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The NOT SO GOOD Airplane Ownership Moments of Aggravation
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- Опубліковано 2 кві 2023
- On this video I am going through an Airplane Ownership Moment of Aggravation with one of my airplanes. The airplane has been under an annual for over 2 months because of a part. It wrecked a lot of my plans and I hope to get this sort out quickly. My patience has run out!
I own all the rights to the music on this video. Music tracks produced by Raul Cartagena. All rights reserved!
As an A&P, I can say the answer to your problem is sittting in the right seat. You son needs to get his A&P and pilots license. He will end up being so busy that Dad may have to wait! Thanks so much for the videos!
Hi John! You know, I’ve certainly thought about the idea of Javier becoming a pilot but it never crossed my mind for him to become an A&P. That is certainly something for him to think about 😀. I’ll bring it to his attention. Thanks for sharing such a great idea!
@@FlyingDirty I agree with John, especially if Javier has the mechanical interest. If anything, it will open up multiple future opportunities. I wish I would’ve done this in my honest opinion, but the mechanical side of me didn’t blossom until later in life. Good luck in your transition to KY!
@@joelinnebur As much as I like John’s idea that will be entirely up to Javier. Since I’ve been doing owner assisted annuals for a while with my Six I could do the entire thing but still need to find a mechanic to watch over my shoulder and sign it off. Let’s see what his future holds! 😀
@@FlyingDirty his radio work is coming along nicely btw.
@@joelinnebur he’s impressive on that mic. But he’s flying skills are also pretty darn good. He should be a good step ahead of his training. 😊
That young man is fantastic with the radio communications!
He is doing great! I’ve had him on the radios since he was about 9. I’m hoping he decides to take flying serious enough to get his flight training done so he can fly me around 😀
Student Pilot here in Portland, OR love the videos brother!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Andrew! 😀
The joys of airplane ownership. Definitely feel your challenges but like you said, it is absolutely worth it!
Absolutely 💯 Aviation has become an essential part of my family’s life. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me 😀
Good to see you again, my friend... I totally understand your frustration. In my opinion, there are very few aviation maintenance facilities that are trust worthy. Sadly, they have us by the short hairs, and they take advantage of it. That is why I have been doing my own annuals for the last ten years or more. With the help of a trusted friend, who is an A&P, and another who is an IA, I've saved a ton of money. Without those two good friends, I couldn't afford to fly. With price of fuel, I may have to quit anyway. Thanks, Mr. Resident!
Anyway, I'm glad to see you're smart enough to stay out of possible icing conditions! And, Javier's radio skills are so good, he might make a good ATC! God bless you and your family.
I actually brought the Six back to help with the annual. I've been doing owner assisted annuals for over a decade and I've learned a lot. But I'll now have to find a trustworthy mechanic that will allow me to do that and I think I may have found one. Javier is killing it on the radios and flying the airplane like a trooper. Thanks buddy and it's always great to hear from you my friend!
Awesome info as always
Hi there 😀 How is everything going my great friend? I need to make my way down for another visit soon to check out your progress.
I am learning that aviation can be a patience tester for sure. Especially when you are waiting for parts or other people. Another solid video Raul.
Thank you my friend 😀 I think life in general is an incredible patience tester. Aviation is just another one of those pretty darn amazing experiences where you have to take the good with the bad. But dishonesty takes it to another level.
Raul, I feel your pain. You will see a video very soon with huge news.. I am now an owner as well! I bought Uncles Steves airplane, a 1963 Cessna Skylark 175c with the continental GO-300. I am blessed enough to have him as a mentor as he is an A&P. To that end I do not have to rely on a 3rd party to annual my airplane. I also am blessed to have a hangar neighbor who is has IA. My long term plan is to earn my A&P so I can perform the annual inspection myself.
Hi Buddy! I hear you! I've been doing owner assisted annual on my Six for over a decade and can now do the entire annual on my own with my AI here looking over my shoulder. But I need to find one I can trust in KY. I had my annual set here in KAPA for January but I had to cancel my flight back at the last minute because I was not going to deal with risky weather. So I drove back to Denver and the annual expired on me. But, I need to find another AI over in KY for the future and I think I may have found one for next year! I'm putting pressure on them so I am hoping to have a resolution soon!
I've been in this position lately. My plane had been in that shop for 5 months and felt lied to and also like the end result would still suck. I've thought about going there and taking the plane to somebody else who knows his thing, but the plane was out of annual (it took them so long that I had to post-pone my annual at another shop). It's like being stuck in between a rock and hard place. Now the problem is not even solved and I don't want to take the plan back to this shop and lose it a couple weeks in the best weeks of the year coming up. Courage!
That must have been torturing. I’m very intolerant when it comes to being deceived. I guess I was raised in an environment when ethics was a priority. I feel your pain and thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing, good luck with your challenge - I’m sure you will sort it out. I feel your pain being an Old aircraft jet engine maintainer/manager for 30 odd years. Again, welcome to Kentucky. By way, your co-pilot doing good on radio.😊
Your welcome! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Javier is working those radios like it’s second nature. 😀
Amen brother on ownership issues....
Absolutely! But it’s not much different than anything else I own. Everything in life is about overcoming challenges. The more challenges we take on life the more opportunities for building character and development. Regardless of those occasional moments of frustration the experience of flight has been incredible. 😀
Very understandable about not giving that “company” you six. We had trouble finding a reliable shop as well but struck gold with our current guy at KLZU. He’s a busy shop but, he always finds a few minutes to talk “shop” or suggestions for corrective actions to keep our Cherokee 180 in a very high state / condition. Plus his shop is about 100’ from our hanger! Anyway - I believe you will find that right fix at your new (2nd) home base. You seem to be that kind of guy to resolve this in no time.
Take care and best to your family.
Scott
Thanks Scott! I think we’ll get this solved. I started a process last week and hope I don’t have to escalate this issue. I understand having to wait but I don’t do well with dishonesty. I’ll keep you posted my friend 😀
Thank you for sharing your experience 🙏
Your welcome Tarek 😀
New sub. Enjoyed the ride and chat
Thank you buddy 😀
Enjoyed the video. My plane is going into annual this month and I’m already dreading being without a plane. Hope everything turns out ok for your Saratoga.
I hear you James! 😀 It's an empty feeling! Thanks and best of luck with your annual.
Ha, as I watch your video eagerly awaiting my plane to come out of annual. I beat you at least my parts did show up.
Hi Geoff, lucky you my friend. As soon as I got to Denver I started escalating the situation and hopefully it will get resolved next week to prevent it going into step #2. It sucks dealing with companies that lack ethics. The Six is now under annual and I am hoping to have it by the end of the week or early next week so I can fly back to KY and finish my building project.
I coordinated with my AI and did my annuals at the end of the month for several years. Owner assisted we stared at the end of the month , finished in the early part of the next month. This over a few years moved to date of annuals later in the year from cold winter months to warmer weather.
( unheated hanger) now it’s nicer early summer weather for the annual.
It’s very interesting how different ways of doing things work for us all and for different reasons. I personally like doing mine in the winter because it’s when I use them the least. But having heat is definitely essential to do them in the winter 😀. Owner assisted annuals is a great way to save and learn as much as possible about the airplane. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me my friend 😀 Have a great day and be blessed!
@FlyingDirty my brother and I each have vintage aircraft, and we do one annual in the spring and one in the fall. That way, we have one to use if the other is down.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
@@turninmonyin2noise978 that’s smart! I May consider splitting mine up like that. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family 😀
I feel like I know you and your family and your airplanes. I am truly sorry that you have concerns about the techs and the company performing the annual on the Saratoga. I have been there on a smaller scale with auto repairs. Once the plane is torn down and the part removed…you are at their mercy…I sense that you like to be in control as much as possible as we all do….this feeling of being at their mercy is not a good one. I pray you get it all straightened out and decide not to use this same firm for your annual in the future. Keep up the great videos, I enjoy them and be safe! My best to you and your family.
Thanks a lot Vince and it was such a great pleasure reading your comment. I will definitely keep you posted 😀
@@FlyingDirty I’m looking forward to good news!
@@vincesacco5291 😊
Just discovered your channel. I have always loved flying but could never get my lic due to being severely color blind (Red & Green) I am not to far from you guys, here in C ROCK. I look forward to watching your adventure. Stay safe and good luck with the search for the new mechanic.
Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts with me. So far, I have a few mechanics that I may try out and I’ve begun to escalate the issue with the part and hoping to get it resolved next week.
I'm heading into Month #2 of the Annual Inspection of my Decathlon. Needed to attend to a few things, nothing serious, but still awaiting parts delivery. Early into the process, the Director of Maintenance advised that the fastener holes on the lower engine cowl were severely out of round. Three remedies:
1- replace lower cowl, painting required,
2- the shop would have to put in more time repairing the cowl than the cost of a new one, and,
3- I could take a whack at repairing the cowl. I went with Option #3!
I'm no composite pro, but have more than average DIY experience with fiberglass. I made the repairs, at my shop at home. My mechanic was satisfied with my work, and he signed off on it. I probably put in 20-25 hours in repair time, but I work slow. I'm proud to have put in the sweat equity. I feel a little bit more connected with my airplane. I'm happy that I established a bit of street cred with my mechanic, and show my skills!
I fully understand your frustration with your Saratoga. A parts delay is frustrating, although a frustration on OUR shoulders to deal with. Getting lied to? That's another level, and I don't blame you for not wanting to give that outfit any more of your business. THEY took away trust.
Hi EJ! One of the things I enjoyed the most was doing owner assisted annuals. I got to learn a lot about airplane maintenance that way. I’m want to find a mechanic in KY that will allow me to do that. There’s such a great satisfaction when you do repairs yourself. Great job with your cowl my friend and thanks for sharing your experience. And you are right, it’s the lying and dishonest behavior that I can’t tolerate. Thanks and have a great rest of your day my friend.
@@FlyingDirty I fully understand that an A&P would want to get to know an aircraft owner, get familiar with how they treat their aircraft, before bringing them into owner-assisted Annual Inspections. It only makes sense. They're signing-off on the logbooks. I hope you are able to establish such a relationship in short order in Kentucky. Also, having both your airplanes in Annual at the same time? There has to be a way to stagger that.
@@EJWash57 They were staggered 3 months apart until this happened 😃 But I'm sure I'll put enough pressure to get it resolved sooner than later.
Great content as usual🔥
Thanks a lot buddy 😀
The shop I use is on my home base. I go in and do donkey work for them and keep things moving as best I can. Owner assist. I am now thinking of getting my helicopter ppl and buying an R44 with the Six and my shorter missions I’d fly the helicopter. I’m not retired but I set my own schedule and can do whatever I want basically.
Owner assisted annuals is the way to go. I’ve been doing owner assisted annuals in Colorado and I am still looking for my best options in my new location in KY. Thanks for sharing your comment 😀
I feel your pain. My alternator belt just failed after about 10 hours.
I made it into one of your videos, I was flying on the same frequency and got changed, I am Cherokee 665. We went down to Sun N Burn in Florida.
If you need help I can recommend a few wrenches, if you need a ride, I am just an hour flight away.
Did you? That’s pretty awesome 😎. I’ll have to check it out 😀 Was the belt not aligned properly or just a bad belt? Thanks buddy!
One more thought about the delay, Tell the shop that these planes are a business and are they willing to cover the cost of down time??? Or charge then a percentage of the losses!
I’m hoping I don’t have to escalate the issue but a process has been started. Hopefully I’ll have a quick resolution now.
Thanks for posting again, you have become my favorite channel. I’d like to pick your brain. You have a 6 and a Saratoga. I have been looking for a Cherokee 6 because of its payload versus the Saratoga. However I have stumbled on a conventional tail lance. I have compared specs but would value your opinion as to the payload of 6 vs Lance. I prefer not to have a t tail. Do you have an opinion?
Hi Duane! Thanks a lot buddy! The T-tail Lance was not Piper's best idea. There were several problems with loss of control at lower speeds and overheating issues (mainly in turbo versions). Piper lost a lot of sales and quickly tried to fix the issue by removing the T-tail idea and introducing back the Six in the form of the Saratoga. As for payload, the added retractable gear will take from the useful load but Piper also had the gross weight increased from 3400 lbs to 3600 lbs. With the Lance you should still get a healthy useful load somewhere around 1400 lbs which is very respectable. Best of luck with your airplane purchase venture. Also, FYI, make sure you do a pre-buy inspection and check the log books to make sure there are no wing spar issues and both recent AD's have been taken care off.
Raul do an annual assist with an IA. I did that with my Malibu. I found a bunch of things they missed back in 2021 annual. Fuel pump overhauls don’t take that long. We had one replaced exchanged in one week.
Hi my buddy Al! Absolutely, I've been doing those type of annuals for over a decade in KAPA. That's why I decided to fly the Six back here to get it done. But I'll need to find someone in KY now. I learned how to do the annuals on the Six in my AI's shop with him looking over my shoulder. I wanted to bring the Saratoga but ran out of time and the weather did not allow me to get it out before the annual expired! This winter has been insane for flying! Yes, Exchanges are the fastest way but I wanted to keep my original and do an overhaul. Was quoted 1 week for an exchange and 3 weeks for an overhaul. But going on 2 months of excuses is ridiculous my friend!
Javier sounds good on the radio
He sounds like a pro! He's been on those radios since he was 5 or 6 😀. He flies the airplane really good too! I hope he goes for his training soon!
@@FlyingDirty mano get your CFI. You’re an awesome teacher
Hola Benny, que se cuenta mi hermano? A CFI would not hurt but it's not the direction I want to go. My life is filled with many adventures and I currently look at becoming a CFI as a distraction at this point in time. But knowing me, you never know 😃
how are you getting audio from the headset to the video?
I use this plug from amazon and I have it hooked up to a GoPro Hero 3.
Airplane Cockpit Intercom ATC Radio Recording Cable with Power Cable Adapter Audio Cable for GoPro HERO3 / HERO3+ / HERO4 NOT for Hero 5 and UP.
Raul I hate to say this, but welcome to the post COVID supply chain issue. Now that is not an excuse for the vendor to lie to you and tell you two different stories. I have found if you are up front and honest, the customer may not be happy but they will at least be informed and most likely come back for more work. I am a aircraft mechanic by trade and I have seen this part issue across all faucets of aviation manufacturers (some worse then others) but someday I hope the COVID excuse/cause is gone.
I like John's suggestion of seeing if your son would like to learn to be an A&P, it can be a very good career, it has kept food on my table for 30+ years! I'm sure you will find a good mechanic in the mean time that is fairly close, its just finding one who has an opening in his or her schedule and one that you like personality/skill wise. I would suggest if you can make it happen do one of your annuals early, try to get your airplanes 6 months apart if possible. this will allow for overruns if it is a parts or schedule conflict issue and gives you a bit of a buffer, I wish you were closer as I would help you out, but Fort Worth is a bit of a distance. Well good luck and keep the great content coming and be SAFE out there.
Hi Scott! You don't have to say "I hate to say this" when speaking the truth my friend. Everyone is using it as an excuse and it is getting old and pathetic. Nevertheless, I could deal with delays if everything was handled up front. It is the dishonesty that I have no tolerance for. I also loved John's suggestion! That would be a great idea considering that those airplanes could be his if he wanted them at some point. I do have family in Dallas so don't discount the possibility of me using your assistance in the future. Thank you Scott for the interaction my friend! 😀
Can pm me the shop your talking about ?
I can do that! send me an email. I should have the email link on my website www.flydirty.com.
Are they out of annual yet?
Hi buddy! They thankfully are. 😀 I’ll have an update video coming after this series of videos.
@@FlyingDirty
I am still trying to update my GI275
~3 months for our annual……
Just did a test flight the other day!!!!
I can deal with having to wait depending on the circumstances. But it’s dishonesty that I can’t tolerate. I bet it felt good to get your bird back in the air 😀
@@FlyingDirty
I get ya, our delay was due to part availability, but they were forthcoming with any delays throughout, and when it was ready a rebuilt mag didn’t hold timing so we had to wait a while longer for a new one.
@@Parr4theCourse I had a similar issue with a rebuilt mag. It was sent back with the incorrect timing sequence. Do you have any future flight adventures planned?
@@FlyingDirty
Nothing definite yet….
I’ll see your 3 months and raise you 2! My last annual was 5 months! 😡
I find it odd this kind of vid is on a site with Cat puke vids. Air Craft ANYTHING is only for the wealthy and connected.
This is about the dumbest and most ignorant comment I’ve ever received. Better stated; Aircraft ANYTHING is not for dumb people.