How Instagram is Destroying Art
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2024
- Mohammed agbadi talking about the instagram ai policy, how it affects artists, what the art community is doing about it, and some Things I Hate About The Instagram Art Community.
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*_what do you think about instagram vs cara?_*
cara is easily much better and doesn't have AI stuff
Cara is the best option but you're dealing with tech billionaires with money to loose vs one team with a small user base , being realistic I think they will do Thier best to bury cara except the community bands together and exits these platform
They have to improve Cara a lot but I've already created an account and I think I will mostly use it now
Instagram honoured my objection within 30 seconds of submission!! Definitely worth trying to opt out (threaten legl, class action lwst, "I do not consent")
@@Llkolii they honored mine too but I'm afraid that they will find a way to steal my art eventually 😭
Someone needs to make a video that’s titled “instagram is using your face to train AI” so that we can actually spread the seriousness outside of the art community. It’s not just stealing art…it’s stealing selfies, photos of your family, etc. this is so much worse than just stealing art and no one in the general public knows that
Its a breach of privacy, thats what it is
And I thought TikTok is just as worse. Congrats, mister Zuckerberg for making a hell for people trying to protect themselves.
We tried that. That was the first phase, and nobody cared. There was initial disquiet, some people resisted, but the resistance quickly folded because people felt that key social media platforms were virtually unusable unless they relaxed their standards.
Omg dude now 8 year old me is going to be used for cp or smth possibly since my mom has post pics of me on there hope they don’t steal from private accounts
Exactly, and then those get used for explicit content... It's awful in every way. Worst part is, though, most people know it already... They just don't care. It's so disgusting what AI has done.
Its sad how theres nearly no place for artists anymore
There is actually a new place for artists who don't want ai's to steal their art. As far as I heard they are against ai on that platform I need to ask my friend what the name of it was again though
Edit: try UnVale is what my friend said
GO TO CARA!!!!
Ye tried Newgrounds?
everyone is saying it's cara!!! so far it seems like
@@rockingneoncat I'll be waiting, please remember us haha
People always ask: "Who asked for this"
Investors. Investors did.
Hahaha! Yup
I just wish investors don't exist anymore. They ruin everything
Yep. Once art has been fed into an AI, it cannot be undone. There is no way to untrain it. This means once they've done it, no matter how much people complain there is literally nothing that can be done unless they delete the ENTIRE AI model. WHich will not happen, because it takes billions to train and the billionares that own it and investors will not let that happen. This is what they're betting on. When it's too late, it's too late. Whoopsies :)
It will get better as they train it, that is a fact. That's why they're using everyone's art without their consent to train it, because once it's trained enough; artists will not be needed. Throughout history artists have told the truth and painted history, this is about to change. The people with capital/riches wont fear artists anymore, and they wont need to pay them to make their products. That's why they don't care about stealing, because the end justifies the means.
We have been backed into a corner. They don't want artists to have power anymore and they do not want to pay them.
Ok so basically they're being sinners.
Finally, the age-old question has been answered. The "nobody asked for" changes are actually "none of the users asked for, but the investors did" changes.
i just got instagram, and now everyone is moving to Cara. i wish there was a safe place for artists to post their art without a threat. this is destroying the art community.
makes me want to quit trying to become an artist as a job, why am i working so hard to become a great artist if in a couple years it wont even matter anymore
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@@FemboyKaiSakucauss you enjoy it
@@Follyfullidiot i do enjoy it but im putting the extra hours in to improve faster so i can actually survive in this economy, hard to know if it would be better if i just went back into education to get a good 9 to 5
Fr. This year, I was legit planning to start sharing my art on Instagram, but instead, I deleted every post on it.. it's a mess
The amount of artists I follow on Instagram making posts about how they’re shutting their accounts down is just…heartbreaking. I know it probably won’t happen but I hope Meta sees the damage this will do to their platform and at LEAST adds an option to opt out without filling out a form, this is so frustrating as an artist. :(
its meta tho so..the bar is in hell
NO SAME 😭😭 i left instagram for twitter but apparently twitter will be using tweets for AI (and the platform in general is horrible) so im just?? Where do i GOOOO
@@Your20droid Cara is our next best option from what I’ve heard, most people are migrating there (including me) so I hold recommend going there :)
@@Your20droid artist are leaving instagram and they go to "Cara". I haven't tried it yet but it looks promising. Already 500k ppl on it soo... yeah I hope it will be good app
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That's it. I'm gonna post NSFW sketches in Instagram. What they gonna do? Sue me, that they cannot steal it to feed an AI?
Hell yeah, rise of the nsfw
can you glaze/nightshade your works so that it can ruin their AI?
Me too but, not Instagram.
GREAT IDEA
What's your account, I'll follow you.
Now it all shows.... even Adobe, Deviant Art, Artstation....so many places designed FOR artists, now all turn their back on them. And it is even more frustrating to see so many artists just give in to those big brands...just because of the 'exposure' they get. I rly hate all the predatory practises Ai brings
Artspacious FTW
if tired of waiting for it, try Side7, Artfol, Itaku, etc
It's mostly cause we are running out of places to exist online... the majority of spaces and companies are becoming pro Ai in the predatory way sadly...
@@BeJustBe115 I wonder if someone can create a place for artists that are anti ai? I will look into it myself but it'll take me a while to ever get it up and running haha.
Wait, Artstation too?? Since when? I'm only now hearing about this 😭
Literally can't believe tumblr of all places is the place with an easy opt out feature
No wonder why my social media burnout is getting closer and closer.
Why they choose to push all this is beyond me.
My burnout started even before the ai hype was around.. the algorithm went downhill around 2020
@@aeoligarlic4024 it does feel like that. It can certainly be an uphill battle if you're a small creator. Don't get me wrong, at first glance they looked cool. However, how they go about it and feeding off other people's works will being condescending about it is no different than when it comes to plagiarism.
@@aeoligarlic4024 literally, insta is a shit place for literally everyone these days
Money. You make them a small amount of money, but the money the AI scumbags offer is greater, more direct, more guaranteed. It is a no-brainer for people who don't care about humanity or culture, and that's all of our billionaires
they don't want anyone being able to be independent. Artists who are able to work for themselves are an example of what they want to destroy, just like small scale farming, they don't want people independently growing their own food either.
Why is everything against artists now. We can never rest.
Indeed. All those big platforms have unleashed a Nakba on our existence as artists...
[Nakba (meaning "catastrophe) refers to when 700,000 Arabs became refugees both after the establishment of the state of Israel and throughout the Arab-Israeli war]
Literally and you know what’s crazy is that artist are the blueprint of the entire world like we make everything our ideas everything are all the form of art and we’re still at the bottom
Always has been.
Artists historically have always had an important role in bringing ideas to people's attention and challenging the status quo.
They are destroying anything that allows people to be independent of their predatory systems. Small scale farming is another example, they don't want people able to grow their own vegetables, they want us forced to buy the pesticide covered ones from grocery stores.
@@RDSyafriyarof all words my guy
i know this shitshow's been on everyone's mind for the past.. dear god it's been that long but still
seems a bit much dont'cha think?
This isn’t even just an Artist problem, but a problem for ALL users. It’s a perfect violation
What if the whole art community starts posting ugly doodles and borderline offensive content to feed the Ai 🤔
... You're onto something here lol
wait bro is cooking!!
I’m dead serious, it wouldn’t be hard make dozens of ugly doodles or incorrect anatomy within minutes. Then we can just repost those drawings over and over again until we overload the algorithm. The hardest and yet easiest part is getting everyone to join in.
Could be... a funny and comeback solution against AI
@@0nepotential Let me get this straight : you want artist to draw voluntary bad drawings where they don't have to worry about proportions, colors or even proper lines and post them just to f*ck up with AI Art ? ... When do we begin !?
I sucks to say, but I am happy that I am choosing to be an art teacher and not a standalone artist. Just a few years ago it was easy and plausible to naturally promote and grow an art carer online now it's all hate, platforms burying your content, and AI nonsense.
so much bullying and ai nonsense but still it seems like a good time to make videos on the internet! i've seen some new artists doing so well on tiktok teaching art and earning through their content
ive been trying to grow as an artist and animator for the past 3 years, but it feels like at this point its too late to even try. all of this AI, clout chasing, cyberbulling, tiktok knockoffs, art lore, it’s so much, and i’ve found it so hard to grow any of my platforms… everything is just too difficult for artists, especially smaller accounts these days.
Don't give up! There is an audience out there for everyone
Literally same! Hopefully we can teach AI literacy to help protect artists in the future.
Very true.
This is a serious topic. Instagram is using people's art without their permission for AI training, this could literally lead to a lawsuit for copyright infringement! Artists have legal rights to their work and must give permission for their art to be used in such a way. Moreover, if Instagram is violating privacy laws by using individuals' data without their consent, this could also lead to legal consequences. What are they thinking! This whole ordeal is so unethical! My blood is boiling. I hope some lawsuit will come and bite them in the ass smh 😒
I just want to see many people sued Meta for that, since I heard several A I companies were also getting hit by copyright infringement lawsuit.
They think they're safe because the law is yet to catch up: that whatever may change will involve new laws, from which they can claim amnesty because they acted before their actions could be called breaches. You and I both know that plenty of laws already exist and that these companies have already broken them, but since nothing has happened yet... well.
The issue is that they're taking complete advantage of a small passsge in Meta's TOS where the user, while still owning the copyright of their content, agrees to "lend" the publicly posted content to Meta for them to check it for eventual reports, to check if everything's functioning and for possible re-use. Unfortunately this re-use became "selling it to ai companies for scraping" behind everyone's back
ifs NOT stealing if you allow them to have it and post it on their platform. Meta isn't stealing anything, artists are willfully giving it to them. Its not Meta's fault an artist didn't read the fine print of the "free" account. Hars lesson here, nothing is free and everything has a cost.
@@officerM1911 That's a tricky issue though. You always have to agree to scary things just to have your work displayed on a platform, but there has to be a reasonable expectation that they are not going to exploit this beyond functional purposes. That's the whole reason Meta, Adobe et al are changing the deal: they have specific intentions to do bad things, and they want solid legal ground to do so with no possible comeback. The people who posted their work on apparent social media platforms up until now are not to blame, even if strictly speaking the t&cs told them they could get jacked.
Dawg,does everybody hate artists or am I tweakin
like bro
Apparently
most of it stems from jealousy
They always hate artists. Either they always trying to make sure we got paid peanuts, or buy our art AFTER we die. They never wanna see us thrive but let financial bros run amuck in society
That’s what I’m wondering like what did we ever do to them? We just want to bring beauty to the world
Once i saw someone say they were an "AI artist" like no, youare a prompter for an AI generated image that steals probably over billions of artists blood and sweat.
People actually say this type of bs? I am actually hella Heated 🤦🏽♂️
This. Those people also don’t understand that it can become a serious legal issue if it’s found to have copyrighted material.
To be fair, there's a lot more that can go into creating images with AI than just prompting. There are a lot of parts that people use in order to make AI images less volatile, like control net for example. Also some people heavily edit and paint over AI images or use them as rough drafts. I'm not saying that you can compare their work with "real artists'", but there certainly can be more to it than just prompting. (I don't endorse unconsential collection of artists' images btw)
@@MSCardinal the ai still steals others art. Your whole "rough draft" argument means nothing.
Not really. Their use Photoshop and all kinds of things and that takes hours.
This sucks cuz I JUST left twitter cuz that platform stinks and then this happens on Instagram 😀 I’m a friggin bad thing magnet
At this point I don’t even know if I should continue posting my art
😭😭😭😭😭its not youuuuu!!!
@@MohammedAgbadi 😭😭😭😭😭
Hey, all good❤ Its not your fault nor your unluck. Everyone suffers from it, you are not alone. Dont worry, we will win this someday ❤
Honestly, instagram wouldn't have been good to post on regardless of the current AI issue. :/ all the posts are out of order, even hashtags, and they only promote already popular artists / posts while drowning out smaller users
You'd have to be really lucky to grow a following there and keep the engagement high.
Tumblr might be a good place. Tmk it doesn't have any issues. Please inform me if it does tho
It sucks how the popularization of AI is slowly destroying what once was the most secure way for artists to present themselves and eventually make it their actual job.
Like... bruh. I didn't spend 4 years of my life studying Graphic design for this.
Slowly but surely laymen will getting more tired from AI generated poop and started to pay attention more toward real human artist. Just look at AI pictures, they always appear as very bad cgi imitation with nonsensical features too like a person who have wrong fingers number, misplaced feet, or even wrong object placement around the character. Even kid drawing have more realistic depiction that this abomination. Plus ai don't have drawing style other than ugly cgi or wet plastic look, people will become more bored and tired seeing Ai with its ugly style and inaccurate depiction of something.
@@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434 AI bros were so excited to "make a name for themselves" when it came out, and now if you go to deviantart and look at all the AI slop, they get lots of views but essentially no favorites or comments, nobody cares about them. I think most of the views they get are just "Wtf" clicks too.
And sadly, we have people not understanding how it is art theft. 😞
@@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434 ciertamente, es practicamente como los bots o en el caso de la musica el vocaloid pero con voces reales, solo toman conceptoa pre existentes, le ponen brillantina y piensan que son mejor cuamdo incluso muchas veces ponen ideas exageradisimas y se termina viendo mal
@@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434 I’m hoping for this!!
Honestly, i think it actually exposes the problem with current corporations:
We already reached "perfect beauty" in our art, that is for games, drawings, songs, because it's all to the different preferences of differents individuals through creativity, experimention and testing.
But most corporation don't want creativity, they want money, and AI is perfect for that: it's instant and stupid cheap compared to a human.
We get "replaced" in these corporations, but not in the world, because someone out there, will want YOU to draw something for him in YOUR ways and YOUR ideas.
AI art may thrive in one way, by being fast, cheap, and "beautiful" in one way. But no creativity and ideas as long as there is no human to correct it.
But actual artist will always thrive in all differents kind of ways, because we also keep renewing, and our definition of "beautiful" will never be same due to time, and preference.
Don't lose hope nor discourage yourself due to what people say, continue to make art, if you're confident that your art is good, then people will prefer you over AI.
(And avoid Greedy people/Corporations)
Exactamente, la ia es como el photoshop en su momento, solo una herramienta para hacer las cosas mas rapido y barato, pero el arte por gusto o por interes genuino sigue ahi, yo hago arte por gusto y si a la gente le gusta que bueno y si no pues okay, ademas prefiero dibujar muchas veces en tradicional que en digital
Ai art is not beautiful at all its generic and ugly
Exactly. it's more of an inhumane problem with our capitalist economic system.
i still dont undestand why companies still try to force AI to everyone even tho everyone says and shows that they do not like AI * images * yet they force it down our throughts and its not even artists that dont like it its literally everyone
The answer is boomers. They genuinely think AI art is real and have zero semblance on how to detect it
bc money and probably money laundering. corps are just fancy mafias
Its cheaper
So when NVIDIA released the news about their AI model they were implementing, the stock prices went through the roof. I know this might sound like copium or whatever, but "AI" is just the new big stock market buzzword. It'll probably be here for a few years, but it'll eventually fall apart and the market will leach on something else.
@@temperancedraws792 100% this. It's because of shareholders. And all the companies are trying to develop their OWN AI instead of just paying for preexisting ones. The users don't care for it. Including boomers.
My dad was just as frustrated as I was that the freaking META chat thing is under every post and has replaced the search bar (which was actually useful). Who decided that?! Oh wait. oh my god, it's so that they can show off to the shareholders how high the numbers of interactions people have with their crappy AI chat. Even though people are unintentionally clicking on it and getting frustrated about doing so.
Can confirm the opt-out feature. I went and did the entire 15-minute process...
Only for them to ultimately send me an automated email saying " No, we won't let you opt out."
On that note of art apps: "bro, go to bluesky! Bro, Caras, where it's at"
The PROBLEM is most normies dont USE these platforms like Twitter and Instagram. It's pretty much exclusively an artist thing.
To put this in perspective, this would be the artist equivalent to a videogame developer marketing their game to another videogame developer as opposed to a potential player..
Note: this isn't to say DONT use these apps or whatnot, but don't try abandoning ship by deleting everything and propping up "new platform #33 as the next Instagram/ Twitter killer...
Save your stuff, use your platforms,but be ready to move your stuff should the time call for it.
(And invest in starting a website sometime)
And THIS is exactly what I call against human rights! It's so messed up.
This!! it's gonna be hard to make money with no customers, so it's really just an artist supporting artist type app
keep posting your art, but make sure you put some weird shit to contribute to poisoning the data.
This is why I only use cara , unvale and UA-cam to look at people's art
Artfol, BlueSky, Cara and now Unvale? Thank you for mentioning Unvale!
@@MillyKKitty I looked up Bluesky, and looked at the terms of service. Using their platform means you are forced to agree to their arbitration, meaning that any violations they make towards your privacy will have to be settled between you and them, and they can't be sued in a judicial court. I don't trust that at all.
pssst
newgrounds too
Same, I also post my art here on Yt (with watermarks)
Tumblr is a safe place for artists of every form because it's been left alone now ever since the problematic community moved to Twitter
Honestly, I feel like the one thing artists can hope for is ai inbreeding, along with the fact that it can be ridiculously hard to get an ai to do exactly what you want, which could deter people and convince them to hire actual artists. If you try to get an ai to make a character you've made in your head, you'll find it near inpossible to get what you envisioned. Although as an aspiring artist, ai makes me want to keep creating, even if just out of spite and the ability to say 'You'll never take actual creators down because we'll gladly fight to the end.' Besides, in a case of pure irony so, so many ai art companies are sinking and going into bankruptcy because the people who use it don't want to pay for the ai and the company ends up with little to no profit, even if they have subscriptions. Stay strong artists/creators!
Eso es ironicamente bueno de oir, ademas de que la ia necesita gente capacitada en eso y nadie va a tomar cursos complejos o carreras para solventarlo, ademas de la mala imagen que se le da por robar arte, ser parte de estafas y de la mala o nula calidad que puede llegar a tener
In Europe. I tried to opt out, did everything, but for some reason the form refuses to work on mobile or pc. So even if it looks like they give you a choice to opt out, it really is just an illusion in my eyes :).. meta ruins everything
It is honestly exhausting, I really tired of social medias in general, even before AI, it's like all artists are just following trends to grow their accounts, complaining about the algorithm, it's so stressful, that's Why I enjoying Cara so much, I see all kinds of art, beginners, professionals, sketchs, paintings, ocs and fanarts, it's truly amazing
Not having a focus on growth really does wonders for artist's sanity
If they did all of this and "warned" artist, I don't want to imagine what have they done behind our backs. How much info are they stealing concerning our artworks and other stuff. We all know that stealing info is something that has been happening since a while ago. But is getting more and more scary lately
Even about a decade ago when it first started becoming clear that our phones and devices were listening to us, I started to think that pretty soon our own ideas would not be safe. Forget getting a patent, anybody talking about a really good idea with their friends, like a story idea for a graphic novel or idea for an invention will be at risk of those ideas being stolen by the people selling all our data and probably cataloging anything interesting or of potential value.
I'm waiting for the day we hear about some unknown person coming out about their idea being picked up and ran with by corporations who sold their data before they had the chance to even go public with it under their name. Like the guy who wrote the Naruto manga series wouldn't be safe trying to make his manga today on digital devices.
Artists really need a valued community, Cara can be the place but I have no idea where this all is heading to. Apparently before meta launched the generative ai program they have already collected data six months prior. This is disappointing but giving up is not an option.
Newgrounds has a strict No-AI policy.
Why you aren’t using that is beyond me. It has zero of what is being shoved down your throats by big corporations, yet you refuse it.
@@Cubeytheawesome What makes you think I don't use it? Love that you just assume without asking, not everyone lives under the rock sweetheart.
Also Newgrounds isn't that active or well used platform sadly, if only more artists migrated to it like on Cara
Ai art is mid as fuck
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Honestly. It looks lifeless and stiff, almost like a robot did it. Go figure.
Ai “art” has no soul. No effort put into it
Ai "art" is not art to begin with.
@@SHOEBILL_STORK316 why the fuck do you think it call ai art
Tbh to me ai actually looks like its getting even shittier. Like, there are so many mistakes a toddler wouldn't make when drawing. For example the sun would be behind a character and the character's front is somehow lit? The backgrounds being utter shit. Multiple things melding and phasing into each other, the atrociously ugly look of cgi mixed with realism. So many examples of this and people see it as any sort of future, its pathetic how delusional companies and business men get in the name of greed,
using nightshade will make it even worse. Perhaps when AI is so bad that its incomprehensible, human artists will finally be valued again.
AI already peaked, its going to start getting worse because its feeding itself now
Between nightshade and inbreeding (ai art being fed back into the machine), ai is beginning to suffer from instability.
It's so overused by the public that it starts to feed on itself and inherently worsens the mistakes. Couple this with anti-ai viruses like nightshade and at the end ai art will die with a wimper
AI is starting to scrape itself. It`s absolutely scrambling stuff on Facebook
My friends are graduating, we’re all existential with our moving on once again. They said this:
“It sucks that we go to school for like 16-20 years of our life, changing every 4ish years leaving friends behind to make new ones to just be lost again. Like I don’t wanna just be sending memes and reels over instagram everyday and that be the extent of my friendships, I want actual connection again.”
Stay in contact with as many people as you can, visit as life allows, don't give up on genuine connections just because school/the end of it makes you separate physically.
I really believe in Cara. It's experiencing some growing pains because of it's small team and massive growth, but I believe it could become what deviantart was back in the day. A place for artists to thrive with other artists, to build communities, learn and get inspired.
Besides, Cara is extremely Anti-AI to the point where AI "art" is banned
Damn now im interested
With all these problems going on with AI art and such made it so I've had a very hard time finding a place where i can safely share my art :/
@@SutaFokususo is newgrounds, but for some reason you all are too stubborn to use that.
Call me delusional but I'm still convinced that AI art will be a temporary trend.
They can hype it as much they want but, in the end, it will never perfectly reproduce that genuine humanity one can put into their work.
Also, unlike AI, I could still draw on paper if the electricity went out lol
getting work will be incredibly difficult, employers wouldnt need to hire artists anymore and the average person wouldnt need to commission. The trend will die off sure, because eventually it wont be a trend, but just a NORM. Which is even worse
@@FemboyKaiSaku Well, do tell me when it will have become the norm : I would love to see the results just for fun.
@@Kaito57 i would hate to see the results because i will cry
@@FemboyKaiSaku Nah, trust me, comrade : if there is one future I can't believe in, it's definitely the AI/machines replacing human Art.
No matter what, a machine cannot create on its own : if artists "die", then, they will be just stuck using the same samples over and over again and if there's one thing that the public hate, it's repetition. Also, don't forget the number one reason why people start drawing in the first place : because it's fun !
And a machine will never be able to put that fun into its creation : they can make all the pretty pictures they want but you cannot copy an artist heart !
@@FemboyKaiSaku As for the workplaces, there is one thing that I think might stop the companies, especially when more AI laws will roll out - copyright. Currently you cannot copyright AI-generated images, and if they are co-created with human, only human-made parts can be copyrighted, which was what happened to Zarya of thedawn comic a year ago, when it lost the copyright protection of its art, due to it being made by midjourney. And honestly, I doubt that the law in that matter will change in favour of AI, seeing current atmosphere around it.
Cara developers have expressed interest in allowing NSFW work on the platform in the future, but at this time the team is too small and too busy to take on the massive chore that would be managing and reviewing that content! In general, if artists are wanting Cara to be their platform, we need to help them out financially and give them the time to work. Developing an app/website takes time and money, they're already wearing themselves thin trying to keep the servers up since the recent wave of people joining ^^
Agreed! Just downloaded it and it is really nice. It even gives you the opportunity to glaze your art.
If they allow that, i'll create an account asap!!
I deactivated my account months ago because of mental health, guess I gotta go back and delete it entirely.
real, except i don’t know how to get into my abandoned art account. hopefully i deleted it years ago
"because of mental health"
Man, you are weak as fuck.
I super agree, deleted all my social media, and never been better. I settled to a more comfy website (its pillowfort! They ban ai content and there's no algorithm) that reminded me of early tumblr (tumblr is selling user data btw, and the opt-out option sounds bs)
even if you delete it now, that data has already been used.
@@a-goblin their words are the truth. Even if you delete it, or opt out, that can only exempt your future posts or interaction from being trained on, your past data however, is lost in the void of ai scraping bullshit.
You're lucky if you're even given the chance to opt-out atp😓
I’ve seen artists panic to leave sites for smaller ones many times in my years in the space now and it just never lasts, i don’t think I’ll bother with Cara because making so many accounts on site’s just for them to slowly die is exhausting
Uhmm I think this case is a little more extreme than it has ever been. Before it was for visibility, algorithm things, and who knows what else, many people were not bothered by it even if they were it was not a dealbreaker. But this is something more fundamental. And it has a cause in common in values so is probably easier to migrate to a platform which offers the right things.
@@rodrigoalvarezavendano3905 a lot of people left DA for pillowfort for the exact same reasons as instagram, AI, and yet you almost never hear about pillowfort anymore and its pretty dead in my experience.
I didn't see so many people fully deleting their insta accounts in the other cases
@@umpoucodetudoealgumacoisa im not talking exclusively about instagram. As i said to the other person here i seen a LOT of people deleting their accounts when DA introduced their AI and move to pillowfort.
I'm about to say a very bad truth to you. You will always, continuously change account. Social Networks die on daily basis. You will never have a singular platform to post your art for all your life. Just your personal website.
We’re gonna start having to show people art by interacting irl 😢
Going from Australia to China to see your unfinished image of an anime character 😭
Idc anymore im drawing the instagram staff pregnant, tf they gonna do? feed it to the ai?
Add few extra fingies for good measure :)
Thank God the art on my instagram is old and my art style was very inconsistent since I was still figuring myself out, I would be more upset if it was my current artwork. I must say I made the right choice to quit posting on there before I found my art style. I would hate it if they stole it
Same here. Lol. My first posts are from when I was in 8th grade.
I think the massive main sucky thing is too that meta is doing such invasive ai on top of already not really promoting artists. At least with deviantart they are very up front about it as well as the fact they have settings to suppress or cover any ai art on your feed and you can opt out having your art used which is automatically off in the settings.
Honestly, the REAL tragedy is that a worthless phone app for posting pictures of your food has become big enough to make artists gravitate towards it.
What's also sad is that migration won't save you. These companies aren't dumb, they make announcements about training AIs **AFTER** they scrape all the data.
Not just artists, everyone. It will train using your selfies, your face, your friends
Hey thanks for the shoutout towards the end!
Cara will need to put Ads, i would eat the type of ad that apears every "x" number of post´s, if that keep them afloat. Because i cant support them with donations rn.
Exactly! Most people don’t mind adds if the platform is worth it
If they partnered with art brands to show floating ads instead of the ones you scroll by on instinct it would be so useful. The brands would certainly be communicating with their target audience and artists wouldn't mind the non invasive ads
@@umpoucodetudoealgumacoisa That'd make a great ecosystem for art supplies and tools maker, ngl.
@@jenjoestar.then why do people lambast UA-cam for ads, when they don’t have many other options to keep the lights on?
@@Cubeytheawesome Anyone complaining about UA-cam ads and not getting an adblock deserves the ads tbh
Meta really had to do this right before I was about to post to my new art account. Really it's a blessing in disguise that none of my art is on that app
There is another trend called “quiet marketing” which means using only YT and website to marketing arts. It takes longer time to work but no need to worry about this kind of problem.
Its really frustrating because I literally started my Instagram account a year ago. It was really discouraging to see and find out how bad it treats artists. And then this ai crap started. Its was low key kinda scary watching the artist community on both Threads and Instagram panick, but it has died down the last few days though so thats good
I STARTED JUST A WEEK AGO IM PISSED LMAOO
@@Ebiest_iv Oh noooo 💀💀💀
I JUST STARTED A WEEK AGO TOO,all school year I couldn’t wait till the curriculum’s off my ass so i can draw and possibly do commissions,not to mention my friend encouraged me to join too….and then this happens? Im really starting to think I’ve got the worst luck ever 😭😭
Soooo Instagram, if your not giving the option to opt out, are you going to pay the people?
There's really no place for artists to share arts anymore. I'm starting to think back about my career now.
Thank you for discussing about this issue, I feel like more content creators should talk about this more often since its not just a art issue.
AI 'art' should be banned or have strict rules and laws because this isn't especially fair to artists.
I hope this update on Instagram backfires on them in the worst way possible.
Instagram has been stressing me out lately. I’m definitely feeling the burnout and seeing artists leave to Cara made me worried. While it’s a good idea, I don’t want an all artist audience. I want people to see my pet portrait art work.
My artist plan is to just make one big portfolio take a year off posting or more. Just create for fun without the stress. I also can’t leave instagram due to friends being on there and I have lot of artists works inspirations saved in my folders there.
I’ve also archived some of my older work too.
I recognized the left ig post on your thumb nail for this video, and I am “totegruetze”, who commented on that post speaking out against this very weird thinking of kinda just… nodding to all that stuff.
I absolutely love your video, as it is definitely resonating with my own thoughts.
People are only thinking on black and white, meaning either leaving or staying on ig. But in reality, you can simply put pressure on meta by changing to a different strategy, like posting only little thumbnails of your art, only text, impressions, etc. so that your audience knows you’re still there.
It’s mind boggling to me to watch some artists either nodding to being robbed legally or - even WORSE - fighting each other for their opinions on this matter.
In the end, community is the one thing we have to protect the most. Community means power and security. Being strong and loud in times like these.
With social media, the meaning of community has shifted to revolve around one person only; you can replace the word community with followers nowadays, it’s more like a cult. Nothing comparable to the original sense of community we had the luck to enjoy in the early days of Instagram where making profit wasn’t put in focus so much.
Just my thoughts.
Personally I'm kind of on the fence about Cara ☹️
On one hand, I think it's beneficial to have a platform where we have almost full legal rights over our work and it isn't stolen and used to train artificial intelligence. But on the other hand from me personally, I'm trying to sell my work via e-commerce and the majority of my clientele would be on socials such as Instagram, Twitter, etc.
And there's an additional paradox for smaller creators who don't have a large enough audience to make that jump :/
If you do try Cara you can keep it as a place for your portfolio and solely art related blogs, while on Insta you can invest in what will do well on the algorithm, like process Reels and silly Stories. Oftentimes what appeases the algorithm isn't the finished piece of art
Cara will also fall to AI. They don't actually care; they're a corporation. In a few months time when the platform has reached it's peak, they'll remove all the Glaze sponsorships and Anti-AI Measures for some good ol' fashioned ads and money.
Spent hours trying to Opt out, had to move from Instagram to facebook (yes, in the US, they moved theyre policy shit to facebook, read all their cooperate shit, hit the Right ti Object, filled in every single stupid Question box, had to put in a Code, asking for evidence of my work being used for AI, after 2 hours or so, got an email saying theyre reviewing, only for 3 days later to pretty much respond with a "Haha we Denied your stupid Objection as we havent found any info usef for Ai" & it pissed me off cause it just shows how little this works & showing how you can't Even Opt out of this policy if you're in the US cause fuck artists I Guess
Remember the times when people could share their art on Instagram and other users could go and find their art with a hashtag or in the "recent". Those were the good times. I honestly have no idea what instagram is trying to do
AI is ruining us all!!9!9!!Somebody help us!! D:
we need help fr
@@MohammedAgbadi Well, people can help themselves and support Cara or any anti AI art platform at the moment. God only help people who can act to help themselves first.
@@huymaivan8671 What platforms are there? I haven't heard of these so I definitely wanna find them.
@@huymaivan8671some of us draw for niche fanbases and can't afford to move to some app off the radar and lose our general audience
After hearing the news I grit my teeth and wiped 500 posts and stories off my instagram in one night. It’s been 4 years since I’ve been on instagram but I stopped posting art when the algorithm became dominated by repost accounts. Then they made reels and now AI, so I don’t regret my choice a single bit. However I don’t think the situation is entirely hopeless. I’ve been engaging in malicious compliance and posting warped and uncanny images to sabotage the AI, as well as making plans to post art again in the summer that has been altered via editing to be as washed out or overly dark as possible whilst telling my followers how to reverse it on their own. I don’t know how well it will work but I’ll be on Cara in the meantime. Good luck to all my fellow artists! I hope you don’t give up because AI needs such a large dataset that only the most generic styles can be copied. Even if corporations use AI, the public will get bored very quickly. I personally think this will herald a golden age for independent artists and studios since corporate greed has been lowering the quality of their media exponentially every year. The public is tired, thus the situation won’t stagnate forever.
Asi se habla, yo posteare arte manual y mis cosplays (soy cosplayer btw) y dudo que eso alimente a la ia, no me gusta del todo, tiene sus pros como inspiracion pero se que mi vision no es la de todos, ademas voy a no preocuparme por eso, hago cosas por diversion o por simplemente acomodar mis emociones en algo y definitivamente las corporaciones no pueden hacer algo al respecto de eso
Can you share your Cara's profile? I'd be happy to give you a follow
The new platform for artists will have to come together the traditional way: in person.
I've been posting my art on Instagram for so long, and now it's no longer a safe platform for artists to post their art because it is stolen and used to train generative AI.
Shutting down your accounts is what you should've been doing from the start. You should've then put it behind some paywall or re-upload all of your art with a heavy giant watermark. Actually value your work and people will value it just as much. Understand this, If you give it out for free you don't value it...or at least put out 2nd or 3rd grade stuff for free and that's it, anything given for free people take for granted. Even on Artstation you should've been doing it. You have to make this the new meta. Even employers should have to pay. Make it the new normal and they'll get off their stuck up arses and do it. Trust me. Too many artists make NO MONEY from their work and it's time you all put a price tag on your sh**.
Edit: One more thing to easily beat AI. Designs and ideas TRUMP rendering. I learnt that from a concept artist and he's right. Your an artist. Think about that. Ai bros wont ever be able to that...also dont give out the way you design for free either. So many artists do stupid s**% like that.
i recently got confident enough in my art to the point where i created an instagram account to post it. i've not posted anything so far, and with this coming now happening, it's just knocked my confidence back down. i suppose i'll just enjoy my art myself, lmao!
not sure if you’ve done this yet, but I think a video about AI invading Pinterest would be interesting. It’s so hard to find genuine inspiration and reference photos now.
Encerio? Porque yo consigo arte genuino y tutoriales de gente todo el rato, quizas mi pinterest ya esta bien acomodado y no dejo entrar NADA que sea de ia o falso
@@marysita2.09 La mayor parte de mi feed sigue siendo arte real, pero he visto un aumento en las ilustraciones de IA y las imágenes hiperrealistas de modelos IA. Acabo de buscar "high fantasy clothing" y dos de los primeros resultados son IA. (Perdón por mi español. Usé el traductor de Google para esto.)
@@marysita2.09 I wrote a reply to this in Spanish, but I think it just disappeared so I will try again in English - my feed is still mostly real art and photos but I’ve been seeing more and more AI in the past year. I just searched “high fantasy clothing” and the first two results were both AI. The most common things I see are ai character illustrations, ai fashion shows, and generic looking handsome ai male models.
Yeah I’ve found that too, type in something like octopus or pretty mushroom and there will be a load of ai shite.
Thank you so much for this comment
Your videos are color graded so well bro it’s like a movie
Wow. I just opened up my Instagram account not long ago and really considering deleting it at this point. Hard to trust big tech, let alone to avoid fully. Hope the future for us artists is brighter with the fight.
as time passes i believe more and more that ai art is just a fad and nobody is going to remember it throughout the next decade
The further it goes, the more I want a time machine to go back to 2010s. Once 2020 starts again, I would go back again. Over and over. The future is so, so horribly messed up and people seemingly want to help it accelerate towards an even bleaker future. I am so tired of this.
I'm often a late bird when trying something new and exciting in social media.
Heck it took me 4-5 years to try discord after its launch. (To speak with friends I've met along the way) Same could go for any of the platforms I went into. I just wanna be sure that news of such a place turns out to be true and worth.
AI is everywhere, and doing art is becoming a little scary cause sharing a piece is risky, but it won't stop us from being creative and free.
When you feel ready to move on to a new place, take it to heart and move at your own pace. I know I am ❤
for our sake as artists, i just really hope that cara does last and flourish into a really great platform for artists. its just so frustrating that every few years when something like this happens and artists will attempt to make the move to another platform, it never lasts. i remember it happening with artfol a few years ago, but it just didnt have the same reach as insta and twt did. from my first impressions, i feel that cara is very similar to that too - its a great place to post our art safely without the threat of AI and also to network and connect with other artists in a wonderful community, however in terms of trying to reach a new audience and non artists - it is very lacking. as artists we rely on the 'general public' of these platforms to see our art and engage with it, hopefully leading to them being interested to purchase our art if thats something u do as an artist. currently im finding that really hard to do on cara, im hoping it somehow changes tho...
Or, here’s an idea that is better.
Use newgrounds. They’ve been around for 20 years, and are still very popular. And they have a strict no-AI policy, so it has all you are looking for.
I have made an account on Cara because of this video. I was not previously using Instagram for art or anything other than watching dog videos and food, but it still informed me of somewhere new for art stuff
This age of Ai is scary as sht.... Scarlett Johansson's case is scary enough cause training an AI to sound LIKE YOU, can easily get you framed since the AI can say pretty much anything using your voice. I'm in my 3rd year as an art major and was hoping to make this my job but seeing all this drama about stealing and replacing genuine artists makes me worried about my own future. I remember someone saying that art is a luxury and that AI is for those who cant afford it. I HATE THAT WAY OF REASONING, MAAAN 😭😭
Adobe is doing the same thing read their new TOS
Why the hell every company is so obsessed with AI so much?? It doesn't give any good results, the process of watching an actual painting is more fun and interesting rather than some ai bro smashing his fingers on keyboard, atleast i can physically touch my gouache, acrylic, watercolor painting and feel each brush strokes.
I think this is finally the time where we live our lives outside of social media.
Just gonna shared my thoughs about AI :
Actually i had a few problems with AI generated images :
1 - Some of the images use actual part of other art
2 - pepole use AI to generated paid content and someone even call "classic art"
3 - Pepole don't know how to use it (make complete generated images with it)
4 - Pepole use as a aternative to Classic art
Is sad to see something use for help humanity finish like this (not used propely and demonized by the community), hope that both camps will understand that AI is an aid and not an alternative to drawing and was never designed for that, I think we should create a category like "generated images" only for images generated by AI, and In any case, today's models are far from having the necessary skills to help all types of users.
Just share my thoughs
… welp.. time to delete all my posts
😭😭😭
They probably already had trained with the things of the past.. The "opt-out" is probably for the future post. So they already had screwed us...
@@rodrigoalvarezavendano3905 yeah I’m gonna start posting my art in the future on Cara
@@MohammedAgbadiwhy are you replying to everything with 😭😭😭
Deleting your post doesn't do anything, just deactivate the account at that point
I tried to opt out. I even included a screenshot showing US copyright law and told them as the copyright holder, I do not consent to my art being used. It was denied...
TBH the copyright law should be changed to include protection against AI scrapping. Otherwise what's the point in copy right law anymore...
AMERICA 🦅🦅💥🦅
That is against human rights at this point.
Tbh I don't care that much, ai will never be as good as real art
and yet its still taking our jobs..
For me it's more like: I don't care what those stupid programs can randomly create, I'm interested in what a person can create.
So I just don't care about AI.
nott really, you can tell how much AI has truly grown so I wouldn't be so sure T-T
@@gabbytan ai can't actually think about why it's doing what it's doing. An artist can. Ai art cannot be meaningful, because there's no meaning behind a picture made by ai. It can be pretty at best. I understand why people are scared, but I don't think we need to worry too much.
@@dalma0861 ciertamente, lo que se deberia hacer es inclusive ignorarla, darle la espalda y no hacer que la gente detras de todo eso se salga con la suya, inclusive hacer dibujos feos para que el algoritmo se les vaya al carajo y apreciar lo que si se ve hecho por personas
You have such a calming voice, I love your videos!
i barely use instagram ever since it made my mental health in middle school die, but every time i go back to it i find more and more wrong with it than before, and more and more reasons not to come back. are they insane???
„why do you want to opt out?“ because it’s *MY* art and *I* spent and still spend a lot of time practicing so *I* Can improve, not the ai😭😭
it's even worst
if u read all theyr bullshit they even say they use ur content even if u say no
basically if anyone who didn t signed this paper for remove the consence they will be allowed to use ur post anyway for some faking reason
I swear every -year- two months artists get screwed over by these companies 😓
I literally deleted my deviant art when they tried to pull this. Now instagram? This is getting ridiculous.
Newgrounds’ doors are always open.
Just sayin’
I'm in Canada and Meta wouldn't let me submit the form without attaching a SCREENSHOT proving my work or data came up in their AI generation and that it negatively affected me.
Without an attachment the form won't send.
AI is truly ruining Artists, just... not in this exact way we were expecting. what an horrible practice from these corporate jackªsses
If you read in depth, meta uses DMs too. Any texts. You gotta search to find it, it's in their privacy info. That's where it is for me at least. It's horrible. I'm forced to stay, I cannot simply abandon my followers. I may not have many but I worked hard to get where I am. It's so sad.
I saw the sugesstion on tiktok, that everybody should just draw M-Preg mark zuckerberg and his buddies and see how they like feeding this to AI :D
This and even more bad drawings!
They got Instagram, whats next? UA-cam?
😭😭😭😭it's already here
@@MohammedAgbadi it doesn't bat an eye on people making money with AI-generated stuff, but it also goes crazy on all Fanworks that's even for anything other than making money
@@MohammedAgbadiWHA- HOW!?? WHEN!??
Elaborate, please?
yeah real. I heard a certain content creator also said the project about this, like probably it's OpenAI Sora or just another platform, I'm not sure
This is so dystopian i hate this world :[
Thank you so much for this video! I've been seeing a loooot of migration posts so I was really skeptical about instagram. I stopped posting art there years ago but still had my art account inactively hovering in the space. Now I have a proper reason to delete it. :D
As a beginner artist, I'm not too worried about AI art and I think everyone should just focus on their art cause, either way, either way, they're gonna be pushing AI art way what if the cara app starts doing that too to every beginner doesn't let ai art bring you down Ai Art is shitty anyways don't let that distract you from becoming the best artist you can.
cara was founded by photographer, jingna zhang who's had to fight a lengthy copyright battle over the plagarism of her work, which thankfully she won; so not only does she know all too well the struggles we're facing right now, but she despises ai generated slop just as much as we all do. I understand the hesitancy with the website still very much in its infancy, but the fact that it's a space made by artists for artists, there's room for some much needed optimism.
I am very invested in the AI art community, have been following it closely and know that there is more to creating better AI images than just prompting (controlnet for example). Funnily enough though, creating these images that I very much like and put a lot of work into (I don't post them anywhere, they're just for my personal enjoyment), made me want to draw gain. No matter how beautiful an AI image looks on the surface, currently it will just have a lot of imperfections that I find unsatisfying. It also taught me however that not every stroke of my drawing has to be perfect but more so the focal points and the overall "impression" of the image
Don't call it AI art please. It's AI images! We have to shift the meaning!
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Appreciate you!
This is sad because this AI image thing is getting bigger and bigger without any consequences. Though on second thought,AI is just a trend to me. It will die out soon,slowly but surely.
Still though,I posted my Sonic art on there,and after hours of waiting,no likes or new follows. I had to promote it to a friend and shared it on my story to make it grow. Yet on the same day,I saw a 3d Sonic AI image and that got 14 likes?! Sure maybe AI will die,but its still frustating while it happens and happens again!
aw man, just returned to instagram this year, everything was so good...
why do people who just want to share their art and good memories should even fight with all of this AI stuff. :(
AI single handedly made me believe in the human soul
Did you not before 😭
You’re not real
While reading some of the comments, a thought occurred: if ai is trained by scraping images from the web, does this mean it can scrape.. ai generated images as well? As in, the more generated images are out there, the more likely that ai will be trained on itself? Idk maybe there are countermeasures to that, but it's an interesting thought still
any artist app will just die out. Cara is no exception, it's good and all that the app gotten 500k+ new members, but the server cost is a huge issue and ads are needed. A place where there are little to no non-artist will won't help.
Im glad there ppl out there who question Cara, keep them on their toes, it may seem bad but as long as no one spread false information, I think it the right thing to do. no one knows how things will go, all platforms started out not that bad then they all change with time. We cant just take their words for it.
They can hype that crap up as they want, AI art will never be better then REAL art. Period!
This.
AI images! Not AI art!
I went through the opt out process three full times and each time I get spat back out to the beginning after I hit the submit button and wait like a full minute. Great to know how much our concerns mean to Meta 🙂👌
I'm tempted to take my art off Insta and start spamming my gallery with hardcore art of a certain nature.
It's so sad that I have to leave many social media platforms mainly fb & Instagram.The fact I have to try to grow again in other platforms are frustrating.I haven't even grown properly but my progress is already destroyed 😭😭😭