60 plot holes is truly insanity it’s crazy that we love it as much as we do. Any other show with 60+ plot holes I would never watch again yet I watch pll religiously
I’m to the point where I would rather watch these kinds of UA-cam videos than rewatch the show 😂 once I get to mid season 5 I’m like PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY
@@shelbymiller893 literally the amount of times I’ve watched these types of deep dives of literally all the big 2000-2010 shows… My screen time for youtube is unseemly
YES, no matter how much I like Original Sin, what I've always really wanted was a spinoff of what Allison was doing those two years she's unaccounted for. It would've filled so many Ali related plot holes
Imagine being a young adult, maybe 19 or 20 and finding out your boyfriend is sleeping with your 14 year old neighbor… and then giving the child a bloody lip 🙃 then blaming your sister years later when that same man abuses her. WHEWWW. Melissa Hastings was something else 😅
Regardless of if they slept together yet or not, Ian didn't have that video camera facing the bed to film them sleep. & you completely missed my point either way. @@NightRises234
@@NightRises234 True. But he was grooming her & Spencer. He had every intention of sleeping with Ali. You don't take a girl to a hotel bedroom with a camera set up to not sleep with her. The only reason he didn't is because Melissa showed up. The showrunners really had a problem with letting predators get away with their crimes.
The sad thing Darren wilden is not even the only predator police officer in that town and show 😭🤡 The girls can’t catch a break, either it’s their teacher or it’s one of the police officers 🤦🏽♀️ oh and let’s not forget Melissa’s boyfriends 😅
a plot hole that just don’t make sense to me is the fact that cece and bethany as kids kills marion and in a flashback toby and alison as teenagers interact with live marion. like??? toby and alison are younger than cece, how marion dies when toby is a teenager if Cece was still a child???
that was just the writers messing up. Chronologically that is impossible, considering they pay Wilden off to rule it a suicide and Wilden/Cece are almost the same age 🤣
What Marlene said was that flashbacks are to be interpreted by the eyes of who remembers it. So whoever remembered that time between Alison and Toby, that's how they looked at themselves at that age, even if they were like 12 or 13 and looked way older, it was correct.
yeah and i’m the first halloween episode, when jenna moves in with toby, he says his mum died a year ago that day which means she could’ve been 14 and cece would’ve been like 16-18ish so the writers def butchered it
honestly its so sloppy to have most of the questions answered via Marlene completely off the show. It shows that they didn't actually plan anything lol.
Or it shows they planned it that way so every week, millions of teenage girls had to log in to twitter to watch and follow along while tweeting Marlene. Looking back at how she strung us along and made it so you only knew everything IF you followed her and saw all her tweets and watched all her interviews…it’s weird.
Honestly though and it’s clear that they probably wanted someone else for A than Cece. Maybe Ezra or Aria. But bc they successfully groomed the audience into thinking they are cute, the ship couldn’t be destroyed anymore xD I mean why else would you take Ezra who was quickly arrested in the books and make him that. But then again they did the same with Toby and Jenna (switched their roles in that sibling thing😨, so that Toby can become a LI)
fr 20 episodes(i think) for most seasons is just too many, there won’t even be an A message or act until the last minutes of the show or not be there whatever
Probably, but you have to remember when this was being aired MOST TV shows were running about 22ish episodes a season sometimes even more. ABC family was pumping that shit out !
one plot hole i never got was that mona got into so many ivy league universities BUT Spencer couldn't get into any and it was blamed on Radley BUT Mona was in there twice and for so much longer than Spencer was but it had no impact on her???
I always thought Wilden was trying hard to pin Ali’s murder on the girls so nobody would ever find out it was a cover up. He would have been over if anyone found out he did so.
In the US you can legally buy a gun even if ur legally blind, plus there’s tons of ways to get a gun under the table, so it’s totally plausible that Jenna could buy a gun as a blind teenage
One of the things that bugged me was how did Cece have a great sisterly relationship with Alex but hated Spencer? And also why did Alex hate Spencer and wanted to be her when she hadn't even met her and surely Cece didn't talk wonders about Spencer and the girls, she hated them? The entire idea or Spencer's twin made no sense to me.
she explains to alison she hates the girls because of how they acted when she had “died” but she never really hated them she just liked toying with them it was fun for her. with alex i mean it makes sense her twin got everything she never got and she felt like spencer was ungrateful and that actually she deserved it. spencer grew up in a wealthy family and alex was working in a bar at 18
The problem with the shows writing was the writers were more concerned about stumping the fans who guessed correctly what was gonna happen, they had all these balls in the air and ended up dropping them all instead of just catching them!
Anyone who has been in an anatomy class or a lab which handles cadavers would still have a million questions after you answered the first plot hole. A cadaver is veryyy different from a freshly deceased person’s body. And if law enforcement can’t differentiate between these two then idk what to tell you except that 50% of the plot holes can be written off to incompetent police. 😂
Respect to you for actually doing this, pll barely made sense in the last few seasons and I can already understand how much time it took to gather everything to make this vid
I feel like a lot of us figured out the endings and they changed it to keep us guessing. They ended up messing it up😔 us figuring it out doesn’t mean it was bad..
Honestly! They just seem like things that the writers either had plans for or just threw in for the “drama” but it’s just weird. Maya knew in particular like….
Literally! Even solving her murder told us nothing 😭😭 like I think they should have just said that Maya knew who A was and they killed her. That would have been such a simple explanation
As a trans person, I think that Cece was just using her previous identity to lengthen the game, if she had set them up to find her direct identity it would’ve ended the game sooner and she was obviously obsessed with the game, finding out who Charles “really was” was just another step for her to add to mess with the liars (also I’m pretty sure the writers weren’t really consulting actual trans people while making this storyline they just made Cece trans as a like “ooh wouldn’t this be a cool twist”)
It felt so weird to me, like no one I know would want to go by their deadname.... It would have made so much sense to me if she teased being a sibling, but well a sister and them trying to investigate only find charles and are confused cause that does not match
isn't this plot twist (?) the one that happened because the actual ending of that season got leaked/people figured it out too easily so showrunner rushed to change it to literally anything else? 0 consulting in sight, they did it for shock value and iirc no one was impressed or happy w it
except for the plot holes where Dan was gg but read blasts by himself and was shocked by them. I know the role of gg was spread around but I'm talking season 1 💀
I think in terms of Cece using the name Charles in the doll house, I think it was either the writers didn't know who A was going to be yet so they ke[t it general because even when A was Mona, it never looked like a "girl" when the liars caught a glimpse of A(Mona). Cece could have also done this so they wouldn't suspect her bc as soon as it was presumed to be male they only suspected males even thought before the dollhouse they had their suspensions of her.
I'm like 88% sure that Andrew was going to be A. The guy who played him was caught with drugs or something. You fan tell because the last episode he's in his voice sounds a lot deeper that normal
for réal, i always thought it meant that Alison pretended that it was meredith but it was hers, makes no sense tho cause i can’t find a reason for her to do that
I think it was implied that alison hid the earring in the couch to push aria over the edge and then destroying her dads study because she just loved chaos and drama 🤷♀️
A relatively simple way to explain many plot holes and plot motives of numerous characters is to realize that many of the characters are out of their minds and completely crazy: Melissa, Shana, Jenna, Noel Kahn, Sara Harvey, Jessica, Wren...I mean the list is endless. The actions of all these characters can't be explained with logical common sense😂 they just don’t act like normal people.
@@chelsie2767The one that drives me nuts is when “A” goes to tour Emily’s house and uses that opportunity to delete files from the laptop. It doesn’t make sense why Mona would want to buy a house
I love how exasperated you are after each time you mention a new plot hole😅 like oh god here we go again, another failure the writers left up to us to make it make sense lol
22:28 as someone who was in a mental hospital, it was probably a visitors pass to see Mona specifically, because she wasn’t allowed to go outside and was only allowed in her room, so Cece would probably need a visitors pass if she’s visiting Mona specifically
1:15:27 on how Cece and Sarah met, I have a theory: I think Cece did kidnap Sarah, almost like a “practice run” before she kidnapped the girls. I think they mention it at some point, like a police theory, and it kind of makes sense - it would explain the Stockholm syndrome (that we never find out if she was faking it or not, but it had justification enough that actual doctors and therapist testified to it), and treated her like her doll, maybe not always in the dollhouse, but always like that “precious little Ali-like” thing she had, and as Sarah was never really *wanted*or *cared for*, any resemblance of that made her do whatever Cece asked of her, from being the black widow up to actually living in that dollhouse
It was confirmed it was Mary Drake creeping in Spencer's room, not Jessica. Mary knew she was her daughter and snuck in to see her. I believe this was the same night Mary killed Jessica and she figured she'd stop by while she was already next door 😂 I also believe Ren was supposed to be Uber A. I remember these tweets went viral from a supposed 'disgruntled ex employee' who was mad they got fired and blabbed about A being Ren and the back story as to why. Marlene did damage control and tweeted it wasn't true. But then when the show ended and Ren was still involved, I thought it probably was true and they made up the character of Alex Drake last minute to cover for the ending being spoiled. And Ren as Uber A would of been a better ending then what we got and made more sense anyway
Before I watch the video, I must say that a lot of things people refer to as "plot holes" I don't get. Maybe it's just because seasons 4 and 5 are the seasons I rewatch the most, but I feel like I've found an answer to almost everything people say. EDIT: 1:51 I never questioned where A got a cadaver because I also wouldn't question where A got a cow tongue. But I guess since cows are anonymous, and humans are... not, people would wonder if A actually killed someone just for this. But I never thought that. 5:00 There _is_ an answer given for this, but the _way_ it's answered is really weird. Hanna's nightmare makes it seems like her imagination is going out of control, but then the Liars talk about it as if they already knew. But why would Hanna dream about Ali telling them something she must have already told? idk dream logic. In S1, it's left ambiguous whether Ali or Ian pushed the girl, and S4 acts like everyone thinks it was Ali, but since it was never "confirmed", I guess it left room to put Noel in. 6:20 There's an ongoing motif throughout the series with Jenna and guns, starting in S2 where Spencer says Jenna will be able to aim a gun if she can see again. S7 is the big payoff to that. 7:05 It is Wilden, but it's again confirmed in a non-conventional way. By the time Aria finds out that Ezra is Board Shorts, it's still assumed that Beach Hottie and Board Shorts are the same person. But since we find out that Ezra and Ali never had sex (thankfully), we're supposed to go "Oh, so Wilden was Beach Hottie after all". 7:33 It's Cece, and I thought it was pretty straightforward. When Spencer asks "Ali" (or rather, her vision of Ali) if it was Toby, "Ali" says "Girls fight dirtier than boys." Immediately after this, Spencer finds Cece's fake visitor's pass, and Wren tells her "Alison pulled some stunt in a frat party they got CeCe kicked out of University." For the next 13 episodes, the Liars (correctly) think that Cece is A/Red Coat. They only get misdirected when they find her name on Ezra's payroll. 12:20 Wait, when was it said that Bethany or Cece had a duplicate Ali bracelet? I don't think that Jessica giving Cece the same clothes as Ali included that. 14:37 To repost what I commented on the Ravenswood video: I love this idea, and what's great is that both Troian and Marlene have expressed interest in the same thing -- Troian when she guested on the Bros Watch PLL podcast (the first time, right before S6 started airing), and Marlene in a Reddit AMA the night S5 started airing. 19:15 You're right, but I think it's funny how Cece lied to her roommate by saying she was going to LA after "dropping out", when she was actually going back to Radley. And she lied that she was still paying rent lol 21:48 Cece said (in her "reveal" episode) that Mona helped her get discharged from Radley. Makes sense to me. 27:30 I mean, if we're not gonna question how Ian, Garret, and Jason snuck the NAT club in, I wouldn't question this... except I never went to prom, so I don't know how it works. Do the Prom king and queen _have_ to be a couple? If Jason took Cece and was voted king, does Cece become queen by default? 28:31 Well, if they grew up apart so much, it would be hard for Cece to view him as her sibling. At least she had the sense to resist any sex. 30:46 You're right, he didn't know, but I think Wilden considered it. In S1, he thinks the Liars "know" who killed Ali. Meaning if it wasn't any of them, they probably know it's Cece given they were nearby. In S5, it's revealed that Jessica gave a statement to Wilden that she saw Spencer with a blond girl, but A (Cece) payed him to bury the statement and keep Jessica quiet using her affair with Bethany's father as blackmail. There's also the fact that Wilden also needed to hide his own involvement in that night. 32:11 You provide good explanations, but I genuinely think the only reason why this is asked so much is that people were/are hung up on the idea that Aria is/was supposed to be A. Maybe I don't get it bc I only watched the show last year, I wasn't along for the ride. 34:29 In the third episode, Hanna says that Wilden was in the class of 96, meaning he's 32 when the Liars start their junior year in S1. In S4, in what I'm guessing was a misguided shoutout to the books, they say Melissa and Wilden went to high school together, and then the writers belatedly remember that they made Wilden older. 37:37 Wait, I thought A (Mona) made the fake bracelet in the woods and gave the real one to the police? Also, I rewatched the scene where Jason gives it to them, and they don't say Bethany was wearing it. J: "Alison was wearing it." H: "Wait, you mean when they found her?" and then Jason dodges the question. 38:16 What Jason saw was Melissa burying Bethany. He hallucinated that as Melissa talking to Cece, thinking that must mean Cece was wearing the same clothes as Ali. 47:56 Wasn't there a map? 53:41 Because Ali and Jason somehow never learned their mom's maiden name lol 55:09 Shana set the fire, not Wilden, ruining Cece's plan. Wilden was killed around the same time, so the Liars didn't have an alibi, since they couldn't reveal they were at the lodge. The only thing I'm confused about is why Spencer lured Jenna there. I think there was going to be more with Jenna knowing Ali's alive and manipulating Nigel, but her actress was pregnant during filming of S4. 57:14 Well, we know A likes hurting the Liars' partners and framing whoever they're suspecting at any given time. But the self-defense link is actually really clever on your part. 58:48 Because she lied. She straight-up gave him this whole tale of seeing Ali and Spencer fight and Jessica paying her to keep quiet. And yeah, Ali lied about being Cece's roommate. 1:06:08 Well, it's worth pointing out exactly what was said "I get a phone call this afternoon, 'We have your daughter here,' they tell me, 'We think she might be a danger to herself, she wants to stay here.'" Notice specifically "your daughter". 1:07:44 Cece can do whatever she wants, but what I'd like know is why did the Liars assume A put the blocks like that? Wouldn't it make more sense to assume it was Mona? Does that mean A really did put the anagrams in Mona's mirror? If it was A, well, Cece was obsessed with nostalgia, so she probably put the blocks like that to resemble her old room. 1:14:42 I wonder less HOW they met and more WHEN they met. Must have been on one of Cece's "sneaking out of Radley" trips 1:15:55 The Carissimi Group? 1:23:12 I'm more confused why he disappeared when he said he'd meet Ezra 1:24:59 The shovel was A (Mona), Garret just let Jenna believe it was him 1:27:10 The flashback to this in S7 expands on this scene and confirms it was Mary 1:29:40 Melissa told Spencer she was trying to protect her and sent Jenna and Shana to find out who the Liars were meeting 1:31:31 I don't know why they changed this at the last second. 2x13, 4x1, and 4x16 all imply/state it was in 2007. My best guess is that they wanted to incorporate it smoothly as a part of Cece's backstory rather than just have Cece tell it as a random aside... and the best way to do that is to retcon it to be way further back than established? idk. If I'm right, then it probably would've been revealed another way if S6 was the last season and it ended with the Cece reveal. 1:35:54 EVERYONE thought Garrett killed Maya, even Mona (Miss Aria You're A Killer Not Ezra's Wife). Everyone in Rosewood agreed that Maya must have found something that connected Alison to Garrett, and that Garrett killed her because she was on her way to give it to Emily. Nobody except Jenna (who witnessed it and pretended her surgery didn't work to protect herself) and CeCe (who ig was on one of her regular "sneaking out of Radley" trips that night) knew that Lyndon was Maya's real killer. 1:39:01 Ali blackmailing Cyrus makes sense, and I guess A (Cece) just stole Spencer's recording for the lulz, but I'm still confused what Melissa had to do with that 1:41:24 If the entire rest of the series didn't make it clear that police are useless, Holbrook claiming he was "up to his holster" in "all things Cece Drake" and not actually finding anything about her definitely should I'm not sure if this was ever mentioned in the video, but I'm certain Jessica purposely identified Bethany's body as Ali. It's confirmed in S7 that she knew Ali was alive, and in S5, Veronica tells Spencer that about a week after Ali's disappearance, Jessica stormed up to them and accused Spencer of having something to do with it.
11:19 I’m still confused bc there was that scene where Jason was high/drunk messing with the water hose when he noticed Ali talking to someone by a tree. When he called out her name, he then saw that it was actually Cece in the yellow top talking to Melissa
Maybe I didn't hear you right, but the person Aria stabbed on the train was later shown to have been Jason. And it was Mary Drake in Spencer's room, there's a whole flashback about that in season 7. Overall, I didn't appreciate half of these being explained as "open to public's interpretation" or literal tweets or interviews explaining what happened, like why not answer that on the actual show??? Amazing job, Lauren, really in depth and everything.
The episode where Ali says that Noel pushed the girl, that was in Hanna's dream. That whole part was a dream of Hanna's. But then later in the episode Hanna says we know Noel pushed that girl. But do we know that? Because Hanna dreamt it.
The timeline is the most messed up plot hole in the show imo. It frustrates me every time i rewatch it. The fact that they are seniors from the beginning of season 3 and only graduate mid season 6 is INSANE. They go through at least two years of events during those 6 months or so and i can never not think about that.
I've been rewatching this week, and I honestly don't understand how this show was so "addictive " & "captivating" ... it's just messy and chaotic, and definitely not as clever as it's making out. Not when I have way more questions than answers after each episode. Plus this show was to dated to be so out of date, like wasn't EVERY single think A sent via electronic communication or written, which can both be tracked. Plus they never use their phones to do anything when it comes to backing their stories/experiences for evidence. Just why😂
I thought the puzzle on the board game was a map? I remember them putting it together and realizing that it was a map and it lead them to where Alex Drake had re-buried Archer Dunhill.
A lot can happen in 2 years in PLL time haha! Considering season 3 through half of season 5 was done in the matter a few months. So the 2 years Ali was gone would have been cool to see.
Plotholes like these make me believe that the writers did not know/care about the plot and just threw red herrings simply for the hell of it..also lol at writers messing up cece bethany mary Kavanaugh and toby ali mary scene with the ages
Absolutely perfect just finished watching the show in my God it didn’t create me of how many potholes and let me tell you the series finale didn’t even feel like a series finale . like what the hell was that about Jenna on a horse and the tap dancing and I ate it was just bizarre
I always thought Cece talking about having a roommate etc. was just her trying to make sounding like going to UPenn seem like a normal experience and not that she was in Radley
There is one plot hole I never see anyone talk about.. if cece was A then who called the police on her?! It shows right before the girls meet up with Ali for the first time in New York at the end of the scene someone in a black hoodie and black gloves looking at a hotel sign in book and seeing CeCe Drake and then calling the rosewood police?! But if CeCe was A why would she call the police on herself for the murder of Wilden??!
12:33 jessica once said that alison and cece used to trade clothes, accessories and personalities so probably they had the same bracelet to make more serious
I'm doing a re-watch with my best friend at the moment and purposely skipping the filler episodes and just answering questions she may have due to the wide list of plot holes
In my high school, there was an entire class for yearbook (where you learned about photography, layout design, photoshop etc) and the students put the contents of the yearbook together. It isn't far-fetched that they could have added CeCe in, but prom usually takes place later in the year than when the yearbook goes to print, so the erroneous mention of CeCe being prom queen wouldn't have contradicted any photos in the actual book. But its about as weird as the yearbook listing N.A.T Club when that club didn't actually exist, so maybe they wrote whatever was self-reported by the students?
trans viewer here, chiming in to say that, yeah, this was a wildly mishandled story. it doesnt make any sense, and very few trans people would be willing to use their deadname and former/never-actually-real identity to trick someone. that exact concept is a transphobic trope. it wouldve had to be noel in the suit, bc we can see thats clearly not what cece's frame looks like. she transitioned young, her petite frame makes perfect sense. the only explanation was that she was using noel to pretend to be a grown male self that never existed (outside of her fathers ideal, i suppose) but that is a deeply transphobic trope, particularly with a one dimensional villain. the whole plotline was a huge miss
They did reveal why Mrs. D was in Spencer's room. It wasnt Mrs. D, it was Mary Drake. There was a whole scene about it. Peter catches her leaving the house, he thinks it's Jessica but it was Mary wanting to see Spencer.
What if Sara was in Radley too and her parents just said she ran away to cover it up because that town is similar to Rosewood when it comes to reputation
1:09:30 as a trans individual who’s introduction with the idea of being transgender was via Cece on PLL, I definitely have conflicting opinions. Obviously I look at the show through rose colored glasses because I hold it so dearly. However, I definitely think using the name Charles was the writers trying to throw off the viewers. But I can also see it from the mindset of maybe cece wanting them to think they know who A is and kind of weaponizing the fact she is trans to play with their minds more. I still think there could potentially be a lot of discomfort from being addressed by one’s deadname but maybe she saw it as worth it to play the game… Idk that’s just my take!
The Cecelia drake in clubs in the yearbook reminds me of cookie and Ned, from Ned's declassified school survival guide, sneaking in club photos during picture day. I also snuck in a club photo in high school. They just give a paper and pass it in order of the people sitting. Line 1 was front, line 2 second row - left to right
48:07, The puzzle pieces were revealed to have been some sort of drawing and were scanned so that the liars knew where to find Archer's body. From the PLL wiki
I always just assumed the bloody lip Alison had when she ran into Veronica was given to her by Jessica. We know they didn't have a good relationship, and she had just come from her house. I figured her change of expression was knowing that by her saying that telling her parents would make it worse, she was telling Veronica without telling her, and that Veronica would read more into it than what had actually happened and assume it was a regular thing when it was probably the first occasion Jessica went too far. The smug satisfaction in her expression told me she had goaded whoever gave her the bloody lip into doing it, and LOVED that she was now being seen as the victim instead of a participant.
The one about Jessica being in spencers room re watch it and then rewatch where spencers dad tells spencer about Mary coming to see her its the same scene so it wasn't Jessica it was in fact Mary 😊
lucas visits mona in radley, when caleb finds hannah leaving after she said she was gonna do something else, they see lucas leave when they are fighting. i think thats when mona was blackmailing him to be on the a team
The Eddie Lamb thing seems really simple to me. Aria was volunteering under false pretenses so that she could snoop around Radley and gain information. Even if it wasn’t illegal (which I’m pretty sure it was), it’s certainly against the volunteer rules and would make her look extremely suspicious if found out. Aria has been to Radley before-visiting Spencer. She was probably afraid he, as a staff member who was taking care of Spencer at the time, would recognize her, realize she wasn’t there for the reason she said she was, and potentially get her in trouble and fired before she could finish snooping, or even in trouble with the police. It may seem like a leap from her to worry he’ll make a connection to her in any of the ongoing investigations (I think this was around the time Spencer was framed for Bethany Young’s murder?) but the Liars haven’t kept a low profile in Rosewood, and Aria wouldn’t be hard to the legal drama going on. There’s definitely a lot that doesn’t make sense in PLL, but I’ve never really understood why this moment is treated with as much suspicion as it is. To each their own, though.
As a trans PLL fan, they absolutely botched the Charlotte storyline. First off, Marlene told us many times she wasn’t going to do a trans storyline, which made it feel like a cheap “gotcha” when they said sike and followed through with that plot anyways. To answer first about this specific question of why the name Charles is being used by Charlotte and why she was wearing a suit, I think it being Noel is actually the best, if not most likely, explanation. Most trans people and especially those who have faced as much trauma as Charlotte would hate reassuming that name. Unfortunately the writers likely were just sloppy and insensitive and knew it was easier to hold the audience in disbelief by making her act this way. This show played into a very tired trope of the villain being secretly trans/queer. You can find it time and time again in media where villians are queercoded or the villian of the week in serialized dramas turn out to be “perverted” aka lgbtq. Add to it the fact that Charlotte was of course played by a cis actress, and was pretty clearly not originally conceived as A means that it just played so in authentically. How could her actress really portray the role in the first couple seasons when she herself not only didn’t have the experience of a trans person, but didn’t even know her character was trans until likely very late. By making the big bad at the time a trans woman it really made me sick. They tried to humanize her by making us sympathize, and that couldddd have worked if in hindsite her actions were forgivable or harmless, but she put people in serious danger and caused deep psychological trauma to others making it very hard to make us care about the pain she went through. And what really put the nail in the coffin for me was what could have been. Seeing an episode of Allison protecting Charlotte and trying to see her redeem herself, I was actually slightly hopeful the show could atone for their sins, by letting her actress play a trans character when both her and the audience knew, allowing a more fleshed out characterization. Also by having an out trans character on the show it allowed them to tell deeper stories related to that and write from her perspective. It also could have been great to see her get redemption, at least a small amount. So I’ll tell you, seeing that potential to see Charlotte as an out trans woman with the chance to fix her storyline, and watching her die immediately, it was unbelievable. Not only did they mess up her character in so many ways, they kill her off instead of trying to write a decent enough story to make up for the past ickiness. They made the villain trans and before we had a chance to care about her they kill her.
i stopped watching the show after the episode that was revealed because it made me so mad, only finished the series recently despite watching it in real time until then 🥴
12:21 I’m pretty sure the bracelet was given to CeCe by Alison when they were visiting? Or it was shown that Cece noticed it when Alison visited her…At a certain point, CeCe/Charles became OBSESSED with being Alison so it’s very likely that CeCe saw it and made a duplicate or Alison made one for CeCe secretly. Then, the night of Ali/Bethany’s murder, CeCe gave Bethany those clothes and the bracelet to remove any attention from herself (and it worked cuz CeCe was killed lol)
60 plot holes is truly insanity it’s crazy that we love it as much as we do. Any other show with 60+ plot holes I would never watch again yet I watch pll religiously
Yes too many plot holes
It’s a product of its time💀
tbf a lot of these are just badly explained stuff/stuff ppl forgot rather than complete plot holes
I’m to the point where I would rather watch these kinds of UA-cam videos than rewatch the show 😂 once I get to mid season 5 I’m like PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY
@@shelbymiller893 literally the amount of times I’ve watched these types of deep dives of literally all the big 2000-2010 shows… My screen time for youtube is unseemly
YES, no matter how much I like Original Sin, what I've always really wanted was a spinoff of what Allison was doing those two years she's unaccounted for. It would've filled so many Ali related plot holes
There was the perfectionists
@@MissmagazineburaThats after the pll timeline, i think the commenter means the two years she was missing in the shows timeline
@@Missmagazineburathat was after
@@Missmagazinebura the perfectionist books were so unique, I wish they kept the story the same.
Imagine being a young adult, maybe 19 or 20 and finding out your boyfriend is sleeping with your 14 year old neighbor… and then giving the child a bloody lip 🙃 then blaming your sister years later when that same man abuses her. WHEWWW. Melissa Hastings was something else 😅
I know!! I have a similar age gap with my sister to Melissa & Spencer and I cannot even fathom reacting like that.
Ian and Alison never slept together. That was confirmed
Regardless of if they slept together yet or not, Ian didn't have that video camera facing the bed to film them sleep. & you completely missed my point either way.
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@@NightRises234 True. But he was grooming her & Spencer. He had every intention of sleeping with Ali. You don't take a girl to a hotel bedroom with a camera set up to not sleep with her. The only reason he didn't is because Melissa showed up. The showrunners really had a problem with letting predators get away with their crimes.
@@DC-di1fs yes that is true
The sad thing Darren wilden is not even the only predator police officer in that town and show 😭🤡
The girls can’t catch a break, either it’s their teacher or it’s one of the police officers 🤦🏽♀️ oh and let’s not forget Melissa’s boyfriends 😅
the predator rate in pll is actually insane
I never even questioned how Jenna got a gun 😅 I just sort of wasn’t surprised, it’s America.
Yeah or like anyone could have given her it. I feel like it’s common sense
Who ended up with the Hasting’s gun that was stolen? From the dads desk
a plot hole that just don’t make sense to me is the fact that cece and bethany as kids kills marion and in a flashback toby and alison as teenagers interact with live marion. like??? toby and alison are younger than cece, how marion dies when toby is a teenager if Cece was still a child???
that was just the writers messing up. Chronologically that is impossible, considering they pay Wilden off to rule it a suicide and Wilden/Cece are almost the same age 🤣
considering how many twins are in this series, lets just pretend marion had a sister also called marion
What Marlene said was that flashbacks are to be interpreted by the eyes of who remembers it. So whoever remembered that time between Alison and Toby, that's how they looked at themselves at that age, even if they were like 12 or 13 and looked way older, it was correct.
Omg I mention this alllllllll the time there’s no wayyyyyy they messed up THAT bad
yeah and i’m the first halloween episode, when jenna moves in with toby, he says his mum died a year ago that day which means she could’ve been 14 and cece would’ve been like 16-18ish so the writers def butchered it
honestly its so sloppy to have most of the questions answered via Marlene completely off the show. It shows that they didn't actually plan anything lol.
Or it shows they planned it that way so every week, millions of teenage girls had to log in to twitter to watch and follow along while tweeting Marlene. Looking back at how she strung us along and made it so you only knew everything IF you followed her and saw all her tweets and watched all her interviews…it’s weird.
Honestly though and it’s clear that they probably wanted someone else for A than Cece. Maybe Ezra or Aria. But bc they successfully groomed the audience into thinking they are cute, the ship couldn’t be destroyed anymore xD I mean why else would you take Ezra who was quickly arrested in the books and make him that. But then again they did the same with Toby and Jenna (switched their roles in that sibling thing😨, so that Toby can become a LI)
This show could've been superb with just 4 seasons consisting of 12 episodes each. The mystery premise of the show is too damn good.
fr 20 episodes(i think) for most seasons is just too many, there won’t even be an A message or act until the last minutes of the show or not be there whatever
12 ep hell no I’ll say 17/15
yes but i’d say 22 episodes
Probably, but you have to remember when this was being aired MOST TV shows were running about 22ish episodes a season sometimes even more. ABC family was pumping that shit out !
@@TheUnclekracker Tbh I miss when shows were that long, shows nowadays are just short and rushed, it doesn't feel the same
one plot hole i never got was that mona got into so many ivy league universities BUT Spencer couldn't get into any and it was blamed on Radley BUT Mona was in there twice and for so much longer than Spencer was but it had no impact on her???
My headcannon is that Alex was sabotaging her applications because she didn't want her getting her future alex felt Spencer didn't deserve. 😅
I always thought Wilden was trying hard to pin Ali’s murder on the girls so nobody would ever find out it was a cover up. He would have been over if anyone found out he did so.
I thought that too
That and maybe he was worried people would find out he SA'd Ali who was a minor at the time just before she disappeared.
It’s so wild how Aria was groomed by her teacher who KNEW her real age before they even met. Kinda disturbing
Yeah everything about that relationship is disturbing
ELECTRIC CHAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The writers need to be jailed. Immediately. How'd they get away with this 😭
Because they’re pretty little liars😢
1:27:15 it was actually mary drake dressed up as jessica because she wanted to see spencer, they explained it in season 7
In the US you can legally buy a gun even if ur legally blind, plus there’s tons of ways to get a gun under the table, so it’s totally plausible that Jenna could buy a gun as a blind teenage
... Seriously?! Like can you also buy a drivers licence whwn bkind since thwy clearly do not care foe anyones safety ever
One of the things that bugged me was how did Cece have a great sisterly relationship with Alex but hated Spencer? And also why did Alex hate Spencer and wanted to be her when she hadn't even met her and surely Cece didn't talk wonders about Spencer and the girls, she hated them? The entire idea or Spencer's twin made no sense to me.
she explains to alison she hates the girls because of how they acted when she had “died” but she never really hated them she just liked toying with them it was fun for her. with alex i mean it makes sense her twin got everything she never got and she felt like spencer was ungrateful and that actually she deserved it. spencer grew up in a wealthy family and alex was working in a bar at 18
The problem with the shows writing was the writers were more concerned about stumping the fans who guessed correctly what was gonna happen, they had all these balls in the air and ended up dropping them all instead of just catching them!
Anyone who has been in an anatomy class or a lab which handles cadavers would still have a million questions after you answered the first plot hole. A cadaver is veryyy different from a freshly deceased person’s body. And if law enforcement can’t differentiate between these two then idk what to tell you except that 50% of the plot holes can be written off to incompetent police. 😂
and since we all know the rosewood police department is full of flops, this checks out
toby went thru academy in 2 business days i swear ☠️
Respect to you for actually doing this, pll barely made sense in the last few seasons and I can already understand how much time it took to gather everything to make this vid
I feel like a lot of us figured out the endings and they changed it to keep us guessing. They ended up messing it up😔 us figuring it out doesn’t mean it was bad..
Plothole I need explained: The email in Aria's inbox about fence installation
Maya Knew and Leslie's fake glasses always stuck out to me
Honestly! They just seem like things that the writers either had plans for or just threw in for the “drama” but it’s just weird. Maya knew in particular like….
Literally! Even solving her murder told us nothing 😭😭 like I think they should have just said that Maya knew who A was and they killed her. That would have been such a simple explanation
And the glasses I just have no idea
@@pearlescentelixir2428Yes!! And as an “Aria should’ve been A” fan myself, that would’ve been perfect
I guess it’s sayin something that a show with this many plot holes still has me wanting to go back for more
As a trans person, I think that Cece was just using her previous identity to lengthen the game, if she had set them up to find her direct identity it would’ve ended the game sooner and she was obviously obsessed with the game, finding out who Charles “really was” was just another step for her to add to mess with the liars (also I’m pretty sure the writers weren’t really consulting actual trans people while making this storyline they just made Cece trans as a like “ooh wouldn’t this be a cool twist”)
It felt so weird to me, like no one I know would want to go by their deadname.... It would have made so much sense to me if she teased being a sibling, but well a sister and them trying to investigate only find charles and are confused cause that does not match
isn't this plot twist (?) the one that happened because the actual ending of that season got leaked/people figured it out too easily so showrunner rushed to change it to literally anything else? 0 consulting in sight, they did it for shock value and iirc no one was impressed or happy w it
Answer every gossip girl plot hole especially Dan being gossip girl
except for the plot holes where Dan was gg but read blasts by himself and was shocked by them. I know the role of gg was spread around but I'm talking season 1 💀
I just got spoiled...
Its been years, spoilers kinda go out the window when it's like 10 years old
@@TaurusWitch29 how about Serena going to boarding school timeline ?
@@TaurusWitch29 some of us are young and obvi couldn't watch it 10 years ago 😭
I think in terms of Cece using the name Charles in the doll house, I think it was either the writers didn't know who A was going to be yet so they ke[t it general because even when A was Mona, it never looked like a "girl" when the liars caught a glimpse of A(Mona). Cece could have also done this so they wouldn't suspect her bc as soon as it was presumed to be male they only suspected males even thought before the dollhouse they had their suspensions of her.
yeah cece worked hard to try and pin it on andrew
I'm like 88% sure that Andrew was going to be A. The guy who played him was caught with drugs or something. You fan tell because the last episode he's in his voice sounds a lot deeper that normal
The fact its only 1H 46Mins is crazy to me I fr thought it’d be like 5 hours💀
A few years back I made my own list of PLL plotholes and I got 83 items 😂😂😂😂
Wait I so want to read this list
Wasn't it confirmed that it was Mary in Spencer's room? Like we get a flashback later of Peter catching her.
yeah it was confirmed
I was just about to comment this Mary told Spencer she came to visit
i still think about the scene where aria gives meredith back the earring and she says it is not her earring
for réal, i always thought it meant that Alison pretended that it was meredith but it was hers, makes no sense tho cause i can’t find a reason for her to do that
I think it was implied that alison hid the earring in the couch to push aria over the edge and then destroying her dads study because she just loved chaos and drama 🤷♀️
A relatively simple way to explain many plot holes and plot motives of numerous characters is to realize that many of the characters are out of their minds and completely crazy: Melissa, Shana, Jenna, Noel Kahn, Sara Harvey, Jessica, Wren...I mean the list is endless. The actions of all these characters can't be explained with logical common sense😂 they just don’t act like normal people.
with as many plotholes as it had it’s kind of impressive that they even circled back to the noel thing after 7 seasons 😂
I think you should do a video explaining every A end screen at the end of every episode!
So many of these are just never addressed, that’s torture lol
@@chelsie2767The one that drives me nuts is when “A” goes to tour Emily’s house and uses that opportunity to delete files from the laptop. It doesn’t make sense why Mona would want to buy a house
I’m currently watching the show all over again. I love it and always find something I have never seen before.
the way that this show started in like 2010 and is still so relevant to us is WILD but I neeeeed it
please do a pll deep dive into each season and episodes. it would be sooo interesting to watch
I’d love to see Lauren’s take on it too but in the mean time, go check out mikes mic’s unhinged pll recap
@@jaybehkay2438jenna and the fluet had me on the floor truly legendary
I love how exasperated you are after each time you mention a new plot hole😅 like oh god here we go again, another failure the writers left up to us to make it make sense lol
You have been providing for us this Christmas season😭😭 I’m loving all of it
Shana was the one who locked the girls AND set the fire, Marlene confirmed that in an interview.
22:28 as someone who was in a mental hospital, it was probably a visitors pass to see Mona specifically, because she wasn’t allowed to go outside and was only allowed in her room, so Cece would probably need a visitors pass if she’s visiting Mona specifically
1:15:27 on how Cece and Sarah met, I have a theory: I think Cece did kidnap Sarah, almost like a “practice run” before she kidnapped the girls. I think they mention it at some point, like a police theory, and it kind of makes sense - it would explain the Stockholm syndrome (that we never find out if she was faking it or not, but it had justification enough that actual doctors and therapist testified to it), and treated her like her doll, maybe not always in the dollhouse, but always like that “precious little Ali-like” thing she had, and as Sarah was never really *wanted*or *cared for*, any resemblance of that made her do whatever Cece asked of her, from being the black widow up to actually living in that dollhouse
Bless your heart for trying to make sense of this show 😅
at which point of the pll timeline Cece knew that Jessica wasn't her biological mother?
at some point when cece was in radley because she found mary’s file
It was confirmed it was Mary Drake creeping in Spencer's room, not Jessica. Mary knew she was her daughter and snuck in to see her.
I believe this was the same night Mary killed Jessica and she figured she'd stop by while she was already next door 😂
I also believe Ren was supposed to be Uber A. I remember these tweets went viral from a supposed 'disgruntled ex employee' who was mad they got fired and blabbed about A being Ren and the back story as to why. Marlene did damage control and tweeted it wasn't true. But then when the show ended and Ren was still involved, I thought it probably was true and they made up the character of Alex Drake last minute to cover for the ending being spoiled. And Ren as Uber A would of been a better ending then what we got and made more sense anyway
Before I watch the video, I must say that a lot of things people refer to as "plot holes" I don't get. Maybe it's just because seasons 4 and 5 are the seasons I rewatch the most, but I feel like I've found an answer to almost everything people say.
EDIT: 1:51 I never questioned where A got a cadaver because I also wouldn't question where A got a cow tongue. But I guess since cows are anonymous, and humans are... not, people would wonder if A actually killed someone just for this. But I never thought that.
5:00 There _is_ an answer given for this, but the _way_ it's answered is really weird. Hanna's nightmare makes it seems like her imagination is going out of control, but then the Liars talk about it as if they already knew. But why would Hanna dream about Ali telling them something she must have already told? idk dream logic. In S1, it's left ambiguous whether Ali or Ian pushed the girl, and S4 acts like everyone thinks it was Ali, but since it was never "confirmed", I guess it left room to put Noel in.
6:20 There's an ongoing motif throughout the series with Jenna and guns, starting in S2 where Spencer says Jenna will be able to aim a gun if she can see again. S7 is the big payoff to that.
7:05 It is Wilden, but it's again confirmed in a non-conventional way. By the time Aria finds out that Ezra is Board Shorts, it's still assumed that Beach Hottie and Board Shorts are the same person. But since we find out that Ezra and Ali never had sex (thankfully), we're supposed to go "Oh, so Wilden was Beach Hottie after all".
7:33 It's Cece, and I thought it was pretty straightforward. When Spencer asks "Ali" (or rather, her vision of Ali) if it was Toby, "Ali" says "Girls fight dirtier than boys." Immediately after this, Spencer finds Cece's fake visitor's pass, and Wren tells her "Alison pulled some stunt in a frat party they got CeCe kicked out of University." For the next 13 episodes, the Liars (correctly) think that Cece is A/Red Coat. They only get misdirected when they find her name on Ezra's payroll.
12:20 Wait, when was it said that Bethany or Cece had a duplicate Ali bracelet? I don't think that Jessica giving Cece the same clothes as Ali included that.
14:37 To repost what I commented on the Ravenswood video: I love this idea, and what's great is that both Troian and Marlene have expressed interest in the same thing -- Troian when she guested on the Bros Watch PLL podcast (the first time, right before S6 started airing), and Marlene in a Reddit AMA the night S5 started airing.
19:15 You're right, but I think it's funny how Cece lied to her roommate by saying she was going to LA after "dropping out", when she was actually going back to Radley. And she lied that she was still paying rent lol
21:48 Cece said (in her "reveal" episode) that Mona helped her get discharged from Radley. Makes sense to me.
27:30 I mean, if we're not gonna question how Ian, Garret, and Jason snuck the NAT club in, I wouldn't question this... except I never went to prom, so I don't know how it works. Do the Prom king and queen _have_ to be a couple? If Jason took Cece and was voted king, does Cece become queen by default?
28:31 Well, if they grew up apart so much, it would be hard for Cece to view him as her sibling. At least she had the sense to resist any sex.
30:46 You're right, he didn't know, but I think Wilden considered it. In S1, he thinks the Liars "know" who killed Ali. Meaning if it wasn't any of them, they probably know it's Cece given they were nearby. In S5, it's revealed that Jessica gave a statement to Wilden that she saw Spencer with a blond girl, but A (Cece) payed him to bury the statement and keep Jessica quiet using her affair with Bethany's father as blackmail. There's also the fact that Wilden also needed to hide his own involvement in that night.
32:11 You provide good explanations, but I genuinely think the only reason why this is asked so much is that people were/are hung up on the idea that Aria is/was supposed to be A. Maybe I don't get it bc I only watched the show last year, I wasn't along for the ride.
34:29 In the third episode, Hanna says that Wilden was in the class of 96, meaning he's 32 when the Liars start their junior year in S1. In S4, in what I'm guessing was a misguided shoutout to the books, they say Melissa and Wilden went to high school together, and then the writers belatedly remember that they made Wilden older.
37:37 Wait, I thought A (Mona) made the fake bracelet in the woods and gave the real one to the police? Also, I rewatched the scene where Jason gives it to them, and they don't say Bethany was wearing it. J: "Alison was wearing it." H: "Wait, you mean when they found her?" and then Jason dodges the question.
38:16 What Jason saw was Melissa burying Bethany. He hallucinated that as Melissa talking to Cece, thinking that must mean Cece was wearing the same clothes as Ali.
47:56 Wasn't there a map?
53:41 Because Ali and Jason somehow never learned their mom's maiden name lol
55:09 Shana set the fire, not Wilden, ruining Cece's plan. Wilden was killed around the same time, so the Liars didn't have an alibi, since they couldn't reveal they were at the lodge. The only thing I'm confused about is why Spencer lured Jenna there. I think there was going to be more with Jenna knowing Ali's alive and manipulating Nigel, but her actress was pregnant during filming of S4.
57:14 Well, we know A likes hurting the Liars' partners and framing whoever they're suspecting at any given time. But the self-defense link is actually really clever on your part.
58:48 Because she lied. She straight-up gave him this whole tale of seeing Ali and Spencer fight and Jessica paying her to keep quiet. And yeah, Ali lied about being Cece's roommate.
1:06:08 Well, it's worth pointing out exactly what was said "I get a phone call this afternoon, 'We have your daughter here,' they tell me, 'We think she might be a danger to herself, she wants to stay here.'" Notice specifically "your daughter".
1:07:44 Cece can do whatever she wants, but what I'd like know is why did the Liars assume A put the blocks like that? Wouldn't it make more sense to assume it was Mona? Does that mean A really did put the anagrams in Mona's mirror? If it was A, well, Cece was obsessed with nostalgia, so she probably put the blocks like that to resemble her old room.
1:14:42 I wonder less HOW they met and more WHEN they met. Must have been on one of Cece's "sneaking out of Radley" trips
1:15:55 The Carissimi Group?
1:23:12 I'm more confused why he disappeared when he said he'd meet Ezra
1:24:59 The shovel was A (Mona), Garret just let Jenna believe it was him
1:27:10 The flashback to this in S7 expands on this scene and confirms it was Mary
1:29:40 Melissa told Spencer she was trying to protect her and sent Jenna and Shana to find out who the Liars were meeting
1:31:31 I don't know why they changed this at the last second. 2x13, 4x1, and 4x16 all imply/state it was in 2007. My best guess is that they wanted to incorporate it smoothly as a part of Cece's backstory rather than just have Cece tell it as a random aside... and the best way to do that is to retcon it to be way further back than established? idk. If I'm right, then it probably would've been revealed another way if S6 was the last season and it ended with the Cece reveal.
1:35:54 EVERYONE thought Garrett killed Maya, even Mona (Miss Aria You're A Killer Not Ezra's Wife). Everyone in Rosewood agreed that Maya must have found something that connected Alison to Garrett, and that Garrett killed her because she was on her way to give it to Emily. Nobody except Jenna (who witnessed it and pretended her surgery didn't work to protect herself) and CeCe (who ig was on one of her regular "sneaking out of Radley" trips that night) knew that Lyndon was Maya's real killer.
1:39:01 Ali blackmailing Cyrus makes sense, and I guess A (Cece) just stole Spencer's recording for the lulz, but I'm still confused what Melissa had to do with that
1:41:24 If the entire rest of the series didn't make it clear that police are useless, Holbrook claiming he was "up to his holster" in "all things Cece Drake" and not actually finding anything about her definitely should
I'm not sure if this was ever mentioned in the video, but I'm certain Jessica purposely identified Bethany's body as Ali. It's confirmed in S7 that she knew Ali was alive, and in S5, Veronica tells Spencer that about a week after Ali's disappearance, Jessica stormed up to them and accused Spencer of having something to do with it.
“um actually 🤓👆” ahh comment
11:19 I’m still confused bc there was that scene where Jason was high/drunk messing with the water hose when he noticed Ali talking to someone by a tree. When he called out her name, he then saw that it was actually Cece in the yellow top talking to Melissa
Jason seeing CeCe in the yellow top the night Alison disappeared is explained later in the video. here 38:16
But some confronted Cece and she said Melissa was begging her to talk to Alison for her, so is Charlotte lying to us or is the writers lying to us?
Rosewood is in Pennsylvania. So Cece's apartment was in Pennsylvania, just not next to UPenn.
you are heaven sent for making this nearly 2 hour long video on PLL plot holes
Maybe I didn't hear you right, but the person Aria stabbed on the train was later shown to have been Jason. And it was Mary Drake in Spencer's room, there's a whole flashback about that in season 7. Overall, I didn't appreciate half of these being explained as "open to public's interpretation" or literal tweets or interviews explaining what happened, like why not answer that on the actual show??? Amazing job, Lauren, really in depth and everything.
Can you make a video explaining every person who has been on the A team?? And like the reasons they did it ♥️♥️
The episode where Ali says that Noel pushed the girl, that was in Hanna's dream. That whole part was a dream of Hanna's. But then later in the episode Hanna says we know Noel pushed that girl. But do we know that? Because Hanna dreamt it.
They shouldve actually gave us bethany on screen instead of shower harvey 😒 and the real SH shouldve been the one in the grave
The timeline is the most messed up plot hole in the show imo. It frustrates me every time i rewatch it. The fact that they are seniors from the beginning of season 3 and only graduate mid season 6 is INSANE. They go through at least two years of events during those 6 months or so and i can never not think about that.
Omg don’t get me started on that. The fact that the events of seasons three to like five happen in less than two months is insane
I've been rewatching this week, and I honestly don't understand how this show was so "addictive " & "captivating" ... it's just messy and chaotic, and definitely not as clever as it's making out. Not when I have way more questions than answers after each episode. Plus this show was to dated to be so out of date, like wasn't EVERY single think A sent via electronic communication or written, which can both be tracked. Plus they never use their phones to do anything when it comes to backing their stories/experiences for evidence. Just why😂
I thought the puzzle on the board game was a map? I remember them putting it together and realizing that it was a map and it lead them to where Alex Drake had re-buried Archer Dunhill.
I used to be so obsessed when PLL first debuted. Then I eventually just got tired & it felt dragged out.
A lot can happen in 2 years in PLL time haha! Considering season 3 through half of season 5 was done in the matter a few months. So the 2 years Ali was gone would have been cool to see.
Plotholes like these make me believe that the writers did not know/care about the plot and just threw red herrings simply for the hell of it..also lol at writers messing up cece bethany mary Kavanaugh and toby ali mary scene with the ages
I watched this only having seen the first season and this was a JOURNEY
Oh nooo…. The show truly is a JOURNEY. Like it’s wild…
Me never having watched a single second of this show: 2hr video explaining answers I never had questions for * click *
as someone who had very little exposure to pretty little liars as it was airing, i have no idea what’s going on but i trust you completely!
Absolutely perfect just finished watching the show in my God it didn’t create me of how many potholes and let me tell you the series finale didn’t even feel like a series finale . like what the hell was that about Jenna on a horse and the tap dancing and I ate it was just bizarre
I feel like quite a few of these were answered in the show you just had to put the pieces together (who is Bethany, who is beach hottie etc)
Thank you for making this video I wish you would make a whole video about how terrible the AD reveal is i love you Lauren daisy
I always thought Cece talking about having a roommate etc. was just her trying to make sounding like going to UPenn seem like a normal experience and not that she was in Radley
There is one plot hole I never see anyone talk about.. if cece was A then who called the police on her?! It shows right before the girls meet up with Ali for the first time in New York at the end of the scene someone in a black hoodie and black gloves looking at a hotel sign in book and seeing CeCe Drake and then calling the rosewood police?! But if CeCe was A why would she call the police on herself for the murder of Wilden??!
wasn’t it implied to be mona?
I always thought that was Shana.
12:33 jessica once said that alison and cece used to trade clothes, accessories and personalities so probably they had the same bracelet to make more serious
The intro mixed with GG is soooo good love it
I'm doing a re-watch with my best friend at the moment and purposely skipping the filler episodes and just answering questions she may have due to the wide list of plot holes
In my high school, there was an entire class for yearbook (where you learned about photography, layout design, photoshop etc) and the students put the contents of the yearbook together. It isn't far-fetched that they could have added CeCe in, but prom usually takes place later in the year than when the yearbook goes to print, so the erroneous mention of CeCe being prom queen wouldn't have contradicted any photos in the actual book. But its about as weird as the yearbook listing N.A.T Club when that club didn't actually exist, so maybe they wrote whatever was self-reported by the students?
The justification through twitter about cece being angry because of which she pushed jason down the elevator despite loving her brother made me LOL
trans viewer here, chiming in to say that, yeah, this was a wildly mishandled story. it doesnt make any sense, and very few trans people would be willing to use their deadname and former/never-actually-real identity to trick someone. that exact concept is a transphobic trope.
it wouldve had to be noel in the suit, bc we can see thats clearly not what cece's frame looks like. she transitioned young, her petite frame makes perfect sense. the only explanation was that she was using noel to pretend to be a grown male self that never existed (outside of her fathers ideal, i suppose)
but that is a deeply transphobic trope, particularly with a one dimensional villain. the whole plotline was a huge miss
They did reveal why Mrs. D was in Spencer's room. It wasnt Mrs. D, it was Mary Drake. There was a whole scene about it. Peter catches her leaving the house, he thinks it's Jessica but it was Mary wanting to see Spencer.
What if Sara was in Radley too and her parents just said she ran away to cover it up because that town is similar to Rosewood when it comes to reputation
1:09:30 as a trans individual who’s introduction with the idea of being transgender was via Cece on PLL, I definitely have conflicting opinions. Obviously I look at the show through rose colored glasses because I hold it so dearly.
However, I definitely think using the name Charles was the writers trying to throw off the viewers.
But I can also see it from the mindset of maybe cece wanting them to think they know who A is and kind of weaponizing the fact she is trans to play with their minds more.
I still think there could potentially be a lot of discomfort from being addressed by one’s deadname but maybe she saw it as worth it to play the game…
Idk that’s just my take!
Yes, it was in fact Mary Drake that was in Spencer's room! They revealed it somewhere in the final episodes of season 7 I think.
You should do a plot holes video for gossip girl too!
The Cecelia drake in clubs in the yearbook reminds me of cookie and Ned, from Ned's declassified school survival guide, sneaking in club photos during picture day.
I also snuck in a club photo in high school. They just give a paper and pass it in order of the people sitting.
Line 1 was front, line 2 second row - left to right
48:07, The puzzle pieces were revealed to have been some sort of drawing and were scanned so that the liars knew where to find Archer's body. From the PLL wiki
I always just assumed the bloody lip Alison had when she ran into Veronica was given to her by Jessica. We know they didn't have a good relationship, and she had just come from her house. I figured her change of expression was knowing that by her saying that telling her parents would make it worse, she was telling Veronica without telling her, and that Veronica would read more into it than what had actually happened and assume it was a regular thing when it was probably the first occasion Jessica went too far. The smug satisfaction in her expression told me she had goaded whoever gave her the bloody lip into doing it, and LOVED that she was now being seen as the victim instead of a participant.
Im starting now .. certainly you couldn’t have hit EVERY plot hole
The one about Jessica being in spencers room re watch it and then rewatch where spencers dad tells spencer about Mary coming to see her its the same scene so it wasn't Jessica it was in fact Mary 😊
For Jessica being in Spencer’s room, it was revealed in Season 7 that it was actually Mary trying to get a glimpse of Spencer. It wasn’t Jessica.
You are one of the best out there for real ❤❤❤
lucas visits mona in radley, when caleb finds hannah leaving after she said she was gonna do something else, they see lucas leave when they are fighting. i think thats when mona was blackmailing him to be on the a team
The Eddie Lamb thing seems really simple to me. Aria was volunteering under false pretenses so that she could snoop around Radley and gain information. Even if it wasn’t illegal (which I’m pretty sure it was), it’s certainly against the volunteer rules and would make her look extremely suspicious if found out. Aria has been to Radley before-visiting Spencer. She was probably afraid he, as a staff member who was taking care of Spencer at the time, would recognize her, realize she wasn’t there for the reason she said she was, and potentially get her in trouble and fired before she could finish snooping, or even in trouble with the police. It may seem like a leap from her to worry he’ll make a connection to her in any of the ongoing investigations (I think this was around the time Spencer was framed for Bethany Young’s murder?) but the Liars haven’t kept a low profile in Rosewood, and Aria wouldn’t be hard to the legal drama going on. There’s definitely a lot that doesn’t make sense in PLL, but I’ve never really understood why this moment is treated with as much suspicion as it is. To each their own, though.
yearbooks are made by the students so it makes even less sense for cece to be in it lmao also PROM QUEEN??
Melissa was involved in the Lodge because she thought the girls were meeting Alison. She says it in season 4.
Lucas visited Mona in Radley. That's the only time he was in Radley.
This is everything we needed PLUS MORE!!
pll is so bad and it’s one of my favorite shows of all time. truly a miraculous feat
thank you so much for doing this! out of curiosity how many times have you watched the show to know it this well?
So interesting. But why doesnt she mention the plot holes in order😭 this is so confusing
As a trans PLL fan, they absolutely botched the Charlotte storyline. First off, Marlene told us many times she wasn’t going to do a trans storyline, which made it feel like a cheap “gotcha” when they said sike and followed through with that plot anyways. To answer first about this specific question of why the name Charles is being used by Charlotte and why she was wearing a suit, I think it being Noel is actually the best, if not most likely, explanation. Most trans people and especially those who have faced as much trauma as Charlotte would hate reassuming that name. Unfortunately the writers likely were just sloppy and insensitive and knew it was easier to hold the audience in disbelief by making her act this way.
This show played into a very tired trope of the villain being secretly trans/queer. You can find it time and time again in media where villians are queercoded or the villian of the week in serialized dramas turn out to be “perverted” aka lgbtq. Add to it the fact that Charlotte was of course played by a cis actress, and was pretty clearly not originally conceived as A means that it just played so in authentically. How could her actress really portray the role in the first couple seasons when she herself not only didn’t have the experience of a trans person, but didn’t even know her character was trans until likely very late.
By making the big bad at the time a trans woman it really made me sick. They tried to humanize her by making us sympathize, and that couldddd have worked if in hindsite her actions were forgivable or harmless, but she put people in serious danger and caused deep psychological trauma to others making it very hard to make us care about the pain she went through.
And what really put the nail in the coffin for me was what could have been. Seeing an episode of Allison protecting Charlotte and trying to see her redeem herself, I was actually slightly hopeful the show could atone for their sins, by letting her actress play a trans character when both her and the audience knew, allowing a more fleshed out characterization. Also by having an out trans character on the show it allowed them to tell deeper stories related to that and write from her perspective. It also could have been great to see her get redemption, at least a small amount.
So I’ll tell you, seeing that potential to see Charlotte as an out trans woman with the chance to fix her storyline, and watching her die immediately, it was unbelievable. Not only did they mess up her character in so many ways, they kill her off instead of trying to write a decent enough story to make up for the past ickiness. They made the villain trans and before we had a chance to care about her they kill her.
i stopped watching the show after the episode that was revealed because it made me so mad, only finished the series recently despite watching it in real time until then 🥴
YESSSS i've been waiting for thisss
12:21 I’m pretty sure the bracelet was given to CeCe by Alison when they were visiting? Or it was shown that Cece noticed it when Alison visited her…At a certain point, CeCe/Charles became OBSESSED with being Alison so it’s very likely that CeCe saw it and made a duplicate or Alison made one for CeCe secretly. Then, the night of Ali/Bethany’s murder, CeCe gave Bethany those clothes and the bracelet to remove any attention from herself (and it worked cuz CeCe was killed lol)
1:27:15 it was mary drake, not jessica. mary drake wanted to see her and they explained this in season 7
56:15 "...while Jenna wasn't looking..." I SEE whar you did there.
I have never seen PLL but this was really interesting
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Babes rosewood is in Pennsylvania 😭 so her apartment being there makes sense