Definitely a giant suck. Moonswatch itself. It paints wrists. It's the worst of all s*, what changes? It may have finished the Swatch Group./ To simplify creativity turning into factory design is something else, a true sign of time, smth about AP, Casio, cheaper Swatch, Aliexpress parts. Not Moonswatch. Forget about it, it's an utter shame.
They’re not for me. Prefer a traditionally style watch. Maybe it will provide for a downturn in vintage watches and I can have a field day #toomanygimmicks
The moonswatch was the only chance swatch had of me ever, ever, ever buying one of their watches. And after saying they would sell it to me, they decided not to. Their loss.
Exactly this. I was ready to buy one, except they decided they didn't want to sell it. Well, i guess a 40th anniversary Gshock will be a better substitute.
One of the first watch I bought with my own money was a Swatch irony, it was aluminum and I was impressed by the lightness of it, my dad had a good laugh: "200$ for that" (still laughing in his grave probably) I got a citizen Eco drive titanium a couple of years later and it was kinda proper, it was the spark I needed.
@@Monkeyboy2457 I got one after many "just passing by" attempts, but when I actually got it I was like I have a Speedmaster I don't need this. The hype was real. Flipped it for a steak dinner profit.
Thing is, traditional watchmaking is a technology long past it's usefulness. Quartz saw to that, so the industry had to reinvent itself as something else - no longer a need, but a luxury. As a result, prices went up to reflect this new position, which was fine as long as those prices stayed relatively attainable but in recent years they've soared. Rolex is no longer something to save up for to celebrate a milestone. AP, Vacheron and Patek are pipedream watches. Even entry-level Omegas have crept up and up. But with the 2008 credit crunch, the aftermath of the pandemic, the current conflict in Europe and what looks a major recession on the way, most people are struggling to afford life's necessities like food and housing. Watches are nonexistent on the radar for the vast majority - and it's this vast majority that the watchmaking companies need to attract if they want to sell enough product to remain in business. In the meantime, quartz watches have been replaced by smartphones that do pretty much everything. Walkmans used to be everywhere; now people have smartphones. The same goes for digital cameras, pocket calculators and handheld gaming consoles. So if they no longer have any technological relevance, and having repositioned themselves as a luxury item fewer and fewer people can afford, how can the industry now reinvent itself again? Moreover, is it even possible for most of them to do that without sacrificing the gains they made post-quartz?
Smartphones but not so much a smart person as they blindly walk into the road or down the street staring at their phones. Besides they are disposable items that do nothing for the environment.
@@garyboyle695 agreed, although the same argument regards being disposable and environmentally unfriendly could be applied to quartz watches. But the overall issue for traditional watchmaking still stands. There are more independent brands coming out than ever, and collectors are often looking to diversify their collections - but the industry as a whole, and especially the bigger brands and conglomerates, can't rely on the largesse of wealthy collectors because there's not enough money there to sustain everyone. The overwhelming majority of watch sales are to ordinary people buying their first (and often, only) watch. If those buyers aren't there, then the industry faces a genuine extinction event that would make the "quartz crisis" look like a minor blip.
In a survival environment or even war wrist watches are a must since you don't know if you can even charge your phone. Also I don't like pulling my phone from the pocket to just checl the time and it's easier to look at a wristwatch. A watch is a man's jewelry too and I love wearing something that is basically a tiny machine on my wrist
I am writing this wearing my moonswatch, and I can say that I am thankful for this because it opened my eyes to the wonderful world of mechanical and fancy watches. First I bought it just following the trend. Then I started checking reviews on this watch. So I learned that it's based on a popular omega speedmaster. And that led me to learn more about the speedmaster and other models and brands. Two weeks later, I bought my first mechanical watch. A Hamilton khaki field, and I am loving it.
“Like I like the notion of not being able to tell the date, because today is a mushroom day” There’s a line I didn’t expect to hear from you Andrew. It just goes to show, you really are a fungi! 😂
Moonswatch was the reason I started learning about watches and that's what brought me here eventually. So it is a means to reach out to younger audiences. Everyone will eventually decide if he sticks to what got his attention in the first place or move to something more interesting... like this video
I think Rolex's current situation (restricted supply, long wait times, absurd secondary prices) will put a lot of new watch fans off. To me, Rolex was the brand that you bought yourself when you achieved a milestone, and the blanket advertising motorsport, tennis etc wont let you forget it. Yet the reality of the experience is deflating; walking in to a dealer only to be told there's nothing to even try on, let alone buy, and you'll have to wait months or longer. That's where many people will just walk away completely, or others (like me) find another brand that actually sells beautiful watches and begin a relationship with that brand.
I fully agree with you, Rolex can go F… themselves. Living in LA I am now interested in the sub 5k range. For one I wont get mugged for whatever I am wearing and two, a would be Rolex budget can afford me a ton of fun, cheap watches.
I already rocked Omega prior to the moonswatch and I was thrilled with its release. The pastel colors at a cheap price point are what really does it for me. I am perfectly fine with this kind of innovation and hope to see other creative lines of effort in the future.
The MoonSwatch to me is a genuine breath of fresh air. Something fun and unique. What is not fun is Tag just sticking Mario icons on a watch or Seiko's Street Fighter editions. Swatch and Omega did more than sticking icons on a face. I hope this sparks a trend of more fun stuff from the industry but I'm not holding my breath.
“Face tattoo without the pressure of a cartel!” says so much, all without sounding critical or superior towards a group that do what youth have always done, rush for the emblem of the experienced sailor, without wasting time or risk loss, to achieve it. As for Omega’s Moon Swatch or AP’s latest call; it’s healthy to be open to new experiences, so long as the experience itself does not carry away the quality won by the hard work of time (no pun intended, of-course). Or, put in the way you would describe it: When Gordon Ramsay offers to bring hamburgers over for dinner, you trust that he is not thinking about stopping of at McDonalds on the way…
For me, I bought a moonswatch, and that started me down a path of loving time pieces. Now I have a real speedmaster and a bunch of other great time pieces. So job well done omega!
The Moonswatch went from being in my “must buy” list, to been entirely forgottten. Since I couldn’t buy it, I bought some watches that were readily available and far more interesting. Now, I not only lost all interest in the Moonswatch, but I lost interest in the entire swatch brand. Long live mechanical and automatic watches!
Ultimately it's down to what people are prepared to buy at a price point. Moon swatch was a big brand logo and design in a fun housing, at a small cost. If it had been $1000 plus just how many people would have been waiting in the line to buy it, one wonders. The more the cost of the watch, the more we expect a serious watch! Just my humble opinion of course! Great thought provoking points Andrew, cheers :)
You put more consideration into this video than conservative mp's choosing a prime minister! Great viewpoint. Nice call out on Bremont too. I like their watches; I used to own one. But even as someone who warms to the brand, I am cringing at the shameless rip off they've just released.
A great episode again! I'm so happy to found your other channel! When I listened Watchfinder I always wondered who this pleasant voice could be? The funny fact is, I found a short interview with you on a channel I follow (Watches with Abdullah) and I searched for your name and finally found this channel. I have to tell you, (for me) you are the most professional watch content maker I have ever seen! The professionalism and enthusiasm you put together the videos is impressive! And you are the most mentioned vlogger on the popular Hungarian watch channel! (Kronometer). Thanks for your work and keep going!
What kids (with money) like these days are... watches you can freaking get at MSRP without having to beg and/or wait for years! THAT'S what we want (not being a rich kid, but a watch enthusiast). I want a Rolex, AP and PP without the stupid way it's being handled right now. Give me a proper way of a waiting list by putting down 10-25% of the MSRP and in exchange getting a guaranteed spot on the production list. EXACTLY that's what me and thousands of others want. Not some BS nonsense talk and new models of watches made from unobtainium... EASY.
For me Bremont have pushed their prices up over the last 2 years to where they are too expensive for what you get and I feel they are not competitive against the likes of Tudor, Longines, Breitling and even Omega. They make all very similar looking models. With the Moonswatch the initial look was appealing until you actually felt and handled the watch and realise they are rubbish. I wish Omega would build on that hype and make some of their own moonwatch models, quartz with the funky colours I think they would be big hitters especially if the price was in the £1000-£2000 mark.
Precisely. Why push products made of rare and precious commodities, which are expensive to produce,when people are so dim witted that they can be engaged to trade, cheap, plastic crap at luxury prices? The Swatch / Omega exercise tested the theory and the idiots fell in line. It is proof positive that stupidity is incurable and it is the vast majority who have caught it.
You are probably the best "watch/haute horlogerie" youtuber to date. Hope you receive the recognition you deserve, and never run out of content to share with us 😍
Well I don’t mind a little fun and quirk in a watch, but at the same time there is a thin line to keep it classy and timeless. I think we are going to see a trend of watches in general getting way cheaper and be even more divided into tiers than now, every brand will have a cheap alternative for their expensive aspiration watches just to keep the cashflow in these troubling times. I’m no market expert but that’s my thoughts on the future, unfortunately I think a lot of newer brands or resurrected brands will fall off
"Now, I don't know if you've met people, but I have, and I generally wouldn't take any kind of advice from them". You win. Funniest line of the week in the UA-cam watch space. On a separate note, I hated the MoonSwatch but I otherwise don't mind this trend. Because that's what it is, a trend. At some point the pendulum will swing back to more conservative, comfortable and, dare I say it, stuffy watch designs. All that being said, the date window on the that sectorish dial on the Bremont Supernova is pretty unattractive. Why would I want pay that much money for what amounts to an homage to the worst design element of the Citizen Promaster Tough.
'Like I like the notion of not being able to tell the date because today is a mushroom instead'. This sentence perfectly sums up today's watch industry!
Concerning the $3k and $20k Mario watches or the Black Panther watch. The problem (if you want to call it a problem) is that we've become a society of man-children. People don't grow up and mature the way they did in previous generations. I'm in my early 50's. My office is loaded with collectable crap made of colorful plastic. Shelves of action figures, die-cast cars, sports memorabilia and so-on. When I was growing up in the 1970s, my old man had no interest toys. Today, I have friends that go crazy for Legos, while their small children are playing video games on the TV. Men collected adult stuff, like coins and stamps way back then. The few nerdier guys back then played with trains. So the $3k Mario watch is just a product of our times. Yup. They're targeting adults. A perfect example. Kevin O'leary of Shark Tank's favorite watch is a Speedmaster with Snoopy on the dial. My father would never wear something with a Snoopy on it.
(late 50s here) Yeah they did, and they were generally very miserable, pent up people who were terrified of not being seen as "manly" enough, (or feminine enough) few had any emotional bond with their family, men and women were handed a list of "acceptable" hobbies, and if you broke from that list or transgressed its gender lines you were considered eccentric if you were rich, or just nuts if you were poor. I'm still doing the same stuff I was doing in the 80s, but I just bought a PlayStation 4 for Japanese rhythm games. We have game systems, anime stuff, we go to amusement parks conventions, retro game shopping. None of these are "mature adult" activities. But I remember the "mature adults" of my childhood., they came home had a few "highballs" watched TV till Carson went off the air and went to bed. I'm into Hatsune Miku right now, the few friends my age don't get it, but I'm running out of time to have fun. Being "mature" is overrated, and usually a euphemism for too old and tired to have fun.
@@DanaTheInsane Well aware of that. For years my UA-cam user icon was the "Safety Is In Your Hands" logo. www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/7-sfa_snoopy_poster-2.jpg
@@DanaTheInsane Think about this. Carrol O'Connor and Jean Staplton were only 47 when All in the Family went on the air. When the first version if the show was cancelled, he was only 55. 55!! They both looked t least 10-15 years older.
I think the moonswatch differs because they provide a similar aesthetic (arguably) to the heritage brand, it's kept at arm's length in terms of features and quality. It's a well executed PR move. The AP and Mario Kart examples come much closer to risking dilution of the brand's image and show a much clearer lack of direction from upper management. For decades, the watches have sold themselves. Now, forced to innovate outside of the mechanics of a watch, they're struggling. I do have faith that it'll all level out though. I also don't own a watch so my opinion is less than worthless.
Nicely done, Andrew. Whatever the established cabal pump out at the unexpectedly loaded, they will always occasionally imagine a thing of true beauty for the rest of us. Let's just hope not too many people notice...
Just wanted to say, having got into watches for the first time a few months ago, I love this channel having watched your OG channel. Good to see a face and great script.
I think luxury brands are paying a smart game at the moment (not one I like though). They are all following the “hype” model that the youth are into at the moment, like you get with sneakers or Crypto assets etc. Perfect example is moonswatch or rolex which you pretty much cannot buy and sell above retail. However only the cool successful people in the world gets them so if you want to be cool and successful you better do your best to try get one. My personal opinion is that it totally puts me off and I think how can this be sustainable, but it seems to work for RM and fashion items like Jordan’s and Yeezys.
Majority of younger people I work with wear Apple watches with many functions, I had a conversation the other day that my watch only has one function and what's the point in that. I guess there is an attempt to reach the Apple watch wearer's with the watches you mentioned. Personally I share your opinion.
The video raises a very interesting question. I am by all accounts a Millennial, barely but I still am. This places me not as a young professional, but in the middle of my career. Having loved watches my whole life, I could not afford them, a thought that stuck with me from my ramen eating days as a young working man. This all changed when I saw the Openback Moonwatch in Saphire, and fell in love. A love doomed as by default the price was too high without even seeing it. Then I saw the same watch, with a price advertised that made me do double take, the Moonswatch. The cheap bastard love child of the beautiful Professional edition. Sadly it can’t be bought, as there is no stock. So with my eyes opened I went shopping, and got a beautiful Longines, witch is now my pride and joy. Something to be said for going and seeing all the watches in hand at a reputable dealer, massive difference between staring at them on screen. That being said, without that Moonswatch, I would have always just remained an fan, observing and appreciating from a distance.
I think uniqueness will be a valuable commodity. So the future of watch making might be in two directions relating to customisation of watches. One approach is ordering a bespoke, high-end watch to your exact specification, and they build it for you. The other is to order a kit and assemble it yourself. You could get a watch movement, a case back, sapphire crystal, and a USB stick containing a variety of files to enable you to 3d-print different shapes and sizes of watch case. Imagine you may only need one movement, and you can fit it to different cases to suit your needs.
You just went right to the point, in my view. Like in a ton of other industries, watchmaking seems a bit lost in this transition time. I feel exactly the same as you so well put. And... That's the smartwatch industry in this mix as well. How to solve the puzzle? I agree. People in these companies don't seems to know the answer. Trouble? Maybe not. I'd rather think of it as an opportunity. A general opportunity for everyone. Great analysis!
Seems like known quality luxury watches are pivoting towards fashion trends deluxe watches. AP's Royal Oak music watch similarity to George Bamford's Casio G-Shock collaboration would have you thinking. 🤔 I could be wrong. 🤔
All we want are top quality ( or what is considered luxury grade ) products at an affordable price Before Apple ( not a fan ) it was Nokia who dared to ask for 2000 usd on a phone made from glass and steel ( Nokia Art ) or even more, like Vertu line. Then the iPhone 4 came out at 400 usd and Nokia vanished. Now people stay in line for a copy of a speedmaster. I hope AP will release a superb timepiece for roughly 1000 usd. It will sell like hotcakes
cool fun watches and the old school classics can coexist. Honestly, the sheer enthusiasm for the moonswatch was just so cool to see. Like an iPhone release. I'd never wear one, but it wasn't marketed to me. The more people that get into watches the more diversity we will see which is awesome, instead of retreads over and over and over.
Also, I think the rise of pixelated NFT art is showing us how much we are moving away from sophisticated and thought-provoking art forms into something quick. Watches are viewed today like fast-food and Tiktok.
I think the mood is actually changing away from that. Just look at the history of Fossil's stock, the king of „fast-watches“. I think way more people are getting into luxury watches especially young people like myself.
Omega also put out a series of Speedmaster’s in precious metals just before the MoonSwatch. Edit: we also had Mickey Mouse watches when we were kids and now I finally own an Omega SMP 300m and have just started the down the rabbit hole!
I think that old and elegant brands should remain true to themselves and not have identity issues . I know that things change and culture changes as well .. I thought that the Omega Moonswatch venture was brilliant and fun...initially. I have since been changed by how the availability and mode of purchase issues . This on top of the Rolex mystery is too much.
The Swiss need to play to their strong suits: finish, craft, precision, luxury, brand yesyesyesyesetc. Leave the cool stuff to countries that don't revere fondue and yodelling.
I love the Octo. Fantastic watch. And the sketch is great. But Bvlgari ain’t perfect. That NFT watch made me lose a lot of respect for them. You must admit that watch was horrible.
New watcher here (sorry). I want to make an observation about asking the customers what they want/make their own designs. It’s now a few years since I was pondering what would appeal to consumers in the field in which I make my living (which is tv but that’s not important to the conclusion I came to). I watch tv and go to movies and theatre and rock/pop gigs and what I realised that I want is the experience which makes me go “fuck me, that’s brilliant, I would never have thought of that”. As a consumer, I couldn’t possibly tell the producers/actors/writers/musicians what they could do to provide me with that experience, so don’t waste your time asking the audience. Incidentally, I have a Junghans Max Bill on my wrist at this moment, but a couple of weeks ago I was at the Frieze art fair and Breguet had a stand. I was very moved by how exquisite their watches are. So now that is what I want. I cannot afford what I want right now but I’m sure that one day I will be spending a lot of money so that I can own such a beautiful device.
@@AndrewMorganWatches thanks for the encouragement, I'm new to watches but not new to collecting and in my other interests I know to go for what appeals to me and not what other people say is the right thing to get. TBH, I can see myself being distracted by a couple of other brands, based upon design rather than complications to be honest [Cartier I'm looking at you ;-) ]
With the price of luxury watches just going up and up ( RRP - wise, not grey), how many young people can afford them anyway? The Mario idea just seems truly idiotic and that Bremont actually made me sad. Why did they need to be such flagrant plagiarists when they already have a well established, albeit overpriced, aesthetic? I had no idea AP was taking suggestions, but I’ll get out my crayons 🖍️!
Nice to finally put a face to the voice. For my part, Ill continue to buy Longines Tanks and the once in 10 years higher end piece. ill croak and the people who come after me will pick their favorite ( or perhaps, none at all) and that will be that. Good luck trying to sort out this new lot. I havent a clue.
I was having a cup of favourite hot beverage not much focusing on tube, just hovering over this video. When I heard the familiar voice I made spontaneous physics experiment and now I’m exploring new career possibilities in cleaning industry as intern. Also I need a new coffee cup. Maybe that equals to nice.
I do welcome the brands asking on what is next. Maybe a sign of desperation, but getting your users, specially new generation, providing input is not only a humble but a clevere decision.
Love the contents and the comments on brands staying 'relevant' vs genuinely having fun. Must say though, with dark clouds truly on the horizon, there's more prices correction coming and people will stick with the proven brands and models.
My concern...to whom I will be inheriting my watches? The Apple Watch and the watch displayed by an IPhone are killing the need for having something different. IPhone killed the camera industry and is killing the need for spending in a watch rather than giving that money to charity...(that is what this generation believes in) so, bioceramic, cheap manufacturing, mass behaviour, fashion and overall hype and purchase experience is what new generations are looking for. My Rolex, my Tudors and my Omegas will probably be sold on ebay at the price I told my wife I bought them....
It's about hype and limited release, just like the shoe market. Scalpers seal the deal. Other swatch limited releases are the same...they sell out fast. It's just that people who never bought swatch never noticed.
I'm part of the younger generation and honestly.. the watch makers should give a damn what this generation thinks. Old values getting more precious than ever before and the attitude of some youngsters can easily be thrown into the garbage bin.
I'm trying to figure out which watch would be the iconic watch design from the last 10 years, like some of Genta's designs were very 1970s, and I can't think of a single one. Is there anything I missed, or are the watch manufacturers out of ideas?
Apple watch or perhaps Fitbit? Not a luxury item in the same way as a genta watch, but not cheap either, and will potentially be the most iconic watch of 2015-2025.
I really enjoy hearing your thoughts and considered opinions; they resonate with me a lot. What a conundrum the (traditional mechanical) watch industry is in; there seems no strategy, apart from try something bonkers or stick one’s head in the sand and carry on. Must admit, I’m getting a bit bored of it, and starting to turn to cracking micro brands such as Autodromo, who have a focus and genuine passion that I can relate to. Don’t get that from a Rolex
If you think about it, the first time your average next Gen kids looked at a watch, Daniel Wellington (yuck) was shoving itself all over their social feed. That DW is going to be their nostalgia. The watch that makes them say "Oh I saved up for one of those". An experience Omega/Swatch nailed on the head. I don't think slapping pop culture onto five figure watches will sell watches to the next gen. It's the watches that can create an actual relationship with younger people with a price they can actually afford thats gonna be remembered.
You are correct that the issue if there is one is generational. Within each generation there always has been the masses who just wanted a watch to know the time and manage your day, now we have mobile phones to do that for us. Also within each generation we have a smaller percentage who like finer things and those who have the money to buy these finer things. These people, who are now from a much wider global pot, will mix their purchases from 'old classics' to newer experiments but still from the 'luxury' market. As markets emerge from China to India and the like , the numbers of affluent people who wish to buy niche and classic products associated with success is growing exponentially across the globe. So I think that there will always be a thriving quality watch market, Switzerland just need to get their marketing to the correct continents and stop flogging the West with 30 ish versons of Moonwatch and countless versions of Submarimers. On the flip side of 'luxury' there is always mass market and we will as in every industry, see attention spans reduce, people wanting things 'their way' as in the burger market for want of a clear example. i suggest that manufacturers go towards customised / personalised watches, sold on pre order sales so that they can get the numbers correct. This would add a new sector to the market. Worth a thought ?
Demand is strong but new watches cant sell because they become too expensive amid supply chain issue and inflation. Brands decided to reach those customers who are left out by offering cheaper alternatives...like PRX and defy skyline to fill the void left by Royal Oak, moonswatch to fill the void left by the speedy, new superocean decided not to upgrade its movement to keep cost low, chronomaster sport to fill the void left by daytona, grand seiko to fill the void left by datejust... and even Rolex joined the game by offering the flash bezel on Pelagos 39 to fill the void left by the modern sub.
i think it is not about new generation. It's about global ecinomic crisis , which already strated and will develop hugely during time. When we are in crisis, brands should think how to stay relevant , how to compete between each orher for very limited paying ability of audience.
The luxury watchmakers are actually selling more watches than they ever have, so economically they are fine. It’s just those sales are coming from an aging audience, and the increasing prices aren’t helping appeal to younger audiences either!
Some people understand the beauty of quality watches and some don’t. If you chase after what youth wants it’s a tricky proposition. In general few people actually know what they want. If you go down the focus group path you’re done. Brands now do listen to consumers more than in years past but really can’t let actually design watch dials. Come to think of it Gerald Genta had a committee design watches for him. Not really. A computer program did.😊
The traditional luxury watch market is dwindling as its supporting generation is dying out, even though at the moment the more accute issue is a recession. As a challenge for high end watch makers to survive: how about making watches with smartwatch capabilities which you do not have to put on a charger every other day because it is solar or hand wound or... You need to cut some of the energy wastage of a smartwatch, but if you focus on the right functionality to keep you could have a real winner on your hand
Me before the _M_oonswatch: a Rolex Milgauss. Me after the hype: Gettin' interested in watches, now: A Cartier Santos, a Tudor GMT G/S, a Tudor Chrono G/S, the Heuer Montreal 160th anniversary, the Santos blue large, the JLC Reverso Duo, the Omega Seamaster 300m in Sedna Gold, the Nomos Autobahn and the Nomos Tetra, a Brew Retromatic and a Rolex Sub in blue S/G. and a Panerai Luminor Due. Thank you, Swatch and Omega, gettin me addcitet to this!
To me, it seems like a simple swing of the pendulum. Things trend a little fun, then back to serious... then back to fun, and back to serious. This time, the pendulum really swung hard towards fun, which means we can all probably expect an equally heavy swing back to serious, once the fun wears off.
Hang on a minute. I thought the MoonSwatch was marketing Genius, going to inspire generations of luxury watch buyers, and be available online any day now? 😂
@@paulpeabody3281 Omega fanboys are toxic and it’s been amazingly good entertainment seeing them run around like headless chickens over this. I do feel sorry for genuine Omega fans who are upset though. It just highlights how they put far too much importance on nonsense about the moon, rather than the watch on their wrist.
Is the MoonSwatch a sign of something sucky going on or do you think it’s the beginning of a great new era?
Definitely a giant suck. Moonswatch itself. It paints wrists. It's the worst of all s*, what changes? It may have finished the Swatch Group./ To simplify creativity turning into factory design is something else, a true sign of time, smth about AP, Casio, cheaper Swatch, Aliexpress parts. Not Moonswatch. Forget about it, it's an utter shame.
look at the RM smiley face and think twice :)
Look at AP's Royal Oak music watch similarity to George Bamford's Casio G-Shock collaboration and you'll be thinking. 🤔
They’re not for me. Prefer a traditionally style watch. Maybe it will provide for a downturn in vintage watches and I can have a field day #toomanygimmicks
The only stupidity compared to Moonswatch is Gucci selling blackface masks
The moonswatch was the only chance swatch had of me ever, ever, ever buying one of their watches. And after saying they would sell it to me, they decided not to. Their loss.
Exactly this. I was ready to buy one, except they decided they didn't want to sell it. Well, i guess a 40th anniversary Gshock will be a better substitute.
@@DerpEye
Smart choice.
Swiss watches are overrated.
Same here. I wanted to buy one but they did not want to sell one to me. I've lost interest in them now.
One of the first watch I bought with my own money was a Swatch irony, it was aluminum and I was impressed by the lightness of it, my dad had a good laugh: "200$ for that" (still laughing in his grave probably) I got a citizen Eco drive titanium a couple of years later and it was kinda proper, it was the spark I needed.
@@Monkeyboy2457 I got one after many "just passing by" attempts, but when I actually got it I was like I have a Speedmaster I don't need this.
The hype was real.
Flipped it for a steak dinner profit.
Thing is, traditional watchmaking is a technology long past it's usefulness. Quartz saw to that, so the industry had to reinvent itself as something else - no longer a need, but a luxury. As a result, prices went up to reflect this new position, which was fine as long as those prices stayed relatively attainable but in recent years they've soared. Rolex is no longer something to save up for to celebrate a milestone. AP, Vacheron and Patek are pipedream watches. Even entry-level Omegas have crept up and up. But with the 2008 credit crunch, the aftermath of the pandemic, the current conflict in Europe and what looks a major recession on the way, most people are struggling to afford life's necessities like food and housing. Watches are nonexistent on the radar for the vast majority - and it's this vast majority that the watchmaking companies need to attract if they want to sell enough product to remain in business.
In the meantime, quartz watches have been replaced by smartphones that do pretty much everything. Walkmans used to be everywhere; now people have smartphones. The same goes for digital cameras, pocket calculators and handheld gaming consoles.
So if they no longer have any technological relevance, and having repositioned themselves as a luxury item fewer and fewer people can afford, how can the industry now reinvent itself again? Moreover, is it even possible for most of them to do that without sacrificing the gains they made post-quartz?
Smartphones but not so much a smart person as they blindly walk into the road or down the street staring at their phones. Besides they are disposable items that do nothing for the environment.
@@garyboyle695 agreed, although the same argument regards being disposable and environmentally unfriendly could be applied to quartz watches. But the overall issue for traditional watchmaking still stands. There are more independent brands coming out than ever, and collectors are often looking to diversify their collections - but the industry as a whole, and especially the bigger brands and conglomerates, can't rely on the largesse of wealthy collectors because there's not enough money there to sustain everyone. The overwhelming majority of watch sales are to ordinary people buying their first (and often, only) watch. If those buyers aren't there, then the industry faces a genuine extinction event that would make the "quartz crisis" look like a minor blip.
The watch industry took two gigantic hits in the last 50 years, the quartz oscillator and the apple watch
Nice rundown...
In a survival environment or even war wrist watches are a must since you don't know if you can even charge your phone. Also I don't like pulling my phone from the pocket to just checl the time and it's easier to look at a wristwatch. A watch is a man's jewelry too and I love wearing something that is basically a tiny machine on my wrist
I am writing this wearing my moonswatch, and I can say that I am thankful for this because it opened my eyes to the wonderful world of mechanical and fancy watches.
First I bought it just following the trend. Then I started checking reviews on this watch. So I learned that it's based on a popular omega speedmaster. And that led me to learn more about the speedmaster and other models and brands. Two weeks later, I bought my first mechanical watch. A Hamilton khaki field, and I am loving it.
the hammy just wishes it was the snk803
Great choice :))
I had a friend that had a Hamilton and some guy said 'nice hammy' to him and my friend beat him senseless.
I would believe you if you told me that you only paid 80 bucks for your moon Swatch... otherwise take your senseless story somewhere else
@@glennbeadshaw727 exactly. He's lying.
“Like I like the notion of not being able to tell the date, because today is a mushroom day”
There’s a line I didn’t expect to hear from you Andrew. It just goes to show, you really are a fungi! 😂
Kilindi Iyi is a guru of 30+g dosage
😂 there’s not mushroom for more puns!
That line made me blow more than a little air out of my nose lol
Boooo, what shiitake joke
V good
Moonswatch was the reason I started learning about watches and that's what brought me here eventually. So it is a means to reach out to younger audiences. Everyone will eventually decide if he sticks to what got his attention in the first place or move to something more interesting... like this video
I think Rolex's current situation (restricted supply, long wait times, absurd secondary prices) will put a lot of new watch fans off. To me, Rolex was the brand that you bought yourself when you achieved a milestone, and the blanket advertising motorsport, tennis etc wont let you forget it. Yet the reality of the experience is deflating; walking in to a dealer only to be told there's nothing to even try on, let alone buy, and you'll have to wait months or longer.
That's where many people will just walk away completely, or others (like me) find another brand that actually sells beautiful watches and begin a relationship with that brand.
Grand seiko all the way, screw Rolex!
I fully agree with you, Rolex can go F… themselves. Living in LA I am now interested in the sub 5k range. For one I wont get mugged for whatever I am wearing and two, a would be Rolex budget can afford me a ton of fun, cheap watches.
@@kanon0853 rolex one day but grand seiko till then
Couldn’t agree more. Rolex sucks.
Rolex is for old generation.
The notion that the guys and gals coloring in the drawing with colored pencils earn enough to wear their OWN Royal Oaks is, in itself, COMEDIC GOLD! 🤣
I already rocked Omega prior to the moonswatch and I was thrilled with its release. The pastel colors at a cheap price point are what really does it for me. I am perfectly fine with this kind of innovation and hope to see other creative lines of effort in the future.
The MoonSwatch to me is a genuine breath of fresh air. Something fun and unique. What is not fun is Tag just sticking Mario icons on a watch or Seiko's Street Fighter editions. Swatch and Omega did more than sticking icons on a face. I hope this sparks a trend of more fun stuff from the industry but I'm not holding my breath.
“Face tattoo without the pressure of a cartel!” says so much, all without sounding critical or superior towards a group that do what youth have always done, rush for the emblem of the experienced sailor, without wasting time or risk loss, to achieve it.
As for Omega’s Moon Swatch or AP’s latest call; it’s healthy to be open to new experiences, so long as the experience itself does not carry away the quality won by the hard work of time (no pun intended, of-course).
Or, put in the way you would describe it: When Gordon Ramsay offers to bring hamburgers over for dinner, you trust that he is not thinking about stopping of at McDonalds on the way…
For me, I bought a moonswatch, and that started me down a path of loving time pieces. Now I have a real speedmaster and a bunch of other great time pieces. So job well done omega!
The Moonswatch went from being in my “must buy” list, to been entirely forgottten. Since I couldn’t buy it, I bought some watches that were readily available and far more interesting. Now, I not only lost all interest in the Moonswatch, but I lost interest in the entire swatch brand. Long live mechanical and automatic watches!
Whatd u buy?
The story arc of the moonswatch was so interesting to see play out haha. As always love the content Andrew 👌🏼
Ultimately it's down to what people are prepared to buy at a price point. Moon swatch was a big brand logo and design in a fun housing, at a small cost. If it had been $1000 plus just how many people would have been waiting in the line to buy it, one wonders. The more the cost of the watch, the more we expect a serious watch! Just my humble opinion of course! Great thought provoking points Andrew, cheers :)
Apparently it turns out I wouldn't give you $80 for a Moon swatch
You put more consideration into this video than conservative mp's choosing a prime minister! Great viewpoint.
Nice call out on Bremont too. I like their watches; I used to own one. But even as someone who warms to the brand, I am cringing at the shameless rip off they've just released.
for me that’s a spot on video.
For some reason i thought i'd never see the face of the hands but there it is ❤️
It's interesting that casio G Shock isn't struggling with any of these problems
Casio literally has a Dragonball Z G-Shock.
Precisely. Nor does Seiko have this self-induced problem.
@@romanmichaelhamilton8729 ever seen a Laputa Seiko? Or a Porco Rosso?
A great episode again! I'm so happy to found your other channel! When I listened Watchfinder I always wondered who this pleasant voice could be? The funny fact is, I found a short interview with you on a channel I follow (Watches with Abdullah) and I searched for your name and finally found this channel. I have to tell you, (for me) you are the most professional watch content maker I have ever seen! The professionalism and enthusiasm you put together the videos is impressive! And you are the most mentioned vlogger on the popular Hungarian watch channel! (Kronometer).
Thanks for your work and keep going!
Thank you! And Abdullah’s a great guy. I’m so glad you watch his channel.
"... because today is a mushroom instead".
Most epic line in a watch video ever! 🤣🤣🤣
atb, Kev
What kids (with money) like these days are... watches you can freaking get at MSRP without having to beg and/or wait for years!
THAT'S what we want (not being a rich kid, but a watch enthusiast). I want a Rolex, AP and PP without the stupid way it's being handled right now.
Give me a proper way of a waiting list by putting down 10-25% of the MSRP and in exchange getting a guaranteed spot on the production list. EXACTLY that's what me and thousands of others want.
Not some BS nonsense talk and new models of watches made from unobtainium... EASY.
For me Bremont have pushed their prices up over the last 2 years to where they are too expensive for what you get and I feel they are not competitive against the likes of Tudor, Longines, Breitling and even Omega. They make all very similar looking models. With the Moonswatch the initial look was appealing until you actually felt and handled the watch and realise they are rubbish. I wish Omega would build on that hype and make some of their own moonwatch models, quartz with the funky colours I think they would be big hitters especially if the price was in the £1000-£2000 mark.
Not just an inciting incident, it's a foreshadowing of newly cooked up crap knighted as 'Luxury'.
Precisely. Why push products made of rare and precious commodities, which are expensive to produce,when people are so dim witted that they can be engaged to trade, cheap, plastic crap at luxury prices?
The Swatch / Omega exercise tested the theory and the idiots fell in line.
It is proof positive that stupidity is incurable and it is the vast majority who have caught it.
You are probably the best "watch/haute horlogerie" youtuber to date. Hope you receive the recognition you deserve, and never run out of content to share with us 😍
Thank you very much 😊
Well I don’t mind a little fun and quirk in a watch, but at the same time there is a thin line to keep it classy and timeless.
I think we are going to see a trend of watches in general getting way cheaper and be even more divided into tiers than now, every brand will have a cheap alternative for their expensive aspiration watches just to keep the cashflow in these troubling times. I’m no market expert but that’s my thoughts on the future, unfortunately I think a lot of newer brands or resurrected brands will fall off
It's so weird hearing Watchfinder's voice with seeing his face on camera.
😅
‘Now, I don’t know if you’ve met people, but I have, and I generally wouldn’t take any kind of advice from them.’
"Now, I don't know if you've met people, but I have, and I generally wouldn't take any kind of advice from them".
You win. Funniest line of the week in the UA-cam watch space.
On a separate note, I hated the MoonSwatch but I otherwise don't mind this trend. Because that's what it is, a trend. At some point the pendulum will swing back to more conservative, comfortable and, dare I say it, stuffy watch designs.
All that being said, the date window on the that sectorish dial on the Bremont Supernova is pretty unattractive. Why would I want pay that much money for what amounts to an homage to the worst design element of the Citizen Promaster Tough.
So this is the voice of the Watchfinder channel! Nice to see man behind the face, really enjoy your videos!
Thanks very much!
The eye contact and tiniest of grins after “That’s never gonna go wrong” was priceless 😂👌🏻
AP wants the people to design their next watch? That’s how you end up with “Boaty McBoat-face”.
'Like I like the notion of not being able to tell the date because today is a mushroom instead'. This sentence perfectly sums up today's watch industry!
Concerning the $3k and $20k Mario watches or the Black Panther watch. The problem (if you want to call it a problem) is that we've become a society of man-children. People don't grow up and mature the way they did in previous generations. I'm in my early 50's. My office is loaded with collectable crap made of colorful plastic. Shelves of action figures, die-cast cars, sports memorabilia and so-on. When I was growing up in the 1970s, my old man had no interest toys. Today, I have friends that go crazy for Legos, while their small children are playing video games on the TV. Men collected adult stuff, like coins and stamps way back then. The few nerdier guys back then played with trains. So the $3k Mario watch is just a product of our times. Yup. They're targeting adults. A perfect example. Kevin O'leary of Shark Tank's favorite watch is a Speedmaster with Snoopy on the dial. My father would never wear something with a Snoopy on it.
(late 50s here) Yeah they did, and they were generally very miserable, pent up people who were terrified of not being seen as "manly" enough, (or feminine enough) few had any emotional bond with their family, men and women were handed a list of "acceptable" hobbies, and if you broke from that list or transgressed its gender lines you were considered eccentric if you were rich, or just nuts if you were poor. I'm still doing the same stuff I was doing in the 80s, but I just bought a PlayStation 4 for Japanese rhythm games. We have game systems, anime stuff, we go to amusement parks conventions, retro game shopping. None of these are "mature adult" activities. But I remember the "mature adults" of my childhood., they came home had a few "highballs" watched TV till Carson went off the air and went to bed. I'm into Hatsune Miku right now, the few friends my age don't get it, but I'm running out of time to have fun. Being "mature" is overrated, and usually a euphemism for too old and tired to have fun.
You do realize that Snoopy was the Mascot of Apollo 10? That's why he is on that Speedmaster? He was on Astronauts uniforms as well.
@@DanaTheInsane Well aware of that. For years my UA-cam user icon was the "Safety Is In Your Hands" logo. www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/7-sfa_snoopy_poster-2.jpg
@@DanaTheInsane Think about this. Carrol O'Connor and Jean Staplton were only 47 when All in the Family went on the air. When the first version if the show was cancelled, he was only 55. 55!! They both looked t least 10-15 years older.
The design-by-committee AP will be the Boaty McBoatface of horology. Deservedly so.
I think the moonswatch differs because they provide a similar aesthetic (arguably) to the heritage brand, it's kept at arm's length in terms of features and quality. It's a well executed PR move. The AP and Mario Kart examples come much closer to risking dilution of the brand's image and show a much clearer lack of direction from upper management. For decades, the watches have sold themselves. Now, forced to innovate outside of the mechanics of a watch, they're struggling. I do have faith that it'll all level out though. I also don't own a watch so my opinion is less than worthless.
Nicely done, Andrew.
Whatever the established cabal pump out at the unexpectedly loaded, they will always occasionally imagine a thing of true beauty for the rest of us.
Let's just hope not too many people notice...
Just wanted to say, having got into watches for the first time a few months ago, I love this channel having watched your OG channel. Good to see a face and great script.
Thanks very much!
I think luxury brands are paying a smart game at the moment (not one I like though). They are all following the “hype” model that the youth are into at the moment, like you get with sneakers or Crypto assets etc. Perfect example is moonswatch or rolex which you pretty much cannot buy and sell above retail. However only the cool successful people in the world gets them so if you want to be cool and successful you better do your best to try get one. My personal opinion is that it totally puts me off and I think how can this be sustainable, but it seems to work for RM and fashion items like Jordan’s and Yeezys.
Love your new channel.. honestly you deserve a million subs some day
Thank you 😊
Majority of younger people I work with wear Apple watches with many functions, I had a conversation the other day that my watch only has one function and what's the point in that. I guess there is an attempt to reach the Apple watch wearer's with the watches you mentioned. Personally I share your opinion.
Finally a face to the watch finder voice lol, doubt many Mario fans can afford an AP
The video raises a very interesting question. I am by all accounts a Millennial, barely but I still am. This places me not as a young professional, but in the middle of my career. Having loved watches my whole life, I could not afford them, a thought that stuck with me from my ramen eating days as a young working man.
This all changed when I saw the Openback Moonwatch in Saphire, and fell in love. A love doomed as by default the price was too high without even seeing it. Then I saw the same watch, with a price advertised that made me do double take, the Moonswatch. The cheap bastard love child of the beautiful Professional edition. Sadly it can’t be bought, as there is no stock.
So with my eyes opened I went shopping, and got a beautiful Longines, witch is now my pride and joy. Something to be said for going and seeing all the watches in hand at a reputable dealer, massive difference between staring at them on screen. That being said, without that Moonswatch, I would have always just remained an fan, observing and appreciating from a distance.
Ultimately you’ve made the more fulfilling choice I’d say
I think uniqueness will be a valuable commodity. So the future of watch making might be in two directions relating to customisation of watches. One approach is ordering a bespoke, high-end watch to your exact specification, and they build it for you. The other is to order a kit and assemble it yourself. You could get a watch movement, a case back, sapphire crystal, and a USB stick containing a variety of files to enable you to 3d-print different shapes and sizes of watch case. Imagine you may only need one movement, and you can fit it to different cases to suit your needs.
The luxury watch market maybe heading towards difficult times-like trying to sell a typewriter 😎.
Type writers actually sell pretty well on eBay 😂
does anyone really think that young people can afford what watch manufacturers demand? In the event you do, the answer is they CANNOT!
I am glad to have discovered your channel. Now I can put a face to your highly successful Watchfinder & Co. channel. Thanks for your videos.
Thank you for watching 😊
Your writing is the best. There’s bite and there’s thought. Way to go, very enjoyable.
Thanks very much, very much appreciated 😊
You just went right to the point, in my view. Like in a ton of other industries, watchmaking seems a bit lost in this transition time. I feel exactly the same as you so well put. And... That's the smartwatch industry in this mix as well. How to solve the puzzle? I agree. People in these companies don't seems to know the answer. Trouble? Maybe not. I'd rather think of it as an opportunity. A general opportunity for everyone. Great analysis!
Seems like known quality luxury watches are pivoting towards fashion trends deluxe watches.
AP's Royal Oak music watch similarity to George Bamford's Casio G-Shock collaboration would have you thinking. 🤔
I could be wrong. 🤔
I’ve watched both the piano guitar strings video and the basketball off a dam video, didn’t expect you to reference them here though, tbh
All we want are top quality ( or what is considered luxury grade ) products at an affordable price Before Apple ( not a fan ) it was Nokia who dared to ask for 2000 usd on a phone made from glass and steel ( Nokia Art ) or even more, like Vertu line. Then the iPhone 4 came out at 400 usd and Nokia vanished. Now people stay in line for a copy of a speedmaster. I hope AP will release a superb timepiece for roughly 1000 usd. It will sell like hotcakes
Can we get an Assasin's Creed emblem on the Royal Oak face? lol...
cool fun watches and the old school classics can coexist. Honestly, the sheer enthusiasm for the moonswatch was just so cool to see. Like an iPhone release. I'd never wear one, but it wasn't marketed to me. The more people that get into watches the more diversity we will see which is awesome, instead of retreads over and over and over.
You structured this video really well. Had to watch til the end and wasn't mad about it.
Thanks!
I love your voice Andrew. Literally and figuratively. Thank you for more of your thoughts about the watch world.
Thank you for listening 😊
Im down with covid but feel so much better watching ur video andrew as im isolating myself in a bedroom. Great video!
Thank you and get well soon!
I heard your voice and thought "wait a minute, isn't this...?", and for sure.. It's you 🤣
It’s me!
OMG, I thought it was a lamp speaking. 😂
Man you seem like a friend we just haven’t met yet
That’s really kind, thanks!
Also, I think the rise of pixelated NFT art is showing us how much we are moving away from sophisticated and thought-provoking art forms into something quick. Watches are viewed today like fast-food and Tiktok.
I think the mood is actually changing away from that. Just look at the history of Fossil's stock, the king of „fast-watches“. I think way more people are getting into luxury watches especially young people like myself.
Seeing you face after all these years... is transcendental
Omega also put out a series of Speedmaster’s in precious metals just before the MoonSwatch.
Edit: we also had Mickey Mouse watches when we were kids and now I finally own an Omega SMP 300m and have just started the down the rabbit hole!
I think that old and elegant brands should remain true to themselves and not have identity issues . I know that things change and culture changes as well .. I thought that the Omega Moonswatch venture was brilliant and fun...initially. I have since been changed by how the availability and mode of purchase issues . This on top of the Rolex mystery is too much.
Given some news I read recently, just teaching the kids how to tell the time from a watch at all would be a good start.
After years of watching watchfinder seeing this guys face and voice together is such a weird experience
Not too weird I hope 😅
@@AndrewMorganWatches I´ll get used to it :) Great content as always, keep it up!
It can be done right, though it tends to need the Italians. Step forward the Octo Finissimo Sketch. Grazie.
The Swiss need to play to their strong suits: finish, craft, precision, luxury, brand yesyesyesyesetc. Leave the cool stuff to countries that don't revere fondue and yodelling.
I love the Octo. Fantastic watch. And the sketch is great. But Bvlgari ain’t perfect. That NFT watch made me lose a lot of respect for them. You must admit that watch was horrible.
Well now I have to search ‘piano with guitar strings’. Thanks for that.
New watcher here (sorry). I want to make an observation about asking the customers what they want/make their own designs. It’s now a few years since I was pondering what would appeal to consumers in the field in which I make my living (which is tv but that’s not important to the conclusion I came to). I watch tv and go to movies and theatre and rock/pop gigs and what I realised that I want is the experience which makes me go “fuck me, that’s brilliant, I would never have thought of that”. As a consumer, I couldn’t possibly tell the producers/actors/writers/musicians what they could do to provide me with that experience, so don’t waste your time asking the audience.
Incidentally, I have a Junghans Max Bill on my wrist at this moment, but a couple of weeks ago I was at the Frieze art fair and Breguet had a stand. I was very moved by how exquisite their watches are. So now that is what I want. I cannot afford what I want right now but I’m sure that one day I will be spending a lot of money so that I can own such a beautiful device.
You’re absolutely right, you can’t impress people by showing them what they’d expect.
Good luck with the watch journey!
@@AndrewMorganWatches thanks for the encouragement, I'm new to watches but not new to collecting and in my other interests I know to go for what appeals to me and not what other people say is the right thing to get. TBH, I can see myself being distracted by a couple of other brands, based upon design rather than complications to be honest [Cartier I'm looking at you ;-) ]
You forgot the new (return of) Omega Ultraman 🫣
…….. and Snoopy 😂🤣😂🤣
With the price of luxury watches just going up and up ( RRP - wise, not grey), how many young people can afford them anyway? The Mario idea just seems truly idiotic and that Bremont actually made me sad. Why did they need to be such flagrant plagiarists when they already have a well established, albeit overpriced, aesthetic? I had no idea AP was taking suggestions, but I’ll get out my crayons 🖍️!
When you think the cheaper Mario watch costs more than a Submariner ten years ago it puts things in sharp perspective!
This video spurred me to dig in a drawer until I found my Roy Rogers watch. I'm wearing it as I write this. Thanks for the laughs, and the insights.
Just googled that. Legend!
For half of this video I was wondering why you sounded familiar 🤣🤣🤣 I love your podcasts man
😂 Thanks!
Nice to finally put a face to the voice.
For my part, Ill continue to buy Longines Tanks and the once in 10 years higher end piece.
ill croak and the people who come after me will pick their favorite ( or perhaps, none at all) and that will be that.
Good luck trying to sort out this new lot. I havent a clue.
I was having a cup of favourite hot beverage not much focusing on tube, just hovering over this video.
When I heard the familiar voice I made spontaneous physics experiment and now I’m exploring new career possibilities in cleaning industry as intern.
Also I need a new coffee cup. Maybe that equals to nice.
Thanks for watching!
I do welcome the brands asking on what is next. Maybe a sign of desperation, but getting your users, specially new generation, providing input is not only a humble but a clevere decision.
Love the contents and the comments on brands staying 'relevant' vs genuinely having fun. Must say though, with dark clouds truly on the horizon, there's more prices correction coming and people will stick with the proven brands and models.
My concern...to whom I will be inheriting my watches? The Apple Watch and the watch displayed by an IPhone are killing the need for having something different. IPhone killed the camera industry and is killing the need for spending in a watch rather than giving that money to charity...(that is what this generation believes in) so, bioceramic, cheap manufacturing, mass behaviour, fashion and overall hype and purchase experience is what new generations are looking for. My Rolex, my Tudors and my Omegas will probably be sold on ebay at the price I told my wife I bought them....
This is how genius’s waffle, superb humor and entertainment Andrew!
😂 thanks!
The most shocking part of this video is the Dragon Ball "Zeeeeeee" pronunciation. Scone, Scon, Skon... yeah I know. But still, I want a MoonSwatch :)
“Zed” would have had me expelled from the internet 😅
It's about hype and limited release, just like the shoe market. Scalpers seal the deal. Other swatch limited releases are the same...they sell out fast. It's just that people who never bought swatch never noticed.
I'm part of the younger generation and honestly.. the watch makers should give a damn what this generation thinks. Old values getting more precious than ever before and the attitude of some youngsters can easily be thrown into the garbage bin.
You bring up a lot of good points my man! Keep up the amazing work!
Does anyone else think he looks like Hans Gruber (Actor: Alan Rickman) Movie: Die Hard (1988)
Not sure, but he sounds and presents exactly like British motoring journalist Quentin Wilson. Spooky!
Potter!
are you the watchfinder voice?
🤐
I once got lunch with the brothers that founded Bremont. They’re British as hell. (Really nice guys too)
I'm trying to figure out which watch would be the iconic watch design from the last 10 years, like some of Genta's designs were very 1970s, and I can't think of a single one. Is there anything I missed, or are the watch manufacturers out of ideas?
Was gonna say Richard Mille then remembered that was over 20 years ago 😂
Erm… pass!
Apple watch or perhaps Fitbit? Not a luxury item in the same way as a genta watch, but not cheap either, and will potentially be the most iconic watch of 2015-2025.
I really enjoy hearing your thoughts and considered opinions; they resonate with me a lot. What a conundrum the (traditional mechanical) watch industry is in; there seems no strategy, apart from try something bonkers or stick one’s head in the sand and carry on. Must admit, I’m getting a bit bored of it, and starting to turn to cracking micro brands such as Autodromo, who have a focus and genuine passion that I can relate to. Don’t get that from a Rolex
Lots of possibilities! Real fork in the road.
If you think about it, the first time your average next Gen kids looked at a watch, Daniel Wellington (yuck) was shoving itself all over their social feed. That DW is going to be their nostalgia. The watch that makes them say "Oh I saved up for one of those". An experience Omega/Swatch nailed on the head. I don't think slapping pop culture onto five figure watches will sell watches to the next gen. It's the watches that can create an actual relationship with younger people with a price they can actually afford thats gonna be remembered.
You are correct that the issue if there is one is generational. Within each generation there always has been the masses who just wanted a watch to know the time and manage your day, now we have mobile phones to do that for us. Also within each generation we have a smaller percentage who like finer things and those who have the money to buy these finer things. These people, who are now from a much wider global pot, will mix their purchases from 'old classics' to newer experiments but still from the 'luxury' market. As markets emerge from China to India and the like , the numbers of affluent people who wish to buy niche and classic products associated with success is growing exponentially across the globe. So I think that there will always be a thriving quality watch market, Switzerland just need to get their marketing to the correct continents and stop flogging the West with 30 ish versons of Moonwatch and countless versions of Submarimers. On the flip side of 'luxury' there is always mass market and we will as in every industry, see attention spans reduce, people wanting things 'their way' as in the burger market for want of a clear example. i suggest that manufacturers go towards customised / personalised watches, sold on pre order sales so that they can get the numbers correct. This would add a new sector to the market. Worth a thought ?
I agree, I think custom is the way forward and you can see how Rolex is gearing its website up for that kind of experience
Have you ever been in a munich university? Its like a luxury watch show.
Demand is strong but new watches cant sell because they become too expensive amid supply chain issue and inflation. Brands decided to reach those customers who are left out by offering cheaper alternatives...like PRX and defy skyline to fill the void left by Royal Oak, moonswatch to fill the void left by the speedy, new superocean decided not to upgrade its movement to keep cost low, chronomaster sport to fill the void left by daytona, grand seiko to fill the void left by datejust... and even Rolex joined the game by offering the flash bezel on Pelagos 39 to fill the void left by the modern sub.
Oh man, that face on the dial at 6:14 cracked me up. ♥
i think it is not about new generation. It's about global ecinomic crisis , which already strated and will develop hugely during time. When we are in crisis, brands should think how to stay relevant , how to compete between each orher for very limited paying ability of audience.
The luxury watchmakers are actually selling more watches than they ever have, so economically they are fine. It’s just those sales are coming from an aging audience, and the increasing prices aren’t helping appeal to younger audiences either!
Some people understand the beauty of quality watches and some don’t.
If you chase after what youth wants it’s a
tricky proposition. In general few people actually know what they want.
If you go down the focus group path you’re done. Brands now do listen to consumers more than in years past but
really can’t let actually design watch dials. Come to think of it Gerald Genta
had a committee design watches for him. Not really. A computer program did.😊
The traditional luxury watch market is dwindling as its supporting generation is dying out, even though at the moment the more accute issue is a recession. As a challenge for high end watch makers to survive: how about making watches with smartwatch capabilities which you do not have to put on a charger every other day because it is solar or hand wound or... You need to cut some of the energy wastage of a smartwatch, but if you focus on the right functionality to keep you could have a real winner on your hand
AP , the best one trick pony in the market
Me before the _M_oonswatch: a Rolex Milgauss. Me after the hype: Gettin' interested in watches, now: A Cartier Santos, a Tudor GMT G/S, a Tudor Chrono G/S, the Heuer Montreal 160th anniversary, the Santos blue large, the JLC Reverso Duo, the Omega Seamaster 300m in Sedna Gold, the Nomos Autobahn and the Nomos Tetra, a Brew Retromatic and a Rolex Sub in blue S/G. and a Panerai Luminor Due. Thank you, Swatch and Omega, gettin me addcitet to this!
To me, it seems like a simple swing of the pendulum. Things trend a little fun, then back to serious... then back to fun, and back to serious. This time, the pendulum really swung hard towards fun, which means we can all probably expect an equally heavy swing back to serious, once the fun wears off.
Hang on a minute.
I thought the MoonSwatch was marketing Genius, going to inspire generations of luxury watch buyers, and be available online any day now? 😂
Hah, I was so excited , and then the whole thing gave me indigestion, like a McDonalds meal , turned me off to Omega
@@paulpeabody3281 Omega fanboys are toxic and it’s been amazingly good entertainment seeing them run around like headless chickens over this.
I do feel sorry for genuine Omega fans who are upset though.
It just highlights how they put far too much importance on nonsense about the moon, rather than the watch on their wrist.
Perhaps the question is: I have a phone, why do I need a watch? That is scary for the watch industry.....