Would Classic Cards See Play Today?
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I remember when people used to complain about Savanah high mane being a legendary that you could put 2 copies in your deck, because it has a similar power level to Cairne bloodhoof...
It used to be the best 6 drop in the game for sure, and still not every hunter deck played them, face hunters simply didn't need 6 drops
We used to call Savannah Highmane the best hunter legendary until around the witchwood when they finally decided to give hunters legendaries that aren't super niche or just plain dumpster tier
I played Hearthstone since beta every single day like a maniac for years all the way until Kobolds and Catacombs, then stopped and came back for a more casual play during Galakrond's, but stopped for real with Ashes of Outland... I just wanted to say this video made me feel old af! I aged those 9 years of Hearthstone history in the first 5 minutes of the video, hahaha.
Fun fact on charge(the spell) and why would be broken in standard:
If you use it on remornia you can hit face with the minion, face with the weapon and face with the minion again. And repeat until the weapon breakes.(That was a deck in wild, not a strong one, but viable.)
Your hero can only attack once a turn with remornia though
I really like these breakdown of old sets in modern hearthstone. Hope to see some of the older sets like GvG and TGT done next
I feel so cozy watching old cards. Every card has something to it.
42:32 the problem with polymorph is that mages have life sentence which completely removes the minion without leaving up a 1/1 body. I think discover might be the right tier but currently in standard there is just an objectively better card.
The only real benefit for it now is to ruin revive pools.
BUT there's an argument that Life Sentence might still be better for that, or at least almost as good for that, by removing the minion they want to revive anyway.
@@velrex8140very often adding garbage to the res pool is better than adding nothing. Played A LOT of games vs. ResPriests in Wild.
@@velrex8140 if we wanna be really nice to polymorph, its better at graveyard hate cause it both removes the reanimator target *and* puts the 1/1 into the GY. So even if they get another target, the sheep token still makes the reanimation iffy
The tierlists relating to expansions, music, and otherwise non gameplay related things have been great.
When it comes to gameplay though, there are so many nostalgia picks. Just a reminder that this is an entertainer channel, not an ex competitive hearthstone player.
I remember old unleash, you always had it in mind against hunter, because if you overextended they knife juggler unleash cleared your board and delt damage to you, i played a lot of midrange shaman in naxx and i remember not using hero power because it just fueled unlessh
Would be more interesting if you didnt always check before your first attempt at rating if the cards are currently in standard format
I am a main rogue pirate player for over 3y and i can assure you that gething rid of 1 weapon use can make you win (in a weapon meta for shur)
>show me the deck it goes in
It's like this entire community, Rarran included, have no conception that if the cardpool changes the meta changes.
If mage gets enough easy face damage then burn mage becomes a deck, if priest gets enough healing and clears then control priest becomes viable. You can't hold anything equal when you add a card into the set, you have to make the set, then test.
I think the video discusses how would the card do if ONLY this card was added, not if all of them got added in at once.
2:40 we even have the freeze and silence minion thats 2 mana 2/3 but that has manathirst 6 for the silence effect and thats not seeing in deck play but e.t.c quite a few times
In my opinon, any of the cards with charge would see play in all aggro decks since it's such a limited keyword plus buffs aren't as hard to come by as they used to.
Love the content rarran! Keep up the incredible work!
Wild is so insane you can t ever compare to standard.
But you can.
And you should, sometimes.
Its still the same game with the same strategies.
You’re not a wild player?
@@Uefeti i mean, thats like saying vintage MTG and standard MTG are the same game with the same strategies. Or saying formula 1 is the same as a nascar race. Sure, both are "car go fast" but you can hardly say its "the same game with the same strats".
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Yeah, but Wild ain’t vintage.
It’s much closet to legacy or modern, but even that comparsment is kinda wrong.
It’s not that far away from standart, especially with hearthstone’s power creep.
Like, most of the good cards are from recent sets anyway.
Wild oftentimes plays with just bettered standard decks.
The Fact what Death Knight was a playable (and is kinda playable) class in a metagame, kinda proves that.
@@Uefeti so Wild is kinda closer to Pioneer, you say? Yeah, I would agree.
A thing worth mentioning about comparing Wild to Vintage or Legacy is the fact that, comparatively, Basic and Classic are just... not that powerful next to Alpha/Beta/Unlimited. Like yeah, most of the cards are shit, but those that are playable are BONKERS in the case of A/B/U whereas Classic and Basic... You have, like, 10 at most? And even then, I don't feel like the jump from the rest of the set is as big as in the case of A/B/U.
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Sword of justice + reoccurring villan combo my beloved
I haven't played HS in a years but it makes me kinda sad to see that a lot of the staple cards that I associate with each class are not even considered decent options anymore.
I guess it's because it makes apparent the disconnect between myself and a game I used to love.
Putting the brewmasters in trash tier seems wrong unless theres other neutral bounce cards that exist?
There are cards that are in Tier 1/2 standard decks and he puts it in might be played
Hammer of wrath is seeing a little play. Savanna Highmane would be discover.
excuse me?
Force of nature would be the absolute gonzo nutballs in the token druid deck and would probably make it actually playable :D
I don’t see actioneer being broken and I don’t see Alex and Knife Juggler seing play. I also feel like Grom would se play in enrage warrior (like it saw), and that’s not that niche. Being in only one deck, but that deck being tier 1 at some point is not that niche.
High mane is a low roll when you get it as a 6 off spurfang. It's crazy as mukla and hound are way better. Also keepers strength is basically shadow flame and is nuts in paladin
The only when discovered catergory is weird because half the cards there are useless to discover like faerie dragon, even if it's a stronger card than 4 mana hammer of wrath it's worse off generation.
Yeah but there is a lot of ways to discover dragons and it's unique in that it's one of the few cheap dragons
Rarran putting repentance above garbage fire already invalidates this list :D
Felstalker would definitely not see play. succubus tho…
Innerfire is in one of the best decks in wild atm
waiting for the only garage/discovered challenge
Leroy is literally on standar now
This guy put a 4 mana 4/3 with Charge in "might play" when Warrior has Lorthemar and Blackrock'n'Roll
I havent played since 2018, seeing this hurts. Powercreep is real.
Seeing this playlist I remembered why I don't play HS anymore.
8:20 *Zephyrus disliked this video*
You should to a tier list based on much a meme card makes you laugh
If your statement is "Velen is one of those cards that would become better with more cards released" and he hasn't seen play in Wild in many years. Then you have your answer. Even if Discovered there's no way you'd play him. Velen is Garbage Fire, 100%, no sweat.
This entire video feels like Rarran just snorted a couple of lines of energy drinks and then started recording after having been awake for 3 days straight, his takes are absurdly bad. And while I think they are bad, I think it's very entertaining, so either way, great content.
I miss OG hs. Game is so different now.
Some of these cards weren't the OG cards, iirc Unleash was 2 mana at one point and Nat Pagle was EoT 50% draw
Old tracker was better, to an aggro deck having the opportunity to remove 2 cards from your deck is huge
power creep is real
None of those cards except the broken ones and like vancleef, soulfire and nourrish would see play. Like Alexstraza, knige juggler ? They weren't even played for their last years in standard.
Old bladefury and conceal would see play, and they would be disgusting.
Abomination is definitely disco
blizzard literally saw play earlier this year
inner fire would 1000% see play in standard if all the other classic cards were with it. It was my favorite deck when I used to play, doom slayer 0 mana silence double its health twice and inner fire, + whatever else you happened to have since that's only 7 mana and there's the radiant elemental.
Yeah but if the other cards weren't?
I've been so far removed from Hearthstone for quite a while and it was crazy to me that he pretty quickly dismissed Inner Fire. I'm like damn is HS to the point where Inner Fire OTK decks are banned/designed out of existence?
fireball wouldn't see player
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Admittedly the card itself probably wouldn't be enough to add, but would be one of those discover cards you are often happy to see, especcially if it fits your gameplan
That was a great video even tho all that scrolling gave me a seizure 😂
Drakka hit bladefury
I stopped after foresight.
Ain’t no way highmane is garbage fire
Power word shield was like the best card in Priest no cap
If Silverback Patriarch isn’t S tier I’m going to be sad
S tier? Come on now don't be ridiculous. You can't classify Silverback patriarch, it's just that good
Silverback is a couple hundred thousand tiers above S, and that's when he's using a small fraction of his power
Magma Rager should be S+ tier.
Dies to oger, f toer
It literally saw play though with barrel of monkeys
Savannah Highmane in garbage is wild. This game has changed so much since I last played. That would have been an unthinkable statement back in the day.
People called it a legendary back in the day xD
@@sallomon2357 It used to be the hunter's ultimate hex/silence check. If I slammed Highmane and you didn't have the answer it was going to be a rough time for you as my opponent. Highmane singlehandedly kept hunter as a B tier class when it was at it's worst. When hunter was good, Highmane was absolutely disgusting. Now it garbage and isn't an auto include? Power creep has been crazy after I stopped playing. This is from someone who played from beta through to ~Witchwood. I only dabbled in it a little as well as the preceding expansion. The game changed too much for me at that point.
@@kwamedwards It's even been buffed now, 7 attack instead of 6, and still isn't played
@@greatmightypanda I didn't even realize that. Hearthstone is going full Yugioh. You never go full Yugioh
@@kwamedwardseven Yu-Gi-Oh sometimes tries to not go full Yu-Gi-Oh
Putting sylvanas and tink into trash is kinda nuts. So many situations for both cards to just lock out the enemies previous or future turns
I’ve had sylvannas show up a couple times off of random effects and it’s so meh
does rarran realize far sight sees play right now in standar
Other than returning to play some Battlegrounds, these cards are what I remember Hearthstone to be. I haven't played since like the 2nd or 3rd expansion....
Sword of Justice is my favourite card, love the thematic behind it... very sad to see it sit in 'Garbage Fire' without much discussion lol :(
Great vid
43:30 I feel like mind blast would most likely see play in shadow priest. In fact that think shadow priest would end up being an insane deck if they added mind blast to standard since you can not only run it but also discover it off of school teacher or nerubian vizier.
Not uncommon to see it in wild so definitely
Mind Blast still sees quite a bit of play in Aggro Shadow Priest decks as a finisher in Wild.
With all the spell duplication priest ha its cracked
I remember during Un'goro using x2 Bloodsail Corsair in my Shaman Evolve/Devolve's deck. Was useful to remove weapons and mainly bring Patches in the board. 1 Mana for 2 drops for your evolve, a charge for bloodlust...
I mean yeah there were two years where Bloodsair Corsair was just the best one drop in the game (1/2 + 1/1 with charge) just like Southsea Captain was the best 3 drop.
Rarran should just have the current core set next to him while he is doing this.
Lots of the low ranked cards you have, see play in top wild meta decks and some of your top cards don't see any play at all. Generally a good list, the pirates and murlocs you have ranked as niche see play in every wild format though
53:05 I don’t feel like Alextraza would actually see play. The main problem would be that healing is far more common and damage is far greater. A lot of decks can kill from like 24 health and don’t really need to set the opponent to 15, and at the same time a lot of decks can easily heal up after going down to 15. Paying 9 mana fore something most decks don’t care about I just feel wouldn’t see play.
Two words: Highlander Druid. In any other case, I agree
@@alejandromolina2802do you meaning getting Alextraza off the dragon egg? In which case the only situation that would actually be useful is most likely when a 9 mana 8/8 is the best option because the battlecry is fairly useless in highlander Druid.
Druid doesn’t have enough burst to kill at 15 and chances are if you spend 9 mana to set you life total to 15 most decks can beat you the very next turn.
Yeah the new alex is probably always better
@@adamstadick2044 The egg would make it 5 mana but I see your point.
Doesn't it set the life to 15 so you can't heal over that?
So confused, aren't all classic cards still in standard? Just mostly not good enough to see play? I get confused, played so long weird to think they are not there.
No some of them are retired such as ice block and naturalize.
Power Word: Shield is just good enough for Priest decks. Cheap 1 mana draw 1, especially when draw is Priest’s weakest aspect. 100% sees play
Draw is the priest's weakest thing? Lmao
Jaxraus no? Forgot about the Warlock deck that's running aroudn causing havoc in standard? Opinion completely discarded. At least show us you play the game, Rarran your the type that goes all in on 2 - 7 off suit and complain why you lost in poker.
Old jaraxus set your health to 15. And I haven't seen jaraxus in a while so it's garbage tier.
@@ruukinen I rewatched the video, and he wasn't clear (as rarran always goes off the rails and always goes into a train wreck) whether it was the original effect from the first hearthstone or a standard card.
I just assume the later, if it was the former then I agree with you 100%.
@@luckydannumber2 He pretty clearly stated as compared to every other card that was buffed when added to core that he is comparing with the old values. That is why a lot of the cards are garbage tier although they are currently in use since the version in use is the buffed one.
@@ruukinen I agree, no he didn't clearly state it, that's the first thing you say to avoid confusion. the Original Effect from the card from the very first edition of Hearthstone.
Hearthstone has to be crazy game now for Gore Howl to be an objectively bad card now. Its been a long time since I played
We’re bringing it back.
Fireball!
Edit I found myself watching this video again and looked at the comments. I was about to make the same comment again.
Sword of Justice would have utility on discovery. Hunter's Mark wouldn't see play as it takes a deck space and the effect isn't worth it. Blizzard is too expensive for what it does.
It's funny seeing how power dumped formerly incredible cards are, like Faerie Dragon and Highmane.
Wtf, is the powercreep. Havent played hearthstone in years, stumbled in here.
Highmane as trash tier is so insane to me. It was considered the best 6 drop (before they nerfed sylvanas to 6).
Waraxe was in EVERY warrior deck. It was nerfed to 3 mana and still saw play.
Fireball not being played is absolutely insane. It was the mage card. No mage deck without it.
Azur drake was put into hall of fame because it saw so much play in different decks
Sylvanas is the biggest snub
He asks the question if these cards would see play if they were in Standard.
He completely forgets that one third of the cards he brings up are currently in Standard.
That kind of diminishes the point of the video.
ah those card bring memories. back when the game wasnt garbage.. good old times.
I need too know what Rarran gets his weed ima need some of that
So many HS boomer moments going on here
I run Harrison and flesh-eating ghoul in my dk deck
And Blizz still claims there is no powercreep
Far sight see a bit of play currently
Isnt south sea played in hand paladin?
Boulderfist ogre great stats for costa
Forest of nature would be broken now.
Rarran doesn't know you can click your middle mouse button and just scroll up/down with the mouse. That's why he says his hand is hurting by the end, lol.
If milhouse was in I play him just to see the opponents high rolls
Seeing twilight drake in shit tier broke my soul
Hear me out, old brewmaster is as good if not better than new brewmaster in decks like the Snake Warlock or use with Astalor. You never are wanting to leave your snake out on the board and so the 3/2 statline is marginally more applicable than the +2/+2 on the snake.
(Altho in stuff like charge combos then the new one is better)
This video just screams how bad the power curve has gotten in Hearthstone. Highmane, Sprint, Fire Elemental, Gorehowl and Jaraxxus all in Garbo tier....10 years definitely made an impact on the game.
with 10 mana and 3 cards - solar eclipse + force or nature + cultivation is 24 damage from hand (without playing any treants prior to the combo). So I think it will 100% see play in the format.
Any charge card would see play because of all the handbuffs that exist across different classes now. There would 100% be an aggro bloodknight in the meta if there were other neutral charge minions other than Freebird.
I haven't played or watched hearthstone since a little after Grand Tourney. Watching this makes me feel so old and also terrified of what modern Hearthstone looks like
rag still sees play dawg how is it garbage tier
2:28 Since Coroner and Starfish exist, I doubt owl would see any play. Probably only when discovered.
as a wild player windfury's placement saddened me because that card has wrecked me on ladder as recently as yesterday in even totem shaman
Vanish would see play a lot. Scabbs hero was played in most rogue decks.
Aint no way blud put Far Sight in only when discovered 💀💀💀💀
i do play one blizzard in my rainbow mage, it can save games so pretty worth it
a rarran tierlist where everything isn't in the top 2 tiers? what year is this?
Charge on Ramornia alone is horrifying because it maintains the charge after the weapon swing
So 2013 Face Hunter would still see play..
i member when arcane missiles gained 3 damage from 1 spell power
Have you played any standard at all? I constantly run into these cards at ranks 1-5(before legend). Sure a lot of people have some pretty funky cards in their decks but being at rank 2 for example means you have a positive win rate (unless you are currently in the process of tanking yourself down to 5). Cards talked about are like blizzard and far sight etc.
They see play cause they were changed
I think owl might see play in ETC bands.
holy wrath with naga giant order in the court what
far sight is in standard and saw play in nature shaman