Nurn - The Breadbasket of Mordor
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- In this video, we look at Nurn - the massive, southern, fertile region of Mordor that was responsible for feeding Sauron's endless armies.
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I speculate that had Sauron won the war, the Shireling Hobbits would have found themselves working in Nurn. Sauron might not have many good uses for Hobbits, but one thing that Hobbits are good at is farming, so I'd imagine this is what he would use them for.
a halfing trail of tears to Nurn 😥
Might be more likely that Sauron makes the Shire a second Nurn, his breadbasket of the West as Nurn is his foodsupply in the South.
And as a bonus, they likely taste great. So Sauron gets some livestock besides farmers
@@danielscheurwater2466 Yes I agree with you
Saruman had designs to industrialise the pipe-weed industry, you can see the beginning of this plan in the Scouring of the Shire.
I can imagine Nurn being much like the Salton Trough, in inland southern California. An agriculturally incredibly productive land, but also an ecological disaster, a place quite uninviting, desolate and sick, especially in the absence of modern technology, industry and planned irrigation systems. The Salton Sea is basically the Sea of Nurnen IRL based on the description of both. The Jordan River Valley with the Dead Sea is actually not so different either.
Maggoty breadbasket of Mordor.
Yep
Maggots are nutrinionally far superior to bread
Maggots are a good source of protein though it means less meat goes on the menu.
Basket of maggoty bread.
Yup, wouldn't want to work as a human soldier in his army.
😭
I think Aragorn gives the freed slaves a choice to stay and own Nurn so maybe it wasn't utterly horrid
True. It could be improved if worked by free folk.
And those folk became the Slavic people in our timeline, tell me this wasnt Tolkiens intention?
@@glennross85 Huh?
@@glennross85 no
@@MrChickennugget360 why not?
I became incredibly curious about this region back when I played Shadow of Mordor, as I had only recently seen the films at that point and knew nothing about the greater Legendarium. Reading more about what this region was, is what eventually caused me to dive deeper into Tolkien's world, so it'll always be special to me.
That's why I'm never scorched earth with adaptations. Even if they suck, there's still a chance they will get people deeper into the lore. And credit to the Shadow games, they did cover aspects of the lore that nothing else has.
@@DarthGandalfYT *looks at Rings of Power*
I'mma go take a nappy...
@@DarthGandalfYTthe first one was a lot better with the lore lol. Still had some contradictions but it was fun. The second one though…. Oh boy
@@lanceclement4087nothing was really accurate in the first, there are no rangers of the black gate, the rangers don’t know abt sauron, no necromancer orcs, celebrimbor as a character…
Shadow of mordor series are fun action games that happen to take place in middle earth, they are not meant to be taken seriously.
Given how fertile volcanic soil is, provided the poisonous fumes from Mt doom go west/don't contaminate the soil, and the smoke doesn't blot out the sun further south, Nurn could potentially be one of the most fertile regions in ME
Also sidenote: there is an optional battle map for Nurn in BFME as well, but it's all parched and barren so I was left wondering how any crops or livestock could possibly survive there 😂
more than likely Sauron had industrialized farming. he is very knowledgeable about science, and probably understood how to create synthetic fertilizers. probably had his orcs and slaves taking volcanic soil and mixing it with other things (bad things) to create fertilizers. more than likely slaves who died would be recycled into fertilizers.
A lot of Slaves worked the farms in Nurn so it makes sense
So my theory about the Sea of Nurnen is that it is like the dead sea in our world, so highly saline that nothing can live in it. This would makes sense as the sea of Nurnen has no outflow.
The Dead Sea, the Great Salt Lake, Lake Van... almost all lakes without an outlet eventually become salt water.
The problem is that it must be fertile to some extent, because its surrounded by arable land
@@generalgrievous2202The sea itself becomes an accumulation point for salt runoff from its tributary rivers over a long period of time but the rivers themselves can be or are outright fresh water. The people can use the rivers for irrigation and then harvest the sea itself for salt which was highly valuable in ancient and medieval times.
@@genghiskhan6809 that's true, plus, the salt could be useful for preserving meat on long marches, as we know the orcs eat loads of meat.
@@genghiskhan6809 Such a large sea would also create a climate around it where water from it evaporates, forms into clouds and then rains down in the surrounding lands, with the mountain ranges acting as natural barriers. So you don't necessarily even need to rely on the rivers for irrigation.
Do not forget the logistics Mordor. Logistics are something fundamentally essential in or out of any kind of war as somebody is gonna have to make sure the conveys of supply chains and land marks are still at peak efficiency. It is said amateurs talk strategy but professionals study logistics.
And Sauron is the most toxic 4X player to rule them all.
I imagine there’s an extensive tunnel network traversing the sea of nurnen inside the tower of Baradur
No way Sauron managed to hold off a 7 year siege unless he get supplies from outside the fortress
Its possible the siege was loose enough for some supplies to break though occasionally- it happens often enough irl. And Baradur is large enough that splitting your forces to cover all entrances could risk being defeated in detail.
I suspect you might be able to herd flocks of goats or somesuch though hidden trails though the Ash mountains from Rhûn as well.
barad-dur was filled to brimming with slaves. tunnels throughout those mountains were inevitable, but cannibalism of dead and badly wounded slaves, orcs or otherwise, would hardly have been frowned upon by the leadership. saves feeding 'em, too. sauron had plenty and to spare, apparently. it was the quality of the troops of men, elves, and dwarves that made them superior, not their numbers.
@@thehellyousay Cannibalism is not the most effective long term logistical strategy though.
No Dwarves in this war.
I may be wrong but I do not think Tolkien treated orcs like they made terrible fighters. The descriptions of their forces does not seem to indicate a notable inferiority to those of men.
@@benlewis4241 He did directly say they were not the equals of elves or humans but they made up for it in numbers. That it ss not to say totally inferior on a one to one basis but in war small differences in the quality of troops can lead to large differences on the battle field. That's why vetran troops are always so valuable. Discipline being a huge factor.
0:43 fishes that belch fumes, terrifying.
FISSURES!
Stop
I love the smaller, lesser known, early writing, regions, i also love the lore behind the peoples and regions of Far Harad in the 1.7.10 MC Mod made by Mevans, although he hasn't it.
That mod is how I learnt about Nurn in the first place, it’s really good
"We know a remote farm in Nurn, where Mrs. Grishnakh lives. Every July, corn grows there. We know a certain fjord in the Sea of Nurnen, near where the hagfish gather in great shoals. There, Ugluk's slaves freeze the hagfish at sea and then add a crumb, crisp coating. We know a little place in the Mordor Far East, where Lorgan Headcleaver chops up the finest prairie-fed man-flesh and tastes..." What do you mean, missed it? But you can't emphasize "flesh", that's like he's wanting me to emphasize "in" before "July". Come on fellas, you're losing your heads!
Theres too much directing going on here.
I'm confused
Look up Orson Welles "Frozen Peas" outtakes, and you'll get the joke.
The relationship between Nurn and the volcanic region of Mordor sounds like Hammerhall in Age of Sigmar.
please don’t compare AoS and Lotr… It’s literally comparing cow dung and gold…
please don’t compare AoS and Lotr… It’s literally comparing cow dung and gold…
Considering the vast cultural diversity of the inhabitants of Nurn and their past as slaves, I like to think that in the Fourth Age Nurn became an independent kingdom with a strong anti-slavery policy and where different peoples and religions of Middle-earth lived together.
Something similar to the free city of Braavos in Song of Ice and Fire.
"All MEN are created equal" Orks- but wut about us?
5:58 Ok so there is this awesome thing called Trauma Bonding, enduring hardships with people is a great way to get people to work together, great example? militaries, you spend (in my country) 16 weeks training with a whole bunch of guys from different backgrounds, cultures, religions, wealthy-ness, ethnicities, all of those differences burn away.
Yeah, those who survive are gonna be bonded by an experience that no one, not even their original societies, can understand.
Barren wasteland...very litte flowing water...depressing shrubs are the only vegetation...and there are lots of flies...OH MY GOSH, AUSTRALIA IS MORDOR.
I loved learning about Nurn in the LOTR, it adds so much nuance to the world of Middle Earth.
Existence of Nurn creates another question, how did Morgoth feed his armies when Angband was containing armies far bigger than those of Saurons whilst also being basically an inhabitable iceland?
probably the same way. Mans from the east paid him tribute. We know Morgoth was the first who "discovery" a humans and he had big influence on them. Some of them even travel to the beleriand and join union of Maedhros. Also even during the long peace when the armies of the elves besieged Angband, the siege wasn't completely closed.
@@peger Thats true I guess. Gotta wonder why didnt Noldor just kill Morgoths servants in the East to starve his armies but hey Morgoth is a Vala so perhaps he had other ways to make his armies feed by means unknown
The MERP module ( I don't claim it's cannon) was explicit : Angband was feed by limited subsidence faming where possible and by caravans of supplies form the East. Not sure how realistic that was given how far Angband was from any Eastern land friendly to Sauron.
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 I would like to point at the lembas bread here. It is magical and the making was taught to Galadriel by one of the mayar, Melian (thx for the comments) and it is verry possible that morgooth knew of similar ways of nourishment.
Angband contained large armies centuries before Men came west, back when he was besieged by the Noldor. The only direction open to Morgoth was going further north into the icy Iron Mountains.
Since Tolkien developed Angband and the rough geography around it while he still thought of orcs as soulless creatures built by Morgoth, there was no need for any kind of agriculture around Angband. Tolkien didn't think about the issue in the 1940s and 1950s when he was working on a Silmarillion to be released alongside LotR as far as we can tell, either. But considering how much more detailed and "realistic" Tolkien's Silmarillion rework from the late 1950s onwards (mostly documented in HoMe X and NoMe) was, he probably would've had to tackle this issue eventually.
When I see a new Darth Gandalf video I watch
Imagine if Tainted Entwives where forced to farm that harsh land
5:58
Would be funny if they adopted the Black Tongue of Mordor as their Lingua Franca.
Even orcs themselves weren't that devout😁
That was in fact Sauron's plan for Black Speech, but it never worked out. Many orcish dialects are degraded versions of Black Speech.
Hope lord of the rings online gets nurn one day
I hope we see Rhun one day too
I hope one day it gets the rights to the First Age
Beleriand pre Dagor Bragollach or even ruined Beleriand in that game would be epic
@@talesoftheeldar8688 I seem to recall an interview where one of the developers expressed interest in showing Angband or Numenor if they were allowed, maybe in an instance, but I could be misremembering
@@superslayerguy Agreed! Maybe even get to play some good Easterlings as a premium Man race, since all the others have their own Premium subraces.
Given that the slaves were likely pf many different cultures, of the freed slaves who stayed, I can imagine a culture similar to the creole cultures of the Caribbean forming there.
Historically slaves would quickly pick up language of their masters and culture and lose their own. It would be hard for them to return home, especially to live next to the tribes etc who enslaved them in the first place.
Or at least develop a creole (after going through a pidgin phase) of the enslaver's language and whatever native languages they came with. This only takes a couple of generations.
Thats exactly how Haiti came to be.. from a succesful slave uprising
I like your region videos! Keep up the good work!
Nurn sounds like egypt and the nile. A fertile breadbasket, but withouth the military power to be independent for most of it's history and so is a subject go more powerful military powers that exploits it to the bone.
Maybe the name is more symbolic than literal, like the waters of Nurnen are hopeless and figuratively dead
Worth noting I suppose is that in addition to growing crops, much of Nurn must have had large ranches for domesticated cattle, goats, sheep etc. as well.
Can't really picture 100s of thousands of Orcs living off barley and potatoes.
I suspect dead human slaves didn't go to waste either. :)
"The soil is real nice for growing, lots of volcanic loving crops: coffee, pineapples, potatoes, tea, like Hawaii"
"Like where?"
"Uhhh nevermind, anyway we'll be fine"
An army always marches on its stomach.
I hope the water isn't as sad anymore.
Could it be it was know as the sad water because its an area associated with slavery and forced labour in harsh conditions? Its not going to be a happy region under Sauron no matter how fertile the land and pleasant the water is.
@@stephenpickering8063 I really think that is true, especially since it seems to be a reference from the West. I don't think Sauron called it the Sad Waters. He'd probably call it the "Work Harder!" Waters.
I would think it's a putried festering dark jungle because of the sea and volcanic soil. Make it ridiculously fertile but would take a ton of slave labor to keep clear and only certain types of rye could really be grown there. Rye that could go bad or turn poisonous really easy. Which seems like orc food.
Since it doesn't have an outgoing river the Sea of Nurn is bound to be extremely salty most likely being very similar to the Great Salt Lake of Utah and its even close to the same size. However there is a possibility that it might not be as salty since it has four rivers feeding into it. If I had to guess I bet the farm communities run irrigation from the rivers and the run off feeds the Nurn sea so while they can maintain crops and still get plenty of freshwater with out having to rely on the terminal lake which would be subject to algae blooms and swarms of akaline flies.
Eh not all terminal all and seas are dead. The Aral Sea before it was drained supported fishing communities in its waters for exmaple.
@@baneofbanes that's because of how much freshwater was flowing into the Aral sea. It's the same with the Caspian it's not nearly as salty as the oceans and could be a whole lot saltier but it gets fed by lots of fresh water.
Always a good day when Darth Gandalf uploads a new vid!
Always intrigued me. Thanks
4:11 I wouldn't expect Sauron's allies to have any legitimacy concepts like dignity and nobility to their government but fear. And slavery goes hand in hand with fear. I mean, they literally worship Melkor.
Aw yeah, finally some agriculture content!
I think the idea that Morgoth and Sauron had, was that by bringing discipline to the world, they would make it a better place. Nurn would be an example of how that worked.
Makes sense that Nurn was Mordor’s economic bread basket as there was no way it could have fed itself and it’s massive armies without a massive agriculture food rich region right at its heart to make use of.
There was still trade with Rhun and Haradwaith
@@MerryMohProductions True, but trade lanes to rhun are not secure with that elvish kingdom sitting near the sea of rhun on the east side of it. Plus trade lines to both are long and time consuming to gather supplies in by.
@@wedgeantillies66 Yet they it's stated Sauron's southern and eastern allies paid tributes and fresh goods, booty and slaves
@@MerryMohProductions Indeed, but those supply lines are long and dangerous ones open to attack, disruption and blocking by the armies of the free peoples. Compared to Nurn, that is securely inside Mordor already and protected from attack by its myriad defences and armies.
So about the shadow of war and shadow of mordor games, It's my head cannon that Tallian is a Gondorian story. Something a group of Ithilian rangers or Gondor Soliders would sit around the camp fire and tell the story of Tallian the Ranger Who died and came to undeath to avenge his fallen family. The spirit of a ranger and the vengeful elf spirit of Celebrimbor merged to fight the dark lord. Talian would represent the Fighting spirit of Gondor and Celebrimbor would represent the age long malice against Sauron. I don't know if that's what the game Developers Were going for, but I do think, like in our world , middle earth would have fictional stories. To my knowledge, in the lore, you don't really see fiction. You see a lot of legends based on reality in that world. We even see a lot of art and music and various ways of expression. So I don't believe it's far-fetched to think that a writer or perhaps a poet would have Written an uplifting story about the never-ending fight against sauron With some literary liberties.
After typing all this I did just realize that Sam did write a little fictional ditty about a troll sitting on a stone. So yeah, fiction does exist in middle earth.
I don't know , that's my two cents on the Lore of Shadow of War and Shadow of Mordor games.
The slaves had been working together there for generations. Im sure they wouldve developed their own language and identity by that point, maybe by mixing bits and pieces of their own, and taught it to new batches of slaves that were brought in. Or just adopted the black speech or whatever the orcs gave them orders in
love these videos bro keep it up, cheers!
I am not sure how orcs are depicted is always correct. They are depicted as having basic iron working skills and as being pre-modern, quite backwards and tribal etc. But something Tolkien revealed to us about his Middle Earth and parallels to our world made me think twice about this. Tolkien said his work was not allegorical, but he did reveal one key thing that probably should make us think about orcs and Sauron's forces in a different way.
Tolkien had a romantic view of the old world. He treasured what he saw as idyllic village life in the English countryside. The actual shires of England. He valued living off the land and had a reverence for nature etc. Both the Hobbits and the Elves reflect that.
What Tolkien was not so happy about was the effects of the Industrial Revolution on the English shires that he loved so much. A darkness spreading over the land. He said so that this became a theme of his books. The industrial sprawl and urbanization. How it destroyed so many beautiful places. How villagers moved to the industrial centers and the effect that could have on them. It was quite often an effect Tolkien may have viewed as fallen or degenerate so to speak, e.g., slum living, drunkenness like during the gin craze, spread of diseases like typhoid and cholera in London, loss of traditional values as Tolkien would see it with his Catholic world view, etc, etc. Elves that had fallen and been twisted by that darkness.
Therefore, the urbanized industrial workers of the 1800s and early 1900s are the orcs. Less of a race, but more like a class within a social trend that Tolkien viewed as too destructive. If the orcs are the minions of that spreading darkness, then Sauron ruling with his commanders et cetera and bringing that to the entire world would represent the so called captains of industry. More advanced in a way according to how we view modern history, technological progress and modernized populations, but with it came what Tolkien called fell beasts and a corrupting darkness etc (due to its destructive effects).
During the early 1900s concern about the effects of industrial sprawl upon the land and upon people's lives were not uncommon. Watership Down is another book with a similar theme. Perhaps reactionary to an extent, but also valid. Industry and technological progress is positive and can produce vastly more of our material wants and needs than previous modes of human living, e.g., feudalism or pastoralism et cetera, but it can be very destructive in various ways too.
Ironically, this would make Yeskov's parody canon.
Great video. On the Shadow of Mordor games, personally I don't think there's any point to 💩 on them. They aren't canon and never claimed to be. They just use the platform of Tolkien to create a gameified similar but alternate timeline of events. I think they did a great job making a very cool story for a video game and showing us what other regions of Arda, that we don't get a close look at in canon, might be like. That said it is completely fair to breakdown and compare game to canon.
If the fertile volcanic soil of Hawaii is anything to go by, breadbasket is definitely the right word! Sauron was quite silly for attempting to take over lands he already bordered by natural mountains, when he had a whole plain of volcanic soil suitable for growing in his backyard.
tolkien left such huge fertile fields in his world for fan fiction of incredible quality to be grown without requiring anyone ever altering or violating the known lore he wrote, but no, hollywood and amazon just couldn't resist ruining yet another masterpiece by turning the tilling growing, and harvesting the vast possibilities the open roads into the wider world of the story offered. no, they had to try and make tolkien's work "theirs".
turned middle-earth into a landfill instead. a mordor in its own right. o, the irony ...
I was playing shadow of mordor and wondering this and then got this recommended after
Weird but good
Apparently it's based on Lop Nur, in the Tarim Basin.
Tolkien was a master at languages and lore, but his world "building" skills left a lot to be desired. Be that as it may, it is still possible for all contradictions to be true at the same time. The lake could easily be like the Great Salt Lake or the Dead Sea, but it is the rivers that feed into the lake that provide the fertile crops. Moreover, Sauron's forces are orcs; we don't need high quality food products being grown here. It's quantity and not quality. The potential for volcanic soil was massive, but a lot of that potential was probably wasted by the need to keep food requirements simple for the orcs.
Video request for Ciryatandor from MERP
I always assumed Nurn was inhabited by lower men, then Sauron enslaved them (possibly using Black Numenorean overlords to govern) and supplemented those salves with fresh slaves from the south or east.
Giving Nurn to the former enslaved people of Mordor was possibly the smartest and most ethical move on Aragorn's part.
1. The cost and logistics of resettling a huge influx of refugees would have been an economic burden.
2. They probably had nothing to go back to in the very lands that enslaved them in the first place.
3. They were essentially being justly compensated for their forced labor by being awarded the land they were forced to cultivate. A similar idea was proposed after the American Civil war, which unfortunately never happened. And even though Nurn is a gloomy place of little value, they've worked on it long enough to know how to make it at least livable.
I wonder if this is where Skyrim got -Nirn- from
On that note, Akatosh's name comes from one of Bethesda's old forum members named "AKA The Old Smaug Himself".
@@ElliotKeaton really eh Good to know
Nuner fish is back on the menu boys 🐟
I think all these LotR YT lore videos that keep appearing in my feed demonstrate while Tolkien was an amazing story teller his world building left something to be desired when it came to explaining the economy of Middle Earth and the lives of everyday people. i.e. where are all the trading posts, hamlets, farms, & small & medium towns that should dot the land? What's the system of government? Despotic feudalism? Does that mean all the common people are serfs? Ofc if Tolkien were reading this he'd likely say something to the effect "I wrote these stories to entertain myself and my children - stop being a pedantic NERD and don't read too much into the areas of my fantasy world that objectively make no sense..."
I think we are the nerds, who love the lore and want to expand it. Fanfiction, fanart, and Corporate reboots, remakes, and sequels/prequels.
Tolkien certainly didn't go into detail, but at the same time most of these areas do not have any other issues besides lacking detail. You can fill most of it by extrapolating or using your own imagination, which is fine as none of these things are that relevant to the stories.
"Makes no sense" . What haha.
Hi Darth!
The real mystery is how Morgoth supported far larger armies of orcs, trolls, and wargs in Angband, which had no agricultural hinterland at all, only the Iron Mountains and the forbidding ice pack north of them. In theory Morgoth could have sent orc to cultivate crops in the fertile lands between the Blue and Misty Mountains, but the logistics would have been difficult and the crop land vulnerable to devastation by the Noldor.
Bitter sea/Bitter water historically meant salt water. I mean historically before christ, in the age of mesopotamian civilizations, the sea was always described as the bitter sea. In the first map ever, which was preserved on a cuneiform tablet has the world surrounded by a ring of water called "the bitter river". Very nice detail, that it appears here.
Have you done a video specifically about Cair Andros?
Harondor next please?
if its akin to the real life dead sea then I wonder if they used the salts for things like fertilizers and such. I believe its called Potash
The volcanoes make the soil perfect for farming.
I would really love to know what the east looked like. I know some of the Dwarven houses went east, and I wonder if they fared any better than the western houses?
Good stuff.
Nice to reach out beyond what was mentioned and written and intelligently speculate about lands outside of common lore.
Thank you.
Sry the video jumped from no nothing about nurn. To definitley more fertile and must be the breabasket? Did i miss it? Where is this information from?
How green was my Balrog?
There's not much written about these lands because they're Nurn of your business!
Lithlad next?
Unless some sort of dark or different crops grow in nurn, it would have to be a green and lush place. Crops don’t grow in the dark
During the war of the ring it would have been a good idea from the free peoples to launch a surprise attack on Nurn.
Maybe a few hundred troops trained in mountainous warfare.
If that would be successful, it would have forced Sauron to send forces to protect Nurn while also fighting Aragon and his army at the black gate.
It would have forced him into a two front war, he would have won given enough time but it would also mean that Aragorn's army would have a easier job at the black gate.
It would have also taken the war to the south of Mordor and forced Sauron to push his armies that way...directly through the lands Frodo and Sam were travelling and defeating Gandalf and Aragorn's whole reason for attacking in the first place.
@@morgant.dulaman8733 Ups.
Maybe my master plan wasn't that good 😅
@@ulbingelias6894 To be fair, it's still better than the time I thought it would be a good idea to make ramen noodles...flavored with Tang.
I thought Kursk was their breadbasket?
It's the Levant/dead sea. The ring is a metaphor for religion
Mordor would be Israel hehe
That’s a character in LISA: The Painful.
MERP actually had the people of Nurn speaking a common language, derived at least in part from Black Speech.
Wowie ok, Nurn....Nirn....wonder where The Elder Scrolls got the name for the planet where the continent Tamriel is?
@Darth Gandalf what sort of food do you think could've been cultivated in Nurn?
I'm no farmer. Maybe grain? Wheat? Are they the same thing? I also think that there was probably a fair amount of animal husbandry going on.
@@DarthGandalfYT Fair enough
0:51 morgai flies reference?
This place looked very pretty in the game shadow of war
Gollum game we see slaves from that location
nice work 😎😎😎😎
It would make sense for lake, "sea" of Nurn to be quite salt e g dead. But the rivers offers some great pptential for irrigated farming, with a rich soil enriched by vulcanic ash. The summers are probably quite hot given the distance to the sea, but the winters could be mild as it's somewhat shielded from the north. The vegitation would be similar to that of the Caucasian region perhaps and just as Causcasia it is probably an extraordinary melting pot of various peoples. There would be people from Harad, Khand, and Rhun obviously, but also certainly from Rovannion and even from Gondor. There might even be numenoreans and peoples from eriador and rohan there. Maybe even occational hobbits, dwarves and elves. Maybe even entwives? It is even possible there are people from far off eastern and southern lands and it would make more sense for Sauron to enslave the enemies of his vassalls rather than enslave his vassalls. However, to the gpndorians the divisions of other peoples might not be all too clear and even less so for the hobbits "passing down the information". If one was to really exploit the sinister possibilities of Saurons reign, we can't ignore the possibility the people of Nurn havent been kept socially apart but has been bread to mix in various ways all slaves of the dark lord to make him a super slave. Something uruk hai like but working rather than fighting. The people of Nurn might thus be quite uniqe.
Do a video on lithlad!!!!
Volcanic environments also make the most fertile soil
Algormancy!
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Prefer breadbasket of Naan.
Imagine being an orc farmer lol
Different lore but...do Chaos warriors from warhammer have a lot of downtime? What do they eat? They eat and drink right? Coffee breaks etc😂
Daemons don't need to but i'm pretty sure the humans are said to hunt various animals in Norsca and the chaos wastes, but that doens't exactly make sense since they are frozen wastelands with pratically no plantlife..
@@josepharmstrong6502 Well it's all in good fun I suppose!
I don't think the cultural differences were a big problem after they were freed. Probably a large part of the slaves would have been the children and grandchildren of other slaves, and were already born in Nurn. They would have had time to learn how to communicate with each other, likely developing a Nurn-Slave culture and some kind of shared language (maybe just the language from the place where most of them came from).
I mean, they would all understand the language of Mordor at least, to follow orders.
5 views : D
Unfortunately as of 2019 the middle earth games are not cannon due to rings of power having a weak looking celebrimbor
oh hey that's the Ukraine!
oh hey, that's the Ukraine!
"Art from midjourney".
Please don't.
Since it was fed by rivers and so was freshwater it should be Nurnen Lake or Lake of Nurnen given it isnt a sea. Tolkein really didn't know shit about geography
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Or it's an endorheic basin like the dead sea the great salt Lake or any number of similar lakes
Shouldn't' the Caspian Sea be call the Caspian Lake then?
Inland seas are a thing in the real world. If it has no outflow the waters can become very brackish. For example, the Dead Sea. I think though the better example is the Caspian Sea.
@@jacobhibbins3737 Caspian sea is indeed a lake.. Biggest lake in the world