Cuda's to you man, you probably one of the most promising car channel coming up in you-tube, its been neat seeing your creativity and capability in the editing bay improving with each episode, can't wait for the full on TMZ gossip style drag race.
@@CarsAndZebras , Been enjoying your videos for a while now. What's the fastest time you've shown, and which video is it? I'd love to watch. Thanks, great job on these.
I'm a 440SixPack guy from back in the 70's so I was rooting for the Cuda, The Buick had some great hole shots with the front end up with tremendous weigh transfer....The lighter Cuda had the top end charge...would like to see the Cuda against a 70' Buick
Great video! For what its worth, its a "Cuda" not a Barracuda. Cuda is the performance version with everything from a 340 to a 440 Six Barrel with the smaller but more powerful "425 Hemi" in the mix. Six pack is for Dodge, Six Barrel is for Plymouth, although Six Pack sounds better than a Six Barrel. Both are unbelievable and beautiful cars that will never be made like that again!
That went exactly a I expected. The Buick 455 is a low end torque monster, so it came out of the hole like a rocket, but the 'Cuda is sucking down almost 1400 cfm of fuel-air mixture at high rpm, and drove around it.
Cuda driver needs to work on his reaction time....the Mopar didn't launch very hard....the 440 was a bottom end car the Hemi was the top end car? Driver!
The 6 Bbl is very hard to get optimum opening rate. Balance between bog and not quick enough, that explains the 60' disparity. the Buick is a single 4 Bbl... no problem with opening rate, and the 455 is a low end torque brute.
@@tombaxter2241 I looked into your claim, because I could've been wrong (not the first time) and here's what I found. Hemmings, a publication not to be taken lightly, agrees with you and goes into some detail about the carbs. However, Allpar, THE authority on Chrysler history, backs me up ("...They ordered a trio of Holley's best centerhung-float 2300 deuces, totaling 1,200 cfm."). So who's right? Both of us? Sure, why not. It could be there were different setups for different applications, although I've never heard of such a thing. That being what it may, there's obviously a discrepancy and the internet is no help in solving it.
Yes who knows whats correct anymore. I didn't look anything up - my father used to tune them back when they were new and current. He told me they were 1350cfm - 350cfm on the centre carburetor, and 500cfm on each outboard carburetor. He also told me that the 340 six barrel used the exact same carburetors, and they were way too much for it so most owners took off the 6bbl set up and put on a Holley 4bbl and they ran much better.
Mr C & Z, I choose the Cuda because I am a Mopar Guy. Come on it was a no brainer, Lighter Car, more CFM & 4:10 arse end, but I tell you what that Buick knows how to get its arse down the strip, completely surprise me. Through in a set of 4:10 into that Buick maybe the tables would turn. What an intro I thought I was watching a KISS concert with all the pyrotechnics. Another mouth watering video thoroughly enjoy every one of them. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍
I had that same exact drivetrain in a 71 Centurion, ( think LeSabre ) what a sleeper twice as big as the Skylark and only a couple hundred pounds heavier that Cuda would have spotted me five car lengths and never had a chance, It won 14 street races in a row one Wednesday night in Van Nuys back in the day, wire hubcaps and all.
I'll take either. Wich car is sexier though? A Hemi in the Cuda would be way awesome. Most folks were too impatient and ordered what was on the lot instead of opting for the ultimate package. That mafe the Hemi cars verey rare $$$.
Those 4.11's and lighter weight should of helped it get out of the hole better, yet the Buick and 3.73's launched it out a car ahead by the 60. Like what was said before those Buicks are hard to beat out of the hole. I wonder how much a 70 statge 1 and 510 ftlbs would of made a difference. Still a really nice match up.
Glad to see a non-Stage 1 Buick. Very impressive runs in view of the transmission, gearing, weight, and horsepower disadvantage. Suggests a different outcome if it had a 4 speed. Love the Cuda with the vastly less temperamental 440-6.
The Buick lost so much horsepower due to the reduced compression ratio. I'd like to see the same race between both cars, except 1970 versions with higher compression ratios.
Damn that Cuda is so hot looking, and the 71 is my favorite year of the E body cars. LOL the driver must weigh 400 lb, because the curb weight on the 71 is 3,475. The billboards and front 1/4 gills are cool, and make it stand out from the other model years. The only 440 car that I've owned, was a 68 Charger RT with added six pk and was a badass Mopar. If the driver of the Plymouth would have had a better reaction time/60', it wouldn't have been as close as it was and won it on the big end of the track
Something about those quad headlights make it a stand-out for me, like the Chevelle before 71; can't think of any other "small" domestics that had them.
@@bhaggen 70-74 Challenger, 68-74 Charger, 69 Mustang, 68-74 Coronet/Super Bee, Satellite/Road Runner, all the early Chevelles/442/GTO/GS...There were tons of cars with quad headlights, I only named cars that were Chevelle sized or smaller, and I left out lots.
Reaction time wouldn’t have mattered. The brutal low-end torque of that Buick outshined it off the line. In the higher rpms is where the 6 pack shined.
I have always wished that the great cars from the muscle car era could be retested with modern technology...roller cams & lifters , modern fuel injection, new drag radial tires,underdrive serpentine belt,etc...thanks for all the great videos, keep em coming!
There is plenty of that modern stuff in muscle cars. That being said, my naturally aspirated 360LA build is getting a solid flat tappet cam EDM lifters is my nod to modernity along with some M/T ET Street SS tires on the rear. Pffft fuel injection, dual quads on a 360 degree Offenhauser will work just fine. My 2016 392 Charger has all that modern stuff, and it's got plenty of power, probably a bit more than the 360 build will have when done, however it's about a thousand pounds heavier than my '68 Barracuda.
I was expecting the Cuda to win but not in that fashion at all. I figured it would get out early and then the Buick to pull on it towards the end. That Buick is no joke it was right there and that first half of the track wow.
I was fortunate enough to own both of these beautiful cars (not at the same time) and the 'Cuda was always expected to beat everyone at the stoplight, but didn't always do that. While my Buick was never expected to do that, but it always did. Memories.
Someone should point out that in these Pure Stock Drags, cars are paired for elimination based on their time trial times, so these cars would not have competed against each other if their trial times had not been close. Also, the Buick may have originally been an 8.5 to one smog motor, but it's a 10 to one motor now, along with other mods allowed under the rules. I will add that it appears from the way its front end rose coming off the line that the Buick's chassis was better set up for drag racing than the Barracuda's. Both are very good running cars, and both would have been fast brand new, but neither of them would have run twelves right off the showroom floor.
I got my 1st glimpse of a Cuda in 10th grade. An upper classman was revving his engine with his hood opened. I will never forget how beautifully that car sounded.. Another memory about the same time was a different friend getting picked up from school in an 87' Grand National with a higher per-formance chip installed on a rather chilly day. That thing set ya back in the seat if you get my inference. I've always loved these turbo cars. Boy you could hear em winding up and getting after it.
I'm surprised the Cuda could hook up with factory width tires. Those big blocks were heavy in the front. I also thought the 440 six pack and semi cud's came standard with Dana 60s. I think in 1970 there were 8 engine options for a Baracuda and you could order almost any combination of engine trans and rear end. Another great video!!
I've always said, the Hemi is not the Stage 1's competition, the Six Pack is. However, this car is only GS, so its not surprising that the 6 pack car won.
@Dylan Stinson OMG! You're right! I thought it was Stage 1, but it IS only GS. Thank you for pointing that out...I now feel duped and have changed my original post to reflect this revelation, but somehow, I still feel like...RESTITUTION, is in order....hmmmm......someone get a rope......and a horse.....and a tree!
@Dylan Stinson Yeah, the Hemi guys think they're pretty much invincible. I got into it in a PureStockDrags video where an L88 'vette kicked a Hemi 3 for 3. He was all like, the 'vette driver's only 100 lbs. and reacts like a pro stock champ and none of the cars were really "stock", etc., etc.. I dont' know, it was kinda funny. When Buick designed that engine, they really did their homework. Only problem with them, that I'm aware of, is the oil pumps are self-destructive and the bottom end's a little weak, but there's ways around those shortcomings. As a fairly mild performance engine, the 455's (and the 350's!) are really impressive.
Thanks for another great shootout. More AMCs please!! Javelins, AMXs, Hornet SC/360s, SC/Ramblers, maybe a Rebel Machine or Matador Machine (or clone, I know there are VERY few real Matadors with the Machine package extant out there.) I appreciate the Kenosha Killers you've already featured of course. Thanks!
SC/360 just happens to be coming this week. Click on the Instagram link in the video description box and you can see what it looks like. unfortunately, there weren’t any SC/ramblers this year at the pure stocks, and there has not been a rebel machine for at least three years.
Well you hit the nail on the head with Barracuda and Cuda owners their cars are nothing but the best and I'm a Mopar boy they won't even look at me in my a body demon..Too good!! Thanks once again......!!
@The Truth about Africa hurts Ive read that the hemi has most power at high rpm where as the 440 has torque down low. so seems like the 440 would be the most fun on the street? to each there own.
Another great video! What would be super cool would be to find one of the master minds behind getting these cars to run this hard and have a before/after build up and dyno. I have a copy of a Hot Rod Magazine chart, June 1984 pg.40, listing all the times they tested on stock muscle cars with NONE running 12s and only 6 in the 13s, 70 Chevelle SS LS6454 and 70 Hemi Cuda both at 13.1 @ 107... SO, a bunch of these cars WAY over perform under the strict rules of this class. Love to see a build video!
There will be a future video talking about it, but here’s an article on one of the quickest cars that participates : www.hemmings.com/blog/article/animal-charm-1969-chevrolet-chevelle-300-deluxe/
@@CarsAndZebras Good article/link... that explains a lot. I've recently been watching these "pure stock" runs and enjoying them ...butt I don't recall many 'street tuned' and even "race-tuned" legal stock (NOT "pure stock"...but race "stock" class legal) cars of the day running the kinda times that similar "pure stock" cars do now. It looks like some current "pure stock" rules are as, or more, lenient than old race "stock" class rules in the 60's. That, combined with some modern tech, makes the difference from "pureR stock" as it was in the 60s...and showroom fresh road tests as run by magazines etc. It would be nice to find them and do an A-B comparison of the old "stock" clas rules to today's "pure stock" rules and as possible include some modern tech advantages too...If someone knows of such a comparison, a link would be appreciated. BTW, have watched many of these vids and generally like them...
Amazing beautiful cars. They run better than I would have thought, especially the heavier Buick with lower compression. But I see this alot on your videos. With Olds 455s and Buick 455s maybe even Pontiac's, they seem to do just fine. I lived and dove those days and cars. Great memories and cars. Lots of education on your videos. Thanks.
Both cars running 12 second quarters ,both are dialed in and tuned perfect! Drivers getting them to launch out the hole know their vehicles. Buick looked like it was shot out a cannon! Cuda definitely weighs less than 3800 lbs!
@@glennfalzo3718, At least you still have one!! Nice!!! Back in 1984, built mine for around 8 grand. Those, were the days. Lost it, in 91 MOPAR, BABY!!!!
@@glennfalzo3718 I'm right behind you at 55. Use to always get pulled over by L.A.P.D!! What dod did I do, officer??? Nothing, I want to check your car out!! What's under the hood!!! Lol You guys scared the SHIT out of me!!!
Awesome race. Love the Buick vs Mopar battle as it's one of the most talked about match ups in muscle car history. I've always been a die hard Mopar guy but I do have a soft spot for the Brand X GM products (Pontiac Olds and Buick).
@@marioncobaretti2280 Buick was the “gentleman’s muscle car”. Stoplight to stoplight is where it shined. If there’s a two lanes to one merge 200 ft ahead from a stop, I’ll take the Buick. On a road course however, I’ll take the Mopar with a row-your-own tranny.
Back in the day (70's) here in Salt Lake there was a Buick GS Stage 1 very often at the drags. If I remember correctly it had pretty high gears so it wasn't much off the line, but man that car really came on on the top end.
The 455 motors proved you could beat the higher HP engines off the line, and you’d have them to the 1,000 ft Mark... but eventually the torque would fade at the higher revs.
Years ago I read about a GS 455 that was running 10s in a different class. I dont remember what it was called, but the rules were that all parts had to appear stock, so air cleaner, intake, carb, exhaust manifolds ect had to be factory, but could be modified. Port and polish was allowed on heads, intake and exhaust. I think the bottom end was a free for all as well.
Probably was either FAST or Super Car. I don’t think there’s any Buicks currently that are running that quick, I’m sure there was in the past. But there are some L 88 Corvettes running in the nine second range and also a road runner in the 9s.
Nice to see an E-body getting raced, they're all pretty much show queens now. Mopar people may be an odd bunch but E-body guys are almost as bad as Corvette collectors. Oh well their loss that they don't realize A, B, and E-body Mopars were basically the same cars just with different wheelbases and track widths.
There was actually a 1970 hemi Cuda that used to come out, but then he blew the motor. I believe he built it again to FAST drag specs/rules. Pretty crazy 👍
@cars and zebras that's awesome, I know there is a built-up Hemi Cuda that races it was featured in a 1320 video. Thing eats boosted imports like nothing and it's all motor...
I dont know much about modding internals but how would you increase compression without changing the internals or heads? Would it be using a different headgasket?
There were NO 12 second factory stck muscle cars in the 60s and 70s. It didnt take much the get them there, but not one magazine ever tested below 13.10, (1970 454 LS-6 Chevelle). So these are not stock.
Big torque Buicks. Despite porker weight and less rear gear, the thing jumps out of the hole ( especially in round 3) BUT.. the 6 pack's higher end horsepower takes it in the end. I got a sneaky hunch those end carbs on that 440 were opening late, a notorious problem with vac operated Holleys.
All Plymouth "E" body platforms with a 340 C.I.D. and larger engine is called a " "Cuda". Barracuda's were the same platform with either a 225 C.I.D. slant six or 318 C.I.D. V8 engine.
Surprised, I think a 70 stage 1 might have been a different story. That Buick was a torque monster, they would take down Hemi and LS-6 equipped cars. Buick’s engineers hit a home run with that Stage 1 engine.
I have heard several Mopar people say the 440-6 would beat a Hemi. Buick GS people say they are a Hemi Killer. I guess this race proves both (?) camps right. I would say if the Buick had the same cfm induction available, it would be different.
SO, you know what, I just inherited a 1973 Ford mustang, AND it has a 250 cubic inch 6 with 99, yep 99 raw, ungodly horse power, AND a 3 spd manual, but some genius put on headers, dual exhaust and a 2bbl Holley carb, I'm guessing 105 HP at or near the flywheel!!! Get some!!!
I don’t think those tires were what came with the car new, but the BFG radial TA 60 was first available in 1970/1971, so technically they are okay to use. A lot of the drivers use reproduction tires that are radials, but they look like original bias ply tires (Coker).
Hmmmm...suspiciously quick times for cars with 255 and 330 "net" hp. I don't recall any of the 70's magazines testing times this quick. Both cars are nearly or over 2 tons and averaging .50 seconds quicker than old tests. Modern tires? Better fluids? More precise tuning?
Cool match this week! Both impressive in their own way! 👍
Cuda's to you man, you probably one of the most promising car channel coming up in you-tube, its been neat seeing your creativity and capability in the editing bay improving with each episode, can't wait for the full on TMZ gossip style drag race.
You have to ask, if that GS had 10/1 CR, how well it would have done?
@@integratedathleticsystemst546 10.5:1 and, according to my calculations, the change in c.r. would bring the times down to mid-low 12's.
@JB GTO - or how about this; you could learn to quit acting like an entitled crybaby, and realize nobody is forcing you to watch this video. 🤣
@@CarsAndZebras , Been enjoying your videos for a while now. What's the fastest time you've shown, and which video is it? I'd love to watch. Thanks, great job on these.
Win or lose that Buick is one hot sled!
Both of these are hot sleds!!
Great looking car, the paint is unbelievable
Forgot the word lead.
Lead Sled... 😆!
Most G.M.'s look the same.
Like a piece of SSSSHHHH€€V¥
I'm a 440SixPack guy from back in the 70's so I was rooting for the Cuda, The Buick had some great hole shots with the front end up with tremendous weigh transfer....The lighter Cuda had the top end charge...would like to see the Cuda against a 70' Buick
Great video! For what its worth, its a "Cuda" not a Barracuda. Cuda is the performance version with everything from a 340 to a 440 Six Barrel with the smaller but more powerful "425 Hemi" in the mix. Six pack is for Dodge, Six Barrel is for Plymouth, although Six Pack sounds better than a Six Barrel. Both are unbelievable and beautiful cars that will never be made like that again!
Beautiful cars and a nice competitive race.
Definitely a close one 👍
That went exactly a I expected. The Buick 455 is a low end torque monster, so it came out of the hole like a rocket, but the 'Cuda is sucking down almost 1400 cfm of fuel-air mixture at high rpm, and drove around it.
Horsepower takes it.
the Buick got the 60 footer all 3 times...better reaction. the Cuda driver had his engine top-end win the race for him. good times...
Im thinking the Buick was out of revs at 105.
With reaction times like that, I think the Cuda driver pulled up to the line turned the car off and put the keys in his pocket.
Cuda driver needs to work on his reaction time....the Mopar didn't launch very hard....the 440 was a bottom end car the Hemi was the top end car? Driver!
The 6 Bbl is very hard to get optimum opening rate. Balance between bog and not quick enough, that explains the 60' disparity. the Buick is a single 4 Bbl... no problem with opening rate, and the 455 is a low end torque brute.
I like my 3:42 diff in my 455. I had a feeling he'd run out of gear but What A Great Race Regardless 👍👍
The dude in the cuda did a hell of job launching and stirring the shifter, and man does it pour it on half track.💪
Yeah, really wakes up by 1/8 mile 👍
...that's the engine utilizing all 1200 cfm of carburation.
1350 cfm
@@tombaxter2241 I looked into your claim, because I could've been wrong (not the first time) and here's what I found.
Hemmings, a publication not to be taken lightly, agrees with you and goes into some detail about the carbs.
However, Allpar, THE authority on Chrysler history, backs me up ("...They ordered a trio of Holley's best centerhung-float 2300 deuces, totaling 1,200 cfm.").
So who's right? Both of us? Sure, why not.
It could be there were different setups for different applications, although I've never heard of such a thing.
That being what it may, there's obviously a discrepancy and the internet is no help in solving it.
Yes who knows whats correct anymore. I didn't look anything up - my father used to tune them back when they were new and current. He told me they were 1350cfm - 350cfm on the centre carburetor, and 500cfm on each outboard carburetor. He also told me that the 340 six barrel used the exact same carburetors, and they were way too much for it so most owners took off the 6bbl set up and put on a Holley 4bbl and they ran much better.
Mr C & Z,
I choose the Cuda because I am a Mopar Guy.
Come on it was a no brainer,
Lighter Car, more CFM & 4:10 arse end, but I tell you what that Buick knows how to get its arse down the strip, completely surprise me.
Through in a set of 4:10 into that Buick maybe the tables would turn.
What an intro I thought I was watching a KISS concert with all the pyrotechnics.
Another mouth watering video thoroughly enjoy every one of them.
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍
Thanks for watching again!
me too
damn, running 12's stock. That's seriously awesome
I own the 'Cuda. I want to thank Cars and Zebras for their continued support of our Hobby.
Beautiful car, sir👍😃
I had that same exact drivetrain in a 71 Centurion, ( think LeSabre ) what a sleeper twice as big as the Skylark and only a couple hundred pounds heavier that Cuda would have spotted me five car lengths and never had a chance, It won 14 street races in a row one Wednesday night in Van Nuys back in the day, wire hubcaps and all.
I'll take either. Wich car is sexier though? A Hemi in the Cuda would be way awesome. Most folks were too impatient and ordered what was on the lot instead of opting for the ultimate package. That mafe the Hemi cars verey rare $$$.
BOTH cars looked and sounded great! I'm a Mopar guy, but that Buick was something else! I'd take either car and park it in my garage. lol
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I'm a mopar man but this was a pretty good match up. I think the buick held it's own quite well, no shame here 😎👍
agreed. I'm a 'cuda owner and without a doubt know those buicks are not to be taken lightly
It's pretty hard to beat 4:11's with 3:73's all other things being about equal. The Buick really did well.
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@@glennfalzo3718 The Buick had 3:73's.
@@glennfalzo3718 Glen, No problem. Many times I will fast forward a video and God only know what I missed.
Those 4.11's and lighter weight should of helped it get out of the hole better, yet the Buick and 3.73's launched it out a car ahead by the 60. Like what was said before those Buicks are hard to beat out of the hole. I wonder how much a 70 statge 1 and 510 ftlbs would of made a difference. Still a really nice match up.
but the cuda did the best
Glad to see a non-Stage 1 Buick. Very impressive runs in view of the transmission, gearing, weight, and horsepower disadvantage. Suggests a different outcome if it had a 4 speed. Love the Cuda with the vastly less temperamental 440-6.
That is one beautiful GS, and surprisingly quick considering the weight and the modest power it's putting out.
The Buick lost so much horsepower due to the reduced compression ratio. I'd like to see the same race between both cars, except 1970 versions with higher compression ratios.
Buick still had a ton of torque, so off the line it really hangs tough.
Damn that Cuda is so hot looking, and the 71 is my favorite year of the E body cars. LOL the driver must weigh 400 lb, because the curb weight on the 71 is 3,475. The billboards and front 1/4 gills are cool, and make it stand out from the other model years. The only 440 car that I've owned, was a 68 Charger RT with added six pk and was a badass Mopar. If the driver of the Plymouth would have had a better reaction time/60', it wouldn't have been as close as it was and won it on the big end of the track
The gills really make the car. The ‘71 definitely has its own look! 👍
@@CarsAndZebras yes they do, and love the look. BTW, this is one of the best channels on UA-cam 👍🏼
Something about those quad headlights make it a stand-out for me, like the Chevelle before 71; can't think of any other "small" domestics that had them.
@@bhaggen 70-74 Challenger, 68-74 Charger, 69 Mustang, 68-74 Coronet/Super Bee, Satellite/Road Runner, all the early Chevelles/442/GTO/GS...There were tons of cars with quad headlights, I only named cars that were Chevelle sized or smaller, and I left out lots.
Reaction time wouldn’t have mattered. The brutal low-end torque of that Buick outshined it off the line. In the higher rpms is where the 6 pack shined.
GREAT VIDEO! I like how you talked about the times after each race.
Thanks for watching 👍
Buick was good off the line and I surely wouldn't turn my nose up at having her. Love these posts and these great ole cars.
Mopar or No Car! That Buick is a sweet machine too.
Yeah, both cool in their own way 😎
Was there ever any doubt??? MOPAR OR NO CAR 💯😎
I have always wished that the great cars from the muscle car era could be retested with modern technology...roller cams & lifters , modern fuel injection, new drag radial tires,underdrive serpentine belt,etc...thanks for all the great videos, keep em coming!
With those changes you’d see some pretty crazy ETs!
@@CarsAndZebras YES SIR!!! Hemi's & CobraJets with roller cams & drag radials...the e.t.s would be in the super car range! LoL
There is plenty of that modern stuff in muscle cars. That being said, my naturally aspirated 360LA build is getting a solid flat tappet cam EDM lifters is my nod to modernity along with some M/T ET Street SS tires on the rear. Pffft fuel injection, dual quads on a 360 degree Offenhauser will work just fine. My 2016 392 Charger has all that modern stuff, and it's got plenty of power, probably a bit more than the 360 build will have when done, however it's about a thousand pounds heavier than my '68 Barracuda.
Six pack (bbl) starting to breath at the halfway point!
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I was expecting the Cuda to win but not in that fashion at all. I figured it would get out early and then the Buick to pull on it towards the end. That Buick is no joke it was right there and that first half of the track wow.
The Buick should have a quicker launch with 456 gears and all 3 times the Cuda caught the Buick and won
I was fortunate enough to own both of these beautiful cars (not at the same time) and the 'Cuda was always expected to beat everyone at the stoplight, but didn't always do that. While my Buick was never expected to do that, but it always did. Memories.
Someone should point out that in these Pure Stock Drags, cars are paired for elimination based on their time trial times, so these cars would not have competed against each other if their trial times had not been close. Also, the Buick may have originally been an 8.5 to one smog motor, but it's a 10 to one motor now, along with other mods allowed under the rules. I will add that it appears from the way its front end rose coming off the line that the Buick's chassis was better set up for drag racing than the Barracuda's. Both are very good running cars, and both would have been fast brand new, but neither of them would have run twelves right off the showroom floor.
Great videos keep them coming. Would love to see this matchup 1970 style. Hemi Cuda against a Buick GSX might be the battle that ends a lot of debates
I am not sure what I like more the cars or your back story!!!!
Thanks for watching! 👍
The specs on that barracuda are very impressive for 1971!
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Right, Had a 71 Road Runner traded in a 68 for it. I thought there was something wrong with it at first. Till I found out they de tuned them in 71
They waited an extra year to lower compression.
Torque gives the Buick a win in the 1/8th mile, but HP gives the Plymouth the 1/4 mile win
I got my 1st glimpse of a Cuda in 10th grade. An upper classman was revving his engine with his hood opened. I will never forget how beautifully that car sounded..
Another memory about the same time was a different friend getting picked up from school in an 87' Grand National with a higher per-formance chip installed on a rather chilly day. That thing set ya back in the seat if you get my inference. I've always loved these turbo cars. Boy you could hear em winding up and getting after it.
You have the best Channel on UA-cam
Thanks for watching! I’ll keep them coming! 👍
I'm surprised the Cuda could hook up with factory width tires. Those big blocks were heavy in the front. I also thought the 440 six pack and semi cud's came standard with Dana 60s. I think in 1970 there were 8 engine options for a Baracuda and you could order almost any combination of engine trans and rear end. Another great video!!
Thanks for watching! I believe the Dana 60 was only standard on the hemi cars. Optional on others
Buick 455 weighs 50 more pounds than a Chevy 350. Add some aluminum and really drop some weigjt.
I'd like to see the same race but use the 70 versions of each car. Interesting you'd choose the year that Buick dropped their HP a lot.
I've always said, the Hemi is not the Stage 1's competition, the Six Pack is. However, this car is only GS, so its not surprising that the 6 pack car won.
Thanks for watching! 👍
@Dylan Stinson OMG! You're right! I thought it was Stage 1, but it IS only GS. Thank you for pointing that out...I now feel duped and have changed my original post to reflect this revelation, but somehow, I still feel like...RESTITUTION, is in order....hmmmm......someone get a rope......and a horse.....and a tree!
@Dylan Stinson Yeah, the Hemi guys think they're pretty much invincible. I got into it in a PureStockDrags video where an L88 'vette kicked a Hemi 3 for 3. He was all like, the 'vette driver's only 100 lbs. and reacts like a pro stock champ and none of the cars were really "stock", etc., etc.. I dont' know, it was kinda funny. When Buick designed that engine, they really did their homework. Only problem with them, that I'm aware of, is the oil pumps are self-destructive and the bottom end's a little weak, but there's ways around those shortcomings. As a fairly mild performance engine, the 455's (and the 350's!) are really impressive.
Um, the 440 isn't a hemi !
@@markaylott1780 ...um...I never said it was...
Thanks for another great shootout. More AMCs please!! Javelins, AMXs, Hornet SC/360s, SC/Ramblers, maybe a Rebel Machine or Matador Machine (or clone, I know there are VERY few real Matadors with the Machine package extant out there.) I appreciate the Kenosha Killers you've already featured of course. Thanks!
SC/360 just happens to be coming this week. Click on the Instagram link in the video description box and you can see what it looks like. unfortunately, there weren’t any SC/ramblers this year at the pure stocks, and there has not been a rebel machine for at least three years.
yes
Well you hit the nail on the head with Barracuda and Cuda owners their cars are nothing but the best and I'm a Mopar boy they won't even look at me in my a body demon..Too good!! Thanks once again......!!
I was always told that Mopar Big block's were Top End motors Guess they wasn't lying!!
Those 440s were definitely contenders!
That was especially true of the Hemis. Those engines love to rev..
@The Truth about Africa hurts Ive read that the hemi has most power at high rpm where as the 440 has torque down low. so seems like the 440 would be the most fun on the street? to each there own.
That Buick 455 torque gets it out of the hole well but it's 440's horsepower that wins the MPH.
Buick 455s are tough to beat off the line for sure 👍
Cars And Zebras even with a boss 429
mopar go quite far
Such low RPM horsepower.. Those big engines were being choked in ‘71
Another great video! What would be super cool would be to find one of the master minds behind getting these cars to run this hard and have a before/after build up and dyno. I have a copy of a Hot Rod Magazine chart, June 1984 pg.40, listing all the times they tested on stock muscle cars with NONE running 12s and only 6 in the 13s, 70 Chevelle SS LS6454 and 70 Hemi Cuda both at 13.1 @ 107... SO, a bunch of these cars WAY over perform under the strict rules of this class. Love to see a build video!
FYI there were 22 tests in the 15s and in case you think they were obvious dogs the 70 Chevelle SS396/350hp was 15.5 @ 90
There will be a future video talking about it, but here’s an article on one of the quickest cars that participates : www.hemmings.com/blog/article/animal-charm-1969-chevrolet-chevelle-300-deluxe/
@@CarsAndZebras Good article/link... that explains a lot. I've recently been watching these "pure stock" runs and enjoying them ...butt I don't recall many 'street tuned' and even "race-tuned" legal stock (NOT "pure stock"...but race "stock" class legal) cars of the day running the kinda times that similar "pure stock" cars do now. It looks like some current "pure stock" rules are as, or more, lenient than old race "stock" class rules in the 60's. That, combined with some modern tech, makes the difference from "pureR stock" as it was in the 60s...and showroom fresh road tests as run by magazines etc. It would be nice to find them and do an A-B comparison of the old "stock" clas rules to today's "pure stock" rules and as possible include some modern tech advantages too...If someone knows of such a comparison, a link would be appreciated.
BTW, have watched many of these vids and generally like them...
Two gorgeous, classic American muscle cars. Those big block Chrysler engines were absolute beasts, though.
Amazing beautiful cars. They run better than I would have thought, especially the heavier Buick with lower compression. But I see this alot on your videos. With Olds 455s and Buick 455s maybe even Pontiac's, they seem to do just fine. I lived and dove those days and cars. Great memories and cars. Lots of education on your videos. Thanks.
Love that cuda body style. Looked like the wind was blowing in their faces. That flag was standing straight out. The GS has that flatter nose section.
There were some bad headwinds intermittently that day for sure
Both cars running 12 second quarters ,both are dialed in and tuned perfect! Drivers getting them to launch out the hole know their vehicles. Buick looked like it was shot out a cannon! Cuda definitely weighs less than 3800 lbs!
Dude... The Cuda drove around him on the big end all 3 rounds!!
6 pack driver sleeps at the light 3 times and still top ends that fast Buick. Impressive!
Very good race!! We can see who has more tork, but we also see how the six-pack shines!!
Miss my 70 CUDA with that 383 in it!!! Chase is the race!!! Would, always run'em down from behind to WHIP that ASSSZZZZZ!! MOPAR RUNNING HARD!!!!!!!!!
Joe Santana Don’t race at 1/8 mile tracks and you’ll be OK
@@glennfalzo3718, At least you still have one!! Nice!!! Back in 1984, built mine for around 8 grand. Those, were the days. Lost it, in 91 MOPAR, BABY!!!!
@@glennfalzo3718 I'm right behind you at 55. Use to always get pulled over by L.A.P.D!! What dod did I do, officer??? Nothing, I want to check your car out!! What's under the hood!!! Lol You guys scared the SHIT out of me!!!
High school 1978 had a green 1970 cuda 383 magnum. Never lost a race.
i had the 68 formula s 383 4speed.
I'm a MOPAR guy but always liked and respected those bad ass Buicks !! Matter of fact, I owned one ! Beautiful sled with STUMP PULLING POWER !!
Both cars impressed me. That was cool.
Awesome race. Love the Buick vs Mopar battle as it's one of the most talked about match ups in muscle car history. I've always been a die hard Mopar guy but I do have a soft spot for the Brand X GM products (Pontiac Olds and Buick).
3:73 are perfect for 500 ft lbs of torque! Extremely impressive it ran pretty deep into the 12s!!
Best race I've seen in a while.
Awesome content. Please keep up the great work!!!
Yessss Cuda 😎👍🏻
Beautiful machines.. That Buick would be really tough in the 8th.
Cuda,Cuda,CUDA! Nice converter would have helped the Cuda a lot.
Appears as though the Buick bested in RT and/or 60ft...but the xtra 250 LB drags it down by 3/10ths and 3mph .
Be nice to see the slips
Pretty typical Buick off the line, hard to hold onto that lead against a 440.
find every good point on the buick but the cuda passed the finish first - 3 times
@@marioncobaretti2280 Buick was the “gentleman’s muscle car”. Stoplight to stoplight is where it shined. If there’s a two lanes to one merge 200 ft ahead from a stop, I’ll take the Buick. On a road course however, I’ll take the Mopar with a row-your-own tranny.
My mom had a 68 buick lasabre and it did 98 mph in the 1/4 mile.
Back in the day (70's) here in Salt Lake there was a Buick GS Stage 1 very often at the drags. If I remember correctly it had pretty high gears so it wasn't much off the line, but man that car really came on on the top end.
Can't knock either one of those beautiful beast💘. I'd love to see how my 72 Riviera would run.
Bring it out to the Pure Stocks and find out! They match you based on ETs, so you go against an equivalent car.
The 455 motors proved you could beat the higher HP engines off the line, and you’d have them to the 1,000 ft Mark... but eventually the torque would fade at the higher revs.
Wow, That Buick is one beautiful car!
I am a Mopar fan. But I do love the look's of that Buick in them year's I think those were perfect cruising cars.
All this juicy goodness on street tires? No cheater slicks? 😁 NICE
So juicy 💦
@@CarsAndZebras & yet, So Meaty... LOL 😂 😂 😂
Awesome battle, mate! Plymouth power!
Love the ‘71 cuda. My favorite year.
Years ago I read about a GS 455 that was running 10s in a different class. I dont remember what it was called, but the rules were that all parts had to appear stock, so air cleaner, intake, carb, exhaust manifolds ect had to be factory, but could be modified. Port and polish was allowed on heads, intake and exhaust. I think the bottom end was a free for all as well.
Probably was either FAST or Super Car. I don’t think there’s any Buicks currently that are running that quick, I’m sure there was in the past. But there are some L 88 Corvettes running in the nine second range and also a road runner in the 9s.
@@CarsAndZebras I think it was FAST, that rings a bell. It read about it in Hot Rod or something like 15 years ago lol
the 440 mopar wedge is the most powerful wedge in the world,its undeniable,they breathe more carbs more air,win win
Cool,never know which to pick,I love em all!
To be giving up so much horsepower and compression to that 440 - that Buick sure made me proud , tore that ‘Cuda a new one out of the gate 3 for 3 !!
Nice to see an E-body getting raced, they're all pretty much show queens now. Mopar people may be an odd bunch but E-body guys are almost as bad as Corvette collectors. Oh well their loss that they don't realize A, B, and E-body Mopars were basically the same cars just with different wheelbases and track widths.
There was actually a 1970 hemi Cuda that used to come out, but then he blew the motor. I believe he built it again to FAST drag specs/rules. Pretty crazy 👍
@cars and zebras that's awesome, I know there is a built-up Hemi Cuda that races it was featured in a 1320 video. Thing eats boosted imports like nothing and it's all motor...
The Cuda looks sooo much better .then the old man's Buick
I'm a Mopar guy but that Buick is Badass!!!
I dont know much about modding internals but how would you increase compression without changing the internals or heads? Would it be using a different headgasket?
Scotty Hudson
Couldn't you mill the head down?
There were NO 12 second factory stck muscle cars in the 60s and 70s. It didnt take much the get them there, but not one magazine ever tested below 13.10, (1970 454 LS-6 Chevelle). So these are not stock.
Luuuv these cars! 😍
The sound effects etc. are hilarious! 😂
These are both beautiful cars.
I'm not going to go cuz I was always wrong
Big torque Buicks. Despite porker weight and less rear gear, the thing jumps out of the hole ( especially in round 3) BUT.. the 6 pack's higher end horsepower takes it in the end. I got a sneaky hunch those end carbs on that 440 were opening late, a notorious problem with vac operated Holleys.
Cuda caught up mid track & poured it on 🤘🤘🤘
Love them buicks comin from a mopar fan
I'll admit the non Stage 1 GS did hold its own though..
Very true. Impressive car! 👍
it held its testicles while being beaten by a cuda
@@marioncobaretti2280 Fanboyeee much? What, are you 12 years old?
I had to view this one again..such a classic match up (plus YT plopped it into my feed again :)
#thicccarsmatter
Loved your video ! Good job
I called that one right.
That buick had some work done to put it in the 12s.
Samuel Marsh ye this class is allowed mods lol they aren’t truly factory stock
All Plymouth "E" body platforms with a 340 C.I.D. and larger engine is called a " "Cuda". Barracuda's were the same platform with either a 225 C.I.D. slant six or 318 C.I.D. V8 engine.
Surprised, I think a 70 stage 1 might have been a different story. That Buick was a torque monster, they would take down Hemi and LS-6 equipped cars. Buick’s engineers hit a home run with that Stage 1 engine.
I have heard several Mopar people say the 440-6 would beat a Hemi. Buick GS people say they are a Hemi Killer. I guess this race proves both (?) camps right. I would say if the Buick had the same cfm induction available, it would be different.
Love love love love this channel ❤ lol 😆
SO, you know what, I just inherited a 1973 Ford mustang, AND it has a 250 cubic inch 6 with 99, yep 99 raw, ungodly horse power, AND a 3 spd manual, but some genius put on headers, dual exhaust and a 2bbl Holley carb, I'm guessing 105 HP at or near the flywheel!!! Get some!!!
I'm kind of surprised the GS455 isn't a stage 1...
IMO that would be a more even match for the 440 6bbl Cuda... Just Sayin...
Both beautiful cars and very healthy!
I’ve watched a bunch of these and that Buick is the only car I’ve seen with radials and not bias ply tires. I guess they came with radials??
I don’t think those tires were what came with the car new, but the BFG radial TA 60 was first available in 1970/1971, so technically they are okay to use. A lot of the drivers use reproduction tires that are radials, but they look like original bias ply tires (Coker).
Hmmmm...suspiciously quick times for cars with 255 and 330 "net" hp. I don't recall any of the 70's magazines testing times this quick. Both cars are nearly or over 2 tons and averaging .50 seconds quicker than old tests. Modern tires? Better fluids? More precise tuning?
Come on, he even discussed that in detail in the video. Go to 4:08
the 'cuda wasted time smoking the tires.....impressive 'cuda!