Is This Racket The Real Deal or Not? | Babolat Rafa Origin

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  • Is the Pure Aero Rafa Origin racket the real deal? See what I think in my official review of this heavy racket!
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  • @rjeejbee
    @rjeejbee Рік тому +6

    Great in dept review! My Origin has a swing weight of 350 to.
    Mixed feelings at first. But I committed myself to it. I now have spent more than 5 hours with it. RPM blast 1.30 @ 24 kilos and a 6 gram tacky over grip.
    I'm really starting to like it over my Aero 23 model. It’s so stable, and I can redirect my shots so well.
    The funny thing is, this racket forces me to prepare early and move my feet asap! Resulting in an improved game.

    • @tenniswziming
      @tenniswziming Рік тому +1

      Mine is 364 strung with same string I also was able to played with it way more than I expected. I’m sure 350 is even more usable!

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      Nice! I have bought rackets before just to overwhelm the flaws in my takeback. A heavy racket can help you to clean up little things about your swing. That and filming yourself can do a lot.

  • @freelance88
    @freelance88 Рік тому +4

    Babolat actually started to advertise their Swing Weight reference in their website. Which is 335 unstrung for this model. So ~365 SW will be the average for 17g poly. Indeed, the TW samples is slightly overspecced.

    • @alejandrofernandez1436
      @alejandrofernandez1436 Рік тому +1

      In a 16g is the string is quite heavy like lynx tour you can get a 370 swingweight

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +2

      Nice, thanks for letting me know. TW is sure to adjust that then, I imagine.

  • @cybernetennis
    @cybernetennis Рік тому +2

    I was pretty happy that TW was pretty cautious (almost to a fault warning us about this beast) in the video reviews of the Origin. Its a beautiful stick though.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      Maybe over is better than under, as a warning! I can see that. It's really heavy. Better to think it'll be 370 and it's actually lower.

  • @prophetmargin7497
    @prophetmargin7497 Рік тому +2

    With its high swingweight and lack of dampening qualities, did you have any arm issues? I use natural gut in the mains on my PD+ to cut down on the shock and vibration and it works great!

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      I didn't but I'm not playing with it for hours. I feel like frames such as this, the stiffness if the least arm friendly part. If it's too heavy, it's too heavy. I really don't know how much difference the vibration dampening stuff makes for actual arm pain. I feel like it's much less than just getting a more flexy racket would do. The initial shock of a stiff frame is going to be higher than a lower flex frame. That is the primary shock. Anything else is very secondary. Strings can make a big difference too. If you arm shots a lot then this racket might punish you for it.

    • @prophetmargin7497
      @prophetmargin7497 Рік тому +1

      @@ZeroLoveTennis I initially had my PD+ strung with a full poly in the mid 50s and within one hour had some serious wrist pain. I use 15L gauge natural gut in the mains which is even better for absorbing shock than the thinner gauges. Gut might work well in the Rafa racket which has a stiffness rating of 70!

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Dang. Yeah I also learned that plus rackets are less stable because they take weight out of the three and nine area to help bring the swing weight down after extending the length. I think that lack of stability can also exaggerate the feeling of shock. I think the origin gets a lot of its comfort from being so heavy. It goes through the ball so the mass of the racket does a lot to absorb. Now I'm not saying it's comfortable but I'm saying it's more comfortable then it would be if it were lighter.

    • @prophetmargin7497
      @prophetmargin7497 Рік тому +1

      @@ZeroLoveTennis I had to add lead tape at the 3 and 9 spots as well as the top of the handle to get the twistweight up, I'm sure the Rafa is rock solid!

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      Pretty solid, definitely.

  • @rbarreira2
    @rbarreira2 Рік тому +2

    I think people greatly exaggerate the impact of bumping up swing weight on less experienced players. It's not like anyone is doubling their swing weight by choosing a different racket or anywhere close to that. Adding 10-20% is not a big deal, even if it takes a few days/weeks to get used to the new swing weight.
    On top of that, everyone has different physical strength, so I find it kinda funny that some UA-camrs recommend swing weights as if everyone is the same.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      I've come to think balance can throw me off a lot more than swingweight.

  • @tenniswziming
    @tenniswziming Рік тому +1

    Also recommend you try RPM Blast 1.30 around 50 lbs. I would never play with this string in my regular racquet but a beefier string that’s not very shaped does compliment this racquet well to add more control and consistency to the stringbed. I just posted my first impression shorts and I really enjoyed the string. Tested razor soft in Shift 300 lately and think that string would be good in the origin too, more dead and has a ton of control. Hyper G imo is too crisp and can really open up too much once tension drops a bit, also this racquet don’t need the extra bite and spin as much.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      Nice! Yeah I'd go 17 if it was my stringjob but it was the demo. Still, I know the string well so it's all good. My string of choice would be Zero by ReString. I think it wildly outperforms RPM blast in all the ways that attract a person to RPM blast in the first place. It has a stronger shape but also has more snapback! Better tension hold and much more durable. Crazy how all that can be true in one string but I swear it is! I have a 10% off code I usually mention, it's in this video description. Try it out if you're an RPM fan! It has better control than the Hyper G. Less lively, I mean. That would be a good choice and fit the colors well too.

  • @jlan6723
    @jlan6723 Рік тому +5

    Could we think it this way? TW tends to show an unreal number to hype this racquet more. After RF with 335 SW, people won't discuss that much with another 340 SW racquet. SW 370 would intrigue everyone:)

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      I considered this as well. It did get my attention and was largely what I talked about in my first impressions as well. I wanted to see if I could handle it, what it felt like, etc. It is definitely a talking point. 370 somehow sounds a lot higher than 360, just because 360 is already crazy.
      So maybe it was strategic!

  • @Geekgurlcode
    @Geekgurlcode Рік тому

    Should women play with the 317 gms one or 290gms? Please answer…Great review

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      I think it's too dependant on skill and hitting style to say so simply which one just based on being a woman or not. 290 might still be balanced in a way where the 317 isn't that much harder to swing and the heavier one might help deal with heavier balls more easily. That being said, I suppose the 290 leaves more room to weight up later and if their game is really slow paced and at a max of that 3.5 level or below, the 290 makes more and more sense.

  • @八極麻花捲
    @八極麻花捲 2 дні тому

    A true pro stock racquet is 1)better build quality 2) extremely solid(layer material) 3)light hairpin for further customization
    A pro use previous consumer model only means he use that particular layer material but the product is way different from commercial ones ever released.
    You should be more precise about pro stocks.
    Even though I bought pro stocks from various sources at later years, the best one was given by a head distribution manager. He took it from his office cabinet in front of me and told me I will satisfy with that. Yes I do.

  • @BobInKC
    @BobInKC Рік тому +2

    Landscape noises add charm.

  • @jorgetirado3201
    @jorgetirado3201 Рік тому +1

    Great video! I find that my shift 315s get closer to 30-35 grams more of swingweight with strings - you think that’s due to the 18x20 pattern requiring more string?

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      Yeah the 18x20 gives a few extra strings, it will make a small difference but probably between 1-5 SW at the most. I really miss that racket!! I sent it back due to the grommets breaking on me so much but I look forward to it's official release. I don't own a racket at this time! Livin' on demos.

    • @jorgetirado3201
      @jorgetirado3201 Рік тому

      @@ZeroLoveTennis wow that’s crazy! No competitive league matches or tourneys?

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      I practice with the 4.5/5.0 guys sometimes but it's not my thing. I just like to hit. Playing to win is kind of limiting and you have to deal with annoying things all the time. Summers here are brutal too. They'll make you play when it's 120 out at noon with the sun in your eyes. I'm good. I don't need to pay money to play in those miserable conditions lol.
      I like playing and making content. I think I've found my thing.

  • @Maiqel
    @Maiqel 10 місяців тому +1

    Wouldn't you by chance measured the Twistweight of the Origin while you tested it, and wrote it down somewhere, right?
    One of the things I remember reading about the AeroPro Drive original (2004) is that its TW was ridiculously small (12.something), and the third gen of Aeropros pumped it to 14.-15ish.
    I got my hands on a used 2004 original and just measured its TW (with a very homemade method) and it was ~14.4 unstrung (so around 15 strung).

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  10 місяців тому +1

      Huh so it sounds like you disproved this myth about the older models? I don't recall if I measured the TW but honestly it could be something that varies quite a bit and maybe or maybe not relative to the racquet. It's hard to say how much something might vary based on how much other stuff might vary.

    • @Maiqel
      @Maiqel 10 місяців тому +1

      @@ZeroLoveTennis yes that's another explanation I was considering. Maybe if the static weight, balance and SW already have some variation, being parameters that are normally specified by manufacturers and retailers, how much can TW vary when nobody even mentions it?
      Maybe the method is not accurate enough, but other rackets did score quite lower (Vcore 95 2021 was 12.85, strung!)

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  10 місяців тому +1

      That is quite low. By the way some of my measurements especially for twistweight was very different from tw and I actually trust how I measure it more since I have an actual tool and they only measured theoretically based on some formula mostly based on swingweight measuring at 2 different angles. It isn't the same result.
      The Briffidi tool is much better at measuring such things.

    • @Maiqel
      @Maiqel 10 місяців тому +1

      @@ZeroLoveTennis WHAT??? My whole life is a lie!! 😂😂😂 Yes I also read somewhere that twistW is approximately the spinW minus the swingW, I also read that it's not actually a mathematically accurate formula and that there can be a considerable variation with the actual measured twistW (so yes, I think your Briffidi values are certainly more reliable too). What I didn't expect was for TW University to use such a clumsy method for his "official" Twistweight list. They have built quite elaborate setups for some of their tests and building a TW measurer is actually not that complicated.
      I was already quite suspicious about the string parameters they show in their string comparer tool, to say the truth.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  10 місяців тому +1

      @Maiqel I feel you. Yeah the thing is the the Briffidi tool is an actual tool for the measurement. So my swingweight numbers are pretty dead on with tennis warehouse (minus QC variance) but twistweight is not. But I think I'm the one getting better data in the case and theirs is flawed.
      You mean their spin string list?

  • @travismalsbary
    @travismalsbary Рік тому +1

    Thanks for your review! My demos arrives today from TW. Trying the rafa and rafa origin to compare the two.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      So you plan to pick one if you like? Let us know what you lean towards.

    • @travismalsbary
      @travismalsbary Рік тому +1

      @@ZeroLoveTennis will do. The pure Rafa was 309g strung the Rafa origin was 340g. This was measured using my coffee scale btw.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      Those can be pretty accurate!

    • @travismalsbary
      @travismalsbary Рік тому +1

      @@ZeroLoveTennis lol yes they are! 340g is what tennis spin measured their origin at. I really like the origin. It's a hammer, but feels so solid.

  • @marigoncalvezz
    @marigoncalvezz Рік тому +1

    I used to play with my teacher's racket (beginner). I bought this racket and my game was horrible. My balls go up in the air and sometimes so far that they probably hit cars on the street. What can I do to try and play with her for now? Thinking about buying the v core pro that you recommended in a video, but I would like to know the specifications.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Haha woah this is like one of the last racquets I'd suggest for a beginner. Really, you got the Rafa origin?
      The percept 100 or the VCORE PRO? You could get the pro since it's cheaper now but I'd only suggest the 100 from that lineup. Everything else too mushy.

    • @marigoncalvezz
      @marigoncalvezz Рік тому

      the one I bought is this Pure Aero Rafa 290g
      and you have no idea how popular this model and the old one is here in Brazil for beginners. It was actually the most recommended, it was no surprise that I bought it
      Anyway, is there any adaptation I can make to try and use it for now? and what vcore pro recommended in a video a year ago, what would be the best weight?

    • @marigoncalvezz
      @marigoncalvezz Рік тому

      I saw that the new models are not as good as last year, I'm afraid of buying the wrong one

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      I think the 100 is only one kind. I'd get that. I personally don't like the others at all.

    • @marigoncalvezz
      @marigoncalvezz Рік тому

      @@ZeroLoveTennis Vcore Pro 100 or Percept 100 ?

  • @mutton4ever
    @mutton4ever Рік тому +2

    Mine also had a 350 sw. Forehands were a dream but my serve was poop

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      Dang haha. Yeah I think their target might be lower. Mine was ok but you really gotta cooperate with the weight. Get it going well ahead of time. Might be good practice lol.

  • @BenQ10
    @BenQ10 Рік тому +1

    Wahey! The VCore Pro 100 is the thinking person’s tennis racket!! You may want a bit of extra weight in the grip. Should work well with your fav poly. 😉

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Haha wait is your name a shoutout to that supplement? Yeah it stands to be my favorite feeling of the VCP but idk if I would switch to it. I have a video coming up next about these!

  • @ppv1780
    @ppv1780 Рік тому +1

    I really like to hit hard and with spin from the baseline and I’m currently using a pure strike. Would you recommend this ?

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Which pure strike? I imagine the 16x19 (one of them) because I could not hit like that with the pure strike 18x20. I could hit ok spin and big heavy flatter balls but not anything really crazy topspin. I get way better spin with this Rafa Origin, for example.
      It's hard to suggest this racket, though, just because of the absurd weight. You can get a lot of what this racket offers in a more manageable package. I would probably pick the regular Pure Aero or 98 over this but it would be cool if those had less vibration dampening things in it, just to feel the difference.
      So if that's your kinda tennis this might be a nice one for you but you may decide it's too heavy after all. But maybe not!

    • @ppv1780
      @ppv1780 Рік тому +1

      @@ZeroLoveTennis it’s the 100, meaning a 300 g 16x9. But I do feel it’s underpowered and can’t really push balls through my opponents. I think I’m an intermediate-advanced player.
      I not really worried about the weight though, I think because of my playstyle it won’t be a problem. I am worried about the control.
      Plus I’m a big Rafa fan lol.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      I gotcha. As my video stated it seems to swing well for how heavy it is. It actually felt a lot easier to swing than the pure strike 18x20 for example. If you end up trying this racket and not liking it, maybe then you should try rackets like the ezone 98 tour or the Pure Aero 98. You can absolutely plow through a ball with those. They also offer a pretty diverse play style. I also really loved the Wilson shift 315 but I'm waiting for that grommet defect to get fixed before I get it again.
      Just want to give you a couple of suggestions in case that origin ends up being too heavy or you're looking for a couple things to compare it to. By all means, if this is the racket you are attracted to, you should try

    • @ppv1780
      @ppv1780 Рік тому +1

      @@ZeroLoveTennis i see. Thanks a lot for the suggestions, cool video as well.

  • @bokaichao3722
    @bokaichao3722 Рік тому +1

    Could you check to see if it has gone back to the 2013 AeroPro Drive styled bumper guards?

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Oh man that sounds pretty hard to find out haha. You might do well to call a racket tech at TW or messaging them. Styled? You mean like one would fit on the other? Either way I'm sure replacement grommets will be available for this racket soon, if not now.

    • @bokaichao3722
      @bokaichao3722 Рік тому

      @@ZeroLoveTennis 2016, 2019, 2023 versions of Pure Aero bumper guards are much shallower than the 2013 and before bumpers, which makes the strings around the hoop more exposed.
      I was hoping they bring back the old bumpers that protect the strings better in the Pure Aero Rafa Origin.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Ohhh. If you look on the TW page you get a closeup of that head guard area. That might be helpful in telling.

    • @bokaichao3722
      @bokaichao3722 Рік тому

      @@ZeroLoveTennis It turns out Babolat did bring back the deeper bumpers. Thank you.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Niiice

  • @BobInKC
    @BobInKC Рік тому +1

    I have a Wilson ProStaff 6.0 that you can try and do a video on if you’d like? I’d pay for shipping to you if you don’t mind to pay shipping back to me. If that’s to weird no biggie just thought I’d offer.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Haha thanks but I don't really know what I'd be reviewing it for. I wouldn't switch to it. I'm barely getting around to reviewing the Regna! I'm pretty backed up. New rackets keep coming.

  • @gtye0h
    @gtye0h Рік тому

    How do you tell apart the origin from non origin

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      Well the racket will actually say! It's a subtle print but it will say it on the racket itself. In pink letters.

  • @viktornorgren4697
    @viktornorgren4697 Рік тому +1

    Nice work with a honest and in depth review 👏 feels like Babolat is just trying to make some extra money off of Nadals fans 🤷 if they make a racket like this then the specs should be on point. And.... gotta love them neighbors 😄

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Yeah well Babolat has been doing that with the whole Rafa line ever since it was a thing but this one is a little extra haha. After all these years endorsing, NOW we get the "real deal?"
      Sure...
      And yeah, appreciate the soundscape of thy neighbors :)

  • @AlexTennisChannel
    @AlexTennisChannel Рік тому +1

    Nice review!!

  • @Dimone11
    @Dimone11 Рік тому +1

    Vcore pro 100 is great! Interesting to hear about)

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Nice. You compared to the other options in that family as well?

    • @Dimone11
      @Dimone11 Рік тому +1

      @@ZeroLoveTennis i play with vcore 95 and vcore pro 97. Did try ezone and vcore 98 a few times. Hit with vcore pro 100 once. I think its a great option for women. Its a nice blend of feel ok power and spin. Feels good in a hand.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Do you get more power with the VC95? I did. I had to work hard for the power every shot but I could still get it. There reached a point on the 97 where I couldn't get any more even though I had more in me.

    • @Dimone11
      @Dimone11 Рік тому

      @@ZeroLoveTennis absolutely THE SAME experience! It feels like you hit a wall in power department. And can output only 90% out of 100. But it is a very comfortable range of power where i am feeling good and relaxed with my shots. Like im feeling rewarded hitting))) it is from 60% to 90% range (power). Im in love with the balance and feel. It feels like im holding a saber.
      When 95 is more like an axe with weight under red bumper guard. Despite having the same balance and weight. I struggled a bit at first with my timing.
      95 definitely have more potential in power. And feels softer.
      But i can't say that it is harder to generate power with it tho. Yes, some how it requires to work a bit harder (that's what i love) to feel rewarded with a shot. But the racket not punishing you.
      For 97 i think you can get more rewarded with it if you possess a flatter shot. Then it shines! But i naturally hit heavy topspin and struggle with flats.
      I think i can work around 97th power by trying softer and more powerful string like PT Pro (which was the first string i tried in it and liked very much for my surprise) and lower tension (22kg). For now I have both strung with PT REV 24kg.
      Sorry for this long poem 😭🙏 But i was thinking a lot about my experience with this 2 frames and feel excited about you having similar thoughts!)

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      No worries. I read the whole thing. I've heard this from a few other people that tried that racket and hit hard. I'm glad to see that the experience is consistent. It's pretty validating and I think true.
      I get a little tired about hearing things like you need a generate your own power when I'm just trying to make a point about this racket reaches that maximum threshold sooner than others.
      I just wasn't willing to make that trade off. Unfortunately I still feel it with 100 but a little bit less so.
      Very Cool to see both of our experiences be so similar between both of those rackets! Thank you for your comment.

  • @jeffreylin8100
    @jeffreylin8100 Рік тому +1

    I just wanted to throw in my unstrung specs
    317.4G 32.8cm SW332

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому

      Thanks! A little higher than my sample. Haha everyone's measuring these! Yours closer to advertised.

  • @bushmenaa
    @bushmenaa Рік тому +3

    Aero pro drive 2004 it the year

    • @Maiqel
      @Maiqel 10 місяців тому +1

      Yes, before that Rafa played with the Soft Drive if I'm not mistaken (either that or "standard" Pure Drive). Carlos Moya (his current coach) used the Soft Drive too. Only with a ton of weight in the tip (it was actually head heavy, one of the few pros if not the only to use such balance).

  • @bushmenaa
    @bushmenaa Рік тому +1

    After your video i am not going to buy it, i am going to customize my 2 2004 models to his specs :)

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Nice, I remember you from previous comments having the OG!

  • @bootsie5396
    @bootsie5396 4 місяці тому

    they still make rackets fir rafa right? hes not playing with shit from the 90s why dont they just sell us those? and if theyre super costly to make that would make it even cooler for a lot of tennis nerds. $800 racket that is is identical to nadals. no ones really made a collectors racket like that.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  4 місяці тому

      I think they prioritize what is consumer friendly. Nadal is a 1 in 1 player. Average tennis players are a dime a dozen and none of them could effectively use his actual racquet. It's a bad business model and wouldn't allow for changes down to line to motivate getting a few racquet. Those are a couple reasons.

  • @MrStudGuy
    @MrStudGuy Рік тому

    Possibly the ugliest racket ever released.

    • @ZeroLoveTennis
      @ZeroLoveTennis  Рік тому +1

      Rafa would take offense 😅

    • @silviutudorescu8114
      @silviutudorescu8114 11 місяців тому +2

      This is so subjective…i find it stand out from boring black and dull paint scheme racquets