@@wheezel55 Not gonna happen on desktop. They've tried before and failed. On laptop though, before manufacturers like Clevo, Dell/Alienware, MSI, Acer, and Asus all offered socketed CPU's, GPU's or both but that stopped after 1st gen Haswell mobile CPU's (i.e. 4940mx) and Clevo offered socketed CPU/GPU up to the 11900k and 3080 MXM but after 12th gen they also stopped. Oh and they did offer a Ryzen powered laptop with a 16 core 3950x
Insane. How the F are we supposed to use trackpoint without physical rightclick leftclick buttons? One of the reasons why I sticked with Lenovo is due to the trackpoint ergonomic design which allows you to type and move cursor without moving your arm, only fingers. DISAPPOINTED :(
I have the Gen 6 chassis P1. I understand why Lenovo is experimenting with these changes, but not for me. I want the buttons, not screen bump, etc. This laptop was perfect last gen. They just should've improved the innards
@@MashITTech I also have the Gen 6 with RTX 4090. Doesn't look like 4090 is an option with Gen 7, at least I couldn't see that option when speccing one on Lenovo's UK online store.
Great review as always. Which 4k monitor is that? I'm looking for a monitor that has a USB-C hub, that's also good for gaming... but not OLED because the PWM flickering gets me so dizzy it's borderline unusable.
Since actual MacBooks have everything soldered to the motherboard, I’m thinking of getting this P1 Gen 7 but with OLED display, just because it has an DCI-P3 color space, also because these machines are easy to repair and upgrade, something that it’s almost impossible to do with the macs, and also the fact that almost all of their parts are “serialized” or “linked” to the motherboard, and its price, too. Macs nowadays are very expensive and hard to repair, while ThinkPads are still sort of “reliable and accessible” machines.
I want it but I don't want it lol. Trackpad buttons gone is insane to me, I use those 1000 times a day and I'm not sure about the 2 tone colour. I cant believe I'm saying this but I think I'll stick to my g6 and see what the g8 is like! Thanks for the review! 👍👍
you do realise he is talking about the buttons for the Thinkpimple? If you type a lot on the keyboard the Thinknipple means you can move the curser without moving your hand away from the keyboard. The buttons for this used to be right below the space bar and were easy to manipulate with your thumb
I think I'll get a newer generation of the P1 maybe after the Arrowlake is released. I've been wanting to upgrade my XPS 15 to the new XPS 16 but the only issue is they removed the dual SSD slots which sucks. This P1 seems to have all the same specs at a slightly cheaper price, and the dual SSD slots.
Really appreciate this review and looks like a solid choice for an on the go editing machine. Do you see any issues with it running Adobe premier and rendering 4k videos. Any idea if/when the Gen8 will be out as we are will need an editing laptop by March this year.
Thinkpad needs something like this with a decent igpu option, sleeker but with a touchpad that still has buttons and the ctrl key in traditional spot. Developer options in a 16 in form factor seem nonexistent atm from them.
The laptop mentions it supports only 64gb of camm2 memory, however i've seen 128gb camm2 modules available for purchase, even at high prices. Does Lenovo set it as 64gb hard limit, or just "available" limit with possible 128gb ceiling?
64gb is all they have validated, it doesn't mean 128gb wont work. I have upgraded many lenovo laptops way past what lenovo have said is the max. Sadly I couldn't get my hands on teh CAMM modules to test when I did the review
If they used an anodized chassis they would probably be able to dissipate more heat. I think the coating they have on the chassis, albeit thin, reduces the thermal conductivity.
@@mtbtrailshredder it's a common technique used my razer and macbooks. but ultimately yes, the processors get too hot which is why the ARM processors are beginning their takeover.
@@mtbtrailshredder I didn't mean in replacement of a heat sink and fan. These coatings, although thin, change the thermal conductivity to release the heat to the ambient air. I know the lenovos have a metal chassis but the coatings slow and add resistance to the convection process. There are a a lot of laptops with aluminum chassis.
@@MashITTech Adobe creative suite + Sketchup + normal daily browser, youtube, and some video editing. Im considering the new M4 MAX with 128gb Ram but afraid that would lower a lot the battery usage when not connected. I had a Lenovo P1 Gen 6 from my work with and I7, and ADA2000 GPU, and 4K monitor touch screen and it was amazing. But on the other hand, the new mac m4 would be quieter and cooler, with potentially better battery... but its more expensive, and I loose the 4k touchscreen, and the upgrade capacity in terms of SSD and RAM I believe. On MAC I could also use Parallels to run other things I might use like Autocad or even some games but that would be +100usd per yer for that software alone + the perks of swap the system etc... I might wait for some reviews of the MAC first. Its a dilemma :)
@@MashITTech im thinking of buying this to use it with linux? My main concern is the battery life since my work requires multiple vms to run occasionally or at least one most of the time also with docker. I would definitely go for a macbook at this point but we have one vm which cannot be virtualized for silicon chips yet. What do you think?
Hey @@mtbtrailshredder. Please accept my apologies for missing your initial question last week. I'm sorry about that. To answer the question, our touchpads do work on Linux, including the haptic feedback, but as of today, you can't adjust the settings directly within Linux. The good news that if you have Windows installed, you can change the settings there, and those settings will persist on the touchpad when you boot back up in Linux. That applies to haptic feedback intensity, touchpad click-force (how hard you have to press to register a click), and TrackPoint button click-force, and also whether the top zone works as TrackPoint buttons or a normal touchpad area. We are also working on a Linux control panel, though we can't provide a timetable on when that will be released yet. It's not fully in our hands, unfortunately.
@@mtbtrailshredder But yeah, unfortunately if you uninstall Windows 11, then you can't adjust the settings. My suggestion for now would be to dial-in the settings you want first before uninstalling Windows. It's not a great solution, but it's a temporary workaround. As I mentioned in the other reply, we are working on a Linux control panel as well, which will be a much better solution of course.
@@SenselInc That's an excellent answer that accepts the realities of a world in which no operating system does it all perfectly. Thank you, and keep up the good work.
I like it. Maybe I’ll buy it. As a civil engineering student i need the power but i have heard nothing good about the fan noise. Maybe I wait for the new lunar lake cpu or buy another laptop. But thinkpads are so durable and are common in the industry. Idk
Looks exciting except for the fan noise and temperatures. If only they could do more about those. Hey, ask them for the OLED models for review next time, hehe. May as well start with the best wink wink.
haha I dont get review units, I have to buy the models I review myself so I go with what I can afford at the time 😀 As I get bigger and make slightly ore money I can afford better specs for my review units. Plus buying them myself you know you are getting a real review and not a sponsored/biased video which I hate
totally agree! even in their legion range there is no 18". such a shame as legions are amazing laptops but there is nothing to compete with the desktop replacement range
what config? let it get all the windows updates done and see if fan stops. My fan only fires up when I am heavily using it or installing programs. But I do wish they kept the vapour chamber
@@MashITTech mine was the one with 155 H CPU, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB storage, 4060 GPU. As soon as I do windows updates the fans start going. If I install a clean windows without doing Windows update it is so quiet. I tried installing Windows 10 that is quiet too until I install the updates.
The absence of the rtx 4090 and rtx 5000 ADA options, as well as the absence of a simcard slot for 5G networks, is a throwback to previous generations.
Not a fan of the aluminium exterior lid, soft touch FTW, especially since it's usually carbon fibre or Magnesium underneath. Feels premium and is much more durable.
So, is this laptop worth it? After seeing some complains about temperatures and battery performance, I don't if it is the right choice for me. What do you think?
that's a tough one, there was a lot I loved about the laptop, there have been some good improvements this year but its a real shame that they cheaped out on the cooling solution. I think if you can get a good price on a 4060 model it's worth it but I would probably look for a better priced gen 6. PS the battery life is never good on these intel machines with dedicated gfx :(
@@MashITTechI understand. Well, I was looking for a P1 Gen 6 when I saw some interesting X1 Carbon G10/G11 laptops. I saw some opinios on those device and it seems they're actually good. My only concern is the display size since I carry a 15.6 inch laptop. I don't really know if there's a downside in the amount of content you're seeing or amount of time seeing them without make a pain in your eyes. Why am I telling you this? It's because I'm studying software development (Backed Dev). Any thoughts on those ones? I'd really appreciate your perspective, and I'll be welcomed to any suggestions. UPDATE: Yo! I found a P1 5th Gen refurbished on eBay for almost USD$1K. You think it's worth it?
How much better is this than the gen 2? To keep to my budget I just got the gen 2 maxed out in every way for £420. Obviously this is going to be better than gen 2, but in real life use?
Sadly the battery life was so much worse with the P1 G6 - otherwise it'd be a no brainer to get the now discounted models with more thermal headroom for the GPU.
Thanks for the rerview! Could you maybe review the Zenbook S 16 with Ryzen AI 9? Seems to be a great option for battery and performance, 1.5kg as well.. Seems to match a lot of my criterias but haven't seen many reviews; not ones I 100% trust anyway. I trust your reviews a lot so fingers crossed. Maybe the Zenbook S 14 with Core Ulra 200 as well? Looking really good
given the "always-on" settings of modern fans, I had to send my G7 back for the fan noise. it was just too much of a distraction. I hope they get quieter again at some point.
Im waiting for the P14s Gen 6 (14" AMD). For my ideal workstation, get rid of the GPU, give me a Ryzen 7 PRO, OLED 120hz, Haptic touchpad, CAMM2 memory modules and svelte 65w charging adapter to run it with. I would pay a lot of money to have that in a thinkpad. You couldnt pay me to run anything intel.
Everything I have seen from Apple looks like it's got a lifetime as long as the next marketing release. My Thinkpad P50, however, has been hammered for years and years and still works perfectly even though I have upgraded the SSDs multiple times and it STILL has space for more RAM.
I purchased two P1 gen 7, one with liquid metal, one without. Ended up returning both, as the fan noise isn't something I can bare with. This is absolutely a loud laptop not good for daily use.
Maybe ultra series chips are better in terms of power consumption, but at least for lenovo thinkpad line, these products are super noisy. I also tried T14 gen 5 AMD (I think he reviewed it a while ago), I gotta say although fan noise is minimum on that model, it is definitely warm to the touch, sometimes very hot.
Laptop looks great, thanks for excellent review and comparison to XPS. Latest XPS is a joke, Lenovo did a great job, I would love to see 14'' version of P1.
These are crazy expensive, people complain all the time that Macbooks are expensive but they barely realize that configuring a very good Windows laptop with very good spects can easily reach the same price point.
@@rey6253 these laptops are business grade, ex: business buy them wholesale. macbooks are made for consumers. but i do agree that its very expensive. macbooks are also targeted towards a different audience, hence why @johnfrench7452 commented "different worlds"
Yeah, there are a lot of new pros and cons in the latest model. I'm sure that in a couple of years, the Gen 7 will become one of the least popular options for the P1. My recipe for the perfect future ThinkPad is: Chassis of the P1 Gen 7 but with physical trackpad buttons and upward-firing speakers (at least on par with the new Asus Zephyrus). Downward-firing speakers feel awkward when used on your lap or a soft surface. It would be amazing to have an option with the vintage 7-row keyboard with black and blue keycaps. The notch doesn’t bother me much-better this one than the atrocity Apple inflicted on their MacBooks. A Lunar Lake processor (or something better) for energy efficiency and quietness. RTX 5080 or 5090. Rumors suggest that the 5000 series will be much more energy efficient. Also, it's a cruel joke that the P1 Gen 7-a workstation-level machine-is limited to 8 GB of VRAM. If you're into Unreal Engine development, 3D rendering, or 4K gaming, that’s just not enough. It would be nice to have at least 16 GB of VRAM, if not more. CAMM2 RAM. USB-C charging so we can ditch the proprietary port and those ugly, huge power bricks. A card slot that can take a full SD card without it sticking out, and an Ethernet port-because why not? A vapor chamber for better cooling. PTM7950 (or something better) instead of liquid metal, which is awkward to work with and potentially harmful to the internals. Swappable Wi-Fi card and USB-C ports for better repairability. Two NVMe 2280 slots. It would be nice to have a WWAN card because it’s always better to have the option, but for me, it’s easier to use my phone's hotspot. I think all of this is completely doable, especially in a couple of years. It’s sad to see that today’s manufacturers aren’t chasing the best possible quality. They introduce new features one by one just so they can say, "Buy this year's model, it's better than last year’s; look, we added a new feature," like CAMM2. Since we’re dreaming, it would be fantastic to have a workstation-level laptop with passive cooling. I’d love to safely use my laptop in bed and forget about cleaning out the dust-but that might be hard to achieve in the near future.
Man this laptop is almost perfect. Only if it came with a Ryzen 9 HX 370 or a Core Ultra 9 288V. Lunar Lake just came out and absolutely brought Intel back into the game against AMD (at least on mobile...they still lacking behind on desktop for now). Lunar Lake brings in amazing battery life and low fan noise...something never seen on any Intel powered laptop before. If they offer this with a 288v, 4060 and CAMM2, you have something that will take out Dell and Asus all day long.
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Lunar Lake has RAM on the CPU chip and is limited to 32GB. Arrow Lake will be for higher performance laptops.
Hello, Engineers fell on the head... Again ! A big no-go for me ! No physical buttons on the trackpad, just that, is a big problem. It's for a reason that the system has been abandonned ten years ago. An the way the keyboard is made, if it has to be replaced, you're good for a total disassembly of the machine. Again, been there, done that : replace a keyboard on, for example a W520 : 30 seconds. Replace a keyboard on a X250 : 15 minutes (assuming you know what you do). And a 6-row keyboard (with less keys than the old 7-row), without a numeric keypad, whereas there is all the place needed for it, not a good choice. A laptop isn't just what's under the hood. It's impressive on the paper, I'll not deny that, but in terms of ergonomics, there's not much thinking. This thing on the top of the screen... Not a big fan either. There is no logic : borderless screen (good) but no more space to put a webcam so there is this system. I would have preferred a little more borders. And it's not a thing that is a single piece with the rest of the chassis. Could be fragile. Again, this type of construction has been tested in the past (X200, X201, X220 for example and there are a lot of units where this additional part tends to break over time). The only positive thing I can think about that : it the user is not too nuts, he can use this as a lift to open the screen, which is nice because there won't be torsions of the screen on the long term as we can often see when it's lifted from the left or from the right. So possibly less damage on the long run on the screen (but not on the extension). Overall, gives me the impression that Thinkpads lose what makes them Thinkpads, more and more, year after year. For me, this machine is no more than a MacBook clone. :( W.
This ThinkPad looks complementary, I mean looks just Clean in my eyes 😅 Oh yeah, I didn't know if This Laptop going with haptic touchpad like Surface Laptop 7 used
This might be the best tech channel on UA-cam, especially when it comes to upgrading laptops. Very much needed insightful info. Keep up the good work, sir!
Good to see they are offering high refresh rate screens on the thinkpad line Every time I have to use a 60hz, it's just.. no. I don't care if it's 4K with superior color accuracy. No.
How, how the F are we supposed to use trackpoint without physical rightclick leftclick buttons? One of the reasons why I sticked with Lenovo is due to the trackpoint ergonomic design which allows you to type and move cursor without moving your arm, only fingers. DISAPPOINTED :(
The new Dell XPS touchpad is one of the worst I have ever used. Apple is still king in that regard. I hope Lenovo is closer to Apple than Dell in this regard, but I'm not a fan of removing the trackpoint buttons...
are you talking abnout the new XPS haptic touchpad? What did you not like about it? I thought it was OK but hate the invisible border, if you are going to make it invisible use the whole base :)
@MashITTech Both that invisible surface and that the haptic feedback wasn't very good. By default, it was too weak and no matter what haptic setting I changed it too, it felt unrealistic and poor. Meanwhile, Apple's MacBook haptic touchpads have been great since 2015.
totally agree. with regards to the feedback the lenovo is closer to XPS than MacBook! And you are right, apple have perfected the touchpad and do offer an incfedibly well rounded laptop
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Good to finally see CAMM2 modules, finally. That said... next step is socketed CPUs and GPUs. Probably a dream...
haha brings me back to my area 51m days. I hate that we moved away from upgradability
Lmao never. We're probably going to move onto cpus built in to pc motherboards too someday not too far in the future
@@wheezel55 Not gonna happen on desktop. They've tried before and failed. On laptop though, before manufacturers like Clevo, Dell/Alienware, MSI, Acer, and Asus all offered socketed CPU's, GPU's or both but that stopped after 1st gen Haswell mobile CPU's (i.e. 4940mx) and Clevo offered socketed CPU/GPU up to the 11900k and 3080 MXM but after 12th gen they also stopped. Oh and they did offer a Ryzen powered laptop with a 16 core 3950x
@@wheezel55well that would totally defeat the purpose of desktop then
Solid. Been waiting for this. Super thanks.
no problem. hope you enjoyed it :)
Look at that function key row. *chefs kiss*
cant believe they removed the physical clicks. I needed those to work with gloves on...
Yes, this would be a deal-breaker for me.
Insane. How the F are we supposed to use trackpoint without physical rightclick leftclick buttons? One of the reasons why I sticked with Lenovo is due to the trackpoint ergonomic design which allows you to type and move cursor without moving your arm, only fingers. DISAPPOINTED :(
I have the Gen 6 chassis P1. I understand why Lenovo is experimenting with these changes, but not for me. I want the buttons, not screen bump, etc. This laptop was perfect last gen. They just should've improved the innards
completely agree. Plus you get teh vapour chamber with the higher end GPUs which makes a big difference.
@@MashITTech I also have the Gen 6 with RTX 4090. Doesn't look like 4090 is an option with Gen 7, at least I couldn't see that option when speccing one on Lenovo's UK online store.
Great review as always. Which 4k monitor is that? I'm looking for a monitor that has a USB-C hub, that's also good for gaming... but not OLED because the PWM flickering gets me so dizzy it's borderline unusable.
I own one with intel ultra 9, rtx 3000 ada, 64 ram and the fans usually run a bit loud on Cad programs
Since actual MacBooks have everything soldered to the motherboard, I’m thinking of getting this P1 Gen 7 but with OLED display, just because it has an DCI-P3 color space, also because these machines are easy to repair and upgrade, something that it’s almost impossible to do with the macs, and also the fact that almost all of their parts are “serialized” or “linked” to the motherboard, and its price, too.
Macs nowadays are very expensive and hard to repair, while ThinkPads are still sort of “reliable and accessible” machines.
This ThinkPad also comes now with soldered components, including RAM, sadly
@@agustinvivar629 no... the ram is a lpcamm2 model which is user accessible and upgradable
@@agustinvivar629 pretty sure it has camm2 memory which is easily replacable
@@agustinvivar629 and 2 m.2 slots
I want it but I don't want it lol. Trackpad buttons gone is insane to me, I use those 1000 times a day and I'm not sure about the 2 tone colour. I cant believe I'm saying this but I think I'll stick to my g6 and see what the g8 is like!
Thanks for the review! 👍👍
It's bizarre how you would prefer moving your finger to a track pad button rather than just pressing down where you finger is....
you do realise he is talking about the buttons for the Thinkpimple? If you type a lot on the keyboard the Thinknipple means you can move the curser without moving your hand away from the keyboard. The buttons for this used to be right below the space bar and were easy to manipulate with your thumb
@@ohwhatworld5851 I like to make every click an spectacular
I think I'll get a newer generation of the P1 maybe after the Arrowlake is released. I've been wanting to upgrade my XPS 15 to the new XPS 16 but the only issue is they removed the dual SSD slots which sucks. This P1 seems to have all the same specs at a slightly cheaper price, and the dual SSD slots.
Really appreciate this review and looks like a solid choice for an on the go editing machine. Do you see any issues with it running Adobe premier and rendering 4k videos. Any idea if/when the Gen8 will be out as we are will need an editing laptop by March this year.
Thinkpad needs something like this with a decent igpu option, sleeker but with a touchpad that still has buttons and the ctrl key in traditional spot. Developer options in a 16 in form factor seem nonexistent atm from them.
I like seeing the new camm2 modules honestly, it's a welcome addition especially after the latest intel chips have ram seriously backed on.
The laptop mentions it supports only 64gb of camm2 memory, however i've seen 128gb camm2 modules available for purchase, even at high prices. Does Lenovo set it as 64gb hard limit, or just "available" limit with possible 128gb ceiling?
64gb is all they have validated, it doesn't mean 128gb wont work. I have upgraded many lenovo laptops way past what lenovo have said is the max. Sadly I couldn't get my hands on teh CAMM modules to test when I did the review
Excellent review 👍.
Thanks! 👍
If I am going into mech e PhD is this a good laptop to pair with a pc workstation or should I wait for lunar lake to come out
If they used an anodized chassis they would probably be able to dissipate more heat. I think the coating they have on the chassis, albeit thin, reduces the thermal conductivity.
@@mtbtrailshredder it's a common technique used my razer and macbooks. but ultimately yes, the processors get too hot which is why the ARM processors are beginning their takeover.
@@mtbtrailshredder I didn't mean in replacement of a heat sink and fan. These coatings, although thin, change the thermal conductivity to release the heat to the ambient air. I know the lenovos have a metal chassis but the coatings slow and add resistance to the convection process. There are a a lot of laptops with aluminum chassis.
Im in doubt between this model and the new Macbook pro 16inches...
what do you plan to use the laptop for?
@@MashITTech Adobe creative suite + Sketchup + normal daily browser, youtube, and some video editing. Im considering the new M4 MAX with 128gb Ram but afraid that would lower a lot the battery usage when not connected. I had a Lenovo P1 Gen 6 from my work with and I7, and ADA2000 GPU, and 4K monitor touch screen and it was amazing. But on the other hand, the new mac m4 would be quieter and cooler, with potentially better battery... but its more expensive, and I loose the 4k touchscreen, and the upgrade capacity in terms of SSD and RAM I believe. On MAC I could also use Parallels to run other things I might use like Autocad or even some games but that would be +100usd per yer for that software alone + the perks of swap the system etc...
I might wait for some reviews of the MAC first. Its a dilemma :)
@@MashITTech im thinking of buying this to use it with linux? My main concern is the battery life since my work requires multiple vms to run occasionally or at least one most of the time also with docker. I would definitely go for a macbook at this point but we have one vm which cannot be virtualized for silicon chips yet. What do you think?
If the trackpoint buttons where normal id def buy this.
We're thrilled that you're a fan of the Sensel haptic touchpad in the P1 Gen 7! 🥰 Thanks Dave 🙏
Its great to start seeing them in more laptops!
Hey @@mtbtrailshredder. Please accept my apologies for missing your initial question last week. I'm sorry about that.
To answer the question, our touchpads do work on Linux, including the haptic feedback, but as of today, you can't adjust the settings directly within Linux.
The good news that if you have Windows installed, you can change the settings there, and those settings will persist on the touchpad when you boot back up in Linux. That applies to haptic feedback intensity, touchpad click-force (how hard you have to press to register a click), and TrackPoint button click-force, and also whether the top zone works as TrackPoint buttons or a normal touchpad area.
We are also working on a Linux control panel, though we can't provide a timetable on when that will be released yet. It's not fully in our hands, unfortunately.
@@mtbtrailshredder But yeah, unfortunately if you uninstall Windows 11, then you can't adjust the settings. My suggestion for now would be to dial-in the settings you want first before uninstalling Windows. It's not a great solution, but it's a temporary workaround.
As I mentioned in the other reply, we are working on a Linux control panel as well, which will be a much better solution of course.
@@SenselInc That's an excellent answer that accepts the realities of a world in which no operating system does it all perfectly. Thank you, and keep up the good work.
I like it. Maybe I’ll buy it. As a civil engineering student i need the power but i have heard nothing good about the fan noise. Maybe I wait for the new lunar lake cpu or buy another laptop. But thinkpads are so durable and are common in the industry. Idk
Looks exciting except for the fan noise and temperatures. If only they could do more about those. Hey, ask them for the OLED models for review next time, hehe. May as well start with the best wink wink.
haha I dont get review units, I have to buy the models I review myself so I go with what I can afford at the time 😀 As I get bigger and make slightly ore money I can afford better specs for my review units. Plus buying them myself you know you are getting a real review and not a sponsored/biased video which I hate
I'm just wondering why Lenovo doesn't offer a device with an 18" display. Every current device seems like a step backwards compared to my P70.
totally agree! even in their legion range there is no 18". such a shame as legions are amazing laptops but there is nothing to compete with the desktop replacement range
I got mine yesterday, the fans are always on and so i am sending it back tomorrow. They didn't even put a vapor chamber
what config? let it get all the windows updates done and see if fan stops. My fan only fires up when I am heavily using it or installing programs. But I do wish they kept the vapour chamber
@@MashITTech mine was the one with 155 H CPU, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB storage, 4060 GPU. As soon as I do windows updates the fans start going.
If I install a clean windows without doing Windows update it is so quiet.
I tried installing Windows 10 that is quiet too until I install the updates.
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Meh, why did they remove higher end GPU options? Guess I'm keeping my gen6 P1 with its RTX 4090.
my guess is they were prioritising cooler temps. Especially as they already had to reduce the TGP of the cards for the chassis
I prefer sodimm over camm2 (at the moment) because no ram modules are available right now in europe
These b-roll shots are just jaw dropping eye candy!
Thank you, I will pass that on to Gary who spends hours shooting b roll 😂
How do you think this would compare to the Thinkpad P16s Gen 3? Trying to compare the two.
The absence of the rtx 4090 and rtx 5000 ADA options, as well as the absence of a simcard slot for 5G networks, is a throwback to previous generations.
I would certainly get one of these but wish they did a 14 inch version
I would like to see the performance with a macbook pro when they are not connected to an outlet.
I was looking at this vs the P16 Gen 2, I suppose you have to choose portability vs performance.
P16 Gen 2 has better performance?
Not a fan of the aluminium exterior lid, soft touch FTW, especially since it's usually carbon fibre or Magnesium underneath. Feels premium and is much more durable.
So, is this laptop worth it? After seeing some complains about temperatures and battery performance, I don't if it is the right choice for me. What do you think?
that's a tough one, there was a lot I loved about the laptop, there have been some good improvements this year but its a real shame that they cheaped out on the cooling solution. I think if you can get a good price on a 4060 model it's worth it but I would probably look for a better priced gen 6. PS the battery life is never good on these intel machines with dedicated gfx :(
@@MashITTechI understand. Well, I was looking for a P1 Gen 6 when I saw some interesting X1 Carbon G10/G11 laptops.
I saw some opinios on those device and it seems they're actually good. My only concern is the display size since I carry a 15.6 inch laptop.
I don't really know if there's a downside in the amount of content you're seeing or amount of time seeing them without make a pain in your eyes. Why am I telling you this? It's because I'm studying software development (Backed Dev).
Any thoughts on those ones? I'd really appreciate your perspective, and I'll be welcomed to any suggestions.
UPDATE: Yo! I found a P1 5th Gen refurbished on eBay for almost USD$1K. You think it's worth it?
How much better is this than the gen 2? To keep to my budget I just got the gen 2 maxed out in every way for £420. Obviously this is going to be better than gen 2, but in real life use?
which P1 you recommend the most?
If price was no issue I would take this one but the Gen 6 is also great and can probably be bought a lot cheaper
Why would they remove the vapor chamber?
Thanks for the review!
Would you recommend this for a 3D simulation and light animation workflow?
absolutely. there is quite a range of cards but if its only light you could get away with the RTX 2000 ADA or RTX 4060.
Sadly the battery life was so much worse with the P1 G6 - otherwise it'd be a no brainer to get the now discounted models with more thermal headroom for the GPU.
Where are the three TrackPoint Buttons? That's disgusting.
Thanks for the rerview! Could you maybe review the Zenbook S 16 with Ryzen AI 9? Seems to be a great option for battery and performance, 1.5kg as well.. Seems to match a lot of my criterias but haven't seen many reviews; not ones I 100% trust anyway. I trust your reviews a lot so fingers crossed. Maybe the Zenbook S 14 with Core Ulra 200 as well? Looking really good
given the "always-on" settings of modern fans, I had to send my G7 back for the fan noise. it was just too much of a distraction. I hope they get quieter again at some point.
i always forget how wonky the UK enter button is until I watch your videos
this does appear to be better than the current XPS line
Im waiting for the P14s Gen 6 (14" AMD). For my ideal workstation, get rid of the GPU, give me a Ryzen 7 PRO, OLED 120hz, Haptic touchpad, CAMM2 memory modules and svelte 65w charging adapter to run it with. I would pay a lot of money to have that in a thinkpad. You couldnt pay me to run anything intel.
This is probably dumb, but it always surprises me when windows laptops are more expensive than a macbook.
Everything I have seen from Apple looks like it's got a lifetime as long as the next marketing release. My Thinkpad P50, however, has been hammered for years and years and still works perfectly even though I have upgraded the SSDs multiple times and it STILL has space for more RAM.
Which is better p16 gen 2 or p1 gen 7 ? For electrical engineer
what software you you running as an engineer?
@@MashITTechlike TIA portal, Autocad, Studio 5000,.....
I order this model ThinkPad P1 Gen 7 Intel (16″) Mobile Workstation with Part Number 21KV0017US.
@@MashITTech
I order this Model
ThinkPad P1 Gen 7 Intel (16″) Mobile Workstation
with Part Number 21KV0017US.
@@MashITTech
I use Siemens software and Allen Bradley, schnider, Cad,......
I purchased two P1 gen 7, one with liquid metal, one without. Ended up returning both, as the fan noise isn't something I can bare with. This is absolutely a loud laptop not good for daily use.
They keep focused on making them thin
@@Usernotknown21 Yes I think lenovo is heading towards a wrong direction, making products look slimer but getting incredibly louder.
I've been buying Ryzen laptops, as they seem to be cooler and quieter. Such a shame, I had high hopes for the new "Ultra" line of Intel chips.
Maybe ultra series chips are better in terms of power consumption, but at least for lenovo thinkpad line, these products are super noisy. I also tried T14 gen 5 AMD (I think he reviewed it a while ago), I gotta say although fan noise is minimum on that model, it is definitely warm to the touch, sometimes very hot.
@@davidcunningham8318 The OP says he purchased two, and returned both because of the fan noise. So he was just "twice unlucky"?
Thanks for the review. 👍 Of course, no WWAN, no buy. I wonder if they'll yank out Wi-Fi next year in their puzzling quest against connectivity.
I always wanted the P-series but never could afford one.
we want sim slot
So many great laptops coming out....which one to buy!
Depends... Your use-case, budget, etc.
Which game @ 1:40 ??
That is Beyond All Reason, it's completely free and made by fans of Supreme Commander and Forged Alliance. I am loving it ATM
1:20 looks like LPCAMM2
Yes, it is using CAMM modules
Laptop looks great, thanks for excellent review and comparison to XPS. Latest XPS is a joke, Lenovo did a great job, I would love to see 14'' version of P1.
I love how he says that's pretty little 😂
These are crazy expensive, people complain all the time that Macbooks are expensive but they barely realize that configuring a very good Windows laptop with very good spects can easily reach the same price point.
Different worlds.
@@johnfrench7452 how so? Not even sure what u mean
@@rey6253 these laptops are business grade, ex: business buy them wholesale. macbooks are made for consumers. but i do agree that its very expensive. macbooks are also targeted towards a different audience, hence why @johnfrench7452 commented "different worlds"
David is awesome! Love this channel. Thanks for another great review!
Thank you mate 😀
Can somone make a dicent compartatiom between the razor blade lenovo i9 and thinkpads ????!!!!!
I possibly could but what are you looking for? like blade 16 vs P1?
@@MashITTech exactly and Lenovo i9
Yeah, there are a lot of new pros and cons in the latest model. I'm sure that in a couple of years, the Gen 7 will become one of the least popular options for the P1.
My recipe for the perfect future ThinkPad is:
Chassis of the P1 Gen 7 but with physical trackpad buttons and upward-firing speakers (at least on par with the new Asus Zephyrus). Downward-firing speakers feel awkward when used on your lap or a soft surface.
It would be amazing to have an option with the vintage 7-row keyboard with black and blue keycaps.
The notch doesn’t bother me much-better this one than the atrocity Apple inflicted on their MacBooks.
A Lunar Lake processor (or something better) for energy efficiency and quietness.
RTX 5080 or 5090. Rumors suggest that the 5000 series will be much more energy efficient. Also, it's a cruel joke that the P1 Gen 7-a workstation-level machine-is limited to 8 GB of VRAM. If you're into Unreal Engine development, 3D rendering, or 4K gaming, that’s just not enough. It would be nice to have at least 16 GB of VRAM, if not more.
CAMM2 RAM.
USB-C charging so we can ditch the proprietary port and those ugly, huge power bricks.
A card slot that can take a full SD card without it sticking out, and an Ethernet port-because why not?
A vapor chamber for better cooling.
PTM7950 (or something better) instead of liquid metal, which is awkward to work with and potentially harmful to the internals.
Swappable Wi-Fi card and USB-C ports for better repairability.
Two NVMe 2280 slots.
It would be nice to have a WWAN card because it’s always better to have the option, but for me, it’s easier to use my phone's hotspot.
I think all of this is completely doable, especially in a couple of years. It’s sad to see that today’s manufacturers aren’t chasing the best possible quality. They introduce new features one by one just so they can say, "Buy this year's model, it's better than last year’s; look, we added a new feature," like CAMM2.
Since we’re dreaming, it would be fantastic to have a workstation-level laptop with passive cooling. I’d love to safely use my laptop in bed and forget about cleaning out the dust-but that might be hard to achieve in the near future.
Man this laptop is almost perfect. Only if it came with a Ryzen 9 HX 370 or a Core Ultra 9 288V. Lunar Lake just came out and absolutely brought Intel back into the game against AMD (at least on mobile...they still lacking behind on desktop for now). Lunar Lake brings in amazing battery life and low fan noise...something never seen on any Intel powered laptop before. If they offer this with a 288v, 4060 and CAMM2, you have something that will take out Dell and Asus all day long.
Lunar Lake has RAM on the CPU chip and is limited to 32GB. Arrow Lake will be for higher performance laptops.
Hello,
Engineers fell on the head... Again !
A big no-go for me ! No physical buttons on the trackpad, just that, is a big problem. It's for a reason that the system has been abandonned ten years ago. An the way the keyboard is made, if it has to be replaced, you're good for a total disassembly of the machine. Again, been there, done that : replace a keyboard on, for example a W520 : 30 seconds. Replace a keyboard on a X250 : 15 minutes (assuming you know what you do). And a 6-row keyboard (with less keys than the old 7-row), without a numeric keypad, whereas there is all the place needed for it, not a good choice. A laptop isn't just what's under the hood. It's impressive on the paper, I'll not deny that, but in terms of ergonomics, there's not much thinking.
This thing on the top of the screen... Not a big fan either. There is no logic : borderless screen (good) but no more space to put a webcam so there is this system. I would have preferred a little more borders. And it's not a thing that is a single piece with the rest of the chassis. Could be fragile. Again, this type of construction has been tested in the past (X200, X201, X220 for example and there are a lot of units where this additional part tends to break over time). The only positive thing I can think about that : it the user is not too nuts, he can use this as a lift to open the screen, which is nice because there won't be torsions of the screen on the long term as we can often see when it's lifted from the left or from the right. So possibly less damage on the long run on the screen (but not on the extension).
Overall, gives me the impression that Thinkpads lose what makes them Thinkpads, more and more, year after year. For me, this machine is no more than a MacBook clone. :(
W.
the forcepad is actually pretty good. coming from W701...
ASUS Zenbook S16 is the real XPS destroyer!
They lost me at removing the soft rubbery feel in the lid and no buttons for the red dot.🔴
This ThinkPad looks complementary, I mean looks just Clean in my eyes 😅
Oh yeah, I didn't know if This Laptop going with haptic touchpad like Surface Laptop 7 used
Why this proprietary power input? USB-C is just fine and should deliver enough power for this machine.
I'd wait for Lunar Lake at this time.
I had no idea lunar lake would be out so soon when I ordered this
Though lunar lake is more for Ultrabooks and more limited in wattage than the Core Ultra found in the P1.
Lunar Lake is great at low-end efficiency, but doesn't scale well when it comes to higher demands. I guess we just can't ever have it all.
@@Noodles.FreeUkraine we will get arrow lake for the higher performance notebooks like gaming laptops and workstation
Yes it is Arrow lake we should be interested in if it will be available for laptops. I think I misunderstood this 😢
I want a Thinkpad P1 with the specs of a System76 bonobo
Why change the cntrl button!
I believe there is a software option that allows you to swap the key's function.
Better than macs
The touchpad is still upside down. I don’t know why they placed it this way. The top buttons are not usable with one hand when using design software
Come on Lenovo. Don't get rid of the TrackPoint Buttons.
you're reviews are top notch, MUCH better than Andrew marc David IMO.
Thank you, that is really kind of you to say :)
i love a thinkpad keyboard
me too
I love thinkpads but would aim arm only now
This might be the best tech channel on UA-cam, especially when it comes to upgrading laptops. Very much needed insightful info.
Keep up the good work, sir!
Thank you mate :)
So why they keep calling it ThinkPad?
Is the memory half soldered and half camm2 if not, how can it be dual channel
Good to see they are offering high refresh rate screens on the thinkpad line
Every time I have to use a 60hz, it's just.. no. I don't care if it's 4K with superior color accuracy. No.
Lenovo should release versions with the AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370.
I wish anyone would release a HX370 in the UK at this point! I am desperate to test them :)
The P line is developed in collaboration with Intel so AMD processors will not happen in the P line
Lpddr5x seems soldered
I wish i could get this 😢
I will only buy the p1 if they allow us to charge it with usb c, that charger is too big to carry when on the move
ID rather wait for 2025 xps 14.
How, how the F are we supposed to use trackpoint without physical rightclick leftclick buttons? One of the reasons why I sticked with Lenovo is due to the trackpoint ergonomic design which allows you to type and move cursor without moving your arm, only fingers. DISAPPOINTED :(
yes I was also disappointed they removed them.Bet we see the tracepoint removed entirely in a year or so
Unfortunately, no numeric keypad. That is a deal killer for me.
The new Dell XPS touchpad is one of the worst I have ever used. Apple is still king in that regard. I hope Lenovo is closer to Apple than Dell in this regard, but I'm not a fan of removing the trackpoint buttons...
are you talking abnout the new XPS haptic touchpad? What did you not like about it? I thought it was OK but hate the invisible border, if you are going to make it invisible use the whole base :)
@MashITTech Both that invisible surface and that the haptic feedback wasn't very good. By default, it was too weak and no matter what haptic setting I changed it too, it felt unrealistic and poor. Meanwhile, Apple's MacBook haptic touchpads have been great since 2015.
totally agree. with regards to the feedback the lenovo is closer to XPS than MacBook! And you are right, apple have perfected the touchpad and do offer an incfedibly well rounded laptop
@@MashITTech Perhaps, but it's so limited in terms of hardware and software. SSD died? Junk the whole thing. Need to upgrade memory? LOL.
with those amazing words i rather buy the loq gaming laptops
no ethernet? paaaaaaaass
Wow, a normal touchpad, finally
Can't wait to pick this laptop up for $300 in like 3 years!
Is it me or does the battery degrade quicker on Lenovo laptops
60W dGPUs 💀
This years model gets downgraded
Agree
No good sales 😂
How so?
Your Momma
$2000 base price 😂😂😂
Customera want a better battery with performance and an affordable price. Lenovo not gonna sell based on looks any more.
need AMD RYZEN AI version
the lip is disgusting lol
So many downgrades...