Overwatch 2: BEST & WORST Heroes Season 7 - The Counter-Pick META!

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    Season 7 has a harsh counter pick meta in play where a lot of heroes see play that can force you to swap. Tank still is quite miserable, supports can do it all and DPS offer a great bevy of options to punish the tank or attempt damaging the backline.
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  • @davidlipman8331
    @davidlipman8331 8 місяців тому +265

    Rein and Winston at the bottom. It's the worst timeline.

  • @dark_matter8420
    @dark_matter8420 8 місяців тому +189

    I just hope we'll see some serious changes for the Tank role. Preferably no buffs, but nerfs to overall damage, healing and CC across the board. The role is horrendous to play and even with twice as many Tanks compared to OW1, it is still by far the least played role. For the role who is supposed to be the backbone of the team, it sure feels like you're playing a scared, glorified punching bag.

    • @rxy3699
      @rxy3699 8 місяців тому +21

      It's still insane to me how the OW devs buffed most of the tank buster DPS heroes for absolutely no reason and were surprised no one wanted to play the role anymore. Fighting Bastion, getting 3 tapped by Torb, and having to worry about Symm beaming you (Echo too) makes the role mad annoying to play.
      And that's not even mentioning Ana anti nading or sleeping you literally every second you try to do something lol

    • @ForbidenXShadow
      @ForbidenXShadow 8 місяців тому +12

      And for half of the tanks you literally don’t do enough dps to kill anything bc the heal per second is so strong. That wouldn’t be a problem if u could miss on healer but u can’t. Everything is auto lock op bs in shooter game. They should balance support by making u have to aim on it so that way I can miss in heat of the team fight. And u can still have ur teammate saving op plays

    • @rxy3699
      @rxy3699 8 місяців тому +2

      @ForbidenXShadow yeah, I especially think life weaver and kiriko have pretty strong tracking on their heals which both heal a lot is an issue. Like OP said I hope healing is just nerfed in general

    • @ricocarpenter2189
      @ricocarpenter2189 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@ForbidenXShadowThe only supports with autolock dps are Moira and technically Brig

    • @m_fox-8281
      @m_fox-8281 8 місяців тому +4

      I would honestly be fine with just TRYING 6v6 again (with minor nerfs to tanks) just to see how it'd work with the new format. That, and I want to see the 2CP maps thrown into the quickplay pool just to see how things would go. Or they could like, you know. Use the experimental mode that they've been neglecting for years now

  • @LaiLai-2111
    @LaiLai-2111 8 місяців тому +54

    Rein’s win rate is so high in low elos bc if your team doesn’t have a Rein down their then they throw bc it’s the only tank they understand how to play with lmaoooo

    • @shaheedroylance
      @shaheedroylance 8 місяців тому +2

      It actual torture sometimes! 😭
      They forget to heal & position etc. & so ofc we die.
      Then jus spam "REIN!"
      Bc dw if they're runnin bastion/mercy. Rein fixes everything apparently. 🤦
      I try to appease with Sig. but watchin em when that shield comes down, funniest sh*t ever. No word of a lie, They run in every direction! almost always a Soldier runnin in circles & or into walls somewhere!
      If u don't laugh, you'll cry...! tank games in a nutshell! 😅😭🤕

  • @arielcastillo3513
    @arielcastillo3513 8 місяців тому +38

    No, we do not need buffs. Buffing characters into relevancy is what got us here. Support players felt helpless and low impact. Now they carry the game. LW got endless buffs now gets 20k healing in a 10 min game. Things just need to be scaled back a bit and that’ll bring the lower tier heroes back into contention.

    • @hobonolen
      @hobonolen 8 місяців тому +3

      I’ve been saying this , these bad balance updates are partially because the community complains before actually learning how to play …. I was master support season 1 and when I heard people complain I knew if they were buffed it’d be op and look now

    • @metal100k
      @metal100k 8 місяців тому +2

      Bro lifeweavers heals are busted. Every other fight he has tree. His flower just negates many tank ults. His pull grants immortality for a short while. His dps is actually busted up close where his accuracy is actually relevant.
      The important part is too that none of his abilities are skill shots. His skill shot is putting the flower down under the orisa. At least Ana's abilities are skill related and can get negated themselves. And people complain about her like she's the problem.
      Sorry for the rant lol

    • @arielcastillo3513
      @arielcastillo3513 8 місяців тому +1

      @@metal100k it’s true. Ana has to earn everything she does. I don’t land all my shots, nades or sleeps but with LW is too forgiving and you really can’t mess up. That being said Ana does have among the strongest abilities in the game. I personally think tho that LW Bap and riko need tuning most.

    • @metal100k
      @metal100k 8 місяців тому

      @@arielcastillo3513 yes her abilities are the strongest but she is exploitable and she is entirely skill based. She has no press a button to escape ability. I never feel bad when an ana sleeps me and I die. But when lw and similar rotate their immortality and self burst heals, plus their mobility is frustrating.

  • @austinm223
    @austinm223 8 місяців тому +26

    Counter-pick meta has been the meta since OW2 launched.

    • @AlexP-dz7ew
      @AlexP-dz7ew 8 місяців тому +10

      Which is hilarious because they said they were going to move away from pick metas when they put heroes behind a paywall

    • @BrofUJu
      @BrofUJu 8 місяців тому +1

      Huh? Kiriko was must pick for a while.

    • @niggachu420
      @niggachu420 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@AlexP-dz7ewheros ain't behind payrolls dum dum 🤣

    • @ccricers
      @ccricers 8 місяців тому +1

      It's so fun when you have the upper hand, then the other team breaks Bastion out of the emergency glass, said no one ever.

    • @davidnewhart2533
      @davidnewhart2533 8 місяців тому

      ​@@niggachu420
      Paywall, not payroll.

  • @johnsonspark171
    @johnsonspark171 8 місяців тому +6

    counter-picking is so. effing. LAME. Just give us hero bans in ranked already and be done with it. If Blizzard isn't going to properly balance supports then the least they can do is let us ban Kiriko, Ana, Bap, and Illari!

  • @joewalda2678
    @joewalda2678 8 місяців тому +53

    This has been a miserable season as tank so far

    • @NightBlade117
      @NightBlade117 8 місяців тому +1

      Amen to that. I've officially sworn the role off starting today if you'll believe it.

    • @craignp007
      @craignp007 8 місяців тому

      Ya I quit tank last season. GM to unranked. I was a dva main. I got to play her less than a min per game b4 HARD countered by zar & other beams. So never got to play one of my fav most played characters anymore. And even my other proficient tanks, just constantly swapping over n over sucks

    • @TheAzulon
      @TheAzulon 8 місяців тому +1

      As dps too.
      Nothing....fucking...dies.

  • @Chugmaballz
    @Chugmaballz 8 місяців тому +6

    It’s so crazy when you look and see that most of the bottom tier characters are quite solid, but then the absolute domination of the S and A tier characters remind you of why they are so bad

  • @danreef3
    @danreef3 8 місяців тому +3

    I really like the structure of the video. I like to snap a pic with my phone to apply when I'm playing, and you broke it up perfectly with individual roles and then the full roster.

  • @Trident_Gaming03
    @Trident_Gaming03 8 місяців тому +3

    Wasn't the entire point Overwatch was turned into Overwatch 2 to not have counterpicking?
    So what's the point, then?

    • @ironman1458
      @ironman1458 8 місяців тому

      I thought the point was pve, not like that happened either

  • @etienneoligny5106
    @etienneoligny5106 8 місяців тому +3

    Best counter is to stop playing. After 8 years, they managed to get me frustrated with the game enough that i am leaving :(

  • @forthe3136
    @forthe3136 8 місяців тому +3

    I’d personally move kiri up to A, mercy up to B, and all the C tier dps up to B except tracer

  • @NightBlade117
    @NightBlade117 8 місяців тому +2

    Pro tip from a semi-casual player if you'll read it:
    Give up on tank, become a support main, and have fun playing Counterwatch on dps. Its the only way i can have fun in this game anymore, and that's coming from a semi-casual player (mid plat to low diamond)

  • @almondwater9583
    @almondwater9583 8 місяців тому +2

    Counter picking is boring as hell. When Winston is meta the game is the most healthy fun and skillful btw. Respectfully as a Winston main.

    • @JA-kr1lz
      @JA-kr1lz 8 місяців тому

      Winston and Rein

  • @heiko2255
    @heiko2255 8 місяців тому +3

    6v6 is right there
    Yeah yeah, 2x Shield was bad, but that wouldnt even exist anymore
    And the whole bs counterswapping is not even close to be as bad as it is in 6v6
    If we go back to 6v6 and wouldnt have 2x Shield, OW would be 100x more fun.

    • @Phobie_2008
      @Phobie_2008 8 місяців тому +2

      This is never going to happen and people need to stop talking about it. Overwatch 2 was literally BUILT around 5v5, we’d literally need an Overwatch 3 for 6v6 to come back.

    • @heiko2255
      @heiko2255 8 місяців тому

      @@Phobie_2008 Well see, balancing in 5v5 wont get better.
      But if Blizzard somehow actually managaes to release a decent patch, where counterswapping isnt as severe as it is now
      Where Supps arent OP as fuck
      And where tank feels rewarding to play
      Then fine, i dont think 6v6 will return.
      But i just dont see that happening, and like i said i also think 6v6 is just better.

  • @trueflood323
    @trueflood323 8 місяців тому +2

    I knew playing tracer was just feeling so off. Each time I land a pulse nuke just for no one to die. When you hear that stick notification you have to look at the killfeed cause 9/10 times something saved them. Boring. Finally got the understanding of her gameplay loop just for players to take out deployables. Main reason why i dont buy battle passes no more and log in only for a few games

  • @NightBlade117
    @NightBlade117 8 місяців тому +3

    I remember when Blizzard went on record to say, around the time OVW2 first released, that balance isn't about making things even across the board, its about making things fun. With Rein and Winston as low as they are on your tier list, it speaks volumes for the current state of the role, let alone the game. Kinda depressing.

  • @McLovin-Chan
    @McLovin-Chan 8 місяців тому +6

    The dps counter pickinh tank is so annoying and game killing. I legit had a game where the enemy dps just counter picked me every time I switched before they even died. It’s ridiculous and you are literally at the mercy of your dps, if your dps don’t switch to there tanks counter gg dawg

    • @ReaveIdono
      @ReaveIdono 8 місяців тому +1

      Or you could learn how to play against your bad matchups.

    • @McLovin-Chan
      @McLovin-Chan 8 місяців тому

      @@ReaveIdono sure, you can just say “skill issue git gud” but the truth of the matter is that, as a tank, you are powerless in the game if everyone decides to counterpick you. Its not even skillful, half the counters play themselves. It’s a fundamental issue, in which I have no idea how they’re going to fix. Shit is boring as hell. Dps and support get to have fun though.

    • @ReaveIdono
      @ReaveIdono 8 місяців тому

      @@McLovin-Chan If everyone is countering you then it's reasonable to change but you'll never win if you don't know how to play who you want to play at any given time. Also it sounds like you're not taking into consideration what your team has and how to manipulate the fight into their advantage while using your character.

  • @VoltaReviews
    @VoltaReviews 8 місяців тому +2

    “And that’s the entire tier list guys, Supports reigning supreme!” - very well put and awesome tier list 🔥 Very much looking forward to the mid season balance patch 😅

  • @darkarkzlive
    @darkarkzlive 8 місяців тому +4

    Don't understand how everyone just realizing bastion is OP. He's been op since ow2 came out. Like people are scared to shoot zar not knowing he can take both bubbles and kill with turret. Only true counter is sig but a good bastion can easily bait him into using abilities before turret

    • @DaffyTaffy93
      @DaffyTaffy93 8 місяців тому

      Hog can counter bastion but who the hell plays hog nowadays

    • @nycempirestate4689
      @nycempirestate4689 8 місяців тому +1

      Bastion is definitely OP right now, but not at the start of OW2. The character was just a niche pick, which is what he should always be, given how easy Bastion is to play. Blizzard should have tuned the recon mode, not buff the easiest part of Bastion’s kit.

  • @PhantomEmperor
    @PhantomEmperor 8 місяців тому +31

    Being a flex player right now makes this all hilarious especially when one tricks lose their mind

    • @alexander2019.
      @alexander2019. 8 місяців тому +2

      It’s hilarious seeing them randomly swap to other heroes to attempt to counter you.

    • @ReaveIdono
      @ReaveIdono 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@alexander2019. Then they are not one tricks. Highly specialized players know how to deal with a multitude of scenarios both in their favor and not.

    • @alexander2019.
      @alexander2019. 8 місяців тому +1

      @@ReaveIdono No they are a one trick who’s getting clapped and getting desperate. That or their team is screaming at them to swap lmao. Some just never swap and some do when it’s a last resort

  • @dlbarnes
    @dlbarnes 8 місяців тому +1

    I SCREAM, “I need healing!” my support is nowhere to be found 😂 Tanks 🤢

  • @kyubbikcat2281
    @kyubbikcat2281 8 місяців тому +2

    I’m gonna say it right now. I think Sombra is S tier. She is perhaps the best enabler in the entire game. Why? She is the greatest support counter right now. Hear me out.
    All of Sombra’s abilities have short cool downs. Pair that with her perma stealth passive allows her to engage and disengage many times in a short period of time. Landing virus is does 110 damage, her bullets hit harder now, and her gun has zero spread the first few shots. This means she can insane amounts of damage every time she engages. And when she does so against the enemy support, two things happen.
    1. The support responds too slowly and dies near instantaneously. And you can disengage and re-engage seconds later and threaten the other support.
    2. You force support cool downs. But because Sombra has such low cool downs, she can run away and threaten them again mere seconds later at FULL FORCE. Prompting the support to use more cool downs to save themselves or they die.
    Sombra also always gets the first hit with her element of surprise thanks to her invis making it near impossible to know where she is AND she can catch you off guard really easily. She can engage and disengage from better angles than tracer. She has 200 hp, so Illari can’t win the duel with just 1 body shot. She’s the best answer for turrets and pylons, as 1 virus and a few bullets can easily get the job done AND they won’t get healed for the most part. Add all this up and you find out she baits cool downs better and faster than tanks ever can. Which is a GOOD thing, because this enables the tank to actually make plays instead of just baiting cool downs all by themselves.
    In the end, Sombra went from the most cringe brain dead counter to tanks, and evolved into the supports big bad wolf. So you better hide support players, because I’ve just become your worst nightmare.

    • @greenpig1175
      @greenpig1175 8 місяців тому

      She’s terrible against supports rn, most of them counter her easily. She’s definitely c tier

    • @josephquinto5812
      @josephquinto5812 8 місяців тому

      @@greenpig1175
      Definitely isn’t C tier, especially if you’re playing with people who know how to prioritize targets.

  • @ForbidenXShadow
    @ForbidenXShadow 8 місяців тому +5

    I find sombra can bait out support cd’s like a doom.

  • @Leo-ry3kx
    @Leo-ry3kx 8 місяців тому +3

    i really like almost all of your points, I think you explained them all with sound reasoning and nuance.
    I can’t wait to hear these opinions parroted in my games with none of that :)

  • @Sir_Bratze
    @Sir_Bratze 8 місяців тому +1

    we dont need to buff tanks, but nerf everything else like damage, cooldowns and ult charge. i hate that "let's use 5 ults and win" mentality. work for your ult and dont just empty 2 mags for it

  • @Daniel-zs4ww
    @Daniel-zs4ww 8 місяців тому +1

    This season just feels like Goats 2.0. But with Lifeweaver instead of Brig. We've come full circle.

  • @q3aki
    @q3aki 8 місяців тому +2

    this vid proves why like barely noone plays tanks right now - and it;s been months since we seen any thing about them. This is really the direction of OW1

  • @strykerman7888
    @strykerman7888 8 місяців тому +3

    Off topic, but does anyone else keep forgetting that pve exists?😂

  • @Uzustar
    @Uzustar 8 місяців тому

    I haven’t played as much as I use to but I can say, I’ve quite often made a bastion rethink his life choices as Reinhardt with positioning and high risk high reward plays. Don’t ever underestimate rein, he can surprise you

  • @DjNaste
    @DjNaste 8 місяців тому +1

    Nah, Kirikio is still fucking cracked. Kiriko paired with any of the supports you have listed in S tier is a very good comp, especially Baptiste. Suzu and Kitsune are two of the best abilities in the game, the fact that she can also two-tap people with no damage falloff and has a TP out of jail free is the icing on the cake. Though I agree that Lifeweaver is very good, it is still infinitely easier to carry games with Kiriko, provided that you can land your shots.

  • @ashleyhendy2788
    @ashleyhendy2788 8 місяців тому

    Will mythic skins I'm not used to or know anything about them but i like that you can change the weapons or appearance depending on the hero. will they ever come back or is it you miss it gone forever?

  • @TooEasy1515
    @TooEasy1515 8 місяців тому +3

    Only think I’d change is that sigma should be A. Just barely above the rest cause poke is so strong

  • @wanderingyeehaw
    @wanderingyeehaw 8 місяців тому

    10:10 ohh my gyaaad that sleep was so insane I swear my heart skipped a beat

  • @thomasjohnson4456
    @thomasjohnson4456 8 місяців тому

    Frido's writing / presentation is by far the best among YT OW streamers. Nice production.

  • @sectorcodec
    @sectorcodec 8 місяців тому +1

    You HAVE to land hand shots on Illari? The one character who doesn’t do double damage when you headshot? Strongly disagree Freedo

  • @Setuaro
    @Setuaro 8 місяців тому +1

    Here's the thing about lifeweaver. One that doesn't know when or how to use his ult is beyond useless and should switch off instantly.
    His dash is great but with it's CD people get careless and use it the second they take damage, causing them to get into a wrong position.
    Petal requires teamwork to really get the most use out of (unless you're just finding a high angle for yourself to heal safely from) and ofcourse lifegrip is great but I've seen a lot of lifeweavers pull their allies away when they weren't in any immediate danger of dying or were using their defensive.

  • @animefan7617
    @animefan7617 8 місяців тому +4

    i dont think mercy is bad. Im seeing a lot of mercy soujorn in gm getting value. In NA everyother game has a doomfist, she can infinite float and never die to him and pocket his targets/rev them.

    • @forthe3136
      @forthe3136 8 місяців тому +3

      Doesn’t really make sense to put mercy in C when she can still gets a lot of value pocketing pharah, echo, soldier, sojourn, and Ashe. Even with these supports crazy healing numbers a mercy pocketed dps can still completely take over a game

    • @harkaranbrar2342
      @harkaranbrar2342 8 місяців тому

      dont forget the extremely broken rez that can go through walls and takes like no time, once a mercy starts rez ur going to probably need like 2 ppl shooting at here before she can get the rez off
      @@forthe3136

    • @JA-kr1lz
      @JA-kr1lz 8 місяців тому +2

      I see mercy in every game in GM. I have no idea how these other supposed GM youtubers put mercy so low when most games are won based on her holding down a button on a dps. Can’t imagine how bad it is for lower ranks due to how easy she is to play

    • @harkaranbrar2342
      @harkaranbrar2342 8 місяців тому

      @@JA-kr1lz I’m masters in dps and diamond tank and mercy’s dominate lobbies, the maps that have lots of cover for her are just unfair sometimes

  • @lesliejacoby9137
    @lesliejacoby9137 8 місяців тому +1

    Having hammond above reinhardt is a bit crazy.

  • @burgerbonkerqueenmsp9761
    @burgerbonkerqueenmsp9761 8 місяців тому +1

    i fucking hate playing against doom. hes so miserable with the insane output of heals right now, he feels unkillable even when you have orisa sombra etc

  • @daddykarlach
    @daddykarlach 8 місяців тому +1

    Bastion, Mei, and Hanzo obviously belong in the S tier but that would counter the whole narrative that only supports ruin the game so we can't do that. 🤭

  • @Gerbil_OW
    @Gerbil_OW 8 місяців тому +1

    i would drop zarya down to c and move sig to the top. zar just gets burned so fast through bubbles that she cant sustain at all and sigma only dies if he messes up his cooldown cycle

  • @soularpowergaming
    @soularpowergaming 8 місяців тому +1

    They really need to fix balance in this game, it's so fkn miserable right now.

  • @mirkinator2221
    @mirkinator2221 8 місяців тому +1

    ain't no way bro just said "kureeko" ;-; as someone whose been studying Japanese this hurts me so much lmao

  • @ninco1339
    @ninco1339 8 місяців тому +1

    Yeah with LW being as strong as he is, mercy just isn't doing as well anymore. Bring back the below 50% boost to healing! Triage healer awaaaay!

  • @Mag0ne
    @Mag0ne 8 місяців тому +1

    You're way off on your Pharah analysis. Putting her in A-Rank because she can hit deployables does not make up for the fact that she is one of the easiest heroes to counter-pick. Her ult has been left far behind and her counters have been getting buffed or added to.

  • @metazeen
    @metazeen 8 місяців тому +5

    I swear freedo never does not NOT drop a banger video, he always simplifys things in a way that makes me feel stupid for never realizing it before

  • @BlankTFS
    @BlankTFS 8 місяців тому +1

    Putting kiriko in B tier really makes the credibility of this video go down.

  • @DNYLNY
    @DNYLNY 8 місяців тому +2

    Hot take: Bap was always S tier in ow2

    • @Tyger-vm9vu
      @Tyger-vm9vu 8 місяців тому

      I main him since ow1 and hes always been an S tier

  • @DMT4Dinner
    @DMT4Dinner 8 місяців тому

    It’s like you’re psychic. Spot on analysis. Wonder where we go from here

  • @Rezlusiowa
    @Rezlusiowa 8 місяців тому

    2:20 Bro certainly had not seen OWL finals 💀

  • @theward0ctor974
    @theward0ctor974 8 місяців тому +21

    I'm surprised kiriko isn't rated higher just for The fact that suzu counters basically every cool down and every ultimate in the game. People might argue that life Weaver can just use his e or his old but that's the thing tree is an ultimate and he only gets one person with his regular cooldown. Suzu is just a one press button that counters half the game

    • @BrofUJu
      @BrofUJu 8 місяців тому +2

      Ok, but so is Lamp. And his damage is more consistent, nevermind his shift. You just can't get that much done on Kiriko.

    • @thedofflin
      @thedofflin 8 місяців тому +1

      Kiriko is usually good at countering tank ultimates, but I guess tanks aren't impactful anyway so it's not strictly necessary.

    • @kingoverseas9052
      @kingoverseas9052 8 місяців тому +3

      People are still stuck in the Kiriko release mentality, she's behind a lot of healers right now, just having Suzu isn't enough now. Let's not forget her climbing and teleport are still bugged.

    • @beleagueredbeluga5228
      @beleagueredbeluga5228 8 місяців тому +1

      Probably because the suzu is not really the big deal that its made out to be. Skill issue on your part.

    • @ironman1458
      @ironman1458 8 місяців тому +1

      @@kingoverseas9052 The only difference between Kiri now and release is you actually have to be good on her now. She's fundamentally the same character just slightly less forgiving in some ways. The reason she is behind other supports is cause most supports literally play themselves and she actually requires atleast 5 brain cells

  • @theinfamousbrothers6039
    @theinfamousbrothers6039 8 місяців тому

    how can u put doomfist with orisa in the same tier ?

  • @metal100k
    @metal100k 8 місяців тому

    Anyone else disturbed by how easy lifeweavers just negate grav/orisa ult. Its just *SO* easy. And by the time you get it out the fight is either won or lost.

  • @murlocow2996
    @murlocow2996 8 місяців тому +3

    Tracer not being at least A tier means there’s a balance issue

    • @coral250
      @coral250 8 місяців тому

      every dlc support since brig has been designed to counter her let that sink in

    • @murlocow2996
      @murlocow2996 8 місяців тому

      @@coral250 yea rly sad. The amazing thing is that she still has outplay potential but at this point it feels like you have to play absolutely perfectly to get value :(

  • @lan66hardy
    @lan66hardy 8 місяців тому +1

    This must be a fever dream season seeing Sym and Torb who have always been niche picks to be top tier picks
    What is wrong with the dev team

  • @JordansoBASED
    @JordansoBASED 8 місяців тому +3

    I just gotta see how big the Support nerf will be

    • @pulsar.
      @pulsar. 8 місяців тому +1

      "-0.17 heals per sec"

  • @derunfassbarebielecki
    @derunfassbarebielecki 8 місяців тому

    New Sombra is extremely good against rushing and diving tanks. Rushing and diving in means often playing below half life and if a sombra hacks you, you cant use your abilities and will fall over in a short period of time. This isnt fun at all, because youre practically forced to play defensively, which is totally boring most of the time.

  • @mratlas3364
    @mratlas3364 8 місяців тому

    That Lucio just got skewered 💀

  • @Nalters
    @Nalters 8 місяців тому

    How do I deal with a grouped team with Bastion, Mei, and Brig? Even a headshot with widow won’t kill them and I die so quickly. Soldier can never finish off anything and feels like I’m shooting bullet sponges.
    The only options I can think of is Cassidy non stop headshots, and Hanzo. I refuse to join their boring playstyle

  • @joshrobinett249
    @joshrobinett249 8 місяців тому +1

    eyyy some tank clips. Nice job, Boomer. I approve of starting the tank list at B tier...because you're right that's how it feels these days. FYI my great uninstall tantrum lasted about 3-4 weeks. Tank role still in a rough spot...but even so there's just nothing quite like OW.

  • @calgumbo5193
    @calgumbo5193 8 місяців тому

    Man I wish supports were amazing in low tier like they are in high tier. Everytime I play it doesn't feel like Healing is OP

  • @solarbirdyz
    @solarbirdyz 8 місяців тому

    That Widowmaker comment is so extremely on point, right? I come out, I dominate shit for anywhere from the first half a round to the first round and a half, then they counterpick and I'm just _done_. I'm getting better at making myself switch off but it's my favourite role, so it's frustrating.
    Fortunately I'm not a bad Pharah either. xD

  • @tarango759
    @tarango759 8 місяців тому +1

    Monke and Rein below hog, you can't tell how shit this meta is.

  • @marcusbullock2753
    @marcusbullock2753 8 місяців тому

    Bap should be good for the hype for Mauga so they can run a comp together.

  • @dyingmeatful
    @dyingmeatful 8 місяців тому

    Rein at the bottom really kills me

  • @Inali097
    @Inali097 8 місяців тому

    I’m takin a break from OW, I think it took a little time for the dismal future of this game to set in after the reveal that Blizzard knew PVE was failing and covered it up to maximize OW2 launch profits. Little patches won’t bring back the magic of 2017

  • @arickhook370
    @arickhook370 8 місяців тому

    That Tank tier list is a clear representation of why 5v5 sucks, especially for tank players. Big L Blizzard

  • @DDoig1
    @DDoig1 8 місяців тому

    I didn't realise Winston was so low down the list. I thought he was good throughout all of OW2.

  • @anananan2419
    @anananan2419 8 місяців тому +17

    I love how every character in the game can beat reaper like it’s pathetic how the game abandoned this character and didn’t give him a single buff since the drop of ow2 justice for reaper😔

    • @PhenomRom
      @PhenomRom 8 місяців тому +8

      Say you’re joking

    • @ghoulbuster1
      @ghoulbuster1 8 місяців тому +1

      Reaper was never good, they gotta rework him.

    • @luckybastard9354
      @luckybastard9354 8 місяців тому

      Thank you it feels like the devs have completely forgotten about him def needs a little rework but so much anti reaper kits now it’s not even funny

    • @ReaveIdono
      @ReaveIdono 8 місяців тому +4

      Reaper is great if you play him correctly. Standing next to your tank is not the play.

    • @domicci4460
      @domicci4460 8 місяців тому

      Reaper beats genji

  • @Serendipity_GamingX
    @Serendipity_GamingX 8 місяців тому +1

    As a high master low gm widow main sombra is the only thing in game that gets me to swap its insane gow fast she elims squishies

    • @forthe3136
      @forthe3136 8 місяців тому +1

      Yea I feel you as soon as I start folding a dps with zen they swap to sombra😔

  • @ChrisHolzer
    @ChrisHolzer 8 місяців тому

    Ball and Doom players are the worst, in Gold at least.
    When our tank goes Ball or Doom a loss is almost guaranteed because they have no clue how to play them.

  • @TickleBall
    @TickleBall 8 місяців тому +1

    It’s almost like 2 tanks was the better choice… 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @unmellowthegamer8946
    @unmellowthegamer8946 8 місяців тому

    The section on reaper was so brief and weird to me.
    is killing the back line on reaper a plat only play or something?

    • @agnihistoria7951
      @agnihistoria7951 8 місяців тому

      Master here, for the beginning of the game and at some points. But most of my help on reaper is me staying next to a tank and pushing forward things.

  • @soucaco
    @soucaco 8 місяців тому

    guess I'm finally learning this game cause I agree with everything. Well, all except one. I think ball is the worst tank by far. Most of the best characters in this patch can easily counter ball. And by counter I mean might as well stay in spawn. You just need to win one fight and I guarantee you'll see Orisa, mei, symm, bastion, ana, etc on the next fight. Good luck hitting a single pile driver with ana and orisa on the enemy team. And if they go sym the turrets will make you lose speed all the time.

  • @wm8401
    @wm8401 8 місяців тому +2

    Uninstall is S tier

  • @nelsonfiega4071
    @nelsonfiega4071 8 місяців тому

    ‘Shows a bap ego clip, while talking about illari and her gameplay’

  • @playmakerp8589
    @playmakerp8589 8 місяців тому

    Rien will be the next mythic skins, you heard it hear first folks

  • @CaelenSawyers
    @CaelenSawyers 8 місяців тому

    Love seeing Sombra ranked so low because she "can't do stuff to tanks and is good at taking out squishies" when tanks are in their worst season ever. How does that make any sense.

    • @greenpig1175
      @greenpig1175 8 місяців тому

      Because her entire playstyle against tanks has been gutted for a healer assasin play style, but the problem with this is that supports are basically unkillable so she kinda sucks.

    • @CaelenSawyers
      @CaelenSawyers 8 місяців тому

      @@greenpig1175 she’s a dps killer and in specific cases a support killer.

    • @greenpig1175
      @greenpig1175 8 місяців тому

      @@CaelenSawyers kinda a hit scan killer tbh, just like genii is. But Sombra against other flanker heores gets bodied. She needs team play now more than ever which is cool ngl.

  • @o0_VanYsH_0o
    @o0_VanYsH_0o 8 місяців тому +1

    Well, Good news is that if as many adjustments are going to happen in midseason patch as I think there will be, I'm excited if Widow might get a buff due to the Sombra Rework now being very oppressive. Widow got hit hard by Mobility Creep, her Grapple Hook is nearly double the amount of Cooldown as some of the faster DPS and Supports that have been released. Would be happy if her Venom mine also had a bigger explosion radius, and longer enemy reveal time.

  • @genericweeb3816
    @genericweeb3816 8 місяців тому

    I agree but think kiriko is really good too. At least in gm

  • @sloppyjoe9156
    @sloppyjoe9156 8 місяців тому

    As a Winston main I’ve been playing other games this season

  • @CaptainDaddy69
    @CaptainDaddy69 8 місяців тому +1

    Not even a hot take on the tanks. Sure, when you look at them individually, they have good stuff, but once you throw in all the other players/roles, you can barely move.

    • @forthe3136
      @forthe3136 8 місяців тому

      Because the dps and supports are just teaming up to counter you and make sure you can’t do shit

  • @CERTAIND00M
    @CERTAIND00M 8 місяців тому +3

    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who can't stand comp this season. It's just... not fun. I think it's time to finally admit that 5v5 was an overcorrection. Losing stuns and lowering shield health were both smart choices but losing tank combos removed a lot of potential for fun and innovative gameplay and turned the single tank role into "Counter-Pick Simulator 2023".

    • @ReaveIdono
      @ReaveIdono 8 місяців тому +2

      I'd rather counter pick simulator than 2 tanks that deny all the damage and CC and closing off flank routes.

    • @CERTAIND00M
      @CERTAIND00M 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@ReaveIdono Cool, I'm guessing you don't play tank.

    • @ReaveIdono
      @ReaveIdono 8 місяців тому +1

      @@CERTAIND00M I play all 3 roles actually. Tank is my 2nd highest play time behind Support. It's just that I understand strategy enough to not instantly swap if I see the team go Sym/Mei when I'm playing DVA. I just use map geometry/high ground more often depending on what my team is playing.

    • @CERTAIND00M
      @CERTAIND00M 8 місяців тому

      @@ReaveIdono Taking on one tank requires MORE strategy than taking on two? Sure thing, buddy.

    • @ReaveIdono
      @ReaveIdono 8 місяців тому +1

      @@CERTAIND00M Yes. Because Teo tanks limit your options and force you to play clumped together. It's like you didn't play OW1 lol.

  • @SynKyller
    @SynKyller 8 місяців тому

    I stopped playing this game when the omni tank came out. Saw the video let me look at it. Seeing NO tank not even in A? Oh thats troubling. Let me continue Watching the video...

  • @realfishscience7842
    @realfishscience7842 8 місяців тому

    Reaper should be higher cus he enables other tanks in my experience but yeah good vid

  • @khele2k
    @khele2k 8 місяців тому

    his is definitely a diamond or higher Tier List. Gold and below they don't focus the Mercy and she'll keep almost any tank alive or pocket a forgiving DPS like Soldier or Bastion and team kill everything. I think streamers and UA-camrs too often forget that 80% of the people watching their videos can't relate to these lists because that's not how the game is played at their ranks. It's not Overwatch, it's team deathmatch with endless dumb mistakes.
    I'm just glad Blizzard doesn't ignore casual players. After all we're the ones buying all their skins.

  • @paulvenn4447
    @paulvenn4447 8 місяців тому

    That's cool and all bro but down in metal ranks people swap/pick to the absolute opposite of what is needed

    • @_korbo_
      @_korbo_ 8 місяців тому

      "Ugh the enemy mccree and soldier and illari are really annoying, I'll pick phara to hit them from the skies"
      Haha I can imagine someone thinking that.

  • @DesignatedHealer
    @DesignatedHealer 8 місяців тому

    I would personally move ram up a tier, but then again, I am a gold/low plat. My opinion ain't worth much lol.

  • @dimitris4661
    @dimitris4661 8 місяців тому

    Great video

  • @tailgrowth
    @tailgrowth 8 місяців тому

    This is the least enjoyable season in the entire game. Tank is an absolute garbage fire of a role and is completely miserable to play. And the queue times for every other role is too long. This game isn't fun to play anymore at all.

  • @Villainnnn
    @Villainnnn 8 місяців тому

    I’m concerned that the devs didn’t acknowledge the issues that the tank role is experiencing. Nerf supports, remove passives and let’s fix the tank role.

  • @assassith
    @assassith 8 місяців тому

    First and foremost, props to you for being one of the only content creators to put Reaper at the bottom of the DPS list. However, I feel he should be no where near Sombra on this list as many of the reasons you put her in C tier are just skill issues (which are going to be natural when talking about a freshly reworked hero no one has had time to properly learn). I feel Reaper should be placed at the bottom of the *entire* list because not only are his counters meta, but he is incapable of doing consistent damage like the other heroes because of his incredibly short range. Meaning, all of the Supports are able to out heal any damage he does beyond 5m which makes him less useful than even Reinhardt who still has firestrike for finishing low health kills (same with winton).

  • @AlexFrank02
    @AlexFrank02 8 місяців тому

    No way you are putting my girl Ashe in b tier she is the epitome of poke damage and she keeps enough distance to effectively counter the turret meta

  • @marcusbullock2753
    @marcusbullock2753 8 місяців тому

    I don’t care about doing a lot of damage I just care about helping my team and giving them space to do whatever. I do like to have the ability to CC though.

  • @masterchiefyoumind
    @masterchiefyoumind 8 місяців тому

    Was playing Sigma and the enemy team burned his shield in seconds

  • @KicsiNao
    @KicsiNao 8 місяців тому

    So funny seeing this list, especially Mercy being the lowest rank support while SVB's big DPS debate was all about crying how too op Mercy is... Ah yes, classic DPS players...

    • @ironman1458
      @ironman1458 8 місяців тому

      No way people are still crying about Mercy

  • @quantrellh.4939
    @quantrellh.4939 8 місяців тому

    Ive been trying to tell people that this rework is much worse than her old kit. As he said, hackijg a tank is damn near useless unless youre hacking a doom or ball. You can flank but she punishes people who are out of position. If they are all huddled up, youre not killing anyone! Her damage isnt enough and healers are too strong for her to melt someone.
    Also, she has that delay of coming out of stealth before she hacks, which can suck if they are together. Better off with the old hack 30% damage boost kit than this!

  • @allofthat_ow6635
    @allofthat_ow6635 8 місяців тому

    Winston/rein player here. It rough out there

  • @nandytogbf2369
    @nandytogbf2369 8 місяців тому

    Damn Symmetra is one of the best dps, what a time we live in now 😂