Many other players had similar or even better execution than Daigo, like Sako for-example . but Daigo displays his skill in the tensest of moments. what a showman.
People pulls these things in a lab, Daigo does this in EVO & CPT If JM and the other guys wanted to recreate this, try against an actual opponent that fights back, preferably momochi himself
@@tedjomuljono3052 JM actually has momochi on speed dial and he 10-0d him seconds after this was recorded he then said tedjo muljono is a scrub and went on to body Xian infiltration and John choi (in SF2) just for good measure.
@@tonyelectionfraud669 I mostly play Tekken so yeah learning what a plink is isn't exactly a priority. But I've had ppl explain it to me before and didn't quite get it. Like I got part of what they were saying but couldn't put it all the way together.
@@TV-Girl-Enjoyer It's the same mechanic as input buffering, I think it's called, in Tekkken. Ie. you can hold one button down, and press another and the game will register it as the first, then both. The difference is that Tekken' timing is infinite, and games that allow plinking is very short. It's to allow ex-moves and other multiple-button moves to reliably come out without being able to input buffer - plinking is a side-effect of that.
@@nivyan yeah button buffering is similar to plinking in the sense of how it's performed but I don't know a whole lot about 2D games. I'm a casual enjoyer. So JMC's explanation was really helpful in explaining what it is (which I knew coming in) and what it does (something that I didn't understand before)
While everyone is of course impressed by Daigo's execution, I think one should also appreciate the sheer amount of hard-ass practice one must have just to remember a combo this long and intricate to be able to recall and whip it out at a hitconfirm's notice
Remembering it isn't that hard tbh. At the point you've practiced it so much that you can do it without dropping it, your hands do all the remembering. You don't have to worry about forgetting the combo at that point
Here it's out of a stun so not really a hit confirm notice ;) I think players of Daigo's caliber (aka toppest of world class) definitely pratice stun setups (mid stage vs corner for example), because when you gotta optimize you gotta optimize.
That match was crazy. Momochi and Daigo were on fire that day lol The perfect Momochi landed and the Ultra 2 reaction at Daigo's fireball really impressed me at the time as well lol They were beasts at SF4, Jesus Christ
There are also two other things you have to appreciate about this combo. One, not only was Daigo able to do this absurdly difficult combo, and do it in a very tense tournament moment, but he had the wisdom in decision-making to go for it. In terms of the return you get for the resources spent, the second FADC is a bad idea in general. The reason it made sense to do was that they were in the third round of the fight, so as long as the combo lead to a guaranteed closing-out of the round, it was worth doing. In order to know that it was worth doing, Daigo had to be able to look at Momochi's remaining health and calculate, or at least accurately estimate, in his mind, that even with the combo scaling from before the dizzy, that it would do enough damage to either KO Ken outright, or leave him in guaranteed chip-out range, and he did so correctly. On top of that, the combo is exceedingly situational in terms of when you'll even have the option to do it. Very rarely do you get a dizzy or some other way of starting a combo with a jumping normal of your choice with 4 stocks of meter in the game, and usually it's preferable to FADC into Ultra anyway. So putting this all together, Daigo had to be intuitively familiar enough with the damage of a highly situational combo to recognize that even with scaling, it would do the damage he would need it to do to guarantee the third round. Then, he had to have good enough execution with the character to hit this highly-situational and extremely-executionally-demanding combo without any fear of failure, in a tense tournament moment, against one of the best SF4 and general fighting game players of all time. There's a reason he's one of the 5 Gods of 2D, and all the other top Japanese players always give him his flowers when they're asked about great Street Fighter players.
Already recommended this one in another FGC history video. I really hope he does. Still one of the hypest things I´ve seen. That alone cemented Snake Eyez as one of my fav FGC people.
Inspirational. SFIV combos require such high level execution- crazy to think about doing multiple 1-frame links like that in tournament even with plinking
This is actually a great lesson in how to.learn certain combos by breaking them up into segments. It might be a great idea to do some more videos where you learn combos like these; but edited and presented in a way that also teaches viewers how to lab combos and techniques.
That's how musicians learn songs on different instruments: They break said songs down into segments, then practice the parts they're bad at independently.
@@HeirofDacia I know. But this may not be obvious to everyone. I imagine a lot of people are trying to grind through comboes without breaking them down
As for "are people interested in such videos": normally I wouldn't be, because I am not very familiar with SF gameplay. The analysis at the beginning allowed me to understand and enjoy the video.
Heads up, if you do a light fireball for the first cancel it moves more slowly which gives you more time to link the cr.MP. Daigo used a light fireball I think
‘Daigo Umehare-ga, Umehare-ga!’ ‘Shoryuken! Shoryuken! Wut you sayin?’ Fucking love the commentary on that clip. Great job JM. Now I want to try and do this.
Hey, how ya doin'? Your comment reminded me of the 'What Happun?' SF: The Movie The Game video. Hehe....Your quoting the announcers reminded me of this part talking about how bad the voice-over audio is. How the actors were incapable of saying the names of the moves correctly. At one point he says, "They couldn't learn these sounds that most gamers could say in their sleep!" LoL Not that hard... Ha-Doo-Ken!....etc... It was so funny! Matt McMuscles, he says to the effect of, "They had an arcade machine on set, they would perform the move over and over so they could hear it. They had even written notes, spelling it out, phonetically...." There's like one more line, but the next scene is Ken doing a Dragon Punch, and all you hear is "Dragon! Dragon!" and even that it sounds like the very end of the word is cut off a bit... Ha! Ahhh, too good, too good.... :-D
I watched this moment live and it blew my mind! Please keep making videos like these, its amazing to see how much skills this kind of stuff takes to pull off.
learning combos like this reminds me of learning guitar riffs; especially dividing 14 hit combos, or 14 note riffs (for example) into a few sections, and then linking them together.
This is Daigo man!!! Daigo is the king of doing the extremelyyyyyyy difficult on the biggest stages. Daigo is like the MJ23 of Streetfighter. He is the GOAT. He can get washed and Washed and then pull out a set nobody and I mean nobody can do...
Just a week or two ago I was wondering when we might get another of these Fighting Game history videos from you, love these so much, please make more!!
Back in the day when I was in Japan about 10 years ago, everyone who’s playing street fighter was using this technique. All the people in the arcade have taught me what it does but I still could not grasp what it does fully but I did it anyway since I was playing street fighter. Regardless it was still extremely difficult to connect combos and to make that to a consistent and stable level? It’s just out of this world. That’s why these top level fighters still amazes me even to this day.
Congrats! Very impressive. Just mastering it is impressive! I can't imagine having this in my back pocket just whenever...or even developing it in the first place.
I'm inspired by your passion and execution, your videos are gold nuggets in our everyday lives. Thank you for creating content and sharing what you love.
JM I paused the video when you asked if I wanted to see older content like SF4, and I'm not gonna lie, bro that hurt. But Yes! We want to see more SF4 content! Sf4 is like the attitude age of WWE
The hard one is the Rufus specific one he did. The one he did to Ken was just the first time we saw him do the loops. Don't let Brian F scare you lol. Shits not bad
I want to see the Panda Crew try this lol. They've been running through the training combos, time to give them an actual hard ass challenge. JWong and Punk can't possibly call this one free lol
Nice work my guy. I haven't played any street fighter in 7 years haha but I'll definitely be giving this a shot once I'm settled into my apartment with this game at the ready.
When I tried to learn plinking, it was really easy for me to get the timing of it down, especially when you learn the tricks. When I tried to actually USE plinking in combos, I realized the extra frame didn’t help my awful timing. 1/60 vs 2/60 doesn’t matter if I’m still like 5 frames off every time 😂
Love this type of thing definitely hope for more! Love to see the moment, love to see you explain it, love to see you try it, love to try it myself lol. It's great.
I remember Sako saying that he always goes for the most optimal combos because if you don't practice them in matches how are you ever going to do them in tournament.
jmcroft: if you like these kind of.. me: oh fuck yeah, this shit is my favourite kind of fg video. great moments in fg history is awesome imo keep up the good work, mate!
A few months ago we had an exhibition with Chris G. He had clearly been drinking too. After it was over, he laid on the floor and went in training mode and did a combo with 27 1frame links....while laying down
I feel like people who can do stuff like that under pressure have the special ability to keep their state of mind and forget about what's around them. Sort of a zen state. I'm quite the opposite to that. I don't play games competitively but I can compare it to how nervous I get in rhythm games when I'm close to the end of a song with a perfect combo. Since I know I can't miss an input my fingers start to shake D=. I bet I would get destroyed under pressure in a competitive tournament.
"Newer fighting game players might not know of" I always considered myself a "newer fighting game fan" due to how late I was introduced to them, but I watched this moment live... am I that old?
Dude your great!! 😁😁😁 love your videos indeed . Keep at it . I'm pretty sure you've played bloody roar . It would be a cool add to your collection of fighting games
Lol I’ve seen this wen he did this in tourney I was goin nuts wen I saw this especially wen he got perfected before Daigo seems to always go god mode wen he gets perfected
Many other players had similar or even better execution than Daigo, like Sako for-example . but Daigo displays his skill in the tensest of moments. what a showman.
I wonder if JM can do Sakos Bulleta infinite in Vsav2
People pulls these things in a lab, Daigo does this in EVO & CPT
If JM and the other guys wanted to recreate this, try against an actual opponent that fights back, preferably momochi himself
@@tedjomuljono3052 and then there's the guys that just call out people in the comments sections
@@tedjomuljono3052 JM actually has momochi on speed dial and he 10-0d him seconds after this was recorded he then said tedjo muljono is a scrub and went on to body Xian infiltration and John choi (in SF2) just for good measure.
@@GinkgoPete dude i was there hypest moment even better than evo37
I think you gave the best explanation of plinking I've heard honestly. Really appreciated that
You must not have been lookin hard then brother! Jmcroft with the knowledge tho
@@tonyelectionfraud669 I mostly play Tekken so yeah learning what a plink is isn't exactly a priority. But I've had ppl explain it to me before and didn't quite get it. Like I got part of what they were saying but couldn't put it all the way together.
@@TV-Girl-Enjoyer It's the same mechanic as input buffering, I think it's called, in Tekkken. Ie. you can hold one button down, and press another and the game will register it as the first, then both. The difference is that Tekken' timing is infinite, and games that allow plinking is very short. It's to allow ex-moves and other multiple-button moves to reliably come out without being able to input buffer - plinking is a side-effect of that.
@@nivyan yeah button buffering is similar to plinking in the sense of how it's performed but I don't know a whole lot about 2D games. I'm a casual enjoyer. So JMC's explanation was really helpful in explaining what it is (which I knew coming in) and what it does (something that I didn't understand before)
Ye
gotta do it optimally for that 3 points of damage
It's about sending a message
That's an interesting name you got there...
While everyone is of course impressed by Daigo's execution, I think one should also appreciate the sheer amount of hard-ass practice one must have just to remember a combo this long and intricate to be able to recall and whip it out at a hitconfirm's notice
Remembering it isn't that hard tbh. At the point you've practiced it so much that you can do it without dropping it, your hands do all the remembering. You don't have to worry about forgetting the combo at that point
@@Bodied Yeah that's what he said lol
Here it's out of a stun so not really a hit confirm notice ;) I think players of Daigo's caliber (aka toppest of world class) definitely pratice stun setups (mid stage vs corner for example), because when you gotta optimize you gotta optimize.
It's mostly a loop, there aint much to remember.
These comments lmao. Anyway i agree with you.
You gotta respect JM for watching it back and fixing the light punch error. It takes a big man to go back in.
Yeah! I would've been like "Close enough, I'm done."
Now you got the rest of your life to do the Sako combo. 😆
Man this took me back. That moment is ICONIC
That match was crazy. Momochi and Daigo were on fire that day lol
The perfect Momochi landed and the Ultra 2 reaction at Daigo's fireball really impressed me at the time as well lol
They were beasts at SF4, Jesus Christ
There are also two other things you have to appreciate about this combo.
One, not only was Daigo able to do this absurdly difficult combo, and do it in a very tense tournament moment, but he had the wisdom in decision-making to go for it. In terms of the return you get for the resources spent, the second FADC is a bad idea in general. The reason it made sense to do was that they were in the third round of the fight, so as long as the combo lead to a guaranteed closing-out of the round, it was worth doing. In order to know that it was worth doing, Daigo had to be able to look at Momochi's remaining health and calculate, or at least accurately estimate, in his mind, that even with the combo scaling from before the dizzy, that it would do enough damage to either KO Ken outright, or leave him in guaranteed chip-out range, and he did so correctly.
On top of that, the combo is exceedingly situational in terms of when you'll even have the option to do it. Very rarely do you get a dizzy or some other way of starting a combo with a jumping normal of your choice with 4 stocks of meter in the game, and usually it's preferable to FADC into Ultra anyway.
So putting this all together, Daigo had to be intuitively familiar enough with the damage of a highly situational combo to recognize that even with scaling, it would do the damage he would need it to do to guarantee the third round. Then, he had to have good enough execution with the character to hit this highly-situational and extremely-executionally-demanding combo without any fear of failure, in a tense tournament moment, against one of the best SF4 and general fighting game players of all time.
There's a reason he's one of the 5 Gods of 2D, and all the other top Japanese players always give him his flowers when they're asked about great Street Fighter players.
You should do when Snake Eyez ran through the whole Team Norcal. It was one of the hype moments in fighting game history.
Peasants, Diago did NOT use this method! 😎
“Epic moments in FGC history”
Already recommended this one in another FGC history video. I really hope he does. Still one of the hypest things I´ve seen. That alone cemented Snake Eyez as one of my fav FGC people.
Snake Eyez Zangief combos were like something out of MvC
Love your work as a chronicler of fighting game history - Please do more!
Inspirational. SFIV combos require such high level execution- crazy to think about doing multiple 1-frame links like that in tournament even with plinking
While plinking makes it easier, 1/60th of a second x 2 is still only 2/60ths of a second.
Absolutely nuts.
We appreciate all the archived stuff you’re like a fighting game historian
This is actually a great lesson in how to.learn certain combos by breaking them up into segments.
It might be a great idea to do some more videos where you learn combos like these; but edited and presented in a way that also teaches viewers how to lab combos and techniques.
That's how musicians learn songs on different instruments: They break said songs down into segments, then practice the parts they're bad at independently.
@@HeirofDacia I know. But this may not be obvious to everyone. I imagine a lot of people are trying to grind through comboes without breaking them down
Here after watching brian_F doing this in 47 seconds. Respect for pledging and paying up the 15 subs.
best part of that moment for me is Fword and Logan's commentary 'shoryuken! shoryuken! wot u sayin?'
One of my other favorite Daigo moments. Was fortunate to catch the match when it aired live and the commentators just took it to the next level.
As for "are people interested in such videos": normally I wouldn't be, because I am not very familiar with SF gameplay. The analysis at the beginning allowed me to understand and enjoy the video.
Heads up, if you do a light fireball for the first cancel it moves more slowly which gives you more time to link the cr.MP. Daigo used a light fireball I think
I remember this match making me feel like this was the pinnacle of SF4.
Hope they made an Evo featuring all those legendary fighting games 🤧
That would be awesome
Lowtiergod vs Vincent was the the pinnacle of street fighter
Definitely I love learning about all these epic moments in FCG history as a person who has been a casual on and off since SF4
The sheer professionalism to see you did light jab instead of medium and DOING IT AGAIN. This is why I love your content, man: the dedication!
‘Daigo Umehare-ga, Umehare-ga!’
‘Shoryuken! Shoryuken! Wut you sayin?’
Fucking love the commentary on that clip. Great job JM. Now I want to try and do this.
The commentary shoots that match into the hall of fame
Hey, how ya doin'? Your comment reminded me of the 'What Happun?' SF: The Movie The Game video. Hehe....Your quoting the announcers reminded me of this part talking about how bad the voice-over audio is. How the actors were incapable of saying the names of the moves correctly. At one point he says, "They couldn't learn these sounds that most gamers could say in their sleep!" LoL Not that hard... Ha-Doo-Ken!....etc... It was so funny! Matt McMuscles, he says to the effect of, "They had an arcade machine on set, they would perform the move over and over so they could hear it. They had even written notes, spelling it out, phonetically...." There's like one more line, but the next scene is Ken doing a Dragon Punch, and all you hear is "Dragon! Dragon!" and even that it sounds like the very end of the word is cut off a bit... Ha! Ahhh, too good, too good.... :-D
F-Word & Logan Sama are an under-appreciated commentary duo.
Hahahaha great commentary
@@sl11tenderhandyeah they're great
I watched this moment live and it blew my mind! Please keep making videos like these, its amazing to see how much skills this kind of stuff takes to pull off.
learning combos like this reminds me of learning guitar riffs; especially dividing 14 hit combos, or 14 note riffs (for example) into a few sections, and then linking them together.
I remember doing this exactly once in training mode. It took me 5 hours....in training mode....and it never happened again
amazing upload timing i had just ran out of good things to watch
This is Daigo man!!! Daigo is the king of doing the extremelyyyyyyy difficult on the biggest stages. Daigo is like the MJ23 of Streetfighter. He is the GOAT. He can get washed and Washed and then pull out a set nobody and I mean nobody can do...
I was going to comment "Lol this is gonna be like 2 hours"
but holy shit it actually did take that long
My brain would have shut down 10 minutes in
Funny enough, this was my "first" moment that introduced Daigo, FGC and commentators like WSO Logan.
I don’t think you know how much of a joy it is to watch you and your videos
Brian F said you gota do the Sako combos now.
Momochi: *Gets a perfect*
Daigo: So you chose.. 1-frame links.
You have to practice for hours to execute that so accurately. I had a hard time doing these combos in PS4 controller.
I never could that in any controller
Just a week or two ago I was wondering when we might get another of these Fighting Game history videos from you, love these so much, please make more!!
Good stuff JM. Even on terrible days I can watch your content and still smile. Please keep it up!
Back in the day when I was in Japan about 10 years ago, everyone who’s playing street fighter was using this technique. All the people in the arcade have taught me what it does but I still could not grasp what it does fully but I did it anyway since I was playing street fighter. Regardless it was still extremely difficult to connect combos and to make that to a consistent and stable level? It’s just out of this world. That’s why these top level fighters still amazes me even to this day.
Congrats! Very impressive. Just mastering it is impressive! I can't imagine having this in my back pocket just whenever...or even developing it in the first place.
The funny part is that Daigo probably did that just to send a message: "You think that perfect meant something? No."
Anybody else here after Brian_F's video? Where you at JM?!!😂🤣
o god, you challenged the wrong people
washed by Pandas and BrianF. Good shit man
I'm inspired by your passion and execution, your videos are gold nuggets in our everyday lives. Thank you for creating content and sharing what you love.
12:47 - I know that feeling, it's the BEST feeling ever!
These kinds of vids are great. Too many fighting moments need a deeper dive
JM I paused the video when you asked if I wanted to see older content like SF4, and I'm not gonna lie, bro that hurt.
But Yes! We want to see more SF4 content!
Sf4 is like the attitude age of WWE
Man love these vids from you. You break these vids down so well! Thank you!!
That sako loop is gona be a bitch good luck with that challenge
it's crazy that momochi needs an introduction at all lmao
0:07
Don't let Justin Wong hear that.
Love the FGC history
You should do the Justin Wong Sakura combo
Bust this one out at your next JM Cup and you'll instantly win the whole bracket. 😎
It's not about the damage.
Its sending a message.
The hard one is the Rufus specific one he did. The one he did to Ken was just the first time we saw him do the loops. Don't let Brian F scare you lol. Shits not bad
Pretty sure Sako did the one to Rufus.
Would love to see more SF4 action, this is great, thanks!
This got me so hyped up I love labbing combos
Watched this live, so hype
I definitely like this style of video a lot for you though for sure! And watching you try to do the hard combos
I want to see the Panda Crew try this lol. They've been running through the training combos, time to give them an actual hard ass challenge. JWong and Punk can't possibly call this one free lol
Nice work my guy. I haven't played any street fighter in 7 years haha but I'll definitely be giving this a shot once I'm settled into my apartment with this game at the ready.
When I tried to learn plinking, it was really easy for me to get the timing of it down, especially when you learn the tricks.
When I tried to actually USE plinking in combos, I realized the extra frame didn’t help my awful timing. 1/60 vs 2/60 doesn’t matter if I’m still like 5 frames off every time 😂
Nice work! Hell yeah. Love this kind of content.
Love this type of thing definitely hope for more! Love to see the moment, love to see you explain it, love to see you try it, love to try it myself lol. It's great.
J makes the best FGC content👍
This combo should be an extra trail challenge for "Panda Fighting Game" to do.
Sako smirking right now
Does anyone else here not even play a single fighting game but still watch every video JM posts?
Love these types of videos!!
JM’s elation when he finally pulls off the combo is infectious.
I guess.
@@kennymccormick8295 you’re so salty lol
You had me at USF4. 🥰
I remember Sako saying that he always goes for the most optimal combos because if you don't practice them in matches how are you ever going to do them in tournament.
I’ve just gotten into fighting games again after like 20 years, and I can’t even do Ryu’s challenges on USF4 lol.
jmcroft: if you like these kind of..
me: oh fuck yeah, this shit is my favourite kind of fg video. great moments in fg history is awesome imo
keep up the good work, mate!
With heavy buttons you can triple plink (HP + (HP+MP) + (HP+MP+LP))
That french dude use to go hard solo commenting his SF4 stuff... I miss him :(
Been trying this for 4 days in and off. Got to the point I learnt plinking on pad just for this lol. Gddamn bro
A few months ago we had an exhibition with Chris G. He had clearly been drinking too. After it was over, he laid on the floor and went in training mode and did a combo with 27 1frame links....while laying down
No plinking I bet too.
@@AnthonyBottari his inputs were on but I dont even remember
@@Yoloslides I think it was James Chen that said Chris G never plinks he hits straight 1frame links .
@@AnthonyBottari I can believe it, some people just have it like that
@@Yoloslides yeah i wish I did lol
I want the people at panda to do this so bad, such a great idea
Such an awesome looking combo, Evil Ryu is a cool as hell character.
This combo looks satisfying.
Would love to see more vids like this one
I like the part with the “tack tack tack” lol
My dream is to hit this on my uncle because he taught me how to play when i was younger. i’m 16 now and i’m determined to stun him with this combo 😂
I feel like people who can do stuff like that under pressure have the special ability to keep their state of mind and forget about what's around them. Sort of a zen state.
I'm quite the opposite to that. I don't play games competitively but I can compare it to how nervous I get in rhythm games when I'm close to the end of a song with a perfect combo. Since I know I can't miss an input my fingers start to shake D=. I bet I would get destroyed under pressure in a competitive tournament.
Let's go!!!! Lol that's awesome dude. Congratulations
Are u going to try the Sako loops? I recommend Splink lol
"Newer fighting game players might not know of"
I always considered myself a "newer fighting game fan" due to how late I was introduced to them, but I watched this moment live... am I that old?
Dude your great!! 😁😁😁 love your videos indeed . Keep at it . I'm pretty sure you've played bloody roar . It would be a cool add to your collection of fighting games
When he landed it, i jumped up and cheered. Hahaha
This combo was basically another moment 37, just on offense instead of defense.
I came here from Brian f page
Love this video format
Lol I’ve seen this wen he did this in tourney I was goin nuts wen I saw this especially wen he got perfected before Daigo seems to always go god mode wen he gets perfected
Didnt know there was a term for that specific technique (plinking) i've been using it in tekken to link 3 buttons chain grabs on nina :o
I wish i knew that "plinking" years back.
“Normal human” implies Daigo isn’t human which is accurate.
Its all about muscle memory at the end
I miss guys like Latif, taking cast members like viper the the highest limits of human capability
Well done bro
Analyze Nauman vs Mago in Evo Japan's SFV finals where a young unknown player won using Sakura against top tier Karin.