christopher “why make it linear?” nolan
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2023
- Christopher Nolan might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is unquestionably the modern master of cinematic time. Here's why, with special reference to Dunkirk (2017).
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Dunkirk
Oppenheimer
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Time
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Fun Fact: first time I saw Dunkirk I was sitting in the seat next to Geoffrey Rush (Captain Barbossa in Pirates of the Carribean). He cried.
But anywayyy, what's your fave Nolan flick??
Tbh Tenet. Essential Nolan with all downsides included
The Dark Knight is my favorite Nolan film. But if I had to pick one that has his signature mark on it, then I would pick the Prestige.
I've always loved The Dark Knight, but after watching Tenet I'm obsessed with that movie. It's more mind boggling than Memento. I also have to disagree on Nolan's exposition "problem". The topics he tries to convey on the screen can not just be shown and understood immediately. They are very cerebral stuff, and to make sure the audience isn't left behind he has to use exposition to move the story along. It doesn't take away from the viewing pleasure in my opinion.
Probably interstellar or inception
The Prestige, always
Nolan loves snorting his time-lines.
snortin' lines and bendin' time
Nobody actively ingesting anything recreationally, drugs, or otherwise by way of nasal cavity actually refers to the act as, "snorting". But rather, "bumping"
Drug abuse 101.
@@HonestJohn_01.19 That's weird. My parents always just called it adult alone time
@@HonestJohn_01.19 lol, this might be true where you're from or in your circle, but it is not at all true elsewhere.
Me literally just coming out of Oppenheimer "jeez Nolan really is obsessed with time and timelines, I wonder if there's a video about it on youtube"
If you were a true Nolanite, you would know this for at least six years.
@@johnnotrealname8168 6 years?? Inception came out 13 years ago at this point.
@@johnnotrealname8168 if you read correctly, you'll see i never said I just realized that, I've known this for years. It's just I was wondering how such an obsession would be used in a "simple" biopic, if he'd drop it for more simple storytelling, but nope.
The one line "And today I'm the age you were when you left" hits so hard. It feels so real, because time dilation really is possible. That situation could really happen. A father could end up lying to his daughter and lose her, not in life, but in time.
haha i wish i knew what this means, sounds profound
For anyone who hates how he plays with time, it's called a stylistic preference. Christopher Nolan has shown he doesn't need to play with time to create compelling stories. I'm looking at you The Dark Knight. It's just that Nolan prefers to play with time. It's just like how Tarantino likes to play with violence and how David Lynch likes to play with weird vibes.
How Tarantino like to play with feet*
I’m triggered because imo Tarantino is a greater savant than Nolan. Tarantino has a list of stylistic choices that he uniquely perfected and are much more compelling than Nolan’s insistence on translating impossible theoretical concepts onto cinema (Memento and Inception are really good though).
Doing something terribly isn't a stylistic preference. He's just an overrated director.
Exactly!!@@string_qbyte He veils himself in complexity and obscurity in nearly every film.
Now I have become Nolan, the Employer of Time Jumps.
I swear someone said to the effect of "Now we are Sons of Bitches."
I just wish we can have infinite number of Nolan films.
Maybe in 15-20 years we will have websites that can generate movies on-demand for free. Like for example:
"Generate a 3 hour movie about the fall of Rome in the style of late Christopher Nolan"
@@danielkatona8778 I'm all for AI advancements but nothing will match the creativity of a man
@@ryanivancruz8206 This exact same this already happened to music, we just don't have a product for it yet. It will come any day now. So I disagree with the creativity comment. I think creativity IS the strength of AI over humans. It can literally be "inspired" by all the content that has ever been published, while we can only explore a small portion of the same dataset with our limited time and brain capacity.
(I think intelligence is the real limitation of the current generative models; the ability to work in previously unexplored paradimes. When combining a bunch of existing stuff is just not enough to move forward. That's what the strength of a man is as it stands right now.
To put it simply: I would rather compete with an AI in a combinatorics math competition than an visual arts competition.)
But even if this won't exactly be possible in the near future. If you can generate text (scripts) and high quality video and sound with nuanced access to modify results based on preferences, then it doesn't even matter:
-A hobby moviemaker could curate a list of 100 generated "Nolan scripts" and get inspired by it. Modify it, remove parts, manually add some of his own style to it; or not.
-Generate the visuals scene by scene using of Hoyte van Hoytema's art style. If you don't like it, keep generating a 100 more variants or just stick with one and keep perfecting it detail by detail.
It might even require a bit of talent to do this, but you could still potentially do this over the course of like a month in you spare time and then upload it to youtube for everyone to see.
If making high quality movies was this easy, we would pratically have (almost) unlimited amount of (almost) Nolan movies.
@@danielkatona8778and it would be trash there’s nothing can top human art
@@manea7074 right now? true, but wait for another 3-4 years, there is no chance AI wont be able to create decent movies. Wait another 2-4 years after that, it might be on nolans level maybe a bit better. AI evolves at an exponential rate due to the amount of data we have. I work on GANs so I know what is next for generation. People already use AI art to aid in VFX tasks. its just a matter of time it gets implemented everywhere else.
My all time favorite director!!! A true master of filmmaking
Film making and shooting great visuals? Yes. Great script writer? No. His post dark night rises were pretty average as a basis, except for interstellar.
@@randomyoutubecommentersecu7639 I liked Interstellar (2014) although perhaps more as set-pieces. TENET (2020) is a brilliant film however I do think at times it tries too hard to be big bad evil. Solid spy flick though. The crazy thing is thinking about how the ending of the film is both an ending of the mission and the beginning of it.
@@randomyoutubecommentersecu7639who is your favorite script writer? Mine's tarantino
@@eskees9498 I love Tarantino movies, every time they end I keep feeling like nothing happened in the movie but was such a great experience that I want to do it again.
Did you just call Inception average even as a basis? @@randomyoutubecommentersecu7639
Gotta love a director that doesnt mind being pretentious
Time is the wisest counselor of all.
Shit that's deep.
I love how Nolan plays with time and perception
You know, I’ve never experienced sound issues, at least to my ears, while watching his movies. Weird.
Typically people complain that Nolan's preferred sound design drowns out dialogue. The only one of his movies where I've had that problem is Tenet.
I was concerned because people had made the same complaint about Oppenheimer, saying they'd need to watch it again with subtitles, but I actually found Oppenheimer's sound mix fine.
Obviously the theatre's sound system has an effect. I watched Opppenheimer on a relatively small screen (sacrilege, I know). I suspect the theatres with the big, booming sound systems actually contribute to the problem.
@@miked1869 Imo subtitles are always good bc often they say like a new name and the brain tries to interpret it like a word, and you spend like 5 seconds trying to process the sound and you miss like half a scene
@@microwavecoffee I have heard that many people habitually watch all shows and movies with the subtitles switched on now.
That's quite a turnaround from the days when many people refused to watch subtitled content (but in those days it was subtitled because the audio was in another language).
Personally I only use subtitles to go back and check an isolated bit of dialogue that I couldn't make out - or if I'm watching something and have to keep the volume right down to avoid disturbing someone else.
@@miked1869 That's fair. I get the point that looking at subtitles can take away from the viewing for some, but tbh it becomes second nature like breathing after a bit.
He loves peaking the sound for maximum impact in a lot of his films (i.e. the cutaways to the explosion in Oppenheimer), and there’s a bunch of dialogue scenes he seems to intentionally muffle (Tenet being the worst offender). But then again, Sound Mixing is a very subjective thing - so maybe I’m in the minority.
I'm an absolute sucker for time as a subject in movies, so I don't care what anyone says about a Nolan movie, I'll probably enjoy it.
It would be fun to see how Nolan could mess with time if he had the constraint of making a one-shot movie
The conflict of the film is time sensitive and essentially lasts most of the film's total runtime :0
I can't remember the name, but there was a film that was a one-shot set in three different eras. Most of the scenes were inside a palace, and the camera would often move to a different room to indicate a time shift.
Found it! It's called "Russian Ark"
In Inception, he accelerates time, in Interstellar, he dialates time, in Tenet, he inverts time. Nolan is truly a master of time.
In my opinion, Dunkirk is one of his best - if not his best - work.
I'd generally agree but I do wish he'd used just a *bit* of CGI to make it more accurate. Dunkirk itself is far too clean and in one piece relative to how it actually was, and there isn't near enough equipment or men on the beach to fully get across the scale of the evacuation operation. There are also modern day cranes in the background of some shots that could have been removed digitally.
I have nothing but the greatest of respect for Nolan doing as much as possible "in camera" but on some things CGI could have really helped Dunkirk be elevated.
@@jacktorrance3522 Dunkirk also just ignores the countless British forces at Dunkirk, instead it's all just Englishmen, instead of a blend of Irish Welsh and English, (With Scots regiments at the front holding the Germans off as long as possible)
@@jacktorrance3522 While I agree, he could have, this doesn't really change the movie. It's just that when you know these things, you want some historical accuracy. It's just a masterpiece in my mind. I've since been disappointed in Nolan a bit. Oppenheimer was decent but could have been better and Tenet is one of the worst movies ever made.
Wow. That filmography is starting to look incredible. Great movie after great movie.
6:15 Nolan does that on purpose and I think it is genius.
Jumping back and forth in time can be extremely confusing, as so I think there needs to be a clear, strong narrative benefit to doing so. In _Dunkirk,_ time jumps are deliberately done without any cue (other than the events themselves) as to where you are in the timeline, and they seem to be nothing more than a novelty, a puzzle for the viewer to figure out, without any real narrative purpose that I can see. It's an unnecessary distraction and an unwelcome source of confusion... as if there isn't enough to process in a story like this with so many characters.
All of this only applies if you see movies only as entertainment and not as a form of art. Dunkirk would be any other ww2 movie without those timelines. The timelines show the different aspects of the event while it was happening and thus gave different perspectives. If you couldnt see this thats your problem but I think its perfectly okay to not like it but dont say it was without any reasons
Just because YOU didn't understand it does not mean there is nothing to understand
Skill issue
It's not pretentious that CN approaches screenwriting so methodically. It's how his passion for making films manifests itself. He doesn't know how to do it a different way. It's how he thinks *he* should do it, and how *he* likes to do it. It's nothing more than that, at least in terms of his ego or having a big head about it. He just likes to see the story visually before it ends up as a long stream of words on a hundred pages in a screenplay.
+ to add on this, the sound & voice of characters are can be barely deciphered on purpose. You are hearing what that guy in the story is hearing, so the character is as clueless as you are while hearing it, so you'll eventually start putting together puzzles & that's the suspense, in ur brain.
I wish Nolan was just a technical advisor on other people's films.
I downloaded this video, cut it up, scrambled the clips together, so I could watch it non-linearly, I go by the name Christopher Nolan now
Could you elaborate more on what his exposition problems are? and how would you handle them if you were in the driving seat? I'm keen to learn your perspective since this has been a common notion among the nolan crtics. If you ask my opinion, for each particular script he chooses and the way he chooses to picture and layer it over the span of 10 years-incase of inception or over the span of an year and half-in case of oppenheimer or insomnia..i couldn't fault his jugdement of giving exposition while staying true to his cinematic vision. Not meant to be taken as a jab at you brother, I genuinely wanna know your take.
I think his exposition is handled well but especially in TENET (2020). Dunkirk (2017) did not need much but in TENET (2020) there is the big thing, an explanation through show and then implementation and building up more and more and more until the end. Although it does get confusing having to learn so very much.
There is motivated and unmotivated exposition in screenwriting. For example Interstellar has a bunch of unmotivated exposition; bunch of space scientists explaining another space scientist how gravity works and stuff. Inception had allot of exposition, but it's motivated since Ariadne for example has to learn about that world, so exposition is justified. Watch his movies and see if you can catch what's motivated and what not.
@@i-deni-i5138 isn't cooper learning something new when the other astro-physicists are explaining about how time dilation works for the interstellar travel they're about to embark, or during the wormhole scene, so doesn't it count as motivated exposition? I believe cooper was a former NASA pilot, but irrespective of the subjective knowledge he has on the interstellar travel-i guess he genuinely enquires about the mechanics and is taken a back by the "explanation"-by other astro-physicists on the spaceship.
@@ThomasMichaelShelby19 yeah, but why doesn't he know about all that? It is shown in the beginning of the film that he's scientifically motivated, yet he doesn't know that gravity affects time or how wormholes are theoretically created? I mean, I knew that and I'm not a NASA employee or former one. To me it just doesn't make sense that he doesn't know about such stuff.
Dat ape past the dinosaurs KEEPS, MESSIN, WITH, TIME
I remember watching Dunkirk and noticing the Ticking sounds - especially with the Spitifires.
‘Nolan really has some exposition issues’ Cries in the 1 hour slow start to Interstellar
So I can't put my finger on where I've heard Jack's voice before. Does he do video game reviews or something under a different name or something like that?
i was thinking the same thing. a certain australian man from the channel skill up
@@BasedImran As was I! Used to watch Skill Up's Division vids ages ago haha
HOW CAN AN COMBINED INTELLECTUAL AND ARTISTIC FILMS BE PRETENTIOUS? I think that ultimately is an ad hominem comment directed at Nolan. Hate him if you wish, but his art is intellectually strong, challenging, beautiful, and enjoyable to watch. THAT is special.
Apart from those rare realtime such as Victoria - can you think of any other realtime films?, let me know in the comments - all movies mess with time, it's called editing!
My uncle was on the Canadian destroyer The Restigouche in WW2.
great editing
Great director.
Nolan is easily the best modern director. Every movie he makes is a cultural event.
Tarantino, man.
That’s what’s wrong with modern cinema
Scorsese,Tarantino...
Quality watch! (time related pun intended)
I love how Nolan has basically made Time his b*tch
His sound mixing and exposition takes into account you watching it many times.
But, hey, I have issues with Beethoven sonatas I hear just a few times; so, I get it.
"Il cinema è un mosaico fatto di tempo"
A Brilliant Mind
Hey Jack 😊 thanks for uploading quality content my friend! shoutout from Sydney ❤ love the vids, keep ‘em coming!
PS. I was sorry to read about the copyright claims on your vids, hope a solution comes to light
I wish he'd spend less time (pun intended) on clever structure and more time on other aspects of the story. I often feel like his movies use their complexity to hide bad dialogue and flat characterization. His movies look amazing, but they often leave me cold and indifferent. You know that devastating scene in Interstellar where the character watches video of his daughter and sobs uncontrollably as he realizes he's missed decades of her life? I want his films to have more moments like that.
Always said our boy Nolan likes a bit o ketamine.
After "every frame a painting" seized uploading videos I was on methadone.... until I found this fucking channel. Amazing job!
I knew it.
Christopher Nolan: Time
Michael bay: mindless action/explosions
James Cameron: Expensive CGI/practical effects
Interstellar and Inception were bullshitty but had GREAT elements. Dunkirk was just great. Mans needs to make legible films.
Anyone say you sound like SkillUp yet? haha
Could be that you are in a Nolan Film, lol
The comment section needs to be renamed the poopie pants can't do anything myself hate section
There was stuff in Tenet that absolutely does not stand up to logical dissection.
Such as?
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i think chris nolan overdid the camera work in oppenheimer. anyone agree?
I mean Tenet may have haters, but Nolan :D:D Nah bro, Nolan aint got any.
Dunkirk is his best film, in my humble opinion. I must say, tho, that after Oppenheimer I grow tired of his jump cuts in time. I grow tired of seeing the same structure from him in every single film he releases.
I had it in Tenet
Do you just only watch his films or something?
@@johnnotrealname8168 no, why? It doesn't make any sense to ask me that question.
@i-deni-i5138 It does because you grow tired of seeing the same structure but presumably you are seeing different structures with different directors.
@@johnnotrealname8168 I'm talking about Christopher Nolan here
Commando is the goat.
6:12 disagree
The last thing I felt watching Dunkirk was suspense. Totally flatlined for me, this convoluted snore of a film. Worst of all: historically bullshit and propaganda.
Nolan's films are incredibly formulaic, stopped watching after Dunkirk, never was a fan of his muted colour palettes either
Nolan likes snorting his Time_Lines
only thing worse than nolan is his fanbois
nolan loves snorting his time lines.
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The only thing I hate about Nolan, is his damn awful audio mix. He can blather on about its artistic purpose, but if I can't hear jack shit in your movie, then it's a problem.
Great director, poor screenwriter.
No, Nolan is not damn good at exploring time. Actually I would argue he is one the worst. If you actually want some one that knows how to carefully utilize time to craft his art, I highly recommend Tarkovsky. Specially his film Zerkalo (1975) and his book Sculpting in Time!
Why?
Christopher Nolan lost me with Oppenheimer. Why was time manipulation so important? It's pretencious for sure. An attempt to elevate his intellect with overcomplicated drivel. The gimic has well and truely wore off.
this is why Nolan's movies are more and more predictable. The first 2 or 3 movies were interesting to watch but once you understand their structure they become so much boring
Dunkirk was SO BORING!!
Lousy movie.