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I think Chiron is so popular among new players because it delivers a big chunk of damage in one go and because it's ranged it feels safe. And the effect of all the arrows homing in looks cool.
I don't speed run anything, but watching Hades speedruns made me way better at the game. I wasn't using my dash enough, I didn't know how the god pool or styx sacks worked, I didn't consider that some boons were better for certain weapons (hello Hera + Crush Shot). The Hermes Cup and later your videos made me a much stronger player, even if I still think anything above about 22 heat isn't much fun.
It just FEELS good as well. You get a nice rhythm of the charged shot > dash > special.
I never found the rhythum with the bow. I'm in it with shield and fists though. Like Hades said, bows are for pussies. Come at me, brah
Curse of Nausea gives a ~43% increase to dps while Low Tolerance gives you 60%, so long as you can keep weak and 8 stacks of hangover on. This is actually an instance where that one aphro boon that makes weak last longer is moderately useful (still don't know why you can pom it though). I'd say Curse of Nausea is the better boon since it doesn't have extra conditions that have to be met, it's just a straight 43% increase.
One thing this has over other OP Chiron builds is that hammers are essentially an "extra": you can apply the maximum possible drunken stacks with a single volley, so it becomes a game of finding duo boons and that's generally easier than hoping to find Relentless and/or Concentrated Volley.
I find it better to get Aphrodite's attack and Artemis' cast instead. Aphrodite's attack gives me free privileged status as I have to attack an enemy to target it with chiron anyways. Also if i can get low tolerance later it means every enemy i target with chiron is already weak and can stack to 8. (Also heart rend can be cool but not as useful)
Good stuff, the extra hangover stacks can contribute to Art/Dio duo boon and grant more crit chance by default which could make the attack that much stronger. Although some people say getting Ares is better for faster tic damage (ares/dio duo boon) which is really the main focus of this build is hang over damage
@@TMind109 yeah what i like to do is get aphro on attack and ares on revenge then i can get both while the actual attack i have gives weak for low tolerance to work
Chiron just fun because a lot of stuff works on it. You can go Aphro/Artemis, Dio, Zeus and Demeter works incredibly well too, probably my favorite.
I have yet to find anything truly bad on the Chiron Special. Poseidon? Homing knockback + potential Sea Storm. Dio? You're drunk. Aphro? Concentrated volley + the bonus arrow hammer slaps. Artemis? Same. Demeter? Ten chill stacks to go boom is easy. Ares? Merciful end or doom stacks. Zeus? It's *Zeus.*
Underworld Customs is one of the first heat options I consistently started using. While it can have you making some difficult decisions, imo it has its place for several reasons:
1. It teaches you not to be too dependent on specific boons as a requirement to win. YOU can do this.
2. Whether you do or don't have Convenience Fee activated, it guarantees you extra gold if needed for wells and shops along the way*.
3. If you don't like any of your choices, and don't have/want to waste keys, there's a decent chance that you'll get to purge a wack boon you felt forced to accept.
4. It doesn't actually make the game harder in ways that matter (damage output or durability) but still helps you complete some heat-based objectives.
UC just became a no-brainer, like Forced Overtime, as I built toward my first 32-heat win recently.
*The only time UC really sucks is when you have a certain curse from Chaos active and can't receive gold.
Totally agree on Chiron more generally - it's what carried me through 32 heat, but now a couple of years later I never feel the need to use it.
Thanks for your vids! I just got through the game for the first time (after 31 attempts) and you helped me extremely with picking the correct boons.
I think for me the time i stopped caring about getting good, or rather getting unreasonably good, was when I did get good at one game. After you do it once the desire to be exceptional at a game kinda faded, like if i like a game i will make an effort to at least be better than most casual players but i don't have a pressing desire to surpass anyone because i know i have that one game that I'm pretty good at, where I did give my all and got good results.
This is my mindset as well. I like to get above average at a lot of different games that interest me, rather than try and be super amazing at one. I just like bouncing from game to game, investing a lot of effort in a short period of time and then moving on.
Coming back to this again after playing Hades 2 for a bit. Extremely funny that Hades lightly pokes fun at Zagreus’s heterochromia. He really can’t say anything now that Kid #2 has the same eyes. Sir that’s your strong genetics
On the topic of speedrunning, I think the monster hunter series is a great introduction to casual speed running. It tracks your time for each fight in game, so you can simply work on killing monsters faster. It's a great way to compete with yourself. You can also do Arenas which are standardized builds, and you compete for global (steam region) times.
In an attempt to get all the run clear messages (just hit 250, only have the 500 left), I started getting into (casual) speedrunning of Hades. I've thought about it/sorta tried for other games before, but never got anywhere with it. I think Hades was more appealing / easier to stick with because 1) each run is fairly short (minutes, not hours), 2) each run is different, which keeps things fresh (although also makes improving time a bit harder/more luck based), and ,by far the biggest reason, 3) the IGT means I can speedrun it wherever (I own it on the Switch) and don't have to worry about keeping track of time myself.
Speaking of ambiguity bonus, there is some lore explaining it. When you get it first time, sisyphus asks if you doubt bouldy! You just gotta keep believing 🙏
I gotta stop watching your videos. We just finished 100% on the Xbox after I did on Steam. Now we need to go complete it on switch for the trifecta
Owing hades on every platform possible is just fate, my friend
@@DudlesDevThe son of the god of the dead shall one day break free from the realm in which he was born on each the various platforms:
✓Steam
✓Xbox
PlayStation
Switch
iOS
@@DudlesDev I bought it four times. Twice on PC, one for my friend. Switch and Xbox. Stop playing on the switch because of the performance.
@DeeStrongfist Same, but sometimes sacrifices must be made for Hades on the go
Hades is releasing on mobile too by Netflix games.
8:20 "How do we feel about speedrun challenges?"
I love it, and they're some of my favorite videos you do. In fact, I'd love a video (or videos) of you just going as hard as you possibly could lol. Presumably using Hera, seeing the lowest time you could get.
Most of my PBs are on here! Here's my best ever 3 weapon run (very try hard): ua-cam.com/video/zK9kofkLP-E/v-deo.html
I know for a lot of my "casual" videos I often take things that are more fun than actually good (or so I say), it's probably because YT doesn't see the dozens or even hundreds of resets from doing speedruns where I always take the best things every attempt. So I get kinda bored of taking those and try to do other stuff in videos like this.
@@Haelian I love the casual, goofy runs, too lol. You're one of the few UA-camrs whose thumbnail I click no matter what the video is, so do whatever's most fun.
I love speedrunning Hades and I'm thinking about streaming Hades 2 EA... I went down from 14 something on the fists, to Hera 13:36 (with EM4 turned on), and then Hera 12:48! I would be satisfied if i could get to 10 minutes or sub 10 before H2EA comes out. I watch you and the world records to learn how to kill enemies more efficiently. The repetitiveness is really soothing for me after a day of work. I have like maybe 800 runs in hades. I tend to play seeds out because resetting feels "bad," I can't explain it lol. I almost reset the 12:48 Hera run because I could not get crush shot until elysium. but I got flurry shot and twin shot and I played it out.
Thank you for another adventure ❤
27:22 interestingly, I know Celeste speedruns has no RNG that matters for humans (theres a little RNG with how spikes spawn that makes a difference for TAS, but that's not an issue outside of TAS)
Yeah, I don't wanna be a speedrunner to get #1, but i do wanna get sub-10 on each weapon (*maybe* each aspect??) in Hades, sub-1-hour in Celeste and then optimize a little bit, but that's just a personal goal :P
Oh lmao you mention it a moment later. Yeah, no RNG for humans, my mistakes can only be blamed on myself 😂
Here's is an altered version of this build that I use:
Attach: Aphrodite
Special: Dionysus
Cast: Artemis
Dash: Any
Call: any
Vengeance: Ares
start off with Dionysus and hope you get those gods in Tartarus. If you don't get attack, use Aphrodite's keepsake in Asphodel and the respective god's (that you don't have yet) keepsake for Elysium. Always go for the Duo boons. Optimal hammers are concentrated volley and relentless volley
Add a splash dash so you're eligible for the 'all boons are epic' boon
Prolly Chiron+Curse of Nausea is my favorite build for fun (Ares on attack). I just pommed/mom-pommed the eff out of the dot as much as possible, I think level 24 or something. It just melts things. Shoot enemies once and walk away. Great on bosses too as it ticks chunks off health while you’re doing other stuff like taking care of adds.
I think this is pretty much the build i first beat 32 heat with. I didnt have ares though, i think i got Broseidon + Dio and got the expert boons duo super early in tartarus. I had the athena dash too. Same attack, special and call though,
You really do get nutso call buildup with chiron + dio.
i hate speedruns in general because it makes me feel anxious while playing the game and cant play at my own pace
I don’t really care to try and speed run, I really prefer to play at my own pace and really enjoy the game rather than do my best to break it or only play a perfect meta build. Especially in a game like this where there’s so many options. If you’re speed running the Cod campaign (I wouldn’t do this either lol) you know whatever, but a game like hades I’ll just enjoy casually.
I usually hate math, but I ended up doing the math for this, 24:40 technically the aphro duo is better, because (assuming your hangover damage is six, you can do the same calculations with higher numbers of course) it deals 12 damage per second at base, then, if the stack multiplies the way I think it does(each stack dealing an additional 12 damage per second) then you would deal 96 dps. Meanwhile, while the base DPS rate with the ares boon is 18 at base, the total DPS with stacks is lower at 90 dps. Of course if you can get both it'd be HELLA strong, at 144 dps.
Edit: the above is assuming I did my math right(stoned)
my favorite bow build is probably hunters mark aspect of zagreus artemis attack and pressure points you crit almost everytime i beat the game with it yesterday
The thing thing that finally got me to my first hades kill after 80 attempts (many with top tier Chiron builds) is I got Hermes move speed, more dash, and move speed after dashing. I was insanely fast and this gave me a ton of survivability , which was my issue with hades. I just kept getting hit. Being able to get the hell out of danger instantly was clutch.
For this reason I actually like flurry shot, and it may even be better for me than the two traditional hammer upgrades because you can jump out of cover shoot and run super fast with no need to charge.
Sounds like athena on dash might've been helpful for you since it can be tough getting all those hermes boons.
I had started the climb through playing rounds of increased heat on my switch and that was probably a few months after it came out? I'll go back to it every once in awhile but now that I have a PS5 I haven't been getting on my switch except for like giveaways for other games that other UA-camrs are doing so Hades was on sale recently on my PS5 so I got that and like the third escape I played with my shield I went all the way through and defeated Lernie, all I had was the first set of Night mirror upgrades, one death defiance, and I only had 20 health the whole fight it was beautiful to watch I was holding my breath the whole time, I didn't realize how much playing on the switch was holding me back 😂😅
I like speed running against myself, just trying to get a new PB.
When it comes to speedrunning I think people should want to based on love of a game. I recently finished 32 heat on all weapons and now finished sub 10 minutes on one weapon. Plan to do all weapons sub 10 and attempt fresh start clear. Hades is just that addictive to me. Only logged more hours on Skyrim, FF8, and FF12.
Random info: The sneak is def in the game before you get a clear. I've fought it and didn't get my first clear until last night.
I did this build before and yeah it was a blast
I got my first full run with this build on run 18. Its a wonderbuild lmao
With Chiron you should really be firing 2-3 specials per attack against bigger enemies! Or 4 with any amount of special speed
i did try to speedrun diablo 2 resurrected about 2-3 month after release on a poison necro..... i was little over 3 hours slower at the end of act 2 wich is where i figgured that a necro might not be the fastest choice. I did have lots of fun on my try tho
I got my first 16 hear run with chiron and dionysis
sneak can appear after REACHING [REDACTED] once, so you dont have to beat him
haha this is my most used build and the build I did 32 heat with. I prefer to have Aphro attack tho, so as soon as you attack them they are already weakened.
i know this comment probably wont be seen by anyone, but to answer your question in this video regarding speed running, personally i dont do it for a multitude of reasons 1. time - i have to work 2 jobs just to get by in life, i dont have any time for myself, and the time i do have for myself i ant to spend it relaxing to make up for all the lack of time i have to relax through out the week. 2. the games i enjoy either have ridiculously fast speed runs like from 7-15 minutes, or the speed runs are like this game where unless i get god tier roles with RNG, i'd be spending 25+ minutes on just a single run, which also gets tossed back in to the timing aspect. The shorter minute ones are games that i just dont see myself being able to get that fast at, like i'll barely beat the game in 30+ minutes when i'm TRYING to go fast lmao I also feel like peoples builds dont work the same for me as they do for others. I tried doing a build exactly like this one, but i just dont seem to beat the bosses or the monsters from room to room all that fast, either i'm not doing enough damage, or my tick damage isn't doing enough, and i look up how to make it better, do what i have to to make it better, and i just dont see the results. 🤷♂ So i feel like i just dont understand things the way others do, maybe specific way to use certain weapons/attacks, and how to do things to make the damage better, but i also, once again, dont have the time to research it in order to get better lmao
Most people when running this try to put a status boon on the attack (instead of Artemis) to more easily trigger the 40% 3 status damage
Didn't link that vid in the description! Sounds like an interesting watch
OOPS www.speedrun.com/challenges/5e3eoymq-pop_tlc-pit-of-eternal-sands-10-000-speedrun-challenge
Speedrunning got me back into gaming. I hadn't really been gaming after the PS2 generation but I randomly came across some Dark Souls 1 speedruns right as Dark Souls 3 was about to release and it was just wildly entertaining to me and it made me want to play those games. I personally don't speedrun just because of the time investment and I personally enjoy a more chill gaming experience but watching them is fun.
Imo the most fun way to do this build is without Artemis and to instead go Aphro attack with whatever fourth god you want, preferably Athena. I just feel like the duo with Artemis isn't good
As far as speed running, I wanna get back into speedrunning lego batman. I would ideally be a lego kind of speedrunner because those are the games I've played the most since I'm pretty casual. And I know them like the back of my hand. Unfortunately there's just a lot of near perfect glitches you have to use and I felt kinda overwhelmed doing it to be honest.
I… i did it??
I cleared 32 heat?
With the build on the video???? (An absolutely atrocious version cause i got no duo boons lmao + God Mode on cause now I just want to finish getting the stuff I’m missing)
How do you exactly speedrun roblox?
best part of speedruning is meme runs
Ah the build that you’ll have pain in your thumb after playing a bit on controller :D
I don’t really like chiron in particular because it felt really slow, I’ve cleared every aspect on 32 heat and chiron is the only one I have to set tight deadline to 7 minutes
Never mind I just cleared 32 heat 5 minutes deadline chiron with seastorm
I would probably use aphro's attack to activate privileged status and take artemis's cast for duo boon.
Is relentless volley actually worth if dio only stacks 5/8 times? Its diminishing returns after that, I'd rather have flurry shot
If Zeus or arctic blast demeter on special I'd go for it but not dio
Either option is fine there really.
there is a duo boon that allows hangover to stack more than 5 times so I assumed that was the reason he picked relentless volley.
@@uranus256 Chiron already fires 8 shots which is the cap with that duo
i did this with ares special and aphrodite attack
I love speed running but I'm way to much of a completionest to pull off speed runs myself lol 😆
100% runs of games are very much a thing! for example the Celeste 100% run world record is just under 1h40m
I'm surprised with the choice of Dionysos for the special, I'm mean... It's cool and all but against bosses, once you've maxed out hangover doesn't it stop scaling ? Not an expert but wouldn't Zeus or Artemis have more dps ?
Having say that I'm sure if that's the speed runner's choice there is a very good reason I don't really understand
Artemis might be better but is more dependent on getting the right hammers, Zeus isn't great because there's a cooldown on the lightning strikes. Chiron isn't great for speedrunning in general, this is just a fun build you can do with it.
Woah woah woah where is the info about the bounty!
OOP
www.speedrun.com/challenges/5e3eoymq-pop_tlc-pit-of-eternal-sands-10-000-speedrun-challenge
and recommend eris builds for 16 heat?
ua-cam.com/video/15I2K_15kcI/v-deo.html
Why does Haelian pauses game so much? Is there any particular reason to it or?
Habit from Tight Deadline, pausing stops the clock.
@@Haelian ty for the reply ❤️
Since you asked, I couldn’t care less about speed running.
4:10 the sneak isnt in the game until you reach the surface for the first time, not when you get the first clear bc i just reached the surface for the first time and died :( but i have now found the sneak and demeter
The only thing more consistent than your Hades videos is the glory of your clickbait titles.
Don't forget the throat clear 😂
THIS BUILD ATE MY DOG AND IF YOURE NOT CAREFUL ITLL EAT YOURS TOO!!!!