OMG YOU GAVE ME AN IDEA FOR FUTURE CHAPTERS!!!! The area with the weird door out side could have a dark world 2!! Maybe in chapter 4, MAYBE EVEN SANS HOUSE NEXT!!!
I was thinking about it yersteday! And now, is clear my theory about UA-cam watching us and not us watching It, is correct! Sorry If my inglish is bad, I am brazilian.
How Flowey's eyes frequently dart to the left, particularly whenever the melody goes into Don't Forget, and how this is never directly acknowledged, implies to me that Ralsei is standing just off screen with a gun.
*Analysis:* Flowey, if he were to show up in Chapter 3, would be a somewhat different beast than his Undertale counterpart on account of their drastically divergent origins. Emerging in the Dark World from Asgore's floral bouquets which Toriel disposes of in her kitchen trash can, this Flowey would be the incarnation of Asgore's yearning for familial connection and Toriel's rejection of such. Hence, the prominent reprise of "Bergentrückung" backed by elements of Toriel's "Heartbreak" leitmotif in the bridge of this piece. This Flowey, by his mere presence, would also act as a bizarro reflection of Ralsei and a major impetus for his character development. Both shroud themselves and their motives with a mask of congeniality, though whether or not those are their legitimate emotions are up in the air for either party (I tried to invoke that feeling of upbeat innocence by using soundfonts from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon. Did it work?). Appropriately, a melodic segment of "The Legend" (Ralsei's motif) can heard as the song's second verse diverges into fresh territory, but it quickly develops in a different direction to used as a stepping stone towards the bridge. Or, depending on how big a hypothetical role Flowey'd actually have, it could also foreshadow importance to the Legend as a whole. (After all, "Your Best Nightmare" is *not only* reprised in "Digital Roots" in the basement where you fight Spamton NEO, but that same six-note melody is alluded to heavily in "The Dark Truth" during Ralsei's explanation of the Roaring. This isn't headcanon, go compare the two. It's arranged differently, but that distinctive "down a step, up a leap" progression is a dead ringer.) There would be a pivotal difference, I feel, between Ralsei and Flowey in this hypothetical. Flowey the Flower was grown with tender care as an emissary of reconciliation, only to be be cruelly deprived of that purpose and thrown away. Ralsei, on the other hand, seems to have been abandoned from the beginning, with only an immutable, destined purpose to hold him together. Returning to the climax of this song: If you listen closely enough, the interplay between Bergentrückung and Heartbreak breaks into a faint excerpt from "THE WORLD REVOLVING" in the tradition of Deltarune's secret bosses. After all, what is the destitution of one's hopes and dreams but yet another form of freedom?
I really like that idea of what Deltarune capther 3 could be like (it even seems to be very canon), almost everyone thinks that the third chapter is going to be exclusively from the world of television because of the fact that Mike's smile appears in television at the end of the second chapter, but in reality this may be different. The sources of the first and second chapters are opened in small rooms where there are things that are more specific such as that in the first one is a room where toys and table games are kept and that in the second it is in a computer room while the third is not a room about something in specific, but it is in Toriel's house since in the end Kris leaves the door of the house open, indicating that the possible dark world of chapter 3 is of the objects that are at home of Toriel including the flower in the trash, remember that Toby Fox left a hint from chapter 2 in the first chapter, right in the computer room and not only that, but the golden flower in the middle that we see in the Asgore's shop could be a hint that Flowey was to appear in Deltarune Chapter 3. It could be said that this almost confirmed of Flowey will be able to appear in Deltarune. It would also be interesting that thanks to Flowey you could get to know Asriel in more depth or how he could influence the story. (By the way, I really like music, it suits the aesthetics of Deltarune and the personality of this version of Flowey.)
Flowey doesn’t even exist in Deltarune because Asriel wasn’t even attacked by humans AT ALL, in fact, Monsters are in the surface but the story will be very different from Undertale and also Flowey is the reincarnation and in case you didn’t know, Asriel is in college right now and you need to focus on the lore rather than making music about old characters that are NOT going return in the game
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@@charlie4christ536 Agreed, but I think this looks like part of the Protestant version of the Bible because of the Shakespearean English, which is not as good as the Catholic version of the Bible, so, if you, @Charlie4Christ, are a Protestant, then please convert to Catholicism.
Honestly I could see Flowey being in a future chapter, but many elements of his character become extremely different due to how he isn’t exactly Asriel in this. Reading the comment from the creator Id imagine Flowey would probably be less conniving and backstabbing and more nosey and desperate for friendship. He’d be overbearing to an extreme degree to probably represent the way Asgore can be in the overworld. This addition could still allow him to be forceful or violent if it allows him to achieve his goal, like maybe he’d either only really care about Frisk or Toriel with little to no care for any other lightener, Darkner, etc. maybe even this nature could affect how you’d fight the secret boss if they continue to be kinda personal like Spamton was
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I love the idea of flowey being the bouquet asgore gave to toriel that she put in the bin! Also I just love flowey, and this'd be a dream come true. Yeah i'd love him to be kind but it'd be the ultimate Toby move to actually make him evil because people think he's gonna be nice.
@@nafin9063 not in this game Asgore isn't the King and Toriel isn't the Queen they don't have to follow the same rules smh Flowey could look exactly like DR Flowey while being a different character
Not sure entirely if he'd be nice or not. He has a lote of hate poured into him from toriel throwing him away over and a over again lul. Or maybe just irritation.
If Flowey DOES appear in Deltarune, it'd most like be if a Fountain is created in Asgore's shop. Perhaps a secret boss even. Edit: HOLY [Cungadero] THERE'S LIKES HERE! (why? It's just a simple statement)
@@axolotlinabucket1287 flowey is just a golden flower with injected determination, and dust. darkworld turns inanimate objects to living creatures, so all the flowers can be sentient beings in a dark world.
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@@plushmariogaming Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life. (John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Asriel in Undertale said there are other Floweys out there, and the concept of Flowey himself doesn’t have to be specifically tied to Asriel, for those arguing it couldn’t happen. For example, what if another monster died the same way Asriel did in Undertale, and not Asriel himself? The result would still be Flowey, just with some differences depending on the character. Flowey in Deltarune could simply be a flower brought to sentience by the Dark World’s magic and maybe they would base their personality off of what happened around them in the Light World.
"There are other Floweys out there" was probably referring to people who will do anything to achieve their goals, not specifically a flower themed reincarnation Taking that into account, Spamton and Jevil would fall under "other Floweys" as would the player
@@Lunalite I know it was more of a metaphor but I still think people are being silly since this could tie into it and mostly because there’s no real reason a Flowey couldn’t appear. If people don’t think it will that’s fine but some seem to act like it’s objective fact.
@@TheCJBrine Personally I just think having just Flowey exist in a game that's desperately trying to NOT be Undertale would cheapen the experience but hey to each their own If anything I think it'll be extremely likely that the game makes a couple off-handed references to Flowey like it has to the God of Hyperdeath and Mettaton
@@Lunalite you make a fair point, but since the game already has clear ties to Undertale anyway, with the various characters in Hometown, I personally think it’d be fine and cool if Flowey was different from the one in Undertale with a different reason for existing. It may very well just be references though, like the flowers in Asgore’s shop. I also don’t really think Flowey appearing is very likely myself tbh, I just don’t agree with people’s reasons against the possibility.
@@TheCJBrine Well it's meant to be a parallel story so any other character being there makes sense from a story perspective What's more likely in my opinion is another kind of plant-like hidden boss
Personally, I enjoy this little mix of the tunes to make a Flowey feel "real" if he every appeared in Deltarune. It'd be nice to se him in a somewhat sarcastic and "know-it-all" state, but genuinely caring and not at all evil. It'd be a funnier and a nice side to see. He was a very good character, but we never got to see the nicer side of Flowey in Undertale too often.
Ok maybe a little bit of evil, but it's nothing too serious. Just beating the shit out of you for your own good. Don't worry, his floral scent counts as a healing projectile!
"fLoWeY cAnT bE iN ChAptEr 3 bEcAusE aSriEl-" IT. DOSEN'T. *MATTER.* WHATEVER arguement you have doesn't matter, Toby can do whatever the hell he wants, he doesn't need Asriel in order to have Flowey in the game that HE IS MAKING. He can bring him in and make it work, I don't understand that it's this hard for people to conprehend, straight up saying that it's impossible for Flowey to be in the game, it is. It is defintely possible.
@@zenloks_1735 Toby would just have to come up with his own new lore as to why. Deltarune is a completely new world, what happens in Undertale doesn't mean a thing here. At least right now.
Spamton NEO is pretty much evidence of this. Toby brought back Mettaton NEO even though it isn't Mettaton anymore he still made it work with many references to the Undertale counterpart.
Maybe for the theoretical genocide route of chapter 3, instead of messing with toriel or some other party member you manipulate flowey into doing all of the killing, causing him to become more and more like the undertale version until he betrays you at the end and you have to fight him
But Flowey would not have any reason to trust you and attack because ðe reason you could use Noelle to kill people is because she trusted you so it would be easy to convince her to do bad þings but wiþ Flowey. Flowey would have just met you so he would have no reason to help.
Remember, Deltarune is Undertale with a way different story and added characters. There are the same characters in the background of everything, if one doesn't appear, they might still exist in the background. For all we know, we may see Frisk in a different chapter.
I really like this idea for flowey, because no one has pointed out it wouldn’t even be changing g his character much. In undertale he mistakes you for chara and gets pretty close to you in some *roots*, because he wants chara back Here he can be desperate for a friend in general, making him do some horrible things to not lose you, not making him a bad person, but still an antagonistic person, like how he was I undertale
Ok so this comment didn’t ACTULLY blow up but I feel really happy about it so I’ll just do some dialogue * oh, OH! OH HOWDY! * YOU MUST BE THE LIGHTNERS AND THE PRINCE OF LEGEND! * oh it is such a joy to finally meet you three! Im Flowey! Flowey the Darkner, but I look like a flower, so Flowey the flower also works! What he says next depends on what you’ve done before this, whether it’s violence most of the way through, snowgrave, or pacifist Pacifist: * Boy have I heard about you, The kindest folk! * going around, befriending everyone! I guess you could say you’re quite a big shot! * …hehe, this next part might sound crazy * but I’d love to be a friend of yours! A party member! Your Fond Acquaintance! * what do you say pal? *yes / *no What you choose doesn’t matter, as Susie just gets creeped out and insults him * wh-what? B-but I’m flowey the flower!! I-I * Im your very best friend * Grrrr, fine then * have it your way * but I promise I’ll be back to be an even better friend than that ugly dumbass Dino and gender confused goat Violence * Boy have I heard some scary things about you, running around scaring people. But a legend needs to be fulfilled! You go! You can do anything! * well, let me let you in on a little secret * this flower. . . * H A S T H O R N S * and if you need an extra fighter, I’d be more than happy to help! What do you say, partner? * Yes/No No matter what you say, ralsei will interrupt you and say how they aren’t exactly about violence or something * But all the other darkners said you were! Are you lying to me? Quit pulling my ropes, I’m really not an idiot! * Fine then, have it your way * but I promise to be as harsh as possible to the others, just like you, because I’m your best partner Snowgrave * Boy, you suuuure seem cold dontchya? * well * I’ll let- * wait, why are you staring at me like that? Having dejavu? * what? freezing people? Berdly? A scary string monster * … I see * You want to fulfill your own prophecy * THATS A WONDERFUL IDEA! * I’ll help you on the way partner, just keep this a secret between you and me, we can’t have any more unwanted visitors listening * it’s rude to talk about people who are listening yknow * Well, Toodles!
@@A_G_w_R the thing is since flowey would be so overly-attached to the point where it would be deadly (mimicing asgore but intensified). they would become the secret boss by being so over attached to you to the point where they discover the soul and want to take it out to "Free kris" so they can be friends, which is where the fight starts.
I like too imagine that the flowey here would be like how he was before all the resets he did, back when he was still clinging onto his beliefs of him being asriel. Except instead of him being asriel it's Asgores broken marriage. Even though flowey knows that it's gone he still thinks these 2 are together. So pretty much hes just the flowers in the trash can
Flower knows a lot about timelines and maybe even the place he's in. Like he knows as much if not more than sans undertable. The implications and what he would say in general would he immense.
Would make sense for him to have the [[True Knowledge]] about the Dark World, and some info on his Light World location. He probably wouldn't have meta-knowledge tho.
"Golly, Kris!" "When I first met you, I thought you were just some snot-nosed teenage nobody, prancing around to fulfill some magic prophecy in a mystical wonderland without a care in the world!.." "..I thought with your human SOUL, I could use its power to leave this little facade we call a dark world with my form still intact!" "..." "..But there's more to it than that, isn't there, Kris?" "Hee hee hee.." "You know someone, don't you?" "The one just outside of anyone's reach!" "You know, a SOUL with ties like that can be used for so much more than a vessel to control a puny flesh puppet." "And soon enough, Kris, you.. well, you'll see exactly what I mean in a moment!~" "All you have to do.." *"..is hold s t i l l ."*
Alright, you know what guys? If Flowey is in chapter 3 and/or is a little less violent than his Undertale counterpart and is just lonely and hopeful for a friend, I can officially say Flowey is freaking adorable. (Grant it we also don't get a visit from good old Omega.)
don't know if you wrote the poem in the description but the way you managed to describe the flowey plot in a few words while toby took an entire game is amazing. Also, the way you figured out how to implement flowey in deltarune without asriel necessarily having to be connected with flowey is very interesting. I think it managed to represent well in the song too, in the background of that annoyingly cute song, we can see that flowey hides a deep sadness and rage thanks to the motifs of asgore and heartache. Anyway, sorry for the essay, I just couldn't help noticing how talented you are, if youwanted you could even write a movie script (= (Sorry for the bad English, i'm Brazilian.)
Thanks a bunch for the compliments! That poem was really a spur of the moment thing; I'm really glad people like it! (Your English is also surprisingly good, don't see any problems except for minor grammar issues and the occasional typo. Keep up the good work.)
I adore this idea, although I'm not sure it would be "Flowey" specifically, only because we see the golden flower that becomes Flowey in UT in Asgore's shop, but it could still be a flower character. My personal idea was that it could be a purple hyacinth (represents reconciliation) named Sauri (sounds like "Sorry," so he'd introduce himself with "Howdy! I'm Sauri!"), who turns out to be just one of many flowers, possibly even a hivemind (since there's more than one flower in a bouquet). I was also thinking Sauri would _not_ be the same bouquet you can give to Toriel in Chapter 1, since the trash can was said to already have a floral scent, and that way the secret boss would still be available even if you didn't give her the bouquet. If you do, it becomes another hidden character that will tell you a bit about Sauri's backstory - specifically, alluding at his interaction with Gaster - the way Seam and the Addisons do for Jevil and Spamton. Since Seam deduced from Spamton's Shadow Crystal being in the NEO Robot that the robot was very important to a Lightner long ago, it seems to be connected to how Shadow Crystals are formed. Thus, all the previous bouquets that Asgore sent and Toriel discarded (which you can find in a horrific graveyard of Flower Darkners where you fight Sauri) all likely had Shadow Crystals, which Sauri may somehow power up with, thus requiring the protection of the Shadow Mantle that Seam mentioned you'd need.
Holy shit, even just *one* Shadow Crystal was enough to make Jevil and Spamton NEO into harder fights than their respective Main Bosses! If there's *that* many Shadow Crystals in one place, all being used at once by a single entity, Sauri would probably about as powerful as a weak Lightner! I think it's also possible that the [[True Knowledge]] was passed down from Bouquet to Bouquet.
Maybe that means they would have different personalities based on the soul colours they are, such as green flowey being kindness or orange being bravery
O M G That, my friend, is the best remix of "your best friend" i have ever heard... I was humming the music when it start with the leigtmotif if asgore and was like "No real shit ?!" Thank you, truly
Fun Fact: I tried to make Flowey's animation in the video reflect that feeling of surprise a little. Like, he's bopping along to the music, and then suddenly a leitmotif shows up that feels a bit too personal to him and really rubs Flowey the wrong way.
The concept of this hypothetical version of Flowey seems more like a sad lonely kid who was made for love but constantly rejected by one of his own parents if given the chance to show that love to them rather than a angry little kid trying to be edgy. Probably still soulless considering that’s the very concept of Flowey to begin with, but Darkners don’t tend to show their SOULs since they aren’t actually living beings but things literally brought to life by Kris’ imagination. At least that’s how I see things. The dark worlds are literally brought into existence through Kris’ psyche.
Imagine if flowey shows up in chapter 3, becomes friends with kris, and kris decides to take the bouquet (which he’d likely be) out of the trashcan and brings it to a better place (either castle town or their own room) without our input.
If flowey is a nice character then I could see that happening, remember, it's a trash can, flowey will be picked up by the garbage truck and be (properly) disposed of. In this hypothetical scenario, Kris would obviously don't want that to happen, and will try to bring it to castle town.
I think that each of the flowers in Flower King will all become "Floweys" that serve as the "hosts" of that dark world (think King, Queen and "Mike"/TelevisionGuy), whenever that place becomes one, but the golden Flowey will have some deeper knowledge
Flowey as the secret boss makes so much sense with the secret boss themes Freedom: Flowey would be from the flowers Asgore gave Toriel, always dumped in the trash, but just wantjng to be free and see the sun once again Hard: Omega Flowey. Loved by the fandom: The simple reason we speculate it will be flowey is bc we love Flowey and no one can negate that The only bad part is that Flowey is not originally from Deltarune, but idk i just want flower
The motif of freedom is interesting because the idea can have so many different interpretations. Jevil equates chaos and nihilism with the freedom to do whatever he wants, while Spamton equates freedom with the idea of heaven and freeing oneself from puppeteer's strings (like Pinnochio, complete with long nose). An idea I had for Flowey's case is the freedom of sweet release. Since flowers from the Light World are still living creatures which don't die immediately after being plucked, it's possible this Dark World Flowey retained some semblance of memory from before -- impressions from being cultivated in Asgore's garden, the warmth of actual sunlight. And all of Asgore's doubts, lovesickness, and crippling grief being poured into his creations. And the final rejection of Flowey's slated purpose of familial reconciliation. I would think Flowey never wanted to be any more cognizant than a simple flower, and resents Kris for creating this Dark World and saddling him with the collective emotional baggage of the Dreemurr family. If only he could be free of all that, and return to how things were... (I should really keep a story planner instead of off-loading my thoughts in self-indulgent UA-cam comments. Sorry for the essay.)
@@GlassesFreekJr. Honestly i love reading character essays, even more for characters we dont even know if we will see(mike/dt flowey) and those are great ideas! I also think that this Flowey would have a slight grudge against toriel, since Asgore seems to care very much for his flowers so seeing Toriel just throwing away both him and Asgore's love would have at least some grudge I do think Dark World Flowey would at least know what Kris did, since the trash can is right there and i think for the final in battle dialogue it would reference him knowing kris's secret (Also while writing this i realised i have 0 naming consistency and any inconsistencies after "Dark World Flowey" are intentional)
@@JocaPlays87 Frankly, for the following music composition I'm planning a short animated "cutscene" to go along with it where Flowey goes on a short motivation rant. All these comments are the gold mine I never knew I needed.
It's Photoshop Flowey, not Omega Flowey. Though in this instance maybe After Effects Flowey would make more sense, considering Photoshop is the Human Souls' thing.
Can you imagine that when Asriel enters the Dark world, he has a Flowey-style Suit or God Asriel-style from Undertale pacifist route? It would be very incredible
For people that says this would never happen because Flowey is Asriel in Undertale, I have something to say. Deltarune is set in a different universe, you can see that's the case because Alphys and Undyne doesn't know eachother or Catty and Bratty hate eachother.
IDEA: The bunker would, perhaps lead to the area where Frisk in UT fell. Many, many, many years ago, Flowey, Frisk and Chara combined their determination and the six souls to destroy the barrier. However, this disrupted in the runs tobdcome slitly corrupted, making every monster who moved to the surface to forget about it all. The ones left are Flowey, Chara and Frisk. They make sure that whoever might find themselves in this place and trschthem about the Los history
Gosh I sure hope Flowey appears in Deltarune for real; they were my favorite character in Undertale and it would be really cool if they were finally separate from Asriel (it's what I'd hoped for in the first place please do not judge.) You can hear their theme in the carhorns in chapter 2 so I'm still holding out hope.
@@keklord4128 Maybe but I've always used they/them for Flowey back before I knew their history but never bothered stopping because it still felt right.
god, i can't stop coming back to this. your interpretation of asgore and toriel's relationship, your unique take on flowey, how well this piece of music encapsulates that vision.... man. it's great
i feel like in a new chapter flowey will appear in asgores shop not as a boss but as a new friend and helper on the shop and this theme would play when you meet him
Seven Darkner Flowers And *ALL* of them want to be your best friend. Well, all but one. One seems a bit shy but tries to make friends with you anyways and is really boisterous about it, one wants to get back at those who hurt you, even if it was an accident, one heals you and then some, one kinda accidentally knocks down a building, one is calm, cool, and collected, and tries to make friends with you last out of the bunch, kinda overwhelming you with ice breakers, games, and all that, and one tries to make friends with you a *lot*. Oh, and that other one... kinda just disappears. And kinda holds the others at thorn-point just before the Fountain to get them to attack you so that you don't seal it.
it would be weird for Flowey to appear in DR, but this is such a cool concept and nice DR cover! I like how he looks kind of upset and angry every time his tune goes to another motif. He knows. Flowey knows.
Nearly everyone in Deltarune would be wanting to know where the lily guy came from, only for him to point St the player with his vines, making everyone scared. And his face looks like he's staring directly at you...
It would be so awesome if at the end of deltarune chapter seven, the very end of the whole game, flowey appeares and says something along the lines of "Back again, I see? (name), you really have nothing better to do, do you." Kinda showing how he knows how you've played undertale and how your back again for another game.
It would be sick seeing toby play with our minds using flowey in deltarune to see if we would still trust at leadt a little this guy and totally break our expectations
Flowey but Asriel's Soul didn't shatter and was absorbed by the Flower along with his Dust except kinda not because His Theme would absolutely be in there so really this is more like Flowey is his own being and has a Soul, possibly having been adopted by the Dreemurrs.
Wow, I really like this mediaval-ish version of his theme, which I guess was the intention because the flower shop is named flower king, so this mediavel-type theme would be in there for sure
I mean it does take place in toriels house and there's flowers in the garbage can so I could see an alternate flowey being something like a secret boss, maybe even as an alternate omega flowey.
Despite the summary you gave, I can also see this as a theme for Flowey in an AU where Asriel didn’t become “soulless” as Flowey. As a result, he’s genuinely nice and wants to be your friend. However, to keep him in the role as antagonist, he could have abandonment issues and fear of losing loved ones from the trauma of his death and the plan he and Chara made going awry. The fact you used Asgore’s theme in this version builds on the foreshadowing of the concept well.
I badly want to see flowey again, I'd love to see flowey as a secret boss or maybe help you accidentally and just leaving but anything, maybe a good flowey? but I love the idea of flowey being evil again, or maybe after defeating flowey and flowey realising that in this new world you can't die, your forced to escape the battle and then trying to attack again
Flowey "Why hello there old pal. Gee, it's sure been a while hasn't it?" Susie "Old pal? The hell do you mean? We've never met you?" Flowey "Oh no no no, I wasn't talking to you guys."
SUSIE: Kris do you know the guy? FLOWEY: Hey, you know its rude to talk when someone else is talking! RALSEI: Well, would you care to tell us who exactly you're talking to? FLOWEY: Nope. KRIS: Wha-? FLOSEY: Anyway, I'll see ya later on. Another place, another time... Player =)
Either this represents the flowers in the trash or this could be a later chapter character because like someone said a dark fountain could appear in asgore flower shop
holy crap, it's your best friend but different not only in adding some harmonies but throwing in melodies and soundfonts toby's been using recently, and it's not copy paste either and manages to make original melodies that replicate toby's newly developed composition style.
This idea for Flowey in Deltarune is geniuenly so good, that it made me desperate for him to make an appearance. He was my favorite in Undertale and i would die if i get to see him in DR. Excellent job with the track, too!! It has a lot of thought put into it and i admire that in any song 🌼 I also love the sprite work!! The colors are nice and bright and the shading is spectacular!! Flowey's new expressions are so cute too!!
If he were a Secret boss, I’d imagine his items would be something like this: [Genocide Route] Item Name: ThornSword [Only for Kris] Description: A sword with vine-like growths running down the blade, thorns sprout from the vines to inflict devastating damage. +Attack *way* up. -Halves current defense Equip dialogue: Kris:[...] Susie: [Ow! The hell? I can’t hold it!] Ralsei: [S-Sorry kris, but I don’t think that’d be a good idea] [Pacifist Route] Item Name: Golden Petal [Only available for Ralsei{ Description: A large golden petal, when you hold it up to your ear, you can hear it giggling. +Magic *way* up +Defense moderately up -Attack reduced to zero. Kris: [...?] Ralsei: [Did you hear something?] Susie: [Im not carrying that thing around, it sucks ass.]
Cool items! However, I think for the Golden Petal, Magic should be 0, Defense should skyrocket, and attack should be better. Flowey's no monster, after all! He's a physical being!
you know what i'd like to believe? i'd like to believe this version of Flowey is still Asriel, but instead of being dying and turning into a soulless flower, it's his dark world form, but he retains his soul and ability to feel. i know you're saying that Deltarune's versions of Asriel and Flowey would be different, but this is a possibility too, ya know?
this is such a good idea and is actually incredibly unique in the way that i've seen all secret boss fan concepts be centered around the tv. while this one would be a character based off of one from undertale, it is entirely new with the fact that it's not tv-based. also the analysis is killer, i love it!
Imagine in a future chapter, there being a dark fountain on asgore's shop and having flowey as secret boss.
OMG YOU GAVE ME AN IDEA FOR FUTURE CHAPTERS!!!!
The area with the weird door out side could have a dark world 2!!
Maybe in chapter 4,
MAYBE EVEN SANS HOUSE NEXT!!!
I was thinking about it yersteday! And now, is clear my theory about UA-cam watching us and not us watching It, is correct!
Sorry If my inglish is bad, I am brazilian.
@@calebartboy7620 Dude the red door is obviously going to be a dark world. How would it not be one, considering they are two closed ominous doors?
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If there isn't I'm gonna be disappointef
How Flowey's eyes frequently dart to the left, particularly whenever the melody goes into Don't Forget, and how this is never directly acknowledged, implies to me that Ralsei is standing just off screen with a gun.
Don't Forget
I gotta gun in the dark.
*Analysis:*
Flowey, if he were to show up in Chapter 3, would be a somewhat different beast than his Undertale counterpart on account of their drastically divergent origins. Emerging in the Dark World from Asgore's floral bouquets which Toriel disposes of in her kitchen trash can, this Flowey would be the incarnation of Asgore's yearning for familial connection and Toriel's rejection of such. Hence, the prominent reprise of "Bergentrückung" backed by elements of Toriel's "Heartbreak" leitmotif in the bridge of this piece.
This Flowey, by his mere presence, would also act as a bizarro reflection of Ralsei and a major impetus for his character development. Both shroud themselves and their motives with a mask of congeniality, though whether or not those are their legitimate emotions are up in the air for either party (I tried to invoke that feeling of upbeat innocence by using soundfonts from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon. Did it work?).
Appropriately, a melodic segment of "The Legend" (Ralsei's motif) can heard as the song's second verse diverges into fresh territory, but it quickly develops in a different direction to used as a stepping stone towards the bridge. Or, depending on how big a hypothetical role Flowey'd actually have, it could also foreshadow importance to the Legend as a whole.
(After all, "Your Best Nightmare" is *not only* reprised in "Digital Roots" in the basement where you fight Spamton NEO, but that same six-note melody is alluded to heavily in "The Dark Truth" during Ralsei's explanation of the Roaring. This isn't headcanon, go compare the two. It's arranged differently, but that distinctive "down a step, up a leap" progression is a dead ringer.)
There would be a pivotal difference, I feel, between Ralsei and Flowey in this hypothetical. Flowey the Flower was grown with tender care as an emissary of reconciliation, only to be be cruelly deprived of that purpose and thrown away. Ralsei, on the other hand, seems to have been abandoned from the beginning, with only an immutable, destined purpose to hold him together.
Returning to the climax of this song: If you listen closely enough, the interplay between Bergentrückung and Heartbreak breaks into a faint excerpt from "THE WORLD REVOLVING" in the tradition of Deltarune's secret bosses. After all, what is the destitution of one's hopes and dreams but yet another form of freedom?
Like this a lot.
flowey being the flowers in the trashcan is brilliant
I really like that idea of what Deltarune capther 3 could be like (it even seems to be very canon), almost everyone thinks that the third chapter is going to be exclusively from the world of television because of the fact that Mike's smile appears in television at the end of the second chapter, but in reality this may be different.
The sources of the first and second chapters are opened in small rooms where there are things that are more specific such as that in the first one is a room where toys and table games are kept and that in the second it is in a computer room while the third is not a room about something in specific, but it is in Toriel's house since in the end Kris leaves the door of the house open, indicating that the possible dark world of chapter 3 is of the objects that are at home of Toriel including the flower in the trash, remember that Toby Fox left a hint from chapter 2 in the first chapter, right in the computer room and not only that, but the golden flower in the middle that we see in the Asgore's shop could be a hint that Flowey was to appear in Deltarune Chapter 3.
It could be said that this almost confirmed of Flowey will be able to appear in Deltarune. It would also be interesting that thanks to Flowey you could get to know Asriel in more depth or how he could influence the story.
(By the way, I really like music, it suits the aesthetics of Deltarune and the personality of this version of Flowey.)
@@makkimkokie2286 just let people enjoy thing
Flowey doesn’t even exist in Deltarune because Asriel wasn’t even attacked by humans AT ALL, in fact, Monsters are in the surface but the story will be very different from Undertale and also Flowey is the reincarnation and in case you didn’t know, Asriel is in college right now and you need to focus on the lore rather than making music about old characters that are NOT going return in the game
He's emitting a pleasant floral scent
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Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
@@charlie4christ536 Agreed, but I think this looks like part of the Protestant version of the Bible because of the Shakespearean English, which is not as good as the Catholic version of the Bible, so, if you, @Charlie4Christ, are a Protestant, then please convert to Catholicism.
Indeed
@@charlie4christ536 Shut up, this isn't the place to do that, and I'm not even talking about this video but UA-cam comments themselves bro
The neurotoxins are just floral-scented.
I love how Flowey started to get a little scared when "Finale" starting playing, it's like he has war flashbacks when he hears it. really nice touch
unknown, yet somehow familiar..?
isn't that ASGORE/Bergentrückung
@@doublecsquared theres a finale part where he gets confused and a bergentrucking part where he gets sad.
@@splendidspecimin where’s the finale part?
Honestly I could see Flowey being in a future chapter, but many elements of his character become extremely different due to how he isn’t exactly Asriel in this. Reading the comment from the creator Id imagine Flowey would probably be less conniving and backstabbing and more nosey and desperate for friendship. He’d be overbearing to an extreme degree to probably represent the way Asgore can be in the overworld. This addition could still allow him to be forceful or violent if it allows him to achieve his goal, like maybe he’d either only really care about Frisk or Toriel with little to no care for any other lightener, Darkner, etc. maybe even this nature could affect how you’d fight the secret boss if they continue to be kinda personal like Spamton was
Frisk? They are not on Deltarune.
@@JJ18355 I think they meant Kris
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Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Charlie4Christ thanks for being concise, but no thanks since no one asked for your bot comment.
@@charlie4christ536 wait Christ died for our sins when? i did not saw that
I love the idea of flowey being the bouquet asgore gave to toriel that she put in the bin!
Also I just love flowey, and this'd be a dream come true. Yeah i'd love him to be kind but it'd be the ultimate Toby move to actually make him evil because people think he's gonna be nice.
Ah, the ol' double subversion.
Oh yeah! Because Kris made a fountain at their house!
I doubt it would be Flowey but a flower character seems likely. Flowey is Asriel so it wouldn’t make sense for them to exist together
@@nafin9063 not in this game
Asgore isn't the King and Toriel isn't the Queen
they don't have to follow the same rules smh
Flowey could look exactly like DR Flowey while being a different character
Not sure entirely if he'd be nice or not. He has a lote of hate poured into him from toriel throwing him away over and a over again lul. Or maybe just irritation.
If Flowey DOES appear in Deltarune, it'd most like be if a Fountain is created in Asgore's shop. Perhaps a secret boss even.
Edit: HOLY [Cungadero] THERE'S LIKES HERE! (why? It's just a simple statement)
but, you know, asriel is flowey kinda..
does that mean asriel's is actually dead and not in college, and that his remain is in one of asgore flowers?
@@axolotlinabucket1287 isreal
@@Kaszalotka_
shit
didn't even notice
oh well, Palestine In Undertale Conformed?
@@axolotlinabucket1287 Israel vs Palestine in deltarune very poggers
@@axolotlinabucket1287 flowey is just a golden flower with injected determination, and dust. darkworld turns inanimate objects to living creatures, so all the flowers can be sentient beings in a dark world.
i like how flowey is colored in this one because he's a darkner now
I actually kind of dig this concept? It has actual thought put into it and I generally find it quite interesting
This is the result of not having enough energy to write fanfiction about it.
I'm glad someone unearthed a good joke
@@funfox1552 *ground*
@@alexhiser4073 that's it you're grounded
I absolutely ADORE the PMD soundfont! Great job with this!
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Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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@@plushmariogaming Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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@@electrical-420 I'm no comment bot :( you hurt my feelings dawg... Just tryna spread the message 🙏🏿🙏🏿
Asriel in Undertale said there are other Floweys out there, and the concept of Flowey himself doesn’t have to be specifically tied to Asriel, for those arguing it couldn’t happen. For example, what if another monster died the same way Asriel did in Undertale, and not Asriel himself? The result would still be Flowey, just with some differences depending on the character. Flowey in Deltarune could simply be a flower brought to sentience by the Dark World’s magic and maybe they would base their personality off of what happened around them in the Light World.
"There are other Floweys out there" was probably referring to people who will do anything to achieve their goals, not specifically a flower themed reincarnation
Taking that into account, Spamton and Jevil would fall under "other Floweys" as would the player
@@Lunalite I know it was more of a metaphor but I still think people are being silly since this could tie into it and mostly because there’s no real reason a Flowey couldn’t appear. If people don’t think it will that’s fine but some seem to act like it’s objective fact.
@@TheCJBrine Personally I just think having just Flowey exist in a game that's desperately trying to NOT be Undertale would cheapen the experience but hey to each their own
If anything I think it'll be extremely likely that the game makes a couple off-handed references to Flowey like it has to the God of Hyperdeath and Mettaton
@@Lunalite you make a fair point, but since the game already has clear ties to Undertale anyway, with the various characters in Hometown, I personally think it’d be fine and cool if Flowey was different from the one in Undertale with a different reason for existing.
It may very well just be references though, like the flowers in Asgore’s shop.
I also don’t really think Flowey appearing is very likely myself tbh, I just don’t agree with people’s reasons against the possibility.
@@TheCJBrine Well it's meant to be a parallel story so any other character being there makes sense from a story perspective
What's more likely in my opinion is another kind of plant-like hidden boss
Everyone is talking about him being in a chapter with Asgore's Shop, but if you think about it, there ARE flowers in Kris' trashcan...
Personally, I enjoy this little mix of the tunes to make a Flowey feel "real" if he every appeared in Deltarune.
It'd be nice to se him in a somewhat sarcastic and "know-it-all" state, but genuinely caring and not at all evil. It'd be a funnier and a nice side to see.
He was a very good character, but we never got to see the nicer side of Flowey in Undertale too often.
Ok maybe a little bit of evil, but it's nothing too serious. Just beating the shit out of you for your own good. Don't worry, his floral scent counts as a healing projectile!
"fLoWeY cAnT bE iN ChAptEr 3 bEcAusE aSriEl-"
IT. DOSEN'T. *MATTER.* WHATEVER arguement you have doesn't matter, Toby can do whatever the hell he wants, he doesn't need Asriel in order to have Flowey in the game that HE IS MAKING. He can bring him in and make it work, I don't understand that it's this hard for people to conprehend, straight up saying that it's impossible for Flowey to be in the game, it is. It is defintely possible.
I mean wouldn’t it just be a different flower then since it wouldn’t take from him.
if flowey were to be in chapter 3, he'll just be a talking flower without determination, timeline bending powers, and PTSD
@@zenloks_1735 I mean determination is a thing in deltarune so he could have it
@@zenloks_1735 Toby would just have to come up with his own new lore as to why. Deltarune is a completely new world, what happens in Undertale doesn't mean a thing here.
At least right now.
Spamton NEO is pretty much evidence of this. Toby brought back Mettaton NEO even though it isn't Mettaton anymore he still made it work with many references to the Undertale counterpart.
Maybe for the theoretical genocide route of chapter 3, instead of messing with toriel or some other party member you manipulate flowey into doing all of the killing, causing him to become more and more like the undertale version until he betrays you at the end and you have to fight him
But Flowey would not have any reason to trust you and attack because ðe reason you could use Noelle to kill people is because she trusted you so it would be easy to convince her to do bad þings but wiþ Flowey. Flowey would have just met you so he would have no reason to help.
А кто знает, может быть у флауи здесь другой характер?)
@@churro1201 ð, very cool
@@churro1201 Ah yes, fellow þorn enjoyer.
@@officersoulknight6321 Ah yes.
The thorn.
I like the little detail of Flowey's expression changing when the Bergentrückung leitmotif strikes
Remember, Deltarune is Undertale with a way different story and added characters. There are the same characters in the background of everything, if one doesn't appear, they might still exist in the background. For all we know, we may see Frisk in a different chapter.
@MortyTheRedGuy or maybe Kris is a combination of Frisk and Chara
...?
I mean, they're designs resemble each others', so....
It isn't DR is it own thing besides a few characters from UT
I really like this idea for flowey, because no one has pointed out it wouldn’t even be changing g his character much. In undertale he mistakes you for chara and gets pretty close to you in some *roots*, because he wants chara back
Here he can be desperate for a friend in general, making him do some horrible things to not lose you, not making him a bad person, but still an antagonistic person, like how he was I undertale
Ok so this comment didn’t ACTULLY blow up but I feel really happy about it so I’ll just do some dialogue
* oh, OH! OH HOWDY!
* YOU MUST BE THE LIGHTNERS AND THE PRINCE OF LEGEND!
* oh it is such a joy to finally meet you three! Im Flowey! Flowey the Darkner, but I look like a flower, so Flowey the flower also works!
What he says next depends on what you’ve done before this, whether it’s violence most of the way through, snowgrave, or pacifist
Pacifist:
* Boy have I heard about you, The kindest folk!
* going around, befriending everyone! I guess you could say you’re quite a big shot!
* …hehe, this next part might sound crazy
* but I’d love to be a friend of yours! A party member! Your Fond Acquaintance!
* what do you say pal?
*yes / *no
What you choose doesn’t matter, as Susie just gets creeped out and insults him
* wh-what? B-but I’m flowey the flower!! I-I
* Im your very best friend
* Grrrr, fine then
* have it your way
* but I promise I’ll be back to be an even better friend than that ugly dumbass Dino and gender confused goat
Violence
* Boy have I heard some scary things about you, running around scaring people. But a legend needs to be fulfilled! You go! You can do anything!
* well, let me let you in on a little secret
* this flower. . .
* H A S T H O R N S
* and if you need an extra fighter, I’d be more than happy to help! What do you say, partner?
* Yes/No
No matter what you say, ralsei will interrupt you and say how they aren’t exactly about violence or something
* But all the other darkners said you were! Are you lying to me? Quit pulling my ropes, I’m really not an idiot!
* Fine then, have it your way
* but I promise to be as harsh as possible to the others, just like you, because I’m your best partner
Snowgrave
* Boy, you suuuure seem cold dontchya?
* well
* I’ll let-
* wait, why are you staring at me like that? Having dejavu?
* what? freezing people? Berdly? A scary string monster
* … I see
* You want to fulfill your own prophecy
* THATS A WONDERFUL IDEA!
* I’ll help you on the way partner, just keep this a secret between you and me, we can’t have any more unwanted visitors listening
* it’s rude to talk about people who are listening yknow
* Well, Toodles!
I imagine if flowey ever appears in deltarune they won’t be evil and will be an actual nice character and possibly even a teammate
We already have ralsei
Flowey might appear. The list of good dark world places does include Asgore's flower shop, so imagine if we end up in some portion of Undertale.
@@A_G_w_R the thing is since flowey would be so overly-attached to the point where it would be deadly (mimicing asgore but intensified). they would become the secret boss by being so over attached to you to the point where they discover the soul and want to take it out to "Free kris" so they can be friends, which is where the fight starts.
@@AcousticJammTheGamer toriel has flowers in her trashcan
@@theman933 Depending on if you give her the flowers from Asgore.
if flowey would be a character, he would most likely be a darkner that came out of asgore/asriel's belongings
I like too imagine that the flowey here would be like how he was before all the resets he did, back when he was still clinging onto his beliefs of him being asriel.
Except instead of him being asriel it's Asgores broken marriage. Even though flowey knows that it's gone he still thinks these 2 are together.
So pretty much hes just the flowers in the trash can
Flower knows a lot about timelines and maybe even the place he's in. Like he knows as much if not more than sans undertable. The implications and what he would say in general would he immense.
Would make sense for him to have the [[True Knowledge]] about the Dark World, and some info on his Light World location. He probably wouldn't have meta-knowledge tho.
Flowey Emotions Awww , Good Video Bro!
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"Golly, Kris!"
"When I first met you, I thought you were just some snot-nosed teenage nobody, prancing around to fulfill some magic prophecy in a mystical wonderland without a care in the world!.."
"..I thought with your human SOUL, I could use its power to leave this little facade we call a dark world with my form still intact!"
"..."
"..But there's more to it than that, isn't there, Kris?"
"Hee hee hee.."
"You know someone, don't you?"
"The one just outside of anyone's reach!"
"You know, a SOUL with ties like that can be used for so much more than a vessel to control a puny flesh puppet."
"And soon enough, Kris, you.. well, you'll see exactly what I mean in a moment!~"
"All you have to do.."
*"..is hold s t i l l ."*
Wait, considering We are the soul, wouldn’t that mean we would control Flowey then?
@@officersoulknight6321 Now that's what I call a real [[Deal Gone Wrong]]
@@officersoulknight6321 what if Flowey doesn't absorb the soul and instead uses it as a tool?
Imagine this scene with the 'Undertale Yellow OST: 106 - gotcha ;)' playing
Alright, you know what guys? If Flowey is in chapter 3 and/or is a little less violent than his Undertale counterpart and is just lonely and hopeful for a friend, I can officially say Flowey is freaking adorable. (Grant it we also don't get a visit from good old Omega.)
Or Photoshop.
@@insidelucidream Aren't Omega and Photoshop the same thing?
@@twilight_potato I meant that's another way to say it, but I get that you may be confused.
@@insidelucidream they are the same thing though?? currently your confusing me with your shakespeare soundin speech.
@@AlmondTheGuy It doesn't sound like Shakespeare at all.
don't know if you wrote the poem in the description but the way you managed to describe the flowey plot in a few words while toby took an entire game is amazing. Also, the way you figured out how to implement flowey in deltarune without asriel necessarily having to be connected with flowey is very interesting. I think it managed to represent well in the song too, in the background of that annoyingly cute song, we can see that flowey hides a deep sadness and rage thanks to the motifs of asgore and heartache.
Anyway, sorry for the essay, I just couldn't help noticing how talented you are, if youwanted you could even write a movie script (=
(Sorry for the bad English, i'm Brazilian.)
Thanks a bunch for the compliments! That poem was really a spur of the moment thing; I'm really glad people like it!
(Your English is also surprisingly good, don't see any problems except for minor grammar issues and the occasional typo. Keep up the good work.)
I adore this idea, although I'm not sure it would be "Flowey" specifically, only because we see the golden flower that becomes Flowey in UT in Asgore's shop, but it could still be a flower character.
My personal idea was that it could be a purple hyacinth (represents reconciliation) named Sauri (sounds like "Sorry," so he'd introduce himself with "Howdy! I'm Sauri!"), who turns out to be just one of many flowers, possibly even a hivemind (since there's more than one flower in a bouquet). I was also thinking Sauri would _not_ be the same bouquet you can give to Toriel in Chapter 1, since the trash can was said to already have a floral scent, and that way the secret boss would still be available even if you didn't give her the bouquet. If you do, it becomes another hidden character that will tell you a bit about Sauri's backstory - specifically, alluding at his interaction with Gaster - the way Seam and the Addisons do for Jevil and Spamton.
Since Seam deduced from Spamton's Shadow Crystal being in the NEO Robot that the robot was very important to a Lightner long ago, it seems to be connected to how Shadow Crystals are formed. Thus, all the previous bouquets that Asgore sent and Toriel discarded (which you can find in a horrific graveyard of Flower Darkners where you fight Sauri) all likely had Shadow Crystals, which Sauri may somehow power up with, thus requiring the protection of the Shadow Mantle that Seam mentioned you'd need.
Holy shit, even just *one* Shadow Crystal was enough to make Jevil and Spamton NEO into harder fights than their respective Main Bosses! If there's *that* many Shadow Crystals in one place, all being used at once by a single entity, Sauri would probably about as powerful as a weak Lightner! I think it's also possible that the [[True Knowledge]] was passed down from Bouquet to Bouquet.
Toriel : Something is wrong, Asrel would have been back home by now!
*Tap on Window*
Flowey/Asriel (Just outside window.) : Dude it happened again!
WHAT IF
In the flower shop dark world we meet multiple floweys?
Reminds me of me
NO we only need one
Maybe that means they would have different personalities based on the soul colours they are, such as green flowey being kindness or orange being bravery
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I love how he bounces to the music
it's his music after all
i wanna believe with all my heart and soul that if Asriel ever goes tot he dark world, his dark world look is just flowey
Asriel: "Why am I a Flower?!!"
*A few hours later*
Asriel: "You know what, I'm kinda used to this, like I've already done it in the past somehow..."
O
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That, my friend, is the best remix of "your best friend" i have ever heard...
I was humming the music when it start with the leigtmotif if asgore and was like "No real shit ?!"
Thank you, truly
Fun Fact: I tried to make Flowey's animation in the video reflect that feeling of surprise a little. Like, he's bopping along to the music, and then suddenly a leitmotif shows up that feels a bit too personal to him and really rubs Flowey the wrong way.
@@GlassesFreekJr. that's so cool, incredible job, truly ! Keep up like that !
If flowey appears in chapter 3, I'm getting the fuckin weed killer. We ain't dealing with that situation twice.
He'll be fine! As long as he doesn't find the massive pile of Shadow Crystals in the Trash Can! Y'know, the one full of thrown away bouquets of flow-
The concept of this hypothetical version of Flowey seems more like a sad lonely kid who was made for love but constantly rejected by one of his own parents if given the chance to show that love to them rather than a angry little kid trying to be edgy. Probably still soulless considering that’s the very concept of Flowey to begin with, but Darkners don’t tend to show their SOULs since they aren’t actually living beings but things literally brought to life by Kris’ imagination. At least that’s how I see things. The dark worlds are literally brought into existence through Kris’ psyche.
It's hard to remember sometimes that Flowey is indeed a kid at heart. Makes his actions in Undertale all the more chilling.
i M a G i N a T i O n
Imagine if flowey shows up in chapter 3, becomes friends with kris, and kris decides to take the bouquet (which he’d likely be) out of the trashcan and brings it to a better place (either castle town or their own room) without our input.
r/wholesomecomments
Also that would be cute as f
If flowey is a nice character then I could see that happening, remember, it's a trash can, flowey will be picked up by the garbage truck and be (properly) disposed of. In this hypothetical scenario, Kris would obviously don't want that to happen, and will try to bring it to castle town.
We need nice Flowey. the world needs him.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who saw the eerie smile on the TV at the end of chapter 2 and immediately made the connection to God Flowey.
omega/photoshop/X flowey
Even if Flowey is nice throughout a chapter he might be in, I won't be able to trust him.
Same😭
Funny how he gets peeved when the motif changes
who gave flowey the right to be so cute in this
I think that each of the flowers in Flower King will all become "Floweys" that serve as the "hosts" of that dark world (think King, Queen and "Mike"/TelevisionGuy), whenever that place becomes one, but the golden Flowey will have some deeper knowledge
The flowey conccil(idk how to spell halp)
Trust or not trust the flower? That's my dilema
I like how there's leitmotifs and the Flowey in the background changes emotions.
Flowey as the secret boss makes so much sense with the secret boss themes
Freedom: Flowey would be from the flowers Asgore gave Toriel, always dumped in the trash, but just wantjng to be free and see the sun once again
Hard: Omega Flowey.
Loved by the fandom: The simple reason we speculate it will be flowey is bc we love Flowey and no one can negate that
The only bad part is that Flowey is not originally from Deltarune, but idk i just want flower
The motif of freedom is interesting because the idea can have so many different interpretations. Jevil equates chaos and nihilism with the freedom to do whatever he wants, while Spamton equates freedom with the idea of heaven and freeing oneself from puppeteer's strings (like Pinnochio, complete with long nose).
An idea I had for Flowey's case is the freedom of sweet release. Since flowers from the Light World are still living creatures which don't die immediately after being plucked, it's possible this Dark World Flowey retained some semblance of memory from before -- impressions from being cultivated in Asgore's garden, the warmth of actual sunlight. And all of Asgore's doubts, lovesickness, and crippling grief being poured into his creations. And the final rejection of Flowey's slated purpose of familial reconciliation.
I would think Flowey never wanted to be any more cognizant than a simple flower, and resents Kris for creating this Dark World and saddling him with the collective emotional baggage of the Dreemurr family. If only he could be free of all that, and return to how things were...
(I should really keep a story planner instead of off-loading my thoughts in self-indulgent UA-cam comments. Sorry for the essay.)
@@GlassesFreekJr. Honestly i love reading character essays, even more for characters we dont even know if we will see(mike/dt flowey) and those are great ideas! I also think that this Flowey would have a slight grudge against toriel, since Asgore seems to care very much for his flowers so seeing Toriel just throwing away both him and Asgore's love would have at least some grudge
I do think Dark World Flowey would at least know what Kris did, since the trash can is right there and i think for the final in battle dialogue it would reference him knowing kris's secret
(Also while writing this i realised i have 0 naming consistency and any inconsistencies after "Dark World Flowey" are intentional)
@@JocaPlays87 Frankly, for the following music composition I'm planning a short animated "cutscene" to go along with it where Flowey goes on a short motivation rant. All these comments are the gold mine I never knew I needed.
@@GlassesFreekJr. wait if plants are living things
That makes flower a lightner by technicality.
It's Photoshop Flowey, not Omega Flowey. Though in this instance maybe After Effects Flowey would make more sense, considering Photoshop is the Human Souls' thing.
Can you imagine that when Asriel enters the Dark world, he has a Flowey-style Suit or God Asriel-style from Undertale pacifist route? It would be very incredible
at least im comfortable kicking flowey's ass if he's a secret boss knowing he's not asriel
The return of flowey wouldn’t be a bad idea at all
hearing the pmd soundfont threw me off so much oh my god i love it
Don’t worry it’s only your best friend
Smells like friendship
Flowey has dark thoughts so dark
One could say.
Darker yet darker.
I have no idea how Flowey would even work in deltarune but I'm here for it.
For people that says this would never happen because Flowey is Asriel in Undertale, I have something to say.
Deltarune is set in a different universe, you can see that's the case because Alphys and Undyne doesn't know eachother or Catty and Bratty hate eachother.
omg, I now want toby to put flowey in the next chapter. You did an amazing job with this.
When Flowey is a nice character
Honestly out of all of the following chapter prediction music this is my personal favorite
*Theory time*
The bunker is the entrance to the underground, but the underground we know is a dark world... Uh..
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The bunker would, perhaps lead to the area where Frisk in UT fell. Many, many, many years ago, Flowey, Frisk and Chara combined their determination and the six souls to destroy the barrier. However, this disrupted in the runs tobdcome slitly corrupted, making every monster who moved to the surface to forget about it all. The ones left are Flowey, Chara and Frisk. They make sure that whoever might find themselves in this place and trschthem about the Los history
@@spinedotlazuli1120k nice theory but I can just pay attention to how wrong that "teach them" is written.
@@kaulianpower yeah typos, am I right?
@@spinedotlazuli1120k they're funny unless you're in a group chat as you will get made fun of because of that for the rest of your life..
imagine the dark fountain making flowey according to the player's memories aka the soul
This sounds like if Flowey was genuinely nice.
Gosh I sure hope Flowey appears in Deltarune for real; they were my favorite character in Undertale and it would be really cool if they were finally separate from Asriel (it's what I'd hoped for in the first place please do not judge.) You can hear their theme in the carhorns in chapter 2 so I'm still holding out hope.
Aint flowey a "he" tho?
I second Kek Lord’s comment.
True, but i love him being apart of Asriel.
@@joshshrum2764 That's cool I respect your opinion.
@@keklord4128 Maybe but I've always used they/them for Flowey back before I knew their history but never bothered stopping because it still felt right.
god, i can't stop coming back to this. your interpretation of asgore and toriel's relationship, your unique take on flowey, how well this piece of music encapsulates that vision.... man. it's great
the leitmotifs of this is GOLDEN holyy-
i feel like in a new chapter flowey will appear in asgores shop not as a boss but as a new friend and helper on the shop and this theme would play when you meet him
Seven Darkner Flowers
And *ALL* of them want to be your best friend. Well, all but one. One seems a bit shy but tries to make friends with you anyways and is really boisterous about it, one wants to get back at those who hurt you, even if it was an accident, one heals you and then some, one kinda accidentally knocks down a building, one is calm, cool, and collected, and tries to make friends with you last out of the bunch, kinda overwhelming you with ice breakers, games, and all that, and one tries to make friends with you a *lot*. Oh, and that other one... kinda just disappears. And kinda holds the others at thorn-point just before the Fountain to get them to attack you so that you don't seal it.
it would be weird for Flowey to appear in DR, but this is such a cool concept and nice DR cover! I like how he looks kind of upset and angry every time his tune goes to another motif. He knows.
Flowey knows.
Imagine if it's not actually flowey but creature that based on YOUR memory, not Kris but "You" the one who controlled Kris
Nearly everyone in Deltarune would be wanting to know where the lily guy came from, only for him to point St the player with his vines, making everyone scared. And his face looks like he's staring directly at you...
holy crap he grew a leaf since undertale
If Flowey somehow made an appearance that would be a trip.
It would be so awesome if at the end of deltarune chapter seven, the very end of the whole game, flowey appeares and says something along the lines of
"Back again, I see? (name), you really have nothing better to do, do you." Kinda showing how he knows how you've played undertale and how your back again for another game.
by the nature of the place he would of more peaceful than in undertale
It would be sick seeing toby play with our minds using flowey in deltarune to see if we would still trust at leadt a little this guy and totally break our expectations
Imagine Omega Flowey as the secret boss.
it would be nice to meet flowey with a soul, so he can feel things
I Like It, It's Basically A More Upbeat Version Of Your Best Friend.
Flowey but Asriel's Soul didn't shatter and was absorbed by the Flower along with his Dust
except kinda not because His Theme would absolutely be in there
so really this is more like Flowey is his own being and has a Soul, possibly having been adopted by the Dreemurrs.
Why is no one talking about the poem in the description like come on it's seriously good (or I'm very easy to impress).
Toriel pulled NO punches at that last frame
Wow, I really like this mediaval-ish version of his theme, which I guess was the intention because the flower shop is named flower king, so this mediavel-type theme would be in there for sure
Whenever the Finale Lemotif plays and Flowey gets confused, I immediately think that he's thinking:
"Wait is that..."
*"OH GOD OH FUCK NOT AGAIN-"*
The PMD soundfont makes this so much better
I mean it does take place in toriels house and there's flowers in the garbage can so I could see an alternate flowey being something like a secret boss, maybe even as an alternate omega flowey.
From what everybody else is saying, if Toriel IS in Chapter 3, then Flowey could easily be a secret boss.
Despite the summary you gave, I can also see this as a theme for Flowey in an AU where Asriel didn’t become “soulless” as Flowey.
As a result, he’s genuinely nice and wants to be your friend. However, to keep him in the role as antagonist, he could have abandonment issues and fear of losing loved ones from the trauma of his death and the plan he and Chara made going awry.
The fact you used Asgore’s theme in this version builds on the foreshadowing of the concept well.
Nutdealer Chapter 4 UST:
Thou's Relatively Close Comrade
bruh imagine we had to went through undertale for chapter 3 that would be amazing
The various leitmotifs are the cherry on top. 👌
the fact he turns away when the motifs go away from his and he stops smiling is perfect
WAIT I FOT IT WRONG
I badly want to see flowey again, I'd love to see flowey as a secret boss or maybe help you accidentally and just leaving but anything, maybe a good flowey? but I love the idea of flowey being evil again, or maybe after defeating flowey and flowey realising that in this new world you can't die, your forced to escape the battle and then trying to attack again
Flowey "Why hello there old pal. Gee, it's sure been a while hasn't it?"
Susie "Old pal? The hell do you mean? We've never met you?"
Flowey "Oh no no no, I wasn't talking to you guys."
“Don’t look so surprised! What? You thought i wouldn’t recognize my best friend?”
SUSIE: Kris do you know the guy?
FLOWEY: Hey, you know its rude to talk when someone else is talking!
RALSEI: Well, would you care to tell us who exactly you're talking to?
FLOWEY: Nope.
KRIS: Wha-?
FLOSEY: Anyway, I'll see ya later on. Another place, another time...
Player =)
Either this represents the flowers in the trash or this could be a later chapter character because like someone said a dark fountain could appear in asgore flower shop
holy crap, it's your best friend but different not only in adding some harmonies but throwing in melodies and soundfonts toby's been using recently, and it's not copy paste either and manages to make original melodies that replicate toby's newly developed composition style.
Honestly I haven't been paying attention to Toby Fox's style. He has a new one, you say?
This idea for Flowey in Deltarune is geniuenly so good, that it made me desperate for him to make an appearance. He was my favorite in Undertale and i would die if i get to see him in DR.
Excellent job with the track, too!! It has a lot of thought put into it and i admire that in any song 🌼
I also love the sprite work!! The colors are nice and bright and the shading is spectacular!! Flowey's new expressions are so cute too!!
If he were a Secret boss, I’d imagine his items would be something like this:
[Genocide Route]
Item Name: ThornSword [Only for Kris]
Description: A sword with vine-like growths running down the blade, thorns sprout from the vines to inflict devastating damage.
+Attack *way* up.
-Halves current defense
Equip dialogue:
Kris:[...]
Susie: [Ow! The hell? I can’t hold it!]
Ralsei: [S-Sorry kris, but I don’t think that’d be a good idea]
[Pacifist Route]
Item Name: Golden Petal [Only available for Ralsei{
Description: A large golden petal, when you hold it up to your ear, you can hear it giggling.
+Magic *way* up
+Defense moderately up
-Attack reduced to zero.
Kris: [...?]
Ralsei: [Did you hear something?]
Susie: [Im not carrying that thing around, it sucks ass.]
Cool items! However, I think for the Golden Petal, Magic should be 0, Defense should skyrocket, and attack should be better. Flowey's no monster, after all! He's a physical being!
@@MintyMoron64 flowey in DR isn't the same as UT, because DR flowey is a darkner, so it would make sense he has access to magic
I can hear parts of "My Castle Town" and "Bergentrückung" and I think it's amazing.
And a little bit of Finale's slightly fancier version of Your Best Friend the time Flowey gets a bit uncomfortable after Bergentrucking.
ok for this music, i found you channel, and now in love with this track and you mashup.
you know what i'd like to believe? i'd like to believe this version of Flowey is still Asriel, but instead of being dying and turning into a soulless flower, it's his dark world form, but he retains his soul and ability to feel. i know you're saying that Deltarune's versions of Asriel and Flowey would be different, but this is a possibility too, ya know?
Even with playing undertale I would still exept the friendliness pellets
It's probably another Flowey because he got a leaf
Flowey will be the secret boss of Chapter 3
Wouldn't it be funny if Flowey was actually the secret boss? He does know about timelines and resets and everything.
This is a really cool idea, I could totally see this happening!
this is such a good idea and is actually incredibly unique in the way that i've seen all secret boss fan concepts be centered around the tv. while this one would be a character based off of one from undertale, it is entirely new with the fact that it's not tv-based. also the analysis is killer, i love it!
Flowey is so cute in this animation. I wanna give him a hug ❤