Secure your privacy with Surfshark! Enter coupon code CutScene for 4 months EXTRA at surfshark.deals/CutScene #ad Did you know that Disney told a little lie about Toy Story 2 getting deleted? Here's what really happened. 00:00 - Intro 03:01 - Straight To Video 08:42 - The Original Toy Story 2 17:17 - Toy Story 2 Gets Deleted 21:56 - Toy Story 2 Gets Deleted... Again 28:05 - Why Did Disney Lie?
11:30 dude this part legit made me tear up. So much raw emotion. Then you completely dunk squealed it with that kinda out of left pocket racially charged denorits cactus impression? I’ve never felt more conflicted in me crunch…
“It’s amazing how one small mistake can domino so quickly” - Luke can’t have known this back when he recorded the line, but this video was released hours after CrowdStrike’s faulty Windows update caused a worldwide outage for hours
@@baffledbrandon3132google it. Theyre responsible for all enterprise windows machines cloud safety and infrastructure. The whole world’s businesses kinda shut off the other day, idk where you’ve been
Even if it wasn't the version that made it to the screen, Susman's work should still be appreciated as this 'saved version' helped to define what the final product should be.
Okay? What else would you call it to convey to the layperson what it means? You people gatekeep everything about linux and then wonder why nobody wants to switch to linux and are intimidated by it. If every time they make an attempt to understand it, you start being needlessly pedantic, then of course they're not gonna bother.
Now the version that was "saved" may have been scraped later but if that version wasn't saved then perhaps the project would have been abandoned completly rather than reworked into the movie we got.
She didn't have it on her own home computer, he said that she had one of the office computers at home. It was on the computer because it was an office computer, so it does make total sense. That computer had all the data the server had until the moment that it was disconnected from the server, that's the only reason it had the movie, because it didn't get the bad code as it wasn't connected to the server.
@@KairuHakubi Oh, and (x) the number of weeks was 2 weeks, presumably 2 weeks was when they unplugged that computer from the server, and she took it home in anticipation for maternity leave
Though the version of the movie Susman saved wasn't the final product, her work still made a huge impact. The loss of the first draft would have probably demoralized the staff, force them to remake modles from scratch, prevented them from doing the rewrite they needed for the final product, and hurt their relation with disney finding out that they comletly lost all their work with no back up.
I’ve known about this for years, it’s still a crazy story. My assumption is that they would’ve still lost the assets for all the characters even if it wasn’t the final version.
Toy Story 2 has always been my favorite movie in the franchise it’s remarkable how Jessie and bullseye became staple characters despite not being in the first outing and I love the hellscape of it’s production
You're right, this wasn't the Toy Story 2 that got released in 1999. That version of the movie that got deleted, was the one that Disney wanted Pixar to put on VHS. It wasn't supposed to be a theatrical release. Pixar pushed for that to happen, but the cut of the movie they deleted wasn't working. So they asked for Disney to delay Toy Story 2's release to fix what was wrong with the film's plot and characters, and they agreed but they only had NINE MONTHS to do it. That must've been a pain in the neck.
@@jordanwright2072 Oh really ? I didn't know that, obviously I remember Doug from it being on Nickelodeon, before Disney bought it and made it their show. I was aware the movie existed, but didn't know it was made the same way as Toy Story 2. Interesting !!
The thing is, they didn’t start from scratch for the next version. If they had only the 10% at the end of the alphabet plus whatever stuff they got from an ancient backup, they would not have been able to make the version we have in the time available.
That sucks! Imagine busting your butt to save a movie, working tirelessly...only to get let go anyway and have the project you saved get erased 🤦🏿♂️. No way
When I first heard about the initial deletion of Toy Story 2, it had me wondering if supposedly saving it was worth it since they started over anyway. This does make more sense
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU it has bothered me to NO end that people keep leaving out this detail. Every time I tell people this additional factor, no one of them have ever heard of it before.
Knowing more about the development troubles the movie went through enhances the movie experience in a way, it's amazing how good they managed to make the movie. But also interesting thinking about other ways it could've ended up.
Disney proved that even in the 1990s they only cared about Mega profits over the quality of their IPs by being obsessed with Straight to Video, In the end it died down because people eventually realise they were being peddled inferior content at massively inflated prices (For official Disney VHS)
Luke, you crush it as a narrator. Your inflections, tone, the way you get across certain story beats-very well done. I def look forward to these vids! And your Wrestletalk Originals. Keep up the great work!
It’s crazy. I was born a year after Toy Story 2 came out. I watched it the most on a VHS at my grandma’s house. So to me it was always a direct to VHS movie.
The sequels that I like is Brother Bear 2, Mulan 2, Pocahontas 2, cinderella 2, The Little Mermaid 2, The Lion King 2, Lady And The Tramp, and The Jungle Book 2
Not all of them, I actually liked Return Of Jafar and Lion King 2 was good. Sure they weren't as good as their original releases, but those are tough acts to follow. It's hard to top what's been done already, when fans expect too much from them.
Is it a white lie or merely an exaggeration of the truth? I feel like the movie would not exist today if it was not for that file saving- it wouldn't have been called not good enough, and likely would have costed many jobs and a scrapping of the Disney deal because toy story 2 wasn't done.
I think in retelling the story we're forgetting one key detail. If Susman hadn't had the backup of the original version, the team would have spent that whole time trying to re-make the story they already had. Imagine they wasted all that incredibly precious time trying to recover a mediocre movie to hit the deadline and never had the time to realize they were doing it all wrong. I don't think anyone is lying in saying that Susman saved Toy Story 2. She managed to give them the opportunity and time enough to rethink the movie and make the masterpiece we all know and love. Although she deserves credit for this, it's unbelievable how diligently the entire team worked in order to pull of that Herculean task. No small order indeed. They all did amazing
You could technically say it's lying by omission, it DID really happen even if they fudged the details. Had she not saved that version, they might not have reached the conclusion they didn't like it. It could've still shaped the movie drastically since they'd have to spend long enough remaking that version that another version might not have been possible.
At a minimum, saving "the movie that was deleted" saved the assets they would need to make the version that was released, or at least base the improved assets on.
Blimey! This was a bloody fantastic piece of research and nostalgia. Brilliant work, Luke! Congratulations, too, on the auspicious and long-awaited return of CutScene - it is well deserved! 👍👏 Grazie mille! Arrivederci, 👋 Giovanni Marino, M.D.🇬🇧🇮🇹
Though Hercules: Zero to Hero doesn't count as it was a spin-off of the Hercules tv-series rather than being a sequel that was the pilot of its TV show.
Between this and the truth behind Foodfight's production, we're getting some great insights into these films that we might've not known if people didn't speak out. It's sucks that Disney hasn't learned their lesson about making cheaper sequels, but then again, it's Disney… _cough_ Moana 2 _cough_
Pixar said it was 9 months, they threw out the old Toy Story 2 (which was the one that got deleted), in December 1998 and changed it to the movie that got released in January 99, which finished in September (two months before the release of it in November).
You're telling me that a multi-billion dollar corporation that has done so much shady stuff and has the worst PR imaginable, would lie to us? That's crazy talk (sarcasm)
I was aware of some of this story, it's true that Disney was making sequels to their pre-existing movies, on VHS in the 90's, because I owned copies of them. I just wasn't aware that they almost did the same thing to Toy Story 2, until years after the movie was already made.
Even if the version she saved was the “home video” version it is still possible that with such a deletion event occurring they may have scrapped the project all together. So it may not have been the version that was in theaters but it still could have been an event that saved the project all together
28:45 I mean. It's not a lie. It happened. If she hadn't saved it. They might have just wrote off the film and cancelled it. Maybe Disney would have then done the straight to video at a cheaper studio instead.
Creativity is best done with backs against the wall and no filter. No time to overthink how things will go. Just like in another argument, Hindsight> foresight.
Sure, anything that involved the story and narrative, such as shots and scene files might've been scrapped from the backup, but they sure as hell used the actual 3D assets later for the final version of the film they decided to go with, saving a LOT of time and money compared to if they had to do them entirely from scratch again, so there was great value in the backup for sure.
Currently, I'm trying to get some of the old back-up workprints that were made for this film. Although, there is a lot more of the story that was not in this video. But that's some other person on the crew's story to tell.
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I actually think this is the real original script for Toy Story 2. One, concept art, shows stills of the the scenes that are accurate to the film. And for two, recently, a still of the the original movie reserved on a toy Story instagram account with the original new Buzz, and he looks described as is in the script.
LUKE: There’s every chance it is the real deal. But I asked around and couldn’t get confirmation, so didn’t want to publicly state on a video that it is real 😅
“Cause you lied about religious views, you lied about your surgery You lied about your accent and your past tense, all is perjury You lied about your ghostwriters, you lied about your crew members”😂😂😂
Mine wasn't the last, I think the last VHS of a new Disney movie my family owned was Lilo and Stitch. We sfarted getting DVD's around the time when The Lion King was re-released on DVD for the 10th anniversary of it, because my grandmother bought it. She was a huge Lion King fan.
Great job on putting this video together, Luke! My family and I had been looking forward to this! It is so awesome and brilliant to see CutScene make a huge return! Thank you for sharing!
There were no Pixar sequels between Toy Story 2 and Cars 2. What happened? Before Cars 2, Pixar movies were produced by Pixar and distributed by Disney according to their partnership deal, and as established by what happened with TS2, Pixar was obligated to make original movies, sequels wouldn't count. When that deal came to an end, Pixar was interested in maybe partnering with a different studio, and Disney realized they couldn't let that happen when... Eisner? Iger? realized that all the most popular characters at Disney Parks were Pixar characters. Now, as stated in the video as part of the deal, Disney owned the characters. So they impressed upon Pixar leadership that if they left, Disney would have to make a Toy Story 3 without them. Which would not be as good as the TS3 that Pixar would've made. Maybe they would even ruin the characters on purpose. Suddenly Pixar was at the bargaining table, and as a result, Disney was able to buy out Pixar. They immediately announced a sequel to the movie with the best merchandise sales, Cars, and plans for sequels to many other Pixar movies that they could now order employees to make where partners could have refused. Toy Story 3 took a few more years, but I'm sure that's because the team wanted to make sure it was perfect.
I really like the idea of a group of collector toys that has an almost religious idea of being enlightened and "pure" compared to other toys that get played with by kids. If they ever revisit the idea of toy collecting in a future movie, I'd love to see that idea brought back and explored in more depth. I mean, it would be easy to just portray the collector's toys as wrong - but I'd love to see the movie genuinely explore both sides. Collector's toys do last longer compared to toys that get played with by kids and then tossed aside with permanent physical damage, if not outright destruction. And hey, if they find meaning and personal fulfilment in their sense of being pure and untouched, closer to some kind of Platonic ideal of being a toy and/or some kind of godlike figure, then who are the other toys to say that they're wrong? But on the other hand, maybe some of them are missing out on a broader range of enriching experiences they could have by being played with, exploring the outside world, etc. Plus, many of the collector's toys would probably be rather arrogant and full of themselves, looking down on other toys and seeing them as inferior, and maybe interacting with Woody and the gang could help them to see the benefits of being a little more grounded and recognizing that they're all just toys at the end of the day. And that's all just off the top of my head. I think a movie that shows the pros and cons of both perspectives without trying to make one seem like the "good guys" and the other seem like the "bad guys" could be really interesting.
@@thing1thing2themediamaniac43 it gives Molly a decent introduction and rapport building with her new toys as we can't determine how much time has passed since the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th. However the story was about Andy and his adventures.
This movie is a damn miracle. It sucks that we can't see the deleted cut tho, like not some "synder cut" stuff, just to see what they finished before they scrapped the entire thing.
As much as I love this movie, one thing that really bothers me is that we're supposed to believe that Woody SHOULD go back to Andy and leave 3 other toys to rot in storage, which, if Jessie's PTSD is anything to go by, sounds like a fate worse than death. Oh, but he should still do it because at least it's better than letting one kid come home sad.
29:47 This applies to ANY form of fictional media. It's why GoT/SoFAI season 1-3 were so good, why certain video games are so much more memorable than others, even crossing over to genres of video games simply due to this fact. Story is key.
I don't know why or when, but I have known for about 20 years that the story that was saved was not the story given on screen. Also, I hope everyone got some fat cheques and well deserved vacations
@@normanclatcher yeah, I'm religious myself but I've always steered clear of any religious fanatics who misconstrue the word of the lord to justify hatred, violence or prejudice, that is not the way of christ.
So glad you're back! I recently thought how I missed you doing those small essays. Now I see this and it immediately made me smile, haha. Thanks, Luke!
No wonder the direct spinoffs sucked XD They never landed well in our houshold. This really explains why. WHO put it together VS who took credit vs WHO put out what themselves vs from others AS theirs.
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Did you know that Disney told a little lie about Toy Story 2 getting deleted? Here's what really happened.
00:00 - Intro
03:01 - Straight To Video
08:42 - The Original Toy Story 2
17:17 - Toy Story 2 Gets Deleted
21:56 - Toy Story 2 Gets Deleted... Again
28:05 - Why Did Disney Lie?
Wow, they almost lost it.
More than meets the EYE
I don't think Pixar was even with Disney back then ...
11:30 dude this part legit made me tear up. So much raw emotion. Then you completely dunk squealed it with that kinda out of left pocket racially charged denorits cactus impression? I’ve never felt more conflicted in me crunch…
I love the thought of the collector's toys immediately rejecting him just because he lost his hat. That's perfect.
NO dude; don’t say that please
Hell nah!
@@swisserty Ignore the BS
@@zacktyler2810 dude im trying my brother, its just truly hurting me
“It’s amazing how one small mistake can domino so quickly” - Luke can’t have known this back when he recorded the line, but this video was released hours after CrowdStrike’s faulty Windows update caused a worldwide outage for hours
nah Luke knew he did it
What's CrowdStrike?
I had the video paused, and just as I hit play I scanned the comments with my eyes and read your comment just as he said it.
@@baffledbrandon3132google it. Theyre responsible for all enterprise windows machines cloud safety and infrastructure. The whole world’s businesses kinda shut off the other day, idk where you’ve been
Crowdstrike is the name for the company that created the faulty Microsoft update.@@baffledbrandon3132
Even if it wasn't the version that made it to the screen, Susman's work should still be appreciated as this 'saved version' helped to define what the final product should be.
Like Doug's 1st Movie?
@@jordanwright2072 Never seen that one.
@@timrob12 Never?
@@jordanwright2072 Nope. I watched the TV show, but never the movie.
@@timrob12 Oh.
hearing a terminal command being referred to as "one line of code" over and over makes me die inside ngl.
FACTS lol.. as if any real line of command in a Linux terminal is one line lol
ditto…
But bash is turning complete!
IKR.
Okay? What else would you call it to convey to the layperson what it means?
You people gatekeep everything about linux and then wonder why nobody wants to switch to linux and are intimidated by it. If every time they make an attempt to understand it, you start being needlessly pedantic, then of course they're not gonna bother.
...okay, honestly, now knowing the deletion story involved the _original_ version of Toy Story 2, that explains a lot.
Like the original version of Food Fight!
Now the version that was "saved" may have been scraped later but if that version wasn't saved then perhaps the project would have been abandoned completly rather than reworked into the movie we got.
Probably gets cancelled or maybe they still do it but a different version not as good as the one we have
yeah that's still a heroic save, even if ultimately it didn't make it in.
Exactly. It's not Sussman's fault it got re-worked. She still saved the day.
no bonnie, no forky. Toy story is a big deal even for toddlers today i bought my son the best toy story I could and they are in bed with us now
They woulda started trying to remake it. Then realize it sucks but couldn't change it cause they ran out of time
it always felt so weird to me that she had a full backup of the entire movie, on her home computer... and that the studio itself.. didn't.
I don't think the story was that she had a complete backup
@@WreckItRolfe it said a full copy only X weeks back, I forget how many weeks, but enough to recreate the 80% destroyed movie
She didn't have it on her own home computer, he said that she had one of the office computers at home.
It was on the computer because it was an office computer, so it does make total sense.
That computer had all the data the server had until the moment that it was disconnected from the server, that's the only reason it had the movie, because it didn't get the bad code as it wasn't connected to the server.
@@KairuHakubi
Oh, and (x) the number of weeks was 2 weeks, presumably 2 weeks was when they unplugged that computer from the server, and she took it home in anticipation for maternity leave
@@-Gax- oh she took the entire computer home. okay that's different.
Though the version of the movie Susman saved wasn't the final product, her work still made a huge impact. The loss of the first draft would have probably demoralized the staff, force them to remake modles from scratch, prevented them from doing the rewrite they needed for the final product, and hurt their relation with disney finding out that they comletly lost all their work with no back up.
I’ve known about this for years, it’s still a crazy story. My assumption is that they would’ve still lost the assets for all the characters even if it wasn’t the final version.
Everything in life is an absolutely incredible when you dig around it.
Toy Story 2 has always been my favorite movie in the franchise it’s remarkable how Jessie and bullseye became staple characters despite not being in the first outing and I love the hellscape of it’s production
You're right, this wasn't the Toy Story 2 that got released in 1999. That version of the movie that got deleted, was the one that Disney wanted Pixar to put on VHS. It wasn't supposed to be a theatrical release. Pixar pushed for that to happen, but the cut of the movie they deleted wasn't working. So they asked for Disney to delay Toy Story 2's release to fix what was wrong with the film's plot and characters, and they agreed but they only had NINE MONTHS to do it. That must've been a pain in the neck.
Same with Doug's 1st Movie.
@@jordanwright2072 Oh really ? I didn't know that, obviously I remember Doug from it being on Nickelodeon, before Disney bought it and made it their show. I was aware the movie existed, but didn't know it was made the same way as Toy Story 2. Interesting !!
Yeah i also saw the video
And it was awesome in the end.
@@mrjaman3752 Yes, but this information about Toy Story 2, was already known before this video was made. You're just now, finding out about it.
The thing is, they didn’t start from scratch for the next version. If they had only the 10% at the end of the alphabet plus whatever stuff they got from an ancient backup, they would not have been able to make the version we have in the time available.
That sucks! Imagine busting your butt to save a movie, working tirelessly...only to get let go anyway and have the project you saved get erased 🤦🏿♂️. No way
Culinary be like
uhm, she got let go decades later
It wasn’t the Toystory 2 that was released but, they didn’t know that when the one that she saved was deleted.
When I first heard about the initial deletion of Toy Story 2, it had me wondering if supposedly saving it was worth it since they started over anyway. This does make more sense
I actually never knew about the Toy Story 2 “incident”. Very interesting stuff. Thanks Luke!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU it has bothered me to NO end that people keep leaving out this detail. Every time I tell people this additional factor, no one of them have ever heard of it before.
I actually didn’t even know about the first deletion story, so this was a wild ride for me!
Keep up the stellar work! ❤
SULLIVAN AS STINKY PETE IS A WHOLE ASS VIBE!!!!
I was kinda expecting him to be Señorita Cactus 😂 but Blair was great!
Video actually starts @3:00
Knowing more about the development troubles the movie went through enhances the movie experience in a way, it's amazing how good they managed to make the movie. But also interesting thinking about other ways it could've ended up.
I know right, it’s genuinely the best Disney sequel, set the bar high for Pixar
the poor animation crew… probably didn’t get correctly compensated.
I've never actually ever seen any Toy Story after the first, I really should go through and watch them
Keep in mind, Toy Story 2 is better than Toy Story 3
Watch (Toy Story 2&3) and Stop there. (Toy Story 4) was unnecessary.
@@CaptainCat101Toystory 2 is my all time favorite Toystory movie.
@@crashban4t.f.s.b783 Toy Story 2 is my favorite Pixar movie
Yes they are all good.
*Only reads the title
I knew Bullseye couldnt have kept up with an accelerating airplane on foot!
We owe Susman credit either way. Without her the movie could’ve been lost.
I was so sad to head that she got laid off last year.
May she bring her talents at a place that won't discard her just to save a few bucks.
Disney proved that even in the 1990s they only cared about Mega profits over the quality of their IPs by being obsessed with Straight to Video, In the end it died down because people eventually realise they were being peddled inferior content at massively inflated prices (For official Disney VHS)
Luke, you crush it as a narrator. Your inflections, tone, the way you get across certain story beats-very well done.
I def look forward to these vids! And your Wrestletalk Originals.
Keep up the great work!
It’s crazy. I was born a year after Toy Story 2 came out. I watched it the most on a VHS at my grandma’s house. So to me it was always a direct to VHS movie.
Those direct to vhs disney sequels sucked
The sequels that I like is Brother Bear 2, Mulan 2, Pocahontas 2, cinderella 2, The Little Mermaid 2, The Lion King 2, Lady And The Tramp, and The Jungle Book 2
Not all of them, I actually liked Return Of Jafar and Lion King 2 was good. Sure they weren't as good as their original releases, but those are tough acts to follow. It's hard to top what's been done already, when fans expect too much from them.
I was happy to see a " Atlantis 2", even though it was watered down so badly that it was technically a alternate dimension .
@@Mikewee777 And it was supposed to be an entire tv series. It's just the tv series clips rearranged into a movie 😂
@@moocowbees that explains so much.
Is it a white lie or merely an exaggeration of the truth? I feel like the movie would not exist today if it was not for that file saving- it wouldn't have been called not good enough, and likely would have costed many jobs and a scrapping of the Disney deal because toy story 2 wasn't done.
I don't think viewers understand the shrewdness of the 5 original picture deal. That's diabolically proactive.
i just realized disney now is doing exactly what they did 20 years ago, making nothing but sequels...
I think in retelling the story we're forgetting one key detail. If Susman hadn't had the backup of the original version, the team would have spent that whole time trying to re-make the story they already had. Imagine they wasted all that incredibly precious time trying to recover a mediocre movie to hit the deadline and never had the time to realize they were doing it all wrong. I don't think anyone is lying in saying that Susman saved Toy Story 2. She managed to give them the opportunity and time enough to rethink the movie and make the masterpiece we all know and love. Although she deserves credit for this, it's unbelievable how diligently the entire team worked in order to pull of that Herculean task. No small order indeed. They all did amazing
The entire movie animated in 7 months...yea at that point, if I was an animator, I'd leave the planet
Seeing Luke in a Toy Story video is like seeing your teacher at the grocery store.
You could technically say it's lying by omission, it DID really happen even if they fudged the details. Had she not saved that version, they might not have reached the conclusion they didn't like it. It could've still shaped the movie drastically since they'd have to spend long enough remaking that version that another version might not have been possible.
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At a minimum, saving "the movie that was deleted" saved the assets they would need to make the version that was released, or at least base the improved assets on.
Blimey! This was a bloody fantastic piece of research and nostalgia. Brilliant work, Luke!
Congratulations, too, on the auspicious and long-awaited return of CutScene - it is well deserved! 👍👏
Grazie mille!
Arrivederci, 👋
Giovanni Marino, M.D.🇬🇧🇮🇹
disney redeeming themselves after firing the one who saved toy story 2 is like finding a needle in 2763 stacks of hay
Is that a decision you think that is fine?
@@Thomasmemoryscentral no because it is impossible finding a needle in a haystack
"2763" is that a BFDI reference?
That is oddly specific.
Pixar: "We just didn't know how to go about it without sacrificing Quality"
Disney: "That's the best part: you don't!"
Though Hercules: Zero to Hero doesn't count as it was a spin-off of the Hercules tv-series rather than being a sequel that was the pilot of its TV show.
By that logic, Stitch: The Movie and Leroy and Stitch don’t count either.
Or the Aladdin sequels
Between this and the truth behind Foodfight's production, we're getting some great insights into these films that we might've not known if people didn't speak out. It's sucks that Disney hasn't learned their lesson about making cheaper sequels, but then again, it's Disney… _cough_ Moana 2 _cough_
That's the power of determination you telling they worked soo hard they were able to complete toy story 2 in just 7 months ?
Pixar said it was 9 months, they threw out the old Toy Story 2 (which was the one that got deleted), in December 1998 and changed it to the movie that got released in January 99, which finished in September (two months before the release of it in November).
You're telling me that a multi-billion dollar corporation that has done so much shady stuff and has the worst PR imaginable, would lie to us? That's crazy talk (sarcasm)
I hate to admit this, but I did not know of that story.
I was aware of some of this story, it's true that Disney was making sequels to their pre-existing movies, on VHS in the 90's, because I owned copies of them. I just wasn't aware that they almost did the same thing to Toy Story 2, until years after the movie was already made.
Great stuff Luke. Happy to see cutscene back.
Keep up the good work
Thanks! Please share it everywhere!
Susman still deserves a job at Pixar for life for her work on saving the original verison. Because they used that to polish up the new one
Even if the version she saved was the “home video” version it is still possible that with such a deletion event occurring they may have scrapped the project all together. So it may not have been the version that was in theaters but it still could have been an event that saved the project all together
28:45 I mean. It's not a lie. It happened. If she hadn't saved it. They might have just wrote off the film and cancelled it. Maybe Disney would have then done the straight to video at a cheaper studio instead.
Creativity is best done with backs against the wall and no filter. No time to overthink how things will go. Just like in another argument, Hindsight> foresight.
I know I'm not the only person who theorized that Jessie's former owner was "really" Andy's Mom.
Sure, anything that involved the story and narrative, such as shots and scene files might've been scrapped from the backup, but they sure as hell used the actual 3D assets later for the final version of the film they decided to go with, saving a LOT of time and money compared to if they had to do them entirely from scratch again, so there was great value in the backup for sure.
Ironically Toy Story 5's premise is the the toys struggle against cell phones....so not so far from the supposed original version.
Currently, I'm trying to get some of the old back-up workprints that were made for this film. Although, there is a lot more of the story that was not in this video. But that's some other person on the crew's story to tell.
LUKE: You're right, there is so much more to this story. And I look forward to hearing more about it if/when it does eventually come out!
If you’re taking video suggestions, something like “Failed Movies that Caused a Franchise Revival” would be interesting. For example: Dragonball Evolution was such a disastrous failure of a movie that it caused the Dragonball franchise to be revived to save its legacy.
I’m so happy that Cut Scene Is back! Tremendous job Luke! There was some things about the story that I was not familiar about for sure!
The lesson of the story is, always steal property from your employers
just learning that two scenes have reused settings from a bugs life is so cool you’d never notice actually watching the film
I actually think this is the real original script for Toy Story 2. One, concept art, shows stills of the the scenes that are accurate to the film. And for two, recently, a still of the the original movie reserved on a toy Story instagram account with the original new Buzz, and he looks described as is in the script.
LUKE: There’s every chance it is the real deal. But I asked around and couldn’t get confirmation, so didn’t want to publicly state on a video that it is real 😅
Sully and Blair's VO work is tops!
“Cause you lied about religious views, you lied about your surgery You lied about your accent and your past tense, all is perjury You lied about your ghostwriters, you lied about your crew members”😂😂😂
The worst part of Toy Story 2 was it set unrealistic expectations for other sequels
I’m pretty sure Toy Story 2 was the last vhs our family had ever bought. After that we were dvd exclusive.
Mine wasn't the last, I think the last VHS of a new Disney movie my family owned was Lilo and Stitch. We sfarted getting DVD's around the time when The Lion King was re-released on DVD for the 10th anniversary of it, because my grandmother bought it. She was a huge Lion King fan.
Attack of the Clones was the last one for me.
The only animated sequel to win a golden globe for best picture
Today I learned LaserDiscs were still being made in the 90s.
Sounds like Sulliy and Blair had fun doing the voiceovers.
Even though she was eventually omitted from the script entirely, it's obvious she had a more normal American accent, bro
I didn’t expect to enjoy a half hour of Toy Story 2 lore as much as I just did
Great video 👍🏾
Aladdin & The King Of Thieves got a theatrical release in the UK & McDonald’s even did a happy meal to coincide with it
I did not know that. That must be a factor in why they eventually bumped up the *Peter Pan* and *Jungle Book* sequels to theaters in the US.
I love hearing stories about what could of been with Movies.
My film teacher mentioned this why you want to make back ups of your videos.
Great job on putting this video together, Luke! My family and I had been looking forward to this! It is so awesome and brilliant to see CutScene make a huge return! Thank you for sharing!
When the story of making a movie could be a movie itself.
I miss the talking from the movie seats but I get that when you own a studio already, you may as well film in there
There were no Pixar sequels between Toy Story 2 and Cars 2. What happened? Before Cars 2, Pixar movies were produced by Pixar and distributed by Disney according to their partnership deal, and as established by what happened with TS2, Pixar was obligated to make original movies, sequels wouldn't count. When that deal came to an end, Pixar was interested in maybe partnering with a different studio, and Disney realized they couldn't let that happen when... Eisner? Iger? realized that all the most popular characters at Disney Parks were Pixar characters.
Now, as stated in the video as part of the deal, Disney owned the characters. So they impressed upon Pixar leadership that if they left, Disney would have to make a Toy Story 3 without them. Which would not be as good as the TS3 that Pixar would've made. Maybe they would even ruin the characters on purpose. Suddenly Pixar was at the bargaining table, and as a result, Disney was able to buy out Pixar. They immediately announced a sequel to the movie with the best merchandise sales, Cars, and plans for sequels to many other Pixar movies that they could now order employees to make where partners could have refused. Toy Story 3 took a few more years, but I'm sure that's because the team wanted to make sure it was perfect.
Disney lied? No way!
So basicly Toy Story 2 is the Smash Bros Melee of animation
Jesus, that contract deal was trash.
"Do all of the work. We keep everything now and whatever you plan to do for the next 30 years."
"Oh and then we're just gonna buy you."
You can tell you're in for something special with the bar-over-face brainrot thumbnail
27:37 YOU’RE TELLING ME THAT *ONE* CREEPYPASTA WAS REAL?
I’m late but please explain or link?
I really like the idea of a group of collector toys that has an almost religious idea of being enlightened and "pure" compared to other toys that get played with by kids. If they ever revisit the idea of toy collecting in a future movie, I'd love to see that idea brought back and explored in more depth.
I mean, it would be easy to just portray the collector's toys as wrong - but I'd love to see the movie genuinely explore both sides. Collector's toys do last longer compared to toys that get played with by kids and then tossed aside with permanent physical damage, if not outright destruction. And hey, if they find meaning and personal fulfilment in their sense of being pure and untouched, closer to some kind of Platonic ideal of being a toy and/or some kind of godlike figure, then who are the other toys to say that they're wrong? But on the other hand, maybe some of them are missing out on a broader range of enriching experiences they could have by being played with, exploring the outside world, etc. Plus, many of the collector's toys would probably be rather arrogant and full of themselves, looking down on other toys and seeing them as inferior, and maybe interacting with Woody and the gang could help them to see the benefits of being a little more grounded and recognizing that they're all just toys at the end of the day.
And that's all just off the top of my head. I think a movie that shows the pros and cons of both perspectives without trying to make one seem like the "good guys" and the other seem like the "bad guys" could be really interesting.
If only Toy Story 4 could have been deleted
I think I'll wait for you story 5 to come out on Disney.
I actually ❤️ Toy Story 4
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@@thing1thing2themediamaniac43 it gives Molly a decent introduction and rapport building with her new toys as we can't determine how much time has passed since the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th. However the story was about Andy and his adventures.
But TS 4 was good.
This movie is a damn miracle. It sucks that we can't see the deleted cut tho, like not some "synder cut" stuff, just to see what they finished before they scrapped the entire thing.
I had the toy story activity center growing up
Great episode, Luke!
As much as I love this movie, one thing that really bothers me is that we're supposed to believe that Woody SHOULD go back to Andy and leave 3 other toys to rot in storage, which, if Jessie's PTSD is anything to go by, sounds like a fate worse than death. Oh, but he should still do it because at least it's better than letting one kid come home sad.
29:47 This applies to ANY form of fictional media. It's why GoT/SoFAI season 1-3 were so good, why certain video games are so much more memorable than others, even crossing over to genres of video games simply due to this fact. Story is key.
"You can't sacrifice quality when making a Pixar movie."
Then Cars 2 happened.
And now i feel really smart as i knew this is actually what happened but not so much the details
I don't know why or when, but I have known for about 20 years that the story that was saved was not the story given on screen. Also, I hope everyone got some fat cheques and well deserved vacations
OMG the script reading was HILARIOUS 😂😂😂
I loved the first season of CutScene. I am happy that it is back.
We'd love if you could share it everywhere!
it's interesting how the original script had underlining themes of religious fanaticism
Subtext. Makes sense to me.
@@normanclatcher yeah, I'm religious myself but I've always steered clear of any religious fanatics who misconstrue the word of the lord to justify hatred, violence or prejudice, that is not the way of christ.
19:53 Version 420, I wonder what caused the deletion. 😅
Nice
So glad you're back! I recently thought how I missed you doing those small essays. Now I see this and it immediately made me smile, haha. Thanks, Luke!
Genuinely fascinating, never knew any of this stuff lol
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The word you're searching for is Space Ranger.
Sounds like Toy story five because they’re losing money so they’re going back to PC and sequels
No wonder the direct spinoffs sucked XD They never landed well in our houshold. This really explains why. WHO put it together VS who took credit vs WHO put out what themselves vs from others AS theirs.