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Shimano Groupsets | All You Need To Know | Cycling Weekly
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2019
- The Japanese brand Shimano offers a wide range of groupsets - starting with Claris and Sora, which you’ll find on entry level road bikes. Tiagra is the next step up, followed by Shimano 105 which is typically specced on bikes costing upwards of £1000.
Shimano 105 is considered Shimano’s first performance groupset, and for many people it is the best option in combining performance, value and longevity. Ultegra is next and is very similar to Dura-Ace in terms of performance, though Dura-Ace is lighter. You’ll find Ultegra on bikes from around £1500.
Shimano currently produces Ultegra and Dura-Ace in electronic versions, denoted by Di2, and newer Dura-Ace, Ultegra and 105 models now come with disc brakes.
You can find all of these products from Shimano on Freewheel.co.uk, a great way of shopping online but still supporting local bikes shops
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1:29 Claris R2000
4:12 Sora R3000
5:53 Tiagra R4700
8:55 105 R7000
15:58 Ultegra R8000
21:36 Dura-Ace R9100
Thank you 🙌🙌
Thank you lord
Where is Deore?
@@jesselabadlabad1916 Deore is a mountain bike groupset, this video focuses on road bike groupsets. The MTB lineup from entry to premium is:
Tourney (several variants)
Altus
Acera
Alivio
Deore
SLX
DeoreXT
XTR
Ithink the sora is good for 7075 aluminum frame right
It has to be the best and the most comprehensive video on the topic that I have ever seen. Thank you so much for this!
And the best tash 😎
Absolutely agree. He explains very well and his accent and speed of talking is understandable for all. Definitely thumbs up 👍
Take a shot every time he says "best performance possible."
After 3 years of cycling, I think it's finally time to upgrade from Tourney to Claris.
same here HAHAHHA but i’m jumping straight to 105
Maybe you can upgrade to Sora bro, claris is a lot better in performance but not in weight, the crankset in claris has a high weight.
Love the tourney thumb lever shift ... completely unique
@@samsonhiw8448 absolutely good choice, using 105 group set makes a lot of changes.
@@EmreErcan-utopiano Yup, just got a canyon. Shipping by end of this year!!
I put a tourney front and back derailleur on an old bike from the 80s and I upgraded the freewheel from 5 to 7 speed. I also got the tourney frame-mounted indexed shifters. Works absolutely perfect. And It cost me less than 30 bucks. 2x7 is absolutely fine for a $30 investment.
KallaMig. For reasons I won't bore with, I am presently riding a road bike with - horor of horrors - à Tourney 7 speed rear derailleur operated by a AO50 palm shifter. It is an astonishingly good combiation, it has worked flawlessly for 6,000km. The AO50 shifter is excellent - changes are snappy and precise, and it can go rapidly through the gears, and dreadful heresy, I find I now prefer this to 'Brifters'. Shockin.g
Shimano range is really confusing. Even finding the right combo of parts to a series i.e. Ultegra is a research project. Shimano should make a virtual "workshop" where you can put various part numbers together on a frame geometry of your choice - so your options are blocked if they cannot work together. Other companies have this (PC parts springs to mind), but the bicycle industry does not seem to have catched up to this fairly simple way of guiding customers towards the correct parts. Lots of cyclists end up with incompatible parts sooner or later.
If I have a 2x9, can I use a Claris on that? How bout a Tiagra which is on 2x10
By official shimano docs you should only use parts within same groupset except brakes. Most of the time you can mix components with same gear counts within road or mtb lineups, but there can be some wird compatibility issues.
@@hailstorm7868 My hybrid came with a weird mixture of Alivio and Nexave 8-speed parts, plus a Spectra triple crankset mounted on some semi-anonymous Slovakian-made bottom bracket. I just replaced the cassette, bottom bracket and crankset with slightly wider-range versions, keeping the derailleurs. It meant I was putting a 9-speed crankset with an 8-speed chain, rear cassette and derailleurs. It works, but the Nexave front derailleur is right at the edge of its capabilities and needed very careful adjustment.
Trying to put together a flexible but inexpensive drivetrain for a utility bike is basically impossible within a single Shimano groupset, and even figuring out which groupset a given part (identified by model number) belongs to is harder than it should be. Mathematically, I'd like to be able to use the 7-speed 12-32T cassette from the Tourney groupset with a 46-30T compact double crankset. Knowing that the latter exists but not what groupsets it's available in, hunting for it on Shimano's website is a real chore.
I had Claris on a 1000€ Gravel Bike, equipped with fenders and light etc. When setup correctly it shifted well, but the front derailleur required quite a lot of force and the rear derailleur required indexing every other ride. It came with mechanical disc brakes which were quite disappointing.
I don't mind working on my bike regularly but this was a bit annoying, so I upgraded to GRX 400 (Tiagra equivalent), and shifting is both easier, quicker and more reliable right out of the box. After 300 km I didn't have to adjust anything yet. Super happy with the upgrade!
I learned a lot about working on my bike on the entry level system, but I'm happy I have to use that knowledge less know ;)
Thank you, that was very well explained. Reading some of the comments it is very obvious to me that there are a lot of people who don't know the difference between road bike gear sets and mountain bike gear sets. Maybe you could do a similar video on the differences on the Shimano range of Mountain bike gear sets, if you haven't already done so. That was the best explanation I have seen, Thanks.
+1
This brings back memory from my internship at shimano. Entering the dura ace production line is my favorite memory bcs it’s the quietest, the cleanest, the least crowded. To enter there needs special permission, so whenever i got the chance to go there for maintenance, i always felt special. Neat little things. Always wish that i can buy dura ace some day lol
You explained the different tiered systems perfectly. That was enjoyable and informative. Thank You 🚲👍
no 1 video exactly
First class video. I've found a new interest in cycling and have been enjoying watching videos that breakdown the parts that make up a functioning bike. 👍
I know it’s entry level, the lowest road groupset Shimano has, but by goodness Claris shifts like a dream! From department store Tourney, to bike shop Tourney and Acera on my hybrid, to this groupset on my road bike, the shifting performance is vastly improved! I’m excited to one day move up to 105
me too
Very informative, probably the best video I have seen, thank you. My wife's current bike has a combination of Ultegra with 105 levers and the new bike is available with either total 105 or total Ultegra for a $400 difference. I think from what I have learned, there won't be much functional difference and only 175g weight.
The 105 group set is bulletproof!
There are in depth reviews checking dura ace after 20000km. And it shows nearly no wear
Thats a crazy question bro🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Loving my Claris R2000. A lot better than many previous versions & actually quite smooth operating it on training & minor races.
agree with you Sir, I have 105, Tiagra, sora, and claris, of all this group set I have -the sora and claris are the most smooth and responsive shifting , I never heard chain clicking trying to go on a higher cassette
I mixed Dura ace with Claris. I gotta say, it's great. 8 speed 12-23 Dura ace cassette, Claris brifters, Dura ace brakes, Claris Derailleurs, Dura ace 7700 crankset and a Dura ace 11 speed 901 chain. This combination works perfect for me and it was relatively cheap to gather.
"8 speed 12-23 Dura ace cassette" You're using a 20 year old Dura Ace with new Claris? Why not go new 105? It would've been similar in price and blow your setup into the middle of next week.
Very, very well done, thanks. Shhh...I'm a Campy guy. I noticed the 105 cog tooth range made a significant jump in the middle and similar to my Campy Chorus 34. Lower set for flats and rolling terrain and the larger set for climbing. The 105 is definitely race worthy.
I have tiagra and 105. Tiagra is highly underrated. 10 speed is fine.
I can second this.
10 speed also enough for me.
tiagra is 10 speed 105
Although, if you have a flexible budget. You can go for the Ultegra. Even the guys from Shimano themselves say that there's practically no difference but a little weight.
Though the cost difference between Tiagra and 105 isn't huge, so if you're upgrading from something lower than Tiagra, or doing a frame up build 105 is probably worth it. but if your bike came with Tiagra, probably not worth upgrading to 105.
Thank you for the knowledge Nigel Thornberry!!
Been running claris r2400 and r2000 with disc brakes. It's a very durable group set. I'm an experienced rider and I still ride 8 speed on my gravel bike.
Hang on didn't he say that claris doesn't come with disc brakes? Do you have to get them separately or something? (I'm new to this!)
@@MattH6565 i think you can replace the rim brakes with disk brakes of a different brand (tektro is a good one)
Thank you thank you thank you so much ... I was looking for this information recently... not every bike shop even can explain things properly... great video for a newbies... well done
Tiagara and lower have flatbar shifters too, good for hybrids
So the 105 wouldn't work for flat bars?
Planning on buying my first road bike, this video is exceptional
As a complete novice (well 12 weeks ago I bought a 2nd hand bike) This video has explained everything perfectly, and seemingly I've got a lot of bike for my money! Alas - I fear the bike is let down by it's owner at the moment! Cracking video!
Thorough and clear understanding of the groupsets. Well done!
The Claris grounder works very well on my bike and I am very happy with it.
The build quality and the shifting performance really is amazing.
Claris and Sora are great, except rear derailleurs. Shimano put aluminium rivets in there, for make them worn out faster. Rear derailleur from Tiagra and above has steel rivets.
I use 8 speed setup with 105 Rear derailleur and it very durable and cheap. Claris cassette have 2 tooth jump between all cogs (pretty smooth) and allow use cheap KMC Z51 chain (4 USD in my region). Not great for racing, but great for everything else.
Thanks didn't know that!
@@darinsteele7091 I did my own research)
have specialized with 105 no complaints love it.Got old 1978 Raleigh Team Record and upgraded to 8speed with trigger shifters both shimano and love it.One think I noticed that extra gears 10-11 I did not miss on 8speed.I find 8gears more then enough for my needs.
Mistake at 22:43 , cold forging does not align all of the material’s atoms together, in fact it does the opposite. Cold forging completely scatters the atomic lattice pattern of the metal, which makes it stronger for its application.
Alignment of grains, not atoms.
You left out the best feature of the Dura Ace 9100 mech. It still shifts like a dream, but if you’re stuck in Podunk, Colorado with a broken derailleur or shift lever you can substitute almost any 105 or Ultegra part from literally any bike shop for around $50, and replace it with Dura Ace later when you get home. This can save you from hitching to the hotel and waiting two days for a new and expensive electronic derailleur, or ending your ride and vacay altogether if you run out of time. You can also put a giant pie plate cassette on and a large cage derailleur too if you need to climb that 30 degree hill, and convert it back in about 15 minutes without replacing the shift levers. You can also fix almost anything on a Dura Ace mech system by just carrying a long shift cable, a long brake cable, and a very handy Leatherman Squirt model PS4 (with pliers, 56g). For my type of riding which does not include a team repair van or complex tools, it trumps di2’s complexity, charging, battery that goes bad occasionally, and lack of availability at smaller shops that don’t carry expensive parts ($190 for ultegra di2 RD, and no one has batteries). You sacrifice a little performance with mech- I missed a single shift once before I reached 15,000 miles with 9100, and you have to trim it yourself so if you race crits or do hill climb races for money, get di2. Contador and Nibali forced Shimano to let them ride mechanical until 2016 because they liked the feedback better than di2. I’m no Contador, so I guess it’ll be good until they force me too.
Bikes have came a long way in my years but the prices are over the moon for me.
Nicely done Thank You! I own a bike shop and have this conversation at least weekly. I will now share your video as a supplement.
Glad to watch this video! I am happy to have built a great 30 speed Ultegra/105 mixed group set on my De Bernardi Italian Columbus Aluminum 7005 series bike.
i want to upgrade my road bike to Claris R2000 and this video helps me alot..Thanks for a good explanation in every groupset Sheamus
This is the type of exhaustive walkthrough I was looking for. Any chance of finding the info organized in table format? The video is great, but direct comparisons can be difficult to make here.
Dunno why you'd buy anything above 105 unless you are surrounded by mountains, steep hills, or have a craving for electronic shifting
apparently you have not ridden Dura-Ace. 105 feels like you are riding a tank compared to Dura-Ace which feels like a race car. Due to lower quality in production 105 has way higher friction in the driver train.
Quality goes up with the price. It's just amazing to ride with a top of the range groupset but I'm more of a Campag fan.
@@matthewbaynham6286 Weight goes down. Functionally it's the same groupset. That is a well known fact. So if you by quality mean weight, then yes... quality improves. Otherwise no - quality stays the same.
@@Rotaletro Perhaps you should take better care of your 105 chainsets(and the bottom bracket + chain) then. It's true that there is 2-3% drivetrain efficiency between 105 and Dura Ace. So tell me why do you not just get a dura ace chain and chainset on sale, huh? 105 is not a lower quality product I'm sorry to tell you. Maybe you want it to be, but if you did a blind test(which GCN have done) you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Shifting is the EXACT same. Weight is down. Drivetrain friction is up. The disparity is subtle. Minimal at best - the price is not
What does steep hills have anything to do with groupset? It’s not about groupset, it’s about gear range.
Understood everything in 30 mins! Lifesaver. Thanks.
Ain't nothing wrong with running Sora. Keep your bike and its components clean, properly lubed and adjusted, and you will get excellent performance from it for many years to come. Also, my Rx to all of you for flawless performance: Occasionally wipe clean the exposed cables on your bike, loosen your cable ends, and lube the inside of your cable housings with Tri-Flow with Teflon by applying it on to the un-exposed parts of your cables, and running cables back and forth in your housings before returning the cable housings to their proper positions, wipe off the excess lube, and re-adjust your derailleurs and brakes to your usual preferences. Also be sure to also lube all pivot points, such as on your brakes, brake levers, shift levers, and derailleurs, and wipe off the excess.
Agreed, maintenance and keeping things clean is the most important. I've put thousands of miles on Claris and Sora components with few signs of use. Nothing wrong with the "entry level" groupsets, even 105 is comparable to Dura Ace, really (what I run on my road bike).
Sora is utter crap.
Mike Mcguinness the groupset’s not the problem, you are
@@boldstar69 says the guy with the shit group set.
Mike Mcguinness says the guy bald af. Life screwed you over the moment you got born with your bad genes.
Absolutely superb explanation of the various shimano group sets here. Such useful info. Really great job here guys. 👏👏
Great info. I’m brand new to biking and this info was very helpful.
I am interested to see how good the new 12 speed dura ace is going to be when it comes out (and eventually 12 speed Ultegra and 105). I recently got to demo ride a MTB with the 12 speed XTR groupset and that is the smoothest shifting bike I've ever ridden even compared to road bikes, makes the SRAM GX eagle on my bike feel downright plebian.
I don't really care much about Shimano cassettes, i just had this video play while I did a light kettlebell exercise. Very informative, nevertheless.
You didn't mention direct mount rim brakes, which is available from 105 and up IIRC.
Excellent and comprehensive discussion on the Shimano group sets. I wonder if it makes sense to upgrade an entry to mid level carbon bike to a higher end group-set?
Isn't dura ace less durable than 105 though?
I know so little about bikes...love this channel...
Love my 105 groupset.
Great Shimano groupset review and comparison.Would have cool if you did a weight comparison for groupset parts.Many weight weenies out there including myself.Shimano 105 is probably the best value for money.Cheers.
I was a little unsure about anything below 105. Thanks.
Quite informative. May you please do something similar with sram group sets
Watch this space....
Very good video explaining the Shimano range of group sets. But good lord show me the back of the crank!! he tells us all about the different material used but we get just a glimpse of them.
27:14 - puzzling: Dura-Ace uses aluminum for front derailleur to reduce weight, then why do those lower grade models use metal to get more weight at higher price while aluminum suffices?
Yes, great job explaining the shimano gear sets...
Thanks for the highly detailed video! Ready for my quiz 🙌🏽
Excellent video on Shimano Group sets.. got full clarity!!
Thank You!! Excellent job of explaining the confusing world of Groupsets! This really helps to understand the performance and reliability ranges we can expect from each level. I've been considering a Gravel Bike, one with 105 R7000 groupset, and disc brakes would be perfect for my non-racing needs...any recommendations?
I just got GT grade elite gravel it came with claris r2000 8 speed on a 2021 gravel bike
I have Shimano 105 group on my Trek Hilo time trial bike, Shimano Ultegra on my Lemond Reno/Buenos Aires road bike and Shimano Sora on a 2012 Masi Alare road bike I just bought.
Just what I need as I will be buying my first road bike this year 👍
I thought I wouldn’t need to look at this, but I was wrong. Shimano is a puzzle of many pieces.
Both Ultegra and Dura Ace shift the same. Di2, mech, they both shift the same. The only thing you’re paying more when you’re getting Dura Ace is weight. If your a weight weenie and have the money, go for Dura Ace. I don’t really see the reason for Dura Ace so I would rather stay with Ultegra.
Hope to see Sram Groupsets | All You Need To Know, next episode
The more you spend the better it looks, its a simple marketing technique but has been used for ever. Its the same with motobikes, cars, bike frames etc. Sucked me it, I got the dura-ace crankset because it looks the best.
Obviously trolling I'd hope?
@@ErzbergAdventures nope
What an incredibly helpful video!!!!
I run Shimano Alivio baby on my shopping bike
been using the 105, ultegra and dura-ace for years and cannot see / feel a drastic difference except the cost and refinement in the manufacturing. If I wanted to shave a 100gram or so of the total weight then a salad would be the cheapest option and this would not cost me an arm and a leg.
The best 31 mins of my life
That’s bad news Angel Guevara..... 😩
Don't tell ur wife 😅
ironman tooltime 🤣
The best video on Shimano group sets! Thanks
Hi I know sora is for road bike and alivio is for mountain bike but may I ask if Sora is higher than alivio?
Excellent video, just what I was looking for. Thanks👍
great run down , nice detailed easy to follow info, thanks.
A very comprehensive comparison, thanks.
This happy sora owner want abit better explanation something you going very quick through, how have Shimano make the Tiagra stiffer than Sora.
At least for me now in the beginning of 2022 I have also easier to find cassettes to Sora than to Tiagra.
Is that allowed to be mentioned?
Still the best video of this sort I have seen.
Simple, informative and straightforward
Knowledge, clarity, thorough thank you.
Thank you so much for the video ! Very well explained, the best I've seen, love it ! I learned a lot!
Really wish Shimano would put out a power meter for the 105/Ultegra groupsets. Running a mix of 105 and Ultegra on my current bike and it's great. Would be cool to have a video comparing/contrasting Shimano to SRAM (say Ultegra / Force or Dura-Ace / RED).
Excellent, comprehensive and very lucid explanation of the major differences. Thanks a lot.
There is only one slight mistake with reghard to the R2000 and R3000 caliper brakes. Both Claris and Sora make use of Shimano's double pivot SLR-technology. Thus, it is only the somewhat simpler bearings of the pivots plus the less powerful compound of the braking pads that makes them a little inferior in maximum power and modulation to the 105 or Ultegra rim brakes.
What I like about this unpretentious video ist the clear statement that any hobby racer or commuter is well served with a groupset like the Sora. It is well-engineered, highly reliable, sturdy and, after its latest renovation, even looks great.
Informative and easy to understand. Thank you!
And Campagnolo is next, I guess :)
and than SRAM
No, do SRAM next. Keep Campy for the Grand Finale!
It should be!
Would be great to do a video on Shimano's non-groupset cranks etc.
Terrific video. Extremely informative!
I am in the process of adding a Sora crankset to my road bike (3 x 9). I noticed that on the big ring, the teeth don't seem to be uniformly shaped ... I am used to seeing teeth (particularly on cassettes) that are almost a uniform shape, with each tooth having a sort of horizontal edge cut along along the top of the tooth ... with the big ring on my Sora crankset, the teeth are not at all uniform - some have the horizontal edge on the top, some are more curved, and some almost have a bit of a point on them (like you would see on a crankset where the teeth are completely worn down to a point, from excessive usage). Is this supposed to be this way, or is that a defect? Or is it simply the way things are with the lower level of quality control at the Sora price point?
Very good work! Very informative! Thanks!
Great video. Very useful and important information. Thanks.
Can you make a video on campagnolo groupset
Very informative. ... Do you have another video of the grx gravel line? Please link.
The newer 105 r7000 is a great group. Just built up a frame n fork with it.
awesome job on this and even awesomer stache!
Yup, that's one of the rare stylish ones!
I wonder when Shimano is going to announce the next generation road groupset.
So I could just swap my sora r3000 to ultegra r 8000 groupset ? With just pad breaks ?
I have nothing l ess than 105. The work horse of the group and great value
50gr saving for DURA-ACE cassette... that makes 300€ extra, please.
it all just doesnt matter if you are not a pro rider :) thats good for me.
agree take 3gulps of water and weight is negated
Next trend will be waxing the whole body, including eyebrows and removing all the nails to save an extra 40 grams! Wonder if they jerk off before a competition as well, 20 grams guaranteed!
Monk, No way bro need that mojo!
Can I mix & match the groupsets?
My bike is running the tiraga set. It's great with the trim shift but not a great as 105 11sp
great video. can someone explain or recommend a video that explains the differences between the millimeter options for the crank sets when buying. thank you.
Very informative, a wealth of information.
Thank you for this video. Im new to cycling and really confused with all this groupset jargon. It hinder me from upgrading my bike as im afraid it will not compatible. So i just use my bike as-is
Great overview - which one is lighter the electronic group set or regular?
What’s the best bet if you were to choose a group set based on reliability, performance and price in that order
Very nicely explained thanks😊
Great video, good job breaking everything down