so nice to see an American learning Welsh. I've been using duolingo as well as learning compulsory Welsh in school. But it makes me very happy to see someone outside of Wales trying to learn the language!!
Croeso ! My American friend! I’ve been learning for over a year now… still don’t understand all the grammatical rules, and I was born and raised in Cymru!
@@CarlsLingoKingdom only untill age 12, and only a few hours a week, back when I was in school. There has been a real linguistic renaissance since then, which has done wonders for the promotoon of the language!!
You put yn, shortened to 'n between chi, hi, ti, ni etc and the following verb. If it is not a verb (esiau or isio) then leave it out. If you want to say has instead of is use wedi instead of yn. Dw I'n blino = I am tiring. Dw i wedi blino = I have tired. Good pronunciation btw
A tip for spelling verbs: Typically, when the final vowel/diphthong is A, E, AE or Y, the suffix will be -u Caru (to love), Gwasanaethu (to serve), Golygu (to view/mean/edit), Gwerthu (to sell), Gwenu (to smile), Ysgrifennu (to write), Talu (to pay), Prynu (to buy), Gwaedu (to bleed), Taeru (to assert), Canu (to sing), Tynnu (to pull/draw/unsheathe/take a picture/extract/take off/subtract) When the final vowel/diphthong is O, W or Oe, the suffix is -i Poeni (to hurt/worry/pester), Goroesi (to survive), Oedi (to delay), Cefnogi (to support), Priodi (to marry), Ysbrydoli (to inspire), Enwi (to name), Rhewi (to freeze), Berwi (to boil) When the final diphthong is an 'wy' that makes an 'oi' sound, the suffix is -o Cwyno (to complain), Twymo (to make warm/become warm/warm up), Bwydo (to feed) When the final vowel/diphthong is i or Ei, the suffix is -io Minio (to sharpen), Dinistrio (to destroy), Llifio (to saw), Neidio (to jump), Ceisio (to try), Teithio (to travel) Notes: -Rules aren't well kept, particularly with -o and -io, many people just put them on any word when they forget the rules, so there are a lot of exceptions, Gwisgo (to wear), Glanio (to land), Gwario (to spend money), Paffio (to box), Hoelio (to nail), etc. -When adding a suffix or a word, certain vowels/diphthongs of the root word change, W = Y, Ai = Ei, Aw = O, A = Ei/E/Ai, Ei = A, Y = Y (uh) Naid (a jump) = Neidio (to jump), Golwg (a sight/view/look/glance) = Golygu (to view/mean/edit), Neidr (a snake) = Nadrod (snakes), Ynys (an island, uh-niss) = Ynysoedd (islands, uh-nuhss-oithe), Hawl (a plea; right) = Holi (to ask/question), Brân (a crow/raven) = Brainod (crows/ravens). But of course, there are many exceptions
Make sure that you read the explanation text page at the start of each unit/circle. That explains things like when to use YN. Unfortunately it's hidden in the app but many of us just use the web version on our phones - it has lots of extra features and works well. Also the test doesn't work properly in a tier 2 Duolingo course like Welsh - it was created by unpaid volunteers not paid employees, so it doesn't have access to some features and the test is just random.
At first I thought you were calling the Duoling test "an epic fail" :D I remember using DL for Spanish and Italian. Haven't touched DL for years, so I'm curious to see how it changed. I find Celtic languages fascinating even though I've never tried learning any of them. The spelling looks so intimidating! As for various ways of learning, no idea what you taste in music is, but check out the Scottish band Runrig. They have quite a few songs in Gaelic! Cheers from Poland.
@@vladimirthegreen6097 Great question! I've actually got a video about how I'm learning and I list some resources in addition to Duo: ua-cam.com/video/1YU0qXVTjwU/v-deo.html
You need to do all sections in the lessons, there are 4, followed by legendary level, of which there are also 4. If you can do legendary (which is, without hints) you can say you've learned the lesson properly!
Eisiau is used a verb but isn't really supposed to be a verb. The traditional way of saying "Dw i eisiau coffi" would be "Mae eisiau coffi arna i" (or substitute "gyda" for "arna" for southern Cymraeg). This is the explanation I have heard for not using the 'n before eisiau, and it makes sense. There are one or two other similar "verb - not-verbs" which behave the same: angen (need) - still I think more commonly seen in the traditional "mae angen ... arna i" but also seen in the verb position ("dw i angen"), and, I was once told biau (own), though I don't recall hearing it used like that.
The problem I have with Duo Welsh, is that after doing well up to unit seven, I started getting bombarded with a whole set of new words new words sometimes in the same sentence. I am still a very new learner not the 'Amazing Memory man''. I will keep on, keeping on, but Duolingo could be a lot more helpful, Da iawn dioclh!
I have just started using Duolingo in Welsh! Prior to this video I watched a young man who was apparently fluent in the language have a go at it. He was up in arms and saying it was not correct. He made a suggestion they were using South Wales vocabulary , he got quite irate about it. Is Welsh Duolingo correct?
Honestly,, one of the worst things about Welsh orthography is the similarity between i, u and y, especially in Southern dialects (which Duo seems to be using). But an easy way to remember the difference is to look at how each letter is used in words as suffixes etc. -i = plural - pileri (pillars) -u = verb - gwerthu, tynnu (sell, pull) -au = plural - bryniau (Hills) This is very simplified though. Certain words in certain tenses have forms that end in -y : Tery - (is) hit Chwery - (is) played Y cledd yn erbyn cledd a chwery Dur yn erbyn dur a dery The sword against sword is played Steel is against steel is hit.
Eisiau is a noun, not a verb noun. "Dych chi eisiau" is a shorthand for something like "oes eisiau arnoch chi". That's why the yn isn't there. BTW, eisiau is pronounced ish-uh. I was very confused the first time heard Dwisha for Dw i eisiau, but that's how they say it.
@@CarlsLingoKingdom It does vary quite a bit, depending on the area of Wales. Where I live in Gwynedd, you'll hear "eesho", usually spelled "isio". But "eisiau" is the more formal spelling.
I thought it was pronounced ishe? Nothing wrong in the way he said eisiau, particular as my autocorrect changes it to Russia. It’s more orally, just as in English, people’s accent can vary.
You've done really well. Just a few tips if you want them. Siopwr dw i is correct but 'Dw i'n Siopwr' is also correct. You missed 'yn'. Is this case yn representing the 'is' in English. For eisiau you never use yn with it. I can't tell you why other than it's just how it is in Welsh. If you have any further questions let me know :)
Glad you enjoyed it! @Kamrat_ett I'd also recommend checking out my previous video where I show how I'm learning Welsh to give you some ideas. There's more to it than just Duolingo!
I'm about at that point myself, so watching you take the test was helpful. I use my phone, so predictive texts helps with spelling. Duolingo does pronounce eisiau a number of ways (along with other words). I've been told, how it's pronounced can depend on what part of Wales someone comes from also.
I tried duolingo for a while last year, and my understanding was you're not supposed to click another of the circles until you've done the one so much that it turns purple haha like the bar around it fills up like 6 times or something
what i hate about Duolingo Welsh is that it uses "dych" instead of "ydych".. for example saying "Ydych chi'n iawn" mean "Are you okay" whereas "Dych chi'n iawn" could have two meanings most common "You are okay"... it also gets a lot of the grammar wrong which really annoys me...
@@CarlsLingoKingdom As far as I remember their own explanation is that they use what they call "common Welsh" rather than "formal Welsh" or something like that. But if you're still doing the lessons I do recommend the tips pages from the web version although they are sometimes more confusing than helpful. I'm on day 73 by now, having spend app. 1-2 hours per day and am now at the end of unit two. It's getting really hard now so I've been close to giving up at times. Watching this has given me a bit of calm and courage so even if you call it an epic fail, at least your posting this video has had a good effect on someone else :)
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so nice to see an American learning Welsh. I've been using duolingo as well as learning compulsory Welsh in school. But it makes me very happy to see someone outside of Wales trying to learn the language!!
I finished the welsh course and take online welsh courses. I am in the US and love Wales.
@@claudianowakowski dwi'n hefyd!
I'm in New Zealand and am doing the Duolingo Welsh course.
Croeso ! My American friend! I’ve been learning for over a year now… still don’t understand all the grammatical rules, and I was born and raised in Cymru!
Keep learning! Only a year? Isn't Cymraeg compulsory in school in Wales?
@@CarlsLingoKingdom only untill age 12, and only a few hours a week, back when I was in school. There has been a real linguistic renaissance since then, which has done wonders for the promotoon of the language!!
@@silverfish8059 what part of Wales are you in then? In school I've had to learn it since age 7 (year 2) until year 11
@@CarlsLingoKingdom The teaching of is not taken seriously and so there is little interest to continue with it.
Welsh words look like someone slammed their head against their keyboard
So does Gàidhlig, tbh
@@CarlsLingoKingdom kinda
You put yn, shortened to 'n between chi, hi, ti, ni etc and the following verb. If it is not a verb (esiau or isio) then leave it out. If you want to say has instead of is use wedi instead of yn. Dw I'n blino = I am tiring. Dw i wedi blino = I have tired. Good pronunciation btw
Diolch yr fawr!
A tip for spelling verbs:
Typically, when the final vowel/diphthong is A, E, AE or Y, the suffix will be -u
Caru (to love), Gwasanaethu (to serve), Golygu (to view/mean/edit), Gwerthu (to sell), Gwenu (to smile), Ysgrifennu (to write), Talu (to pay), Prynu (to buy), Gwaedu (to bleed), Taeru (to assert), Canu (to sing), Tynnu (to pull/draw/unsheathe/take a picture/extract/take off/subtract)
When the final vowel/diphthong is O, W or Oe, the suffix is -i
Poeni (to hurt/worry/pester), Goroesi (to survive), Oedi (to delay), Cefnogi (to support), Priodi (to marry), Ysbrydoli (to inspire), Enwi (to name), Rhewi (to freeze), Berwi (to boil)
When the final diphthong is an 'wy' that makes an 'oi' sound, the suffix is -o
Cwyno (to complain), Twymo (to make warm/become warm/warm up), Bwydo (to feed)
When the final vowel/diphthong is i or Ei, the suffix is -io
Minio (to sharpen), Dinistrio (to destroy), Llifio (to saw), Neidio (to jump), Ceisio (to try), Teithio (to travel)
Notes:
-Rules aren't well kept, particularly with -o and -io, many people just put them on any word when they forget the rules, so there are a lot of exceptions, Gwisgo (to wear), Glanio (to land), Gwario (to spend money), Paffio (to box), Hoelio (to nail), etc.
-When adding a suffix or a word, certain vowels/diphthongs of the root word change, W = Y, Ai = Ei, Aw = O, A = Ei/E/Ai, Ei = A, Y = Y (uh)
Naid (a jump) = Neidio (to jump), Golwg (a sight/view/look/glance) = Golygu (to view/mean/edit), Neidr (a snake) = Nadrod (snakes), Ynys (an island, uh-niss) = Ynysoedd (islands, uh-nuhss-oithe), Hawl (a plea; right) = Holi (to ask/question), Brân (a crow/raven) = Brainod (crows/ravens). But of course, there are many exceptions
Diolch yr fawr! :D
Make sure that you read the explanation text page at the start of each unit/circle. That explains things like when to use YN. Unfortunately it's hidden in the app but many of us just use the web version on our phones - it has lots of extra features and works well.
Also the test doesn't work properly in a tier 2 Duolingo course like Welsh - it was created by unpaid volunteers not paid employees, so it doesn't have access to some features and the test is just random.
Diolch! Yes, I just learned about the tips since I always use my phone.
@@CarlsLingoKingdom phones can use the web version too
At first I thought you were calling the Duoling test "an epic fail" :D I remember using DL for Spanish and Italian. Haven't touched DL for years, so I'm curious to see how it changed. I find Celtic languages fascinating even though I've never tried learning any of them. The spelling looks so intimidating! As for various ways of learning, no idea what you taste in music is, but check out the Scottish band Runrig. They have quite a few songs in Gaelic! Cheers from Poland.
Yeah, I think Duolingo even references Runrig. I agree, the spelling is intimidating to me, but I'm getting the hang of it. Thanks for the comment!
@@CarlsLingoKingdom what do you recommend to teach welsh? I used only duolingo and I want to find something for more constructive learning
@@vladimirthegreen6097 Great question! I've actually got a video about how I'm learning and I list some resources in addition to Duo: ua-cam.com/video/1YU0qXVTjwU/v-deo.html
@@CarlsLingoKingdom Diolch iawn. One more question how many time you spend for welsh?
Welsh is amazing. I wish I can learn it. Alongside Scots-Gaelic.
You can do it!
Dw i'n hoffi dy progress. When learning welsh it's about absorbing the language not perfecting it xxx
Diolch!
Da iawn ti am ddysgu ein iaith! 🏴 Dal ati!
Mi wnaf!
You need to do all sections in the lessons, there are 4, followed by legendary level, of which there are also 4. If you can do legendary (which is, without hints) you can say you've learned the lesson properly!
Ydw! Slowly but surely.
Eisiau is used a verb but isn't really supposed to be a verb. The traditional way of saying "Dw i eisiau coffi" would be "Mae eisiau coffi arna i" (or substitute "gyda" for "arna" for southern Cymraeg). This is the explanation I have heard for not using the 'n before eisiau, and it makes sense. There are one or two other similar "verb - not-verbs" which behave the same: angen (need) - still I think more commonly seen in the traditional "mae angen ... arna i" but also seen in the verb position ("dw i angen"), and, I was once told biau (own), though I don't recall hearing it used like that.
Diolch yn fawr! Someday I hope to be as knowledgeable as you.
The problem I have with Duo Welsh, is that after doing well up to unit seven, I started getting bombarded with a whole set of new words new words sometimes in the same sentence. I am still a very new learner not the 'Amazing Memory man''. I will keep on, keeping on, but Duolingo could be a lot more helpful, Da iawn dioclh!
I would like to learn Cornish
Do it! :)
Hard to find resources
Bendigedig!
Siopwr dw I
I have just started using Duolingo in Welsh! Prior to this video I watched a young man who was apparently fluent in the language have a go at it. He was up in arms and saying it was not correct. He made a suggestion they were using South Wales vocabulary , he got quite irate about it. Is Welsh Duolingo correct?
Good question-I think it's generally accurate, but it's good to have multiple sources of learning to make sure your input is well-rounded.
I've been learning Spanish on Duo for 8 months.
Started Welsh 2 months ago 👍
I'll definitely be back here to Study.
Bore da Michaelkent dw i. 😁🙏
Da iawn! Keep it up.
Honestly,, one of the worst things about Welsh orthography is the similarity between i, u and y, especially in Southern dialects (which Duo seems to be using).
But an easy way to remember the difference is to look at how each letter is used in words as suffixes etc.
-i = plural - pileri (pillars)
-u = verb - gwerthu, tynnu (sell, pull)
-au = plural - bryniau (Hills)
This is very simplified though.
Certain words in certain tenses have forms that end in -y :
Tery - (is) hit
Chwery - (is) played
Y cledd yn erbyn cledd a chwery
Dur yn erbyn dur a dery
The sword against sword is played
Steel is against steel is hit.
Diolch yn fawr! So helpful.
Always “chi” and not “chi’n” with eisiau. Don’t understand why, but there it is.
Diolch!
eisiau is a noun - so you do not need the linking yn ('n)
Diolch. Always learning!
Eisiau is a noun, not a verb noun. "Dych chi eisiau" is a shorthand for something like "oes eisiau arnoch chi". That's why the yn isn't there. BTW, eisiau is pronounced ish-uh. I was very confused the first time heard Dwisha for Dw i eisiau, but that's how they say it.
Thanks! I've been confused by eisiau since I've heard it pronounced several different ways.
@@CarlsLingoKingdom It does vary quite a bit, depending on the area of Wales. Where I live in Gwynedd, you'll hear "eesho", usually spelled "isio". But "eisiau" is the more formal spelling.
I thought it was pronounced ishe?
Nothing wrong in the way he said eisiau, particular as my autocorrect changes it to Russia. It’s more orally, just as in English, people’s accent can vary.
Wait until you see there is another common word for want in the south...moyn. Be' ti'n moyn brecwast 'fory'?
i'm doing welsh also and really enjoying it!! nice video
Da dawn! Good luck.
You've done really well. Just a few tips if you want them.
Siopwr dw i is correct but 'Dw i'n Siopwr' is also correct. You missed 'yn'. Is this case yn representing the 'is' in English.
For eisiau you never use yn with it. I can't tell you why other than it's just how it is in Welsh.
If you have any further questions let me know :)
Diolch!
This was really interesting to watch, thank you :)
I'm from North Wales and I think your Welsh is great!! Da iawn ti 😄
@@The995Killjoy Right? This video really got me interested in Welsh now!!
Glad you enjoyed it! @Kamrat_ett I'd also recommend checking out my previous video where I show how I'm learning Welsh to give you some ideas. There's more to it than just Duolingo!
Diolch yr fawr, Larissa!
I'm about at that point myself, so watching you take the test was helpful. I use my phone, so predictive texts helps with spelling. Duolingo does pronounce eisiau a number of ways (along with other words). I've been told, how it's pronounced can depend on what part of Wales someone comes from also.
Okay, cool -- so it ain't just me! Hahaha
Ask 5 Welsh people how to pronounce something and you'll get 8 different answers. ;)
@@LokarofWS just 8?
I tried duolingo for a while last year, and my understanding was you're not supposed to click another of the circles until you've done the one so much that it turns purple haha like the bar around it fills up like 6 times or something
I know some people do this, but I'm not sure if it's the preferred method. I don't like to work that slowly.
Also, working each lesson to legendary level makes the responses reflexive.
Spelling in Welsh is phonetic.
Indeed! I'm glad it is.
what i hate about Duolingo Welsh is that it uses "dych" instead of "ydych".. for example saying "Ydych chi'n iawn" mean "Are you okay" whereas "Dych chi'n iawn" could have two meanings most common "You are okay"... it also gets a lot of the grammar wrong which really annoys me...
Weird. Any ideas why it does that?
@@CarlsLingoKingdom As far as I remember their own explanation is that they use what they call "common Welsh" rather than "formal Welsh" or something like that. But if you're still doing the lessons I do recommend the tips pages from the web version although they are sometimes more confusing than helpful.
I'm on day 73 by now, having spend app. 1-2 hours per day and am now at the end of unit two. It's getting really hard now so I've been close to giving up at times. Watching this has given me a bit of calm and courage so even if you call it an epic fail, at least your posting this video has had a good effect on someone else :)
Fabolaidd
Diolch!