No need to feed water clean or ride till they are 30 months old.Then do it all and sell at 36 months for 5k. They wont reproduce but its an option. I feed mine but dont ride or clean them till 16 months. That way they will reproduce and it feels more realistic. Like who rides a new born colt ?Good video
Thanks for all of these videos! I just got fs22 and wanted to try and do some cow or sheep farming, but had no idea what to do so my first farm was a mess of animal pens with nowhere to go. I've been going through all the animal videos a couple times trying to figure out what to do and they've been super helpful. I've just restarted and am now much more confident in what I'm doing. These sheep won't know what hit them.
You mention thst you should be able to feed pigs everything, but in my opinion thats just one thing that should have been change regarding the animals... - Chickens need water, they actually drink a lot of water. -horse manure is actually one of the best manure put there because its so concentrated, this goes for chicken manure also. This is Just 2 examples :)
Thank You for the info. I think especially with the initial cost of $110,000 plus $4000 in horses not counting what you could have sold 22,000 liters of Oats for. even after all that time you showed. You would have saved and made more money Not doing anything horse related. Forget any time investment.
Sheepies (or sheep if you want to be right and boring) are my favorite. They give a secondary resource (always a huge deal to me) and especially with two production chain steps to keep increasing that value is huge. Not only that, but you can have smaller/less amounts of fields dedicated towards feeding them as grass can be harvested multiple times in a year, and don't require seeding, fertilizing (if you use a grass roller), weeding, cultivating or anything like that. So sheep are easy, and efficient to care for, whereas the other animals are a bit more so, even with chickens you have to have large fields or many fields as their crop can only be harvested once a year.
On Calmsden, year 2, now I have all animals, and looking to get horses. With a single pen of 8, it seems that buying 8 and selling at 36 months, and then buying 8 newbornes (first horses, just eat transport fees, buy trailer when selling the first 8) seems to be the best method. Reproduction basically happens right before you sell them, so the only way to capitalize reproduction is with more and larger pens, which take several years to obtain the ROI. This method, you will make $40k every 3 years from the horses, less ~$20k in feed and $4k in buying the horses. So think of the animals as a production factory. It takes 3 years, but you are getting a 75% increase in the value of your crops, by using the crops to feed the horses rather than selling them. The mark up seems quite fair, however horse pen costs are stupidly high and low quantity, so this modest profit on Calmsden with 8 horses is all I'll ever do - pigs and cows however, will be big money due to the free pens and high quantity they hold. Due to the VERY high Stock prices of animal pens in FS22, it seems to make animals have about the same long term profitability and ROI as just selling crops - which is fair and balanced....just like Fox News...NOT, lol. But when you have large 'free pens' on custom maps, then animals can be a super crop.
So I was curious and did some more testing and tried some stuff - that is what I found: HORSES ARE WORTHLESS AND DO NOT MAKE PROFIT UNLESS YOU CHEAT THE SYSTEM! See an in depth explaination below: Disclaimer: I did 1 day months for testing You do not have to feed the horses, they do not starve and age without food. You can buy them and let them be until they get old which makes them more valuable without any investment other than maintenance for the barn. To maximize the effect you need to start to ride them when they are 32 months old - so you can ride them 4 times (each ride gives 25% fitness) before they get 36 months were they prize caps out. That alone will not rise their health and value, for that they need to be fed. I have not really tested this but what happened made me think of a theory: oats have 60% efficency and hay has 40%. I fed them oats only and when the fitness was high enough the horse gained about 60% health per month. I think if you feed them both you can get up to 100% health in one month, that is not confirmed tho. One old horse eats 100l of oats per month (you should not feed young ones to safe money) and you have to feed them 2 months to get 100% health so 200l oats per horse. From my testing the cleaning makes no difference whatsoever!!! I think this is kind of cheating but in order to maximize profit - or should I say to make profit in the first place ... you should: 1. Buy the big horse barn 2. Buy 14 horses 3. Wait until the horses are 32 months old but do not feed, ride or clean them 4. Ride the horses monthly but do not feed them until they are 34 moths old 5. Put 2800l oats or a little bit more in the barn, continue riding them 6. When the horses get 36 months old they should be at 100% fitness and 100% health and can be sold for 5000 $ Now to the maths for the profit: Each horse costs 500$ and 300$ for delivery, when you sell there is another 300$ fee. Meaning the cost for buying and transporting each horse is 1100$. (if you buy the cheapest horse trailer which is 16000$ you need to buy and sell 16000/(300*2)=26.666 ~27 horses to break even which will take 6 ingame years) When you do it this way each horse needs 200l oats, oats can be sold on normal settings and the highprice for about 1400$/1000l. You need about 3000l for all 14 horses so oats worth 4200$. The maintenance for the barn is about 125$per month but i am not totally sure because I had other buildings as well in the test. That means the total profit = (5000$-1100$)*14-4200$-36*125 = 50100$ Profit per year = 16700$ The investment is a big barn for 125000$ and 14 horses for 7000$ which totals 132000$. IF YOU CHEESE THE SYSTEM AND MIN MAX EVERYTHING YOU NEED 7,9 INGAME YEARS TO RETURN THE INVESTED MONEY!!!!! IF YOU FEED THE HORSES DURING THE WHOLE TIME YOU LOOSE MONEY!!!!! I did not test this out completely because young horses consume less oats than older ones. If you estimate the food usage over the whole 36 months as 90l oats per month you need 3240l oats per horse which is 4536$ food per horse!!!! So you buy and transport the horse for 1100$, feed it about 4500$ worth of oats and it can only be sold for 5000$ which is a loss of 600$ per horse without calculated maintenance... -.- Feeding them hay as well does not reduce the oat consumption it only adds more cost to an already bad deal ^^ Breeding horses is also worthless: You safe 500$ for the horse and 300$ for the delivery but you need to feed the mother horse for 11 months which means 1100l oats totaling 1540$, which again makes you lose 740$ per young horse. TO SUM IT UP AGAIN: DO NOT GET HORSES THEY ARE A PAIN IN THE BUM TO CARE FOR AND ARE ONLY PROFITBALE WHEN YOU TRICK THE SYSTEM!!! I can proudly state that I tried this out before I got them on my actual farm xD.
Would be great if there were some horse drawn ploughs, carts etc so you could do something productive during the exercise phase. Do you know of any mods for that?
Hey, am I right in saying you play PC as Happy Horse not available on console. Saying that, 2 mins riding isn’t that bad. New subscriber, love the analysis
Unless you aren’t using AI Helpers, horse riding is completely irrelevant until the offseason. But what else is there to do in winter? You can always ride horses when helpers work fields. Considering how little supplies they need, why not have horses.
Thanks for the video. It seems base game its a whole bunch of effort for little reward. Like in real life horses are for rich people with too much time on their hands
That's gotta be a bug in regards to hay. If you have oat, they eat both, and you are simply throwing money away with the hay. Perhaps they wanted to allow hay give lower productivity, as hay is so much cheaper than oats.
I'm really confused, when horses get their first foal at 33 months and the reproduction rate is 12 months, how did you get 3 foals after 48 months. Is it just me being stupid or am I not seeing something here :) But otherwise, great job thank you so much for the effort of testing everything. It's so helpfull for me personally!
Hey thanks for pointing this out. with all the numbers i made a typo 😅 It should be 2 and 10k. this would change the figure to 80k not 120k in the example i gave. Sorry about that and much appreciated
Your calculations are misleading. You calculate how much time and resources you need to raise 8 horses, but the potential profit doesn't work like that. The actual profit would be sell price - buy price * 8, and if you want to add the foles, just calculate 500$ per, not 5000. Those also need time and resources to reach the 5k value. Keep it simple, the profit of a horse is 4500 (buy at 500, sell at 5000) + 3 foles at 500 minus the cost of food + straw if you were to sell it instead of giving it to the horses. Your spreadsheet shows about 4000l of oats and 3000l of straw. If you play on easy you can sell that for about 7000$ so the way I see it it's a time and money sink.
This is the worst post of ever seen 😂 u can't compare prices with easy mode. U don't need to feed animals every month to sell them u just need to get them to 100% health which takes only 1 month scroft doesn't refer this yeah this video is complete misinformation but u are clueless aswell
And to celebrate that you found the worst comment ever you decided to try and reply with an even worse comment? Here's a tip, if you want to call someone clueless, make sure you write proper sentences or you'll be the one looking clueless. This video is called "How much money can horses make". Then there's a calculation that lists what 8 horses consume and a potential income. My comment was that this is misleading as the inputs listed don't include whats needed to raise all foals to the point of being able to sell them for 120k. Then I added a more interesting calculation would be to add what you can make by selling those inputs instead, I chose easy, of course this number will be different from normal or hard difficulty. But my point was that I don't believe horses are worth getting. Maybe you could just have replied "Did you know that you can ignore your horses for 3 years and just feed them the last month to be able to sell them for 5000?" OK, lets calculate... You buy the big stable for 125k and get 14 horses. After 6 years you can cycle them 2 times and made 14*4500*2 = 126k back. Wow 6 years and you just made break even.
@@devlaminckw honestly I didn't mean to offend u I was trolling I'm sorry my point is that easy mode is just bad comparison think that commodities are cheaper on the shop than sell prices u can literally buy and sell silage from the shop on ez mode but yeah horses are a money loss if u try to breed them even in hard mode cause they eat too much oat, they take so long to breed and stables hold so few animals.
Horses give manure in FS22 Its not many but you need to place a manure heap yourself, just like with cows and pigs How do you get 24 foals in this 36 months time if first foal is at month 33? 8 horses, first foals at 33 months is to my knowledge only 8 foals, not 24?
"my voice might sound a little bit different"
Should have gone with "my voice might sound a little bit horse"
No need to feed water clean or ride till they are 30 months old.Then do it all and sell at 36 months for 5k. They wont reproduce but its an option. I feed mine but dont ride or clean them till 16 months. That way they will reproduce and it feels more realistic. Like who rides a new born colt ?Good video
Very true. Thanks for watching
Thanks for all of these videos! I just got fs22 and wanted to try and do some cow or sheep farming, but had no idea what to do so my first farm was a mess of animal pens with nowhere to go. I've been going through all the animal videos a couple times trying to figure out what to do and they've been super helpful. I've just restarted and am now much more confident in what I'm doing. These sheep won't know what hit them.
Glad I could help!
Riding every day isn’t need for full price just ride from 30 months to get 100% before the 36 month top price and get full 5k for a lot less work!
Yeah, its a good idea and will save a lot of time.
You mention thst you should be able to feed pigs everything, but in my opinion thats just one thing that should have been change regarding the animals...
- Chickens need water, they actually drink a lot of water.
-horse manure is actually one of the best manure put there because its so concentrated, this goes for chicken manure also.
This is Just 2 examples :)
I agree. Hopefully we will get the proper seasons with some much needed changes to the animals.
Another organised,and factual video thanks
Thanks 👍
Looks like horses are pretty much meant as a "side-job" to give you a little "mini-game" while doing the jobs that give you the bulk of your money.
New subscriber here and must say I love your evaluations and charts. Simple yet amazing and so helpful. Thank you.
For the algorithm. Likes, comments, shares, and subscriptions help your content creators more than you realize. Keep it up Scroft!
Thank You for the info. I think especially with the initial cost of $110,000 plus $4000 in horses not counting what you could have sold 22,000 liters of Oats for. even after all that time you showed. You would have saved and made more money Not doing anything horse related. Forget any time investment.
It mimics real life in that aspect, horses are just a money pit
good analysis work, thanks. Keep up the good work
Thanks, will do!
thanx for the hard work m8, the excel sheet of yours is a complete gamechanger. Just plain amazing work
Thanks Knut 👍
Thanks Scroft for a great video on Horses 🐎 I might try them in NML and just have like 3, hope you feel better soon
Love the details! Keep up the good work!
Sheepies (or sheep if you want to be right and boring) are my favorite. They give a secondary resource (always a huge deal to me) and especially with two production chain steps to keep increasing that value is huge. Not only that, but you can have smaller/less amounts of fields dedicated towards feeding them as grass can be harvested multiple times in a year, and don't require seeding, fertilizing (if you use a grass roller), weeding, cultivating or anything like that. So sheep are easy, and efficient to care for, whereas the other animals are a bit more so, even with chickens you have to have large fields or many fields as their crop can only be harvested once a year.
Great work mate, another very helpful video 👍
On Calmsden, year 2, now I have all animals, and looking to get horses. With a single pen of 8, it seems that buying 8 and selling at 36 months, and then buying 8 newbornes (first horses, just eat transport fees, buy trailer when selling the first 8) seems to be the best method. Reproduction basically happens right before you sell them, so the only way to capitalize reproduction is with more and larger pens, which take several years to obtain the ROI. This method, you will make $40k every 3 years from the horses, less ~$20k in feed and $4k in buying the horses. So think of the animals as a production factory. It takes 3 years, but you are getting a 75% increase in the value of your crops, by using the crops to feed the horses rather than selling them. The mark up seems quite fair, however horse pen costs are stupidly high and low quantity, so this modest profit on Calmsden with 8 horses is all I'll ever do - pigs and cows however, will be big money due to the free pens and high quantity they hold. Due to the VERY high Stock prices of animal pens in FS22, it seems to make animals have about the same long term profitability and ROI as just selling crops - which is fair and balanced....just like Fox News...NOT, lol. But when you have large 'free pens' on custom maps, then animals can be a super crop.
Superb video Scroft. Thanks for the info!
So I was curious and did some more testing and tried some stuff - that is what I found: HORSES ARE WORTHLESS AND DO NOT MAKE PROFIT UNLESS YOU CHEAT THE SYSTEM!
See an in depth explaination below:
Disclaimer: I did 1 day months for testing
You do not have to feed the horses, they do not starve and age without food. You can buy them and let them be until they get old which makes them more valuable without any investment other than maintenance for the barn.
To maximize the effect you need to start to ride them when they are 32 months old - so you can ride them 4 times (each ride gives 25% fitness) before they get 36 months were they prize caps out.
That alone will not rise their health and value, for that they need to be fed.
I have not really tested this but what happened made me think of a theory: oats have 60% efficency and hay has 40%. I fed them oats only and when the fitness was high enough the horse gained about 60% health per month. I think if you feed them both you can get up to 100% health in one month, that is not confirmed tho.
One old horse eats 100l of oats per month (you should not feed young ones to safe money) and you have to feed them 2 months to get 100% health so 200l oats per horse.
From my testing the cleaning makes no difference whatsoever!!!
I think this is kind of cheating but in order to maximize profit - or should I say to make profit in the first place ... you should:
1. Buy the big horse barn
2. Buy 14 horses
3. Wait until the horses are 32 months old but do not feed, ride or clean them
4. Ride the horses monthly but do not feed them until they are 34 moths old
5. Put 2800l oats or a little bit more in the barn, continue riding them
6. When the horses get 36 months old they should be at 100% fitness and 100% health and can be sold for 5000 $
Now to the maths for the profit:
Each horse costs 500$ and 300$ for delivery, when you sell there is another 300$ fee. Meaning the cost for buying and transporting each horse is 1100$.
(if you buy the cheapest horse trailer which is 16000$ you need to buy and sell 16000/(300*2)=26.666 ~27 horses to break even which will take 6 ingame years)
When you do it this way each horse needs 200l oats, oats can be sold on normal settings and the highprice for about 1400$/1000l. You need about 3000l for all 14 horses so oats worth 4200$.
The maintenance for the barn is about 125$per month but i am not totally sure because I had other buildings as well in the test.
That means the total profit = (5000$-1100$)*14-4200$-36*125 = 50100$
Profit per year = 16700$
The investment is a big barn for 125000$ and 14 horses for 7000$ which totals 132000$.
IF YOU CHEESE THE SYSTEM AND MIN MAX EVERYTHING YOU NEED 7,9 INGAME YEARS TO RETURN THE INVESTED MONEY!!!!!
IF YOU FEED THE HORSES DURING THE WHOLE TIME YOU LOOSE MONEY!!!!!
I did not test this out completely because young horses consume less oats than older ones.
If you estimate the food usage over the whole 36 months as 90l oats per month you need 3240l oats per horse which is 4536$ food per horse!!!!
So you buy and transport the horse for 1100$, feed it about 4500$ worth of oats and it can only be sold for 5000$ which is a loss of 600$ per horse without calculated maintenance... -.-
Feeding them hay as well does not reduce the oat consumption it only adds more cost to an already bad deal ^^
Breeding horses is also worthless:
You safe 500$ for the horse and 300$ for the delivery but you need to feed the mother horse for 11 months which means 1100l oats totaling 1540$, which again makes you lose 740$ per young horse.
TO SUM IT UP AGAIN: DO NOT GET HORSES THEY ARE A PAIN IN THE BUM TO CARE FOR AND ARE ONLY PROFITBALE WHEN YOU TRICK THE SYSTEM!!!
I can proudly state that I tried this out before I got them on my actual farm xD.
I forgot all about the half of breeding horses
Feel better soon
Thanks so much
Thanks for the entertainment!
Would be great if there were some horse drawn ploughs, carts etc so you could do something productive during the exercise phase.
Do you know of any mods for that?
Great video! :)
Love your channel, can you make please a video about Bees in the game please ?
I beleive there is a mod out there that gives manure from horses, worth a Google.
Hey, am I right in saying you play PC as Happy Horse not available on console. Saying that, 2 mins riding isn’t that bad. New subscriber, love the analysis
Yeah, I'm on PC. Thanks for watching
Unless you aren’t using AI Helpers, horse riding is completely irrelevant until the offseason. But what else is there to do in winter? You can always ride horses when helpers work fields. Considering how little supplies they need, why not have horses.
Thanks for the video. It seems base game its a whole bunch of effort for little reward. Like in real life horses are for rich people with too much time on their hands
That's gotta be a bug in regards to hay. If you have oat, they eat both, and you are simply throwing money away with the hay. Perhaps they wanted to allow hay give lower productivity, as hay is so much cheaper than oats.
horse riding in FS, I just can't do it after riding a horse in Red Dead Redemption 2. I just want horses for meat production in FS.
Yea they feel so awkward after playing red dead. But at least you dont have to murder your controller to maintain a full sprint. Lol
@@nfsfanAndrew lol true. Although, I use cinematic if possible.
i bought the small horse farm, the only thing i can add is oats, will they still reproduce?
So is the breeding bugged? I just saw another video where the person put the horses though the same test you did but none of their horses bred.
They will breed if you just feed hay and look after them
I'm really confused, when horses get their first foal at 33 months and the reproduction rate is 12 months, how did you get 3 foals after 48 months. Is it just me being stupid or am I not seeing something here :) But otherwise, great job thank you so much for the effort of testing everything. It's so helpfull for me personally!
Hey thanks for pointing this out. with all the numbers i made a typo 😅 It should be 2 and 10k. this would change the figure to 80k not 120k in the example i gave. Sorry about that and much appreciated
Stronger electric tractors should be added
Your calculations are misleading.
You calculate how much time and resources you need to raise 8 horses, but the potential profit doesn't work like that.
The actual profit would be sell price - buy price * 8, and if you want to add the foles, just calculate 500$ per, not 5000.
Those also need time and resources to reach the 5k value.
Keep it simple, the profit of a horse is 4500 (buy at 500, sell at 5000) + 3 foles at 500 minus the cost of food + straw if you were to sell it instead of giving it to the horses.
Your spreadsheet shows about 4000l of oats and 3000l of straw. If you play on easy you can sell that for about 7000$ so the way I see it it's a time and money sink.
It's showing income from selling horses at a certain time. Not profit 👍
I also stated that horses aren't the best option when trying to make money from the animals. So I agree 👍
This is the worst post of ever seen 😂 u can't compare prices with easy mode. U don't need to feed animals every month to sell them u just need to get them to 100% health which takes only 1 month scroft doesn't refer this yeah this video is complete misinformation but u are clueless aswell
And to celebrate that you found the worst comment ever you decided to try and reply with an even worse comment?
Here's a tip, if you want to call someone clueless, make sure you write proper sentences or you'll be the one looking clueless.
This video is called "How much money can horses make". Then there's a calculation that lists what 8 horses consume and a potential income.
My comment was that this is misleading as the inputs listed don't include whats needed to raise all foals to the point of being able to sell them for 120k.
Then I added a more interesting calculation would be to add what you can make by selling those inputs instead, I chose easy, of course this number will be different from normal or hard difficulty. But my point was that I don't believe horses are worth getting.
Maybe you could just have replied "Did you know that you can ignore your horses for 3 years and just feed them the last month to be able to sell them for 5000?"
OK, lets calculate... You buy the big stable for 125k and get 14 horses.
After 6 years you can cycle them 2 times and made 14*4500*2 = 126k back. Wow 6 years and you just made break even.
@@devlaminckw honestly I didn't mean to offend u I was trolling I'm sorry my point is that easy mode is just bad comparison think that commodities are cheaper on the shop than sell prices u can literally buy and sell silage from the shop on ez mode but yeah horses are a money loss if u try to breed them even in hard mode cause they eat too much oat, they take so long to breed and stables hold so few animals.
Horses give manure in FS22
Its not many but you need to place a manure heap yourself, just like with cows and pigs
How do you get 24 foals in this 36 months time if first foal is at month 33?
8 horses, first foals at 33 months is to my knowledge only 8 foals, not 24?