@@deathmetalswag those unnecessary 4 minutes of random noise after every song knock it down from masterpiece status. Cut that shit out and yes, it's incredible and on par with Deloused.
it takes me back to when they fired jon theodore and many years later regretted it and realized they were being immature. seeing how jim here is being a class act, maybe one day they might come to the realization that they might have been immature with jim too.
Yeah dude, Jim is such a nice dude. He's always been authentic, still in El Paso etc. And it sucks considering he co-founded the damn band with Cedric. I think people didn't realize how much Jim contributed until Sparta came around. I love all of them but Cedric is just an asshole. I hate to use the word but pretentious.
There is some serious professional rivalry that Omar clearly feels towards Jim. Even in the Clouds Hill Mars Volta box set, there is an unprofessional level of slagging off towards Jim. It couldn't have been easy for Jim, as a straight edge, playing in a band with heroin addicts. The fact that Jim has kept his composure and maturity throughout this whole saga speaks volumes, about both him and Omar
@@simongore29 the fact that his own cousin, Jeremy, his Sparta/AtDI bandmates Tony and Paul and Sparta's 2nd guitarist Keeley all choose Omar and Cedric speaks volumes over the media training Jim has had to make himself look good in interviews.
@@gtube1477 He sounds like there are hard feelings, but he's doing what he can to avoid making it personal, taking responsibility where it's due, and is accepting it.
seems like he prefers to blame himself, take all the fault up on him, and say that it is just a band anyways so no reason to be mad. Yet he clearly is extremely hurt by this. He seems like he isn't good at defending himself and standing up for himself and then got pushed over by some of the band members repeatedly (I can imagine who)
@@kulman4295yeah for sure, and there's limits and harmful ways of doing this, but i don't seem to think that here. what you mention point to someone being the bigger person. i can't say cause i'm not a witness to it all but i would be curious to hear paul's or tony's perspective even though it's not my business
In any social situation with a group of people, the sociopath always gets rid of the nice guy in the group first, he's in the way of all the scamming he wants to do.
They are great. El Paso is 2 hours from me and some years back there was an atomic age arts festival in my shitty town and I was surprised that sleepercar were gonna be there. It was a nice surprise.
i will always love omar and cedric for everything theyve ever done musically but i dont think i could imagine myself being friends with those guys seeing how many people found it difficult to be around them.For me, they dont seem like horrible people, they just seem difficult.
I totally agree. Alot of people have the same feelings especially in El Paso I know a bunch of people who played shows etc with them and they all said Cedric mostly was just really pretentious. And it definitely shows in a lot of what's been seen of him. Even in the old days "if you don't know who the fall is, you listen to too much hip hop and heavy metal" like the fall isnt even that great. When you look at bands like mc5 and even drive like jehu it's like c'mon Cedric you aren't unique dude. And I think it def showed in the later tmv albums.
@@ByTheLightOfABurningDonkey Same thing in LA. I used to see them around often. Especially in the echo park area. Being a big fan and all, I greeted them once at a Hella show and Omar gave me his back. Cedric was cool. But I remember at the time The Marsvolta was old news and I was thinking, fuck this guy, he’s in my neighborhood that I grew up in and he’s being a dick. Lame vato. They say it’s best not to meet your heroes. lol
Jim does a good job of sounding calm and reasonable but I just wonder how so many of Jim's people have chosen Omar and Cedric over Jim. Jim's cousin Jeremy played with TMV. ATDI and Sparta's Paul left Sparta to join TMV. ATDI drummer's Tony didn't stick by Jim's side when he was let go, and his role was replaced by someone else in Sparta. In the press, Jim definitely seems like the mature one but it just amazes me how all these people didn't stick by him. Makes you wonder what it's like outside of the press.
@@bradmohr8098 The kneejerk reaction is to assume a majority of people will always do the right thing when someone is getting picked on or singled out and stick up for what is right (in whatever form that may take in life). Painfully, the opposite really seems to be the standard. Most people will standby passively and go with the stronger personality out of fear or maybe even just join in on the fun to score brownie points with the instigator. Thats just being a regular person with regular groups of people you encounter. Ok, then add the temptation of money, fame, drugs, sex etc and people get real nasty. They say you don't know who your friends are until the chips are down, well I am here to tell you that you *REALLY* don't know who your friends are until the chips are up. Times of plenty and excess seem to bring out the truly bad stuff lurking inside a lot of people.
@@palehorse1111 that's a bold assumption to think every single person I named is going for the money or w/e by siding with Omar/Cedric. I guess it's impossible to imagine that Jim could actually be a real difficult person to be around in those situations. Even wilder to assume that in the case of Jeremy who was blood family.
@@RB-nl6qv If Jim had been really sour grapes to everyone and an obvious @sshole I wouldn't be saying this. He's come off rather reasonable and reluctant to throw stones.
Only him and them know what actual happened and the rest is speculating. It's irrelevant to judge if we don't know the facts and even if we'd know it's still not justified as we're not walking in their shoes. Cedric's voice is unmatched and so is Jim's. Two different characters parted ways and do their own thing. I am a fan of both and both have been a big part of my younger years. Whatever they're going through doesn't wipe out my memories of the life I lived and them being a big part of it. Amazing musicians, all of them.
If you really cant tell what happened, just look into Cedric and Omar a little bit. They were into a lot of things that Jim didnt want to be a part of. Those things were easier to avoid and less pervasive when they were teens and early 20s, but he didnt want to be a part of it now that he was an adult. Drugs and the drug lifestyle were a large part of it.
They told him couldn't co-write any of the new album, they demoted him to the privilege of being their auxiliary bitch guitar if wanted in on the tour.
@@dadmadedinner5456umm technically it's an EP you need to do your homework. JK JK 😂 I'm just being dumb. Hell yeah, metronome arthritis is kino. Raschuache, heliotrope etc damn I can't decide which song I like best lol
They have been together since they were kids... I love this band it was our band of the generation but think about this how many people are close now with their friends growing up. Egos and drama will rise no matter what. ATDI shows are a little weak it just seems forced.
He said a whole bunch of vague word salad. Obviously it was a contract dispute. That's always the case when a key player pulls out at the last minute. He probably made a bluff and got called on it.
I think Cedric mostly is just an asshole and demands complete control. Omar isn't as bad but still. Cedric seems like the kind of guy to have diva demands backstage.
Cedric and Omar are At the Drive-In. Jim, Paul, and Tony were great players in their own right, but they don't have that level of other worldly creativity of Cedric and Omar. Seriously, take those two out of the picture, and what are you left with? Sparta. Even though I would stick up for some of Sparta's cuts, it's obvious people care a lot less about them, in comparison to ATD-I or even Volta.
@@claustrophobe2222 Otherworldly creativity, sure, but to say At the Drive-In was Omar's band is insulting to Jim. At the Drive-In was Cedric and Jim's band, when Cedric and Jim originally couldn't work together anymore they split. Then by the time they re-united history was re-written to say it was Cedric and **Omar's** band (not to mention their egos) so they saw Jim as disposable. Omar wasn't even in the band for the first 2 years of it. He a bass player with minimal creative on my personal favorite ATDI album. Think about it, if they just told the public "we're going for a more post hardcore, throwback sound" Interalia could literally have been a MV album and nobody would have blinked since they really have no genre. It would have been different, yes, but that would have just been MV being MV. I like MV and I like Omar, he's probably objectively the best musician who played in ATDI.. but ATDI was Jim and Cedric's band. Period.
That's a good guess. He said he was the only one on a different page, that he couldn't do what they were doing physically or mentally. But he says he got dropped. Could they have dropped him because he demanded abstinence?
Yeah inter Alia was a very weak lacklustre album and I wish it never was released. I think El gran orgo E.P didn’t have Jim on though and I liked that.
I’m taking the middle ground and saying it was good, but not great. It had some good stuff on it but some tracks were undercooked. Tbh though, even if Jim had been in the band they would still have struggled to create anything that stepped out of the shadow of Relationship.
@@mattd1659 It was mediocre at best. A band like Atdi only works in their 20s. The production for inter alia by Omar wasn’t as good as Ross Robinson either. And frustrating enough he hated Robinsons production.
@@mojopin1997 Agree with you about the production. As much as they seemed to hate it at the time, the production really elevates RoC, and yeah, Inter did need some beefing up in places.
@@mattd1659 I do like the lead single governed by contaigons. However the vocals were poor on inter alia. . I don’t like Cedric’s singing voice anymore and it’s sad that everyone thinks the Mars Volta are more superior now and Atdi have been forgotten. Nothing Cedric or Omar ever do will better relationship of command and it’s excellent b sides.
Atdi will aways be king. I love tmv and sparta both, they both have their own unique plaxe but there was no denying that Sparta kept that atdi sound. The mars volta were great when they didnt let it get to their head. Not everything sounds good or has to be obscure etc. tremulant and the 3 albums rhat followed were the best tmv material. After that its like they assume we will all like what they like and thats when bands start to suck. When their influences are pushed on listeners. Yeah do what makes you happy but dont be an ass about it. Like rhe latest record, it was alright not great, its like someone doing or not doing something because they are stubborn. Oh well we just HAVE to fo against the grain and release a pop record trashing scientology and being super hypocritical about it. Tldr theres good and bad but i know who id rather have a beer and jam with and i know who i would get into an argument with regardless of how much i respect their art
All the Cedric and Omar simps in here. Example of sometimes fans making something insufferable. Tmv are far from flawless. They touch stuff that turns to shit too
Jim brought the melodies to ATDI, and the melodies are what made ATDI so memorable.
Jim is class. Respect to him. Thank you for being so respectful to the band I once loved.
We love you Jim. We seriously love you.
Jim was always the backbone of atdi. Whenever the band did stuff without him it showed
Frances The Mute is a masterpiece.
take it easy bubba
@@deathmetalswagFrances the mute was terrible and they shouldve been sent to prison over it, it was just that bad
@@deathmetalswag those unnecessary 4 minutes of random noise after every song knock it down from masterpiece status. Cut that shit out and yes, it's incredible and on par with Deloused.
Tony and Paul were the backbone. Drum and Bass.
I love Cedric and Omar but it seems like they can't stop being assholes to this man
it takes me back to when they fired jon theodore and many years later regretted it and realized they were being immature. seeing how jim here is being a class act, maybe one day they might come to the realization that they might have been immature with jim too.
Yeah dude, Jim is such a nice dude. He's always been authentic, still in El Paso etc. And it sucks considering he co-founded the damn band with Cedric. I think people didn't realize how much Jim contributed until Sparta came around. I love all of them but Cedric is just an asshole. I hate to use the word but pretentious.
There is some serious professional rivalry that Omar clearly feels towards Jim. Even in the Clouds Hill Mars Volta box set, there is an unprofessional level of slagging off towards Jim. It couldn't have been easy for Jim, as a straight edge, playing in a band with heroin addicts. The fact that Jim has kept his composure and maturity throughout this whole saga speaks volumes, about both him and Omar
@@simongore29 the fact that his own cousin, Jeremy, his Sparta/AtDI bandmates Tony and Paul and Sparta's 2nd guitarist Keeley all choose Omar and Cedric speaks volumes over the media training Jim has had to make himself look good in interviews.
@@RB-nl6qv tf does that mean jim is a fed or smth?
The decision to "remove" Jim is the reason the newest At the Drive in album didn't pop off with the fans.
Surely didn't help
Yeah..I listened to it once and was over it.
Sure Omar is a flashy guitarist but Jim is a true songwriter.
2:10 "Fool me once, shame? Shame on you! Fool me twice? Never get fooled again!" - George Dubya
Man, you can't argue with a single word of what he says at the very end of this.
Very well said Jim..
Cause he’s basically not really saying anything
@@gtube1477 He sounds like there are hard feelings, but he's doing what he can to avoid making it personal, taking responsibility where it's due, and is accepting it.
I love jim and without him there's no atdi.
What a childish statement, the reunion album is faaaaaaaaar better than acrobatic tenements.
Not as good as in/casino/out or RoC, though
@@Rodrigombia1990 dude that record sucks the bone
he seems to always be the bigger man in these situations
seems like he prefers to blame himself, take all the fault up on him, and say that it is just a band anyways so no reason to be mad. Yet he clearly is extremely hurt by this. He seems like he isn't good at defending himself and standing up for himself and then got pushed over by some of the band members repeatedly (I can imagine who)
@@kulman4295yeah for sure, and there's limits and harmful ways of doing this, but i don't seem to think that here. what you mention point to someone being the bigger person. i can't say cause i'm not a witness to it all but i would be curious to hear paul's or tony's perspective even though it's not my business
@@kulman4295he's honestly a better man than me. i would probably talk shit.
In any social situation with a group of people, the sociopath always gets rid of the nice guy in the group first, he's in the way of all the scamming he wants to do.
There's some real wisdom here
That was actually really lovely I agree with that ending too
Sleepercar is massively underrated. Go listen to them.
They are great. El Paso is 2 hours from me and some years back there was an atomic age arts festival in my shitty town and I was surprised that sleepercar were gonna be there. It was a nice surprise.
not a big deal, its punk, dude was in most of the bands discography. He already contributed as much as he should have.
i will always love omar and cedric for everything theyve ever done musically but i dont think i could imagine myself being friends with those guys seeing how many people found it difficult to be around them.For me, they dont seem like horrible people, they just seem difficult.
I totally agree. Alot of people have the same feelings especially in El Paso I know a bunch of people who played shows etc with them and they all said Cedric mostly was just really pretentious. And it definitely shows in a lot of what's been seen of him. Even in the old days "if you don't know who the fall is, you listen to too much hip hop and heavy metal" like the fall isnt even that great. When you look at bands like mc5 and even drive like jehu it's like c'mon Cedric you aren't unique dude. And I think it def showed in the later tmv albums.
@@ByTheLightOfABurningDonkey Same thing in LA. I used to see them around often. Especially in the echo park area. Being a big fan and all, I greeted them once at a Hella show and Omar gave me his back. Cedric was cool. But I remember at the time The Marsvolta was old news and I was thinking, fuck this guy, he’s in my neighborhood that I grew up in and he’s being a dick. Lame vato. They say it’s best not to meet your heroes. lol
Jim does a good job of sounding calm and reasonable but I just wonder how so many of Jim's people have chosen Omar and Cedric over Jim. Jim's cousin Jeremy played with TMV. ATDI and Sparta's Paul left Sparta to join TMV. ATDI drummer's Tony didn't stick by Jim's side when he was let go, and his role was replaced by someone else in Sparta.
In the press, Jim definitely seems like the mature one but it just amazes me how all these people didn't stick by him. Makes you wonder what it's like outside of the press.
Yeah. We know Cedric voted to kick Jim out and Omar didn't. That means Paul and Tony did.
@@bradmohr8098 The kneejerk reaction is to assume a majority of people will always do the right thing when someone is getting picked on or singled out and stick up for what is right (in whatever form that may take in life). Painfully, the opposite really seems to be the standard. Most people will standby passively and go with the stronger personality out of fear or maybe even just join in on the fun to score brownie points with the instigator. Thats just being a regular person with regular groups of people you encounter. Ok, then add the temptation of money, fame, drugs, sex etc and people get real nasty. They say you don't know who your friends are until the chips are down, well I am here to tell you that you *REALLY* don't know who your friends are until the chips are up. Times of plenty and excess seem to bring out the truly bad stuff lurking inside a lot of people.
@@palehorse1111 that's a bold assumption to think every single person I named is going for the money or w/e by siding with Omar/Cedric. I guess it's impossible to imagine that Jim could actually be a real difficult person to be around in those situations. Even wilder to assume that in the case of Jeremy who was blood family.
@@RB-nl6qv If Jim had been really sour grapes to everyone and an obvious @sshole I wouldn't be saying this. He's come off rather reasonable and reluctant to throw stones.
With Jeremy it was like idk man, he was already jamming with Omar and Cedric in DeFacto so maybe he was just closer to them.
Only him and them know what actual happened and the rest is speculating. It's irrelevant to judge if we don't know the facts and even if we'd know it's still not justified as we're not walking in their shoes. Cedric's voice is unmatched and so is Jim's. Two different characters parted ways and do their own thing. I am a fan of both and both have been a big part of my younger years. Whatever they're going through doesn't wipe out my memories of the life I lived and them being a big part of it. Amazing musicians, all of them.
ATDI was 110% better with Jim in it. They fucked up big time by removing him.
I love you, Jim!!! 1:51
If you really cant tell what happened, just look into Cedric and Omar a little bit. They were into a lot of things that Jim didnt want to be a part of. Those things were easier to avoid and less pervasive when they were teens and early 20s, but he didnt want to be a part of it now that he was an adult. Drugs and the drug lifestyle were a large part of it.
Omar and Cedric have been clean since restarting ATDI. Drugs is not an issue with this reunion
@@RB-nl6qv yeah, well sometimes people lie
@@palehorse1111 can’t just go off suspicions without proof tho
@@RB-nl6qv I know, just my anecdotal from friends I knew who became addicts.
@@palehorse1111 did your friends win grammys and start families while traveling the world with their talents? ha
Just say it straight man. Confusing.
Sounds like it's as simple as he doesn't get along with Cedric and or omar
They told him couldn't co-write any of the new album, they demoted him to the privilege of being their auxiliary bitch guitar if wanted in on the tour.
@@palehorse1111
That’s awful if that’s the case.
Love Jim
Whatever happened to the preview song they recorded when the reunion was announced? It sounded so good like something off of relationship of command
That was awesome and it didn't appear on the album. I've only ever heard on Twitter and they never released it.
Anyone have a link to that song?
@@ADGOyes please
Whats it called ???
@@blackspring3207 don’t know it was a small clip but it had the Arc Arsenal relationship of command style sound
I love Jim Ward. Best ATDI song is hands down HourGlass
In casino out is their best album, which is the most “Jim” album of their catalog.
And vaya
@@ByTheLightOfABurningDonkey Vaya is my 2nd favorite atdi album.
@@dadmadedinner5456umm technically it's an EP you need to do your homework. JK JK 😂 I'm just being dumb. Hell yeah, metronome arthritis is kino. Raschuache, heliotrope etc damn I can't decide which song I like best lol
At the drive in is HIS band he started it.
Yea, but he left for alittle bit there...
I'm pretty sure he didn't play on acrobatic tenement
@@johnnyscifi uh yes he did. He wrote most of the material and you can hear him sing back up especially on Starslight
@@johnnyscifi He didn't play on El Gran Orgo but he did on everything else up until 2016
He may have started it, but Cedric is the only one who was at every show, before the 1st breakup
what was the reason?
Omar and Cedric seem like a massive pain to deal with.
They have been together since they were kids... I love this band it was our band of the generation but think about this how many people are close now with their friends growing up. Egos and drama will rise no matter what. ATDI shows are a little weak it just seems forced.
He said a whole bunch of vague word salad. Obviously it was a contract dispute. That's always the case when a key player pulls out at the last minute. He probably made a bluff and got called on it.
Could he have demanded abstinence from drugs and they refused?
@@Metal_Horror No clue.
@@Metal_Horror look at cedric and omar's history. Omar has been clean since mid 00s' and Cedric got sober before Atdi reunion
I think Cedric mostly is just an asshole and demands complete control. Omar isn't as bad but still. Cedric seems like the kind of guy to have diva demands backstage.
Cedric and Omar are the reasons why ATDI went to shit
Honestly the very last ep was fire jim just over it either way Its not sleepercar😂
Cedric and Omar are At the Drive-In. Jim, Paul, and Tony were great players in their own right, but they don't have that level of other worldly creativity of Cedric and Omar. Seriously, take those two out of the picture, and what are you left with? Sparta. Even though I would stick up for some of Sparta's cuts, it's obvious people care a lot less about them, in comparison to ATD-I or even Volta.
@@claustrophobe2222 Otherworldly creativity, sure, but to say At the Drive-In was Omar's band is insulting to Jim. At the Drive-In was Cedric and Jim's band, when Cedric and Jim originally couldn't work together anymore they split. Then by the time they re-united history was re-written to say it was Cedric and **Omar's** band (not to mention their egos) so they saw Jim as disposable. Omar wasn't even in the band for the first 2 years of it. He a bass player with minimal creative on my personal favorite ATDI album. Think about it, if they just told the public "we're going for a more post hardcore, throwback sound" Interalia could literally have been a MV album and nobody would have blinked since they really have no genre. It would have been different, yes, but that would have just been MV being MV. I like MV and I like Omar, he's probably objectively the best musician who played in ATDI.. but ATDI was Jim and Cedric's band. Period.
Hedonism is such a participation sport.
Duh
I walked out of a Mars Volta gig, it was awful. Sparta live however were amazing. Jim Ward is the artist
Exactly. I second that
Was it a recent show? Like after their last album release, I mean.
I wonder what he's dancing around. Drugs?
Probably some of it.
Hes never reduced himself to trash talking. He's not about to start either...:)
@@johnnyscifi i mean he already kind of is, just very passive aggressively and then trying to be real polite about it afterward
That's a good guess. He said he was the only one on a different page, that he couldn't do what they were doing physically or mentally. But he says he got dropped. Could they have dropped him because he demanded abstinence?
@@att1413he's gotta defend himself somehow. Sometimes being passive aggressive is the way to go.
Kind of lionel messi style 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Yeah inter Alia was a very weak lacklustre album and I wish it never was released. I think El gran orgo E.P didn’t have Jim on though and I liked that.
Meh, it was actually really good. Don’t use this as an excuse to hate on it. You’ve never made a record that good. Guarantee it.
I’m taking the middle ground and saying it was good, but not great. It had some good stuff on it but some tracks were undercooked. Tbh though, even if Jim had been in the band they would still have struggled to create anything that stepped out of the shadow of Relationship.
@@mattd1659 It was mediocre at best. A band like Atdi only works in their 20s. The production for inter alia by Omar wasn’t as good as Ross Robinson either. And frustrating enough he hated Robinsons production.
@@mojopin1997 Agree with you about the production. As much as they seemed to hate it at the time, the production really elevates RoC, and yeah, Inter did need some beefing up in places.
@@mattd1659 I do like the lead single governed by contaigons. However the vocals were poor on inter alia. . I don’t like Cedric’s singing voice anymore and it’s sad that everyone thinks the Mars Volta are more superior now and Atdi have been forgotten. Nothing Cedric or Omar ever do will better relationship of command and it’s excellent b sides.
Atdi will aways be king. I love tmv and sparta both, they both have their own unique plaxe but there was no denying that Sparta kept that atdi sound. The mars volta were great when they didnt let it get to their head. Not everything sounds good or has to be obscure etc. tremulant and the 3 albums rhat followed were the best tmv material. After that its like they assume we will all like what they like and thats when bands start to suck. When their influences are pushed on listeners. Yeah do what makes you happy but dont be an ass about it. Like rhe latest record, it was alright not great, its like someone doing or not doing something because they are stubborn. Oh well we just HAVE to fo against the grain and release a pop record trashing scientology and being super hypocritical about it.
Tldr theres good and bad but i know who id rather have a beer and jam with and i know who i would get into an argument with regardless of how much i respect their art
All the Cedric and Omar simps in here. Example of sometimes fans making something insufferable. Tmv are far from flawless. They touch stuff that turns to shit too
sounds like some victim mentality with a lot of "buts"
Sin él en la banda NO ES AT THE DRIVE IN
Why not? Saw them in 2016 with Keely and it ruled.