@@mfulan7548 www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2018/11/aa34004-18.pdf sorry missed this comment, I dont check my replies very often I usually just look for new comments
@@bguen1234However, anything can happen in space, so most rare things like supernovas, in the undiscovered areas, happen often. Since the Universe is so big.
@@trolling7681 i agree that the universe is really massive and therefore theres a whole bunch of things that just statistically have to exist somewhere. However, the math for a planet like J1047-B doesn't add up as much as we want to. I do agree, though, im sure something like it exists somewhere out there.
but assuming we don’t go extinct and continue advancing for millions of years, it is very weird that it happened right in the beginning ~200 years instead of the millions we have ahead
@@Kyplanet893 Even if we do go extinct in the next millennium it’d still be extremely odd to have seen a once in a million year event in like 200 years of looking.
It reminds me a bit of the stories of archaeologists finding mammoth skulls and assuming that the huge nasal cavity was the eye socket of a cyclops. Sometimes, overactive imaginations seep into gaps in the data.
Science is about admitting what we don’t know. Just because something doesn’t make sense to us doesn’t mean it’s impossible. For example, TOI 5205b is a gas giant that orbits a red dwarf, which should be impossible yet it happened anyways
It didn't look ridiculous to me. On the other hand, it was very ominous, but I can't understand why. It feels... wrong? Like it's not supposed to exist or happen? Tbh that doesn't even make sense since I'm not an astronomer to be knowing what is supposed to be real or not in space. But oh well that's what I felt. This new theory feels more like it.
For everyone saying "your doubts weren't very scientific", there's no way a ring system this large would fit inside a solar system and not shred itself apart from the gravity wells of the star and neighboring planets. This is why it *now works* as a separate system of its own, because there ARE no "neighboring planets" and no star it's orbiting.
If you are editing in premiere, you can simply get rid of the audio pop at editing points by clicking on the meeting point of two pieces of audio and pressing ctrl+d. This will apply an audio transition. Make it only 1 frame long, and voila, audio doesn’t pop anymore
Knowing J1407b, my favourite planet, does not exist is 100x more heartbreaking than knowing Santa doesn't exist, thanks for the info, it was a harsh dose of reality for me, but a necessary truth that I had to find out eventually, I'll spend the night drowning out my sorrows in orange juice 😞😞😞
Um Santa exists. I'm 18 and I believe santa exists. I just don't believe that he was able to deliver to me this year cuz my parents got me stuff instead. Santa did get me G1 Astrotrain which is hard to get. No way my parents got me that. Also he got me a lefty electric guitar. My parents wouldn't get me a left handed guitar. Aldo I am very willing to belive that there is a man who can slow time and has very advanced technology who delivers presents on Christmas eve. Keep your hopes up my guy! But a planet with obese rings like that? Idk. That better be a REALLY dense planet cuz gravity is a bitch
@@JosephHalleAnimationsandMusic Sorry lad, but it wasn't Santa, it was me mate, I gave you those because you were being a very good lad every year, never been on the naughty list at all, I'm sorry you had to find out this way😞😞😞😞😞
Good on you for not using AI writing and narration, or if you did, at least editing it well. More than most "science" channels do today. Earned you a sub
Lots of misconceptions in the comments, the disk/rings still exists, the only difference is that it probably doesn't orbit the star it transited like we thought it did so it might have to be reclassified as a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk instead. Since it doesn't orbit any stars, instead of the rings degrading they will probably form planets due to gravity.
Well, now it’s been DebOOoOonKEd, so I’d expect it to be removed sometime soon. I like classic sci-fi for the same reason-it was back when science gave us cool shit, instead of taking it away. But at least we can dream, until they explain that away too.
This saddened me at first, but then the thought that it was an entirely different Star system that passed infront of the other Star system just perfectly in view for Earth to see it really excites me! That’s way more interesting than a huge ring planet….. And then it got sad again as it’ll drift the universe in darkness
here’s a Theory If we take the age of V1400 Centauri, It pretty much lines up with the whole circumplanetary disc factor because its only a couple million years old (Younger than Saturn’s rings, which also hasn’t formed a new satellite yet) So J1407b could orbit V1400 Centauri in say an elliptical orbit that just so happened to be at the right speed and distance to think what it’s orbital period is. The rouge brown dwarf theory is most likely though
What if it was in the process of being launched making it a rogue planet? Or some singularity passed by and pulled to launch it? It is extremely hard to detect black holes or super massive rogue gas planets that could cause a huge orbital change
so because we know how long the transit lasted, we can determine how fast it was moving, and as far as i know it wasn’t fast moving fast enough to be on an ejection course and keep in mind that j1407b was anywhere from 13 to just under 80 times the mass of jupiter, meaning to eject it the object that did so would’ve had to be even bigger, and anything above 80 jupiter masses would become a dectectable star
@@Kyplanet893 Could it be a slingshot event from its central star, though? I mean, if the radial velocity of J1407b pointing to its star was high enough, V1400 Centauri is surely big enough to give it a good kick. And I doubt we could measure the radial velocity of the rogue object during a single transit. Even the measured mass of the object is quite uncertain. Young solar systems can be a really chaotic place, and sometimes a relatively small object can disturb the orbit of a large one just enough to become unstable.
Anything involving exoplanets will inevitably become inaccurate rather quickly. Someday people will look back on our ideas about exoplanets in the same way that we view people in the 1800s thinking that the sun was inhabited and that comets were clouds of gravel
It doesn’t have to be THIS planet Specifically. The best part about space sci fi is you can make whatever planet you want, if you want to make a “Super Saturn” go for it! Nothing stops you except yourself.
UA-cam has gotten better with reccomending smaller channels. They finally made a good change. Would you mind if I made a similar video with a similar script on this planet? It is kinda hard to change the script when events are the same but I'll put in my own little theory and change it up and have your link in the pinned comment and top of the description.
very sad to see that my favorite exoplanet might not even exist at all :( Though being open to new research is better than living in denial. Great video and you earned another sub :D
just based on the size of the debris disk alone we know it’s extremely massive, but there is a lot of uncertainty about it because i don’t think we know the transit angle
Those "rings" are actually the protoplanetary disk around J1407b that will eventually form planets around it. Those planets will orbit in darkness, with surface temperatures near absolute zero, or -273.15° C (-459° F) and there will obviously be no atmosphere on these future planets because of the frigid temperature of the former J1407b and all its planet companions
I mean, given the absolutely insane scale of the galaxy there’s still probably a good chance that a planet with a huge ring system still exists somewhere in it, wether we find it or not. But also a planet like that would make for a cool setting in a sci-fi story, so I don’t think people should just forget about the concept entirely. It’s a very cool conceptual planet type
The universe never ceases to surprise me with these kinds of things. Super Saturns, brown dwarfs, planet forming. This is all very interesting to me, theoretical or not.
they wouldn’t be stable for very long the smaller the planet the easier rings like that would destabilize from encounters with other objects a brown dwarf would have them be stable for the longest (a star would hold onto them for longer but we know for a fact that j1407b isn’t a star)
It's not a matter of mass or gravity, it's rings being inherently unstable - they're probably going to slowly coalesce into moons or fall into the planet.
To be fair, the line between super Jupiter with solar system sized rings and "brown dwarf with planetary dust cloud" is a few extra Jupiter masses and the star it's orbiting
I remember watching a video from Anton Petrov. He said it could've been a super puff planet too. Super puffs are extremely sparse planets the size of Jupiter but a bit more massive than Earth.
those two things have nothing in common also, pretty much every single moon has an underground ocean, because the outer solar system is literally made of ice. Earth has a mantle made of liquid lava because it’s made of rock, and inside the planet pressure makes it much hotter, causing the rock to melt. Because the outer moons are made of ice, their mantles are made of liquid water, because pressure makes it much hotter and causes it to melt (as well as tidal forces). There’s nothing special about titan having liquid water, it’s just because of heat and pressure and the fact the outer solar system is cold, and so has a lot of ice j1407b on the other hand has been pretty much proven to not have rings, as I said in this video
to be fair, no star had ever dimmed like that before of the millions we’ve seen, and at this point we’d already discovered hundreds of exoplanets, so knew what their transits looked like
Do you have any papers for the claim that it might be a rogue brown dwarf? I’ve searched for it but found nothing. Research about this system seems to have stopped years ago, excluding those studies that propose alternative orbits right after the expected orbit is found not to match the latest observations.
What would be insanely wild if without knowing it we saw an alien vessel using the transit method of observing. Something yes we wouldn’t know but think of it.
When I first heard of it i was puzzled because the mass estimations, both of the rings estimations or on when they said about it, it was brown dwarf sized. Also for those wondering, the disk is about 0.6 AU. The distance of Venus is from the sun is 0.7.
What if the Super Saturn planet was actually a rogue planet it it just so happened to pass by the star astronomers thought it was orbiting, when it actually just passed by the star and then continued drifting into space?
@@Kyplanet893it's kind of scary to think that there are actually rogue planets and or stars that just float in the cold darkness of space. Literally like "Aight. Imma head out." And just leaves it's home Solar System. Crazy to think something as big as a planet can druft through space like that.
It's funny how much we "know" about space, when it actually we haven't even got a "close up" picture of anything outside of our solar system. Space could be completely different from what we think it is, we just have no real idea other than an educated guess
What if the reason we haven’t seen it yet is because of the time difference? It may take 3-13 years for it to complete its orbit around the star but does that mean it’s the same 3-13 years for us? Sorry if I’m wrong it’s just a theory
yes, it’s the same 3-13 years the orbital period was calculated based on the objects speed. The faster it orbits, the shorter the time it’ll take to go around the star. So based on how long the transit lasted we can know how fast it was moving and how long it’s year should’ve been
@RichardCranium. yes, they would we can see brown dwarfs hundreds of light years away the spitzer space telescope was able to detect Ahra, a sub brown dwarf that’s only 150 degrees fahrenheit, using direct imaging from 64 light years away from it
couldn't it be a rogue gas gaint, either since the start or was kicked out? sure it'll be unlikey for the planet to hold it rings in either event but withthe discover of the perfect ressonece system, it wouldn't be impossable
The perfect resonance system is overhyped and doesn’t have anything to do with j1407b, i don’t see how that would make it possible and the reason it has to be a rogue brown dwarf is because the only objects with enough gravity to hold a protoplanetary disk like that together for long periods of time and not be a star are brown dwarfs
@Kyplanet893 I was comparing the probabilities between the resonance system existing up discovery and j14o7b holding on to its rings while entering and exiting the system. As for the j1407 being a brown dwarf due to it holding the rings for long periods of time. It a bit of an assumption to say that j1407b to have had rings/disk for a geological long time. This point is also weaken by the argument of it being a rough object, that spends most of its time in the void, with very little gravitional interactions with other large mass objects, and would hold on to the rings/disk for a far longer period of time then if it was in a solar system. With the only issues being when they passby/enter a solar system. Though that would effect both a planet and a brown dwarf. We also don't have a full grasp of how the rings looked to tell confidently say what state they where in, with the transient method being rather narrow(?) in its presentation of data, with it only showing the changes across a horizontal axis/pov.
@elysainempire4628 @elysainempire4628 without gravitational disturbances the rings will also slowly form into moons, and seeing as j1407b passed through v1400 centauri’s system like that then other encounters can happen and it’s far more likely that we’re looking at something that has existed for a long time than one that has existed for a short time so it’s a fair assumption to say the rings aren’t extremely new
I hadn't actually heard about this supposed super ringed exoplanet and it's a bummer it isn't real, but the possibility of it being a rouge brown dwarf is even more fascinating. Thanks for the update!
The orbital period for J1407b is estimated to be around a decade (13.8 years) J1407b is a young gas giant of around 13 to 26 times of the mass of Jupiter, its rings are large, yes, but new moons (not planets), are forming within the rings. Its rings are primordial in origin. It could be possible that due to its mass, it either can’t coexist with its parent star and has flung further out, or has fallen closer to it, diminishing its rings and likely the planet itself from being seen. A similar phenomenon happened between Jupiter and the Sun in the early days of the Solar System, but Jupiter was stopped from going closer to the sun by Saturn’s gravity when it formed. But it’s unlikely that a sibling planet for J1407b exists, let alone tug on it. It could still be continuing to orbit the star, but it might have migrated more outwards making it harder to detect.
I’m believe this giant super Saturn is out there I’m glad us humans were able to spot a amazing planet super far away sadly we might not find it again I hope we can actually find it
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Where are the sources for the video?
@@mfulan7548 www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2018/11/aa34004-18.pdf
sorry missed this comment, I dont check my replies very often I usually just look for new comments
Thank god! a non AI space channel that actually uses researched content. Glad to subscribe.
Do you know of any channels that use AI-generated scripts? I'm curious to know
@@Danger015 theres a lot of them
@@Danger015 Kyle Hill has a video on them called "UA-cam's Science Spam Crisis"
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There's bound to be more planets with large rings like this out there somewhere. Hopefully one is discovered in our lifetimes.
@@Minecraft_at_Night Accretion disks, contain gas, however, there is no trace of Gas around J1407.
@@Minecraft_at_NightThat actually sounds way cooler than rings in my opinion
No, there isn’t. Rings that large likely cannot exist.
@@bguen1234However, anything can happen in space, so most rare things like supernovas, in the undiscovered areas, happen often. Since the Universe is so big.
@@trolling7681 i agree that the universe is really massive and therefore theres a whole bunch of things that just statistically have to exist somewhere. However, the math for a planet like J1047-B doesn't add up as much as we want to. I do agree, though, im sure something like it exists somewhere out there.
Wish more people see this video so they can realize what J1407b is
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What is it ?
I'm glad to have learned about J1407B when I was in grade 2 - 3. I was watching so many documentaries back then. Miss those days.
Why can't they just give it a real name? They can't be bothered?
If it’s a once in a million year event, then it seems incredibly weird that we saw it at all
exactly
Nothing weird about it. It was bound to happen, and it just so happened to happen when we were technologically advanced enough to witness it.
but assuming we don’t go extinct and continue advancing for millions of years, it is very weird that it happened right in the beginning ~200 years instead of the millions we have ahead
@@Scion141 I think one of us here doesn’t understand statistics. Might be me, but I think it’s you.
@@Kyplanet893 Even if we do go extinct in the next millennium it’d still be extremely odd to have seen a once in a million year event in like 200 years of looking.
When I first saw that gigantic ring system, I immediately had huge doubts. It looked so ridiculous.
It reminds me a bit of the stories of archaeologists finding mammoth skulls and assuming that the huge nasal cavity was the eye socket of a cyclops. Sometimes, overactive imaginations seep into gaps in the data.
I doubt your doubts were scientifically justified
Science is about admitting what we don’t know. Just because something doesn’t make sense to us doesn’t mean it’s impossible. For example, TOI 5205b is a gas giant that orbits a red dwarf, which should be impossible yet it happened anyways
It didn't look ridiculous to me. On the other hand, it was very ominous, but I can't understand why. It feels... wrong? Like it's not supposed to exist or happen? Tbh that doesn't even make sense since I'm not an astronomer to be knowing what is supposed to be real or not in space. But oh well that's what I felt.
This new theory feels more like it.
For everyone saying "your doubts weren't very scientific", there's no way a ring system this large would fit inside a solar system and not shred itself apart from the gravity wells of the star and neighboring planets.
This is why it *now works* as a separate system of its own, because there ARE no "neighboring planets" and no star it's orbiting.
If you are editing in premiere, you can simply get rid of the audio pop at editing points by clicking on the meeting point of two pieces of audio and pressing ctrl+d. This will apply an audio transition. Make it only 1 frame long, and voila, audio doesn’t pop anymore
i usually just mute the footage itself to remove it but sometimes miss some
Not using premiere but this is a good tip, ty
Knowing J1407b, my favourite planet, does not exist is 100x more heartbreaking than knowing Santa doesn't exist, thanks for the info, it was a harsh dose of reality for me, but a necessary truth that I had to find out eventually, I'll spend the night drowning out my sorrows in orange juice 😞😞😞
i just wish noone told me 😢
Santa doesnt exist??? :(((
Um Santa exists. I'm 18 and I believe santa exists. I just don't believe that he was able to deliver to me this year cuz my parents got me stuff instead. Santa did get me G1 Astrotrain which is hard to get. No way my parents got me that. Also he got me a lefty electric guitar. My parents wouldn't get me a left handed guitar. Aldo I am very willing to belive that there is a man who can slow time and has very advanced technology who delivers presents on Christmas eve. Keep your hopes up my guy! But a planet with obese rings like that? Idk. That better be a REALLY dense planet cuz gravity is a bitch
It's gonna be okay. J1407b got anti-Plutoed, it has _promoted_ from planet to brown dwarf.
@@JosephHalleAnimationsandMusic Sorry lad, but it wasn't Santa, it was me mate, I gave you those because you were being a very good lad every year, never been on the naughty list at all, I'm sorry you had to find out this way😞😞😞😞😞
Good on you for not using AI writing and narration, or if you did, at least editing it well. More than most "science" channels do today. Earned you a sub
Sorry for the question, what do you mean by AI writting/narration? Like AI synth voices?
@@liri7184most new science channels ive seen use ai voices like tiktok and are generally very low effort (maybe entirely ai generated?)
@@liri7184basically, askin chat gpt to write him a script for the video
@@liri7184 Chatgpt scripted videos
@@liri7184 text-to-speech voiced videos
Lots of misconceptions in the comments, the disk/rings still exists, the only difference is that it probably doesn't orbit the star it transited like we thought it did so it might have to be reclassified as a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk instead. Since it doesn't orbit any stars, instead of the rings degrading they will probably form planets due to gravity.
Actually a pretty reasonable conclusion to come to.
So it’s more like a failed solar system since the host body failed to ignite fusion and become a star
I love discovering weird stuff we've found in space and then being able to pop into Space Engine and take a look at it.
Well, now it’s been DebOOoOonKEd, so I’d expect it to be removed sometime soon. I like classic sci-fi for the same reason-it was back when science gave us cool shit, instead of taking it away. But at least we can dream, until they explain that away too.
@@AlexanderofMiletusYeah, kinda hope they make it more accurate now. Space Engine still rocks though, and is incredibly accurate.
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This saddened me at first, but then the thought that it was an entirely different Star system that passed infront of the other Star system just perfectly in view for Earth to see it really excites me! That’s way more interesting than a huge ring planet…..
And then it got sad again as it’ll drift the universe in darkness
here’s a Theory
If we take the age of V1400 Centauri, It pretty much lines up with the whole circumplanetary disc factor because its only a couple million years old (Younger than Saturn’s rings, which also hasn’t formed a new satellite yet)
So J1407b could orbit V1400 Centauri in say an elliptical orbit that just so happened to be at the right speed and distance to think what it’s orbital period is.
The rouge brown dwarf theory is most likely though
they might’ve just formed in the same cluster, which would make them the same age and also they’d be closer together, making an encounter more likely
What if it was in the process of being launched making it a rogue planet? Or some singularity passed by and pulled to launch it? It is extremely hard to detect black holes or super massive rogue gas planets that could cause a huge orbital change
so because we know how long the transit lasted, we can determine how fast it was moving, and as far as i know it wasn’t fast moving fast enough to be on an ejection course
and keep in mind that j1407b was anywhere from 13 to just under 80 times the mass of jupiter, meaning to eject it the object that did so would’ve had to be even bigger, and anything above 80 jupiter masses would become a dectectable star
@@Kyplanet893 Could it be a slingshot event from its central star, though? I mean, if the radial velocity of J1407b pointing to its star was high enough, V1400 Centauri is surely big enough to give it a good kick. And I doubt we could measure the radial velocity of the rogue object during a single transit. Even the measured mass of the object is quite uncertain. Young solar systems can be a really chaotic place, and sometimes a relatively small object can disturb the orbit of a large one just enough to become unstable.
Arguably the least understood “planet” we know of at this point
How the hell did i find you lol
Couldn't have said it better myself
Its not even confirmed to be real lol.
That's the whole point of their comment genius.
You can hear the passion for space in your voice. Subbed.
Maybe the rings became exomoons because they are far away enough that J14O7b's gravity won't tear them apart
they wouldn’t have become moons that fast
also j1407b itself is gone, not just its rings
Darn it, I put this planet in my sci fi novel as an epic backdrop for a space battle. More research needed.
Anything involving exoplanets will inevitably become inaccurate rather quickly. Someday people will look back on our ideas about exoplanets in the same way that we view people in the 1800s thinking that the sun was inhabited and that comets were clouds of gravel
No worries, the best part about space is that it’s infinite, so even if this one doesn’t exist, another can!
It doesn’t have to be THIS planet Specifically. The best part about space sci fi is you can make whatever planet you want, if you want to make a “Super Saturn” go for it! Nothing stops you except yourself.
@@vanguardRailgun924 Unless... you're writing a rigorous Hard-Science Fiction.
UA-cam has gotten better with reccomending smaller channels. They finally made a good change.
Would you mind if I made a similar video with a similar script on this planet? It is kinda hard to change the script when events are the same but I'll put in my own little theory and change it up and have your link in the pinned comment and top of the description.
sure
i made this video to combat j1407b misinformation so the more people know about it the better
@@Kyplanet893 thank you and thanks for the information on the other comment as well I'm still learning about how things react with each other in space
very sad to see that my favorite exoplanet might not even exist at all :(
Though being open to new research is better than living in denial. Great video and you earned another sub :D
That render of the hypothetical rings is beautiful though, shame it’s probably not real. Good video
J1407b just got the biggest nerf in history
Could it be a rogue planet that passed between V1400 Centauri and the solar system? And we just somehow detected its passing?
that is what happened, but based on its mass it’s too massive to be a planet
@@Kyplanet893it could also be a miscalculation of the transit angle, no?
just based on the size of the debris disk alone we know it’s extremely massive, but there is a lot of uncertainty about it because i don’t think we know the transit angle
It’s always the small UA-camrs that are the best
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You are so underrated man! u earned a sub keep up the great work.
how the fuck did this planet get rings that big in the first place
it doesn’t have these rings and isn’t a planet as i explained in this video
did you even watch the video
Those "rings" are actually the protoplanetary disk around J1407b that will eventually form planets around it. Those planets will orbit in darkness, with surface temperatures near absolute zero, or -273.15° C (-459° F) and there will obviously be no atmosphere on these future planets because of the frigid temperature of the former J1407b and all its planet companions
I mean, given the absolutely insane scale of the galaxy there’s still probably a good chance that a planet with a huge ring system still exists somewhere in it, wether we find it or not. But also a planet like that would make for a cool setting in a sci-fi story, so I don’t think people should just forget about the concept entirely. It’s a very cool conceptual planet type
The universe never ceases to surprise me with these kinds of things. Super Saturns, brown dwarfs, planet forming. This is all very interesting to me, theoretical or not.
Could a planet theoretically still have such an obscene amount of rings based on its size?
they wouldn’t be stable for very long
the smaller the planet the easier rings like that would destabilize from encounters with other objects
a brown dwarf would have them be stable for the longest (a star would hold onto them for longer but we know for a fact that j1407b isn’t a star)
It's not a matter of mass or gravity, it's rings being inherently unstable - they're probably going to slowly coalesce into moons or fall into the planet.
@@Kyplanet893 stars have rings too?
@TheDennys21 Early in their lives, sure. Then the rings become planets.
@@kaymarx9677 i see, thanks.
Never heard of J1407b before now, but I’m glad I got the right info first!
There will be some people trying to get clicks "J1407b was an alien ship with a giant solar sail" or a mini Dyson sphere or some crap.
Nah, someone in thar solar system activated a doomsday device using the son as a battery. Drew so much power it dimmed.
How sad! This was my favorite exoplanet. 😢
I love seeing videos like this, good job!
At first I was disappointed but if the brown star hypothesis is true, it's way more insane. Actually freacking insane.
This video was very good and captured my attention for its entire duraition. Good job
Now..this “planet” is quite a strange discovery. It has a unique feature, and tons of rings…I’m sure we could get more in depth detail on this one day
To be fair, the line between super Jupiter with solar system sized rings and "brown dwarf with planetary dust cloud" is a few extra Jupiter masses and the star it's orbiting
I remember watching a video from Anton Petrov. He said it could've been a super puff planet too. Super puffs are extremely sparse planets the size of Jupiter but a bit more massive than Earth.
That's fascinating! No hyping up just pure content. I like the way you narrate and present information. I will check out your other videos :D
This video was absolutely brilliant, I adore space and cannot wait to watch more of your videos!
If a moon like Titan can have liquid water under its ground
a gas giant can have hundreds of rings
those two things have nothing in common
also, pretty much every single moon has an underground ocean, because the outer solar system is literally made of ice. Earth has a mantle made of liquid lava because it’s made of rock, and inside the planet pressure makes it much hotter, causing the rock to melt. Because the outer moons are made of ice, their mantles are made of liquid water, because pressure makes it much hotter and causes it to melt (as well as tidal forces).
There’s nothing special about titan having liquid water, it’s just because of heat and pressure and the fact the outer solar system is cold, and so has a lot of ice
j1407b on the other hand has been pretty much proven to not have rings, as I said in this video
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@@Goregreet im literally a space channel what did you expect
@@Goregreet kid be quiet 🥱
@@Goregreet Anti-intellectual and proud of it
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Im trying to get a j1407b but im watching this instead.
As a non space Addict, I never considered this being fake because I was more confused on how big it was
Wow this is something cool to learn
Star: becomes dimmer for any reason. Astronomers: its a planet! With massive rings!
Exactly! How can they assume so much from so little?
to be fair, no star had ever dimmed like that before of the millions we’ve seen, and at this point we’d already discovered hundreds of exoplanets, so knew what their transits looked like
I’ll just call this planet the “Very Big Dinner Plate”
There goes a top notch spot for 30th century marriage proposals. Rip
Awww man..
I'm glad that you made this video but this news is upsetting :( Really good video tho and very informative 👍
This is such a good video! It gave me so much information!
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Imagine waking up one day and you’re on J147-b, stuck there forever more on this
Dude space is so freakin cool there’s stuff out there I can’t even begin to imagine
Extremely interesting. Never heard about J1407b until now. 👍🏼😀
Do you have any papers for the claim that it might be a rogue brown dwarf? I’ve searched for it but found nothing. Research about this system seems to have stopped years ago, excluding those studies that propose alternative orbits right after the expected orbit is found not to match the latest observations.
arxiv.org/abs/1810.05171
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What would be insanely wild if without knowing it we saw an alien vessel using the transit method of observing.
Something yes we wouldn’t know but think of it.
When I first heard of it i was puzzled because the mass estimations, both of the rings estimations or on when they said about it, it was brown dwarf sized.
Also for those wondering, the disk is about 0.6 AU. The distance of Venus is from the sun is 0.7.
I wish I could have this guy's passion for random pieces of rock in space. I wish I could feel like that about anything.
2:30 alien planetary annihilation cannon confirmed.
Personally, the fact that it hasn't ahown up again just adds to the mystique for me. What an absolutely bizarre world, wherever it is.
Nooo, don't make me cry like that 😢
2:08 "if ya close ya eyes, does it almost feel like nothing changed at all"
This honestly makes it FAR more interesting we saw a newly forming Solar System.
What if the Super Saturn planet was actually a rogue planet it it just so happened to pass by the star astronomers thought it was orbiting, when it actually just passed by the star and then continued drifting into space?
that is what happened, but because of its high mass estimate it’s probably not a planet and instead a brown dwarf
@@Kyplanet893 is 3-13 years is enough to remove all rings. Cause it should still have ring right, 23 years is very small window
@@Kyplanet893it's kind of scary to think that there are actually rogue planets and or stars that just float in the cold darkness of space. Literally like "Aight. Imma head out." And just leaves it's home Solar System. Crazy to think something as big as a planet can druft through space like that.
or it has those massive rings but it's a rogue planet?
because we’re pretty certain planets are currently forming in those rings, it has to be classified as a protoplanetary disk
It's funny how much we "know" about space, when it actually we haven't even got a "close up" picture of anything outside of our solar system. Space could be completely different from what we think it is, we just have no real idea other than an educated guess
What if the reason we haven’t seen it yet is because of the time difference? It may take 3-13 years for it to complete its orbit around the star but does that mean it’s the same 3-13 years for us? Sorry if I’m wrong it’s just a theory
yes, it’s the same 3-13 years
the orbital period was calculated based on the objects speed. The faster it orbits, the shorter the time it’ll take to go around the star. So based on how long the transit lasted we can know how fast it was moving and how long it’s year should’ve been
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oh yeah
Until i clicked on the video i thought i was looking at an artistic illustration of a protoplanetary disc
Imagine if the reason was actually because a huge fucking black hole just passed through our line of sight from it and is heading right for us
Came here from some UA-cam short about this planet if it was in our solar system, a comment mentioned ur vid. Pretty cool
This is scary. There are countless rogue brown dwarfs (and worse) roaming the galaxy. One could go into the solar system one day.
we would see it thousands of years in advance
brown dwarfs emit light
@@Kyplanet893 I don't think so. They are often hard to see. Lets say 1 was 100 times as far from the sun as Pluto is. Will people see it?
@RichardCranium. yes, they would
we can see brown dwarfs hundreds of light years away
the spitzer space telescope was able to detect Ahra, a sub brown dwarf that’s only 150 degrees fahrenheit, using direct imaging from 64 light years away from it
ok @@Kyplanet893
Thanks for an awesome video. More pls.
Awesome video! Great work!!!
couldn't it be a rogue gas gaint, either since the start or was kicked out? sure it'll be unlikey for the planet to hold it rings in either event but withthe discover of the perfect ressonece system, it wouldn't be impossable
The perfect resonance system is overhyped and doesn’t have anything to do with j1407b, i don’t see how that would make it possible
and the reason it has to be a rogue brown dwarf is because the only objects with enough gravity to hold a protoplanetary disk like that together for long periods of time and not be a star are brown dwarfs
@Kyplanet893 I was comparing the probabilities between the resonance system existing up discovery and j14o7b holding on to its rings while entering and exiting the system.
As for the j1407 being a brown dwarf due to it holding the rings for long periods of time. It a bit of an assumption to say that j1407b to have had rings/disk for a geological long time. This point is also weaken by the argument of it being a rough object, that spends most of its time in the void, with very little gravitional interactions with other large mass objects, and would hold on to the rings/disk for a far longer period of time then if it was in a solar system. With the only issues being when they passby/enter a solar system. Though that would effect both a planet and a brown dwarf. We also don't have a full grasp of how the rings looked to tell confidently say what state they where in, with the transient method being rather narrow(?) in its presentation of data, with it only showing the changes across a horizontal axis/pov.
@elysainempire4628 @elysainempire4628 without gravitational disturbances the rings will also slowly form into moons, and seeing as j1407b passed through v1400 centauri’s system like that then other encounters can happen
and it’s far more likely that we’re looking at something that has existed for a long time than one that has existed for a short time so it’s a fair assumption to say the rings aren’t extremely new
Nice video mate
This is the best drinking game ever created. Everytime he says J1407b you drink
I hadn't actually heard about this supposed super ringed exoplanet and it's a bummer it isn't real, but the possibility of it being a rouge brown dwarf is even more fascinating. Thanks for the update!
I definitely would not want to get that ring stuck on my finger.
Yeah marriage sucks
Aliens sending a morse code to mankind telling us to shut down our radiowaves, before HE notices
The aliens noticed we saw what they were building
😐
Ah yes, the kim kardashian of all planets
Does enough data exist from the original transit observation it was detected to estimate a trayectory?
not sure
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Protoplanetary disk still counts as rings.
space engine needs to update this planet lol
The orbital period for J1407b is estimated to be around a decade (13.8 years)
J1407b is a young gas giant of around 13 to 26 times of the mass of Jupiter, its rings are large, yes, but new moons (not planets), are forming within the rings. Its rings are primordial in origin.
It could be possible that due to its mass, it either can’t coexist with its parent star and has flung further out, or has fallen closer to it, diminishing its rings and likely the planet itself from being seen.
A similar phenomenon happened between Jupiter and the Sun in the early days of the Solar System, but Jupiter was stopped from going closer to the sun by Saturn’s gravity when it formed.
But it’s unlikely that a sibling planet for J1407b exists, let alone tug on it.
It could still be continuing to orbit the star, but it might have migrated more outwards making it harder to detect.
the problem is, planets don’t migrate that fast
@@Kyplanet893 They can, depending on the gravitational forces
@@SchwabGames2014 even if they could there’s still the problem of why we haven’t seen it when records of the star go back to 1890
@@Kyplanet893 You do realize we didn’t have telescopes capable of seeing or detecting exoplanets, right?
@@SchwabGames2014 j1407b’s transits were so sharp that telescopes from that time would’ve been able to notice the star dimming
It’s just some extremely large Death Star….I mean space station.
Brown Dwarf was the first thing I thought also.
3:42 "but doesn't orbit a star like a rogue planet." xD
Interesting! So do you know when was it hypothesised?
the transit happened in 2007 if that’s what you’re asking
but it was this year when the rogue brown dwarf hypothesis came out i believe
Bigger than the full moon in the sky is an understatement
Where did you get this info on j1407b this was my fav exo planet, this is like finding out Santa doesn't exist 😢
arxiv.org/abs/1810.05171
here’s one of the sources i used
Bro, you literally ruined Christmas for me
I’m believe this giant super Saturn is out there I’m glad us humans were able to spot a amazing planet super far away sadly we might not find it again I hope we can actually find it
Aw i always had doubts on his rings to even exist but wished they were gonna stay
J1407b went out for smokes and lotto scratchers but promised he'll be back in a hour 🤞
Saturn after hearing this:SCORE BOARD, SCORE BOARD
So that ring could be a disc forming a planet
forming multiple planets, yes
oh .. J1407b was one of my favourite planets D=
Drinking game: take a shot everytime he says J1407b
Joking aside, very good video