the two are inseperable. While you can make sprite animations look really cool and flavourful, it's impossible to convey the amount of information a modern fighting game wants to convey.
The two ARE separable... Under the name "graphics", I put textures, detailed models, which is an entirely different matter than the number of frames per second. Now, of course, there's the matter of graphical power, how many calculations does the engine need to make to create each frame. And that is precisely what I'm getting at: the lower the detail on each frame, the lesser calculations are needed, and in turn, the more frames a specific engine with finite capabilities can render on the go, making the animation that much smoother.
let me clarify, in fighting games it's not "just as good" to have an excellent aesthetics with sub-par graphics as the visuals need to convey more information than in other games. also the information i mentioned in my last comment isn't displayed by the number of frames per second, but by shading and slight model turns to indicate precise position.
Hmmm okay, I see what you mean. I tend to think that it's still a matter of animation rather than graphics, but I get that without a certain level of detail, the animation is just not visible, and thus does not convey the necessary information. Fair point.
+thesatanic6: Sorry, but no, graphics do matter in that case because if the animation is stiff or awkward, the game will feel like it's stiff or awkward to play. Have you ever played an MMO with slower animations (like GW2 for example) and then play an action-based JRPG with quicker animations like a Kingdom Hearts? The biggest difference in how one feels more sluggish than the other boils down to visuals and animation. By your logic of "graphics don't matter only the pure gameplay does," you're saying that you could have a complex working fighting game with just two cubes. I'm sorry, but you can't.
"I think graphics and gameplay are inseparable" I used to have the philosophy that graphics meant literally nothing. After designing a few games, I very quickly learned that's not the case. Though, any art style can work. It's the visual feedback and animation that matters.
@RagingThunder graphics it's not just the shader, you're confusing things here, the animations, art, models, UI, Everything that's visual is 'graphics'.
@@LeonesAce when you word it like that, in pretty much every game graphics is just as important as important as gameplay(unless it's a text adventure), I usually prefer to use terms like "aesthetic and art design" because there are games with high graphically fidelity that I think look like shit, Mortal Kombat X and Injustice 2 look great graphically but there attack animations are awful and then you have games like KOF14 which look kinda bad in terms of graphical fidelity but I think it's much more appeal because of how good most of the animations and designs look, so it would sound weird if I said something like "MKX has bad graphics and KOF14 has good graphics"
The idea that "graphics don't matter" is primarily a knee-jerk response to graphics-whores who think that Animal Crossing: New Horizons looks like shit for not having a photorealistic art style like The Last of Us Part II.
Street fighter is the only fighting game I refuse to play. Havent played a single game in that franchise. Not even street fighter X tekken. And tekken is my favorite fighting game series. But I have no issues playing any of the capcom vs. Games. MvC3 and snkVcapcom are pretty fun. Heck I have a snes classic. Still havent touched street fighter.
I'm so glad that I've found people of my kind. Most people say "UUHH STREET FIGHTER IS BEST BECAUSE IT HAS CAMMY" but I say gtfo with that shit fam, Guilty Gear has Millia and I-no
Rockymann27 um Revelator and Sign are both from the XRD series. Revelator is only an updated version of Sign but you're right. It is a million times better.
Samurai Donkey I know they are. If i know what revelator is, it should be common sense that i know of sign. Just meant it improves so much onto it, that its almost a new game.
Easily the best looking fighting game in the market. Arguably the best ever. But if you play Guilty Gear XX on a emulator, like the Dolphin for example, with the XBRZ filter applied... Man, it's unreal
KOFXIII has the most beautiful sprite graphics of any game I've ever seen. The way they animate is amazing, and it saddens me greatly that they gave all that up for the sake of 3D graphics in KOFXIV.
Well yeah, 2D graphics like XIII are pretty expensive and there was no way they could afford that again. 3D is much cheaper fortunately, it would have looked better had they added a style to it to try and resemble 2D (like XRD or that chinese fighter with Terry and Benimaru as guest characters, it's models but they resemble 2D sprites with their shading and frame movements)
+Berry Box Not a real big thinker there are ya? Let me explain this to you. Ok so you know how they had been using the same sprites for like a decade and a half right? And they pretty much just created all new sprites? Now mind you think about what I said before. They had been using those previous sprites for along time. Making adjustments here and there add a character here and there, right? Why? They are already created you don't need to spend money to create them again. All you would need is to make some adjustments here and there and add some new characters. Trust me that is a lot cheaper than creating that many totally new 3D models. Now this is the part where you learn the truth. The big suits upstairs have decided that 2D is the past and the game should be 3D to appeal to mass audiences. These big suits have no experience in the gaming industry and have given SNK a pathetic budget in order to create a 3D fighter from scratch. And that's why it looks like shit.
It was made 3D because of the new team (younger team which has experience in models and not sprites) and director working on it and again. They're aiming for 50 characters, there's no way reusing sprites was going to work for a goal like that, that'd be severely awful for them and they'd be limiting themselves badly from such a decision. They're bringing back a lot of old characters and a lot of new ones, there's no way in hell they can afford to make sheets for so many characters given the cost, time, and experience needed for them. Let's also mention new stages for the games (old games barely reused assets) and that makes it a lot more work you have to do, don't think reusing shit is going to cut it there either. If the gameplay is good and works out better for the team then I'm all for it, I'd love 2D sprites but I know they can't really afford to do that anymore, you have no idea how much time goes into making a single set for a character, not to mention color separation and EX versions.
It's also a very easy game to get into. The bread and butter teaches you the very basics as you progress through tweaks, meter control, opening people up, defense, #TheGlorious2H, and #TheAccursedDragonRush. Very fun game. 10/10, would spend 600+ Hours again
@@Ryamix yeah but the game broke the record for most sales on day 1 for any fighting game. meaning hardly anyone knew it was piss easy to play yet. the sales mostly came from it being a dbz team fighter that looks amazing not the actually gameplay reviews
Really weird how the games that look bad (KOF14 and MvC: Infinite) play the best. It's a real shame. I bet if the games looked better, more people would play them. Since their graphics are the only real flaw.
graphics are definitely important when it comes to readability and things like knowing where you are on the screen, but I’d say animation factors in more. Not only can it make moves feel insanely more impactful, if the animation is done well each move will look unique, which will make them more memorable it also just looks nice lol
This is why I play SFIII. The art and animation gives everything so much personality it just draws you in. Every SF game since then has looked like robots fighting each other.
Exactly, graphics do matter. I just think SF3 has better graphics in this instance. Smooth 2D animation is just sublime. Thankfully the gaming world has seemed to have lost its 'everything must be 3D' hardon and we're starting to see 2D games return.
2D Marvel vs graphics are my absolute favorite. Every game from Street Fighter vs X-Men on really felt like watching animated comics. And MvC 2 was the ultimate form of that.
I'm not a fighting game person at all, but I played MvC2 with my friend a long time ago and I was just amazed at how beautiful the game looked. Fighting games have some of the best 2d graphics I've ever seen, and I would attribute that to them needing to convey a lot of information to the player.
+Kirin 1 Sprites are expensive and hard to produce. As you may know, SNKP is trying, yes, trying to come back to the top, and they had absolutely no money to make a new game. They sold 81,25% of the company last year, and Sony is acutally funding the game (that also explains why KOF XIV is an Playstation exclusive). They dont have much money to work with, then they decided to make a 3D game, becuase its easier and cheaper to work with. Thats why this new game looks like that. If you want good looking graphics, you should wait for KOF XV.
Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact has a widescreen mode on the arcade version, however I doubt many arcades at the time were able to actually utilize it. Try finding an affordable big widescreen CRT during 1997 that'll fit into an arcade cabinet. I imagine that wasn't easy nor practical
KoF XIII looks incredible but I think Skullgirls is my favourite, purely based on how much character and flair they put into every single attack. For clarity purposes it's probably not the GREATEST but from an artistic standpoint I think it's gorgeous
+Albert Wesker I can't look at it, the colors are like those shitty Marvel comic books from 90's. Not only the characters, but the UI as well. Also you can't see shit on the screen due to all the explosions
Somehow this video is just now being recommended to me, and I’m just now (five years later) seeing your comment, but as a gamer who also cares about graphics since I am an artist, I have to say: Garou’s graphics are quite nice, honestly! I’ve recently fallen in love with Garou. I hadn’t played a traditional fighting game before it, but now I love it so much that I’ve even added it to my stream schedule and play it on Fightcade with a friend every week. The game’s animations definitely flow very nicely and are very clean. Even the voice acting is surprisingly good. The reason I say surprisingly is because Terry in every other King of Fighters and Fatal Fury game sounds worse in my opinion than Garou Terry. Sure, Garou Terry can sound a little drunk sometimes, but Terry’s lines in other games other than KoF14 (and funnily enough, Smash Bros) sound too over-exaggerated or forced and like they tried too hard.
@@faithssb that's a very interesting opinion because LOTS of KOF vets will say Terry's voice FF and KOF are more natural sounding then In KoF14(and Smash lol)
Honestly, out of every fighting game, I think that Super Smash Bros has some of the best animations (at least the newest games). They balance out gameplay with character origins, move function, and a lot of other stuff, it’s really cool.
For me its kinda hard to say. When I think about animations I usually think about the coolest move a character has (their super) and I kinda feel like final smashes lack a lot of impact compared to other fighting games. I agree that they're above average, but I feel like they don't really compare to any arcsys game or 2D games like 3rd strike
I personally think the older Smash games have the best animations, 64 and Melee you can really feel the punches, it started to feel flat when Brawl came out.
+Fresh 2D Toucher Buddies Well, I heard that for BlazBlue, ASW uses 3D models as a base for frame poses and then goes on to do the shading, which is part of the experimentation they did to accomplish cel shading. Who knows? Maybe a future BlazBlue title might make the 3D jump too.
GG was made in full-3D because they don't want to compete with their own franchise, it was stated during that longass conference. BB is going to stay 2D to keep that distinction.
KaZ Neosis Like they give a shit, it only happens in the west because it's the only place where people genuinely bitch about characters being "too cute" or "too anime" in an anime fighter.
For me Street Fighter 3 New generation and 2nd Impact are my favorite fighting games when it comes to ART and SOUND. I know everyone loves 3rd strike but the sounds in NG and 2I are amazing. Everything from the announcer to the sound effects and voice actors. The artwork is great too reminds me of SF2 World Warriors promo art. Also X-Men COTA and Street Fighter Alpha 2 are great for visuals and sound.
In retrospect it's rather impressive they did a huge stage overhaul from SFIII to Third Strike. A shame all those other characters in the background related to characters will be forgotten. Ibuki had so much more potential than her personality in SFIV. All the varied Illuminati masks were cool too. Think about it. Gill has had 3 stages now. Pretty stellar thus far for invoking detail and stacking onto the mythos of the series.
Same. Nothing beat the SF2 art style. It was all down hill since SF3 came out. Should have just kept remaking SF2 expansions. It had the perfect art style and should have just used that template forever.
Or at least pay homage to 2D animation better. Just look at how Guilty Gear's 3D installments purposefully emulate 2D sprite animation with smear frames and shit, it's amazing.
That's one of the Reasons why I wasn't a fan of SFV. They tried to knockoff Tekken (Hit Block Reactions) without actually understanding what the Tekken Series did to make that work. Overhauling most of the charater's Move-sets definitely doesn't help. EX is still The Best in 3D Street Fighting.
I can't see why people were complaining about the KOF XIV graphics, those look gorgeous to me. And sorry, but even after this, I'm not convinced, it seems you only proved how much better it makes it look, not how it improves the way it plays.
I heard KOF XIV plays like XIII so that's a big positive. I don't really care about the graphics as long as the game plays good. Quality over quantity is the lesson here, seems like people don't even care about that.
+fl21id It's true, everyone forgets about the game itself as soon as they see the graphics. I remember a time when the game itself was what mattered most, graphics were just something to appreciate.
Good animations are important in fighting games so the player can easily understand what a move does and how it works just by looking at it and without looking up framedata and guides
Dead Or Alive 5: Last Round's graphics takes it for me. The amount of detail on the characters and the stages are great! The stage transitions and power blow specials that interact with the stages, add a lot of depths into the graphics. Debris, cans, and even coconuts falling from a tree to bonk your head. It's amazing.
I think the mid 360/PS3 era of graphics really impressed me. From MVC3's cel shaded style, to Tekken 6's high detail models, BB's sprite work, and DOA5's amazing visual presentation. Obviously in current gen it's even better, but i think it was back then when I really noticed that fighting games had reached the next level in terms of visuals, as it were. Nowadays, fighting games are as impressive to look at as much as play, which is a big deal for spectators who see what's going on and understand it more.
Skullgirls is probably my favorite graphically speaking. But the Samsho games have probably left the biggest impact on me in terms of graphics in fighting games.
I usually prefer 2D sprite based fighting games, my favourite being Street Fighter Alpha 3. But when I saw Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 I realised what 3D graphics in fighting games could be and that became my favourite.
I really like Tekken Tag 2 or Tekken 7 FR's graphics, I like how it mixes realistic and cartoon and so you get realistic looking characters that also look pretty and can still have over the top designs
Jesus Zamora which is weird that people now are praising kof XIII all of the sudden when on release it had horrible sale numbers, had everyone back then gave their support for the game like they do now kof XIV might have also been sprite based.
@@joescannoli7660 exactly. KOF XIII looked absolutely stunning but nobody supported this game. Probably because KOF XII was a huge critical failure, so XIII didn't sell well either despite being a fantastic game.
•Guilty Gear and BlazBlue have awesome spirte work and graphic design in general. •I actually like SFV's graphics, it looks kinda fancy. •Soulcalibur III was the most beautiful Soulcalibur game before they moved to next gen, specially the stages. Check out Eurydice Shrine, or my personal favorite, Lost Cathedral. They're beautiful as hell. •Soulcalibur IV gave us gloomy graphics and that's why I like them. The animations are also way better than SCIII's (those looked quite ankward, if you ask me). •Tekken, in the other hand, has semi-realistic and attractive graphics. •Dead or Alive always looked great and ahead of its time, honestly. Look at Dead or Alive 2, it aged incredibly. •Under Night In-Birth Exe:Late looks cool too. I like that, ejem, "night" feel it has... I dunno how to explain myself.
@@joseurbina3835 Tekken didn't kill it's inspiration no it's Sega they don't let most of their franchises see the light of day that much unless it's Sonic, Yakuza or a Alien tie in game they are not interested.
I love Guilty Gear Xrd, too. It had style, beauty and really helps to give dept into the characters. Besides, i am a huge fan of 2D graphics and GGxrd cell shading emulates it so well.
Speaking of SF3, games with their own "SF3" production also got me hooked and I am very strong fans of it. Garou: Mark of the Wolves was the pinnacle of the Garou/Fatal Fury series. It had beautiful sprites and animation that expressed all the characters. From veteran older Terry Bogard, to younger upstart Rock Howard, the waifish small Hotaru Futaba, The stern bruising Gato and even the lively B. Jenet. They all stick out very well. martial masters also was a very fluidly animated game. Very nice to look at in action.
Third Strike has the most smooth and fancy sprite animations of any SF game...which makes for a great gameplay because it's a sheer pleasure to strike a good combo, and see how everything just fits great
high definition 2d sprites are my favorite in fighting games, something like blazblue for example. I've invested most of my time in Melee and sm4sh, i would love if they were sprite based instead of 3d.
We also need to consider the actual implementation of 2D and 3D graphics for fighting games. KOF 2D is way ahead of KOF 3D. Street Fighter 2D and 3D are both explored and evolved nicely. Street Fighter Alpha 3D was not great, but decent back then. Tekken has always been 3D, like DOA also, it is good that way.
I would like to see the entire video where they took the sequence at 2:12 from. So that we can see the secret behind the special moves in Street Fighter 1.
my favorite graphics are in Art of Fighting 2 for neo geo. I just wish it were hd and had more frames of animation. I love the art style and zooming effects
Good stuff as always mate! These vids are rly well made. I started playing fighting games like 22 years ago with SF2, Primal Rage, Ninja Turtles etc on my Sega Mega Drive. Once the Dreamcast was released FG graphics got to a whole new lvl - DoA2 & Soul Calibur were so much ahead of it's time graphically wise and I gotta say that I am rly impressed how much the graphics have improved in FGs these days. I wonder how far the developers can push next gen graphics - let me say in 10 years from now - SF8 and MK12. Thanks for sharing this and keep up the good work.
Love the graphics on Soul Calibur 4 and Soul Calibur 5. When someone gets hurt on those games, you can see it clearly. And the special moves on those games look bad ass.
Yea man, '97 is really good! See my first KOF was '96, and I thought that was pretty good already, but '97 is such a great improvement. Almost every future KOF game progressed for the better :) I'm loving 2002 at the moment
Hey, I'm one of those guys who, upon finding such a cool channel cannot believe how he didn't spot it earlier. I'm seriously impressed by the sheer amount of insight you provide in your videos. Fantastic job! Even though I grew up playing fighting games, especially SF and MK back in the 90's all the way to mid 00's, I cannot remember when was the last time I have played any of it, but in terms of visual features, I agree with you, SF3 is my favorite as well. The point I wanted to share here, and I hope I won't sound dubious, is next: beautiful graphics is more important than the high-end graphics. For example, comic book style, cartoony graphics can be much more appealing and can be hell of a lot more atmospheric and vivid than real life photo-realistic based graphics with ultra sharp details and realistic visual representation, because it offers more room for exaggeration, which is a major artistic element, hence it can conjure up things more expressively and most definitely make our imagination running wild. Cheers!
KOF 13 looked and played like a well researched peer reviewed scholarly article. My personal favorite Versus games like Capcom vs SNK 2 is beyond a shadow of a doubt the way versus games should be. Characters, different meters, backgrounds and the sheer fun it produces. You can’t go wrong at all with that game
My favorite graphical game is MK9, I just loved how everything was moving in the background and the way everyone looked. I know the new ones look better now but Damn I was impressed back then.
In a more general sense, I think good graphics indicate that a certain level of love and care was applied in making the game; it wasn't just made by soulless developers looking to cash in on your nostalgia, it was made by people who cared enough to do the game and its characters justice
I love Arc-Sys 2D sprite work. GG XX Reload sprites are pretty nice, but I also enjoy the Persona 4 Ultimax, as well as the Blazblue Continuum shift sprites. Yeah let's just say I enjoy Arc-Sys sprites
Guilty great Xrd... nuff said! The 3d models lacks some of the old spirits detail but oh boy do these 3d models look good.(even though I'd have like them to move more fluidly)
+KamenKami We're based in Korea so it's not likely, but I do plan on going to Evo 2016. Follow me twitter @coreagaming if you want to keep up to date :)
As far as graphics in fighting games, I'm gonna call an obscure one and say Touhou Scarlet Weather Rhapsody (plus the Hisoutensoku expansion) probably have some of the best graphics in fighting games ever. The high-res energy projectiles plus the sort of pixel-y character designs just fuse so well for some reason.
Hey Core-A! What you're talking about is actually aesthetics, not graphics. Graphics are the technical capabilities that the game shows off, while aesthetics are the choices that go into color palette, animations, character and setting design. For example you mention Street Fighter III at the end of the video as your favorite graphics in fighting games. However, the graphics are clearly worse than that of say Street Fighter IV. But perhaps there's something about the aesthetics and how that information is communicated to you that pleases you more in III than IV. Though I've never played any of the KoF games, I can guess that the negative response to the new trailers is due to the aesthetic not meshing well with the actual gameplay, even though the graphics are clearly better than older gamesi n the franchise, which is also something you mentioned. Great video, just thought I'd make that correction.
+Kevino Put another way, graphics are your toolset, and aesthetics is how a designer uses that toolset. A pro with lesser tools can create a better product than an amateur with a wider toolset.
+Kevino I agree this also goes for games that were highly successful that did NOT make major graphical "improvements" to there games for example King of Fighter series. Funny you did not show the timeline of classic KOF series how the sprites remained the same, but altered gameplay was improved each installment. It comes down to aesthetics, and "good" graphics do not matter in fighting games.
“This is why graphics matter”
*shows closeup of 2 girls in thongs throwing a guy around*
What game was that
Oh my
@@redditdevilsadvocate.5134 Street Fighter V
Exactly
Leotards, not thongs.
I would say that graphics don't matter, but animation does.
the two are inseperable. While you can make sprite animations look really cool and flavourful, it's impossible to convey the amount of information a modern fighting game wants to convey.
The two ARE separable... Under the name "graphics", I put textures, detailed models, which is an entirely different matter than the number of frames per second. Now, of course, there's the matter of graphical power, how many calculations does the engine need to make to create each frame. And that is precisely what I'm getting at: the lower the detail on each frame, the lesser calculations are needed, and in turn, the more frames a specific engine with finite capabilities can render on the go, making the animation that much smoother.
let me clarify, in fighting games it's not "just as good" to have an excellent aesthetics with sub-par graphics as the visuals need to convey more information than in other games. also the information i mentioned in my last comment isn't displayed by the number of frames per second, but by shading and slight model turns to indicate precise position.
Hmmm okay, I see what you mean. I tend to think that it's still a matter of animation rather than graphics, but I get that without a certain level of detail, the animation is just not visible, and thus does not convey the necessary information. Fair point.
+thesatanic6: Sorry, but no, graphics do matter in that case because if the animation is stiff or awkward, the game will feel like it's stiff or awkward to play. Have you ever played an MMO with slower animations (like GW2 for example) and then play an action-based JRPG with quicker animations like a Kingdom Hearts? The biggest difference in how one feels more sluggish than the other boils down to visuals and animation.
By your logic of "graphics don't matter only the pure gameplay does," you're saying that you could have a complex working fighting game with just two cubes. I'm sorry, but you can't.
"I think graphics and gameplay are inseparable" I used to have the philosophy that graphics meant literally nothing. After designing a few games, I very quickly learned that's not the case.
Though, any art style can work. It's the visual feedback and animation that matters.
@RagingThunder graphics it's not just the shader, you're confusing things here, the animations, art, models, UI, Everything that's visual is 'graphics'.
Exactly
@@LeonesAce when you word it like that, in pretty much every game graphics is just as important as important as gameplay(unless it's a text adventure), I usually prefer to use terms like "aesthetic and art design" because there are games with high graphically fidelity that I think look like shit, Mortal Kombat X and Injustice 2 look great graphically but there attack animations are awful and then you have games like KOF14 which look kinda bad in terms of graphical fidelity but I think it's much more appeal because of how good most of the animations and designs look, so it would sound weird if I said something like "MKX has bad graphics and KOF14 has good graphics"
The idea that "graphics don't matter" is primarily a knee-jerk response to graphics-whores who think that Animal Crossing: New Horizons looks like shit for not having a photorealistic art style like The Last of Us Part II.
@@seanmyster6 or when someone says that Botw is ugly because don't look like Read Dead Redemption 2
People saying that KOF XIV looks like a PS2 game have obviously never played a PS2 game before.
Yeah, it's worse than that.
Have you seen MGS2
I mean tbh some ps2 games look pretty good today because of the art direction
For real. Anyone saying dumb shit like that never saw Maximum Impact.
@@kefkapalazzo1 Gran turismo 4 looks good even today, or maybe dont I havent played it for some time now
SF3 feels like you're playing a piece of art, it's great.
Too cartoony.
(Sad Blazblue noises)
@@adameves5970 its called being 2D bud. Have u ever played a game made before 2000?
@@blueicydasani4543 Is Mortal Kombat 3 "cartoony" ?
How about Diablo 2?
@@8bit_pineapple i don't like using "cartoony" for a video game. Thats how most games were
"There's more to graphics than I ever have them credit for"
*Shows R. Mika's atomic peach*
*"The FGC blew up over how bad it's outdated PS2 style graphics were"*
From what I understand though, the FGC blows up over pretty much anything?
They overreact to everything.
Yes, we do.
I miss when we went crazy by how beautiful the NEO GEO *is*
Did they by smash ultimate
Yep
Skullgirls and Guilty Gear XRD both look astonishing. I also have a soft spot for good ol' Street Fighter 2, but who doesn't?
masterplusmargarita I know people who dislike SF2's graphics
I literally play Skullgirls for graphics alone
Street fighter is the only fighting game I refuse to play. Havent played a single game in that franchise. Not even street fighter X tekken. And tekken is my favorite fighting game series.
But I have no issues playing any of the capcom vs. Games. MvC3 and snkVcapcom are pretty fun. Heck I have a snes classic. Still havent touched street fighter.
@@Ai-fj1dc? Oh my god it is Ai from Tetris! Bruh how Tee doing?
@@Vulcanfaux why tho
I love the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure arcade game's graphics.
Stuff like the faces that appear when you get KO'd by a super really make the game's graphics special.
Are we talking HftF, ASB, or EoH?
@@TheMasterBlaze I think hftf
@@phrogberto Cool. That's the best one imo.
@@TheMasterBlaze it's about hftf, he said "arcade"
Probably Guilty Gear Xrd. That game is a damn spectacle.
I'm so glad that I've found people of my kind. Most people say "UUHH STREET FIGHTER IS BEST BECAUSE IT HAS CAMMY" but I say gtfo with that shit fam, Guilty Gear has Millia and I-no
Revelator was better.
Rockymann27 um Revelator and Sign are both from the XRD series. Revelator is only an updated version of Sign but you're right. It is a million times better.
Samurai Donkey I know they are. If i know what revelator is, it should be common sense that i know of sign. Just meant it improves so much onto it, that its almost a new game.
Easily the best looking fighting game in the market. Arguably the best ever. But if you play Guilty Gear XX on a emulator, like the Dolphin for example, with the XBRZ filter applied... Man, it's unreal
KOFXIII has the most beautiful sprite graphics of any game I've ever seen. The way they animate is amazing, and it saddens me greatly that they gave all that up for the sake of 3D graphics in KOFXIV.
+Mads-Emil Jensen semi agreed... it's not bad they went to models for XIV... the quality on the other hand...
Well yeah, 2D graphics like XIII are pretty expensive and there was no way they could afford that again. 3D is much cheaper fortunately, it would have looked better had they added a style to it to try and resemble 2D (like XRD or that chinese fighter with Terry and Benimaru as guest characters, it's models but they resemble 2D sprites with their shading and frame movements)
+Berry Box Not a real big thinker there are ya?
Let me explain this to you. Ok so you know how they had been using the same sprites for like a decade and a half right? And they pretty much just created all new sprites? Now mind you think about what I said before. They had been using those previous sprites for along time. Making adjustments here and there add a character here and there, right? Why? They are already created you don't need to spend money to create them again. All you would need is to make some adjustments here and there and add some new characters. Trust me that is a lot cheaper than creating that many totally new 3D models.
Now this is the part where you learn the truth. The big suits upstairs have decided that 2D is the past and the game should be 3D to appeal to mass audiences. These big suits have no experience in the gaming industry and have given SNK a pathetic budget in order to create a 3D fighter from scratch. And that's why it looks like shit.
It was made 3D because of the new team (younger team which has experience in models and not sprites) and director working on it and again. They're aiming for 50 characters, there's no way reusing sprites was going to work for a goal like that, that'd be severely awful for them and they'd be limiting themselves badly from such a decision.
They're bringing back a lot of old characters and a lot of new ones, there's no way in hell they can afford to make sheets for so many characters given the cost, time, and experience needed for them. Let's also mention new stages for the games (old games barely reused assets) and that makes it a lot more work you have to do, don't think reusing shit is going to cut it there either.
If the gameplay is good and works out better for the team then I'm all for it, I'd love 2D sprites but I know they can't really afford to do that anymore, you have no idea how much time goes into making a single set for a character, not to mention color separation and EX versions.
+Berry Box Sprites are reused all the time in 2D fighters. Pass_the_M was right on the money on what he said.
I mean just look at FighterZ the graphics alone made it blow up
It's also a very easy game to get into. The bread and butter teaches you the very basics as you progress through tweaks, meter control, opening people up, defense, #TheGlorious2H, and #TheAccursedDragonRush. Very fun game. 10/10, would spend 600+ Hours again
Just picked up Fighterz so I can learn FGs with characters I actually know and love; Then I can transfer those skills and play other fighters I hope!
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@@Ryamix yeah but the game broke the record for most sales on day 1 for any fighting game. meaning hardly anyone knew it was piss easy to play yet. the sales mostly came from it being a dbz team fighter that looks amazing not the actually gameplay reviews
@@titus17 you forget the praises it got in beta but you make a very good point. Hardly anyone would've known that
Pretty much every ArcSys game is phenomenal graphically
Yes they using 2.5D graphics
Art direction > Graphics
Art Direction = Graphics
Art Direction > Detailed Graphics
I feel like games like Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is a good example of that, cause the art in that game is beautiful
@@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa Art Direction = Graphic Style, not Graphic Quality.
That's why SF3 looks like shit. The style is awful.
Adam Eves fucking nuclear take right here
@@adameves5970 Boy, sit your ass down. Street Fighter III was beautiful, and very striking.
Really weird how the games that look bad (KOF14 and MvC: Infinite) play the best. It's a real shame.
I bet if the games looked better, more people would play them. Since their graphics are the only real flaw.
Yeah, I played MvCI and loved it
There's far more reasons I dislike MvCI than just how it looks.
Oh underdawg hi ^-^
No. They shouldn't matter.
Nah, KOF 13 looks great and plays well
graphics are definitely important when it comes to readability and things like knowing where you are on the screen, but I’d say animation factors in more.
Not only can it make moves feel insanely more impactful, if the animation is done well each move will look unique, which will make them more memorable
it also just looks nice lol
This is why I play SFIII. The art and animation gives everything so much personality it just draws you in. Every SF game since then has looked like robots fighting each other.
Between the art and ost, SF3 just fucking oozes style. Almost makes me want to play it again but that game was way too hard for me.
Exactly, graphics do matter. I just think SF3 has better graphics in this instance. Smooth 2D animation is just sublime. Thankfully the gaming world has seemed to have lost its 'everything must be 3D' hardon and we're starting to see 2D games return.
2D Marvel vs graphics are my absolute favorite. Every game from Street Fighter vs X-Men on really felt like watching animated comics. And MvC 2 was the ultimate form of that.
I'm not a fighting game person at all, but I played MvC2 with my friend a long time ago and I was just amazed at how beautiful the game looked. Fighting games have some of the best 2d graphics I've ever seen, and I would attribute that to them needing to convey a lot of information to the player.
stages were absolute garbage, characters looked out of place inside them
The graphics in MVC2 are good but the actual sprites and animation are nowhere as detailed as SF3's
@@noir269 Yeah, but you were playing just the biggest buttload of marvel characters
@@mayonnnnnaise the first couple of marvel vs games reused a lot of assets
I really just wanted another KOF that used Sprites. I always considered SNK the King of Sprites.
Me too!
+Kirin 1
Metal slug for the win!!!
+Kirin 1 don't you mean the King of Spriters?
i'll leave...
+Kirin 1 Sprites are expensive and hard to produce. As you may know, SNKP is trying, yes, trying to come back to the top, and they had absolutely no money to make a new game.
They sold 81,25% of the company last year, and Sony is acutally funding the game (that also explains why KOF XIV is an Playstation exclusive).
They dont have much money to work with, then they decided to make a 3D game, becuase its easier and cheaper to work with.
Thats why this new game looks like that. If you want good looking graphics, you should wait for KOF XV.
Wasn't there a bad 3D Metal Slug game?
Holy shit my KOF reaction is in this vid LMAO!
+Ignant Rizzy It was priceless lol.
+Core-A Gaming haha thanks!
+Ignant Rizzy give it time dawg. LOL
+Ignant Rizzy nice!!!
+Ignant Rizzy LOL so glad it isn't a deja vu. i thought i saw that post else there too.....
Street Fighter III: Third Strike remains as my favorite fighter thus far.
Tekken 3
NRS games get a lot of flack for bad animation, but i think injustice 2 looks great, but it might just be me
I agree, morgan
Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact has a widescreen mode on the arcade version, however I doubt many arcades at the time were able to actually utilize it. Try finding an affordable big widescreen CRT during 1997 that'll fit into an arcade cabinet. I imagine that wasn't easy nor practical
KoF XIII looks incredible but I think Skullgirls is my favourite, purely based on how much character and flair they put into every single attack. For clarity purposes it's probably not the GREATEST but from an artistic standpoint I think it's gorgeous
I think you mean because of the *jiggle physics*
"We need graphics in games, otherwise we can't see"
~MauLer
I love Mauler!
@@automaticmonkTV Hell yeah! :D
Aurora Dash “A broken clock is right twice a day”
Is that actually a quote by him? lol that's funny! I have to wonder what the context was/how sarcastic he was being!
@@Alienrun I don't remember which video it was from, but if I'm not mistaken he was responding to the sentiment that graphics don't matter.
marvel vs capcom style graphics are my style. i like that old cartoonish look.
it's like fighting in a comic book.
+GamerMikko To me 3D elements and 2d sprites blend really well.
GamerMikko Lol I thought you were talking about Capcom vs Snk at first, I feel stupid.
I honestly havent seen so much footage of MvC2
+GamerMikko agreed. I hated 2's backgrounds
Except that one time when they turned into 3D celshaded turds
+Albert Wesker I can't look at it, the colors are like those shitty Marvel comic books from 90's. Not only the characters, but the UI as well. Also you can't see shit on the screen due to all the explosions
Garou - Mark of the Wolves
It got some of the best flowing 2D Animations
Somehow this video is just now being recommended to me, and I’m just now (five years later) seeing your comment, but as a gamer who also cares about graphics since I am an artist, I have to say: Garou’s graphics are quite nice, honestly! I’ve recently fallen in love with Garou. I hadn’t played a traditional fighting game before it, but now I love it so much that I’ve even added it to my stream schedule and play it on Fightcade with a friend every week. The game’s animations definitely flow very nicely and are very clean. Even the voice acting is surprisingly good.
The reason I say surprisingly is because Terry in every other King of Fighters and Fatal Fury game sounds worse in my opinion than Garou Terry. Sure, Garou Terry can sound a little drunk sometimes, but Terry’s lines in other games other than KoF14 (and funnily enough, Smash Bros) sound too over-exaggerated or forced and like they tried too hard.
@@faithssb that's a very interesting opinion because LOTS of KOF vets will say Terry's voice FF and KOF are more natural sounding then In KoF14(and Smash lol)
Honestly, out of every fighting game, I think that Super Smash Bros has some of the best animations (at least the newest games).
They balance out gameplay with character origins, move function, and a lot of other stuff, it’s really cool.
For me its kinda hard to say. When I think about animations I usually think about the coolest move a character has (their super) and I kinda feel like final smashes lack a lot of impact compared to other fighting games. I agree that they're above average, but I feel like they don't really compare to any arcsys game or 2D games like 3rd strike
@@LucDaMan4 kinda overrating
I personally think the older Smash games have the best animations, 64 and Melee you can really feel the punches, it started to feel flat when Brawl came out.
@@tmntlorefan7518 64 easily has the best sound design which helps make the punches feel really weighty
Guilty Gear Xrd pretty much makes me wish Blazblue having that appeal.
+Fresh 2D Toucher Buddies Well, I heard that for BlazBlue, ASW uses 3D models as a base for frame poses and then goes on to do the shading, which is part of the experimentation they did to accomplish cel shading. Who knows? Maybe a future BlazBlue title might make the 3D jump too.
GG was made in full-3D because they don't want to compete with their own franchise, it was stated during that longass conference. BB is going to stay 2D to keep that distinction.
+MeteorD Msyu Funny since Competition between BB and GG is basically war in the community.
KaZ Neosis
Like they give a shit, it only happens in the west because it's the only place where people genuinely bitch about characters being "too cute" or "too anime" in an anime fighter.
+MeteorD Msyu You get that in Japan too, remember the bullshit SF5 got by making Cammy look "too western"? Wasn't the first time either
For me Street Fighter 3 New generation and 2nd Impact are my favorite fighting games when it comes to ART and SOUND. I know everyone loves 3rd strike but the sounds in NG and 2I are amazing. Everything from the announcer to the sound effects and voice actors. The artwork is great too reminds me of SF2 World Warriors promo art.
Also X-Men COTA and Street Fighter Alpha 2 are great for visuals and sound.
+Sick Case Check out Warzard / Red Earth. One of the last crazy detailed games Capcom let out.
+Sick Case Agreed.
+Sick Case NG and 2I's voices always felt unnatural to me even though I played them before 3S.
In retrospect it's rather impressive they did a huge stage overhaul from SFIII to Third Strike. A shame all those other characters in the background related to characters will be forgotten. Ibuki had so much more potential than her personality in SFIV. All the varied Illuminati masks were cool too. Think about it. Gill has had 3 stages now. Pretty stellar thus far for invoking detail and stacking onto the mythos of the series.
+Sick Case + sean had that awesome double-hit dragon punch! :D they fucked that up in 3rd strike too
Look at KOF 14 graphics now.
They look gorgeous
They're heh
In some places they look decent but mostly characters look like they're made out of plastic.
Guilty Gear XRD is the best graphically
I think so too. I was really impressed about how they made a 3d fighting game so detailed and fluid.
no
tekken 7 is
Well it’s hard to match the perfect lines that computers can animate as opposed to people
It is, the mix up between polygons and cell shading sprites is superb quality and the gameplay is so awesome
I'd love it if Street Fighter returned to drawn sprites, I love Persona 4: Arena, BlazBlue: Central Friction, and Skull Girls for that very reason.
Same. Nothing beat the SF2 art style. It was all down hill since SF3 came out. Should have just kept remaking SF2 expansions. It had the perfect art style and should have just used that template forever.
Or at least pay homage to 2D animation better. Just look at how Guilty Gear's 3D installments purposefully emulate 2D sprite animation with smear frames and shit, it's amazing.
@@adameves5970 See, I think the SF3 style was amazing smooth hand drawn animations.
@@Akay4444444444444444 I would love Ghibli style fighting game.
@@adameves5970 SF3 has my favorite artstyle of the series to be honest.
I love 3rd Strike. The details are great, they convey emotions, and Yun looks drop dead cool. Lookin' to see if I can get a more modern game tho.
I like Tekken's graphics.
rip lei in t7
@@bboymox464 Say what?
Mace hhhhh never mind he's back lol
That's one of the Reasons why I wasn't a fan of SFV. They tried to knockoff Tekken (Hit Block Reactions) without actually understanding what the Tekken Series did to make that work.
Overhauling most of the charater's Move-sets definitely doesn't help.
EX is still The Best in 3D Street Fighting.
Tekken games almost always age badly yeah Tekken 7 looks good but Tekken 6 looks like shit even for the time. Tekken is fantastic for the gameplay.
The best fighting game graphics I have seen have to be from Skullgirls.
Draconian Alchemist yeyeyeye
No.....no its not.
Rockymann27 yeyeyeye
I agree for 2D sprites (not pixel sprited), but for pixel sprites I would say KOFXIII despite me not liking most of the character designs.
Rockymann27 that was just my opinion though
I personally love the artstyle of Skullgirls.
Guilty Gear Xrd is the best fighting game currently. Both gameplay and graphics are excellent. Disappointed you didn't mention it.
+Kempes SFA Agreed.
agreed. it does combos the best imo. still fun to watch and fun to play. everyone wins
gameplay is not competitive...but still fun
+axel valerian what?
+axel valerian Sure buddy
I can't see why people were complaining about the KOF XIV graphics, those look gorgeous to me. And sorry, but even after this, I'm not convinced, it seems you only proved how much better it makes it look, not how it improves the way it plays.
+Teenkitsune There's a saying, you can make the game look all pretty and flashy, it still plays like shit.
fl21id
Never saw the shit gameplay either.
I heard KOF XIV plays like XIII so that's a big positive. I don't really care about the graphics as long as the game plays good. Quality over quantity is the lesson here, seems like people don't even care about that.
+fl21id It's true, everyone forgets about the game itself as soon as they see the graphics. I remember a time when the game itself was what mattered most, graphics were just something to appreciate.
+Teenkitsune you didn't watch the video or you failed to comprehend his points
Good animations are important in fighting games so the player can easily understand what a move does and how it works just by looking at it and without looking up framedata and guides
Tatsunoko vs Capcom is an underrated classic.
Marcus Dupree Jones TRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUU
One of my all time favorite games, top 5, easily.
Yup
Markdeejay FACTSSSSSSS
Dead Or Alive 5: Last Round's graphics takes it for me. The amount of detail on the characters and the stages are great! The stage transitions and power blow specials that interact with the stages, add a lot of depths into the graphics. Debris, cans, and even coconuts falling from a tree to bonk your head. It's amazing.
In my opinion KOF 14 graphics aren't that bad!
kof 13 is better
@Epic Mage Which it is.
@Epic Mage You used past tense.
Blazblue is so fucking beautiful. The vivid, dynamic backgrounds and the sprites are just eye candy.
I hope BB and GG never go 3D!
+el_Principe uhhhh Guilty Gear already did go 3D. And it's the best looking fighting game of the last decade.
+Skeleton-chan Most people miss that it's 3D models rendered in 2D, like Smash's Game and Watch, but better executed
GG XRD do use 3D models.
I think the mid 360/PS3 era of graphics really impressed me. From MVC3's cel shaded style, to Tekken 6's high detail models, BB's sprite work, and DOA5's amazing visual presentation. Obviously in current gen it's even better, but i think it was back then when I really noticed that fighting games had reached the next level in terms of visuals, as it were. Nowadays, fighting games are as impressive to look at as much as play, which is a big deal for spectators who see what's going on and understand it more.
Skullgirls is probably my favorite graphically speaking. But the Samsho games have probably left the biggest impact on me in terms of graphics in fighting games.
I usually prefer 2D sprite based fighting games, my favourite being Street Fighter Alpha 3. But when I saw Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 I realised what 3D graphics in fighting games could be and that became my favourite.
I really like Tekken Tag 2 or Tekken 7 FR's graphics, I like how it mixes realistic and cartoon and so you get realistic looking characters that also look pretty and can still have over the top designs
The only way I could complain about graphics is when they straight up don't give the proper information about what's happening
Love the ink style used in Street Fighter 4.
and of course, Skullgirls has amazing graphics.
I don't see what's wrong with KOF XIII's graphics. They look fine to me.
They were too expensive and SNK almost went bankrupt. That's why they use 3D models in XIV
KOF XIV was the one people hated, mainly because it wasn't KOFXIII.
Jesus Zamora which is weird that people now are praising kof XIII all of the sudden when on release it had horrible sale numbers, had everyone back then gave their support for the game like they do now kof XIV might have also been sprite based.
@@joescannoli7660 exactly. KOF XIII looked absolutely stunning but nobody supported this game. Probably because KOF XII was a huge critical failure, so XIII didn't sell well either despite being a fantastic game.
KOF 13 looks INSANE, it easily has the best sprites I've seen in a videogame
•Guilty Gear and BlazBlue have awesome spirte work and graphic design in general.
•I actually like SFV's graphics, it looks kinda fancy.
•Soulcalibur III was the most beautiful Soulcalibur game before they moved to next gen, specially the stages. Check out Eurydice Shrine, or my personal favorite, Lost Cathedral. They're beautiful as hell.
•Soulcalibur IV gave us gloomy graphics and that's why I like them. The animations are also way better than SCIII's (those looked quite ankward, if you ask me).
•Tekken, in the other hand, has semi-realistic and attractive graphics.
•Dead or Alive always looked great and ahead of its time, honestly. Look at Dead or Alive 2, it aged incredibly.
•Under Night In-Birth Exe:Late looks cool too. I like that, ejem, "night" feel it has... I dunno how to explain myself.
Seychermanium eheheh 2 years later and heres you comment.😂😂 would like to add that New GG uses 3D models not 2D spritez
Why does no one talk about virtua fighter 5 anymore?
MrTheBroMoe it sucks pfft duh
3 Words: *Tekken Killed It*
@@joseurbina3835 Tekken didn't kill it's inspiration no it's Sega they don't let most of their franchises see the light of day that much unless it's Sonic, Yakuza or a Alien tie in game they are not interested.
I saw some vf5 gameplay a while ago by accident
And it looked really cool
So at least i know about it if that counts
@@dj_koen1265 VF really is cool. It's just a shame we haven't gotten a new game in years.
I love Guilty Gear Xrd, too. It had style, beauty and really helps to give dept into the characters. Besides, i am a huge fan of 2D graphics and GGxrd cell shading emulates it so well.
persona 4 arena ultimax. it's a spin-off of another series but it still has since beautiful visuals
melty blood and dbfz graphics literally great
I like the 2-D animation. MvC2 looks great even though its been around for a while.
I really like skullgirls, in terms of graphics and gameplay. But I also adore 3D cel shaded stuff like GG XRD or Dragon Ball Fighterz.
Speaking of SF3, games with their own "SF3" production also got me hooked and I am very strong fans of it.
Garou: Mark of the Wolves was the pinnacle of the Garou/Fatal Fury series. It had beautiful sprites and animation that expressed all the characters. From veteran older Terry Bogard, to younger upstart Rock Howard, the waifish small Hotaru Futaba, The stern bruising Gato and even the lively B. Jenet. They all stick out very well.
martial masters also was a very fluidly animated game. Very nice to look at in action.
Third Strike has the most smooth and fancy sprite animations of any SF game...which makes for a great gameplay because it's a sheer pleasure to strike a good combo, and see how everything just fits great
Dead or Alive 3 is one game I truly admire graphically. It blew my mind, when I first saw it in 2001. It still holds up well to this day.
DBFZ has my favourite graphics. It’s amazing how arc system works recreated the anime art style
Arc System Works style of FG’s are my favorite thing ever. It’s literally orgasmic.
high definition 2d sprites are my favorite in fighting games, something like blazblue for example. I've invested most of my time in Melee and sm4sh, i would love if they were sprite based instead of 3d.
Blazblue has nice sprite art
At least central fiction
We also need to consider the actual implementation of 2D and 3D graphics for fighting games. KOF 2D is way ahead of KOF 3D. Street Fighter 2D and 3D are both explored and evolved nicely. Street Fighter Alpha 3D was not great, but decent back then.
Tekken has always been 3D, like DOA also, it is good that way.
I actually prefer 2D sprite fighters when it comes to graphics. good stuff
Yeah. I feel that when Street Fighter went 3D it lost most of its animation charm as well as color; going into realism for the heck of it.
For some reason this channel reminds me of Every Frame A Painting.
+BlackMasamune X
I noticed it too. It's an in-depth video essay with a chill voice over.
+BlackMasamune X For a second I thought it WAS the same guy!
This is my introduction to your channel and, I gotta say, I'm invested. You got yourself a new subscriber
I would like to see the entire video where they took the sequence at 2:12 from. So that we can see the secret behind the special moves in Street Fighter 1.
It's from the documentary I Am Street Fighter. It's free to watch on youtube.
I liked old SNK beautifulsprites with all their details. I also liked the Srteet Fighters vs Marvel.
I really miss old SNK
: (
my favorite graphics are in Art of Fighting 2 for neo geo. I just wish it were hd and had more frames of animation. I love the art style and zooming effects
Good stuff as always mate!
These vids are rly well made.
I started playing fighting games like 22 years ago with SF2, Primal Rage, Ninja Turtles etc on my Sega Mega Drive. Once the Dreamcast was released FG graphics got to a whole new lvl - DoA2 & Soul Calibur were so much ahead of it's time graphically wise and I gotta say that I am rly impressed how much the graphics have improved in FGs these days.
I wonder how far the developers can push next gen graphics - let me say in 10 years from now - SF8 and MK12.
Thanks for sharing this and keep up the good work.
+LiangHuBBB Yeah, I remember how awesome Dreamcast graphics were when it first came out, though I mostly played MvC2 on it.
Love the graphics on Soul Calibur 4 and Soul Calibur 5. When someone gets hurt on those games, you can see it clearly. And the special moves on those games look bad ass.
God, there isn't a single bad Core-A video. Top tier shit my dude.
Kof 97 is te best for me! Everything is perfect in there and I love pixelart!
The storyline in '97 was phenomenal!
Yea man, '97 is really good! See my first KOF was '96, and I thought that was pretty good already, but '97 is such a great improvement. Almost every future KOF game progressed for the better :) I'm loving 2002 at the moment
Although it's no match for something like Skullgirls, Touhou: Antimony of Common Flowers has some great animation and sprites
Hey, I'm one of those guys who, upon finding such a cool channel cannot believe how he didn't spot it earlier. I'm seriously impressed by the sheer amount of insight you provide in your videos. Fantastic job! Even though I grew up playing fighting games, especially SF and MK back in the 90's all the way to mid 00's, I cannot remember when was the last time I have played any of it, but in terms of visual features, I agree with you, SF3 is my favorite as well. The point I wanted to share here, and I hope I won't sound dubious, is next: beautiful graphics is more important than the high-end graphics. For example, comic book style, cartoony graphics can be much more appealing and can be hell of a lot more atmospheric and vivid than real life photo-realistic based graphics with ultra sharp details and realistic visual representation, because it offers more room for exaggeration, which is a major artistic element, hence it can conjure up things more expressively and most definitely make our imagination running wild. Cheers!
My favourite graphics in fighting games are SF Alpha 3, GG Xrd Revelator and MK X.
I love how Ryu has the exact same stance for years lol
if the path to destiny ain't broke, don't fix it
KOF 13 looked and played like a well researched peer reviewed scholarly article. My personal favorite
Versus games like Capcom vs SNK 2 is beyond a shadow of a doubt the way versus games should be. Characters, different meters, backgrounds and the sheer fun it produces. You can’t go wrong at all with that game
Skullgirls prettiest game
The Shanghai Yankee best animations in a 2D fighting game !
Ai did you seen guilty gear xrd
Where does Skullgirls fit into this?
My favorite graphical game is MK9, I just loved how everything was moving in the background and the way everyone looked. I know the new ones look better now but Damn I was impressed back then.
I love what guilty gear did. It really shows how much KOF felt like it fell flat compared to the huge jump GG made.
Melty Blood series has great 2D sprites.
I still play third strike as my main for a reason, and I do own 5, I'm getting into fighter z tho
Yeah without graphics there won't be physics in Tekken and DoA
Ive always like Guilty Gear and Tekken/Virtua Fighter.
Very interesting, for some reason I got recommended it 4 years late.
When I heard they were making SFIV, I was expecting a better SF3, what we got was an updated SF EX
In a more general sense, I think good graphics indicate that a certain level of love and care was applied in making the game; it wasn't just made by soulless developers looking to cash in on your nostalgia, it was made by people who cared enough to do the game and its characters justice
I love Arc-Sys 2D sprite work. GG XX Reload sprites are pretty nice, but I also enjoy the Persona 4 Ultimax, as well as the Blazblue Continuum shift sprites. Yeah let's just say I enjoy Arc-Sys sprites
Guilty great Xrd... nuff said!
The 3d models lacks some of the old spirits detail but oh boy do these 3d models look good.(even though I'd have like them to move more fluidly)
I think that melee has showed us all that graphics don't matter to a game
+jaime lopez Melee has good graphics though.
+LukeMM95 yeah melee has great graphics, it just doesn't look good on video
+LukeMM95 Yoshi is nasty in Melee though
+Charlie Solark lol to me ganon's face is the most wonky looking
Rumford Chimpenstein You have to thank Ocarina of Time for that design lol
at a base level it affects how well you're able to see what's going on.
I like the graphics of Dragon Ball FighterZ! It recreates the 2d anime art style with 3D models! But I play for both the graphics AND gameplay.
Hey Core-A-Gaming will you be going to Final Round?
+KamenKami We're based in Korea so it's not likely, but I do plan on going to Evo 2016. Follow me twitter @coreagaming if you want to keep up to date :)
+Core-A Gaming dude what do you think about Tekken why everyone ignores Tekken
+Core-A Gaming don't get me wrong i saw Tekken crash videos and i think that doesn't even belong to you or i take you as a SF fan only
Because Tekken is the toughest fighting game to learn.
+sadetwizelve Maybe atm but overall I'd say virtua fighter made tekken seem easy to learn.
As far as graphics in fighting games, I'm gonna call an obscure one and say Touhou Scarlet Weather Rhapsody (plus the Hisoutensoku expansion) probably have some of the best graphics in fighting games ever. The high-res energy projectiles plus the sort of pixel-y character designs just fuse so well for some reason.
Hey Core-A! What you're talking about is actually aesthetics, not graphics. Graphics are the technical capabilities that the game shows off, while aesthetics are the choices that go into color palette, animations, character and setting design. For example you mention Street Fighter III at the end of the video as your favorite graphics in fighting games. However, the graphics are clearly worse than that of say Street Fighter IV. But perhaps there's something about the aesthetics and how that information is communicated to you that pleases you more in III than IV. Though I've never played any of the KoF games, I can guess that the negative response to the new trailers is due to the aesthetic not meshing well with the actual gameplay, even though the graphics are clearly better than older gamesi n the franchise, which is also something you mentioned.
Great video, just thought I'd make that correction.
+Kevino Put another way, graphics are your toolset, and aesthetics is how a designer uses that toolset. A pro with lesser tools can create a better product than an amateur with a wider toolset.
+Kevino Thanks, you make some good points. I guess I lumped graphics and aesthetics into just the term graphics lol.
+Kevino I agree this also goes for games that were highly successful that did NOT make major graphical "improvements" to there games for example King of Fighter series. Funny you did not show the timeline of classic KOF series how the sprites remained the same, but altered gameplay was improved each installment. It comes down to aesthetics, and "good" graphics do not matter in fighting games.