1009 Curious - What is Real Socialism specifically?
Can you imagine a debate like this taking place today? No identity attacks, no name-calling - how far we've fallen.
I was thinking how "civil" these conversations were, considering the number of people on the panel, and how the panel spent more time listening than "yelling".
This isn't Jerry Springer! Thank goodness. You're right! How far we've fallen.
Gutter.
I'm not sure we watched the same debate. They were definitely attacking each other. Maybe it was too subtle for you
@@Smoomty they attached each other's ideas & rhetoric. That's at the very least a productive action. Nowadays many debates & discussions resort to attacks based on identity as they don't know how to combat their ideas. They just know they don't like them.
It's like Mel Brooks said at 92," I couldn't make Blazing Saddles today".
Amazing how much more respectful and respectable people conducted themselves then.
No mainstream rap music. Three TV channels for most. No cellphones (therefore no smartphones). No personal computers. No internet.
A more structured society. Hollywood entertainment hadn’t yet degraded to constant swearing and toilet humor. College degrees actually meant something. Less outside distractions. More down to earth city officials and politicians. More purpose in life. No excessive entertainment like playing video games or streaming hundreds of movies/shows.
Etiquette was still understood by people. Kids were more encouraged to write in cursive. More people read books. More people could research on their own (rather than take the easy way out like web searching). More people understood the threat of nuclear bombs from the ensuing Cold War.
When people knew how to disagree without being disagreeable.
I also thought the sane way after watching this discussion or debate. I to felt the same way and said back then we were able to have different opinions and encouraged those who had different opinions. Why is it different today? There's more than one reason, but I think one main reason is we were more educated bavk then , than we are today. We embraced being unique and encouraged independent thinking.
This is the thing that stands out to me the most. Respectable people, showing respect to others, which makes them respectable . Its a beautiful cycle. Great thoughts here.
THIS is the type of information we should be learning in school!!!!
Yes
Thomas Sowel should've been the first black president in America and not because of his race but of his knowledge and wisdom..
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America still has never had a Black president
@antwinettec cardi b is s latina, she aint black
@@YouGotOptions2 lol
@@YouGotOptions2 "Latina" means that she comes from Latin America
Thomas Sowell is still a magnificent man. He’s 90 and sharp as a tack.
It's why i came here because i started a Thomas Sowell binge at 3am😆..basically got a video on what socialism looked like back then..then came the debate!..i was in debate class but was in the back or didnt show up..now im taking notes on what to say to mf's who wanna try me..but nah im just educating myself and im tired of the people on facebook ha..felt like i was on crazy pills
I would like to hear Mr. Sowell response to the protest at the Capital building yesterday, how the news responded, etc.
@@NegritaBrujita
Me too. There’s so many problems with the ‘protest’ and the fallout. It’s hard to defend- and hard to turn your back on- knowing what is happening in the the last year specifically and the last 30?+ years in general. We’ve arrived at a bad place no matter what side of the aisle you prefer.
Friedman's works are must-reads.
As for Sowell, he writes very well also. Clear, concise, and consistent. No moral relativism in HIS makeup. Always hits the mark in talks and articles. I haven't caught anything recently, but I always read his articles on Townhall.com. I've got two of his books. Lucid, relevant, and timeless.
@@sgt1terrence I'm assuming that the people who are debating you are in favor of socialism?!
Public debates on sensitive topics, discussed by level head, logical and well educated individuals needs to make a comeback in American society
Cancel culture. Know what your young people are up to.
Well said!
Can you imagine AOC in a debate like this?
@@kayvanepps8297 That cracks me up to think about! "Where is she?" LOL
@@abcjerilee I'd pay to see it, lol...
Watching Tom Sowell in a debate makes me proud to be an American.
Same.
I enjoyed watching them engaged with each other in a civil, honest, intellectual, and respectable manner in spite of their differences...wish we had more of that today.
Agree!
@Top Gun you'd be surprised. The problem is the effort has to be made. If you make a point of having an honest, thoughtful, civil discussion, you'll find it's not that hard.
The problem is too often we don't WANT that discussion. We want the snapback clapback mic drop moment. It's entertaining and satisfying, but much like a bag of cheap snacks, not very fulfilling. Nor is it productive to finding that proper balance between tradeoffs
@Top Gun you can make the effort, though, it's not like your an automaton, programmed to act a certain way. It's not easy, but it is possible if you put in the effort = )
We can, but we all need to tone it down a notch and listen first and react calmly.
@Top Gun Yeah it has.
Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell in the same room. Made my day.
It's hard not to feel that society has become less intelligent and able to have discussions like these.
Honest discussion is not allowed in Leftist America.
@Nicolas Frank No we are not.
@Nicolas Frank It's not a dictatorship. And the supreme court just recently become more "Republican". If you go by the society, the norm is leftist america. Turn on any tv, watch any movie,.. it's all pro leftist and anti- conservative. Leftists control most of the internet and media. There's a reason it's called FAKE NEWS.
@Nicolas Frank as a Democrat I can tell you I'm disgusted in what we have become In Americans. We are no longer a country that has honest discussions because WE the left have made it more important to put people's feeling above facts. And truth is more hurtful even in a normal conversation. We did this.
@@mikemartins3297 see this is the problem right here. Instead of blaming the left for this or the right for that WE as in everybody need to realize both side have been stirring the pot, and the more we go back forth trying to throw blame on each other the more we get divided and nothing really changes. I'll leave with this, there is no such thing as a left or right america(usonia) especially with corporate bribes going on behind closed doors. Why else you think clark kent and superman don't shake hands man.
Freidman and Sowell in the same room is unstoppable.
Yes. so make sure to vote Trump 2024
AMEN
Can you imagine the outcry if this aired on national TV today?
Here’s some outcry:
Something about this video Friedman made was, on an optical level, subtly prejudice towards black people in the way it married welfare in the US largely with black people, where white people are the largest group receiving it in the US. He showcased the UK system with whites because it closely related to the inner city systems he showed in the US that are historically black. And that’s where his argument can be made and ONLY made, in my opinion because his biggest critique of it is it keeps people from making a living and climbing this latter of “upward mobility” and “trickle down” economics given to us by a free market with readily available jobs .
If he takes his argument to rural areas where there is no infrastructure for work as it is in the city, large groups of white people like in West Virginia, who literally live in crumbling housing in some parts and just collect welfare, his argument reveals itself to be a huge subjective straw man and kind of fizzles out.
What’s his solution then? The negative income tax?
@@CapnBuzz People are resourceful, they'll figure out a way to survive. Why are they sitting around in an area where there is nothing to do?
@@CapnBuzz if he didn’t obsess over American black people in the situation then no one would have cared. It’s during the era of the civil rights movement
@@SidekickSam24 fear and complacency?
yes it would go something like "nazi, anti semitic, racist, fascist, ultra far right hate propaganda"
If we ever find the elixir of immortality, I suggest we give it to Thomas Sowell.
He already has it
And Milton Friedman
Correct
@@dericksuapaia is too late for that :(
YES!!!!!
I LOVE HOW THIS IS ACTUALLY A DEBATE BUT MORE FACTUAL THAN EMOTIONAL. MODERN DAY DEBATES ARE NOT SUCH.
I hate modern day "debates". People try to win them instead of trying to learn from them.
* cough * Trump-Biden debate
"You're a racist!"
"Your son's a junkie!"
What happened...
why are you yelling
@@Omar_Facio passion my friend...pure passion. Love this
Agreed. I'd submit the reason, which you may already be aware of, is simply this : this civil discourse isn't as interesting to the minds of a modern audience (generally speaking). One may call it boring. On the other hand, emotionally driven opinions and debates seem to catch the attention of the modern day viewer more easily. The sensationalism, the drama, is far more craved to satisfy a viewing appetite, than the metaphorical "meat and potatoes" presented in the video, even though the older debate has far more substance, civility, patience, and intellect within it.
Thomas Sowell is a total bad ass. His insight and absolute honesty, combined with his intelligence and logic is extremely difficult to argue with. I love him. I wish guys like him ran our country.
Now wouldn't that be nice for a change? 😉
So well constantly says I've talked to people who say ...... Just disregard whatever hey says next because he's lying.
I Agree!
But they don't because it's easier to judge on the sidelines with hindsight. Actually running a country requires different skills.
He's not honest. He dances around racism and discrimination by talking about China and certain people think he's a genuis. He's a mascot for conservative talking points.
My mother never worked she’s been on welfare for 60 years I start working wen my oldest went to school I’m 36 a nurse an been working the last 15 years my son 19 an he’s a welder an my youngest 10 honor roll student I’m jus saying I changed the cycle I never seen my mother work but my sons seen both of there parents work
wow. i've always thought that being dependent on welfare too long makes a person lose ambition to do more with their life. i'm glad you had motivation to move ahead and be the example that your children need to see.
I was just telling my younger cousin about breaking cycles.
My respect to you 👏🏻
You're awesome. I assume you already know that.
Bless you and your family I wish your future generations the prosperity you deserve
This is education. Thank you reelblack for this. Peace and love ✊🏾
I loved it.
I agree
*_John 3.16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”_*
_Jesus Christ loves you. Repent and be saved. Only Jesus Christ saves. God bless you, and the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you and your family.._
Yes, the part where capitalism fails which created the welfare system to begin with. The rich and the politicians have no idea what they are doing. They literally just ruined the economy because they didn't want to pay higher wages and workers were revolting. Jerome Powell is an idiot.
Thomas sowell should be on the twenty dollar bill
Should’ve been president
A fitty dollar note
No doubt!
@@Perfectpearl Still can be
$100 bill!
"You mean separate the hopes from the reality ..."
Intellectual brutality. Nothing gets past this man. Nothing.
Sowell has some good zingers, if that's how you like to make national policy decisions.
@msimmons3877 Neo liberal capitalist policies have only furthered the break up of working class families of all colors. Clinton "Ended Welfare as Welfare Know It." Capitalism with it boom and bust cycles along with the search for cheaper labor breaks up workers families. Join a union and fight back. .
@@AdamDeRidderA nice ambiguous statement.
@@AdamDeRidderhe didn’t say that’s how he’d like to. He didn’t even imply it. He referred to Sowell’s critique.
Zingers?
This discussion was very satisfying. Black middle class and working class people for years have been saying what Dr. Sowell and Dr. Friedman have been saying: Welfare is a trap. My parents always said that and insisted that we work hard. I am in my forties and could not be more thankful for my parents instilling that in me and my siblings. You become harder working and responsible when you are spending your money versus someone else’s. Also, you have more self respect when you earn your check. This is an inconvenient truth that needs to be replayed over and over again. I thoroughly enjoyed this and will watch again. Thanks ReelBlack!
As a native swede, 60 years old, I have seen what the welfaresystem people does with people. It creates bitter, lazy and demanding people. ”Learned helplessness” as we call it
Sowell , Friedman ...tell it like it is. I wish the Feds would have let them implement their beliefs and programs.
@@dudermcdude9245 me too. I agree with the negative income tax as an incentive to work. Who wants to work and risk losing section 8 housing, food stamps, health insurance, and other cash benefits? The negative income tax actually rewards working.
Some people don’t seem to like freedom because it puts responsibility on them.
Is welfare a trap for middle class whites who get interest tax breaks, RE tax breaks, lower capital gains tax, SSI Payments, Unemplyment insurance. Etc etc
All things that put money in their pockets!!
Its crazy how 50yrs later we are discussing and having the same issues so obviously this still is not working when gov is involved
There's no solution that the government can provide
"government spending is out of control" Milton Friedman circa 1970. 33.5 trillion debt later....
Government has never flat-out fixed any economic problem ever. It’s only with the help of private businesses that have been able to fund the government’s temporary solutions.
@@winser21 I would say just simply our pockets, not even businesses. We have paid for every bail out and every welfare check.
The entire 10 part series was available for purchase. I own a copy on DVD, and am happy to loan it to every 20 something willing to watch it. The old saying applies so much "the more things change, the more they stay the same". Friedman and Sowell were true visionaries!
Notice who is debating who in this exchange... Two renowned economists (One of which grew up in Harlem before the welfare state) sitting across from two government bureaucrats who refuse to take off the rose-colored glasses to see that their life's work in the bureaucracy has led to nothing but more poverty and suffering for the people they aim to help.
I think it's a no-brainer who is right and who is wrong here. Welfare had incredibly detrimental effects on society even then.
To me it is so reminiscent of 1984 (the book) everything comes down to the party. Loyalty to the party. Lying to your children about your own guilt in favor of the party even when it has turned on you. Saying no young ones do not blame the party, not under any circumstances. So they are corrupt to the core.
Wearing rose colored glasses makes all the red flags just look like flags
It's not their fault, you haven't seen the kind of literature they've to feed to become bureaucrats.
The “even then” wasn’t that long ago. It’s almost today and directly has given us... today.
Welfare is just scraps falling from the capitalists table.
Milton Friedman and Sowell engaging is simply one of the best discourses you will ever see. Why don’t we have this anymore?
Ironically, a big part of it is the welfare state.
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The days of the pendulum swing back and forth for the two party Bourgeois gentlemans debate are over. Trump blew the neoliberals out of the Republican water and Sanders came close to doing the same thing to the Democrats. .
Because the left has eroded culture and society.. they have turned a society of respectful people in to a uncivilized immoral country so they dont have to try to defend the failure of their policies and uninformed people don't get a chance to hear different opinions other than the opinions of whacko leftist
Sometimes I watch this video to just feel better because it shows that you can express varying opinions in a civil manner. It’s calming.
It's not calming it's disturbing!
Incivility is a tool for those who have an agenda that benefits from incivility.
Don't you know? Living in the age of information means everyone is an expert in their respective field.. People could admit they were wrong and were at least marginally teachable. Confirmation bias is why all this available knowledge doesn't evolve into wisdom. In my humble opinion, because of this we're regressing as a species. I hope I'm wrong. :(
@@rijndertdoting8667 You're disturbing.
No you don't
I feel like I’ve raised my intelligence and intellectual awareness just by listening and understanding this conversation from some very astute individuals
Me too! 👍🏽♥️
How great is it to see people sit down and debate concerns in a respectable and intelligent way.
A breath of fresh air. A smart, civil, calm, intellectual conversation regarding a crucial topic. Sweet Savor!
Woman: I’m not making them have illegitimate children!
Sowell: you don’t have to make them you simply subsidize it.
This kills me every time
So good
Make love not war!
Thing of beauty!
And what to do when a marriage breaks down or a man gets a woman pregnant and does a runner? Bringing up a child alone is very hard and stressful. One of the reasons conservatives and free marketeers end up despised is because they lack compassion for people in difficult situations.
@@philipmanchester5095 Victim?
Thomas Sowell 101 should be a required undergraduate course.
Thomas Sowell should be required reading for students from 6th grade through Masters degree !.....PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION !
Kindergarten, sesame street,
The leftist colleges will never let that happen, but most make it required to read Saul Alinsky. That should tell you all you need to know.
When the lady from Pennsylvania stated the illegitimacy rate of 12% so nonchalantly I had to clutch my invisible pearls! Brother Sowell was right from the beginning, the rate has skyrocketed in such a short amount of time. It's not to late we can fix this!
Tisha Jackson the girls get $$ ,etc etc etc ..to have babies..
@@speaktruth9313 it's nonsensical I mean why would any goverment in earth ever want to DO that? Shouldn't the best and brightest get the most children and the less sucessfull people less so genetics can improve over time? Plus it's unhealthy for woman to have children before 25 biologicaly. I mean. Why would anyone want to encurage this?
@@catsaresocute650 Reminder that within two lifetimes post Louis XIV we had the French Revolution. Many a successful monarch is succeed by a far less competent one.
@@artofthepossible7329 I refuse to belive that they would do so on perpuse just to be smarter. That is too naccistic to be comprehensible.
@@catsaresocute650 I recall looking up this exact issue (google is a thing people), to put it simply genetics is not as much as a factor as is assumed.
From Our Oriental Heritage, published in 1935: “Why is it that great men so often have mediocrities for their offspring? Is it because the gamble of the genes that produced them-the commingling of ancestral traits and biological possibilities was but a chance, and could not be expected to recur? Or is it because the genius exhausts in thought and toil the force that might have gone to parentage, and leaves only his diluted blood to his heirs? Or is it that children decay under ease, and early good fortune deprives them of the stimulus to ambition and growth?”
I like that these episodes are full and not chopped into 100 scattered videos. Thank you.
When I heard that fatherless homes in the black community was over 75%, I have to admit I was shocked, the black family unit went from less than 20% to 75% in one and half generations. That is truly astounding. It seems Sowell was proven right by time, I sure hope the world sees this for what it is. Very rarely can we look back this early in time. This can be fixed.
We're not in a political or social environment to fix this, we are in the age of the victim mentality. I think we will look back 20/30 years from now and see this as a time were so much potential was wasted. We are reinforcing single mothers and self destructive behavior whether that being the welfare states policies rewarding not working and being a single mother or modern radical feminism demonizing young men and their non essential role in a household. What we need is men, real men, fathers to be specific and at the moment men are the enemy of society.
Dragonaut111
The damn Dems want a permanent underclass! They have no ideas without them!
Elder Millennial and the republicans want a slave class working 2 jobs til they are dead
Sounds like deuteronomy 28 to me 🤷🏾♂️💭
Jacob Holley
The Unions no longer believe that, so Why TF do you???
This is one of the best UA-cam channels around. The comments are as interesting and dynamic as the content you post. Thank you Reelblack!
Something beautiful u are! JS
The best indeed
It’s amazing, I love the discussions displayed in the video and how people can disagree irregardless of race and not have name callings being thrown around. I discovered Thomas Sowell today and ended up learning of Milton right after. I’m not from the US so I’m not sure if that’s why I’ve never heard of these people or perhaps because I was never born in this era and have no background in economics 🤣. But I absolutely love this and so glad to see people are willing to discuss these topics of systems that plague us to ‘this day !
@@TubesForNoobs Good point! We often speak of evolution but devolution is often what we witness. The death of civility is something to which we should never get accustomed.
I see some disagreements in the comments, but i havent seen any disrespect. Too bad it cant happen everywhere else.
as a former welfare case worker, i’ve seen so many recipients refuse to look for work because their benefits would decrease if they had income from working.
Russian Bot that’s crazy idk how people can live off those assistances. They tried to do that to my friend that’s in college and welfare told her that she cannot go to college. And I told her that’s crazy man, and the reasons why they told her that because they don’t want her to better herself and stay on that system. It’s good to have help but not certain amount of years to be on that system, because you have certain people like that to be on that for 40 to 45 years and that’s insane and I am glad what Trump is is trying to
take those benefits away I tells people that what if they take those benefits away from y’all guys? Then what are going too do
Wages haven't caught up with inflation. You can break your back working 2-3 jobs and still be relatively poor.
I agree welfare keeps people dependent on others to take care of them, treating them like children. But the aforementioned problem needs fixing.
Leroy Green and the wages cannot keep up if migration both legal and illegal keep up as well as increase minimum wage which actually prices low skilled workers out of the market. With illegal immigration, they are willing to work for less because it’s better than what they had before and it drives down the cost of labor. As it relates to legal migration, you end up training foreign born individuals to take up jobs whether high level or low level positions, which companies, if they were desperate for workers, would simply increase the offered wages to attract more people to come work. But unfortunately, if you oppose minimum wage, migration and welfare ... you’re a racist, fortunately I’m black so I knew I wouldn’t be called a racist, instead I was called an Uncle Tom 😂🤣
I almost applied for a position I met a person already - working and glad I did not go through the process- I would been fired...the ignorance - not because ppl don't know - but the entitlement IS Disgusting! All that out weighs the ppl that really need it! - But there is a train coming soon of major change!
@Leroy Green The problem is that an arbitrary raise in wages will also exacerbate the situation. Now in all honesty, I take the Austrian approach to economics so hopefully I don't need to go into extravagant detail.
The overall point is that arbitrary wage hikes do not solve the problem of the purchasing power of one's money when you have a government that increasingly engages in inflationary spending.
This should be rebroadcast today on every channel.
Dr Thomas Sowell a brilliant man.
Single motherhood is only 19%. 42 years later and that has more then doubled as welfare has expanded. It was recognized as a problem then and is a pandemic now.
@David Black Yeah, it was too little too late. By then, the ball was rolling so fast, it couldn't be stopped. Single motherhood and absent fathers became too pervasive in the culture and normalized by that point.
It's called ssdi, social security disability income.
@@Justcausedeesnuts basically means's Get Fat. 🤔
The thing I like the most about this video is the respectful debate, no one interrupts, all listen, all get a chance to speak... this doesn’t happen anymore
Yeah same here..not sure where we get these types of discussions today....Maybe a lot has chnaged since this time but some good thinkers on this panel, regardless how everyone sees it....
Jerry Springer Nation.
I was 9 with this debate took place.. I find myself understanding a lot that takes place today because of what I'm watching concerning these particular debates of yesterday... And I am in no way shape or form privy to the inner workings of politics but from watching and reading anything Thomas sowell has to do with it is very educating and also startling seeing that the concerns of yesterday are a stark reality today....Dr. Sowell is a gem.
It’s 2020 and the proof is in : Friedman and Sowell are right . As a career social worker ( since 1985) , I completely agree with Friedman and Sowell
Then why did you do that job for so long.
You're a smart women.
@@rickydee5863 it’s a good job - a great one . I am independent now and have been foe quite a few years . Went the clinical route . Private practice .
@@rickydee5863 people need to put food on the table
@@nancybaumgartner6774 thanks for your reply .
Thomas Sowell what an American and world treasure. I’ve read many of his books. Much love to him and let’s treasure his wisdom. 💯💯🙏🏾🙏🏾
❤him
@@allergictostupidpeople7893 Sowell is just a capitalist mouthpiece working for the bosses and telling their side of the story.
Makes so much sense. People who lack ownership take less care of their shit.
Plato expressed this exact thing in The Republic. And yet we as humans still have not learned that lesson.
By design. Not coincidental, at all.
Absolutely true. In the Soviet Union, the collective farms where run like shit because no one cared. The people who were all forced to work there grew to taking whatever they could get away with for their personal households, again, because no one cared about what belongs to the government
What is owned by all is cared for by none. As certain as death and taxes.
It's more complicated that that.
My father was born into the great depression. He learned the lessons well taught by the almost unimaginable poverty.
In the 60's, when I was quite young, he was teaching us about the pitfalls of allowing govt to have any control over our future.
So many of his beliefs were considered conspiracy theories, now, they are simply history lessons. But, those lessons aren't taught in school and are buried by media.
I never leave nor will I ever leave other UA-cam comments. Not my style. But here we are; Milton and Thomas the miracle workers got me to do so. These men are my heroes. their words, further research and seeing how people in my community have fallen cripple switched me, not from left to right, rather from immigrant to American. I will fight for America with my vote for the rest of my life. Thank u Milton!
I'm so glad I was a "weird black kid" I watched Free to Choose McNeil Lara report Frontline and as many programs channel 13 in NY could offer.
Thank you for posting it brought me back. This generation needs to get back to this.
Research think and question folks.
Weird black kids end up being some of the coolest adults you’ll ever meet.
@@nonyabidness5454 like it is sometimes ran into Robotech and the hour of power/Dr Price yeah I was eclectic.... still am.
@Nonya Bidness u took me back with the toni brown nod. oooo lawdi.
Unfortunately I don't think civil debate exists any longer. Now a debate will devolve into name calling and unsubstantiated claims. I may hold an opinion and you the reverse but holding opposing views does not mean that anyone's opinions are wrong or evil. Listen to the other side. You may not change your opinion or you may but at least see and think about the other side
You are by no means weird.
Very refreshing. Imagine a world where people don't take the worst possible interpretation of what someone says. When people can talk have disagreements and debate without being demonized called names put into categories and identity politics. Or people can debate based on the merits of their ideas, and not their privilege or gender or race. This is what we need now.
And how!
Thomas Sowell is over 90 yrs old now, but still arguably top intellectual of the modern era.
He is a mouthpiece for US big business at Stanford University Hoover Instition.
Of course, hammer and a sickle. @@kimobrien.
@@hristiyanhristov2480He gets paid to sing the song of an ever lasting Empire of American Imperialism. He talks of George Bush the honorable man not a spendthrift who wasted 5 trillion dollars on the bipartsan wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He said,"Vote Trump because he'd be easier to impeach." He just a two faction one bosses party economist. Doing his best to put out the needed propaganda to defend the bosses neoliberal disaster.
It's hard not to change your way of thinking when confronted with empirical data that has been carefully studied. It's evident that some people think with emotion and others rely on their brains to find ways forward. I'm still looking for a society that handles public funding with the same rigor that they use with their own funds. I'm grateful to Thomas Sowell for helping me to see past the emotional shrouds that cover so many of our problems. Yet, many resist his wisdom because it runs counter to what they have thought. He never asks anyone to accept his opinion but expects others to look at the data. They don't. After all why would they? They're not interested in anything that might change their minds on deeply held beliefs. As usual, the only arguments are noise. No solutions except more government funding. $1 trillion isn't enough, now if we had $2 trillion that would surely fix the problem! I think it's worth reading several of his books and then deciding what real evidence you have that would refute his ideas AND his data. On the other hand it's far easier to leave your brain in neutral and just shout out cliche statements. The fact is that people respond to incentives, yes everybody, it's a question of what are the actual incentives being experienced not what the program's intentions are. Most people want the same thing for those less fortunate than they, namely the opportunity for those people to advance and improve their own lives. I really believe all those involved in the discussion mean well. Facile statements that rely on emotional charge such as, Imperialist, Big business etc… serve only to divide and make it evident that your mind is closed to any other ideas. This hurts the value of discussion and makes it difficult to find solutions. In the end, I suspect that my First Principles are not yours. I believe in a society where the individuals are at liberty to decide for themselves. The old tired arguments just don't have any empirical evidence to back them up and after 60 years it should be obvious that another way is worth a try.
Both parts of this discussion is so true and still pervasive in society. I'm a product of the welfare system. My family would have been homeless without the government. Welfare was used for survival and not taken for granted. As a child I recognized the ill affects the government had on the black family. This film is 100% correct I agree with everything.....today I'm doing quite well without the government.
Sowell points it out many times in other videos that the black community following WW2 seen an economic and social boom. The majority of households had both a mother and father. In some points in history blacks were wedlock more than any other demographic in the country. That's how strong the family bond used to be. You can just look at videos here on UA-cam of the black community during the 40s and 50s and the culture was clearly different. Music played a major role in that. There was a time when households across the nation all had family members who played an instrument. The jazz clubs, cinema and a multitude of other institutions that were once cherished mysteriously disappeared. One could argue it was the rebellion of the 70s that brought about its destruction. It was around this time government built ghettos where starting to pop up around the country. Hindsight, it's obvious segregation of the time. Society may have moved on since Jim Crow but the ghetto is a stark reminder it still lingers over society.
Ure parents would not have starved without the government. U believe ure parents are incompetent or dumb?
@@QueenofBluntTruth
U R Dum cAusE yoU No SPELL goOOD!!!
How do you know Mr. Ward's family "would not have starved without the government"? That's terribly wrong and myopic. You'd do well to diversity your life experience and take some spelling and grammar classes while your passing judgement on, and imparting your vast wisdom to, others.
@@jenniferwilcox9759 my comment was to make a point. I certainly don't need more schooling at this stage in my life.
Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and Dr. Walter E. Williams..... brilliant men so far ahead of their time.
These are the fools who created the neoliberal policies of Reagan, Clinton, and Bush. Thank them for the crisis of 2008.
In 1978 my daughter was born. My partner of seven years left. I survived on some family help. I worked at a restaurant and ate my employee meal and ate cream of wheat for dinner, for 6 months. I accept help to get day care, nothing else. Fast forward my daughter is a graduate with a masters in Psychology, and very successful. She had every thing she needed and she worked hard.
Hallelujah!!!!!!!!
Congrats, your a wonderful example for your daughter!
@@kimmylive2127 thank you
Think about how much better off she would have been if you didn't accept the daycare or skive off your family and employers
20:56 ...Very cool shot that.
Thank you for introducing me to Friedman and Sowell. People impacted by systems of structural racism are the ones who have the solutions. People are capable and able to make decisions that are positive and beneficial to their families and communities . We All Rise!
Notice how thin everyone was back then too.
GOOD CATCH !
There wasn’t fast food joints on every block and junk food machines in public places. We actually ate nutritious food at home.
@@sassygrammy1258 ITS ONLY BAD PARENTS THAT LET THEIR CHILDREN EAT THAT JUNK !!
Corn syrup was not yet our primary sweeter here in the great states until the early 80s
@@ThePyrorocker Actually it started in the 70’s because for the high cost of sugar.
I've never heard such a civilized, intelligent and nimble discussion on a topic like this. Everyone is so quick to respond, well-spoken and well-informed. What has happened in the past fifty years???
Dumbing down of American entertainment and education happened.
Thomas Sowell had it all figured out decades ago and here we are fighting over the same issues with the same institutions in place. The welfare state in the single biggest hurdle placed in front of society. Which affects minorities even more. The destruction of the family is another major factor. Too many fathers are not in their childrens life and its the welfare state that encourages this. An able bodied male in the home is no good for the welfare state. You need to be a single mother with kids. A critical aspect of development of a child is a mother and a father in the home. It's above all else. It's so rewarding. Why wouldn't you not want to be in your flesh and bloods life?
It may help women not need the man sure. I wouldn't say that's what led to the destruction of the black household. What destroyed the black family is lack of well paying easy to get jobs like plentiful factory jobs. Now you need plenty of education, and unfortunately males struggle the most in our education system. Not even just black males. Yeah men get the most rewarding jobs and take the hardest majors making it seem like the opposite is true, but women dominate the knowledge field. Every corporate job I've had the same pattern has been true. Men are dominating the high paying positions, but for every support role in the office that are decent paying jobs I've seen majority women. And I mean every single corporate job I've had at medium, small, and large companies.
Killa Watt Thomas Sowell is a clown who supported racist Reagan(dare you to deny Reagan was a racist piece of shit) MLK had it all figured out
Chris Russell you’re a liar.
Gregory Eaton the reason why you need this level of education today and all these added requirements is because of minimum wage laws, it priced people out of the market who had no skill to even get a job. A man is better off making $5 an hour having had no education than a man who spent thousands to only end up making $10. Eventually a man with no education can build himself up with experience and I guarantee you, experience is so much more valuable than a degree these days.
It's all part of a grand agenda to usurp the human spirit. Hard work feels good. Hard work for yourself feels even better. Achieving something only makes you want to achieve something bigger. We eat adversity for breakfast and our proudest moment will be our children watching us dine at hells table then jog off the meal.
We want to be able, not enabled. We don't want contentment, we want competence.
Slavery? The fuck does that matter when you've got your own home, wife, kids and a livelihood you love to live for?
One thing I appreciate about Friedman is his respect and compassion for the poor and those on welfare.
That’s how we got into this mess! This altruistic “I’m here to help you poor losers” mentality that incentivizes and bails out peoples bad behavior
Let them fail. They’ll learn or die. That’s nature
The Beauty And Power Of Dialogue. Imagine How Easy Life Could Be If We Could Be Open To Having Healthy Dialogue.
Anyone who views this and doesn’t go away loving Thomas Sowell is insane! His confidence is amazing and he owns the room.
Insane and I’m denial
@@bb3ll07 I’m denial?
@Yort Semloh she meant "in denial."
@FBA Illegal Immigrant to White Supremacy Despite there being more whites on welfare than blacks the percentage of the population on it is greater among blacks than whites. It’s not difficult for 60 to win out over 13.
Well here we are 50 years later and Sowell was 100% correct.
Correct about what? How neoliberal polices and capitalism have destroyed the working class family? That the bosses need to pay for the next generation just like they do for the elderly and disabled.
@@kimobrien. Yes, and welfare doesn't fix the problem. Instead it financially incentives people to trade pride for money and mothers to be single.
What you speak of, would be best addressed by legislation and unions. Keep fostering unions, and fair pay legislation, so working is more attractive than being on welfare. We just have to fine tune the incentives for people, could've done that every 5 years. But now it's time for corpos to pay livable wages, thats the most appropriate solution.
@@PigeonLaughter01 The workers need to take control of industry and government away from the bosses with a labor party based in the trade unions. Abolition of private property. The property used to exploit others. Use government funds to put people to work building things we need. Retool the arms plants. Send workers and construction materials to the third world.
@@PigeonLaughter01 "welfare financially incentives people to trade pride for money and mothers to be single."
That is such an unfathomably stupid take, it might be one of the dumbest I've ever heard. The fact that you think your thoughts on this matter are sensible and worth sharing, is in itself problematic.
@@fredrik8500please elaborate
Sowell is a national treasure. It's always great watching him and Friedman show the leftist 'intellectuals' how outmatched they were. So thankful my dad introduced me to this honest genius.
Thomas Sowell and Milton Freedman have been proven right.
They were right and wrong . So if we don't get more concerned about getting policy correct then we have more problems
@@vladimirremmirez7671 I genuinely can't understand whatever it is your're trying to convey?
@@Ratty2480 He doesn't really make great arguments they have no substance at all whatsoever. he literally uses anecdotal evidence as proof to support his argument lmfao, he's good in terms of the second wave feminism debates but he should stay out of economic politics
@@vladimirremmirez7671 What arguments aren't substantive? And you do realize that your commenting on a video set along time ago and applying critique of it in today's terms
@@vladimirremmirez7671 ...if you believe subject that comes from Sowell it better be economics. He's an award winning economist and a student of Friedman, who is THE economist.
This is academia. Intellectuals can sit and discuss these broad subjects through critical thinking and debate without losing themselves into their emotions or pushing narrow-minded, backward thinking political agendas....the difference today is that political correctness may "cancel" you for having these debates.
This was absolutely wonderful to watch. This kind of sensible, straightforward, well-intentioned political discussion is a rarity in modern universities, and I learned so much watching this :)
Did you learn that the only thing that saved the bosses system of capitalism was the destruction of their world market competition Japan and Germany and the traitors to the working class of the Social Democrats and Stalinist leadership variety. American Imperialism is in natural decline now.
"You mean separate the hope from the reality?". Beautiful.
I simply love how respectful everyone was able to be towards one another, though they may be in opposition politically. I wish more people were able to have these types of discussions and debates while being calm, collected, articulate etc.
It’s won’t happen in these sensitive time. Everyone is offended and have become sheep listening to the media & politicians. Malcolm X said it super clear.
Thomas Sowell totally demolishes people's argument either by his words or his body language!!! 😁
I wish he would have had the backing to implement everything he talks about. Him and Friedman always believed in people.
usually an equal measure of both.
@@bailechuind6194 Yeah particularly when he was young - and he sure did maintain his youth for a real long time!
@@Sidtube10 he is still writing he finished one book at 87 and at 91 he is working on another.
Period
I hope Mr and Mrs. Brown were able to move ahead in life while sticking together.
My mother was an immigrant and a single mother who refuse living in the projects and being on welfare. She always had a job and became a homeowner.
The projects back in the day was different than it is now. People used to have pride in their living.
and your point is ??
This should be shown in every school and broadcast simultaneously on every channel!
The media & school systems would never anymore. They’re making us weak, this isn’t the same America I grew up in. It’s so sad.
Wow, there is no way such an honest conversation would be on TV today.
bullshit....Donald Trump has honest conversations on FOX TV every week
Welfare is only exposing the real problem and that’s people.
Love how Milton Friedman proudly smiles while Sowll makes a good agrument
No way PBS would allow this type of documentary now days.
Indeed PBS, even NPR, Public Classical and Jazz radio have comfortably morphed from Public to Publicity (Fed and Local Gov) outlets, making sure we stay Sleepy Hollow and well programmed..
I can't stop seeing how well behaved everyone is. NO freaks, weirdos or bums walking around.
Yes, Trump could not sit with these intellects.
@@warren9402 And people weren't bitching about Trump every 5 seconds. 😒 He's not even in office anymore. Get a life.
Today a mob would be shouting over the panel and blowing an air horn in Friedman's ear.
@@Beekeeper8011 funny but so true
Less vaccines then
Thomas Sowell should be in Mount Rushmore!!!!
athruzathruz exactly idk what these assholes heard
athruzathruz 😂 funniest comment ever
@@misternurse2u503 I'm serious, Sowell is the man! He's been proven right throughout the years.....
I would donate to that cause!
@@kiwisquaw23 I'll put you down bro!!!!
I love Thomas Sowell, I remember these talks on t.v. whenI was little. I had no idea what they were talking about , but I was learning how to speak English with my mama. Lol! I only understood certain words and took sides . I was always on the side of truth , because the only one using less complicated words and straight to the point was Mr.Sowell.
What i love about this documentary is the part when it comes to the debate it is such an eloquent and enlightening exchange without anyone yelling or degrading anyone because there's a difference in philosophical opinion.
Thank you for sharing this, Brother Mike! EVERYONE should see this! God is good. Thanks for your hard work. Bless you!
I love how civil this discussion is...you can tell these people are also emotionally invested in what they believe and its refreshing to see how the conversation represents a diversity of thought as well as tolerance for the other side. Compare it to today and its clear that there has been a retrogression in public discourse that is hurting and hindering us.
The respect that each of the people in this conversation present to each other is wonderful. Where did this go? How did we end up where we are now? It's sad.
And Sowell is a legend. Brilliant mind...
I was shocked by income tax after I got my first higher income job. In months I was laid off and immediately went homeless. Taxes made me homeless. I refused unemployment insurance and any sort of welfare. I didn't want help from government. I found little jobs. I scraped together money to start a business. 4 years later I'm doing very well. If the government would get out of our business, prices would come down and the escape from poverty would be substantially easier. It's only hard because the government makes it hard. Never get on welfare or accept any government help.
I’m glad you were able to get back up without government assistance!
You refused unemployment insurance? Its like having a car accident and being proud to have refused your coverage!
What nonsense.
The whole point is to plan for temporary misfortune. Its not meant for life long help. Its good that you built things back up but every program isnt some scam.
@@thezu9250 there is a difference. I voluntarily choose to buy car insurance for myself. In my state only liability is needed for owned vehicles with no lines on a title. I have the choice to cover more than liability damages. Unemployment insurance is different in that it is forced at gunpoint to be bought. No options are available and so your employor is forced to buy. Your policy is never disclosed to you. This leaves the public ignorant. By claiming unemployment, I am pulling from a fund created by people whose labor was exploited by force. Essentially I'd be taking proceeds from a portion of someone else's labor without consent. By definition that's slavery. If I wanted unemployment insurance I should be allowed the choice to buy it for myself or not. It's a risk I should decide for myself in choosing if I should set aside some money for it. No person should be forced to buy it. Any time people are forced into anything, they feel entitled and incentivized to cheat the system and maximize returns beyond contractual agreements made by their own hand. This is the basis for corruption and government program failure. If people had the option to not have unemployment insurance, if someone did not want it, they could earn more $. Same principle applies to social security and Medicare. Many people would love to opt out, make substantially more money, and spend it how they decide to. Instead it's all stolen.
@@mahfeww No. That makes zero sense. Its an insurance policy. Everyone pitches in because a small percentage will actually need it. Its supposed to be a safety net. Thats how your car, health and home insurance works. You pay hoping you dont need it. But its still a crowd funded insurance plan. The average person gets way less out of those insurances than they pay.
The reality is that employment insurance makes working people SAVE a portion of their pay in case of emergencies so they dont end up needing welfare. I see it as MY money coming back to me as I obviously dont plan to need it for long. So if I pay 10 years of it, and use it for 3 months. Then fine. But it also means that I am fortunate but my neighbor will have help. Them going into a state of despair means ill have to help them or be negatively impacted by them anyway.
There will ALWAYS be opportunists. The AVERAGE person isnt gaming the system. The AVERAGE person isnt praying to lose their job which usually pays more than the bare minimum covered by unemployment insurance. So not sure how unemployment versus having a good job is a luxury.
@@thezu9250 there's a difference between force and voluntary choices. I do not subscribe to force. The logic isn't there. Force makes the assumption that all have the right to deserve an entitlement. Voluntary action is where all have the right to know and understand what they are getting into. I personally would choose to opt out of unemployment because I wish to accept the risk of not being paid if I am laid off. We all deserve the human right to choose owe do with our own bodies.
Who is sees this 2020 still
2021
He's the reason for me wanting to be a stock broker and becoming an economist
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@@williammunny9916 AMEN 🙏
“Nobody spends somebody else’s money as carefully as he spends his own. Nobody has the same dedication to achieving somebody else’s objectives that he displays when he pursues his own.” - Milton Friedman…. Truer words have never been spoken….
So you want to get rid of health care, social security, food stamps and every social program and leave the poor to starve to death? Milton Friedmans philosophy was tried out during the Great depression. President Hoover sat on his ass and did NOTHING when the Great depression started in 1929. The result was a disaster. It took FDR almost ten years and a war to fix the mess that was left to him by the GOP, but he was able to turn things around and make America into the greatest country in the world. The new deal was necessary to get us out of a national crises in the 1930`s.
True, but I wonder what Milton's take would be on human caused climate change?
@@Akira282 For Friedman and company markets are self regulating not under the control of the bosses using government to defend their profits above all else's. For Friedman's and Sowell capitalist marginalism to work markets must be ideal and the bosses must not be greedy and use their government to defend their naturally declining profit maximization system. Bosses like Friedman haven't got a clue. All they know and talk about is the love of money and gold. They've had the good life sitting on a perch paid for with the profits of the rent collecting bosses.
@@Akira282he’d call it out for the complete scam it has proven to be. The climate alarmists have reversed their position constantly for the last 50+ years, have not once been correct, and their solutions are always exactly the same- more taxes and government control.
Well he's a free market fundamentalist so obviously he either doesn't care about externalities or is indifferent to them.
Tom and Milton are a national treasure.
These are perspective that should be had now more than ever
Agree, but we can’t without being called empathetic or racist.
EVERYTHING mentioned in this documentary is fact.
It's so easy to say and come to the conclusion that Sowell and Friedman were right , but just think of them having to look at the demise of America particular the black communities as they knew it was going to happen. It's not just that they knew they were right, they actually cared enough to sound an alarm for the sake of the country. It wasn't just for show, it was substance.
The same with this new wokeness and refunding the police. It will only lead to the further destruction of communities that need the police.
It is so hurtful to hear as a conservative that you just want to see people suffer when you yourself hold the position that the socialist system itself is what is driving up the suffering and that you know by simply proposing what you are proposing as true you will be vilified. And yet we are still treated with incredulousness. There is no denying that without regulation we have seen businesses cause economic collapse through unconscionable lending programs. Lending to invest in the stock market had to be made illegal, then the housing bubble happened also because of things like no doc loans. It was a terrible taking advantage of the American public to see these banks be bailed out after intentionally lending money to people they knew likely wouldn't pay it back and then repossessing their homes after taking whatever wealth they could squeeze out of them.
So there are problems without regulations on businesses, you can go too far right, but that doesn't mean that leftism doesn't also lead to collapse. It is apparent, and it shouldn't be impossible to fathom that both are not only possible but apparent in our history.
@@johnbaker7322
"Without regulation"? Please read Thomas Sowell's book "The Housing Boom and Bust" where the incentives through government policy and government regulations created the 2008 economic collapse. These include but are not limited to the Community Reinvestment Act and claims of racism based on statistics rather than the actual ability to pay back loans. The government also created agencies that would buy risky loans which obviously increases the likelihood of making the risky loans in the first place.
Therefore, too much regulation and government involvement created the bulk of the collapse.
@@JJSchwartzJJSchwartz Sure according to Sowell the bosses are the victims of their own government and not their insatiable greed. Why should a bank own a house in the first place? Fact s the bosses were convinced they could make a killing in the housing market and became the victims of their own greed.
@@johnbaker7322 " 'Without regulation'? Please read Thomas Sowell's book "The Housing Boom and Bust" where the incentives through government policy and government regulations created the 2008 economic collapse. These include but are not limited to the Community Reinvestment Act and claims of racism based on statistics rather than the actual ability to pay back loans. The government also created agencies that would buy risky loans which obviously increases the likelihood of making the risky loans in the first place.
Therefore, too much regulation and government involvement created the bulk of the collapse."
The little girl that couldn’t breath, I hope she was able to get well
@Tim fuck off
@Tim I've heard of dark humor, but HOLY SHIT
Yes, and God bless her hard working Father who refused to become a part of the system! Dear God, help this child who is loved by her Mother and Father.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏✝️✝️✝️💕
I vaguely remember my dad telling me all of this when I was growing up. The State of New York was paying 600$ a month per child out of wedlock and there were women who would go out and get four of them so they wouldn’t need a job. It didn’t matter that the four kids grew up in squalor.
They still do it done whites too once you know what you can get you use it- food stamps go up per child then sell some get cash buy DOPE I know a chick- my coworker we made 12 $ hr she got food stamps I said how you get that she said cuz I got 3 kids and a husband who won't work- leads to look all the black women who work leave baby st home with boyfriend who ends up killing that baby sad
I could listen to Thomas Sowell forever
Thomas Sowell completely dominate this debate with his charisma
The problem with any government program is if it isn't working it takes forever to get rid of that program. Only the government will continuously lose money on a losing program.
I love Thomas Sowell. Look him up under the Hoover Institution. Lots of great interviews.
Thoams Sowell, the legend. It is a shame that more people are not open to his amazing intelligence.
You won't hear this on The Breakfast Club lol
Nope. Smh
Daniel Willis yes you sure don’t because those people on the breakfast club speaks their mind
@Kenya Askew you wont hear it on there because they're ignorant and they live in a racial world not a rational one .
UNO Sheem exactly
Kenya Askew or their lack of brains
What a beast Mr T. Sowell and Dr. Friedman. Cheers from Costa Rica, my first book was *Basic Economics*.
When I was a teenager, the CETA summer jobs for high school kids were a God send. It probably kept me out out of trouble because I was able to buy school cloths for the year because of that job.
The CETA program was excellent. A very successful plumber I talked to said without that program, where he learned the trade, he didn't know what would have happened to him.
What an amazing debate! Wish we had debates like this today
Amazing my brother. I'm glad to see a popular black cultural channel promote what our people have been talking about in barber shops, churches and family reunions for years. That is to say, how inefficient the government is with our money, or as most of us would say, "how inefficient the man is..."