The reason your vid is epic, is because its about fundamentals. The best scope, chassi, caliber etc will not shot for you. Thanks for putting in work. So we can learn.
Often people learn best from *seeing* what not to do, not just being *told* what not to do. At 16:40 you do just that, and that is absolutely the best part of the video for me from a teaching perspective. This video could be called, “The Breath is the Tell.” The tell being the giveaway in poker. Easily the best video I’ve seen on this subject.
This technique looks great! From your last suggestion of getting the rifle as medial on my collar bone as possible and applying less cheek pressure I tightened my groups noticeably. But I continue to see my rifle hop to theft on every shot. I can't wait to try this technique and see the results. I'll keep you posted on the results.
Great follow up to the earlier video. This drill made me realize I need better fine tuning of body position as I’m not getting vertical tracking of the reticle during breathing.
Appreciate you making this video. I admit that I was one of those individuals you called out when you were talking about not bridging the rifle, and only squeezing the rear bag to get my POA. Now I have something to practice on and make my corrections.
I got to put part1 and this vid in to practice today at the range. I purposely didn’t use my protektor model or game changer bags. It was the first time shooting this specific rifle where my poa did not shift and I didn’t have to do anything to be back on target. The amount of joy felt was uncanny. Thank you Phil!! Regardless, I still want to get out and take one of your precision courses sometime
Thanks Phil. Outstanding and a good continuation of your previous vid on this subject from 4 years ago. Please keep generating the content. I find your presentations to be clear and understandable and of course very relevant and useful. Cheers
Such a great video. Great explanation of what you're doing and why. And no editing out the wanky bits. Makes me confident that my practice looks at least a little like yours. Good to see how you train and how I should be training!!
Hey Phil with recoil management and light rifles for hunting, if you were running a suppressor do you limit your caliber to aid in spotting shots or do you just manage the heavy recoil. That’s for the great drill.
Wow! After watching then trying (haven't shot rounds yet. I have a kyl in the back yard for .22lr), but building the bridge with proper connection to the rifle, it's incredible the difference! I look forward to hitting the range. How do you build this connection off a barricade? I'll have to see if you have previous videos out on this content.
Now that im finally healed up enough after my full ankle rebuild, im going to start my training to get back to shooting in matches with this drill. Im a bit crippled anyhow, so ive had to adapt to it, but i still try to push to do things right. If i can manage to buy the land im looking at, maybe ill get to shoot with ya at a match someday
Thanks for the video Phil, Quick question regarding short LOP. Everyone in PRS are shortening their LOP these days since it’s easier to shoot positional and they are bringing the rifle more medial and away from the shoulder pocket. How does that translate into shooting prone and building the bridge. Do you prefer standard lop or shorter and where do you put the buttstock shooting prone, medial or pocket. Thank you
This is a great and complex question. I have a multifaceted response and sending this over a message will not do it justice. I just have to do a video on it. Long story short, I prefer to set my LOP in the prone and adjust when I’m in positional with my body position to recreate my prone body/face mechanics.
Thank you from N.Ireland. I will practise this more. Question: my rifles seem to jump to the right when I fire. My set up: Shoot from left shoulder .308 with a 20" barrel 6.5x55 Swedish with 20" barrel
Part 2 of this series: Applying these concepts to tripod seated Part 3: Tripod kneeling Part 4: Tripod standing Hey, why aren't you saying Keep Your Face On The Gun? That's the coach Velayo trademark. It's like the old Bugs Bunny/Yosemite Sam cartoon: "I paid ta see the high divin act, an I'm a-gonna see the high divin act." Well, I paid to hear Keep Your Face On The Gun, and I'm gonna hear Keep Your Face On The Gun 😂
I would love to see more videos on learning to shoot. Like a zero to hero series. I am a new shooter and am learning by myself. I am having a hard time finding a good series on how to shoot. My rifle is a Howa 1500 with an MDT stock. I reall'y don't know what I am doing but if I get 2 moa at 100 yards I had a good day. I really want to get this down to 1moa max reliably as I would like to be able to hunt up to 300 yards with confidence. Many of the issues such as barrel hopping up and to the left are some of the issues I have and after watching this I realised I am putting 2 much weight on the bag. Thanks for teaching my something new today. I will try to put this into practice my next day at the range.
I like your videos but I have a question The recoil makes my clavicle pain Is it better to do more or I doing something wrong? I know everyone has a different body shape I want to know more clearly where the gun butt connect to body is suitable thank you~~ (Already watched the PART1)
Great video. Does it make any difference whether the butt stock touches the bag and you manipulate the bag or should the butt stock sit on your hand? (Sorry if this question doubled up, asked twice)
Great video. How much grip are you utilizing with your trigger hand? Any back pressure to further secure the stock butt to your shoulder? I recently shot a 375 HH and wondered about handling big bores
I’ve found that heavier rifles, small cartridges require less rearward pressure (PRS style rifles) than lighter rifles, larger cartridges (hunting rifles). A good starting point for hunting rifles would be the weight of the rifle x 1.5 (so if it’s a 12 lb gun, try pulling 18 lbs). Again starting point until you find what works for you. If you pull too much and cause unnecessary muscle tension it is not repeatable nor sustainable in a position if that makes sense.
@@velayo_0317I have found that even while pulling back with about as much force as you say I end up having the gun go everywhere after a shot even on a 6.5cm. Help?
greetings from the other side of the world, i just want to know where to fucos,is it on the reticle or on the target, thank you, a Fan from the Philippines,thank you
This method doesn't use a loop sling. I wonder how well it could perform in rapid-fire, say 10 rounds in 50 seconds, on 2 targets, and 1 mag change in between.
@@velayo_0317 thanks I gave that a test drive last weekend with my .308. It defiantly helped with my long standing vertical groups. Looks like I need a decent bag :)
It's impossible to build the bridge and have the stock STAY in your pocket WITHOUT some loading against the bipod. You can't have ZERO pressure loading against the bipod, if you did the butt-stock would slip and drop instantly to the ground. Your bipod feet were also dragging on the concrete. That causes vibration and tiny hops on the feet making recoil management difficult. The legs of your bipod need to have enough travel to prevent the feet from being drug backwards during recoil. Just because a bipod costs a lot doesn't mean it works properly.
I don’t think I said you should have zero pressure loading the bipod. In the video, I said you shouldn’t need to drive your whole body weight into it to build a solid firing position. And I disagree and showed you it’s possible to manage recoil even with the rifle on concrete. Sure, there’s pressure being applied, but it’s not forward pressure.
The reason your vid is epic, is because its about fundamentals. The best scope, chassi, caliber etc will not shot for you. Thanks for putting in work. So we can learn.
Eagerly awaiting Part 3. ☺️
This is a great video! Need more videos on technique. One video you should is is why right handers tend to recoil up and to the left.
Thanks again for the video Phil! I matured as a shooter over the years, watching your videos on fundamentals. You're an excellent teacher.
Often people learn best from *seeing* what not to do, not just being *told* what not to do.
At 16:40 you do just that, and that is absolutely the best part of the video for me from a teaching perspective.
This video could be called, “The Breath is the Tell.” The tell being the giveaway in poker.
Easily the best video I’ve seen on this subject.
I got a lot out of this. The centralization of the buttstock and "setteling down" with the rifle.
Maybe a close up of what you're actually doing with the rear bag
This technique looks great! From your last suggestion of getting the rifle as medial on my collar bone as possible and applying less cheek pressure I tightened my groups noticeably. But I continue to see my rifle hop to theft on every shot. I can't wait to try this technique and see the results. I'll keep you posted on the results.
Had this very issue today. Wished I would have saw this yesterday! 😂. Great information. Thanks!
Great follow up to the earlier video. This drill made me realize I need better fine tuning of body position as I’m not getting vertical tracking of the reticle during breathing.
Awesome! Thanks! Stuff like this goes a long way towards improving my skills!
Appreciate you making this video. I admit that I was one of those individuals you called out when you were talking about not bridging the rifle, and only squeezing the rear bag to get my POA.
Now I have something to practice on and make my corrections.
Excellent breakdown
Another great video.
I watched the Part 1 series and use the technique for my AR10. I saved your 21 shot drill and will now add this to my practice. Thank you!
I got to put part1 and this vid in to practice today at the range. I purposely didn’t use my protektor model or game changer bags. It was the first time shooting this specific rifle where my poa did not shift and I didn’t have to do anything to be back on target. The amount of joy felt was uncanny. Thank you Phil!! Regardless, I still want to get out and take one of your precision courses sometime
Great video man
thanx phillip for making these videos keeps it in the mined from what you showed us when you were in the uk . paddy
Thanks a lot! That was exactly what I needed! My shooting have got so much better.👍
Thanks Phil. Outstanding and a good continuation of your previous vid on this subject from 4 years ago. Please keep generating the content. I find your presentations to be clear and understandable and of course very relevant and useful. Cheers
Great info as usual Phil. Thanks.
Thanks Joel!
Such a great video. Great explanation of what you're doing and why. And no editing out the wanky bits. Makes me confident that my practice looks at least a little like yours. Good to see how you train and how I should be training!!
Hit like in the first 5 mins. Great video!!
GOOD STUFF! GREAT VIDEO!
Great video Phil!
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 Thank you!
Super nice content. I love how you build the position up and how you explain all details. Thanks a lot, Sir.
Pure Gold! Thanks Phil! 🤘
Now I just need to remember on the clock
Hey Phil with recoil management and light rifles for hunting, if you were running a suppressor do you limit your caliber to aid in spotting shots or do you just manage the heavy recoil. That’s for the great drill.
This video was exactly what I needed. Thank you.
Wow! After watching then trying (haven't shot rounds yet. I have a kyl in the back yard for .22lr), but building the bridge with proper connection to the rifle, it's incredible the difference! I look forward to hitting the range.
How do you build this connection off a barricade? I'll have to see if you have previous videos out on this content.
Appreciate the content man !
Awesome video dude! Thanks a lot.
excellent drill, a great dry fire drill
Now that im finally healed up enough after my full ankle rebuild, im going to start my training to get back to shooting in matches with this drill. Im a bit crippled anyhow, so ive had to adapt to it, but i still try to push to do things right. If i can manage to buy the land im looking at, maybe ill get to shoot with ya at a match someday
Awesome stuff Phil. Appreciate this alot
This was exactly the video i needed, exactly when I needed it. Thanks. Curious what watch that is also!
Yea need these once a week
Excellent video. I'm new to this type of shooting,I just learned a lot!
Great video. Love this type of content.
Thanks Phil
Appreciate this. There is endless content on gear and reloading, but almost nothing on technique. Now do wind reading.
I liked your content, hugs from Brazil.
Ya man needed this thanks !! ❤❤❤
Thank You Phillip. I've struggled trying to figure out the placement of the stock closer to my neck. Is the butt pad riding on your collar bone?
Thanks for the video Phil,
Quick question regarding short LOP. Everyone in PRS are shortening their LOP these days since it’s easier to shoot positional and they are bringing the rifle more medial and away from the shoulder pocket. How does that translate into shooting prone and building the bridge. Do you prefer standard lop or shorter and where do you put the buttstock shooting prone, medial or pocket. Thank you
This is a great and complex question. I have a multifaceted response and sending this over a message will not do it justice. I just have to do a video on it. Long story short, I prefer to set my LOP in the prone and adjust when I’m in positional with my body position to recreate my prone body/face mechanics.
@@velayo_0317 thank you, will be waiting for a video
Thank you from N.Ireland. I will practise this more.
Question: my rifles seem to jump to the right when I fire. My set up:
Shoot from left shoulder
.308 with a 20" barrel
6.5x55 Swedish with 20" barrel
Thanks for the info!!!
very much thanks for your video,
Could you tell us what is your gear ?
If you get an opportunity to show this with a gas gun as well that'd be awesome. I understand not much changes but curious to see it. Thanks.
Hey Phillip, any plans on offering a beginning marksmanship class in the Cody area? (I'm assuming you still live in the Cody area)
Part 2 of this series:
Applying these concepts to tripod seated
Part 3:
Tripod kneeling
Part 4:
Tripod standing
Hey, why aren't you saying Keep Your Face On The Gun? That's the coach Velayo trademark.
It's like the old Bugs Bunny/Yosemite Sam cartoon: "I paid ta see the high divin act, an I'm a-gonna see the high divin act."
Well, I paid to hear Keep Your Face On The Gun, and I'm gonna hear Keep Your Face On The Gun 😂
I would love to see more videos on learning to shoot. Like a zero to hero series.
I am a new shooter and am learning by myself. I am having a hard time finding a good series on how to shoot. My rifle is a Howa 1500 with an MDT stock. I reall'y don't know what I am doing but if I get 2 moa at 100 yards I had a good day. I really want to get this down to 1moa max reliably as I would like to be able to hunt up to 300 yards with confidence.
Many of the issues such as barrel hopping up and to the left are some of the issues I have and after watching this I realised I am putting 2 much weight on the bag. Thanks for teaching my something new today. I will try to put this into practice my next day at the range.
I like your videos but I have a question
The recoil makes my clavicle pain
Is it better to do more or I doing something wrong?
I know everyone has a different body shape
I want to know more clearly
where the gun butt connect to body is suitable
thank you~~
(Already watched the PART1)
Great video. Does it make any difference whether the butt stock touches the bag and you manipulate the bag or should the butt stock sit on your hand? (Sorry if this question doubled up, asked twice)
Can I ask , do I need to rest my head completely on the rifle and cheek??
How do you manage recoil on bigger calibers. With my carbon .300 prc I always come out of my scope due to recoil. Any pointer? Thanks
How do you fit stock into your clavicle when centering it? And do you find it helpful to cant the butt plate angle for a better fit?
I don’t angle it. I just bring it until the left side of the buttstock is touching my neck.
Great video. How much grip are you utilizing with your trigger hand? Any back pressure to further secure the stock butt to your shoulder? I recently shot a 375 HH and wondered about handling big bores
I’ve found that heavier rifles, small cartridges require less rearward pressure (PRS style rifles) than lighter rifles, larger cartridges (hunting rifles). A good starting point for hunting rifles would be the weight of the rifle x 1.5 (so if it’s a 12 lb gun, try pulling 18 lbs). Again starting point until you find what works for you. If you pull too much and cause unnecessary muscle tension it is not repeatable nor sustainable in a position if that makes sense.
@@velayo_0317I have found that even while pulling back with about as much force as you say I end up having the gun go everywhere after a shot even on a 6.5cm. Help?
@@Kartyman550This video should help!
How can I do this training if I do not have a bipod on my rifle? Will I use the sling more in that case?
greetings from the other side of the world, i just want to know where to fucos,is it on the reticle or on the target, thank you, a Fan from the Philippines,thank you
Tito Phil, how do you like the Carbon Fiber barrel?
This method doesn't use a loop sling. I wonder how well it could perform in rapid-fire, say 10 rounds in 50 seconds, on 2 targets, and 1 mag change in between.
I assume the same method applies to semi-auto? Are there any differences?
Would this process be the same running a semi-auto platform
What bag/ bag size do you recommend?
Apologies my question isn’t related to the context of the video, but the rifle instead. Action 700 or a tikka? Cartridge?
It’s a Lone Peak Fuzion Ti (Rem700). 6.5x47 with a PROOF Carbon Fiber barrel at 24”
So to clarify your support hand is what’s contacting the butt stock, the butt isn’t really resting on the bag?
That’s correct.
@@velayo_0317 thanks I gave that a test drive last weekend with my .308. It defiantly helped with my long standing vertical groups. Looks like I need a decent bag :)
Anyone else stop breathing during this video! 😂
What barrel length is the rifle?
Bro, you done laid off the weights?? where them big guns from the other vid?? lol /l=k
So you are not doing natural point of aim or just a modify version
It's impossible to build the bridge and have the stock STAY in your pocket WITHOUT some loading against the bipod. You can't have ZERO pressure loading against the bipod, if you did the butt-stock would slip and drop instantly to the ground. Your bipod feet were also dragging on the concrete. That causes vibration and tiny hops on the feet making recoil management difficult. The legs of your bipod need to have enough travel to prevent the feet from being drug backwards during recoil. Just because a bipod costs a lot doesn't mean it works properly.
I don’t think I said you should have zero pressure loading the bipod. In the video, I said you shouldn’t need to drive your whole body weight into it to build a solid firing position. And I disagree and showed you it’s possible to manage recoil even with the rifle on concrete. Sure, there’s pressure being applied, but it’s not forward pressure.
You’re comment isn’t hitting as hard as you think it is buddy😂
Well you made yourself look dumb haha