@@Vez3D yeah dude, setup would suck. I would drill holes first, try to cut all from one sheet, then use holes to locate and to fixture for second op. Theres alot more to what you have there then people realize. The real issue would be setting up that job for one off, that's where the price comes in. Its nothing so difficult to do, but you would benefit if it was more production oriented. Fine parts though, whoever it was they made beautiful parts. Your machines are a fine line between out of reach and inspiring. I love what your doing, and nice gear for the kiddo! I'm looking to print nylon. Curious i may have just missed your conclusion, but did that mosquito mag get the 80mm volume like they suggested? Your Goliath screams over engineered (in a very good desirable way) how much flow rate does that get in comparison. These hotends cost more than most entry machines, but I want to put together a machine that is worthy of building, so I don't mind getting the best the first time. I'm in the market and wondering how.much the Goliath also will cost, and am hopeful to see a set up with its water cooling. Dude your on the top of the game in the 3dp world right now, you just need this to gain attention and it will set new standards.
My first machine i built from a parts kit, came with no instructions, and made great parts with it! Ended up not liking the frame and after pricing frame the ender3 was in the same price range so I just grabbed one of them. Very simple mods made that machine excellent really, but this was years ago, its at its limits. I've been blown away by corexy builds since I first seen them, looking at designs to either pick on and go, or use elements in my own design. I'm finding you guys have already pushed the concept past limits I thought possible. The flow rate and cooling seem to be the main limits, besides weight and extruder design. You have some true gems in your work, truly amazed with your efforts here. Thank you for putting your self out there, and sharing your time.
man those are some sweet parts Vez, including that gantry and the head frame. really awesome! jut wish i could afford to get them myself here but still saving up for an ocilloscope... oh well ! maybe i can save up again next year (one day). hehe
Like that you are using shoulder bolts, such a underrated part, more diy printers should use them. I was planning on using them in a delta specifically made for speed, but the project died because of not finding the real ball joints, i was looking for something similar to a flsun super racer style. A few specs for interested ones: nema 21, "following" extruder (moves along z axis for shorter bowden), carbon/aluminium effector, dual 8 or 10mm belts
I actually tested the approach of the extruder following the effector, it doesn't work in practice. as in, what happens during homing or when z position isn't known. I ended up designing a custom effector with direct drive sherpa mini. using mag ball joints, works very well, can't hit over 8k accelerations due to g forces on the effector and the magnets in the ball joints give way, but 6500 or so is very workable. my delta is 6' with the basement electronics compartment and 500 mm print area. I actually have the mechanism with the additional veritcal axis which I used when I had it configured with dual extruders and the vertical axis had a platform for purging and filament changes. so it worked, but it would need to have a linear resistor or something similar to not have to home it and have it follow the effector in all cases, just a light weight extruder worked out better and simpler.
@@kazolar well, plan was 10k or more acceleration. The following extruder would need an endstop too, and home with the other steppers. It should only follow the z coordinate, to make configuration and setup easier. I dont know if klipper would support such a thing. As you mentioned the sherpa mini, im going back to bowden on my super racer, the direct drive effector will only be used for high temp or difficult filaments
Chanting : LSD LSD LSD LSD........ oh chit you gonna do a liquid 235 sweet all alunimum Ohhhhh yummy your nailing it we will talk about the cooling kit later,,,,beautiful job Bud!
I was at one point ready to embark on the journey of building a Voron but could never find a kit that was ever more than 90% in stock, also I was reading reports of people having to order replacements for parts that came in their kits that were very bad quailty, I also came across some very disturbed people within the Voron community who were pulling others down for not having a Voron and for using Cura to slice their models, all of this combined really put me off building a Voron so I built a Pro 3D V-King 400 instead from self-sourced parts and the community built around this printer and the Pro 3D YT channel is wonderful with none of the "elitism" I experienced within the wider Voron community, I have heard of and experienced other people being berated by these people who are now in some circles I am told are being labelled The Voron Nazis, I am sure this is not endemic within the Voron community as I have not seen any of this behaviour on this channel or some of the others I watch and since subscribing to this wonderful channel my inner Voron has been reawakened, I just have to come up with a beleivable excuse to earmark the money to build it!
I prone respect and love behavior... and cooperation with other dev. If I see anyone going against this respectful way of doing things and saying things, he is out with no warning. But so far people have been full of love and respect. I love this community.
@@aharkey1077 Go for it my friend! I think building them is more than half the pleasure! I am leaning towards a building a VzBot but I have a deposit down on a Prusa XL and had to do some budget compromising with my better half to justify buying that , I stopped smoking in 2014 and keep a running total of the money I have saved on an Arduino with an ASCII LCD built into the box I used to keep my cigarettes in and I point out that my printing spends are small fry compared to what smoking was costing me! I think I will do the odd purchase here and there for "spare parts" and build it stealthily LOL
@@AndrewAHayes the prusa XL is definitely one of the more innovative products coming from a big manufacturer, very excited to see those make it to the market. Cool project too! I’ve got a 2.4 that’s 80% done just have to wire and write firmware.
Hi, I'm very new to 3d printer maybe about two month ago I bought my first 3d printer. I really like the speed of your printer I think it's very cool to watch the printer that can go so fast, is it possible to build a big 3d printer such as 500x500mm bed size and print as fast as 1000mm/s with the same component? if possible how to calculate the frame size to 500x500mm? TNX
any chance you could get a normal ccost to have those parts cut? I know you got hooked up for free, but ask your buddy who cut them how much they would charge for somthing like that
Thanks for your videos. They are really a great help. I notice that the part that connects to the heat bed on either side is one unit in your video (15:50). I can’t seem to find that version. It looks like the STL’s available for download. Have this part divided into 3 different parts. Where can I download the version in the video?
@@Vez3Dthe vz235 4WD goes with extremely high speed and accel, so I think that stretch or compression of the belt could be an issue. especially in larger form(1000x1000mm), they go with cartesian but not corexy(longer belt) to reduce belt stretch/compression. but still, your gantry is crazy lightweight so I think it fine to go with 6mm belt
@@atcaotien5601 its fine on my 330...it will be better on the 235 and even better with AWD. :) if i do a 500 version... yes it will have to be redesign with bigger belts maybe
hello, whats the next best printer if you come from an Ender 3s1? I mean something that really gives you without a doubt better print quality, more choice of hightemp materials, maybe even more speed etc.? Is there even something when you have about 1000eu to spend? because as i understand the Prusa isnt really a huge upgrade.
It looks nice, but don't you think you're losing quite a bit of torsional stiffness and stiffness overall with that gantry? Some sections are only 4 sprites of metal.
it really depends if you go all in with CNC parts or keep it low cost with printed parts. I think with printed parts you can do it for close to 1000$ maybe ?
Is the Mellow Stor the same store on Ali Express? Or is it Fake? The Mellow store on Ali Express have cool shit, but i not now if it your store or if I can Trust it
@@waym9409 they are both good i think. The 330 offers bigger volume. Its just a different frame design. But we are also working on a awd version for 330
its hard to tell because I used parts that were prototypes and given to me by my partners F3D and Mellow.. but I think you can build this for like 1500-2000$ CAd
Been trying to source all of the components but can't seem to find the 2020 parts for the frame for less than a $100 per bar is there somewhere that's a bit cheaper? it would take me over a year just to get the frame pieces at this price lol
what ? where do you live ? 2020 are cheap eveywhere. We have a frame kit ready for the 330, but not yet for the 235.. but its coming. In fact, the full kit is coming
@@Vez3D in the nw of the US and yeah everywhere I've looked have been ridiculously priced I think the cheapest I found was like 86 for a bar on Amazon but I also don't know where to look either and all of the local hardware store don't carry them
@@rodneythibault9664 look at Zyltech. Its a company in Texas they carry aluminum extrusions and will cut to length. I think I priced out pre cut frame and it was around like 160$
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Metal PARTS
Really loving the build of this.
First :p
Excited for the Vz235! Gonna be a really nice printer. Am planning on making a Vz235-Trident soon.
Great progress! Love the update! Looking forward to the next ones! 😎🤘
Great project, also builds Vz235, but with printed parts. Today a courier delivered the frame parts.
As a machinist this box of parts looks like a pain in the ass not gonna lie, I imagine they weren't cheap. Your work is great thanks for videos
Good to see someone understanding that machining is not easy and not cheap hehe thanks for the kind words
@@Vez3D yeah dude, setup would suck. I would drill holes first, try to cut all from one sheet, then use holes to locate and to fixture for second op. Theres alot more to what you have there then people realize. The real issue would be setting up that job for one off, that's where the price comes in. Its nothing so difficult to do, but you would benefit if it was more production oriented. Fine parts though, whoever it was they made beautiful parts. Your machines are a fine line between out of reach and inspiring. I love what your doing, and nice gear for the kiddo! I'm looking to print nylon. Curious i may have just missed your conclusion, but did that mosquito mag get the 80mm volume like they suggested? Your Goliath screams over engineered (in a very good desirable way) how much flow rate does that get in comparison. These hotends cost more than most entry machines, but I want to put together a machine that is worthy of building, so I don't mind getting the best the first time. I'm in the market and wondering how.much the Goliath also will cost, and am hopeful to see a set up with its water cooling. Dude your on the top of the game in the 3dp world right now, you just need this to gain attention and it will set new standards.
My first machine i built from a parts kit, came with no instructions, and made great parts with it! Ended up not liking the frame and after pricing frame the ender3 was in the same price range so I just grabbed one of them. Very simple mods made that machine excellent really, but this was years ago, its at its limits. I've been blown away by corexy builds since I first seen them, looking at designs to either pick on and go, or use elements in my own design. I'm finding you guys have already pushed the concept past limits I thought possible. The flow rate and cooling seem to be the main limits, besides weight and extruder design. You have some true gems in your work, truly amazed with your efforts here. Thank you for putting your self out there, and sharing your time.
man those are some sweet parts Vez, including that gantry and the head frame. really awesome! jut wish i could afford to get them myself here but still saving up for an ocilloscope... oh well ! maybe i can save up again next year (one day). hehe
looks good, very excited to see the finished product.
Looking great cant wait for part 2
What a good looking and beautiful design and parts! The alu build plate and head design and machining is amazing!
The black and silver extrusions are hawt. Lol. Love it!
Amazing! Looking forward to it getting finished! Your T-Shirt ROXX ! :D
Wow this is amazing, waiting for vz330 AWD kit! Cuz at these crazy speeds printing big will be fun!
I'm very envious.
Dam that's some nice cnc.
Some great work that you and the team have done Simon, can't wait to barely see the toolhead flying around, it'll just be a blur soon 😂😂
Stay tuned for high speed cameras for vzbot the only way to tune....lol
sold. will start ordering parts. have been deciding the next printer to build. what's the eta for mellow to start offering all the cnc aluminum parts?
I can’t wait for part 2 it looks like a great build. Thank you for the video
Like that you are using shoulder bolts, such a underrated part, more diy printers should use them. I was planning on using them in a delta specifically made for speed, but the project died because of not finding the real ball joints, i was looking for something similar to a flsun super racer style.
A few specs for interested ones: nema 21, "following" extruder (moves along z axis for shorter bowden), carbon/aluminium effector, dual 8 or 10mm belts
I actually tested the approach of the extruder following the effector, it doesn't work in practice. as in, what happens during homing or when z position isn't known. I ended up designing a custom effector with direct drive sherpa mini. using mag ball joints, works very well, can't hit over 8k accelerations due to g forces on the effector and the magnets in the ball joints give way, but 6500 or so is very workable. my delta is 6' with the basement electronics compartment and 500 mm print area. I actually have the mechanism with the additional veritcal axis which I used when I had it configured with dual extruders and the vertical axis had a platform for purging and filament changes. so it worked, but it would need to have a linear resistor or something similar to not have to home it and have it follow the effector in all cases, just a light weight extruder worked out better and simpler.
@@kazolar well, plan was 10k or more acceleration. The following extruder would need an endstop too, and home with the other steppers. It should only follow the z coordinate, to make configuration and setup easier. I dont know if klipper would support such a thing.
As you mentioned the sherpa mini, im going back to bowden on my super racer, the direct drive effector will only be used for high temp or difficult filaments
Chanting : LSD LSD LSD LSD........ oh chit you gonna do a liquid 235 sweet all alunimum Ohhhhh yummy your nailing it we will talk about the cooling kit later,,,,beautiful job Bud!
I was at one point ready to embark on the journey of building a Voron but could never find a kit that was ever more than 90% in stock, also I was reading reports of people having to order replacements for parts that came in their kits that were very bad quailty, I also came across some very disturbed people within the Voron community who were pulling others down for not having a Voron and for using Cura to slice their models, all of this combined really put me off building a Voron so I built a Pro 3D V-King 400 instead from self-sourced parts and the community built around this printer and the Pro 3D YT channel is wonderful with none of the "elitism" I experienced within the wider Voron community, I have heard of and experienced other people being berated by these people who are now in some circles I am told are being labelled The Voron Nazis, I am sure this is not endemic within the Voron community as I have not seen any of this behaviour on this channel or some of the others I watch and since subscribing to this wonderful channel my inner Voron has been reawakened, I just have to come up with a beleivable excuse to earmark the money to build it!
I prone respect and love behavior... and cooperation with other dev. If I see anyone going against this respectful way of doing things and saying things, he is out with no warning. But so far people have been full of love and respect. I love this community.
The voron community can be pretty nuts. Still gonna build a 2.4 because the quad leveled floating gantry is the coolest thing out there to me lol.
@@aharkey1077 Go for it my friend! I think building them is more than half the pleasure! I am leaning towards a building a VzBot but I have a deposit down on a Prusa XL and had to do some budget compromising with my better half to justify buying that , I stopped smoking in 2014 and keep a running total of the money I have saved on an Arduino with an ASCII LCD built into the box I used to keep my cigarettes in and I point out that my printing spends are small fry compared to what smoking was costing me! I think I will do the odd purchase here and there for "spare parts" and build it stealthily LOL
@@AndrewAHayes the prusa XL is definitely one of the more innovative products coming from a big manufacturer, very excited to see those make it to the market. Cool project too! I’ve got a 2.4 that’s 80% done just have to wire and write firmware.
Looks awesome, considered having some of those flat gantry parts water jet out of carbon sheet? Wouldn't cost that much!
Can you give any insight on the feet? Maybe a quick short explaining how they attach and why they're designed the way they are?
github.com/VzBoT3D/VzBoT-Vz330/tree/master/Assemblies%20BOM%20and%20STL/Frame/Feet
Great t-shirt!
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Nice T-Shirt !
Hi, I'm very new to 3d printer maybe about two month ago I bought my first 3d printer. I really like the speed of your printer I think it's very cool to watch the printer that can go so fast, is it possible to build a big 3d printer such as 500x500mm bed size and print as fast as 1000mm/s with the same component? if possible how to calculate the frame size to 500x500mm? TNX
Good Job..!
No 3D printed jig for drill holes?
any chance you could get a normal ccost to have those parts cut? I know you got hooked up for free, but ask your buddy who cut them how much they would charge for somthing like that
Thanks for your videos. They are really a great help.
I notice that the part that connects to the heat bed on either side is one unit in your video (15:50). I can’t seem to find that version. It looks like the STL’s available for download. Have this part divided into 3 different parts. Where can I download the version in the video?
VZ235 looks spectacular and I think it is as fancy as voron too. still, personally, I think this could be epic if you go with the 10mm belt
Not sure about this. I dont see a need for 10mm belts. Im curious to know why you think it would be better? :)
@@Vez3Dthe vz235 4WD goes with extremely high speed and accel, so I think that stretch or compression of the belt could be an issue. especially in larger form(1000x1000mm), they go with cartesian but not corexy(longer belt) to reduce belt stretch/compression. but still, your gantry is crazy lightweight so I think it fine to go with 6mm belt
@@atcaotien5601 its fine on my 330...it will be better on the 235 and even better with AWD. :) if i do a 500 version... yes it will have to be redesign with bigger belts maybe
@@Vez3D Thank you!
Wow.
Is it gonna print Metal lol, just kidding aluminum parts look really nice should be super light and rigid, curious to see the results with this setup.
hello, whats the next best printer if you come from an Ender 3s1? I mean something that really gives you without a doubt better print quality, more choice of hightemp materials, maybe even more speed etc.? Is there even something when you have about 1000eu to spend? because as i understand the Prusa isnt really a huge upgrade.
Any reason not to use spring tnuts instead of those little spinny ones?
thought you were gonna throw that built plate on the table as well lmao
It looks nice, but don't you think you're losing quite a bit of torsional stiffness and stiffness overall with that gantry? Some sections are only 4 sprites of metal.
What parts? Xy joiner?
@@Vez3D The gantry itself, in some places the cross section only has the corners of the extruded profile left.
@@Flapdr01 im not worried honestly. We have tested the rigidity and its super sturdy..specially with the aluminum parts
How much is it to build one? I would be vbery interested in building one. What's the best way to approach that? And great video!
it really depends if you go all in with CNC parts or keep it low cost with printed parts. I think with printed parts you can do it for close to 1000$ maybe ?
hi where can i buy the kit? the printer is great
the kit for the Vz235 is not ready yet. We only have individual parts for now.. but in march it should be ready.. or april
Damn how much money did you spend just for the machining!
Is the Mellow Stor the same store on Ali Express? Or is it Fake?
The Mellow store on Ali Express have cool shit, but i not now if it your store or if I can Trust it
Yes you can trust
Mr Vez is the VZBOT 235 2WD 24/48 Volts ?
Your can yes. Your choice. You could go all with 24v too
What is the advantage of those parts for a smaller printer than the parts for the Vz330? 😃
stiffness, worry free, sexyness etc..
@@Vez3D so the vz235 is superior to the vz330?
@@waym9409 they are both good i think. The 330 offers bigger volume. Its just a different frame design. But we are also working on a awd version for 330
Anyone else wondering how much the parts cost to make?
You get alot of voron's for the cost of those alu parts!
You will be very surprised. When the full kit comes out with full alu parts ;)
Final comment. Love the t-shirt.
Hey man can you tell me the total cost for this project and include your currency? I want to see if this is viable for me.
its hard to tell because I used parts that were prototypes and given to me by my partners F3D and Mellow.. but I think you can build this for like 1500-2000$ CAd
amazing work, i would love to build one, but its a bit out my price range, but i still enjoy watching what you have been doing, keep up the great work
one can build it the cheap way and use printed parts too :) with printed parts it stays very cheap and still is good
@@Vez3D nice, i will have to take a look into that.
Where can i buy these aluminum parts
Look in the description
how much does that thing cost realistically?
1250$ us with ALL cnc parts and electronics..everyhting..exept the pi.
Been trying to source all of the components but can't seem to find the 2020 parts for the frame for less than a $100 per bar is there somewhere that's a bit cheaper? it would take me over a year just to get the frame pieces at this price lol
what ? where do you live ? 2020 are cheap eveywhere. We have a frame kit ready for the 330, but not yet for the 235.. but its coming. In fact, the full kit is coming
@@Vez3D in the nw of the US and yeah everywhere I've looked have been ridiculously priced I think the cheapest I found was like 86 for a bar on Amazon but I also don't know where to look either and all of the local hardware store don't carry them
@@rodneythibault9664 look at Zyltech. Its a company in Texas they carry aluminum extrusions and will cut to length. I think I priced out pre cut frame and it was around like 160$
Yay! Cannibalism at its finest! (Sorry, 1.5.)
EDIT: I gotta wait for Part II? Nooooooooooo...
haha good analogy
hi where can i order the part from
F3d-racing-fdm.myshopify.com
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need 500x500 version
The Voron will be reborn into a superior being! I'm so sick of Vorons and their terrible naming convention.
Holy smokes... what a painfully long and useless intro. Just start the build and use voice over or on screen text if background if info is necessary.
The video is a little bit underexposed, especially the closeups
is it ? On my monitors it is ok. OH well.. thanks for the feedback. I will give it more exposure next time :) those comments are apreciated
The outro section is on the sweetspot, the others are a bit dark imho. Or just the lighting angle looks a bit weird.