Great job on this video. The only issue I had was figuring out what screws/holes to use in the amp mount plate. I did this kit and the HD14-TKIT amp and front speakers. Yes I cut my bag lids myself. I have no background in doing anything like this. It took me about 5 hours to do the rear and the amp/front. Thanks for producing this video as I would have never attempted this without seeing how simple and straight forward this project was. I now have audio that somehow sounds like I'm wearing head phones going down the road at highway speeds. It just envelops you with crystal clarity. TechnoResearch will be releasing the 2018 update this Wednesday for flashing. Thankfully they worked with me today and got me flashed. Thanks TechnoResearch Support! Thanks Rockford Fosgate!
Thank you tdeloriea for your purchase and thank you for the great feedback so other fanatics can read. I will let our owner's manual writer & video production team know about your feedback on the amp mounting kit. You must be a dealer since you have your own TechnoResearch hardware?
The reason we used black lids on this system early in the video is because we had already cut and installed the 6x9" bag-lid kit on our employee's "Blue Dragon" Road Glide. We wanted to get the video done promptly, and it was going to take too long to acquire another motorcycle. Therefore we purchased another set of factory lids to make the cutouts. Regarding the paint, this is precisely why we over-tape the bag-lid so you DON'T run the possibility of ruining your paint. All our Stage-3 system videos featuring bag-lids use this over-tape technique and the paint on all motorcycles remained un-harmed: ua-cam.com/play/PL-ob-nWq0t1iC5_Q1_uutiNbMoIL7292F.html
Hey guys. Saw your set up at Sturgis this year. I wasn't planning on getting the new 2018 RGS but now that I got it I need your full set up. Great work! I'm looking forward to crystal clear sound like I heard at your tent/booth
Thanks Tdeloriea for stopping by and checking us out. Sounds like the HD14-TKIT would fit your bike for the front fairing and if you have bags, the TMS69BL14 will do the job. If you plan on doing the install yourself, be sure to reduce the bass to minimum during the setup. If you can get the radio re-flashed to flatten that factory HD equalizer that would be best. Since HD technicians are now locked out of that functionality, only select Rockford Fosgate motorcycle audio dealers have the flasher to update the radio. If you have tech questions, be sure to call our support specialists at 1-800-669-9899 8am-5pm MST and they'll be able to answer your questions.
@Montoreous Nolen IKR..Iwatched another video where the guy did this installation and never showed the bag after completed. ..i have to splice this video where this vid shows but doesn't let u hear....WTF?
Great Video. I wish you had video of the finished product/lids installed form different angles with close ups of the lids opened and closed !! The only video of the installed speakers is on the table at the 11:54 mark.
Thanks for your feedback Gogocheez. We have some additional finished views in the photo carousel on our product page: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/tms69bl14
Hi,, Great work and results!,, i have bought the same system but used one,, it came without saddles bag mounting screw,, the screws that fitted on grill, ring and speakers baskets,, kindly cany you please provide me the screw specs,,,
I just ordered these about a week ago they should be here in a day or so hopefully I can get them installed this weekend the only thing in worried about is how to get the radio reflashed
That's great Rocco, and thank you for your purchase. Since factory H-D® technicians are now "locked out" of their own firmware, we sourced and have been selling the Centurion Audio flasher directly to Rockford Fosgate Motorcycle Audio dealers that enables them to bypass that factory EQ setting. If a local dealer does not have the flasher, a pretty good alternative is turning the BASS all the way down, which takes out a majority of that +26dB boost that H-D® programs into the radio. This will let you add aftermarket amplifiers like the TM400X4ad to get louder and minimize the risk of blowing up your speakers.
Does the bag leak after install? I know the speaker are marine grade. I'm wondering if they leak afterwards or is there anther part that can be installed to may installed to seal the bag back up?
The bag-lid uses a 3-part seal that prevents water intrusion into the bag itself. There's a gasket on the underneath of the grille, gasket on the bottom bezel, and the compression interlock between the two pieces once you tighten everything down.
Hi Rafael, Thanks for your inquiry. We definitely have Biketoberfest (Daytona Beach, FL - Oct. 18-21) on our calendar so the Rockford Fosgate staff will be on-site and we'll have Motorcycle Certified partners doing installation and service updates. We have Daytona Bike Week on the radar, but we're still working out details on what capacity we'll be on-site for that event. We keep our Facebook and Newsletter up to date with event details, so keep your eye on those.
Just bought a 2018 Street glide standard. Would this kit work on it as well? Also curious about water on the rear speakers. Is the inside of the bag still water tight?
Hi Robert, sorry for the late reply as I was confirming with our installer this will indeed work with 2018 Street Glide bags. However, they are not compatible with the Power Lock Kit option because the hardware conflicts with the grille assembly. Assuming the speakers and grilles are installed correctly, there should be no water intrusion issues. We actually did demos at Sturgis pouring water thru the grille and the speaker "punched" it right out.
Technically it's possible, but realistically you really won't hear them while riding. This kit is designed to interface with an existing Rockford Fosgate Stage kit like the HD14-STG2: rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/hd14-stg2/
So dumb question, what’s the difference beteeen the BL9813 versus the BL14 kit? Is the lid mounting bracket different? Apparently I have a 9813 kit on the way to me and I have a 2020 bike.
Darin Miller, Shape of the baglid itself requires a different grille, retainer ring and template. They are not interchangeable. 2020 bikes require TMSBL14 kits.
Use a T45 Torx to loosen the 2 bolts for the fuse box. This will give you enough room to route the harness through. Once the harness is pulled through, reinstall the fuse box.
Just watched the video, what about removing the saddle bags after installation? am I required to pull out the grommet every time? whats the life expectancy of that grommet being pulled out and shoved back in repeatedly?
There is a quick-disconnect for removing the bag lid. However, if you'll be removing the ENTIRE bag assembly from the bike, you'll need to fish the harness and grommet through. The grommet uses a custom molded high-density rubber (not your typical rubber grommet) so it will stand up to the abuse of being removed and reinstalled.
The length of wire from the rubber grommet to the quick disconnect is only 6". The rubber grommet is a high-density rubber that has a large flange on the outside (weather side) and a smaller flange on the inside (cargo side), making it easier to pop the grommet off and fish it through quickly.
just installed these on a 14 flhx and I couldn't agree more. the flaw with this design is the length of wire from speaker to connection. connection should be made outside of bag with weather tight connector. fishing a grommet through your bag everytime for removal is nonsensical.
why do you leave the amp in the 2 channel position ? the Harley radio has 4 channels. I did not see any water protection for the speakers is that built into the grills ? thx
Great question James B! Most users only have a front audio system so we suggest the switch be set to 2-channel input. If you previously have a tour-pak or an aftermarket radio with front/rear outputs, then you can definitely switch the amp to use a 4-channel input and tune the front & rear channels separately. The bag lids are water proof ... we use the term "Element Ready" which is a combination of protection from both UV rays and water.
The Rockford Fosgate rear audio (bag lid) kit utilizes an all-new Power Series 6"x9" speaker engineered from the ground up, specifically for motorcycle applications. If you're comparing to other kits on the market, ours is specifically engineered for road and highway use and is Element Ready so it can withstand UV rays and moisture without the fear of degradation. In other words, its not another off-the-shelf speaker slammed into a lid kit.
Hopefully someone there will get back to me on this? As there are so many Harleys out there with soft leather saddlebags. Do you have kits for these soft leather saddlebags? Company that did used to make these went out of business, here is your chance to step it up and make some serious coin Rockford!!!!!
Good Morning Dan, unfortunately we don't currently have any provisions for soft (leather) saddlebags. We do however have a couple options for bikes with fairings and a bluetooth adaptor for those without a radio.
I sold my bike with the speaker rear lids and buy a new bike 4 weeks ago. Removed the rockford speakers and would like to install to my new bike but don't have the template saddlebag lid make a new hole. Where can I find a new templates? Thanks in advice
We use fine tooth blades made for metal and wood. We only recommend these since they are a bit more forgiving and you quickly don't end up in trouble as with using a large tooth cutting blade.
?What settings or changes do I need to make to the Amp if I’m adding the saddlebag speaker to my already installed Rockford Fosgate front kit? More importantly was should be my amp settings for the Rockford Fosgate front and rear (saddlebag kit) 2018 Road Glide special
Great question Casper 2k! First, thank you for looking to Rockford Fosgate for your bike. Since you already have the HD14-TKIT for the front, you're using the TM400X4ad amplifier. You'll keep the INPUT SWITCH at 2-CH since flashing the radio only supports a left & right output, but you can balance this front/rear issue with the gain controls. Set the REAR GAIN to 12:00 o'clock that will run the bag-lids, then start the FRONT GAIN at 12:00 o'clock and slightly lower it until you have a good balance between the front & rear speakers. The gain may end up around the 11:00 o'clock position. Keep both EQ settings to MINIMUM. If you *do not* have the radio flashed, you'll need to do that so you don't blow-up any of the speakers. For more info on flashing, refer to this advisory: rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215
@@rockfordfosgate In the video you say set the gain at the 2:00 position, and here you say 12:00? Wouldn't I also start at the 2:00 position then lower one to balance? I'm installing both fairing and bag speaker kits and want the proper setting the first time. Thanks
Hi @@joeblow5102, since the video was released we have updated the recommendation from 2:00 down to the 12:00 o'clock position since several customers were blowing speakers when they were running them at full output for 20 mins to hours at a time. Here are the latest tuning sheets for the amplifier. Since you're using the rear baglids, you'll reduce the front down to 11:00 to balance the system. Harley-Davidson 1998 - 2013 Models rockfordfosgate.app.box.com/file/336667382522 Harley-Davidson 2014+ Models rockfordfosgate.app.box.com/file/410746702413
Hi guys looks super cool, I bought a used street glide and there's a harness I see. by the gooseneck, and speaker wire under the seat, I think the previous owner had a system. how would you suggest I see if the speaker wires work before I cut into the bags or will they work without an amp?
Hi Michael, sorry we missed your commend earlier. The Rockford Fosgate saddlebag system comes with all the wiring as we recommend to use these for the quick-releases. We would recommend looking under the fairing to see what type of amplifier is already there. It needs to be able to produce 50W minimum to 100W optimum RMS or it likely won't be enough power to hear them properly.
It depends on what kit you have. If you have the Gen-1 HD14-TKIT with the previous "2-speaker upper fairing" flash, then leave it in 2-CHANNEL INPUT. If you have any of the newer Gen-2 kits (Stage-1, Stage-2, Stage-3) with the "Rockford Fosgate 2014+ All Bikes" flash, switch it to 4-CHANNEL INPUT
I have 2003 electra glide ultra classic with the touring pack and rear speakers. If I'm already using the four channels is there any other options to add this kit?
Yes, I can actually ship you a rear Y-Adaptor at the amplifier where you can run the TourPak and Baglid speakers off the rear channels (it will be 2-ohms, which the amp is stable to). Please contact me at ce@rockfordfosgate.com and remind me of our discussion with your complete shipping address.
Hi Thomas, those components are included in the TMS69 bag-lid kit. Unfortunately we don't sell those pieces separately as they are attached to the wiring harness. We custom tooled the grommet. The quick disconnects are mini waterproof connectors.
Hi Rockford Fosgate, As the Factory Head Unit/Nav system is such a P.O.S I'm upgrading to a Sony XAV-AX5000 which is 4x22W RMS. Im considering adding the HD14-TKIT and the TMS69BL14 at some point in the near future. Can you tell me what I can expect in order of audio improvement and will I be able to utilise the 4ch option on the TM400X4ad. I'd love to be able to hear a system installed in a bike first, however as I'm in Australia this may not be so easy for me as there are no dealers in my area. Cheers Graeme.
Well it's significantly louder as we custom build the TMS speakers included in the HD14-TKIT so sound their best around wind, road, and exhaust noise (they are not car audio speakers). In order to use the 4-channel output of the radio, you'll simply set the input switch to accept a 4-channel input instead of 2-channel input.
I ordered these along with the front fairing speakers and amp kit today. I'm really excited to get these in my bike! I was wondering, if the radio needs to be flashed prior to, or after the speakers and amp are installed?
It doesn't matter, you can test the system at low listening levels to make sure everything is fine, just don't turn it up or you will blow your speakers.
I have a 2017 Ultra Limited and was wanting to put 4 speakers up front and four in the rear. My question is...can I remove the tour pack and everything still work or is that even possible?
You can certainly do that because the TM400X4ad amplifier included in the HD14-TKIT front audio kit will accomodate 4 speakers (2 per channel.) However, you'll be doing some major modifications to the harnesses. It would be worth purchasing both the front audio kit (HD14-TKIT) and the baglid kit (TMS69BL14) so you can modify the harnesses and do the installation at once.
So the only difference on the wiring harness I initially bought with my HD9813SG-TKIT and the one that comes with this kit is the pigtail and quick disconnect? If so, can I simply order that pigtail alone if I choose to go that route? Also, do I keep my amp in the 2 channel setting even though I'm running the 2 front speakers that came with my HD9813SG-TKIT? Great video by-the-way, thanks
Hi Jose, yes the wiring harness supplied with the Bag Lid kits replace the rear harness from the front TKIT using a molex connector. This harness is not available separately, but is included in the Bag Lid kit containing the cutout templates, grilles, and speakers. The 2ch/4ch switch is for how many inputs you are feeding the amplifier, not the outputs, so it should stay at 2ch in.
Rockford Fosgate - when I go to an authorized dealer, what exactly do I need to ask them to do as far as flashing the headunit goes? Alot of the dealers around me arent real familiar with the harley sound system?
Great point! I know several dealers that have 1 motorcycle specialist on staff, and they are typically in the installation bay (not up-front answering questions). This should give them the hint you know what you're looking for: "Hi, saw on Rockford Fosgate's website that you have a TechnoResearch flasher for Harley-Davidson motorcycles. Can I speak to someone who can help me get my radio flashed?" Then when you're talking to the right installer... "You're familiar with flashing the radio to [2 Speakers - Upper Fairing / 1 Amp] to flatten out the EQ?" This will ensure they know exactly what you need.
I already had the radio flashed for the front HD-14 Rockford kit. And I just added the rear lid speaker kit. Do I need to flash it again for the added rear speakers. And do I need to run the 4 channels of the Amp now instead of the 2 that it’s on currently. Thank you
Sorry for the late reply. Once you have the "Rockford Fosgate 2014+ All Bikes" flash, you're good to go. If you have an existing front/rear TMS audio system with the TM400X4ad, you'll have Y-Adaptors included in the original kit to use on the amplifier outputs to take advantage of the rear baglids. If you only have a front fairing TMS audio system, the baglid speakers connect to the rear outputs of the amplifier. Look at our complete installation videos for info on the integration side. Keep in mind, Stage-3 kits utilize the TMS69BL14 baglid speakers, so you'll be looking for "Stage-3" videos: ua-cam.com/play/PL-ob-nWq0t1iC5_Q1_uutiNbMoIL7292F.html
@@rockfordfosgate hey I actually called you guys the day I installed them which is the day I made the comment. And spoke to a nice guy who walked me through the amp settings. And I’m able to hear music on 2 channels. But 4 channel only the fronts work. Also I’d like to get more base out of the sound. Any trick to that ? The amp settings. Are the same since the installation of the front hdt14 kit. Even after I put the back in.
@@christopherhash2737 Great! Yes, Steve and Forrest are super guys! If you have the HD14-TKIT (1st generation kit) you'll need to keep the input switch on 2-channel input because that harness only supported a left/right signal input. This should still produce output on all 4 channels. If this doesn't work, double check the INPUT SWITCH to make sure it's fully engaged. The 6x9" speakers should add quite a bit of bass to the system. If this isn't enough, aside from adding 2-3 notches of bass on the radio, you'll need a subwoofer. Luckily, we launched a brand-new sub kit today. You can find more information at rockfordfosgate.com/featured-products/2014-hd-subwoofer-system/
Hey guys, quick question: I have the Stage 2 kit on my 18 LTD and am interested in installing the bag lid speakers too... At around the 2:46 min mark of this video you mention having to replace the existing harness with a new harness as part of this kit. Does that new harness support both the tourpack and bag lid speakers as well as the front speakers, so all 6 speakers are working at the same time?
Hi Guys, I purchased the kit and the harness essentially connects the bag lid speakers to the AMP via either the open rear slot on the AMP, or if you have tourpack speakers installed already (like I do), you can use the Y-Adapter from the main unit to connect to the AMP and then connect both the bag lid speaker and tourpack speaker harnesses to that. I installed the speakers and wired them last night. Not too bad. Tonight going to remove tank/front fairing and run the harness up and make that Y-Adapter connection. Then make sure the AMP is set properly and test/tune system. The fit and finish on the components is great and the wiring into the bags is minimal and doesn't interfere w/any moving parts based on how RF secures the grommet in front of the connector inside the bag. Thanks for a great add-on product for my bike!
Great videos. I am waiting on the HD 14-TKIT and TMS69BL 14 packages to arrive. I have a 2018 SGS and I can't wait to hear how it sounds. My question is on the second video, you changed your amp from 4 channel to 2 channel after installing the bag speakers. Why?
Hi Gregory! You actually found an inconsistent statement with the 1st video that was recorded prior to us recommending to properly FLASH 2014 and newer bikes. At 22:36 of the Front Audio Kit video, it incorrectly states "Move the Input Switch to 4-Channel". It should say "Move the Input Switch to 2-Channel" ua-cam.com/video/xS23XfoMMx8/v-deo.html On all 2014 newer bikes, we recommend getting the radio flashed to utilize the "2 Speakers - Upper Fairing - 1 Amp" setting. You can see our advisory regarding the flash here: rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215/kw/harley
On 2014 and newer motorcycles, flashing the radio to eliminate the EQ only allows for a 2-channel output from the factory radio. You can balance the front/rear speakers by cutting the gain on the amplifier on whichever one you feel is louder (front or rear) until a balanced sound is heard. Once you balance it, you'll likely never need to adjust it again.
It bares repeating, as it seems counter-intuitive, even though you are running 4 speakers, you leave the switch in the 2 Ch setting. I glossed over this (which was indeed covered in the video) and paid the Harley dealer another $168 for an hour of labor when they were flashing it to troubleshoot why I wasn't getting sound out of my new rear speakers (they couldn't figure it out either). Took it home and took it apart and just for the heck of it switched it to 2 CH and voila, sound! DUH!
Thanks for sharing your experience. Yes, the 2CH/4CH switch is used to determine how many INPUTS are used to drive all 4 outputs of the amplifier. When set to 2CH INPUT, a single left input drives both LEFT FRONT/LEFT REAR channels and a single right input drives both RIGHT FRONT/RIGHT REAR channels. When set to 4CH INPUT, each input drives it’s corresponding output. In this instance, we’re using a single left and single right to drive all 4 outputs.
Hi Chris, is this for the Roar to the Shore rally? Our sales staff replied we may have someone there, but the crew is focused on Sturgis before making additional plans for Sept, Oct & Nov.
The video was good easy install for someone with no experience who likes to work on own bike pretty easy did everything exactly in video everything was working fine for maybe 3 months and then the right speaker went out then bought some other 6x9 's that one blew out too on same side don't y maybe u guys could explain.
O.K. thank you for that information. We're assuming you installed this with the Rockford Fosgate HD14-TKIT for the front part of the audio system, correct? If so, is the amplifier's remote turn-on wire connected?
O.K. Thank you for that information. Speakers burn up due to excessive power to the driver. I've created a checklist of things to verify below. Feel free to contact our support group at 1-800-669-9899 to see if we can get those speakers replaced under Warranty and if you need any clarification on the below checklist: - FADER: If you have front/rear fader control, then it appears the wrong flash was applied to the system. Fading to the rear attenuates the front speakers. Subsequently turning the volume up will will apply more power to the rear speakers in order to achieve the same perceived output level. - CROSSOVER: Be sure to set to HP on both Front & Rear Channels. Make sure the frequency is set between 200Hz and 250Hz. - EQUALIZER: on both front/rear set to minimum. - INPUT LEVEL: varies depending upon your primary source. Was the CLEAN setup used? If not, the Input Level on both front/rear could vary between 12:00 - 2:00 o-clock. This is based heavily on what you're using for your source input. If you're using a USB drive to load music, then you have a "hotter" signal going into the amplifier, so you would be at a less sensitive setting like 12:00. If you're using Bluetooth to wirelessly connect, this will be a lower signal going into the amplifier, so you would be slightly more like 2:00 o-clock. Our CLEAN setup procedure is available here: rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1126 - BAG LID CLEARANCE: Be certain the bags are not packed to the top. We suggest at least 2" clearance so there is at least some airspace for the speaker's motor to circulate air around the voice coil. See this advisory: rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1322
Hi jamesfitch1, we just released 2 Road King kits at SEMA last week. I don't have shipping ETA yet, but it's definitely worth checking out. I'll be posting detailed photos of the amplifier bracket once we get the production model in marketing for photography. 2014+ Road King www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/hd14rk-stage2/ 1998-2013 Road King www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/hd9813rk-stage2/
HI Tony, all our bag-lid kits come prewired for connection to a Rockford Fosgate TM400X4ad 4-channel amplifier. If you wanted to use the J&M amplifier, you'll need to modify the input harness to make this work. The TMS69 speakers that come in the kit are rated to handle up to 100 Watts RMS, so you'll want to plan accordingly on how you setup the rear channels of the J&M amplifier. The speakers have a great frequency response so you'll have great sound regardless of the amplifier used.
The bag looks exactly like the 2014 and newer models, so although we haven't installed specifically on a 2017 Ultra, the TMS69BL14 looks like the kit you'd need. Special note that they are not are not compatible with the Power Lock Kit option because the hardware conflicts with the grille. The TMS69BL14 kit is designed specifically for use with the Rockford Fosgate HD14-TKIT (or HD9813ST-TKIT or HD9813RG-TKIT) front audio kit. The kit harnesses are wired for a front/tour-pak setup or a front/bag lid setup, but not all 3. You will be modifying the harnesses. However, the amplifier is stable to 2-ohms, so if you want to run the front channels to the fairing, and the rear channels to both the Tour-Pak and Bag-Lids, the amplifier will handle it. Again, you will be modifying the harness and re-tuning the rear channels to properly setup the amp.
No, the only parts available separately are the amp wiring kits: 98-13 Bikes: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/rfkhd9813 2014+ Bikes: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/rfkhd
Sorry we're just now seeing this ... Yes, all connectors interface with the factory wiring using the Deutsch connectors. On 2014+ H-D motorcycles, we highly suggest getting the radio flashed so you don't launch any speakers into the next galaxy with H-D's ridiculous EQ curve.
The TM400X4 and the M5-800X4 amplifiers are capable of being bridged into a 4Ω load and are rated to produce 200 Watts x 2 and 400 Watts x 2 @ 4-Ohm Bridged respectively.
We only sell the kit as a complete unit. Included in the kit are 2 grilles, 2 trim rings, 2 speaker adaptors, 2 cutting templates, and 2 6"x9" high performance 2-way speakers.
Hey guys, I have both the fairing and bag speakers installed, and today on my ride home my rear left speaker went out. There is little to no sound coming out of it....checked connections and everything but no luck. All three other speakers sound perfect. Any ideas?
Hi Jacob, what model year bike is this? Where did you set the Gain/Bass/Crossover on the amplifier? What are the Bass and Treble settings on the radio?
Rockford Fosgate 2014 Street glide special. The gain/bass/crossover were all set just how you guys recommended on the video, was flashed at temecula Harley, and bass and treble are set right in the middle after flash.
O.K. great! Sounds like you have all the right setup. Please call our customer support with a copy of your receipt for a replacement speaker. The Baglids are suggested to have at least 2" minimum clearance so they get proper ventilation... the more clearance the better.
Rockford Fosgate - Just a quick question, I purchased both the front and rear kits, and at the end of this video you said to keep the amp in the "2ch" mode. I just wanted to ensure that was accurate since I would have "4" speakers?
Good question Matt! Yes, we suggest 2-channel input on the amplifier because FLASHING the radio only allows a 2-ch. output from the radio. This is to get rid of the factory H-D® EQ on 2014 and newer models. To learn more about flashing the radio, we have a couple links that are helpful: 2014+ Harley-Davidson® Radio Flash rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215 Authorized Dealers that can flash your radio rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1344
Rockford Fosgate when I go to an authorized dealer, what exactly do I need to ask them to do? Alot of the dealers around me arent real familiar with the harley sound system?
@@rockfordfosgate Have to disagree. With front fairing speakers and rear speakers, you would flash the Head Unit for Zero Amps /Four Speakers in order to gain fade control and 4 speaker outputs. What 2 speaker channels are you going to use for the amp?
@@johnspencer2931 We only suggest 1 Amp / 2 Upper Fairing flash as this is the only one that totally removes the EQ curve. All other flash variations include the EQ to some degree. The INPUT SWITCH would then accept a left/right (2-ch) that would drive all 4 output channels. You can set it up however you want, but this is our recommendation for not blowing up speakers.
@@rockfordfosgate I'm having my radio flashed tomorrow, I currently only have 2 fairing speakers but plan to add 2 more rear speakers soon. I was planning on flashing to no amp, 4 speakers, fairing and rear pods. Do you not recommend this? What is your advice?
These are not designed for use with H-D® Power Lock Kits. You can see details on the installed lids here: rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/tms69bl14/
The mounting adaptor is custom designed for the Rockford Fosgate TMS69, and is not a "universal" fit adaptor. The TMS69BL14 and TMS69BL9813 come as a complete kit; grilles, adaptor ring, cutout template, wiring harnesses and speakers. The TMS69 included in the kit scream and have a custom tuned frequency response tailored around road, wind, and exhaust noise.
Yes, we have it spec'd for the following models that utilize the factory equipped hard-shell bags do not have the PowerLock system: - Harley Davidson® Road Glide® (1998-2013) - Harley-Davidson® Electra Glide® (1998-2013) - Harley-Davidson® Street Glide® (2006-2013) You can read more about the system here: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/tms69bl9813/
Hi Dantae, Our bag-lid kits are supplied with the speakers because they match perfectly with our fairing speakers and are designed specifically for motorcycle applications. We measured the wind, road, and exhaust noise on Arizona highways up to 75 MPH, then tuned the 6x9" so you could actually hear the music over the noise. They are also Element Ready, so they are impervious to water, UV rays and dust.
Hi fsas05, our sales rep for the territory said that Motorcycle events are a moving target, so we don't have anything nailed down yet. However, we have a couple great dealers in WI. What area do you live in?
@@fsas05 I would suggest House of Harley-Davidson. They are a direct Rockford Fosgate dealer and a partner in a show end of last year, so they know Motorcycle Audio: House of Harley 6221 West Layton Avenue Milwaukee, Wisconsin (414) 282-2211
The Bag Lid kits for both the 2014 or newer models and the 1998-2013 models were designed specifically for the Rockford Fosgate TMS69 2-way motorcycle speaker. A pair of these speakers are included in the kit. We cannot guarantee fitment with any other speaker due to differences in various 6"x9" basket sizes.
Excellent video.....looking for ship in the metro Phoenix area that could take care of all this for me.....any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks JD Downes! We would suggest Buddy Stubbs, they have two main stores in PHX and ANTHEM at www.buddystubbshd.com/. The only additional advice we have is be sure to get the radio flashed to eliminate that H-D EQ curve or turn the BASS all the way down. This will ensure the longevity of your equipment.
The TM400X4ad amplifier goes inside the fairing and is only H1.6 x W4.3 x D8.3 (in.). You can learn more about the complete audio installation on Rockford Fosgate's Motorcycle Audio Playlist here: ua-cam.com/play/PL-ob-nWq0t1iC5_Q1_uutiNbMoIL7292F.html
Yes, the TMS69BL14 bag lid speakers will fit those bags. However, it's not a complete kit and will need to be retro-fitted to an amplifier and amp wiring kit. You can read more on the bag-lid kit here: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/TMS69BL14/
The TMS69 speakers included in these kits are specifically built for motorcycle audio, they are not a repurposed "car audio" speaker. We measured the frequency response of the motorcycle itself, wind noise, exhaust, and tire noise on Arizona roadways up to 75 MPH. We determined a consistent pattern of the frequencies being drowned out, so we tailored the response to bring out the best in various music types under these conditions.
@@MillyMill0224 For rides up to 150 miles, the Perewitz is great. For rides up to 200-250 miles, the factory models are adequate. For 300+ mile tours, we recommend stepping up to the factory King/Queen models. Hope you find a good seat that fits your riding style!
Hi bperez71, these have been shipping for the last 3 weeks, but quickly sold out during Sturgis. You can pre-order on our website to reserve your set when more hit the warehouse at: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/tms69bl14
I already have a 4 channel amplifier... will this be an issue? Can i just order the kit without the speakers? ETA when they are expected to be back in stock at the warehouse?
You can use the rear channel from the 4 channel to power these, so that shouldn't be a problem. The 6"x9" is sold separately as the TMS69, but the TMS69BL14 retrofit bag lid kit ships with grilles, adaptor plates, and 6"x9" speakers. I just checked with sales and it sounds like they will be in stock within 1-2 weeks.
When will this kit actually come with a cable disconnect for each bag. If we can’t take the bags off after the install to wash I’d be pissed. That’s a lot of money to spend on poor cable design.
Joe Mully You can! At 12:35 you can see the quick disconnect for the saddlebag wiring. We put the quick disconnect on the inside the saddlebag to ensure that no slack or loop catches the drive belt.
@@jjjmully Yes it will! At 6:30 our new Road King video (exact same saddle bag kit) you can see where I pull the quick-disconnect through the hole and attach the saddlebag: ua-cam.com/video/ExnZK4_UzFs/v-deo.html
That is correct. Early models were fiberglass and we do not recommend this kit due to complaints about fitment. Since this video, we've made improvements to the baglid cutting template and you no longer need to remove the hinge hardware.
I have a 2013 FLHTK, with fiberglass saddle bags, so you're saying that this TMS69BL9813 is NOT compatible? By the looks of numerous videos I've seen on UA-cam, etc., it looks like you can use the template. I am probably having these professionally installed.
@@daveritz18 We do NOT recommend this kit for your Ultra Limited with fiberglass bags. Although we have had customers say it did work, we have also had a fair share of customers say the speaker clamping system did not fit properly due to thickness variations of the fiberglass. Early on, after we released this product, we updated our recommendation to plastic bags only, since the material thickness is consistent. Unfortunately, we no longer recommend fiberglass bags.
It's difficult to convey the loudness and clarity of an audio system through a microphone. Alas, here's one that is pretty decent: ua-cam.com/video/mqIbydF35iw/v-deo.html
I should have read the comments, who cares how easy the install may be if it sounds like shit. And you did not provide a before and after sound clip? I understand the real sound probably wouldnt come through, but you can still tell alot from a before and after using the same PC speakers. - Bad move
Hi Doug, like many Harley enthusiasts, motorcycles are not purchased by watching UA-cam videos alone, right? Rather they experience the bike by riding their buddy's or actually stopping by a Harley-Davidson dealer to test drive one. High performance audio systems should be reviewed in person, where you can *experience* the clarity and loudness. We'll be Biketoberfest, Sturgis, and many other motorcycle events throughout the year, and we'll be happy to show off any demo bikes on site. You can also use our dealer locator to find a Motorcycle Audio dealer (motorcycle wheel icon) near you at www.rockfordfosgate.com/dealerlocator
Thanks for your feedback, we get mixed comments about the background music. Know that we have listened and stepped up our production quality from 2017 (the year this video was made).
Great job on this video. The only issue I had was figuring out what screws/holes to use in the amp mount plate. I did this kit and the HD14-TKIT amp and front speakers. Yes I cut my bag lids myself. I have no background in doing anything like this. It took me about 5 hours to do the rear and the amp/front. Thanks for producing this video as I would have never attempted this without seeing how simple and straight forward this project was. I now have audio that somehow sounds like I'm wearing head phones going down the road at highway speeds. It just envelops you with crystal clarity. TechnoResearch will be releasing the 2018 update this Wednesday for flashing. Thankfully they worked with me today and got me flashed. Thanks TechnoResearch Support! Thanks Rockford Fosgate!
Thank you tdeloriea for your purchase and thank you for the great feedback so other fanatics can read. I will let our owner's manual writer & video production team know about your feedback on the amp mounting kit. You must be a dealer since you have your own TechnoResearch hardware?
Love the way they use unpaired bag lid and to not show how easy it can be to eff up your paint.
The reason we used black lids on this system early in the video is because we had already cut and installed the 6x9" bag-lid kit on our employee's "Blue Dragon" Road Glide. We wanted to get the video done promptly, and it was going to take too long to acquire another motorcycle. Therefore we purchased another set of factory lids to make the cutouts. Regarding the paint, this is precisely why we over-tape the bag-lid so you DON'T run the possibility of ruining your paint. All our Stage-3 system videos featuring bag-lids use this over-tape technique and the paint on all motorcycles remained un-harmed: ua-cam.com/play/PL-ob-nWq0t1iC5_Q1_uutiNbMoIL7292F.html
Hey guys. Saw your set up at Sturgis this year. I wasn't planning on getting the new 2018 RGS but now that I got it I need your full set up. Great work! I'm looking forward to crystal clear sound like I heard at your tent/booth
Thanks Tdeloriea for stopping by and checking us out. Sounds like the HD14-TKIT would fit your bike for the front fairing and if you have bags, the TMS69BL14 will do the job. If you plan on doing the install yourself, be sure to reduce the bass to minimum during the setup. If you can get the radio re-flashed to flatten that factory HD equalizer that would be best. Since HD technicians are now locked out of that functionality, only select Rockford Fosgate motorcycle audio dealers have the flasher to update the radio. If you have tech questions, be sure to call our support specialists at 1-800-669-9899 8am-5pm MST and they'll be able to answer your questions.
I think you should've let us hear the sound once you were finished
Thanks for your feedback. We have audio from a freshly installed system from Sturgis here: facebook.com/rockfordfosgate/videos/10155408961770853
@Montoreous Nolen IKR..Iwatched another video where the guy did this installation and never showed the bag after completed. ..i have to splice this video where this vid shows but doesn't let u hear....WTF?
Great Video. I wish you had video of the finished product/lids installed form different angles with close ups of the lids opened and closed !! The only video of the installed speakers is on the table at the 11:54 mark.
Thanks for your feedback Gogocheez. We have some additional finished views in the photo carousel on our product page: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/tms69bl14
Your videos inspire me to work on my bike myself rather than taking it to the dealer
Thank you for your feedback, Carl!
Hi,, Great work and results!,, i have bought the same system but used one,, it came without saddles bag mounting screw,, the screws that fitted on grill, ring and speakers baskets,, kindly cany you please provide me the screw specs,,,
I just ordered these about a week ago they should be here in a day or so hopefully I can get them installed this weekend the only thing in worried about is how to get the radio reflashed
That's great Rocco, and thank you for your purchase. Since factory H-D® technicians are now "locked out" of their own firmware, we sourced and have been selling the Centurion Audio flasher directly to Rockford Fosgate Motorcycle Audio dealers that enables them to bypass that factory EQ setting. If a local dealer does not have the flasher, a pretty good alternative is turning the BASS all the way down, which takes out a majority of that +26dB boost that H-D® programs into the radio. This will let you add aftermarket amplifiers like the TM400X4ad to get louder and minimize the risk of blowing up your speakers.
Does the bag leak after install? I know the speaker are marine grade. I'm wondering if they leak afterwards or is there anther part that can be installed to may installed to seal the bag back up?
The bag-lid uses a 3-part seal that prevents water intrusion into the bag itself. There's a gasket on the underneath of the grille, gasket on the bottom bezel, and the compression interlock between the two pieces once you tighten everything down.
If I attend Daytona Bike Week or Bike toberfest also at Daytona do you have reps. that can install these speakers for me?
Hi Rafael, Thanks for your inquiry. We definitely have Biketoberfest (Daytona Beach, FL - Oct. 18-21) on our calendar so the Rockford Fosgate staff will be on-site and we'll have Motorcycle Certified partners doing installation and service updates. We have Daytona Bike Week on the radar, but we're still working out details on what capacity we'll be on-site for that event. We keep our Facebook and Newsletter up to date with event details, so keep your eye on those.
Just bought a 2018 Street glide standard. Would this kit work on it as well? Also curious about water on the rear speakers. Is the inside of the bag still water tight?
Hi Robert, sorry for the late reply as I was confirming with our installer this will indeed work with 2018 Street Glide bags. However, they are not compatible with the Power Lock Kit option because the hardware conflicts with the grille assembly. Assuming the speakers and grilles are installed correctly, there should be no water intrusion issues. We actually did demos at Sturgis pouring water thru the grille and the speaker "punched" it right out.
Hey guys !
What if will use this speakers without Amp? Only with stock radio of my 2018 Street Glide special?
Technically it's possible, but realistically you really won't hear them while riding. This kit is designed to interface with an existing Rockford Fosgate Stage kit like the HD14-STG2: rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/hd14-stg2/
So dumb question, what’s the difference beteeen the BL9813 versus the BL14 kit? Is the lid mounting bracket different? Apparently I have a 9813 kit on the way to me and I have a 2020 bike.
Darin Miller, Shape of the baglid itself requires a different grille, retainer ring and template. They are not interchangeable. 2020 bikes require TMSBL14 kits.
Video doesn't show wiring to clutch side of saddlebag, only brake side. Where did everyone route it on clutch side to get to bag?
Use a T45 Torx to loosen the 2 bolts for the fuse box. This will give you enough room to route the harness through. Once the harness is pulled through, reinstall the fuse box.
Just watched the video, what about removing the saddle bags after installation? am I required to pull out the grommet every time? whats the life expectancy of that grommet being pulled out and shoved back in repeatedly?
There is a quick-disconnect for removing the bag lid. However, if you'll be removing the ENTIRE bag assembly from the bike, you'll need to fish the harness and grommet through. The grommet uses a custom molded high-density rubber (not your typical rubber grommet) so it will stand up to the abuse of being removed and reinstalled.
I would remove the bags more than I would the lids. The connector should be on the outside of the bag.
The length of wire from the rubber grommet to the quick disconnect is only 6". The rubber grommet is a high-density rubber that has a large flange on the outside (weather side) and a smaller flange on the inside (cargo side), making it easier to pop the grommet off and fish it through quickly.
Yea
just installed these on a 14 flhx and I couldn't agree more. the flaw with this design is the length of wire from speaker to connection. connection should be made outside of bag with weather tight connector. fishing a grommet through your bag everytime for removal is nonsensical.
why do you leave the amp in the 2 channel position ? the Harley radio has 4 channels. I did not see any water protection for the speakers is that built into the grills ?
thx
Great question James B! Most users only have a front audio system so we suggest the switch be set to 2-channel input. If you previously have a tour-pak or an aftermarket radio with front/rear outputs, then you can definitely switch the amp to use a 4-channel input and tune the front & rear channels separately. The bag lids are water proof ... we use the term "Element Ready" which is a combination of protection from both UV rays and water.
Yea the bag lids are waterproof. I like how you dodged the question. So are the speakers are water proof or not?
hello rockford fosgate. ive wanted to do this on my bicycle. but its too expensive
The Rockford Fosgate rear audio (bag lid) kit utilizes an all-new Power Series 6"x9" speaker engineered from the ground up, specifically for motorcycle applications. If you're comparing to other kits on the market, ours is specifically engineered for road and highway use and is Element Ready so it can withstand UV rays and moisture without the fear of degradation. In other words, its not another off-the-shelf speaker slammed into a lid kit.
Hopefully someone there will get back to me on this? As there are so many Harleys out there with soft leather saddlebags. Do you have kits for these soft leather saddlebags? Company that did used to make these went out of business, here is your chance to step it up and make some serious coin Rockford!!!!!
Good Morning Dan, unfortunately we don't currently have any provisions for soft (leather) saddlebags. We do however have a couple options for bikes with fairings and a bluetooth adaptor for those without a radio.
I sold my bike with the speaker rear lids and buy a new bike 4 weeks ago. Removed the rockford speakers and would like to install to my new bike but don't have the template saddlebag lid make a new hole. Where can I find a new templates? Thanks in advice
Hi Robinson, we sell replacement speaker grilles. However, the cutout templates are only supplied in the full TMS69BL14 & TMS69BL9813 kits.
Ok, thanks
What type of jig saw blade should I use to do the cut out? Fine tooth bi metal can’t find one made for plastic
We use fine tooth blades made for metal and wood. We only recommend these since they are a bit more forgiving and you quickly don't end up in trouble as with using a large tooth cutting blade.
?What settings or changes do I need to make to the Amp if I’m adding the saddlebag speaker to my already installed Rockford Fosgate front kit?
More importantly was should be my amp settings for the Rockford Fosgate front and rear (saddlebag kit)
2018 Road Glide special
Great question Casper 2k! First, thank you for looking to Rockford Fosgate for your bike. Since you already have the HD14-TKIT for the front, you're using the TM400X4ad amplifier. You'll keep the INPUT SWITCH at 2-CH since flashing the radio only supports a left & right output, but you can balance this front/rear issue with the gain controls. Set the REAR GAIN to 12:00 o'clock that will run the bag-lids, then start the FRONT GAIN at 12:00 o'clock and slightly lower it until you have a good balance between the front & rear speakers. The gain may end up around the 11:00 o'clock position. Keep both EQ settings to MINIMUM. If you *do not* have the radio flashed, you'll need to do that so you don't blow-up any of the speakers. For more info on flashing, refer to this advisory: rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215
@@rockfordfosgate In the video you say set the gain at the 2:00 position, and here you say 12:00? Wouldn't I also start at the 2:00 position then lower one to balance? I'm installing both fairing and bag speaker kits and want the proper setting the first time. Thanks
Hi @@joeblow5102, since the video was released we have updated the recommendation from 2:00 down to the 12:00 o'clock position since several customers were blowing speakers when they were running them at full output for 20 mins to hours at a time. Here are the latest tuning sheets for the amplifier. Since you're using the rear baglids, you'll reduce the front down to 11:00 to balance the system.
Harley-Davidson 1998 - 2013 Models
rockfordfosgate.app.box.com/file/336667382522
Harley-Davidson 2014+ Models
rockfordfosgate.app.box.com/file/410746702413
Hi guys like always looking forward to your videos..keep it up with your informative videos..like always nice!! 🔊🎶👍😄
Thanks Edrick! We appreciate Fanatics like you always keeping an eye on what's new!
Rockford Fosgate thanks guys..soon getting my RF-P1000x5!! 🔊🎶👍😄
Hi guys looks super cool, I bought a used street glide and there's a harness I see. by the gooseneck, and speaker wire under the seat, I think the previous owner had a system. how would you suggest I see if the speaker wires work before I cut into the bags or will they work without an amp?
Hi Michael, sorry we missed your commend earlier. The Rockford Fosgate saddlebag system comes with all the wiring as we recommend to use these for the quick-releases. We would recommend looking under the fairing to see what type of amplifier is already there. It needs to be able to produce 50W minimum to 100W optimum RMS or it likely won't be enough power to hear them properly.
Why do you leave the amp on 2 channel?
Thanks
It depends on what kit you have. If you have the Gen-1 HD14-TKIT with the previous "2-speaker upper fairing" flash, then leave it in 2-CHANNEL INPUT. If you have any of the newer Gen-2 kits (Stage-1, Stage-2, Stage-3) with the "Rockford Fosgate 2014+ All Bikes" flash, switch it to 4-CHANNEL INPUT
I have 2003 electra glide ultra classic with the touring pack and rear speakers. If I'm already using the four channels is there any other options to add this kit?
Yes, I can actually ship you a rear Y-Adaptor at the amplifier where you can run the TourPak and Baglid speakers off the rear channels (it will be 2-ohms, which the amp is stable to). Please contact me at ce@rockfordfosgate.com and remind me of our discussion with your complete shipping address.
Where can I find those rubber grommets and quick disconnect ? I like that set up it's clean and simple
Hi Thomas, those components are included in the TMS69 bag-lid kit. Unfortunately we don't sell those pieces separately as they are attached to the wiring harness. We custom tooled the grommet. The quick disconnects are mini waterproof connectors.
Are the speakers weatherproof?
@@GregoryBaskincom Yes, we call them Element Ready, which means they are protected against UV rays, mud, and water.
Hi Rockford Fosgate, As the Factory Head Unit/Nav system is such a P.O.S I'm upgrading to a Sony XAV-AX5000 which is 4x22W RMS. Im considering adding the HD14-TKIT and the TMS69BL14 at some point in the near future. Can you tell me what I can expect in order of audio improvement and will I be able to utilise the 4ch option on the TM400X4ad. I'd love to be able to hear a system installed in a bike first, however as I'm in Australia this may not be so easy for me as there are no dealers in my area. Cheers Graeme.
Well it's significantly louder as we custom build the TMS speakers included in the HD14-TKIT so sound their best around wind, road, and exhaust noise (they are not car audio speakers). In order to use the 4-channel output of the radio, you'll simply set the input switch to accept a 4-channel input instead of 2-channel input.
I wonder if they will also fit the flat top Indian Challenger bags?
The cutout template and multi-layer sandwich sealing process was specifically designed to fit factory Harley-Davidson plastic shell bags.
I ordered these along with the front fairing speakers and amp kit today. I'm really excited to get these in my bike! I was wondering, if the radio needs to be flashed prior to, or after the speakers and amp are installed?
It doesn't matter, you can test the system at low listening levels to make sure everything is fine, just don't turn it up or you will blow your speakers.
I have a 2017 Ultra Limited and was wanting to put 4 speakers up front and four in the rear. My question is...can I remove the tour pack and everything still work or is that even possible?
You can certainly do that because the TM400X4ad amplifier included in the HD14-TKIT front audio kit will accomodate 4 speakers (2 per channel.) However, you'll be doing some major modifications to the harnesses. It would be worth purchasing both the front audio kit (HD14-TKIT) and the baglid kit (TMS69BL14) so you can modify the harnesses and do the installation at once.
So the only difference on the wiring harness I initially bought with my HD9813SG-TKIT and the one that comes with this kit is the pigtail and quick disconnect? If so, can I simply order that pigtail alone if I choose to go that route? Also, do I keep my amp in the 2 channel setting even though I'm running the 2 front speakers that came with my HD9813SG-TKIT? Great video by-the-way, thanks
Hi Jose, yes the wiring harness supplied with the Bag Lid kits replace the rear harness from the front TKIT using a molex connector. This harness is not available separately, but is included in the Bag Lid kit containing the cutout templates, grilles, and speakers. The 2ch/4ch switch is for how many inputs you are feeding the amplifier, not the outputs, so it should stay at 2ch in.
Rockford Fosgate - when I go to an authorized dealer, what exactly do I need to ask them to do as far as flashing the headunit goes? Alot of the dealers around me arent real familiar with the harley sound system?
Great point! I know several dealers that have 1 motorcycle specialist on staff, and they are typically in the installation bay (not up-front answering questions). This should give them the hint you know what you're looking for: "Hi, saw on Rockford Fosgate's website that you have a TechnoResearch flasher for Harley-Davidson motorcycles. Can I speak to someone who can help me get my radio flashed?" Then when you're talking to the right installer... "You're familiar with flashing the radio to [2 Speakers - Upper Fairing / 1 Amp] to flatten out the EQ?" This will ensure they know exactly what you need.
I already had the radio flashed for the front HD-14 Rockford kit. And I just added the rear lid speaker kit. Do I need to flash it again for the added rear speakers. And do I need to run the 4 channels of the Amp now instead of the 2 that it’s on currently. Thank you
Sorry for the late reply. Once you have the "Rockford Fosgate 2014+ All Bikes" flash, you're good to go. If you have an existing front/rear TMS audio system with the TM400X4ad, you'll have Y-Adaptors included in the original kit to use on the amplifier outputs to take advantage of the rear baglids. If you only have a front fairing TMS audio system, the baglid speakers connect to the rear outputs of the amplifier. Look at our complete installation videos for info on the integration side. Keep in mind, Stage-3 kits utilize the TMS69BL14 baglid speakers, so you'll be looking for "Stage-3" videos: ua-cam.com/play/PL-ob-nWq0t1iC5_Q1_uutiNbMoIL7292F.html
@@rockfordfosgate hey I actually called you guys the day I installed them which is the day I made the comment. And spoke to a nice guy who walked me through the amp settings. And I’m able to hear music on 2 channels. But 4 channel only the fronts work. Also I’d like to get more base out of the sound. Any trick to that ? The amp settings. Are the same since the installation of the front hdt14 kit. Even after I put the back in.
@@christopherhash2737 Great! Yes, Steve and Forrest are super guys! If you have the HD14-TKIT (1st generation kit) you'll need to keep the input switch on 2-channel input because that harness only supported a left/right signal input. This should still produce output on all 4 channels. If this doesn't work, double check the INPUT SWITCH to make sure it's fully engaged. The 6x9" speakers should add quite a bit of bass to the system. If this isn't enough, aside from adding 2-3 notches of bass on the radio, you'll need a subwoofer. Luckily, we launched a brand-new sub kit today. You can find more information at rockfordfosgate.com/featured-products/2014-hd-subwoofer-system/
Hey guys, quick question: I have the Stage 2 kit on my 18 LTD and am interested in installing the bag lid speakers too... At around the 2:46 min mark of this video you mention having to replace the existing harness with a new harness as part of this kit. Does that new harness support both the tourpack and bag lid speakers as well as the front speakers, so all 6 speakers are working at the same time?
Hi Guys, I purchased the kit and the harness essentially connects the bag lid speakers to the AMP via either the open rear slot on the AMP, or if you have tourpack speakers installed already (like I do), you can use the Y-Adapter from the main unit to connect to the AMP and then connect both the bag lid speaker and tourpack speaker harnesses to that. I installed the speakers and wired them last night. Not too bad. Tonight going to remove tank/front fairing and run the harness up and make that Y-Adapter connection. Then make sure the AMP is set properly and test/tune system. The fit and finish on the components is great and the wiring into the bags is minimal and doesn't interfere w/any moving parts based on how RF secures the grommet in front of the connector inside the bag. Thanks for a great add-on product for my bike!
Sorry we missed your original question Bane1240. We appreciate your follow-up to help fellow H-D fanatics get this installed on their bike.
if I have the front wiring kit already ran for the back why do I need to run that ne w harness ???
Great question Respirator Racing! The new harness has a "pigtail" and quick disconnect if you need to remove the bag/bag lid for service reasons.
Great videos. I am waiting on the HD 14-TKIT and TMS69BL 14 packages to arrive. I have a 2018 SGS and I can't wait to hear how it sounds. My question is on the second video, you changed your amp from 4 channel to 2 channel after installing the bag speakers. Why?
Hi Gregory! You actually found an inconsistent statement with the 1st video that was recorded prior to us recommending to properly FLASH 2014 and newer bikes.
At 22:36 of the Front Audio Kit video, it incorrectly states "Move the Input Switch to 4-Channel". It should say "Move the Input Switch to 2-Channel"
ua-cam.com/video/xS23XfoMMx8/v-deo.html
On all 2014 newer bikes, we recommend getting the radio flashed to utilize the "2 Speakers - Upper Fairing - 1 Amp" setting. You can see our advisory regarding the flash here: rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215/kw/harley
So before I get it flashed do I set the amp to 4 channel? Kind of confused now
I know it's so confusing ... set the T400X4ad amplifier Input Switch to "2CH".
What kind of seat is that on that bike.
Perewitz seat available at www.mustangseats.com/
Why is the amp left in two channel on a four speaker system?
On 2014 and newer motorcycles, flashing the radio to eliminate the EQ only allows for a 2-channel output from the factory radio. You can balance the front/rear speakers by cutting the gain on the amplifier on whichever one you feel is louder (front or rear) until a balanced sound is heard. Once you balance it, you'll likely never need to adjust it again.
It bares repeating, as it seems counter-intuitive, even though you are running 4 speakers, you leave the switch in the 2 Ch setting. I glossed over this (which was indeed covered in the video) and paid the Harley dealer another $168 for an hour of labor when they were flashing it to troubleshoot why I wasn't getting sound out of my new rear speakers (they couldn't figure it out either). Took it home and took it apart and just for the heck of it switched it to 2 CH and voila, sound! DUH!
Thanks for sharing your experience. Yes, the 2CH/4CH switch is used to determine how many INPUTS are used to drive all 4 outputs of the amplifier. When set to 2CH INPUT, a single left input drives both LEFT FRONT/LEFT REAR channels and a single right input drives both RIGHT FRONT/RIGHT REAR channels. When set to 4CH INPUT, each input drives it’s corresponding output. In this instance, we’re using a single left and single right to drive all 4 outputs.
Will your install team be at Wildwood NJ in September? Or near there soon?
Hi Chris, is this for the Roar to the Shore rally? Our sales staff replied we may have someone there, but the crew is focused on Sturgis before making additional plans for Sept, Oct & Nov.
The video was good easy install for someone with no experience who likes to work on own bike pretty easy did everything exactly in video everything was working fine for maybe 3 months and then the right speaker went out then bought some other 6x9 's that one blew out too on same side don't y maybe u guys could explain.
What Year and model motorcycle did you install this on?
2016 road glide same settings everything second 1 went out today
O.K. thank you for that information. We're assuming you installed this with the Rockford Fosgate HD14-TKIT for the front part of the audio system, correct? If so, is the amplifier's remote turn-on wire connected?
Yes the blue wire
O.K. Thank you for that information. Speakers burn up due to excessive power to the driver. I've created a checklist of things to verify below. Feel free to contact our support group at 1-800-669-9899 to see if we can get those speakers replaced under Warranty and if you need any clarification on the below checklist:
- FADER: If you have front/rear fader control, then it appears the wrong flash was applied to the system. Fading to the rear attenuates the front speakers. Subsequently turning the volume up will will apply more power to the rear speakers in order to achieve the same perceived output level.
- CROSSOVER: Be sure to set to HP on both Front & Rear Channels. Make sure the frequency is set between 200Hz and 250Hz.
- EQUALIZER: on both front/rear set to minimum.
- INPUT LEVEL: varies depending upon your primary source. Was the CLEAN setup used? If not, the Input Level on both front/rear could vary between 12:00 - 2:00 o-clock. This is based heavily on what you're using for your source input. If you're using a USB drive to load music, then you have a "hotter" signal going into the amplifier, so you would be at a less sensitive setting like 12:00. If you're using Bluetooth to wirelessly connect, this will be a lower signal going into the amplifier, so you would be slightly more like 2:00 o-clock. Our CLEAN setup procedure is available here: rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1126
- BAG LID CLEARANCE: Be certain the bags are not packed to the top. We suggest at least 2" clearance so there is at least some airspace for the speaker's motor to circulate air around the voice coil. See this advisory: rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1322
Do you have a saddlebag mounting kit for the amplifier? I have a road king special, obviously no fairing.
Hi jamesfitch1, we just released 2 Road King kits at SEMA last week. I don't have shipping ETA yet, but it's definitely worth checking out. I'll be posting detailed photos of the amplifier bracket once we get the production model in marketing for photography.
2014+ Road King
www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/hd14rk-stage2/
1998-2013 Road King
www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/hd9813rk-stage2/
@@rockfordfosgate Thank you.
Hey RF, I'm running a J&M audio 4 ch amp, can I install this kit and expect great rear sound? Thank you in advance...
HI Tony, all our bag-lid kits come prewired for connection to a Rockford Fosgate TM400X4ad 4-channel amplifier. If you wanted to use the J&M amplifier, you'll need to modify the input harness to make this work. The TMS69 speakers that come in the kit are rated to handle up to 100 Watts RMS, so you'll want to plan accordingly on how you setup the rear channels of the J&M amplifier. The speakers have a great frequency response so you'll have great sound regardless of the amplifier used.
I have a 2017 ultra and was wondering if i can add bag lid speakers in addition to my front and tour pack speakers. Thanks James
The bag looks exactly like the 2014 and newer models, so although we haven't installed specifically on a 2017 Ultra, the TMS69BL14 looks like the kit you'd need. Special note that they are not are not compatible with the Power Lock Kit option because the hardware conflicts with the grille. The TMS69BL14 kit is designed specifically for use with the Rockford Fosgate HD14-TKIT (or HD9813ST-TKIT or HD9813RG-TKIT) front audio kit.
The kit harnesses are wired for a front/tour-pak setup or a front/bag lid setup, but not all 3. You will be modifying the harnesses. However, the amplifier is stable to 2-ohms, so if you want to run the front channels to the fairing, and the rear channels to both the Tour-Pak and Bag-Lids, the amplifier will handle it. Again, you will be modifying the harness and re-tuning the rear channels to properly setup the amp.
What about on a 19 ultra limited with the updated audio system?
Are the wiring harness available without the speakers. I have speakers in my tourpak.
No, the only parts available separately are the amp wiring kits:
98-13 Bikes: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/rfkhd9813
2014+ Bikes: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/rfkhd
Is the amp a plug and play with the factory radio
Sorry we're just now seeing this ... Yes, all connectors interface with the factory wiring using the Deutsch connectors. On 2014+ H-D motorcycles, we highly suggest getting the radio flashed so you don't launch any speakers into the next galaxy with H-D's ridiculous EQ curve.
Lets hear it.
Will any 6x9 work with these adapters
Hi baddogACE, we designed these for Rockford Fosgate TMS69 speakers. We have not tested the template with competitor speakers.
Has anybody bridged this amp and upgraded their speakers?
The TM400X4 and the M5-800X4 amplifiers are capable of being bridged into a 4Ω load and are rated to produce 200 Watts x 2 and 400 Watts x 2 @ 4-Ohm Bridged respectively.
So I can't buy the kit without the speakers?
We only sell the kit as a complete unit. Included in the kit are 2 grilles, 2 trim rings, 2 speaker adaptors, 2 cutting templates, and 2 6"x9" high performance 2-way speakers.
Hey guys, I have both the fairing and bag speakers installed, and today on my ride home my rear left speaker went out. There is little to no sound coming out of it....checked connections and everything but no luck. All three other speakers sound perfect. Any ideas?
Hi Jacob, what model year bike is this? Where did you set the Gain/Bass/Crossover on the amplifier? What are the Bass and Treble settings on the radio?
Rockford Fosgate 2014 Street glide special. The gain/bass/crossover were all set just how you guys recommended on the video, was flashed at temecula Harley, and bass and treble are set right in the middle after flash.
O.K. great! Sounds like you have all the right setup. Please call our customer support with a copy of your receipt for a replacement speaker. The Baglids are suggested to have at least 2" minimum clearance so they get proper ventilation... the more clearance the better.
Had something happened to mine what was the end results did u get new speakers and did it go out again?
Rockford Fosgate - Just a quick question, I purchased both the front and rear kits, and at the end of this video you said to keep the amp in the "2ch" mode. I just wanted to ensure that was accurate since I would have "4" speakers?
Good question Matt! Yes, we suggest 2-channel input on the amplifier because FLASHING the radio only allows a 2-ch. output from the radio. This is to get rid of the factory H-D® EQ on 2014 and newer models. To learn more about flashing the radio, we have a couple links that are helpful:
2014+ Harley-Davidson® Radio Flash
rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215
Authorized Dealers that can flash your radio
rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1344
Rockford Fosgate when I go to an authorized dealer, what exactly do I need to ask them to do? Alot of the dealers around me arent real familiar with the harley sound system?
@@rockfordfosgate Have to disagree. With front fairing speakers and rear speakers, you would flash the Head Unit for Zero Amps /Four Speakers in order to gain fade control and 4 speaker outputs. What 2 speaker channels are you going to use for the amp?
@@johnspencer2931 We only suggest 1 Amp / 2 Upper Fairing flash as this is the only one that totally removes the EQ curve. All other flash variations include the EQ to some degree. The INPUT SWITCH would then accept a left/right (2-ch) that would drive all 4 output channels. You can set it up however you want, but this is our recommendation for not blowing up speakers.
@@rockfordfosgate I'm having my radio flashed tomorrow, I currently only have 2 fairing speakers but plan to add 2 more rear speakers soon. I was planning on flashing to no amp, 4 speakers, fairing and rear pods. Do you not recommend this? What is your advice?
Anyone know if these kits will work with the puck style locking lids?
These are not designed for use with H-D® Power Lock Kits. You can see details on the installed lids here: rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/tms69bl14/
@@rockfordfosgate thanks for the response. I have the hockey PUCK style locks, not power lock kits.
Do the speaker mounting holes line up with any 6x9?
The mounting adaptor is custom designed for the Rockford Fosgate TMS69, and is not a "universal" fit adaptor. The TMS69BL14 and TMS69BL9813 come as a complete kit; grilles, adaptor ring, cutout template, wiring harnesses and speakers. The TMS69 included in the kit scream and have a custom tuned frequency response tailored around road, wind, and exhaust noise.
Will this template work with my 2013 Electra glide?
Yes, we have it spec'd for the following models that utilize the factory equipped hard-shell bags do not have the PowerLock system:
- Harley Davidson® Road Glide® (1998-2013)
- Harley-Davidson® Electra Glide® (1998-2013)
- Harley-Davidson® Street Glide® (2006-2013)
You can read more about the system here: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/tms69bl9813/
Does this kit sell without the speakers?
Hi Dantae, Our bag-lid kits are supplied with the speakers because they match perfectly with our fairing speakers and are designed specifically for motorcycle applications. We measured the wind, road, and exhaust noise on Arizona highways up to 75 MPH, then tuned the 6x9" so you could actually hear the music over the noise. They are also Element Ready, so they are impervious to water, UV rays and dust.
Do you have any bike shows in Wisconsin this summer that will have reps doing installs at?
Let me check with our sales rep...
Hi fsas05, our sales rep for the territory said that Motorcycle events are a moving target, so we don't have anything nailed down yet. However, we have a couple great dealers in WI. What area do you live in?
@@rockfordfosgate Madison/Milwaukee area
@@fsas05 I would suggest House of Harley-Davidson. They are a direct Rockford Fosgate dealer and a partner in a show end of last year, so they know Motorcycle Audio:
House of Harley
6221 West Layton Avenue
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
(414) 282-2211
Can I use my own speakers?
The Bag Lid kits for both the 2014 or newer models and the 1998-2013 models were designed specifically for the Rockford Fosgate TMS69 2-way motorcycle speaker. A pair of these speakers are included in the kit. We cannot guarantee fitment with any other speaker due to differences in various 6"x9" basket sizes.
Will this work on the 2012 Street Glide as it it says 2014 newer
There are 2 kits available:
TMS69BL9813
Harley Davidson® Road Glide® (1998-2013)
Harley-Davidson® Electra Glide® (1998-2013)
Harley-Davidson® Street Glide® (2006-2013)
www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/TMS69BL9813/
TMS69BL14
Harley-Davidson Street Glide (2014-current)
Harley-Davidson Road Glide (2015-current)
www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/TMS69BL14/
The two kits for the 98-13 Electra glide can you get them without the speakers
Excellent video.....looking for ship in the metro Phoenix area that could take care of all this for me.....any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks JD Downes! We would suggest Buddy Stubbs, they have two main stores in PHX and ANTHEM at www.buddystubbshd.com/. The only additional advice we have is be sure to get the radio flashed to eliminate that H-D EQ curve or turn the BASS all the way down. This will ensure the longevity of your equipment.
So they could take care of the audio install?!
So they could take care of the audio install?!
Yes, they have a factory Centurion Audio flasher so they should be able to take care of you.
Ok, so they can do the stereo flashing AND the Rockford install portion?!
Somebody know thé name and thé cie of these seat? I have to remplace mine
The brand of seat is a Perowitz.
where you put that big ass amp tho?
The TM400X4ad amplifier goes inside the fairing and is only H1.6 x W4.3 x D8.3 (in.). You can learn more about the complete audio installation on Rockford Fosgate's Motorcycle Audio Playlist here: ua-cam.com/play/PL-ob-nWq0t1iC5_Q1_uutiNbMoIL7292F.html
Does it fit on 2019 road king special
And what else will I need to get music on this Harley
Yes, the TMS69BL14 bag lid speakers will fit those bags. However, it's not a complete kit and will need to be retro-fitted to an amplifier and amp wiring kit. You can read more on the bag-lid kit here: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/TMS69BL14/
Hey what about the sound
The TMS69 speakers included in these kits are specifically built for motorcycle audio, they are not a repurposed "car audio" speaker. We measured the frequency response of the motorcycle itself, wind noise, exhaust, and tire noise on Arizona roadways up to 75 MPH. We determined a consistent pattern of the frequencies being drowned out, so we tailored the response to bring out the best in various music types under these conditions.
Hahaa!! Does it go next to the ashtray ??
Ha Ha, good one! Goes between the ashtray and the "Ice Cold Beverage" holder.
What kind of seat is that?
Dave Perewitz Signature. Great for local rides, but keep your cushy seat for long tours.
www.mustangseats.com/Category/Dave-Perewitz
Rockford Fosgate Thanks what passenger cushy seats you recommend
@@MillyMill0224 For rides up to 150 miles, the Perewitz is great. For rides up to 200-250 miles, the factory models are adequate. For 300+ mile tours, we recommend stepping up to the factory King/Queen models. Hope you find a good seat that fits your riding style!
Rockford Fosgate Thanks a lot!
when will this be available to purchase?
Hi bperez71, these have been shipping for the last 3 weeks, but quickly sold out during Sturgis. You can pre-order on our website to reserve your set when more hit the warehouse at: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/tms69bl14
I already have a 4 channel amplifier... will this be an issue? Can i just order the kit without the speakers? ETA when they are expected to be back in stock at the warehouse?
You can use the rear channel from the 4 channel to power these, so that shouldn't be a problem. The 6"x9" is sold separately as the TMS69, but the TMS69BL14 retrofit bag lid kit ships with grilles, adaptor plates, and 6"x9" speakers. I just checked with sales and it sounds like they will be in stock within 1-2 weeks.
When will this kit actually come with a cable disconnect for each bag. If we can’t take the bags off after the install to wash I’d be pissed. That’s a lot of money to spend on poor cable design.
Joe Mully You can! At 12:35 you can see the quick disconnect for the saddlebag wiring. We put the quick disconnect on the inside the saddlebag to ensure that no slack or loop catches the drive belt.
Rockford Fosgate is that going to pass through the hole in the side of the saddlebag?
@@jjjmully Yes it will! At 6:30 our new Road King video (exact same saddle bag kit) you can see where I pull the quick-disconnect through the hole and attach the saddlebag: ua-cam.com/video/ExnZK4_UzFs/v-deo.html
According to your website this is not compatible with fiberglass lids
That is correct. Early models were fiberglass and we do not recommend this kit due to complaints about fitment. Since this video, we've made improvements to the baglid cutting template and you no longer need to remove the hinge hardware.
I have a 2013 FLHTK, with fiberglass saddle bags, so you're saying that this TMS69BL9813 is NOT compatible? By the looks of numerous videos I've seen on UA-cam, etc., it looks like you can use the template. I am probably having these professionally installed.
@@daveritz18 We do NOT recommend this kit for your Ultra Limited with fiberglass bags. Although we have had customers say it did work, we have also had a fair share of customers say the speaker clamping system did not fit properly due to thickness variations of the fiberglass. Early on, after we released this product, we updated our recommendation to plastic bags only, since the material thickness is consistent. Unfortunately, we no longer recommend fiberglass bags.
@@rockfordfosgate thanks for the clarification...
@@daveritz18 You're welcome. The more info you have, the the better equipped you are to make a decision on how to proceed :-)
If you were going to do an install at least let us hear what it sounds like
It's difficult to convey the loudness and clarity of an audio system through a microphone. Alas, here's one that is pretty decent: ua-cam.com/video/mqIbydF35iw/v-deo.html
I should have read the comments, who cares how easy the install may be if it sounds like shit. And you did not provide a before and after sound clip? I understand the real sound probably wouldnt come through, but you can still tell alot from a before and after using the same PC speakers. - Bad move
Hi Doug, like many Harley enthusiasts, motorcycles are not purchased by watching UA-cam videos alone, right? Rather they experience the bike by riding their buddy's or actually stopping by a Harley-Davidson dealer to test drive one. High performance audio systems should be reviewed in person, where you can *experience* the clarity and loudness. We'll be Biketoberfest, Sturgis, and many other motorcycle events throughout the year, and we'll be happy to show off any demo bikes on site. You can also use our dealer locator to find a Motorcycle Audio dealer (motorcycle wheel icon) near you at www.rockfordfosgate.com/dealerlocator
Had to turn it off, the music gave me anxiety and listening to those two was like watching old people eat wet oatmeal
Thanks for your feedback, we get mixed comments about the background music. Know that we have listened and stepped up our production quality from 2017 (the year this video was made).