Ever since this bike came out to replace the old generation CB 1000. I was wondering when someone was going to fix these ETV tables. The bike was clearly heavily restricted from the factory when the dino showed a 15+ horsepower deficit across the entire range versus the last model with the exception of the very peak power at around 11,000 RPM nudging over about two or 3 hp total Which allowed it to be advertised as more powerful than the last one I loved my 2012 model as a commuter and decently fun weekend bike but the new one had no place in my garage at all
Just got my ECU back for my CB1000R. Took the Honda for a ride and i can absolutely say the bike performs so much better. My only modification is a Akrapovic slip-on muffler and consistent 93/94 octane. The bike just pulls so much harder than stock mapping. Overall around town riding has improved as well. the engine braking isn't as pronounced as it once was. Bike feels way more in control.
I've a 2018 that I bought with an ebay special cat delete on the stock ecu and it was soooo lean you could hear it and the headers would glow in broad daylight. I installed a black widow full system with rapidbike evo and it was night and day. Everyone had complained about the lack of midrange torque in reviews but with better fueling you can snatch it up on one wheel in third gear. I still need to do a full tune to see if I can clean up the on off throttle on tight radius turns but it sounds better and pulls waaay harder than stock all the way to redline. These bikes are so muffed stock it's insane. There is real liter bike power with this one simple trick.
Is it possible to tune it with the stock exhaust or is it not possible to make it much better with the stock or will a slip on be a better or more easy solution😊
Amazing job! Can you get some improvement with the original exhaust? I have a 2022 black edition and I don't know if I would get a noticeable improvement with the flash... Thank you very much
I hope you wrap the ECUs in caution tape before sending them back so people know not to fuck around and find out cranking the throttle the first time lol
It won't catch anyone by surprise. It isn't snappy in any way. It's simply MUCH smoother and stronger than it was with the hot garbage that Honda had in place originally.
I was set up with you guys 2 times to get this bike tuned never happened. Someone said at your shop and I quote, "This bike is untunable". Maybe 3rd times the charm.
Have you worked on a new 2024 Honda Africa Twin 1100? The fuelling on these isn’t good, but Honda changed the ECU from previous versions, so don’t know if they are “tamper proof”!
I second this. The etv maps on the 2024s in the lower gears is abysmal. I might as well just got a middleweight adv if I'm going to get middleweight performance.
Makes sense considering it’s a tuned down fire blade engine. Is the ECU flash only editing the Sport riding mode? Like are rain and standard modes going to be the same as they were before? It would be nice to have that flexibility so you aren’t just crushing gas everywhere.
I have a question. How does a tuner account for the difference in airflow? Of course, the amount of air the engine can draw in is quite different outside while the bike is moving than in the dyno room where it's stationary. Especially sport bikes that have their intake in their face and the speed they move at directly affects how much air is rammed in there. So, how do you account for that?
This is an upside of street tuning or track tuning, lots of fans work, but aren't the same, especially on a bike like a Fireblade with a crazy ram air system.
Have you done/are you planning to do a BMW F900R? They can really benefit from a remap from what I've heard and felt first hand on mine. RS2E in Germany have done a pretty good job and I think the NA customer base would maybe also be interested. I'm mostly hyped to see you work on that thang
Jeeze i'm glad I never picked one of these up for a 1000 that power output is horrible, hoping the new CB1000 Hornet ( if it ever comes out) is better.
I'm already sending you guys my MT09 ecu but if I could get my 2021 CB1000R flashed at the same time?? Do you guys have a tune for stock exhaust with just a slip-on? I'll send both bikes...
The application engineer probably eyeballed the US Mapping xD. Will you do a R1200 LC engine? I have a R1200RS and thinking about doing it myself, but i dont have a dyno. Logging is not as easy as with a car.
Is it true that valves in all exhausts are best removed? I have a 2007 CBR10000RR, called Fireblade in UK. I had it mapped, and the guy said PAIRS and cat out but leave the valve. He said it has a big effect on promoting low engine speed torque, which was my main aim, low speed tractability. Would you not agree?
the exhaust valves opening and closing can be controlled with the new map, and yes, it might make a difference in your numbers based on how they're manipulated. I'm surprised, does your 07 blade have exhaust valves in them? Those are for newer gen bikes these days.
@aniv5833 I don't know if US models had the valves, never seen a US bike. I'd guess they did for simplicity sake. The valve is supposed to support the bottom end torque.
Don't forget that steel backbone frame, too, (even first gen fz1s at least got steel festherbeds.... ). Honda could build world-beaters if they wanted to, but the last cool bike they made was the RC51. They're resting on their laurels, banking on their name.
@@MrKamechan Honda has always been a very stubborn company when it comes to motorcycles. They have never really got their heads around the concept of the factory "street fighter" that was kick-started with the original aprilia Tuono. They're still stuck in the days when a naked bike was a "retuned" - Japanese speak for chopping the top end rush and no gains anywhere else in the rev range - sportsbike motor in a budget chassis. Everyone else is taking a nod from the KTM Superduke, whilst Honda is sticking with the Suzuki Bandit formula.
You must be out your noggin this bike is awesome I got the moore mafia tune once you get that 20 restricted hp back it’s a monster thats if you know how to use it 👍🏽
@@pauln6803 The 2001 Yamaha FZ1 was the first naked or upright sportbike to offer performance close to a sportbike. It was neutered somewhat, but not near as much as those that preceded it and was much closer to what people wanted. The road to the hyper nakeds that came afterwards (which is when I lost interest) was paved by that bike.
One has to thank europe for this low power, they are very strict with noise and emissions, also, Honda are still using the same engine apart some minor mods from way back.
whats "so much change".... every factory ecu can be bettered one way or another.... these are blazing fast, far more than most riders can handle out of the box, but tuning them makes them utter amazing fun
Because they’re gorgeous, have Honda reliability with the bulletproof CBR1000 motor, and are easy to make into a proper naked weapon of a bike. Flash, full exhaust system, Ohlins shock and you’re dialed.
I have an MT-10 SP but every time I see a properly modded CB1000 I can’t stop but appreciate how they look.
And as a cb1000r owner. I love your engine more than any engine
Respect for putting in the work to get the most out of this bike. I've always loved the look and sound of these bikes
Ever since this bike came out to replace the old generation CB 1000. I was wondering when someone was going to fix these ETV tables. The bike was clearly heavily restricted from the factory when the dino showed a 15+ horsepower deficit across the entire range versus the last model with the exception of the very peak power at around 11,000 RPM nudging over about two or 3 hp total Which allowed it to be advertised as more powerful than the last one
I loved my 2012 model as a commuter and decently fun weekend bike but the new one had no place in my garage at all
Love to see the process. Cheers, Nate.
Fricken pumped!! Just picked up the tune. Sending out the ecu tomorrow!
Just got my ECU back for my CB1000R. Took the Honda for a ride and i can absolutely say the bike performs so much better. My only modification is a Akrapovic slip-on muffler and consistent 93/94 octane. The bike just pulls so much harder than stock mapping. Overall around town riding has improved as well. the engine braking isn't as pronounced as it once was. Bike feels way more in control.
I am so excited to send my ecu back. The canyons runs should feel excelente
I've a 2018 that I bought with an ebay special cat delete on the stock ecu and it was soooo lean you could hear it and the headers would glow in broad daylight. I installed a black widow full system with rapidbike evo and it was night and day. Everyone had complained about the lack of midrange torque in reviews but with better fueling you can snatch it up on one wheel in third gear. I still need to do a full tune to see if I can clean up the on off throttle on tight radius turns but it sounds better and pulls waaay harder than stock all the way to redline. These bikes are so muffed stock it's insane. There is real liter bike power with this one simple trick.
Is it possible to tune it with the stock exhaust or is it not possible to make it much better with the stock or will a slip on be a better or more easy solution😊
Both! We will have stock exhaust mapping built next week.
Amazing job! Can you get some improvement with the original exhaust? I have a 2022 black edition and I don't know if I would get a noticeable improvement with the flash...
Thank you very much
I hope you wrap the ECUs in caution tape before sending them back so people know not to fuck around and find out cranking the throttle the first time lol
It won't catch anyone by surprise. It isn't snappy in any way. It's simply MUCH smoother and stronger than it was with the hot garbage that Honda had in place originally.
Well done…Looking forward to see cbr1000rr-r on your dyno.
Any chance you guys will ever get a tune for a 1290 Super Duke?
how's the fuel consumption after flashing?
I was set up with you guys 2 times to get this bike tuned never happened. Someone said at your shop and I quote, "This bike is untunable". Maybe 3rd times the charm.
Have you worked on a new 2024 Honda Africa Twin 1100? The fuelling on these isn’t good, but Honda changed the ECU from previous versions, so don’t know if they are “tamper proof”!
I second this. The etv maps on the 2024s in the lower gears is abysmal. I might as well just got a middleweight adv if I'm going to get middleweight performance.
Please do this for a Honda Rebel 1100. Two maps emissions compliant and full power.
Makes sense considering it’s a tuned down fire blade engine. Is the ECU flash only editing the Sport riding mode? Like are rain and standard modes going to be the same as they were before? It would be nice to have that flexibility so you aren’t just crushing gas everywhere.
I also like to know this
I reached out to 2wdw and they said the modes still function as they should.
I have a question. How does a tuner account for the difference in airflow? Of course, the amount of air the engine can draw in is quite different outside while the bike is moving than in the dyno room where it's stationary. Especially sport bikes that have their intake in their face and the speed they move at directly affects how much air is rammed in there. So, how do you account for that?
Ride the bike?
This is an upside of street tuning or track tuning, lots of fans work, but aren't the same, especially on a bike like a Fireblade with a crazy ram air system.
How do you like these bikes vs the MT10 once they're both dialed in on the engine side?
Have you done/are you planning to do a BMW F900R? They can really benefit from a remap from what I've heard and felt first hand on mine. RS2E in Germany have done a pretty good job and I think the NA customer base would maybe also be interested. I'm mostly hyped to see you work on that thang
Do yall do tunes for Harley running thunder max
Jeeze i'm glad I never picked one of these up for a 1000 that power output is horrible, hoping the new CB1000 Hornet ( if it ever comes out) is better.
I'm already sending you guys my MT09 ecu but if I could get my 2021 CB1000R flashed at the same time?? Do you guys have a tune for stock exhaust with just a slip-on? I'll send both bikes...
We will by next week!
@@2wheeldynoworks I’ll keep an eye out for it on the site and as soon as I see it I’ll send both, thanks guys 🙏🏻
The application engineer probably eyeballed the US Mapping xD. Will you do a R1200 LC engine? I have a R1200RS and thinking about doing it myself, but i dont have a dyno. Logging is not as easy as with a car.
This was preventing me from buying this bike and pushing me to z900rs. Now I may buy one. Why does Honda do this so extreme to cb1000r???
Do you have any vids of the H2?
When are you guys going to start working w/ Triumph? Maybe starting with the Speed 1200 RR?
Does this flash work for the 2018-2019 which is the same bike?
Is it true that valves in all exhausts are best removed?
I have a 2007 CBR10000RR, called Fireblade in UK.
I had it mapped, and the guy said PAIRS and cat out but leave the valve. He said it has a big effect on promoting low engine speed torque, which was my main aim, low speed tractability.
Would you not agree?
the exhaust valves opening and closing can be controlled with the new map, and yes, it might make a difference in your numbers based on how they're manipulated.
I'm surprised, does your 07 blade have exhaust valves in them? Those are for newer gen bikes these days.
@aniv5833 all Fireblades from 2002 had an exhaust valve. Not a new thing at all.
@@01menyou Well, I did not know that! Is that a UK/Europe thing? cuz here in the US, I don't think they did. They weren't as advanced as they are now.
@aniv5833 I don't know if US models had the valves, never seen a US bike.
I'd guess they did for simplicity sake.
The valve is supposed to support the bottom end torque.
How does 2wdw feel about Moore Mafia? Who is better? Looking to tune my 636 and can’t decide which to go through
2WDW no contest, guaranteed
HI, are you able to do Aprilia rsv4 ecu tuning? Love the videos, great content. Cheers
Also Aprilia rs457
Check their website. All available models are listed
Wow!
I can't believe how bad this motorcycle is , semi adjustable suspension only, 1000 with this low hp .... It's garbage
Don't forget that steel backbone frame, too, (even first gen fz1s at least got steel festherbeds.... ). Honda could build world-beaters if they wanted to, but the last cool bike they made was the RC51. They're resting on their laurels, banking on their name.
@@MrKamechan
Honda has always been a very stubborn company when it comes to motorcycles.
They have never really got their heads around the concept of the factory "street fighter" that was kick-started with the original aprilia Tuono.
They're still stuck in the days when a naked bike was a "retuned" - Japanese speak for chopping the top end rush and no gains anywhere else in the rev range - sportsbike motor in a budget chassis.
Everyone else is taking a nod from the KTM Superduke, whilst Honda is sticking with the Suzuki Bandit formula.
You must be out your noggin this bike is awesome I got the moore mafia tune once you get that 20 restricted hp back it’s a monster thats if you know how to use it 👍🏽
@@pauln6803 The 2001 Yamaha FZ1 was the first naked or upright sportbike to offer performance close to a sportbike. It was neutered somewhat, but not near as much as those that preceded it and was much closer to what people wanted.
The road to the hyper nakeds that came afterwards (which is when I lost interest) was paved by that bike.
@@Mark_conor I agree. The detractors are just looking at numbers.
Lol this thing was not much stronger than my 650 twin in the midrange. What was Honda thinking
Lmao you wish 😂😂😂
Like how can this even be like that
NEVER underestimate a big company's ability to be criminal scumbags
@@celzolsen8988🤔
Honda absolutely hates their customers
One has to thank europe for this low power, they are very strict with noise and emissions, also, Honda are still using the same engine apart some minor mods from way back.
I believe California has even more restrictions, and so all US models are mapped to an even stricter emissions standard.
Stupid comment. Look at Ca, then come back.
The European maps are way better than the North Americans... still bad, but way better
If these things need so much change why bother buying one in the first place ?
It's a tune... That's one thing.
whats "so much change".... every factory ecu can be bettered one way or another.... these are blazing fast, far more than most riders can handle out of the box, but tuning them makes them utter amazing fun
Because they’re gorgeous, have Honda reliability with the bulletproof CBR1000 motor, and are easy to make into a proper naked weapon of a bike. Flash, full exhaust system, Ohlins shock and you’re dialed.
Long story short: Dontt get a CBR100R, just go get an MT-10 instead.
If you like butt ugly... yeah for sure
You wish people would take this advice wouldn’t you 👎🏽
They look like shit.