The little flashback to the PGS demos warmed my heart. Easy to forget how long Andy has been a part of my pedal addiction problem...erm... I mean pedal enthusiast days.
These guides are price less.Think how many players will benefit from the teaching of Proguitarshopdemos Reverb and Andydemos in the future . Learning from someone who loves what they do , is such a pleasure. Yea Andy.👏. That sub machine 💥
Andy-man, you are far too brilliant at finding all the sweet spots in every pedal known to humankind. The gear acquisition syndrome gets strong from this vid.
I didn’t realize it was possible to discuss octave pedals without an 🐙 and 8 EQD Tentacle pedals, but maybe it depends on whether it’s Emily Hopkins’ or Andy’s video. 😊😊😊
I've been buying pedals for about 20 years now and seen a lot of octave pedals come and go. For octave down it has to be the OC-3 with a plain 1 octave down. For octave up, the pitch fork. Just as good as a pog but with built in whammy. Oh and for octave fuzz, the Dano French Toast gets the job done.
Always awesome seeing these, can we get a video talking about different kind of Leslie/rotary pedals? Those would be pretty cool to see, I mainly know pedals like the EHX Lester (I think that's what it's called at least), Fender Pinwheel, Keely Dyno-My-Roto and the Uni-Vibe but it'd be awesome to learn about some other cool pedals in that vein
Hey Andrew, we already did a video on the history of the Leslie speakers and pedals here! I'll add that the new Dawner Prince Pulse is good one to check out! ua-cam.com/video/TZlvi9428Lw/v-deo.html
Check the Neo Instruments Mini Vent series of pedals. Killer rotary effects. DLS Rotospin, and the bigger RotoSIM, are pretty sweet, and for an affordable pedal to try it out, the Digitech Ventura Vibe, has Rotsry, Uni-Vibe and Vibrato options, with stereo ins and outs. It’s not as good of an effect as the more expensive pedals, but it’s well worth the price. The Uni-Vibe is its own rabbit hole, though some can get closer to a rotary sound than others.
Where digital octave-yp/down pedals are essentially pitch-shifters, and don't really care about the qualities of what you feed them, analog up and down boxes need to *find/identify* what the pitch of the note is, so that it can be either doubled or chopped in half. One needs to help them to do this. You can help by: - using the neck pickup - rolling the guitar tone all the way back - picking above the 7th fret - using heavier gauge (stiffer) strings All of this attempts to remove much of the harmonic content from the vibrating string, making the fundamental much easier for the analog circuitry to pinpoint and making the octave more audible. But as I say, digital octavers don't really care. Because of how they work, tracking is much better on digital units, although some find the "misbehavior" of analog octavers has its own charms. A perk not many talk about: analog octave-up boxes can actually be made to sound a bit like an electric sitar. Keep the gain modest, use the bridge pickup and pick as close to the bridge as you can. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
analog octave up folds the negative part of the waveform onto the positive part, you dont and wont encounter tracking problems because it isnt tracking at all.i think it is as said in the vid, modulating(really sounds like a ring modulator) itself and messing up when feeded too much harmonic content
@@shoegazing_pineapple_6956 Perhaps "tracking" is the wrong term to apply. The issue is the extent to which it makes the octave *audible* in the midst of all the other doubled noise and other unintended content. And yes, restricting the harmonic content it receives is important to providing best performance. I'll note that many of the best-behaved analog octave-up units will include a pair of diodes to ground closer to the output. There is a misconception that they are responsible for the fuzz. In fact, if you remove them, you still get plenty of fuzz. Although they obviously do clip (hence add some harmonic content), their primary purpose would seem to be acting as a crude peak limiter to squeeze the signal dynamics. Because most of the harmonic content of a picked string occurs in the first 200msec or so, before settling down to mostly fundamental, the octave gets lost in all that harmonic mess. It doesn't really come out of hiding until a little while after picking the note. By clamping the output level with diodes, and mimicking sustain, the octave will seem to "bloom". I applied this to Green Ringers I've built (which normally lack this), and it improves their octaving performance noticeably. The help these diodes provide can be improved a little by inserting a small resistance (e.g., 100-470R) between diodes and ground, and running a small cap (e.g., 1000-2200pf) in parallel with the diodes+resistor.
@@markhammer643 i 100% agree about the audability thing, i am quite confused at how exactly it is effecting it but the rectifier octaves go near silent with a bright rich input.i love the grit they produce tho, thats another sound to go for when you get sick of the samey octave sound after half a minute :) i like the diode idea a lot, i was going to build a green ringer but now it will have lot more switches clipping the output might be a must on some pedals, i have a bobtavia with a super hot output transformer and it is too dynamic for the fuzzy sound it produces when dimed, it is unlike anything i have ever built, it is dirty, but it has no compression just like a clean sound.hits you in the face when you dig in. thanks a lot for the info, definitely going on my breadboard soon
@@shoegazing_pineapple_6956 *We* may be listening for, and paying attention to, the doubled note fundamental, but the circuitry treats everything the same. It's ALL rectified, including the stuff you aren't interested in. As well, because we generally prefer lighter gauge strings, we have a tendency to bend the string and raise the pitch a little when we pick (the reason for my suggestion of heavier and stiffer strings), which gives us rectified junk. All of that tends to make the octave get lost. It's in there, but it's like we're trying to listen for the phone while we're in the shower - TOO MUCH HARMONIC CONTENT. Doug Hammond's mods to the Bobtavia roll off the high end at the input. But as I noted initially, one can help by using the neck pickup and rolling the tone off on the guitar. Keep in mind that one of the reasons why *both* octave up and octave down seem to behave better above the 7th fret is because the shorter the string, the less harmonic content. ("Ahhhhhhhhh...." he says). If you want a well-behaved Green Ringer put a 470R resistor, 10k pot, and 10uf capacitor in series, and put all of that in parallel with the 6k2 emitter resistor on Q1. This will give you variable gain. Because that additional gain can make the effect louder than bypass, change the 47k ground resistor on the output to a 47k log pot for volume control. Stick a pair of regular diodes from the input lug of that added volume pot to a 100R resistor going to ground, and give the result a listen before deciding whether the additional cap is needed. It's not *quite* as pleasing an octave as the Foxx Tone Machine (my favorite) or the Tychobrahe Octavia (2nd favorite), but it's MUCH better than a stock Ringer or EQD Tentacle.
@@markhammer643as you said, the octave is always there but it poses as regular harmonics of the instrument.as far as the setup suggestions go, the pedal forces you to play gently but still with some force, thus minimizing harmonic content.i already am on 011 strings, that and bobtavias low input impedance must be the reason i am getting quite an effect. are you sure about the 7th fret thing?my gut feeling is that it works better because the pickup placement related to where the nodes are on the string changes so it picks the fundamental more. the gain control may be on the regular bag of pedal tricks but i am fascinated by the passive clipping, it is usually not audible without a madly hot guitar and low forward voltage diodes but it sure will trim the initial attack, guitars are evil like that.if you make a circuit that clips ugly, the transients poke your eye out every time even though you thought you had ample headroom. maybe i should put one on my reverb driver so it doesnt smash the springs on the inital attack, i like the idea a lot.worth a check with an oscilloscope for sure.
Seeing that malekko ekko briefly almost made me 😭 cuz I sold the lofi ekko I had and man nothing I've had since could touch the oscillation that thing produced. Great delays from those guys
I still have my Red one, and I only sold my lofi Ekko, because I got the Caroline Kilobyte. It switched spots on my board with the lofi Ekko, but I still use the Red 616, on a mini board.
@@CorbCorbin the kilobyte seems amazing and I'm sure it's got a longer delay, that was my only complaint with the malekko. I had the meteor reverb and I kick myself daily for selling that one too lol
My tc sub'n'up mini doesn't track super tight, it has a tiny lag to it, which isn't terrible, but I'd like something super tight, is the pog better at this? Or what are some other recommendations for straigh octave down plus dry signal. That's all I use it for.
Holy cow, I love the Subnup! However, I have the Triplegraph on pre-order, so no way could I justify buying a second octave pedal right now lol. This was a cool video though, octave pedals are wonderful!
@@PageandPlant4Life I actually bought it for my son's bass because that's what Dusty from ZZ Top uses live to get that kinda synth growl.... But I end up using it on my guitar most the time lol... Sounds great
Stack me! All I want is a simple analogue pedal that will give me an exact duplicate of the note (or notes) that I'm playing but an octave down, that I can blend in together as much or as little as I want. I thought it would be easy.... Why does everyone want fuzz with it? Haven't you already got at least one pedal that already does that? How do I spell 'Grrr'?
All I want is to being able to lay down an authentic sounding bass line with a regular six string guitar into a looper, and then play over the top of it. Why can't I find a decent example of anyone doing just that on youtube? It's always 'octave up' to create weird wah pedal type sounds in all these damn videos.
I wanna be as happy as Andy is when he's explaining the nuances of an effects pedal.
The little flashback to the PGS demos warmed my heart. Easy to forget how long Andy has been a part of my pedal addiction problem...erm... I mean pedal enthusiast days.
Thanks, it was fun for me to include those old vids too!
I will never tire of andy playing songs from the Bends.
Very White Stripes-feeling riff at 0:29. Good stuff!
These guides are price less.Think how many players will benefit from the teaching of Proguitarshopdemos Reverb and Andydemos in the future . Learning from someone who loves what they do , is such a pleasure. Yea Andy.👏. That sub machine 💥
Andy-man, you are far too brilliant at finding all the sweet spots in every pedal known to humankind. The gear acquisition syndrome gets strong from this vid.
Thank you, the sweet spots always make me pause for a second, it's like they're calling me....they never shut up! Help.
That picking technique on the sub machine...wow Andy
Holy CKY hit different today!
I was NOT expecting Andy to rip out with the 96QBB!
@@Reverend_Taco absolutely 😁
Definitely a killer riff, yeah
Definitely heard the Mellon Collie inspired playing there. Sounded huge.
I didn’t realize it was possible to discuss octave pedals without an 🐙 and 8 EQD Tentacle pedals, but maybe it depends on whether it’s Emily Hopkins’ or Andy’s video. 😊😊😊
Great demonstration of the variety of octave sounds to be had! Thanks Andy.
I've been buying pedals for about 20 years now and seen a lot of octave pedals come and go. For octave down it has to be the OC-3 with a plain 1 octave down. For octave up, the pitch fork. Just as good as a pog but with built in whammy. Oh and for octave fuzz, the Dano French Toast gets the job done.
The newest Boss OC is pretty killer, and the SolidGoldFX Lysis is a badass octave down fuzz.
There are so many excellent options now.
Listening to you is always a pleasure Andy!
Damn, didn't expect Andy to bust out 96 quite bitter beings. Wicked.
Same. I was so surprised and stoked :D
Beings*
@@skatertrev7 Oh yeah my bad. No idea how I messed that up.
@@Intaminator meh, it happens. I was happily surprised to hear the riff as well!
I felt like I was playing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
Yes!!! The CKY riff!!! One of my faves!!
Me: "I want an octave pedal"
Reverb: "here`s 10+ pedals"
My bank account: *crying*
As Southside Johnny Lyon sang, "All I Want Is Everything":) !
Bahaha right?!?!?
Reverb: You have to be 10 years of age or older to own octave pedals
@@scottplaysguitar that was absolutely brilliant, well played 👏
Bruce Knouse hahaha thank you!🙌
That Township Rebellion riff is one of the best.
Andy is the BEST.
Always awesome seeing these, can we get a video talking about different kind of Leslie/rotary pedals? Those would be pretty cool to see, I mainly know pedals like the EHX Lester (I think that's what it's called at least), Fender Pinwheel, Keely Dyno-My-Roto and the Uni-Vibe but it'd be awesome to learn about some other cool pedals in that vein
Hey Andrew, we already did a video on the history of the Leslie speakers and pedals here! I'll add that the new Dawner Prince Pulse is good one to check out!
ua-cam.com/video/TZlvi9428Lw/v-deo.html
AndyDemos Oh cool, I’ll definitely check it out then. Great demo as always, Andy, keep ‘em coming and stay awesome
Check the Neo Instruments Mini Vent series of pedals. Killer rotary effects.
DLS Rotospin, and the bigger RotoSIM, are pretty sweet, and for an affordable pedal to try it out, the Digitech Ventura Vibe, has Rotsry, Uni-Vibe and Vibrato options, with stereo ins and outs. It’s not as good of an effect as the more expensive pedals, but it’s well worth the price.
The Uni-Vibe is its own rabbit hole, though some can get closer to a rotary sound than others.
CorbCorbin Sounds interesting, I’ll look into them. Thanks dude
Once in a while you get to see Andy holding his laughter over a pedal.
Awesome !! I remember when you did a demo of the Orange Fur Coat !! That blew me away , I ended up getting that pedal because of that demo . 👍👍
That's great to hear! I really like when fuzz pedals give you the option to blend octave like that, rather than just a full blown tone change.
Thanks!
I'm still not sure about the MXR Poly Blue Octave, but I think I love it.
Release more than half a year after this video was released...
My favorite octave effect is deffinitly the slap back octave you get from the Old Blood Noise Excess when you crank the depth
I kept waiting for the Keeley Monterey.... finally the last 10 seconds!
Even though is more modulation focused, that Alexander Pedals Marshmallow is awesome as heck
Great demo, even for Andy.
The POG2 is so good.
Informative, and some cool playing/riffs
I got the “Lovepedal Joker Octave pedal” off Reverb; I love it
Bass octave pedal shootout, please ! My BOSS Super Ocatve OC-3 is my favorite, so far.
My Octron 2 came in the post today!
Octron is the next octave pedal I'll be buying.
@@kirabarsmith9353 The 4 is coming out in the Summer-they just announced it recently. What a thing!
@@Barry101er Nice, thanks for the heads up!
@@Barry101er I was looking at the 4 when making this vid, looks awesome!!
Where digital octave-yp/down pedals are essentially pitch-shifters, and don't really care about the qualities of what you feed them, analog up and down boxes need to *find/identify* what the pitch of the note is, so that it can be either doubled or chopped in half. One needs to help them to do this. You can help by:
- using the neck pickup
- rolling the guitar tone all the way back
- picking above the 7th fret
- using heavier gauge (stiffer) strings
All of this attempts to remove much of the harmonic content from the vibrating string, making the fundamental much easier for the analog circuitry to pinpoint and making the octave more audible. But as I say, digital octavers don't really care.
Because of how they work, tracking is much better on digital units, although some find the "misbehavior" of analog octavers has its own charms.
A perk not many talk about: analog octave-up boxes can actually be made to sound a bit like an electric sitar. Keep the gain modest, use the bridge pickup and pick as close to the bridge as you can. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
analog octave up folds the negative part of the waveform onto the positive part, you dont and wont encounter tracking problems because it isnt tracking at all.i think it is as said in the vid, modulating(really sounds like a ring modulator) itself and messing up when feeded too much harmonic content
@@shoegazing_pineapple_6956 Perhaps "tracking" is the wrong term to apply. The issue is the extent to which it makes the octave *audible* in the midst of all the other doubled noise and other unintended content. And yes, restricting the harmonic content it receives is important to providing best performance.
I'll note that many of the best-behaved analog octave-up units will include a pair of diodes to ground closer to the output. There is a misconception that they are responsible for the fuzz. In fact, if you remove them, you still get plenty of fuzz. Although they obviously do clip (hence add some harmonic content), their primary purpose would seem to be acting as a crude peak limiter to squeeze the signal dynamics. Because most of the harmonic content of a picked string occurs in the first 200msec or so, before settling down to mostly fundamental, the octave gets lost in all that harmonic mess. It doesn't really come out of hiding until a little while after picking the note. By clamping the output level with diodes, and mimicking sustain, the octave will seem to "bloom". I applied this to Green Ringers I've built (which normally lack this), and it improves their octaving performance noticeably. The help these diodes provide can be improved a little by inserting a small resistance (e.g., 100-470R) between diodes and ground, and running a small cap (e.g., 1000-2200pf) in parallel with the diodes+resistor.
@@markhammer643 i 100% agree about the audability thing, i am quite confused at how exactly it is effecting it but the rectifier octaves go near silent with a bright rich input.i love the grit they produce tho, thats another sound to go for when you get sick of the samey octave sound after half a minute :)
i like the diode idea a lot, i was going to build a green ringer but now it will have lot more switches
clipping the output might be a must on some pedals, i have a bobtavia with a super hot output transformer and it is too dynamic for the fuzzy sound it produces when dimed, it is unlike anything i have ever built, it is dirty, but it has no compression just like a clean sound.hits you in the face when you dig in.
thanks a lot for the info, definitely going on my breadboard soon
@@shoegazing_pineapple_6956 *We* may be listening for, and paying attention to, the doubled note fundamental, but the circuitry treats everything the same. It's ALL rectified, including the stuff you aren't interested in. As well, because we generally prefer lighter gauge strings, we have a tendency to bend the string and raise the pitch a little when we pick (the reason for my suggestion of heavier and stiffer strings), which gives us rectified junk. All of that tends to make the octave get lost. It's in there, but it's like we're trying to listen for the phone while we're in the shower - TOO MUCH HARMONIC CONTENT. Doug Hammond's mods to the Bobtavia roll off the high end at the input. But as I noted initially, one can help by using the neck pickup and rolling the tone off on the guitar. Keep in mind that one of the reasons why *both* octave up and octave down seem to behave better above the 7th fret is because the shorter the string, the less harmonic content. ("Ahhhhhhhhh...." he says).
If you want a well-behaved Green Ringer put a 470R resistor, 10k pot, and 10uf capacitor in series, and put all of that in parallel with the 6k2 emitter resistor on Q1. This will give you variable gain. Because that additional gain can make the effect louder than bypass, change the 47k ground resistor on the output to a 47k log pot for volume control. Stick a pair of regular diodes from the input lug of that added volume pot to a 100R resistor going to ground, and give the result a listen before deciding whether the additional cap is needed. It's not *quite* as pleasing an octave as the Foxx Tone Machine (my favorite) or the Tychobrahe Octavia (2nd favorite), but it's MUCH better than a stock Ringer or EQD Tentacle.
@@markhammer643as you said, the octave is always there but it poses as regular harmonics of the instrument.as far as the setup suggestions go, the pedal forces you to play gently but still with some force, thus minimizing harmonic content.i already am on 011 strings, that and bobtavias low input impedance must be the reason i am getting quite an effect.
are you sure about the 7th fret thing?my gut feeling is that it works better because the pickup placement related to where the nodes are on the string changes so it picks the fundamental more.
the gain control may be on the regular bag of pedal tricks but i am fascinated by the passive clipping, it is usually not audible without a madly hot guitar and low forward voltage diodes but it sure will trim the initial attack, guitars are evil like that.if you make a circuit that clips ugly, the transients poke your eye out every time even though you thought you had ample headroom.
maybe i should put one on my reverb driver so it doesnt smash the springs on the inital attack, i like the idea a lot.worth a check with an oscilloscope for sure.
Love my POG. Some great tones 🎸
POG all the way so usable so stackable
Very few of the above octave dividers are true --only one --the BOSS ps 2 digital pitch shifter --comes close to the original 70 ,s octaver I used !
This is something I want to get into, thanks!
My favorite pedal I love is the super phaser lately with the line 6 pedal board I've been going to the wah wah pedal
Seeing that malekko ekko briefly almost made me 😭 cuz I sold the lofi ekko I had and man nothing I've had since could touch the oscillation that thing produced. Great delays from those guys
I still have my Red one, and I only sold my lofi Ekko, because I got the Caroline Kilobyte. It switched spots on my board with the lofi Ekko, but I still use the Red 616, on a mini board.
@@CorbCorbin the kilobyte seems amazing and I'm sure it's got a longer delay, that was my only complaint with the malekko. I had the meteor reverb and I kick myself daily for selling that one too lol
Great stuff Andy!
My favourite type of guitar effect🤘🏻
Awesome video!!!
Tentacle & Whammy DT!
My tc sub'n'up mini doesn't track super tight, it has a tiny lag to it, which isn't terrible, but I'd like something super tight, is the pog better at this? Or what are some other recommendations for straigh octave down plus dry signal. That's all I use it for.
Holy cow, I love the Subnup! However, I have the Triplegraph on pre-order, so no way could I justify buying a second octave pedal right now lol. This was a cool video though, octave pedals are wonderful!
Hope you enjoy the TripleGraph, it's really in a class of its own!
@@AndyDemos Your video was what made me decide that I had to own one! Honestly, your videos are fantastic in general - best pedal demos out there!
Reverb needs to have bass-specific versions of these videos. It used to (the ones with Jake); what happened?
I like octavio and octave fuzz pedals the best
Plauteax reverb in Helix is super cool,
What's the riff at 7:00?
Township Rebellion - Rage Against the Machine
Green Ringer gang
More confused after watching the video. Is there a simple pedal that gives a basic octave sound when playing one note at a time?
Yes, that sounds about right.
Yeah, but what's your clean tone??
2:10 Boom!
whats the song played in 4:47 ??
Cky- 96 quite bitter beings with improv at the end
My Iron Lung sounded killer
anyone know what the intro song was?
So can someone answer for me if I can use an octave pedal to make a bass guitar sound like an 808
kind of! you won’t get the punch of an 808 but i love to use my oc2 to get a synth bass tone and line my notes up with the kick drum
What was that song when he was playing the sub machine ?
96 quite bitter beings by cky
One of the Best, ist
KMA / 🗿 Moai Ma, or
DS Custom. / OCTAVE Blender .
or the Plasma Coil/Third Man
i need an octave pedal, like the Micro Pog, but with midi to create presets. Anyone know of anything like this?
hey does anyone here reccomend the ammoon octa pedal?
Pog pedal in the thumbnail haha poggers
My Iron Lung!!
Man Andy were you been
Hey, between Reverb and my own AndyDemos channel, I’ve been putting up at least one vid a week! Make sure your subscribed to both, thanks!
@@AndyDemos
Thanks.
And octave divider pedals to
My Iron Lung ♥️
i love pogg
I like my micro POG
same. i ain't got the patience to duck with all the options on a pog2
@@PageandPlant4Life I actually bought it for my son's bass because that's what Dusty from ZZ Top uses live to get that kinda synth growl.... But I end up using it on my guitar most the time lol... Sounds great
Stack me! All I want is a simple analogue pedal that will give me an exact duplicate of the note (or notes) that I'm playing but an octave down, that I can blend in together as much or as little as I want. I thought it would be easy.... Why does everyone want fuzz with it? Haven't you already got at least one pedal that already does that?
How do I spell 'Grrr'?
Ask yourself, how much of your output is controlled by software/hardware purchases, and how much is really you?
Why no T-Rex Quint? =(
That's a good one too, I had fun faking bass on that demo!
>POG2
All I want is to being able to lay down an authentic sounding bass line with a regular six string guitar into a looper, and then play over the top of it. Why can't I find a decent example of anyone doing just that on youtube? It's always 'octave up' to create weird wah pedal type sounds in all these damn videos.
Try a micro pog :)
You can just buy a bass for less than what you'd spend on a decent octave pedal
The Boss OC-3 or OC-5 and Micro POG are pretty strong contenders for clean realistic bass!
@@AndyDemos Thanks for the tip.
OC5 for sure. Better and cheaper than a POG IMO. Of course a POG will do this as well.
@5:10 What the hell?!!
What's the riff at 4:47?
96 quite bitter beings by CKY
@@JackAtlassthanks xx