Mosquito Helicopter going FULL ELECTRIC!? 2023

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  • @Roadstercycle
    @Roadstercycle 2 роки тому +1078

    Being a test pilot for Robinson Helicopter for 30 years and building Tesla powered Ford Mustangs I love the idea. The only issue is that flying for X number of minutes you don't get lighter with fuel being burned off so have have be careful of keeping enough hover battery power left to land safely as the weight does not change.

    • @moteroargentino7944
      @moteroargentino7944 2 роки тому +75

      Yes, that's a burden that electric vehicles will probably have forever. But if some day we develop batteries with more energy density than liquid fuels, they might make up for the weight.

    • @aeroengguy448
      @aeroengguy448 2 роки тому +24

      The Mosquito has great auto-rotation capability, so any engine loss can still be recovered safely.

    • @Roadstercycle
      @Roadstercycle 2 роки тому +74

      @@aeroengguy448 That is great but that's not what I'm talking about. You have to be very conservative on your battery so you have enough power available when doing a normal landing. You need as much hover power in the beginning as in the end as the helicopter won't get any advantage from burning off fuel making the helicopter lighter. Just something that has to be learned. Pilot training is all.

    • @tvguide4khv
      @tvguide4khv 2 роки тому +6

      its still a very good initial training device with ability to emulate different power trains

    • @lightman489
      @lightman489 2 роки тому +5

      @@Roadstercycle that must of been a dream job, and you must of been an very successful pilot maybe even military..I'm not a pilot but I've always observed the pilot throttle back to come down then giving it the throttle and just before touchdown backing off the throttle..I look forward to seeing a hybrid version as well

  • @brianb-p6586
    @brianb-p6586 2 роки тому +74

    I appreciate the specific information about the components and the power information (e.g. 40 kW in hover, and even the motor speed of 2750 RPM). I recognized the Emrax motor design, but wouldn't have been sure of the model without it being stated, and I recognized the LG Chem modules but the confirmation is good. Prototype electric aircraft are often hard to assess without real power and energy data.

    • @legallyfree2955
      @legallyfree2955 2 роки тому +5

      But its easier for them to make up statistics if they don't provide any real world numbers ;) . How can you go and tell your customers you plan to give it a 3 hour flight time if at the same time you tell them there is 30kwh of energy on board and you require 40kw just to hover :P

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 2 роки тому +11

      @@hexad3c1m4l they didn't claim three hours - that was just a sarcastic comment by 'Legally Free'. The endurance is only 20 to 25 minutes, on about 16 kWh.

    • @20-9-93
      @20-9-93 2 роки тому +3

      @@brianb-p6586 top coment

  • @leokimvideo
    @leokimvideo Рік тому +107

    Maybe needs another 15 to 20 years of battery development to be a viable option

    • @LegendLength
      @LegendLength Рік тому +11

      They just need to build a hybrid. Slap a small gasoline generator on there and you can use a tiny battery then.

    • @BoondocTravels
      @BoondocTravels Рік тому +6

      Maybe two years

    • @browntrousersmoment
      @browntrousersmoment Рік тому

      It's interesting how smart phone is progressing...

    • @peachy3143
      @peachy3143 Рік тому

      Fifty years development wouldn’t get me in it

    • @aleroscoychiquita
      @aleroscoychiquita Рік тому +3

      @@LegendLength no hybrids bad for enviroment

  • @heartsky
    @heartsky 2 роки тому +10

    I like how you didn't cut out the engine-off rotor slow down shot and left the entire thing, kind of like a mini meditation, nice.

  • @lukaskopia
    @lukaskopia 2 роки тому +16

    I spoke with Mathew Alborne at Oshkosh this year, I was very excited to see an electric helicopter there. I am so glad that they have a flying prototype now!

    • @ryanlemons3255
      @ryanlemons3255 2 роки тому

      @@psoriasishealth3817 just like snowmobiles in the areas not snowing so much

    • @railroadisolationist5452
      @railroadisolationist5452 2 роки тому

      Shoulda went to that

    • @glory122
      @glory122 2 роки тому

      Matt here. Was a pleasure speaking with you at Oshkosh Lukas. Hoping we can show it flying at next year's event!

  • @Datan0de
    @Datan0de 2 роки тому +43

    I don't think I've ever commented on this channel before, but I would love for you to follow the development of this helicopter! As battery technology continues to improve, I think we're going to see more and more aircraft like this, with steadily improving performance.

    • @munyaelliott
      @munyaelliott Рік тому +2

      Yes this is a great leap. Would definitely be interested in developing something like this although I'm concerned about battery times

  • @afireinside909
    @afireinside909 2 роки тому +21

    I’d love to see a follow up on it! That would be awesome to see the progress!

  • @Martyn0001
    @Martyn0001 2 роки тому +140

    Ideal for flying from one side of your garden to the other!

    • @user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib
      @user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib 2 роки тому +5

      At least they started the project, then they can work on flight time

    • @freedomstar3814
      @freedomstar3814 2 роки тому +4

      Make sure to have an electric charger at each end !

    • @АскеБек
      @АскеБек 2 роки тому +3

      I like green 💚 small electric ⚡ helicopter 🚁

    • @NoobieToob
      @NoobieToob Рік тому +9

      It might be useless to you who uses his truck to travel to other side of town to buy some meth and groceries but as a large farm owner I can use this to get to different parts of the farm, to check up on things.

    • @Martyn0001
      @Martyn0001 Рік тому +5

      @@NoobieToob I touched a nerve there I think.

  • @HeliEnthusiast
    @HeliEnthusiast Рік тому +2

    This is exactly how we fly our RC helicopters. Amazing that stuff can apply to a full-size keep going.

  • @MrJoker.420
    @MrJoker.420 2 роки тому +24

    That's so cool man, props to you. Hope you get massive funding so can continue the good work ❤️

  • @EVtripper
    @EVtripper Рік тому +67

    Are you reading my mind? Can I help? Hire Me! You need regenerative braking to slow the blades down quicker.

  • @ransomedavis2208
    @ransomedavis2208 Рік тому +13

    it seemingly can only currently go 1 - 2 foot off the ground aswell, but im loving the potential this is bringing.

    • @pheirphon4680
      @pheirphon4680 5 місяців тому

      Reasons it only hovers/levitate 2 foot is to make sure all components can handle the rotor velocity 😊

  • @yacahumax1431
    @yacahumax1431 Рік тому +34

    Great to see people keep experimenting. Sooner or later a breakthrough in battery technology will come.

    • @bitrage.
      @bitrage. Рік тому +4

      In 10 years we will say in 10 years we will have solid state...😂

    • @drood78
      @drood78 Рік тому +3

      They're making helicopters not battery's.

    • @Karl_Squell
      @Karl_Squell Рік тому +1

      @@bitrage. Actually the Chinese came out with a battery in April that is supposedly able to power airplanes. The company name is CATL if you want to search it up

    • @skip741x3
      @skip741x3 8 місяців тому

      It IS coming..quick charges, light weight and range exceeding a gas equivalant....these are the Holy Grail of the EV industry, that have held it back in times past but are about to be resolved ... this will affect ALL EV's be it aviation ,automotive ect.

    • @denu1879
      @denu1879 7 місяців тому +2

      Sodium Cobalt batteries have been discovered today (24-04-2024) which will allow charges within seconds and doubling that found from Lithium batteries. Let's hope science beings this main stream!

  • @jonathanbailie
    @jonathanbailie 2 роки тому +8

    It's amazing the sound that thing still makes! What an awesome job!

  • @SoirEkim
    @SoirEkim Рік тому +2

    That is exactly the design I love. A gorgeous bit of tech.

  • @kimnesvig254
    @kimnesvig254 2 роки тому +15

    This would get me back and forth from the island. If they can hover for 25 minutes right now, its already capable of making the trip.

  • @wtf2krazy
    @wtf2krazy 2 роки тому +36

    I'm really curious to see what fault tolerance you can work into the Sevcon Gen4, typically they just open the main contactor and drop all power when they fault out which could be sketchy if don't have enough elevation to autorotate. LG chem cells are a great choice for this, really looking forward to future development of electric craft like this!

    • @glory122
      @glory122 2 роки тому +3

      Matt here. That is one of the concerns I had with using this controller. You are somewhat limited with how you want the controller to handle a fault situation. However we did already test it in an auto from about 4 ft and our pilot was able to successfully pull pitch quick enough and counter the tail to have a safe albeit quick landing without any damage.
      The problem I am actually looking at how to address is a temp fault (not requiring a key-switch reset) like an over-temp of the controller (primarily because we are spinning the motor to slow for the power we want, we are a bit too far over the controllers continuous amp rating to the motor), where it will cut back for about 0.5 second and then suddenly re-engage power. This is definitely a new experience for the pilot, where he would be making a tail correction in the auto to keep it from rotation and all of a sudden power is back and it rotates suddenly).

    • @wtf2krazy
      @wtf2krazy 2 роки тому +1

      @@glory122 Glad to hear your auto tests have gone well. EV motor controls are still in their infancy and need projects like this to drive the requirements for aspects like fault handling.
      The Gen4 has a thermal cutback curve, (Figure 12) in the manual if you can dial in the thermal managment to stay under ~75-78C you'll be golden. If the high current draw is intermittent you increase the mass of the heatsink to try and get a little more thermal resistance for those flucutations.
      I'm sure you've looked at the options Curtis has for motor controls, they have better fault communication but I'm not sure if they are better at fault handling.

    • @onebravotango
      @onebravotango Рік тому

      You bring up an excellent point about fault tolerance and the Sevcon Gen4. Ensuring a safe response in case of faults is indeed crucial, especially when elevation might be limited. It's encouraging to see your thoughtful consideration for the technical aspects of electric aircraft development.

  • @charlesmiddleton3247
    @charlesmiddleton3247 2 роки тому +6

    I served in the Marine Corps in aviation during the Vietnam Era. Mostly helicopters where I was. Loved every minute of it being around those flying machines. No fixed-wing for me!!

  • @tomcoryell
    @tomcoryell 2 роки тому +35

    BrYan, the channel just keeps getting better. I really appreciate you keeping us up to date on really cool aircraft.

  • @SonnetGomes
    @SonnetGomes 2 роки тому +10

    This is Brilliant. You guys are going in the right direction. I need these for EVs and Ebikes for now. Killer Motor and controller! Love it.

    • @flexairz
      @flexairz 2 роки тому +3

      They're going backwards? 20 minute flight time..10 hours charge.. batt tech is mature.. its a dead end

  • @saalada
    @saalada Рік тому +1

    Não entendi nada o que ele falou kkkk mas vou fazer um desse ainda.

  • @aussiedigger1441
    @aussiedigger1441 2 роки тому +116

    Sounds just like my rc helicopters but bigger and better! Love to see come to production.

    • @seanconnolly2179
      @seanconnolly2179 2 роки тому +4

      Imagine this flies like a t rex dominator 450 😊

    • @RotoRCol
      @RotoRCol 2 роки тому +7

      @@seanconnolly2179 but for sure not with someone inside to handle all these G's

    • @emotodude
      @emotodude 2 роки тому +8

      @@seanconnolly2179 I wanna see manned tik-tocs!

    • @emusp
      @emusp 2 роки тому +2

      It's a 90s setup. :D

    • @dji.mini.2
      @dji.mini.2 2 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/channels/73p4l5tEZiiuzkv6Gk4U7w.html

  • @LoftechUK
    @LoftechUK 2 роки тому +6

    This is insane. I really like it. It’s so instant power no waiting at all. It’s a way forward definitely

    • @Tier1Norseman
      @Tier1Norseman 2 місяці тому +1

      But for 20 minutes...

    • @LoftechUK
      @LoftechUK 2 місяці тому

      @@Tier1Norseman I know. I get it. But still it’s a start

  • @metime-kw4tx
    @metime-kw4tx Рік тому +1

    3:25 25minutes hoover which means 10min actual flight time then 5hour “refuel” for another 10minutes. Remind me of the days as kid building gocarts. Get them running long enough to get a good bump of the motorized dope.

  • @SF-fb6lv
    @SF-fb6lv 2 роки тому +16

    Really impressive. I like the way they are pushing the tech even though so far the batteries only provide 25 minutes of flight.

    • @bshn10
      @bshn10 Рік тому

      25 minutes at best. y'all are cucks

    • @patrickday4206
      @patrickday4206 Рік тому

      If they doubled batteries could be a short commuter

    • @jebes909090
      @jebes909090 Рік тому

      @@patrickday4206 more batteries = more weight and thus less flight time. so maybe double batteries would increase flight time by 50%, then quad batteries increase flight time a total of 75%

    • @patrickday4206
      @patrickday4206 Рік тому +1

      @@jebes909090 tesla's wireless power then?? 😊 haha

    • @jebes909090
      @jebes909090 Рік тому

      @@patrickday4206 thats the same tech the aliens used in independence day!! Elon innovating as usual.

  • @trytolookbusy
    @trytolookbusy 2 роки тому +11

    THEY ARE REALLY DOING SOME GOOD STUFF THERE!

  • @ostumbling
    @ostumbling Рік тому +3

    You should configure your battery packs in parallel so to have redundancy. If one of your packs goes wrong then the whole thing goes down because you are wired in series. Hope you have a good BMS with plenty of heat regulating mosftes and something to regulate cell balancing etc...

  • @maxfrobisher7849
    @maxfrobisher7849 2 роки тому +39

    This is really exciting to see - so much potential for development. Would love to see a follow up video.

    • @LauRoot892
      @LauRoot892 2 роки тому

      Max 😮

    • @scottmclaughlin5674
      @scottmclaughlin5674 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah, all we need to do now is add 16 times the weight in battery capacity..

    • @farrukhahmad555
      @farrukhahmad555 2 роки тому

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    • @kerrybarnes7289
      @kerrybarnes7289 Рік тому

      unless they can get more out of the battery it has No potential

  • @philip_fletcher
    @philip_fletcher 2 роки тому +57

    This is really good to see - the best innovation seems to come from small companies. I realise you're using the existing airframe but the motor and inverter would sit beautifully just below the rotor (like most turbines), benefiting from a cooling downwash and freeing up space to fit the batteries in a more aerodynamic/inboard position.

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 2 роки тому +3

      While I would put the inverter and the rest of the support package (cooling, etc) below the boom, I agree that placing the motor up there on the shaft from the belt drive pulley to the tail rotor shaft gearbox would free up valuable room immediately behind the mast line, below the boom.
      For those not familiar with the Emrax motors, I'll note that they have a hollow shaft which would facilitate installation coaxially over a shaft, although the bore of the Emrax 228 model is only 17 mm in diameter.

    • @sudeeptaghosh
      @sudeeptaghosh 2 роки тому

      yeah less red tape.

    • @jessie7315
      @jessie7315 2 роки тому +3

      @@julian99051 That would be problematic for autorotation if you had an electrical failure that killed power to both motors.

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 2 роки тому +4

      @@julian99051 separate motors are fine in a radio-controlled toy, but in an aircraft carrying a person they would be an unacceptable (to me) risk, because if high-voltage drive power fails yaw control is lost. It would be okay with sufficient redundancy and a high enough level of design and testing... but this aircraft is not constructed to anything like that level.

    • @77.88.
      @77.88. 2 роки тому

      Are you going to be redundant like magnetos for backup?

  • @wadetyrell
    @wadetyrell 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome seeing technology advancing in new directions.

  • @evmotorsports
    @evmotorsports 2 роки тому +4

    Yes ,any additional info on this build would be awesome . Type and brand of vcu or control unit ,type and brand of bms and details of batteries . Price point of items for conversion would be nice to for others pondering doing their own . Trying to share the info needed to keep the experimentals going!
    Thamks

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 2 роки тому

      They don't want to say (for legal reasons), but the battery modules appear to be LG Chem 16S 1P as built for the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid van; they were available from many suppliers for a while. It shouldn't need a VCU.

    • @evmotorsports
      @evmotorsports 2 роки тому

      @@brianb-p6586 Thanks

  • @voicetube
    @voicetube 2 роки тому +22

    I'd love to see a follow-up! If they can get it up to one-hour flight time that would be a great follow-up!

    • @michaelvoorhees5978
      @michaelvoorhees5978 2 роки тому +1

      It crashed 2 days ago and burned

    • @ContentWizard
      @ContentWizard 2 роки тому +2

      @@michaelvoorhees5978 I'm sorry to hear that :-( Was the pilot okay?
      Hopefully at some time a new version will be built (with longer-range etc.).

  • @eugeniuszsularz8820
    @eugeniuszsularz8820 2 місяці тому +1

    Super zabawka😮

  • @msrandihawk
    @msrandihawk 2 роки тому +7

    Bryan, this is a big step for C-FX. Like he said, the batteries just aren't there yet. They definitely have an interesting concept for sure. Me personally, nothing beats a turbine chopper!

    • @lancedooley7558
      @lancedooley7558 2 роки тому

      They will never get there. Im in commercial aviation. Its funny idiot engineers trying but wasting money.

    • @lp712
      @lp712 2 роки тому +2

      @@lancedooley7558 Ummmmmm yes… they definitely will … wtf are you talking about??Deal with it buddy

    • @lancedooley7558
      @lancedooley7558 2 роки тому

      @@lp712 will never happen. Energy density of fuel is 33x of a junk battery. It will never supercede that and it will never beat law of thermodynamics. Just like this rhetoric of climate change delusion by leftist elitist.

  • @ThalassTKynn
    @ThalassTKynn 2 роки тому +29

    This is a great project, done very well. I look forward to how it develops. Personally I always prefer series hybrid, your battery would effectively become the reserve for if the engine quits, or if you have a sudden power draw for whatever reason. Then the engine can be at its most efficient. It works for trains lol

    • @okgroomer1966
      @okgroomer1966 2 роки тому +3

      But what's the point if we charge the batteries with fossil fuels. What has been accomplished other than making more toxic waist from battery production? I'm just not seeing the benefits of going electric. We can never hope to produce enough electricity with sun or wind, so why bother?

    • @donkihotay5748
      @donkihotay5748 2 роки тому

      @@okgroomer1966 I think Thalass just gave us the point, power train redundancy in the helicopter fixes an imminent danger to life and health...

    • @michaelmaddy278
      @michaelmaddy278 2 роки тому

      Nice looking helicopter, but being all electric would have its drawbacks, range would be affected by head winds, temperature, the draw of instruments, an communication equipment lad well as unforseen weather. To me I don’t think I would want to fly one all electric, I feel the same way about electric cars an trucks, people that have these electric pickups an have tried to tow a trailer ( empty or loaded ) have found out that even being able to tow the range drops significantly an chargers are hard to find an takes a long time to charge them back up if you can find a working charger or one that produced enough wattage to charge the batteries. Electric may provide you with horsepower an instant torque but not the range as of a gas or diesel engine can. Plus their very expensive right now an some have a tendency to catch fire for some reason an the fire burns hotter an is harder to put out than gas or diesel fuel. Maybe in time they can overcome those problems though at my age I may not live to see it. I do wish them luck on their project an that they can get it working.

    • @denniscummings5219
      @denniscummings5219 2 роки тому

      Thalass, gasoline engine plus generator plus fuel added to the already existing batteries and motors would make it so heavy it would get off the ground.

    • @illuminatedperspectives2894
      @illuminatedperspectives2894 Рік тому

      25 MINUTES OF FLIGHT TIME? YOU MAY AS WELL GO BACK TO GAS ENGINES. THIS ISNT PROGRESS THIS IS GOING BACKWARDS LOL

  • @KennedyBaker-u5d
    @KennedyBaker-u5d Рік тому

    It's amazing the sound that thing still makes! What an awesome job!. It's amazing the sound that thing still makes! What an awesome job!.

  • @savneetsinghrairai6823
    @savneetsinghrairai6823 2 роки тому +5

    Wow even in prototype i am loving it .....what a compact setup so smooth...... With more flying time in future i definitely love this concept 😍....... So simple and it's amazing...... Minor changes can do wonders keep it up 👌👌

  • @fairlanewhip79
    @fairlanewhip79 2 роки тому +24

    That’s such an exciting prototype! Obviously the challenge is to extend that runtime and range.. as the battery technology catches up these kinds of aircraft will be such a cool and novel mode of transport for the people who are lucky enough to be involved!

    • @silverdude4668
      @silverdude4668 2 роки тому

      The entire chopper chassis would probably have to be completely remade to encorporate all of the added weight and packaging :/
      Maybe a fundraiser model with the size of a robinson or a little bird?
      But it is a vital step for their developement as a company!

    • @chrishayes5755
      @chrishayes5755 2 роки тому

      modify a glider to an EV and design features to allow it to land vertically. helicopters are very inefficient and should be phased out IMO.

    • @nonconsensualopinion
      @nonconsensualopinion 2 роки тому

      Solid state batteries are difficult to get right but a few companies have made some pretty good progress. Those batteries would really unlock the potential here. High capacity, light, and safe.

    • @illuminatedperspectives2894
      @illuminatedperspectives2894 Рік тому

      25 MINUTES OF FLIGHT TIME? YOU MAY AS WELL GO BACK TO GAS ENGINES. THIS ISNT PROGRESS THIS IS GOING BACKWARDS LOL

    • @SweetLou0523
      @SweetLou0523 Рік тому

      ​@@illuminatedperspectives2894 the first electric cars had a thousand pounds of lead acid batteries and had a range of 20 miles. Look how far we've come from that, and remember that nearly ALL the massive ev advancement has been in just the last 10 years. This is a first gen, essentially prototype electric helicopter. Imagine in just 5 years how much more advanced they will be! Now imagine 10 years!

  • @tahustvedt
    @tahustvedt Рік тому +2

    Very cool! I'd love to be able to play with this. What's the torque percentage indication at hover out of ground effect on a Mosquito and what is max?
    40 kW and 2750 rpm gives 138,9 Nm of motor torque. Sounds like you need lower kv motor to keep running it if you're maxing out the current limit of the controller now.

    • @Riceman-o1p
      @Riceman-o1p Рік тому

      OK sure, thank you father. 🙄

  • @alishanmao
    @alishanmao 2 роки тому +4

    I would take this helicopter any time over all those 4 and tons of motors electric manned drones that are tend to crash one day sooner or later if one motor goes down. this helicopter with conventional system (but electric power) will still do auto gyro landing if motor goes out. the safest and best, most efficient way to fly is helicopter and now we have electric wow. Wish I had money or wish you were hiring, i would love to come and work with you guys :)

    • @jimj2683
      @jimj2683 2 роки тому

      Perhaps the quadcopters are cheaper to make?

    • @dronepilot260rc
      @dronepilot260rc 2 роки тому

      Hopefully they let you test one out 🤓

    • @alishanmao
      @alishanmao 2 роки тому +1

      @@jimj2683 cheaper and easier, thats why everyone goes that way. its just scaled up drones with seats. not safe at all. one rotor has issues and you crash. imagine having a life on board. With this helicopter, it will do auto gyro landing, and if they provide a parachute for whole system that would be even double safe. I would take helicopters any time with eyes closed over those new drones coming out with so much promises but no safety features at all.

    • @alishanmao
      @alishanmao 2 роки тому

      @@dronepilot260rc i would love to, if they allow me to test it. i would even work for them in development team and test pilot :)

    • @Ostsol
      @Ostsol 2 роки тому

      My exact thoughts. I don't trust anything that can't land unpowered.

  • @michaelvadney5803
    @michaelvadney5803 2 роки тому +9

    I would also think that when solid state batteries show up projects like this will really take off.

    • @karezaalonso7110
      @karezaalonso7110 2 роки тому +4

      I see what you did there

    • @jimj2683
      @jimj2683 2 роки тому

      Not really. Solid state will only double the flight time. So it goes from 20 to 40 minutes hover time. But then you have to factor in some margins and you are left with maybe 30 minutes or less depending on usage. That is still useless. A gas helicopter can fly for several hours. Hydrogen fuel cells will be somewhere in between.

    • @michaelvadney5803
      @michaelvadney5803 2 роки тому

      Solid state is much safer and lighter. An Aeros ANT can fly under power for more than an hour. If it had solid state then it would be even more fun

    • @Moosetick2002
      @Moosetick2002 2 роки тому

      @@jimj2683 30 minutes may be fine for many uses. That could move someone 30+ miles. Rarely do helicopters travel for hours on end from point to point.

  • @Threee_Eyez
    @Threee_Eyez Рік тому +1

    Besides what it takes to get the cobalt to build the batteries for things like this, I love it.

  • @SirTools
    @SirTools 2 роки тому +15

    Weight seems to be the issue over all else. Would love to see a follow up :)

    • @lancedooley7558
      @lancedooley7558 2 роки тому +2

      Always will be. Lol

    • @darksu6947
      @darksu6947 2 роки тому +2

      No fat chicks!

    • @wrayday7149
      @wrayday7149 2 роки тому

      Nothing else comes to mind? You know, with the guys head being higher than the rotors. Nothing else strikes you as a concern?

    • @Rose.Of.Hizaki
      @Rose.Of.Hizaki 2 роки тому

      range is also an issue. 25mins is like a trip down the shops for a pint of milk and back.

    • @lancedooley7558
      @lancedooley7558 2 роки тому

      @@Rose.Of.Hizaki 25 minutes is a joke. Thats just hovering let alone going 60mph. 😂😂 This forced green scam is nothing but a scam for carbon credits to avoid taxes.

  • @generalvoltage1821
    @generalvoltage1821 2 роки тому +4

    Yes! Please do a follow up with these guys as they continue to develop. 25 mins in the hover is one thing but do they have numbers for actual point to point which is a bit more efficient. Even 25 mins isn't so bad as a point to point hopper if that suits your mission. Half hour charging is fine because you would never fully drain the battery anyway.

    • @frankyflowers
      @frankyflowers 2 роки тому

      I doubt it gets 5 minutes with a pilot. they even had to edit the seconds long flight and then show a jet powered one. electric airplanes can barely get 20 minutes.

    • @thecloneguyz
      @thecloneguyz 2 роки тому +1

      How do you auto rotate in an emergency with something that has an electric motor with no clutches to disengage the motor from the blades?

    • @frankyflowers
      @frankyflowers 2 роки тому +1

      @@thecloneguyz it looks like the motor powers a belt from the motor to the rotor.

    • @generalvoltage1821
      @generalvoltage1821 2 роки тому

      @@thecloneguyz The drive system is the same arrangement as they use with a piston engine. the belt drive. An electric motor has very low spinning mass and no compression so it may not even be needed to disengage the motor. Or the belt drive has an auto clutch that lets the rotor spin when the motor stops providing power.

    • @generalvoltage1821
      @generalvoltage1821 2 роки тому

      @@frankyflowers The KW draw in the hover and battery capacity seems about right for 20-25 in hover. I assume that's ground effect hover though. They look like Nissan Leaf batteries. Other electric converted helicopters (there is/was a R22 testbed) also got around 20 minutes. They did mention that this is in very early flight test stage so I wouldn't expect them to go far just yet. The Pipistrel Electro 2 seat fixed wing trainer gets one hour flight time plus reserves.

  • @DicipleForJesus
    @DicipleForJesus 2 роки тому +2

    I'd love to know weight limits and about a small payload version and how far down the road that might be?

  • @georgiogorge
    @georgiogorge 2 роки тому +6

    I'd like to know whether they think a separate motor for the tail rotor would be a good idea, particularly if they were clean-sheet designing an electric-only model. How much room for optimization do they think electric motors could allow, if they completely drop provisioning for a traditional drive-train?

    • @glory122
      @glory122 2 роки тому

      Matt here. It's an idea we have discussed. We would be able to cut out some of the losses associated with the splitter gearbox for the tail/main rotor, the driveshaft, and tail gearbox. Main thing holding us back is that this would need it's own motor controller, some sort of redundant battery, and rotary encoders for the pedals. You really really don't want to lose tail rotor authority in a helicopter, so it would need a lot of testing. Currently we are testing the electric power-plant before we start thinking about any changes to our drive-line, which is well proven.

    • @ArneChristianRosenfeldt
      @ArneChristianRosenfeldt Рік тому

      Those tiny model helicopters always have a large gear covering the whole underside of the cabin. I figured that this is the lowest friction solution to get some torque onto the shaft. Hidden from the downwash. Does not obstruct the view. Redundant motors: one in the front, one in the back.

  • @Gavs_rc_hobbies
    @Gavs_rc_hobbies 2 роки тому +5

    It sounds just like some of my radio control helicopters. All you hear is the rotor noise.

  • @PluggedNRossy
    @PluggedNRossy 2 місяці тому +1

    i dont comment often but this is fire

  • @OneNut_Huey
    @OneNut_Huey 2 роки тому +6

    Cool in concept. Maybe someday we'll overcome that whole energy density thing.

    • @limamikeaviation6200
      @limamikeaviation6200 2 роки тому

      It doesn't make sense, just buy a Cabri or R22 and you got a better helicopter today, not in 10 years.

    • @Rockingruvin
      @Rockingruvin 2 роки тому +1

      Much better batteries are on the horizon.

    • @caseysingletary9260
      @caseysingletary9260 2 роки тому +1

      LOL yeah, you know, just buy a $300,000-$400,000 helicopter instead, because you know, the average person just has that laying around 🤣

    • @limamikeaviation6200
      @limamikeaviation6200 2 роки тому

      @@caseysingletary9260 It won't cost less than a piston engine helicopter, it just can't because of the scale economy. Want proof of this claim? Just think about the Pipistrel, the electric version cost more the the piston one. Not the other way around.

    • @caseysingletary9260
      @caseysingletary9260 2 роки тому

      @@limamikeaviation6200 if this kit ever does make it to market, it will not cost nearly as much as a cabri or R22. End of discussion. Toss all the words out you want, that will always be a fact.

  • @nelsonjames4102
    @nelsonjames4102 2 роки тому +4

    These things are perfect for pilot training ☺️

    • @scottmclaughlin5674
      @scottmclaughlin5674 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah, if the school charges by the quarter hour...

    • @mrpumperknuckles1631
      @mrpumperknuckles1631 2 роки тому

      No it’s not good practice… they have simulator cockpits for a reason… a lot of people won’t die this way.

  • @RodrigoSantos-ve7op
    @RodrigoSantos-ve7op 8 місяців тому

    Amazing work guys!!! As an aircraft mechanic I get a little worried about not being able to measure battery temperature , or to control it yet, which would bring some concerns about a safe flight.

  • @scottmiller4711
    @scottmiller4711 2 роки тому +8

    How is the weight different with the battery power vs gas vs turbine?

    • @allencox7949
      @allencox7949 2 роки тому +2

      The electric bird is heavier

    • @SailorDaniel
      @SailorDaniel 2 роки тому

      @@allencox7949 How much heavier? Did the combustion engine version fall within part 104 limits of 254lbs? Does this one?

  • @RCGache
    @RCGache 2 роки тому +7

    Yes, EAC, would love to know more about the future APU (gas motor providing power for an electric motor) option works. Especially would love to know the trade-offs on this type of configuration vs just using battery power plant. In general, would love for you to explore why this type of configuration (APU) works for cars, but why it (seems) to not work in electric aircraft. Thanks for your channel.

  • @Rhaug1111
    @Rhaug1111 2 роки тому +20

    DEFINTELY want to see more follow up on this episode. Any guesses at public release estimates and pricing estimates would be great. Also, with the added weight of either all the batteries or a hybrid style, additional engine/generator, would this aircraft still qualify as an Ultralight according to FAA regulations? The weight was not addressed in this episode.

    • @irvinewayne4086
      @irvinewayne4086 Рік тому

      I suggest you and the video creator not wasting time on battery-powered heli: it is DOA just from the energy density alone. Don't wanna agree with me? The battery can improve with time? There is a limit from a chemical-thermodynamics alone- pretty much like the second law of thermodynamics ruled out any perpetual motion machine.

    • @JD-yx7be
      @JD-yx7be Рік тому

      @@irvinewayne4086 Not the same thing but i've seen powertool batteries like the m18 Milwaukee go from 2ah 300-400 charge cycles with a 400watt output to 6ah with the same sized and weight and 3000 charge cycles and 1800watt output. There is also improvements to the inverter efficiency and weight too to be had.
      I remember going to job sites in the late 90s and it being a spaghetti mess of cords cause the battery powertools just weren't up to the task. Today only the air compressor and shop vac seem to be the only corded tools that are common anymore. That is only cause of increasing battery power/energy density. Idk if it will ever improve enough for a transatlantic flight but there is still much room for improvement

  • @robbennett6053
    @robbennett6053 2 роки тому +9

    I'd love to see this with the torque reduction and a production ready battery pack.

    • @vovanikotin
      @vovanikotin 2 роки тому +1

      I`d love to see utilization battery improvement. Almost noone talks about. All these "green electricity" is bullS without battery utilazion.

    • @JD-yx7be
      @JD-yx7be Рік тому

      @@vovanikotin What is utilization? is that cycle life?

    • @vovanikotin
      @vovanikotin Рік тому

      @@JD-yx7be yes, end of battery life, not simple dump as garbage, but some kind of refactoring battery chemistry to use in other applications, or full recycle

    • @JD-yx7be
      @JD-yx7be Рік тому

      @@vovanikotin I know the newer LFP batteries can last over 3000 charge cycles over the older 300-500 for NCM batteries but they don't have the energy density and don't work as well in colder temperatures

  • @JamesLewis-mp9zn
    @JamesLewis-mp9zn Рік тому +1

    Would like to stay current of your progress. Very interested and an awesome job.

  • @Friedbrain11
    @Friedbrain11 2 роки тому +4

    I built my own batteri\y packs and they worked just fine. I am not an "engineer" but making battery packs and wiring them correctly with the BMS and other requirements is not difficult nor does it require an engineer.

    • @wolfgangpreier9160
      @wolfgangpreier9160 2 роки тому +7

      "nor does it require an engineer" but it helps if you know what you are doing.

    • @emotodude
      @emotodude 2 роки тому +4

      This is a terrible attitude. Battery powered aircraft are no joke. A fiery death like the Siemens tragedy is the worst way to go. Please don't trivialize the risks.

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 2 роки тому +4

      You can make your own packs, but they won't be any more energy-dense than the properly designed modules that they are using, so there's no point.

    • @Anautistictherapist
      @Anautistictherapist 2 роки тому

      Be sure and tell that to John Denver when you see him.

    • @10OZDuster
      @10OZDuster 2 роки тому

      for a full size flying helicopter ? show us a video

  • @iBoogieTM
    @iBoogieTM 2 роки тому +5

    Of coarse we want to see a follow up video on the all electric. Bring them on. I want more flight test content. Higher altitude please.

  • @TheWatchmanNews
    @TheWatchmanNews 2 роки тому +3

    Yea I would like to see the advancements they make on this. That is awesome. Hybrid is the way to go until they come up with a better battery chemistry (or release one anyway). That is so cool! I have been watching the Mosquito helicopters for years on youtube. I don't think I could ever fly one. Ill stick with FAR103 fixed wings. LoL

  • @tvittetoe
    @tvittetoe 2 роки тому

    Love it! I am an aerospace/software engineer/small business owner. I worked for Tesla for 5 years 🤔

  • @galihpa
    @galihpa Рік тому +6

    8:50 I'm impressed that the cameraman isn't afraid of getting chopped up by those blades considering it's still a prototype, anything can happen

  • @ESForgecraft
    @ESForgecraft 2 роки тому +4

    i like how he though it was gonna be a 12 or 24 bolt system haha

    • @RussellD11
      @RussellD11 2 роки тому +1

      LOL, the wires would have to be HUGE...

    • @missingMBR
      @missingMBR 2 роки тому

      @@RussellD11 not only that, 12/24 volt has very little torque, and not nearly enough to drive two rotors capable of lifting a load of mass off the ground.

    • @RussellD11
      @RussellD11 2 роки тому

      @@missingMBR agree, but I think if you "could" pump enough amps through at 12-24V it would have quite a bit of torque.. But agree 100% its not the safest, or best way.. Way too much resistance as well at lower volts...

    • @missingMBR
      @missingMBR 2 роки тому

      @@RussellD11 sorry I got confused there. Voltage is proportional to speed. Current is proportional to torque. So you're absolutely right. You could throw enormous gauge wires at the motor and achieve the same amount of torque. But is it practical, not very, haha.

    • @RussellD11
      @RussellD11 2 роки тому

      @@missingMBR they "may" also find going to AC voltage like the bigger EV cars use, may have some weight benefits, and lower temperatures..Will be interesting to see how this pans out and what they end up using.

  • @KennethStevenson3
    @KennethStevenson3 Рік тому +1

    This electrical Engineer is a smart dude.

  • @daapdary
    @daapdary 2 роки тому +5

    Very cool, love the green color. Based on the rotor blade's shape (like an airplane wing) at 10:45, I'm guessing it rotates counter-clockwise?

  • @berloma
    @berloma 2 роки тому +7

    Great to see an electric helicopter, even that it is a prototype it is a good start. Very quiet and easy to fly as far as I can see. With future improvements on battery density this will be viable. Another idea is to use a Hydrogen fuel cell. That will give a bit longer fly time.

  • @JRose-zn7iw
    @JRose-zn7iw Рік тому +1

    That GREEN though...beautiful.

  • @TeamYankee2
    @TeamYankee2 2 роки тому +5

    Very cool.. you could also use regenerative braking to slow the rotor when shutting down.

  • @staygray6212
    @staygray6212 2 роки тому +4

    Sick as hell. 👍

    • @ExperimentalAircraftChannel
      @ExperimentalAircraftChannel  2 роки тому +2

      And there is more going on there that we didn't capture during this visit. They are also manufacturing their own rotor blades!

  • @tombenson5957
    @tombenson5957 10 місяців тому +2

    The Wright Bros are alive and well

  • @antr7493
    @antr7493 2 роки тому +11

    I love how many people are commenting that it has a short flight time or they have a long way to go. IT"S a prototype folks.
    Calm down

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 2 роки тому +2

      Yes, it's just a prototype. Unfortunately, since the fundamental endurance problem is the weight of the battery, there is not much improvement likely any time soon, even with unlimited development of the aircraft.

    • @antr7493
      @antr7493 2 роки тому +1

      @@brianb-p6586 🤣🤣🤣 your the exact same person that said airplanes, cars and the internet were fads. Oh you probably thought cell phones weren't going to last either 😂🤣😅

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 2 роки тому +1

      @@antr7493 No, I just acknowledge reality. A battery-electric helicopter will work well, with higher battery energy density. Even this one will work well for very short flights, once they fix the drive ratio; it is just a prototype, so that sort of change should be expected.
      By the way, I'm one of the people who gave your post a "thumbs up", but I've taken that away now.

  • @CarbonGlassMan
    @CarbonGlassMan 2 роки тому +4

    I love the idea of a hybrid. Something like the Chevy Volt where the gas engine provides enough electricity by turning the generator. That's also how a diesel electric train works.

    • @jebise1126
      @jebise1126 2 роки тому

      do you know why trains work like that?

  • @Metrofarquhar
    @Metrofarquhar 2 роки тому

    Yes, definitely do a follow up on this fascinating project!

  • @lalehbryanskrenes5692
    @lalehbryanskrenes5692 Рік тому +3

    This is so great! Glad people are working on electrifying things. They should use battery regeneration as a rotor break.

  • @haroldnelson3734
    @haroldnelson3734 2 роки тому +5

    Great prototype! Are there any provisions for cooling air into the battery enclosures? Would it improve the batteries efficiency at all? Air cooling would be readily available (obviously) from the rotor.

    • @LoanwordEggcorn
      @LoanwordEggcorn 2 роки тому +1

      Sort of answered in the video. They're running so low power that active cooling is not needed.

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 2 роки тому

      They are doing nothing about cooling the battery modules, but they could mount them to finned aluminum plates and blow air past them, as a crude cooling system. The face of those modules which is designed to be cooled in the one that they have vertical and facing inward in the side packs; it normally sits on a liquid-cooled plate.
      Without proper control, they may not want more battery cooling. These cells need to be kept within a temperature range for best performance, and while too hot is a problem, too cold is a problem too.

    • @LoanwordEggcorn
      @LoanwordEggcorn 2 роки тому

      @@brianb-p6586 Cooling is not needed due to the low power draw from the battery pack.

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 2 роки тому

      @@LoanwordEggcorn that's what they say, but a continuous 8 kW per module is well beyond the normal service of these modules. They might still be okay.

    • @LoanwordEggcorn
      @LoanwordEggcorn 2 роки тому

      @@brianb-p6586 Agree it's higher power per module than the Chevy Bolt donor vehicle, but it's probably still ok. It's a 3C (3 times capacity) discharge rate.

  • @michaelgreen4537
    @michaelgreen4537 Рік тому

    I love it, great video. Keep up the good work, can't wait to fly one. I've been waiting for years !!!

  • @creightonfreeman8059
    @creightonfreeman8059 2 роки тому +5

    I think if they went with LiPo batteries they could reduce weight...or extend flight time a bit. I think they need more aerodynamic battery boxes as they refine the design; those boxes must create a lot of drag in forward flight, although I'm sure creating lift is eating up more of the battery energy.

    • @pctrashtalk2069
      @pctrashtalk2069 2 роки тому +1

      They might be able to put the batteries in aerodynamic pods that might have less drag.

    • @moteroargentino7944
      @moteroargentino7944 2 роки тому +2

      That's for sure, this is just the first prototype, a "let's put something together with what we already have and see how if works".

    • @nerfthecows
      @nerfthecows 2 роки тому

      They are using a type of lithium ion battery with one of highest energy density of any battery is just a different anode that is better at stacking the electrons. You might be thinking of old Nickle cadmium batter or NiCH much heavier.

  • @noapologizes2018
    @noapologizes2018 Рік тому +6

    I would not venture into EV aircraft rotary or fixed. The power demand of electric motors is enormous. Study the Laws of the conservation of energy with respect to electricity. So far there is no battery capable of storing enough energy for any practical application. Even EV cars of today have limited range and if the user demands more performance, the batteries will drain quicker.

    • @noapologizes2018
      @noapologizes2018 Рік тому

      @throwaway3873 It's a free country, some might say. As of the present, you have the right to make dumb purchases. if you don't already own an EV, go get one. Some people have to learn the hard way.

    • @simmo5071
      @simmo5071 4 місяці тому +1

      Tell that to the bumble bee.

  • @valentinvazquez7074
    @valentinvazquez7074 Рік тому

    Very impressive the amount of sound out of the equation is excellent for stealth work or hunting whit out spooking everything. 👍

  • @straightchad8059
    @straightchad8059 2 роки тому +4

    In it's cuuent form a bit hard to justify buying this helo - charging for five hours to be on air for mere 25 minutes .

    • @caseysingletary9260
      @caseysingletary9260 2 роки тому

      That’s why everyone keeps saying the word “prototype” 🤦‍♂️ It’s just a proof of concept machine, not a ready for market kit. CFX wants to have their electric helicopter ready so that when that Jesus-battery is finally invented, all they have to do is slap it in the Mosquito, program the controller and start selling them 🤷‍♂️

    • @737100200
      @737100200 2 роки тому +3

      You gotta start somewhere!

    • @MaxSupercars
      @MaxSupercars 2 роки тому +2

      The main advantage of electric solution is modularity. If a new battery type or energy source appears, you simply change the batteries and that's it. I think it will start to be interesting by 1 hour endurance. At the current state maybe interesting would be changable batteries. And you can operate the heli like the RC heli models. Of course you can not to affors to fly very far away... 🙂

    • @AdolfTrudeau
      @AdolfTrudeau 2 роки тому

      @@MaxSupercars ya it's that easy, hey are t some ev car batteries like 20 000 ?

  • @richardchildress9031
    @richardchildress9031 Рік тому +3

    DECAPITATION MACHINE

  • @HeliPilot.co.z
    @HeliPilot.co.z Рік тому

    ❤ Geniuses🤝🏾
    Fellous more of you are a need for our Future, well Done Cheps , well Played 🤜🏻🤛🏿

  • @jhaedtler
    @jhaedtler Рік тому +3

    This whole EV crap is just that, CRAP. Cost too much and you can't go anywhere! Wake up people! Electricity is the highest cost propulsion and makes more pollution then any thing else!

  • @hammerhead7344
    @hammerhead7344 3 місяці тому

    Cool!! There should be a parachute attached for emergency safety as well as solar panels to charge battery while in air.

  • @jacobdyer9164
    @jacobdyer9164 4 місяці тому

    Idk about the belt system.
    is it known to slip if you ram up motor on take off?
    Or what if your G force is to high when landing,
    causing the belt to slip due to high motor power to slow down the G force for smoother landing?
    since it is electric.
    does it have a smart system for automatic pilot?
    for easy take off and easy landing?
    Some drones have that feature.

  • @JonCaraveo
    @JonCaraveo 2 місяці тому

    Thats crazy Cool!! 🚁 Wild! 😮 This is great for oil companies and geographers just take it out in the field and fly the thing 😅 so amazing! Lidar and Scanning so cool!

  • @joncollier1934
    @joncollier1934 Рік тому

    I would absolutely enjoy a kit for this!!! You build everything else and just leave the battery to me!

  • @mikekati6226
    @mikekati6226 Рік тому

    Hi, is the tail propeller alone can change the direction of the flight,?if so why we need to change the main rotter attack angle ?.

  • @upul1684
    @upul1684 2 роки тому

    Great work ..congratulations from Sri Lanka

  • @SyAt
    @SyAt 2 роки тому

    Nice to see it make it in the global market and see the feed back...

  • @Coldlegend214
    @Coldlegend214 Рік тому +1

    Man i bet this thing could be glorious with the new CATL batteries that were revealed!

  • @kareemmansour6726
    @kareemmansour6726 2 роки тому

    Fantastic and I'm proud of you indeed 😀

  • @hlaokaboutfightiganimalstun
    @hlaokaboutfightiganimalstun Рік тому +1

    ကျေးဇူးပါဗျာ..။။

  • @nicgilding9952
    @nicgilding9952 Рік тому +1

    I would love to see a follow-up. I am curious if a generator setup like the Chevy Volt or BMW i3's range extender would work well for something like this.

  • @tonsjet09
    @tonsjet09 Рік тому

    very genius and extraordinary, I really salute

  • @wandichanel6622
    @wandichanel6622 Рік тому

    I'm from Indonesia, I'm very amazed to watch this video and I want to see the next video

  • @newbtubetecher
    @newbtubetecher 8 місяців тому +1

    Thats one big fire if it crashes

  • @leachimeel
    @leachimeel Рік тому

    0:35 The way he says Norbert and then realizes how silly it was once he hears it correctly made me lol

  • @HamptonsStreetDoc
    @HamptonsStreetDoc 2 роки тому

    I live on the north fork of Long Island, (NY), work on the south fork, and driving takes 45-55mins, with one of these it’d take me less than 10 mins.
    Take my money!! 25 mins is more than enough to get me to work and normally work 24hr shifts so I could charge during the shift.

  • @ibnubhaktiwchannel
    @ibnubhaktiwchannel 2 роки тому

    Experimen yang sangat inovatif, dibutuhkan teknologi, skill, keberanian dan biaya,..sangat mengagumkan 👍👍

  • @pheirphon4680
    @pheirphon4680 5 місяців тому

    Go same Shaft/Parallel Circuit.
    It is a safer way to charge or produce needed velocity because it is running with the main current power source. For minor or emergency circuit producers, you can thermal or solar charge. But don't forget about the wind turbine charge you are producing with the blades/propellers generating. Small is always better done having nothing. 😊