The ear thing actually works. In boxing we call it "under the ear" where a strikes lands near the helix and it can disorient you for a little time (you don't see it often because it is difficult to land and also doesn't always work)
Hey Rokas, have you ever considered or perhaps thought of a way to make Aikido functional by including hand trapping similar to what they have in other grappling arts or like what they have in Wing Chun....I know a lot of people view Wing Chun also as woo arts, but apparently there are some MMA fighters that have trained in Wing Chun and use the hand trapping techniques in the style in some of their fights in the ring....or perhaps maybe combining it with Boxing or Muay Thai, where one could use elbows or punches to distract or overwhelm an opponent thus opening up their limbs or body to be grabbed onto for some of these takedowns in Aikido...perhaps the whole philosophy of Aikido needs to change as well for it to be become fully functional....instead of being a defensive art it should become more of an offensive art instead that incorporates techniques from other grappling and striking arts as well as including physical strengthening and conditioning too...I've noticed that far too many Aikido masters including Seagal himself are extremely overweight and unfit...u can't hope to manipulate the human body with no body strength of your own especially if that body is moving towards you in an aggressive, fast and unpredictable way
Why can't aikido masters do sparring? I've never seem any and I would love to watch. I just watched a video where a aikido master teaches a MMA fighter some techniques and then they did some sparring but there was only punch kick and a little bit of grappling
I really don´t know much about english lengauge but after this breaking down of the effectiveness of aikido on master seagull I sure will enroll on my hometown aikido dojo.
I think young Steven Seagal had some legit techniques because he was quite fit, and he probably used his moves in cross-stile sparring against masters and practitioners of other traditional disciplines. The more he got old and unfit, the more his popularity and ego grew, the more he got detached from the reality of combat, and hence he developed the “12th Dan old great supreme immortal master that can kill you with a forbidden pressure point deadly touch” attitude
@@MartialArtsJourney the way he used his Aikido in the footages when he was young definitely suggests he did some kind of sparring and he readapted the mechanics of some of the techniques. I don’t think that actual fighting was a thing back then btw. I know some martial artists “pressure tested” their skills in challenges against untrained opponents, or against practitioners of other styles (that also lacked of actual sparring) to test which style had the best set of techniques and fighting principles
I think I've heard that on Stuntman Reacts as well: since there is no clear shot with Steven and Mike together for the entire fight, most likely all of that editing chaos was caused by the fact, that the whole fight scene is shot 2 times separately, between Steven and Mike's stunt double and between Mike and Steven's stunt double to be then edited into a single mess we are able to witness. And that's not necessarily an "ego" thing, there could be some form of a scheduling conflict, and I guess this movie is really tight on a budget, so producers just couldn't afford the both men's costly time.
This makes sense given the USA conditions. Speaking of another low budget flick, Knight Rider, David Hasselhoff was a very well trained driver, and he could do anything with T/A, from handbrake turns and J-turns, to drifts at high speed, but after one accident which wasn't even his fault, he was banned from driving. He also had a few accidents with fight scenes, like being thrown throu a gypsium wall or fall off a boat, and after that he was banned from fight scenes as well.
@@weatherman9212 i think he still is a great martial artist, just for law enforcement, bouncer type stuff. the cops certainly love him and they have put their hands on the fire for steven seagal's stuff more than 1 occasion the man might be old and heavy, but he is still tall. and heavy doesn't mean necessarily bad because tyson fury moves like a ballerina in the ring
martial arts prowess never diminishes with age, only physical ability does. so if he ever was a good martial artist then he still is. if you need proof just watch the old man vs young man boxing match. search on youtube you will find it easy.
I think Aikido is auxiliary martial art. It's not a joke but it's also not something that can be used on it's own. When you learn to paint you have special forms shapes and body parts, but being a painter has much more pieces, like choosing theme or finding your own brush/style
this is a really good analysis. i've always thought of aikido as more of like a way of life, and a good way for people to de-stress, learn some form of physical fitness etc. i wouldn't use it in an environment where i'm being confronted by like 6 or 7 armed dudes the problem is Seagal masquerades as like a fucking Navy SEAL who can whoop everyone's ass. that's why people like to trash aikido which is really unfortunate
After you’re Journey I see you returning back to AIKIDO , maybe a more aggressive form like Seagal teaches . I couldn’t help but notice how happy and relaxed you looked throughout this video my friend . I’ve never studied Aikido but studied ground fighting for a couple of years back in the day and a lot of boxing through the years . I’ve taken an interest in systema and it complements well , despite all the negative feedback it gets , online videos really make it look ridiculous sometimes , it almost seems like they do it on purpose . I’m happy to see people with an open mind that think outside the box like you , it leads to progress in general , what ever area that may be . Keep it up ! I think you should be proud of yourself .
I had the same thought. Once one becomes a confident all round fighter the Aikido moves that didn't work before can become a great addition to the fighting arsenal.
@@MartialArtsJourney marked for death has some great fight scenes as well. Above the law and Marked for Death are my favorite 2 Seagal films. Out for justice and Hard to Kill have good ones as well but the best for me as said above is Above the Law and Marked for Death.
When I learned Aikido we practiced what to do with grabing and holding a lot and learning to lead the attacker when they want to remain stationary was a very useful skill especially if applied to grapplers. You learn to feel where they may be moved and throw them. My sensei showed us once what to do with a head butt and we laughed but essentially he closed the distance with the attacker and as they created momentum to throw a head butt, sensei stepped to the side and knocked him over. Of course i forgot the japanese term for this. But you can probably find it in "Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere."
If Jesse can get an interview with Steven, I would like to see you get a one on one interview with Steven as well. That way you could respectively compare your styles and try to ask him how he can use his style in practical ways... I think since you have the aikido background you could show why alot of the moves aren't practical and see what he says? Either way I think it would be epic.
Good idea. But I think Rokas is too arrogant to do so. He just got 2nd dan (kind of intermediate level in Aikido) but he always mentions himself as an "sensei". He acts like he mastered everything in Aikido and refuses to learn from other Aikidoka. He keeps asking MMA practicers to comment on Aikido but dare not asking any Aikido master to fix his terrible Aikido techniques. If he meet SS, he will get his Aikido-ego destroyed badly for sure
The way in which Steven uses it is as a counter striker. And, he is one of the best of all time at that. But, he never shows a primary attack. Not even so much as a planned hit to set you up for a counter(as boxers often do--this would be relevant for Seagal since he rarely ever kicks and is as close as you'll get to being a boxer as you can get without actually being one) ... You could always tell that Steven was not one of the most athletic martial artists to ever do it and maybe that's why he is so counter-specific.
@@anhtuhoang3329 Absolute rubbish. rank means nothing. I have seen 5th and 6th dans who are terrible. A 1st dan under Seagal is far better than most 5th and 6th dans. All a high dan grade is someone who has stepped on the mat for a certain amount of time. It doesn't really mean their ability is any better. Yeah, the high grades looks faster and more sharper but it's still useless and NOT practical or useful, however fast and dynamic it is. Do you understand?
More fight scene breakdowns please!😁, it'd be cool to see a movie/sparring comparison of specific techniques side by side, to see how the actual principal is applied vs how it looks in dramatic choreography
I think this can go downhill as people start asking for superhero and anime fight scenes. I mean ... Goku shooting energy beams while flying, or Naruto's fights while they are walking on water etc.... this can get illogical really fast 😝
@@belalabusultan5911 Coach Ramsey Dewey has done a few of those on his channel before and they were actually pretty awesome and he also managed to pick out some actual moves from those fictional fantasy fights too
@@cyborgchicken3502 those were cool, especially the Dark Knight Returns one, also Coach Ramsey pulled of a Kotegaeshi once, he has it somewhere on the channel, so that's cool as well
As usual, you are distinguished in all the topics you present. Your channel is very distinguished and is an important and great reference for martial arts, especially for your important meetings with martial arts experts.
You are very respectful and not biased against Steven which is great to see an actual unbiased opinion entertaining the reasons for his movements and not just saying no he’s a douche…excellent video…personally I think he’s a very good con artist who does know how to replicate some moves and is rarely challenged and walks away if he gets attacked in an interview👍👍
I'll say this, Above the Law, Hard to Kill, Out for Justice, and Marked for Death is Steven Seagal's top films ever made. In all those movies, he's playing a tough cop that utilizes Aikido to a street lethal style and the storylines are pretty good. 1992 Under Siege is when Steven Seagal started to fall off because he made a bigger budget film which he was trying to step in the realm of Action Heroes. Jean Claude Van Damme made Universal Soldier later on and Jeff Speakman made Perfect Weapon which was to put Kenpo Karate on the map. After Under Siege, you see a shift in Steven Seagal, because he wanted to play a spiritual monk like narrative in his films after Under Siege which he explains it's more creative control in the movies. Steven Seagal said in interviews he didn't like killing people in films and in the late 90's, 2000s, 2010s, Seagal is in movies where he uses more of the non lethal Aikido. You see more of Seagal's Aikido philosophies in the more later films where he has creative control and he's not killing people on film rapidly. People forgot about the Saturday Night Live in 1991 where he was voted the worst host of all time (He was promoting Out for Justice that could of been Seagal's best film where the Aikido is at another level). Mad TV actor Will Sasso made spoofs of Seagal based on SNL and his spitual realm of being a monk.
I had always thought that when popular franchises fell off it was because a clueless Hollywood exec/overrated director gradually gained more power with each movie and had no idea what they were doing, but now I realize that some actors probably did the same thing.
@@jellojiggler1693 Look at his first 4 movies after Under Siege and you'll find he played a spiritual monk in most of them. Glimmer man where he plays a cop shows playing also a spiritual monk into philosophy and Buddhist teachings. He was given the title Sensi Seagal.
Sorry..easy fight with these "aikido " dudes...so yawn!!! for me. His movies fell off when he started approaching 250 lbs.. Sorry, I don't want to get a black belt on Bullshido
Terrific breakdown video! I remember how fascinated and curious I was about Seagals martial arts techniques in Above the Law and Under Siege when I was a kid. I had a TKD background so these things were fairly foreign to me Having jujitsu, judo etc background as an adult, this all makes more sense now. I see the overlap. Your video is the first one that REALLY puts these films under a technical microscope in this way, thanks 🙏 for this 💥
Just wanna clarify several things on the "China Salesman" film fight. The stunt work on that scene was explained in detail by the director a few months back, so I'll mention a few key details to clarify some of Rokas questions... 1.) Seagal and Tyson did not do any scenes together in this film; they were both very busy and to cut time constraints, the film company just went ahead and used stunt doubles for BOTH Mike AND Seagal, not just Seagal himself. Foreign action films often use dubs and doubles like this to keep costs cheap and speed up production (even Jackie Chan uses doubles). 2.) Mike and Steven were not recording on set at the same time at any point in the film. That's why, if you look closely, whenever Steven's face is there, there's a stunt double for Mike with his back to the camera. And vice versa, when Mike is shown on camera, there's a stunt double for Steven. Just to be clear also, it's just for production cost reasons; there's no bad blood between Mike and Steven at all. They're actually very respectful to each other and Seagal has attended many great boxing events alongside Mike. 3.) In regards to Seagal's earlier films, his approach to Aiki Budo has always been a "hybrid" approach. Seagal has black belts in Karate and Judo/old style JJ on top of his world class Aikido and Kenjutsu. One of the core things he also emphasized to his students even way back in the 80s and 90s was to learn to deflect/parry real boxing jabs and crosses. He also detailed the importance of defending single leg/double leg takedowns. Also on a side note, Jesse released part two of his Seagal training, I figure you'd want to check it out.
That's some awesome info! Thanks for sharing it 🙏 I'm planning to break down the second part of Jesse's video and then I'll take a break from examining Steven Seagal 😁
@Real Aiglon You do realize Seagal has had private lessons with Tetsuhiro Hokama for years, right? Do you even know who that is? Hokama is one of highest ranked masters of Karate alive today (Goju Ryu/Kobudo/White Crane). Seagal was connected to a lot of top level Budoka, he knew Mas Oyama as well (and yes, there are photos of Oyama and Seagal, though harder to find today). Seagal was known as "Take Shigemichi" in Japan. Want more testimonials? Okay, "Razor" Rey Garcia, former cop/military vet/BJJ and Judo champion was interviewed about Seagal, since he got on the mats with him years ago. Rey Garcia made it clear, "he's 100 percent legit; he threw me around like nothing" (his words, not mine). Rey also pointed out that Seagal had Judo and Karate black belts from years back.
@@atraxisdarkstar Do you believe anything a man's bitter ex-wife says? Should we believe anything Robin Givens says about Mike Tyson? How bout Randy Couture's ex-wife? Do you get how ridiculous that is? So you refuse to believe ACTUAL FIGHTERS that got on the mats with Seagal (like Razor Rey Garcia), but you immediately believe what an ex wife claims? Miyako (Seagal's ex) conveniently forgot to mention that her entire dojo was falling apart before Seagal offered to take over. He turned the dojo around, that's why the famous agent Mike Ovitz mentioned in his biography how he was blown away when meeting Seagal for the first time and hearing of his rep in Japan (Ovitz himself was an avid martial artist).
You should do a video like this for all of his films. Or at least the films that made it to theater. I would ❤️ it if you did a video analyzing each of his films individually.
Seagal didn´t take any damage from Tyson because Tyson and Seagal were not on the set at the same time. Seagal´s double got the beating at the end. They(the producers) told Seagal that the fight would end up in a draw. After cutting this C-movie Tyson was the winner.
@@MartialArtsJourney The director and producers said that. But do me a favor: Watch the fight between Seagal and Tyson again. Do you see both on the screen together at the same time? No! You only see Seagal with a Tyson double and you only see Tyson with a Seagal double. I´m astonished that you didn´t notice that after watching the fight scene.
@@Katzenhase You also said "They(the producers) told Seagal that the fight would end up in a draw. After cutting this C-movie Tyson was the winner". This, however, is not something one can glean from that clip.
@@itskarl7575 Can´t you see that Seagal and Tyson were not on the set at the same time? Watch the entire fight. When you see Tyson, you don´t see Seagal, only his double. When you see Seagal, you don´t see Tyson. I can´t understand why people are not able to notice that when they watch a fight scene. What´s so hard to understand? Seagal and Tyson only met at MMA or boxing fights but not on a set of a movie.
Pressuring the trachea is actually a technique in Sanbo. It is not a preferred technique in BJJ, because there is much higher chance of injuring your opponent. Fedor Emelianenko used to use the technique.
I'd like to add my agreement to the pressuring the trachea being a valid, if exceedingly deadly move. However, you'd be looking for a fulcrum to get the leverage you need, especially on a muscular opponent, and I don't see a good fulcrum there.
The Seagal "Kung Fu" stance, combined with the iremi tenkan like passing, might mean that the choreography was based on Bagua Zhang (hard to tell without seeing the full scene). There is a longish-standing theory that Ueshiba Sensei may have seen or even studied some Bagua while he was in Manchuria, China. Either way, it probably China's closest (older) cousin to Aikido (and more familiar to China's fight choreographers). And the position of the arms during that passing looks more Bagua than Aikido. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Good observation good sir. Seagal actually began training Kungfu and Karate before Aikido. He has done top level seminars/training with Sifu Samuel Kwok for years. He's also longtime friends with Dan Inosanto (Kali, Arnis, JKD).
Thank you, this has been confirmed by my Sensei (3rd Dan in Shodokan) There's at least one technique that's essentially a carbon copy of the other. And the footwork principles are very close. Obviously, both are very circular. I also did Ba Gua back in the day.
I don't do aikido but I'm training in hapkido and was told that if you resist too much in training you can get hurt seriously. I think because it's his class there's not going to be much resistance
Most of the stunt guys in the films were his students, especially in the early days. That’s why they could take the ukemi for him like that. And it looks good on film. That’s how they sold his first movie to the studios was the dynamic throws.
We owned very few movies growing up, and "above the law" was one of them, so I've watched that movie about a dozen times. I do love him using the aikido against people wielding machetes and baseball bats, which kind of allows a ""realistic"" portrayal of what aikido supposedly does, rather than against a boxer, for instance.
I would use the front kick all the time. When I was in the military a friend of mine used that Seagel move to take me down. I have used it to take down high kicks for years since then. Its very effective.
I saw an interview with seagal by Scott Adkins. He talked about how he wanted to do alot of pre war aikijutsu so that's why he's hammer fisting and elbowing everyone in above the law lol
I learned that choke in Judo and I can tell you that pushing the trachea back is totally effective and results are incredibly fast. I won't explain in detail the particulars of how it's done because it's way too dangerous to try in practice or use on someone for real.
I know its a film and choreographed, but that Steven vs Mike fight just felt cringeworthy, despite Steven possessing good aikido knowledge and experience and him now popping up in my YT feed, I still imagine him as the South Park version
You are somewhat wrong about the choke at the end. The one with direct pressure towards the trachea was actually the original way of doing a rear naked choke as it was in Japanese Ju-Jutsu. It wasn’t until Judo emerged that it was changed to a less lethal approach by targeting the arteries instead.
Thats wrong, they are different chokes, at least in jiu jitsu they are called mata León (Lion killer, rear naked choke that cuts the blood flow) and mata oso (bear killer, and it's an attack to the tráquea to cut the air flow, not the blood flow)
@@madmoonrabbit That’s true. Unless you break the trachea (or the neck) which the technique originally was made for 🙃 I don’t even think I mentioned an air choke, but I understand why you assume I meant that.
@@ricksterdrummer2170 you 'could' break the trachea but even then your opponent can fight for up to 10 minutes. A blood choke is considered a better choke as it is effective almost immediately upon being applied. Taking out the airway might stop them from breathing, but humans can fight through not breathing, especially if they are trained to. Stopping blood and oxygen from entering the brain can shut down a person in less than 10 seconds. This makes is a more effective choke.
I did Aikido for some years, from 19 until 25 when I got my black belt and I stopped it then. In my opinion the most easy to use and effective technique to use for self defence is the rokkyo. We never see this in movies because the attacker does not do a breakfall and it does not look impressive. How ever it has the huge advantage that it is very easy to apply compared to other aikido techniques. Imagine for example getting attacked by someone who holds a knife or a stick and we have no room to back up and keep distance. The first think that our instinct tells us is to grab the armed arm. Grab it however we can to avoid getting hit by the weapon. Anyway we can grab it is good. On the wrist or higher up the arm, we grab it with undergrip,overgrip, all is ok. Then we just hug all his arm and use our whole mass to drop our bodyweight on opponent's soulder and drop him down. Fast and dynamically. It doesnt even matter if his arm is bent or we keep it straight. No need to try to set him up for some kind of delicate wrist manipulation, which never works in real situations. A Rokkyo type of move can be done just with brute force if needed. I really consider a dynamic Rokkyo the most effective and usefull technique from Aikido.
LOL, I’ve never heard of this movie! But a friend of mine, who is a high ranking Karate practitioner and very skilled, trained with Mr. Seagal many years ago (he also choreographed the fight scenes in at least one of Mr. Seagal’s movies) and said that he was very explosive for such big guy. Again, as I have mentioned previously in other of your posts, I think that it is a mistake to try and force an opening for an Aikido technique. It makes much more sense to me to use Aikido techniques as opportunities present themselves. I have done Aikido practice over only a couple of periods over the years so I claim no real expertise. I have much more experience in Karate. I have a number of high ranking Karate friends who have also done Aikido and find it a very helpful addition to their Karate.
Personally I'd like to see your reaction to the second part of the video Jesse released with Steven Seagal. Alot of it feels like a rehash but they did cover other techniques, and had a longer conversation about his philosophy.
Sankyo is a very common technique in various Ju Jutsū styles also. While it's correct that this technique is pretty hard to do on a resisting Uke, manipulating the fingers before entering and while executing Sankyo makes it a lot easier. Binding the fingers into a knot will have Uke tiptoeing in pain already before Sankyo closes the lid.
You can also perform a choke by pressing with the forearm on the glottis with the wrist turned to exterior and twist it towards interior in order to level up the glottis with your first radial muscle and shut the breathing, wich will consequently weaken and ultimately asphyxiate your opponent. In this case, no need to cut the blood circulation on both the arterias, nor lock your forearm with your other hand as the opponent won't be able to unbalance you and allow you to keep pressing on his neck to ensure control. This technique must be well learned before used as it can easely be lethal and often require resuscitation.
Seagal does take a little bit of damage in Marked for Death, in the final fight scene. Nothing much, but the bad guy did slam Seagal's face into some bottles and glasses on a bar counter, as well as knock Seagal's head back against the wall a couple of times.
Yes, you are right, Steven uses Wing Chun blocks when he wants to simulate some fast punch exchange. And don't know why Aikido didn't take some parts from Wing Chun? Aikido has no answer to a fast jab from boxing (a punch from the elbow), while Wing Chun has pak sao (the slapping block), which is what Steven uses. In the same way, there are some blocks like bon sao, that can easily can go into the leverage on the elbow Ikkyo. Or any other double blocks can be used for some grabbing and leverage techniques. Aikido needs any help it can get.
7:17 When filming this scene the actor really hit Seagal and broke his nose. This is probably why he refuses to let his characters take any damage from that point onwards.
I would love to have a commentary followed by a demonstration with a compliant opponent and then a resisting opponent. Too much talk, not enough action!
The fight scene with Mike Tyson, i think its already been established that neither of them were in the room together for the scene and its stunt doubles.
What I personally think made those early Steven Segal movies so good, was the fact that aikido can be done at 100% without holding back, as long as you havea really good uke, which Segal has. The reason this is a boon to the movie is because you can do the real movements and kinetic impact transfers to the viewer making it feel much more visceral. Now if that was a karate movie, or kick boxing movie or any of that you can't make the real moves because you will hurt the person. So you have to use camera angles and acting to simulate the action. If you watch Chuck Norris movies you will see that his round house kick travels at least 50-60 cm from the guy's face and he acts like he gets hit, and for a good reason. Nobody wants to actually take that hit LOL. Same with Boyka movies and so on. The camera is set in such a way that both actors and the camera are on the same line with the guy being striken in the middle. This way the viewer lacks depth of field and it's really hard to judge the distance so the illusion works. Aikido doesn't need illusion, due to the way it is designed. And this is just my opinion but at the time Segal started to depart from aikido and use more tai-chi / kung fu / karate in his movies they started to get really bad. I'd say around 2006 forward....
I've never understood why people say "XYZ martial art is for fighting against UNTRAINED attackers." While untrained attackers may be slightly unorthodox in how they move, a trained fighter is way more dangerous, and knowing how to handle yourself against one means even the unorthodox nature of the untrained attacker is no problem.
What do you think of Aikidoflow? Theyt train aikido and show techniques that could work for actual self defence. Also I usd to do kung fu and the only way I know to attack the ear is to slightly cup your hand and just slap the ear. This can perforate the ear drum.
You are right when you say the Seagal uses stunt doubles. I saw one of his movies once [I can't recall the title] where a fight scene was shot in very low light conditions, where the actors were mere silhouettes. I saw 'Seagal' perform a jump, spinning heel kick in the style of Jean Claud van Damme. This is when Seagal had already ballooned into that grossly overweight caricature of himself! There was no way that it was him performing the kick!! When aging martial arts actors have to resort to stunt doubles, to my mind, it is a betrayal of not only their own teachers and their martial arts heritage but their fan-base as well. But, I guess the dollar is mightier than their self respect!
In 1968 I was the fastest sprinter at Paul Revere Junior High School in Brentwood, California. The coach wanted me to join the track team. He said I would have to cut my hippie hair and I deferred. He said he had never seen anybody run on their toes. Had I run barefoot I would have been faster. When I ran all of my fears would arise and I would outrun them. Steven Seagal, should he choose to catch up with the bad guy, could learn from me. I have nothing to prove but when you are good at something it's alright to say so.
"Executive Decision" (spoilers for this movie) was a movie that was hyped as a movie with Steven Seagal. Then he was only in a few scenes and then got sucked out of an airplane! Lol I don't even think he fought anyone. It may be the only movie he ever died in. It was during a time when Seagals movie roles were getting more far fetched and cheesy as his stomach was getting more far stretched from cheeses! The scene of him being sucked out of the plane was comically amazing! Lol
Haha, I totally forgot about that. Good point. I remember in my childhood years having my mind blown by Steven getting sucked out of the plane. Such a well thought out twist given his image of an undefeatable person
They did that because he assaulted another actor on set (john Leguizamo) after John laughed when Seagal said he was in charge and was the king. So they just killed of his character to get rid of him. He was also notoriously cruel to stunt doubles. Probably because he got choked out by one once after he told them that do to his navy seal training (that Seagal never had) he was immune to all choke holds. :D
Is that true? Lmao I never knew that... I'm gonna have to look into this!! This just made my day I'm going down a Google rabbit hole on this one lol. I love jucey gossip crap like this such a great distraction when it turns out to be provable fact! Lol do you have any links to share on the John Leguizamo Steven Seagal on set "beef" this is comedy gold!! Lol
@@spiraleye7822 Probably not true as the person who said it has credibility issues but definitely true that people in Hollywood hated Seagal and were more than happy to repeat it.
Very nice! The MMA guy applying the technique on the ring was awesome! I would love to see more of those! Regarding Seagal, he looks like a very fast and polished fighter in general. Aikido seems effective and I did some similar moves like grabbing the arm and throwing people around when fightning the kids when I was young even though I never practiced any aikido or judo. It worked pretty well on the kids, I'm sure it work's against regular people on the streets. Fightning a boxer or a knife is another story and a pretty brutal one, no martial arts can do it safely.
We had a guy in the office who happened to be an aikido instructor and I was expressing dubitative views about the opponents being effortlessly thrown away and he explained me that the people were going down by themselves to avoid wrist injury and he asked me to extend my arm and he did sone kote gaeshi and there was a noise of something getting broken somehere in my arm or wrist or hand, and he blamed me for not throwing myself to the floor.
I just realized he compressed his lips when fighting Mike, he was definitely scared of Tyson as you should be, but Sensei Seagal was supposed to be the ultimate master, "Everyone has a plan: until they get punched in the face". 😂 I wonder if Seagal's Aikido would work if he wasn't 1.93 m 🤔
I think Randori is much harder than it is made out to be and has too much merit in the street, even as a boxer and Muay Thai practitioner, the way Steven Seagal moves is very useful in the street, if you stand in one spot, you are done in the street, plus his moves are very effective, I've used them twice effectively.
You know, I've gotta be honest... even though I have my doubts about Aikido's effectiveness (and am not a person who trains aikido himself)... I still wouldn't mess with Steven Seagal lol And the more I watch your videos, the more I see that there actually are many Aikido techniques which are potentially effective as well.
I used a similar choke to stop a fight. I only had to apply it for about 2 seconds and the guy who was superior in size gave up. However we were on the ground
Remember atemi, so meaning landing a strike first, then do a technique. Being a K-1 level striker is the way to go, then use bits and pieces of judo or aikido if it's there.
Yes he studied with several Wing Chun teachers, including Samuel Kwok and Randy Williams. He's also trained with Guru Dan Inosanto for decades. You can see his heavy use of Wing Chun since 1996 in "The Glimmer Man" film.
Actually in the movies Seagal use spetznas fight system. Moves are doable but you must be fast enough and athletic enough to do it. In true fight all comes down to how fast are you vs oponent speed. Fight vs Mike Tyson is plausable as well. Oponent can block your choke attempt. So you cant actually squeeze around the neck. Pressing downwards his mouth and head, pulling down your elbow with his hand and lift up his shoulders. So you end up much lower than his throat and neck level.
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The ear thing actually works. In boxing we call it "under the ear" where a strikes lands near the helix and it can disorient you for a little time (you don't see it often because it is difficult to land and also doesn't always work)
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Hey Rokas, have you ever considered or perhaps thought of a way to make Aikido functional by including hand trapping similar to what they have in other grappling arts or like what they have in Wing Chun....I know a lot of people view Wing Chun also as woo arts, but apparently there are some MMA fighters that have trained in Wing Chun and use the hand trapping techniques in the style in some of their fights in the ring....or perhaps maybe combining it with Boxing or Muay Thai, where one could use elbows or punches to distract or overwhelm an opponent thus opening up their limbs or body to be grabbed onto for some of these takedowns in Aikido...perhaps the whole philosophy of Aikido needs to change as well for it to be become fully functional....instead of being a defensive art it should become more of an offensive art instead that incorporates techniques from other grappling and striking arts as well as including physical strengthening and conditioning too...I've noticed that far too many Aikido masters including Seagal himself are extremely overweight and unfit...u can't hope to manipulate the human body with no body strength of your own especially if that body is moving towards you in an aggressive, fast and unpredictable way
Why can't aikido masters do sparring? I've never seem any and I would love to watch. I just watched a video where a aikido master teaches a MMA fighter some techniques and then they did some sparring but there was only punch kick and a little bit of grappling
I really don´t know much about english lengauge but after this breaking down of the effectiveness of aikido on master seagull I sure will enroll on my hometown aikido dojo.
I think young Steven Seagal had some legit techniques because he was quite fit, and he probably used his moves in cross-stile sparring against masters and practitioners of other traditional disciplines. The more he got old and unfit, the more his popularity and ego grew, the more he got detached from the reality of combat, and hence he developed the “12th Dan old great supreme immortal master that can kill you with a forbidden pressure point deadly touch” attitude
I'd love to see some footage of him sparring
@@MartialArtsJourney the way he used his Aikido in the footages when he was young definitely suggests he did some kind of sparring and he readapted the mechanics of some of the techniques.
I don’t think that actual fighting was a thing back then btw. I know some martial artists “pressure tested” their skills in challenges against untrained opponents, or against practitioners of other styles (that also lacked of actual sparring) to test which style had the best set of techniques and fighting principles
But he taught Anderson Silva that kick....
@@itskarl7575 I think you mean spear
@Martial Arts Journey he would do it better than you for sure
I think I've heard that on Stuntman Reacts as well: since there is no clear shot with Steven and Mike together for the entire fight, most likely all of that editing chaos was caused by the fact, that the whole fight scene is shot 2 times separately, between Steven and Mike's stunt double and between Mike and Steven's stunt double to be then edited into a single mess we are able to witness. And that's not necessarily an "ego" thing, there could be some form of a scheduling conflict, and I guess this movie is really tight on a budget, so producers just couldn't afford the both men's costly time.
This makes sense given the USA conditions. Speaking of another low budget flick, Knight Rider, David Hasselhoff was a very well trained driver, and he could do anything with T/A, from handbrake turns and J-turns, to drifts at high speed, but after one accident which wasn't even his fault, he was banned from driving. He also had a few accidents with fight scenes, like being thrown throu a gypsium wall or fall off a boat, and after that he was banned from fight scenes as well.
I think it's cool that you can acknowledge Segal's movie success without pretending he's a bad ass fighter.
I would say that he WAS....as in was in his youth. But not now.
He was definitely a great martial artist, has some insightful knowledge
@@weatherman9212 i think he still is a great martial artist, just for law enforcement, bouncer type stuff. the cops certainly love him and they have put their hands on the fire for steven seagal's stuff more than 1 occasion
the man might be old and heavy, but he is still tall. and heavy doesn't mean necessarily bad because tyson fury moves like a ballerina in the ring
martial arts prowess never diminishes with age, only physical ability does. so if he ever was a good martial artist then he still is. if you need proof just watch the old man vs young man boxing match. search on youtube you will find it easy.
Everyone will tell you, don't let him get hold of your hand, then its over.
I think Aikido is auxiliary martial art. It's not a joke but it's also not something that can be used on it's own. When you learn to paint you have special forms shapes and body parts, but being a painter has much more pieces, like choosing theme or finding your own brush/style
Soooo... be water?
this is a really good analysis. i've always thought of aikido as more of like a way of life, and a good way for people to de-stress, learn some form of physical fitness etc. i wouldn't use it in an environment where i'm being confronted by like 6 or 7 armed dudes
the problem is Seagal masquerades as like a fucking Navy SEAL who can whoop everyone's ass. that's why people like to trash aikido which is really unfortunate
I think Aikido is meant to be used either as the very last, humanitarian finishing move, or against people not trained to fight at all.
After you’re Journey I see you returning back to AIKIDO , maybe a more aggressive form like Seagal teaches . I couldn’t help but notice how happy and relaxed you looked throughout this video my friend . I’ve never studied Aikido but studied ground fighting for a couple of years back in the day and a lot of boxing through the years . I’ve taken an interest in systema and it complements well , despite all the negative feedback it gets , online videos really make it look ridiculous sometimes , it almost seems like they do it on purpose . I’m happy to see people with an open mind that think outside the box like you , it leads to progress in general , what ever area that may be . Keep it up ! I think you should be proud of yourself .
I had the same thought. Once one becomes a confident all round fighter the Aikido moves that didn't work before can become a great addition to the fighting arsenal.
This is great! I’m glad Rokas is explaining the techniques so we can see that Aikido can be useful, even if only a few moves actually work.
It all works in the right hands
Errr no it doesn’t- not on an unconplaint ie normal opponent it doesn’t!
Great breakdown Rokas, please do more Seagal movies!
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Thanks David! Your encouragement is very much appreciated! Looking forward to your new videos as well!
@@MartialArtsJourney marked for death has some great fight scenes as well. Above the law and Marked for Death are my favorite 2 Seagal films. Out for justice and Hard to Kill have good ones as well but the best for me as said above is Above the Law and Marked for Death.
When I learned Aikido we practiced what to do with grabing and holding a lot and learning to lead the attacker when they want to remain stationary was a very useful skill especially if applied to grapplers. You learn to feel where they may be moved and throw them. My sensei showed us once what to do with a head butt and we laughed but essentially he closed the distance with the attacker and as they created momentum to throw a head butt, sensei stepped to the side and knocked him over. Of course i forgot the japanese term for this. But you can probably find it in "Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere."
"One Thought He Was Invincible, The Other Thought He Could Fly. They Were Both Wrong." - Steven Seagal (Marked For Death)
The best SS movie IMO.
If Jesse can get an interview with Steven, I would like to see you get a one on one interview with Steven as well. That way you could respectively compare your styles and try to ask him how he can use his style in practical ways... I think since you have the aikido background you could show why alot of the moves aren't practical and see what he says? Either way I think it would be epic.
Good idea. But I think Rokas is too arrogant to do so. He just got 2nd dan (kind of intermediate level in Aikido) but he always mentions himself as an "sensei". He acts like he mastered everything in Aikido and refuses to learn from other Aikidoka. He keeps asking MMA practicers to comment on Aikido but dare not asking any Aikido master to fix his terrible Aikido techniques. If he meet SS, he will get his Aikido-ego destroyed badly for sure
@@anhtuhoang3329 that's true
@@anhtuhoang3329 His Aikido technique looks good.
The way in which Steven uses it is as a counter striker. And, he is one of the best of all time at that. But, he never shows a primary attack. Not even so much as a planned hit to set you up for a counter(as boxers often do--this would be relevant for Seagal since he rarely ever kicks and is as close as you'll get to being a boxer as you can get without actually being one) ... You could always tell that Steven was not one of the most athletic martial artists to ever do it and maybe that's why he is so counter-specific.
@@anhtuhoang3329 Absolute rubbish. rank means nothing. I have seen 5th and 6th dans who are terrible. A 1st dan under Seagal is far better than most 5th and 6th dans. All a high dan grade is someone who has stepped on the mat for a certain amount of time. It doesn't really mean their ability is any better. Yeah, the high grades looks faster and more sharper but it's still useless and NOT practical or useful, however fast and dynamic it is. Do you understand?
More fight scene breakdowns please!😁, it'd be cool to see a movie/sparring comparison of specific techniques side by side, to see how the actual principal is applied vs how it looks in dramatic choreography
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I think this can go downhill as people start asking for superhero and anime fight scenes.
I mean ... Goku shooting energy beams while flying, or Naruto's fights while they are walking on water etc.... this can get illogical really fast 😝
@@belalabusultan5911 ofcourse not haha, techniques that actually can be principally applied such as kotegaeshi, has potential but needs research
@@belalabusultan5911 Coach Ramsey Dewey has done a few of those on his channel before and they were actually pretty awesome and he also managed to pick out some actual moves from those fictional fantasy fights too
@@cyborgchicken3502 those were cool, especially the Dark Knight Returns one, also Coach Ramsey pulled of a Kotegaeshi once, he has it somewhere on the channel, so that's cool as well
As usual, you are distinguished in all the topics you present. Your channel is very distinguished and is an important and great reference for martial arts, especially for your important meetings with martial arts experts.
You are very respectful and not biased against Steven which is great to see an actual unbiased opinion entertaining the reasons for his movements and not just saying no he’s a douche…excellent video…personally I think he’s a very good con artist who does know how to replicate some moves and is rarely challenged and walks away if he gets attacked in an interview👍👍
I'll say this, Above the Law, Hard to Kill, Out for Justice, and Marked for Death is Steven Seagal's top films ever made. In all those movies, he's playing a tough cop that utilizes Aikido to a street lethal style and the storylines are pretty good.
1992 Under Siege is when Steven Seagal started to fall off because he made a bigger budget film which he was trying to step in the realm of Action Heroes. Jean Claude Van Damme made Universal Soldier later on and Jeff Speakman made Perfect Weapon which was to put Kenpo Karate on the map. After Under Siege, you see a shift in Steven Seagal, because he wanted to play a spiritual monk like narrative in his films after Under Siege which he explains it's more creative control in the movies. Steven Seagal said in interviews he didn't like killing people in films and in the late 90's, 2000s, 2010s, Seagal is in movies where he uses more of the non lethal Aikido.
You see more of Seagal's Aikido philosophies in the more later films where he has creative control and he's not killing people on film rapidly.
People forgot about the Saturday Night Live in 1991 where he was voted the worst host of all time (He was promoting Out for Justice that could of been Seagal's best film where the Aikido is at another level). Mad TV actor Will Sasso made spoofs of Seagal based on SNL and his spitual realm of being a monk.
I had always thought that when popular franchises fell off it was because a clueless Hollywood exec/overrated director gradually gained more power with each movie and had no idea what they were doing, but now I realize that some actors probably did the same thing.
@@jellojiggler1693 Look at his first 4 movies after Under Siege and you'll find he played a spiritual monk in most of them. Glimmer man where he plays a cop shows playing also a spiritual monk into philosophy and Buddhist teachings. He was given the title Sensi Seagal.
Sorry..easy fight with these "aikido " dudes...so yawn!!! for me. His movies fell off when he started approaching 250 lbs.. Sorry, I don't want to get a black belt on Bullshido
On Deadly Ground and Fire Down Below were favorites of mine.
Terrific breakdown video! I remember how fascinated and curious I was about Seagals martial arts techniques in Above the Law and Under Siege when I was a kid. I had a TKD background so these things were fairly foreign to me
Having jujitsu, judo etc background as an adult, this all makes more sense now. I see the overlap. Your video is the first one that REALLY puts these films under a technical microscope in this way, thanks 🙏 for this 💥
Just wanna clarify several things on the "China Salesman" film fight. The stunt work on that scene was explained in detail by the director a few months back, so I'll mention a few key details to clarify some of Rokas questions...
1.) Seagal and Tyson did not do any scenes together in this film; they were both very busy and to cut time constraints, the film company just went ahead and used stunt doubles for BOTH Mike AND Seagal, not just Seagal himself. Foreign action films often use dubs and doubles like this to keep costs cheap and speed up production (even Jackie Chan uses doubles).
2.) Mike and Steven were not recording on set at the same time at any point in the film. That's why, if you look closely, whenever Steven's face is there, there's a stunt double for Mike with his back to the camera. And vice versa, when Mike is shown on camera, there's a stunt double for Steven. Just to be clear also, it's just for production cost reasons; there's no bad blood between Mike and Steven at all. They're actually very respectful to each other and Seagal has attended many great boxing events alongside Mike.
3.) In regards to Seagal's earlier films, his approach to Aiki Budo has always been a "hybrid" approach. Seagal has black belts in Karate and Judo/old style JJ on top of his world class Aikido and Kenjutsu. One of the core things he also emphasized to his students even way back in the 80s and 90s was to learn to deflect/parry real boxing jabs and crosses. He also detailed the importance of defending single leg/double leg takedowns.
Also on a side note, Jesse released part two of his Seagal training, I figure you'd want to check it out.
That's some awesome info! Thanks for sharing it 🙏 I'm planning to break down the second part of Jesse's video and then I'll take a break from examining Steven Seagal 😁
@Real Aiglon You do realize Seagal has had private lessons with Tetsuhiro Hokama for years, right? Do you even know who that is? Hokama is one of highest ranked masters of Karate alive today (Goju Ryu/Kobudo/White Crane). Seagal was connected to a lot of top level Budoka, he knew Mas Oyama as well (and yes, there are photos of Oyama and Seagal, though harder to find today). Seagal was known as "Take Shigemichi" in Japan.
Want more testimonials? Okay, "Razor" Rey Garcia, former cop/military vet/BJJ and Judo champion was interviewed about Seagal, since he got on the mats with him years ago. Rey Garcia made it clear, "he's 100 percent legit; he threw me around like nothing" (his words, not mine). Rey also pointed out that Seagal had Judo and Karate black belts from years back.
@@AztecUnshaven According to his first wife, he was lucky to even get his Aikido black belt.
@@atraxisdarkstar Do you believe anything a man's bitter ex-wife says?
Should we believe anything Robin Givens says about Mike Tyson?
How bout Randy Couture's ex-wife? Do you get how ridiculous that is?
So you refuse to believe ACTUAL FIGHTERS that got on the mats with Seagal (like Razor Rey Garcia), but you immediately believe what an ex wife claims?
Miyako (Seagal's ex) conveniently forgot to mention that her entire dojo was falling apart before Seagal offered to take over. He turned the dojo around, that's why the famous agent Mike Ovitz mentioned in his biography how he was blown away when meeting Seagal for the first time and hearing of his rep in Japan (Ovitz himself was an avid martial artist).
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He scammed and cheated on his wife. Steven is a charlatan. Aikido is almost useless.
Love it!
Please more analysis, Rokas
Out for justice bar fight scene. One of the best action movie scenes ever
Awesome, love this video. More please. Personally I've always been a fan of Steven Seagal.
I’d love to see more of these
So cool video ... please more Breaks Down Steven Seagal (or other action stars movies) Fight Scenes.
You should do a video like this for all of his films. Or at least the films that made it to theater. I would ❤️ it if you did a video analyzing each of his films individually.
Seagal didn´t take any damage from Tyson because Tyson and Seagal were not on the set at the same time. Seagal´s double got the beating at the end. They(the producers) told Seagal that the fight would end up in a draw. After cutting this C-movie Tyson was the winner.
That's interesting. Do you have a source for that?
@@MartialArtsJourney The director and producers said that. But do me a favor: Watch the fight between Seagal and Tyson again. Do you see both on the screen together at the same time? No! You only see Seagal with a Tyson double and you only see Tyson with a Seagal double. I´m astonished that you didn´t notice that after watching the fight scene.
@@Katzenhase You also said "They(the producers) told Seagal that the fight would end up in a draw. After cutting this C-movie Tyson was the winner". This, however, is not something one can glean from that clip.
@@itskarl7575 Can´t you see that Seagal and Tyson were not on the set at the same time? Watch the entire fight. When you see Tyson, you don´t see Seagal, only his double. When you see Seagal, you don´t see Tyson. I can´t understand why people are not able to notice that when they watch a fight scene. What´s so hard to understand? Seagal and Tyson only met at MMA or boxing fights but not on a set of a movie.
@@Katzenhase "Can´t you see that Seagal and Tyson were not on the set at the same time?"
How is this relevant to what I said?
fight scene breakdown are great :)
Great video. The ear strike was probably a quite shout out to Mike Tyson having bitten an opponents ear in a boxing match.
Very good breakdown!!!
Pressuring the trachea is actually a technique in Sanbo. It is not a preferred technique in BJJ, because there is much higher chance of injuring your opponent. Fedor Emelianenko used to use the technique.
I'd like to add my agreement to the pressuring the trachea being a valid, if exceedingly deadly move. However, you'd be looking for a fulcrum to get the leverage you need, especially on a muscular opponent, and I don't see a good fulcrum there.
Very informative and entertaining. 😎
The Seagal "Kung Fu" stance, combined with the iremi tenkan like passing, might mean that the choreography was based on Bagua Zhang (hard to tell without seeing the full scene). There is a longish-standing theory that Ueshiba Sensei may have seen or even studied some Bagua while he was in Manchuria, China. Either way, it probably China's closest (older) cousin to Aikido (and more familiar to China's fight choreographers). And the position of the arms during that passing looks more Bagua than Aikido. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Good observation good sir. Seagal actually began training Kungfu and Karate before Aikido. He has done top level seminars/training with Sifu Samuel Kwok for years. He's also longtime friends with Dan Inosanto (Kali, Arnis, JKD).
yes i thought the same, when he turned around to evade tyson, and rokas thought it was aikido stuff, i said out loud no that's bagua!!!!
Thank you, this has been confirmed by my Sensei (3rd Dan in Shodokan) There's at least one technique that's essentially a carbon copy of the other. And the footwork principles are very close. Obviously, both are very circular. I also did Ba Gua back in the day.
The stance looked a bit like Hao style Tai Chi to me.
Marked For Death has the best fights in my opinion. Fighting the Jamaican drug dealers in the mall is my favorite.
I don't do aikido but I'm training in hapkido and was told that if you resist too much in training you can get hurt seriously. I think because it's his class there's not going to be much resistance
You’re starting to see sankyo in bjj competitions using the go to wrap around the wrist. It’s pretty devastating from the looks of it.
I enjoyed your informed and intelligent/comical commentary alot! I wish someone like you would talk more about legitimation kōryū jūjutsu.
Thanks! Hadn't seen analysis of Steven Seagal's moves before. He does good often letting his supporting actors bust their moves.
Most of the stunt guys in the films were his students, especially in the early days. That’s why they could take the ukemi for him like that. And it looks good on film. That’s how they sold his first movie to the studios was the dynamic throws.
Cool. Yes please do more. Segal is a pariah but he's a legitimately dangerous martial artist.
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Yes! More please!
We owned very few movies growing up, and "above the law" was one of them, so I've watched that movie about a dozen times. I do love him using the aikido against people wielding machetes and baseball bats, which kind of allows a ""realistic"" portrayal of what aikido supposedly does, rather than against a boxer, for instance.
Hi bro, I hope you do another analysis of his techniques on Jesse Enkamps new video. Your last was one was top notch!
Thanks! I'm planning to release it tomorrow
@@MartialArtsJourney Sweet! Looking forward to that.
I would use the front kick all the time. When I was in the military a friend of mine used that Seagel move to take me down. I have used it to take down high kicks for years since then. Its very effective.
I saw an interview with seagal by Scott Adkins. He talked about how he wanted to do alot of pre war aikijutsu so that's why he's hammer fisting and elbowing everyone in above the law lol
Great video, do please more about Seagal!
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I learned that choke in Judo and I can tell you that pushing the trachea back is totally effective and results are incredibly fast. I won't explain in detail the particulars of how it's done because it's way too dangerous to try in practice or use on someone for real.
What choke is it?
@@H4I2I2EE I don't remember the name of it.
@@DoctorZisIN hadaka-jime. I can confirm that there is no strict need to go for blood flow restriction on this choke.
@@koenstruyve3137 Thanks!
Great video! May i suggest a green screen, or a smaller PIP?
I know its a film and choreographed, but that Steven vs Mike fight just felt cringeworthy, despite Steven possessing good aikido knowledge and experience and him now popping up in my YT feed, I still imagine him as the South Park version
His train fight against Mr Penn / Mercenary Boss character in Under Siege 2 was pretty good too. Would love to see a breakdown of that one 🚆💥
You can't say aikido is inferior when you discount that many moves can be lethal.
You are somewhat wrong about the choke at the end. The one with direct pressure towards the trachea was actually the original way of doing a rear naked choke as it was in Japanese Ju-Jutsu. It wasn’t until Judo emerged that it was changed to a less lethal approach by targeting the arteries instead.
HADAKA JIME need to be studied by him.
Thats wrong, they are different chokes, at least in jiu jitsu they are called mata León (Lion killer, rear naked choke that cuts the blood flow) and mata oso (bear killer, and it's an attack to the tráquea to cut the air flow, not the blood flow)
@@fernandosulantay I’m talking about Japanese Ju-Jutsu, not BJJ… You’re using terms that came muuuuuuuuuuuuch later.
@@madmoonrabbit That’s true. Unless you break the trachea (or the neck) which the technique originally was made for 🙃 I don’t even think I mentioned an air choke, but I understand why you assume I meant that.
@@ricksterdrummer2170 you 'could' break the trachea but even then your opponent can fight for up to 10 minutes. A blood choke is considered a better choke as it is effective almost immediately upon being applied.
Taking out the airway might stop them from breathing, but humans can fight through not breathing, especially if they are trained to. Stopping blood and oxygen from entering the brain can shut down a person in less than 10 seconds. This makes is a more effective choke.
I did Aikido for some years, from 19 until 25 when I got my black belt and I stopped it then. In my opinion the most easy to use and effective technique to use for self defence is the rokkyo. We never see this in movies because the attacker does not do a breakfall and it does not look impressive. How ever it has the huge advantage that it is very easy to apply compared to other aikido techniques. Imagine for example getting attacked by someone who holds a knife or a stick and we have no room to back up and keep distance. The first think that our instinct tells us is to grab the armed arm. Grab it however we can to avoid getting hit by the weapon. Anyway we can grab it is good. On the wrist or higher up the arm, we grab it with undergrip,overgrip, all is ok. Then we just hug all his arm and use our whole mass to drop our bodyweight on opponent's soulder and drop him down. Fast and dynamically. It doesnt even matter if his arm is bent or we keep it straight. No need to try to set him up for some kind of delicate wrist manipulation, which never works in real situations. A Rokkyo type of move can be done just with brute force if needed. I really consider a dynamic Rokkyo the most effective and usefull technique from Aikido.
iwatched it, looks really easy for everyone.
LOL, I’ve never heard of this movie! But a friend of mine, who is a high ranking Karate practitioner and very skilled, trained with Mr. Seagal many years ago (he also choreographed the fight scenes in at least one of Mr. Seagal’s movies) and said that he was very explosive for such big guy. Again, as I have mentioned previously in other of your posts, I think that it is a mistake to try and force an opening for an Aikido technique. It makes much more sense to me to use Aikido techniques as opportunities present themselves. I have done Aikido practice over only a couple of periods over the years so I claim no real expertise. I have much more experience in Karate. I have a number of high ranking Karate friends who have also done Aikido and find it a very helpful addition to their Karate.
Personally I'd like to see your reaction to the second part of the video Jesse released with Steven Seagal. Alot of it feels like a rehash but they did cover other techniques, and had a longer conversation about his philosophy.
I really miss your Aikido content! Hope you find your path...
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Sankyo is a very common technique in various Ju Jutsū styles also. While it's correct that this technique is pretty hard to do on a resisting Uke, manipulating the fingers before entering and while executing Sankyo makes it a lot easier. Binding the fingers into a knot will have Uke tiptoeing in pain already before Sankyo closes the lid.
You can also perform a choke by pressing with the forearm on the glottis with the wrist turned to exterior and twist it towards interior in order to level up the glottis with your first radial muscle and shut the breathing, wich will consequently weaken and ultimately asphyxiate your opponent. In this case, no need to cut the blood circulation on both the arterias, nor lock your forearm with your other hand as the opponent won't be able to unbalance you and allow you to keep pressing on his neck to ensure control.
This technique must be well learned before used as it can easely be lethal and often require resuscitation.
Seagal does take a little bit of damage in Marked for Death, in the final fight scene. Nothing much, but the bad guy did slam Seagal's face into some bottles and glasses on a bar counter, as well as knock Seagal's head back against the wall a couple of times.
Love your videos!
Yes, you are right, Steven uses Wing Chun blocks when he wants to simulate some fast punch exchange. And don't know why Aikido didn't take some parts from Wing Chun? Aikido has no answer to a fast jab from boxing (a punch from the elbow), while Wing Chun has pak sao (the slapping block), which is what Steven uses.
In the same way, there are some blocks like bon sao, that can easily can go into the leverage on the elbow Ikkyo. Or any other double blocks can be used for some grabbing and leverage techniques. Aikido needs any help it can get.
7:17 When filming this scene the actor really hit Seagal and broke his nose. This is probably why he refuses to let his characters take any damage from that point onwards.
I love Nikyo! That aikido move is amazing!
His first and best movie.
Please break down some Lau Kar Leung fight choreography!
I would love to have a commentary followed by a demonstration with a compliant opponent and then a resisting opponent. Too much talk, not enough action!
Good idea
You seriously need to review the Black Belt tests being administered by Steven Seagal.
Enjoyed this
From what I know about Sensing Steven Segal's classes he does extensive pressure testing of his forms and in his classes
The fight scene with Mike Tyson, i think its already been established that neither of them were in the room together for the scene and its stunt doubles.
Props 9.05 showing Wong Shun Leung. Trained WSL wing chun for 4 years.
What I personally think made those early Steven Segal movies so good, was the fact that aikido can be done at 100% without holding back, as long as you havea really good uke, which Segal has. The reason this is a boon to the movie is because you can do the real movements and kinetic impact transfers to the viewer making it feel much more visceral. Now if that was a karate movie, or kick boxing movie or any of that you can't make the real moves because you will hurt the person. So you have to use camera angles and acting to simulate the action. If you watch Chuck Norris movies you will see that his round house kick travels at least 50-60 cm from the guy's face and he acts like he gets hit, and for a good reason. Nobody wants to actually take that hit LOL. Same with Boyka movies and so on. The camera is set in such a way that both actors and the camera are on the same line with the guy being striken in the middle. This way the viewer lacks depth of field and it's really hard to judge the distance so the illusion works. Aikido doesn't need illusion, due to the way it is designed. And this is just my opinion but at the time Segal started to depart from aikido and use more tai-chi / kung fu / karate in his movies they started to get really bad. I'd say around 2006 forward....
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I've never understood why people say "XYZ martial art is for fighting against UNTRAINED attackers." While untrained attackers may be slightly unorthodox in how they move, a trained fighter is way more dangerous, and knowing how to handle yourself against one means even the unorthodox nature of the untrained attacker is no problem.
Rokas you gotta break down the bar fight scene from out for justice. It is a masterpiece.
Will do!
@@MartialArtsJourney also keep an eye out freaking Dan Inosanto is in that scene.
@@XwildXdogX Nice! Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know that
What do you think of Aikidoflow? Theyt train aikido and show techniques that could work for actual self defence. Also I usd to do kung fu and the only way I know to attack the ear is to slightly cup your hand and just slap the ear. This can perforate the ear drum.
You are right when you say the Seagal uses stunt doubles. I saw one of his movies once [I can't recall the title] where a fight scene was shot in very low light conditions, where the actors were mere silhouettes. I saw 'Seagal' perform a jump, spinning heel kick in the style of Jean Claud van Damme. This is when Seagal had already ballooned into that grossly overweight caricature of himself! There was no way that it was him performing the kick!! When aging martial arts actors have to resort to stunt doubles, to my mind, it is a betrayal of not only their own teachers and their martial arts heritage but their fan-base as well. But, I guess the dollar is mightier than their self respect!
That’s Matsuoka sensei ! . He is the first to be uke in that dojo opening scene of that first movie 😊.I miss everyone I knew from the dojo.
Good stuff👍
In 1968 I was the fastest sprinter at Paul Revere Junior High School in Brentwood, California. The coach wanted me to join the track team. He said I would have to cut my hippie hair and I deferred. He said he had never seen anybody run on their toes. Had I run barefoot I would have been faster. When I ran all of my fears would arise and I would outrun them. Steven Seagal, should he choose to catch up with the bad guy, could learn from me. I have nothing to prove but when you are good at something it's alright to say so.
"Executive Decision" (spoilers for this movie) was a movie that was hyped as a movie with Steven Seagal. Then he was only in a few scenes and then got sucked out of an airplane! Lol I don't even think he fought anyone. It may be the only movie he ever died in. It was during a time when Seagals movie roles were getting more far fetched and cheesy as his stomach was getting more far stretched from cheeses! The scene of him being sucked out of the plane was comically amazing! Lol
Haha, I totally forgot about that. Good point. I remember in my childhood years having my mind blown by Steven getting sucked out of the plane. Such a well thought out twist given his image of an undefeatable person
They did that because he assaulted another actor on set (john Leguizamo) after John laughed when Seagal said he was in charge and was the king. So they just killed of his character to get rid of him.
He was also notoriously cruel to stunt doubles. Probably because he got choked out by one once after he told them that do to his navy seal training (that Seagal never had) he was immune to all choke holds. :D
Is that true? Lmao I never knew that... I'm gonna have to look into this!! This just made my day I'm going down a Google rabbit hole on this one lol. I love jucey gossip crap like this such a great distraction when it turns out to be provable fact! Lol do you have any links to share on the John Leguizamo Steven Seagal on set "beef" this is comedy gold!! Lol
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@@spiraleye7822 Probably not true as the person who said it has credibility issues but definitely true that people in Hollywood hated Seagal and were more than happy to repeat it.
Very nice! The MMA guy applying the technique on the ring was awesome! I would love to see more of those! Regarding Seagal, he looks like a very fast and polished fighter in general. Aikido seems effective and I did some similar moves like grabbing the arm and throwing people around when fightning the kids when I was young even though I never practiced any aikido or judo. It worked pretty well on the kids, I'm sure it work's against regular people on the streets. Fightning a boxer or a knife is another story and a pretty brutal one, no martial arts can do it safely.
LoL! 😂😂😂
The ratio of white wall to interesting footage is much better at 9:26 (1/9 vs ~1/4). Please use it more!
Above the law has one of the best intros to a Martial Arts movie ever
That clothesline/lariat looks extremely badass.
We had a guy in the office who happened to be an aikido instructor and I was expressing dubitative views about the opponents being effortlessly thrown away and he explained me that the people were going down by themselves to avoid wrist injury and he asked me to extend my arm and he did sone kote gaeshi and there was a noise of something getting broken somehere in my arm or wrist or hand, and he blamed me for not throwing myself to the floor.
So did it change your opinion?
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Are you okay?
Lol.sorry for laughing because that happened to me when I was the uke for a senior black belt,I wasn’t fast enough
I just realized he compressed his lips when fighting Mike, he was definitely scared of Tyson as you should be, but Sensei Seagal was supposed to be the ultimate master, "Everyone has a plan: until they get punched in the face". 😂 I wonder if Seagal's Aikido would work if he wasn't 1.93 m 🤔
Very interesting yes please do more if you can
Thank you 🙏
I think Randori is much harder than it is made out to be and has too much merit in the street, even as a boxer and Muay Thai practitioner, the way Steven Seagal moves is very useful in the street, if you stand in one spot, you are done in the street, plus his moves are very effective, I've used them twice effectively.
How I would love to see an MMA match between Steven Seagal and Mike Tyson.
I'd love to see an MMA match between Seagal and.... Anyone 🤣 he'd get his arse handed to him on a plate.
Please make more Steven Seagal fight scene breakdowns.
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Great!
You know, I've gotta be honest... even though I have my doubts about Aikido's effectiveness (and am not a person who trains aikido himself)... I still wouldn't mess with Steven Seagal lol
And the more I watch your videos, the more I see that there actually are many Aikido techniques which are potentially effective as well.
I used a similar choke to stop a fight. I only had to apply it for about 2 seconds and the guy who was superior in size gave up. However we were on the ground
Remember atemi, so meaning landing a strike first, then do a technique. Being a K-1 level striker is the way to go, then use bits and pieces of judo or aikido if it's there.
This was cool, learned some new things. One thing though - nobody in China loves that 😂
"Too violent for UA-cam" meanwhile the whole BEGOTTEN movie actually exist on UA-cam.
If you want to understand where sensei Seagals “Aikido” comes from, please check out Kaze no RYU. Particularly the Aikijujutsu videos
It will be interesting to see you training in a video with Steven Seagal
I always suspected that Steven Seagal uses a mixture of Aikido and Wing Chun 😊!
Yes he studied with several Wing Chun teachers, including Samuel Kwok and Randy Williams. He's also trained with Guru Dan Inosanto for decades. You can see his heavy use of Wing Chun since 1996 in "The Glimmer Man" film.
Actually in the movies Seagal use spetznas fight system. Moves are doable but you must be fast enough and athletic enough to do it. In true fight all comes down to how fast are you vs oponent speed. Fight vs Mike Tyson is plausable as well. Oponent can block your choke attempt. So you cant actually squeeze around the neck. Pressing downwards his mouth and head, pulling down your elbow with his hand and lift up his shoulders. So you end up much lower than his throat and neck level.
we called that wrist throw in my school Wrist grab number 1 , it was the first one we learned
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