Forodwaith - The Frozen North of Middle-earth

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  • Опубліковано 25 тра 2024
  • In this video, we look at Forodwaith, the frozen wastes in the north of Middle-earth. What was it like? How did it become that way? And what creatures lived there?
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  • @berkpeker2707
    @berkpeker2707 Місяць тому +68

    I really don't like commenting on social media, but the soundtrack, visuals, and content of this video gave me such comfort, which is very much needed at this stage of my life, that I've forgotten about the Tolkien Universe and LOTRO.
    Thank you.

    • @mattpalmer152
      @mattpalmer152 Місяць тому +2

      I struggle with depression and i want to live one more day after reading this comment and watching the video.

    • @orlandogloom5409
      @orlandogloom5409 Місяць тому +3

      Matt, do yourself a favor... There's a lot more good to enjoy and preserve and take in day by day till we leave this world, than 1 video and 1 comment. When I understood these I gradually managed to overcome depression and apathy. Took certain personal events and an extra 2 years _after_ I changed my own stance towards myself and most things, as well as my logical but still completely pessimistic angle from which I looked at things, but it wasn't all as hard as one would think.
      BTW, don't let immature people who just want to hate on everyone and everything ruin anything for you, we all can do better than that and actually teach such people a lesson.

    • @mattpalmer152
      @mattpalmer152 Місяць тому +1

      @@orlandogloom5409 thanks orlando gloom this comment just bought me a couple more days

  • @woodearthdvd
    @woodearthdvd Місяць тому +51

    To this day I keep reading Forodwaith as FROdowaith.

    • @JoeBLOWFHB
      @JoeBLOWFHB Місяць тому +2

      YOU TOO😂

    • @DrakeTheCaster
      @DrakeTheCaster Місяць тому +2

      Literally why I clicked on the video cause I was like "is this some kinda theory video?" Lmao

    • @robertagren9360
      @robertagren9360 Місяць тому +3

      Frodowraith

    • @lylemoore3827
      @lylemoore3827 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@robertagren9360 where frodo went to live after that morgue blade finally turned him into a wraith 😂

    • @Ryan30z
      @Ryan30z 19 днів тому

      @@robertagren9360 my dyslexic ass thought it was Frodowraith until I clicked on this video

  • @lastofrwby8395
    @lastofrwby8395 Місяць тому +24

    I was literally just wondering when you were going to upload another video.

  • @beavernation57
    @beavernation57 Місяць тому +40

    All I knew was that dragons were from there.

    • @davidponseigo8811
      @davidponseigo8811 Місяць тому +2

      All I know about it is that it doesn't exist. It's from a book. I'm just messing with you.

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Місяць тому +6

      I'm glad that you know more now.

  • @adrianatkins10
    @adrianatkins10 Місяць тому +20

    Would be cool to get a Shadow of Mordor type non-canon action game in Forodwaith

  • @istari0
    @istari0 Місяць тому

    I really enjoy these looks at the little known areas of Middle-Earth; it's always a learning experience!

  • @Kurgan0822
    @Kurgan0822 Місяць тому +1

    Very nice job. Great explanations and I liked all the art work that you used. Subscribed 👍

  • @juliangarcoa6090
    @juliangarcoa6090 Місяць тому

    always lookin forward to ur vids man
    👍

  • @c.ladimore1237
    @c.ladimore1237 Місяць тому +17

    lotro did an amazing job interpreting and expanding forodwaith and the lossoth. tolkein himself would probably be impressed

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Місяць тому +9

      I did like the Sami influence.

    • @rikk319
      @rikk319 Місяць тому +2

      One of my favorite zones in LotRO, which I still run through when I inevitably roll a a new character on a different server.

    • @SamGlaze
      @SamGlaze 29 днів тому +3

      Lotro is flat out one of the best interpretations of middle earth in media

  • @Hero_Of_Old
    @Hero_Of_Old Місяць тому +9

    Frozen wastelands always intrigue me, I'm not sure why!

    • @indoorplant2392
      @indoorplant2392 Місяць тому +3

      The Others

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Місяць тому +3

      @@indoorplant2392 I agree...now if only those books could be finished.

    • @DeathorGlory91r
      @DeathorGlory91r Місяць тому +2

      Come to Canada in winter. You’ll get over it quick.

  • @MachasDaughter
    @MachasDaughter Місяць тому

    Well done. Thank you 🙏🏻

  • @DJHigher1
    @DJHigher1 Місяць тому +1

    Another day another banger

  • @msmith1890
    @msmith1890 Місяць тому +15

    Last time I was this early in a video Morgoth was still good.

  • @titanscerw
    @titanscerw Місяць тому +4

    Fresh as winds up North!

  • @Kekspere
    @Kekspere Місяць тому

    Interesting topic!

  • @przemekreszka2825
    @przemekreszka2825 Місяць тому

    damm I love this channel, pondering most interesting questions

  • @acrustykrab
    @acrustykrab Місяць тому +3

    Great job including the artists with their art! Huge

  • @roundninja
    @roundninja 17 днів тому

    Never really knew about this before. I wonder if it played a role in inspiring locations like Northrend from Warcraft, or the lands north of the wall in Game of Thrones. It even reminds me of Irithyll from Dark Souls 3, which seems supernaturally cold in an area which was previously warmer, and according to some people its name is derived from elvish. Interesting how even an obscure location like Forodwaith seems like it might have had quite a large influence on the fantasy genre.

  • @ThexVaultxTech
    @ThexVaultxTech Місяць тому +4

    I am Aleut, the people there strongly resemble the Inuit peoples with their "carts that had no wheels" and "bone shoes for walking on snow"
    Pretty cool he gave such a minor people a call out,really shows how complete his secondary world was

  • @cavetroll666
    @cavetroll666 Місяць тому

    very good video thanks lord of the rings online does a fantastic take on this region :)

  • @kjaamor2057
    @kjaamor2057 Місяць тому

    It's nice to see someone who clearly knows a lot about the lore of Middle Earth acknowledge 'The Lord of the Rings Online.'
    It is a game that creates mixed feelings within me. On one hand it is - avoiding acronyms for those unfamilar - a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game - and comes with all the pitfalls of that genre, in being essentially endless, highly repetitive, and yet time exploitative. On the other hand, what it does to put context of the world and bring the lore to light is really something. The depiction of Forochel is one of many excellent versions of the lands that, while obviously highly gamified, really bring things to life. Also the soundtrack is fantastic.

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Місяць тому

      I only play it casually nowadays because I feel like it's dated, and I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the design choices. But I always jump on when there's new zones or new story content. The world and writing is normally really good.

    • @kjaamor2057
      @kjaamor2057 Місяць тому

      @@DarthGandalfYT Unfortunately, around 10 years ago it absorbed my life to the extent that I will never "play" it again (although I did nip in to pilfer some ambient music and sound for a D&D campaign!). Some wonderful memories playing it, but also many, many hours in trash fights and at the point where I got to guild crafting (with real-time limits) it started to feel like I was being punished for *not* playing it. Still, of all the games I have played set in Middle Earth, it felt like the one that had the most love for Tolkein rather than just PJ's films. It also "gets" elves, which while I love PJ's movies in almost all other respects I find a little disappointing in the celluloid versions.
      As you can imagine, I'm terribly out of touch with it mechanically at this point. I believe they were attempting to find ways to solve the obvious multiplayer issue of having players become more isolated as the world grew in size. It felt like a tough problem, because the two most enjoyable aspects were the multiplayer battles and the world exploration. Making the former easier to access removed the necessity for the latter.

  • @uberjens
    @uberjens Місяць тому +4

    In regards to what you said at the end of the video, about the Rings of Power. That is one of the very few things I would give them credits for. In fact, I think most of the locations in the show e.g. Lindon, Numenor, Forodwaith and Moria were pretty great. It's just a shame the rest of the show isn't up to the same standard.

  • @user-gh1xf2cw4g
    @user-gh1xf2cw4g Місяць тому

    Could make a video about the edge of the world

  • @colinleat8309
    @colinleat8309 Місяць тому

    Same here, I know the Dragons came from there, but that's about it. None of the channels really cover the area because there was so little written by Tolkien as you said. Would have been nice if he completed the map.

  • @chesterbless9441
    @chesterbless9441 Місяць тому

    It's chilly

  • @celestialhylos7028
    @celestialhylos7028 Місяць тому +3

    Bro, wake up
    Darth Gandalf just uploaded

  • @General12th
    @General12th Місяць тому +1

    Hi Darth!

  • @MerryMohProductions
    @MerryMohProductions Місяць тому

    Imagine if the Witch-King had mammoths in his army, tamed by tribes of lossoth or some other people related to the Forodwaith he was able to sway to his side.

  • @davidh429
    @davidh429 Місяць тому +3

    Hmmm. I noticed that while Humans, orcs, trolls, and dwarves could go into the frozen wastes. The elves couldn't by the fail seige and other parts of the video. That implies that elves have a weakness to the cold compared to all other races at least. Thus winters are even deadlier to them then us.

    • @EmpyreanFrost
      @EmpyreanFrost Місяць тому +5

      Yet Legolas easily walked upon snow as if it were nothing.

    • @davidh429
      @davidh429 Місяць тому

      Indeed, a contradiction

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Місяць тому +6

      Fingolfin's host crossed the Helcaraxë, which took quite a few years. It was extraordinarily difficult but they did manage it.

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Місяць тому +3

      I'm not sure they had a weakness to cold. I'd say it's more likely that the Edain were willing to endure the cold because they were exceptionally brave owing to their shorter lives. Elves had more to lose, and therefore did not take the same risks willingly.

    • @takix2007
      @takix2007 Місяць тому

      ​@@istari0that is one of the problems I have with biblical-like events, when the crossing of the Helcaraxë is recounted as taking many years (like Moses' 40 years in the desert) : it makes no sense if the journey was a deliberate one with a clear objective (bypassing the Belegaer to Beleriand, travelling from Egypt to the Promised Land), but it makes sense if the migration was taking a more random / progressive route, not knowing when they would "arrive" or if the threat was progressively catching up to them (i.e, the migration of the Hobbits from the vale of Anduin all to the Shire, or the settling of the Americas through a dry-land Bering straits).

  • @WeeG-bwc77
    @WeeG-bwc77 Місяць тому

    I associated Morgoth with fire and brimstone etc. so it was cool to learn that the "northmost" parts of middle earth (especially before beleriand was sunk) were his original base. Some of the greatest evil in that universe's history were icey and cold. Before Angband there was Utumno.

  • @bristleconepine4120
    @bristleconepine4120 Місяць тому

    Late to the party, but a couple of questions:
    One, according to Ambarkanta IV, the *southern* straits between Aman and Middle Earth are *also* frozen. How did that happen, if the reason why Forodwaith was cold was because Melkor had been there?
    Two, when are you going to append your War in Middle Earth series with a prequel of the War of the Powers? 😉

  • @wedgeantillies66
    @wedgeantillies66 Місяць тому

    So if Mordor is the hell on Earth of middle Earth, than surely Forodwaith is the Antarctic of middle Earth without question.

  • @adamloverin4125
    @adamloverin4125 Місяць тому

    Enough about Morgof, I wanna hear more about Morgoth.

  • @ulbingelias6894
    @ulbingelias6894 Місяць тому +1

    Because it was mentioned in the video, why did the dragons (and the balrogs too) reject to help sauron?

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Місяць тому +1

      Well, remember that Gandalf was very concerned about Sauron trying to make an alliance with Smaug, which is what led to the events of The Hobbit. Beyond that, it is not clear although there are lots of theories. I think it's worth pointing out that Balrogs and Dragons were loyal to Morgoth even after Morgoth's defeat in the War of Wrath and they likely viewed Sauron as more of an equal than someone to be subordinate to so Sauron could have felt they would be more trouble than they would be worth and he could win without them.

    • @scoobysnacker1999
      @scoobysnacker1999 Місяць тому +2

      @@istari0 Could also be self-preservation. Remember, both the balrog and the dragons are described as highly intelligent. They're also described as largely eradicated by the Valar, once the threat to Middle Earth was deemed too great not to intervene. There were obviously some survivors, but outside of Sauron, the higher orders of Morgoth's forces appeared to lay low and try not to attract too much Valinorean attention. You could hide in frozen wastelands or under a mountain, you could torment an occasional Dwarven or Mannish kingdom individually, but nobody big seemed to want to team up. Maybe it was an issue of sharing power (they were all UNDER Morgoth), but I suspect there was also some hesitance towards inviting further Valar wrath.
      If some such as the Balrog were aware of Sauron's plans, they might have been watching from a distance to see how far he would be allowed to go.

    • @robertagren9360
      @robertagren9360 Місяць тому +1

      Sauron had power over the rings but there were people who were ringmakers able to make their own rings of power. Saruman as example mentioned twice being a ringmaker.
      The rings Sauron had were not given to any dragons.
      9 were given to men
      7 to dwarves and
      3 to elves
      But none to dragons.

    • @rikk319
      @rikk319 Місяць тому +1

      I would think that beings that powerful were unlikely to bend the knee to any other powerful being, and that the ego of such evil beings was the primary factor to take into account.

  • @cjthebeesknees
    @cjthebeesknees Місяць тому

    I’m not the only one who read frodo wraith in their head the first time, am I? Then double take.

  • @harryallen1175
    @harryallen1175 Місяць тому

    I do understand meteorology. Yes if the jet stream were to stop. For example too much fresh water entering the ocean system from melting ice caps, then Europe would be really cold.
    Most of Europe is on the same or similar latitude as Northern Russia ❄ 🧊 ❄

  • @mateuszslawinski1990
    @mateuszslawinski1990 Місяць тому

    Middle-earth alone is so vast that could support dozens of stories not connected to LOTR/Hobbit.

  • @davidefivi.1361
    @davidefivi.1361 Місяць тому

    I really appreciate your videos but the background music somehow annoys me I don't know why

  • @davidponseigo8811
    @davidponseigo8811 Місяць тому

    Nothing good ever happens where it's cold and frozen. Ice hides secrets and mysteries and none of them good !

  • @ellanenish5999
    @ellanenish5999 21 день тому

    bro, you need a Discord for your community

  • @CinematicCraft4310
    @CinematicCraft4310 Місяць тому

    Sméagol vid??

  • @Lucy-yc4bc
    @Lucy-yc4bc Місяць тому

    algorithm

  • @egoborder3203
    @egoborder3203 Місяць тому +193

    Rings of Power isn't controversial. It's absolute garbage

    • @stegura83
      @stegura83 Місяць тому +1

      It's woke, progressive, revisionist, fan fiction garbage which resembles Tolkien in name only.

    • @Ian-nl9yd
      @Ian-nl9yd Місяць тому +1

      A billion dollars for spandex shirts with pictures of chainmail printed on them. Rings of Power was a money-laundering scheme.

    • @vintagesteel
      @vintagesteel Місяць тому +9

      F rings of power

    • @damagecase3370
      @damagecase3370 Місяць тому

      Fk both of you and fk rings of power. Kidding, just love and you are right.

    • @CelebornGaming
      @CelebornGaming Місяць тому +4

      Cope

  • @tefnenes3426
    @tefnenes3426 Місяць тому +1

    First

  • @nealjroberts4050
    @nealjroberts4050 Місяць тому

    Has anyone ever done a demythologising of Middle Earth?
    Ie the assumption that the tales are simply mythic/magical versions of what really happened and coming up with a plausible nonmagic nonbiased history.

  • @Legio_Purpura_20_18
    @Legio_Purpura_20_18 Місяць тому +4

    Rings of Power is tfu americanization and wokeisation of Tolkien as they do with other lores or histories.

    • @CelebornGaming
      @CelebornGaming Місяць тому +1

      Cry me a river

    • @DashhunterLP
      @DashhunterLP 10 днів тому

      How about you discuss the actual topic of the video instead of bitching crying and moaning at even the slightest mention of ROP like some kind of immature snowflake bitchbaby

  • @user-rf4yl3mc1o
    @user-rf4yl3mc1o Місяць тому +1

    Rings of Power: A disappointing fan-fiction, and the most expensive cosplay ever. A failure of adaptation and of plot, story, and character.

  • @wallypagayanan4555
    @wallypagayanan4555 Місяць тому +1

    For all we know these places can really be found in hollow Earth ,I think JR Tolkien went there and saw it all happened.the stories he wrote in the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.

  • @WeeG-bwc77
    @WeeG-bwc77 Місяць тому

    I associated Morgoth with fire and brimstone etc. so it was cool to learn that the "northmost" parts of middle earth (especially before beleriand was sunk) were his original base. Some of the greatest evil in that universe's history were icey and cold. Before Angband there was Utumno.