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What shintaro said for bjj we have it allready in kato pangration . Points for throws and only submission... I was a ref in the greek nationals you cant pull guard , cant sit down .
You can tell Shintaro loves judo but is not a blind zealot. He will point out weaknesses and state which other martial art may address something better.
Objectivity is one of the most important skills to learn for martial artists. Your shit has to do what you intend it to, or you have to tweak it until it does or look for something that does it better.
Shintaro is the son of a Japanese master. His father is a high ranked Judoka, Karateka and Japanese jujitsu master. Shintaro grew up in all 3 arts. He wrestled in college, boxed and is a purple belt in BJJ. So, he has to be honest.
Ellis Amdur had a story from someone who did some randori with Mifune in his later years. He said that in the first 30 seconds he was the most frightening thing even, but if you could last through that 30 seconds you stood a chance against him. His skills was still there but his ability to do sustained power had dissolved with age.
My coach was in Japan with Ben Campbell in the late 40's and did randori with Mifune. My coach was 5'4 and 240lbs. Mifune spanked him up one side of the mat and down the other. I'd have paid to watch him get smoked.
What Mifune demonstrates is how you can block the opponent’s attack by going to the same direction he is trying to throw you. It does not require muscles, only right timing and direction. This is what modern judokas often forget. Defending by directions also enables great counter attacks. I know a judoka (a former olympic athlete actually) who has mastered this style and sparring with him is pretty amazing.
My opinion. Judo was created not as the art of throwing. Throwing is the part of the all which can be used in safety, or this is what they thought. Judo is how to better employ energy, and this is done in an upright posture, which engage less muscles which can be used to stop whichever action, also striking, from the opponent, and to use whichever action. So to do Mifune s judo means that you have to remove from your own judo equation the usage of too much muscles and the idea of struggling. To use muscles and struggling is nowadays modern judo, which is not a self defense idea, but a grappling fighting with rules which excludes some of the points of the judo. In modern judo this is important. In self defense and better employ of energy is not. So you cannot compare modern randori with Mifune s randori. That was meant to get universal fighting skills, and not just grappling throws. Martial arts for sport and safety rules have evolved, as said in the video, so that BJJ is only ground fighting Judo is almost only standing grappling Aikido today is only an unlikely joint locking. If you combine the above today, you don t get an evolution of the old jujutsu where the evolution of the new combination is functional. The specialization has come out from removing other aspects, so to go back from the new versions is impossible. The old JJ was less specialized but into it, all the derivate aspects were grown together, so they were already combined in the right proportions under the pressure of a real self defense. What is valid to judo throwing today, was and wouldn t be valid in a self defense fight. So you should give up to all the requisites that today make a judo throw valid in a judo tournament context. Same thing for BJJ and aikido. THis thing exists? yes, it is the old jujutsu which has been changed just for marketing, sport rules and specializations. TO be good in a single aspects which doesn t put in account the real self defense is exactly what prevents from being holistic well arounded old style jujutsu
@@Eternaprimavera73 Better use of energy is by no means in contradiction with modern judo. That's because human body is still the same as it was a hundred years ago. The judoka I mentioned in my first comment uses this all the time, and despite being not a very large guy, people usually struggle to throw him, because he uses the right directions. If he used pure muscles, he would lose. His students have also been very satisfied with his instructions and said that competing has become much less energy-consuming because of that and they've found opportunities to throw more easily. I've also taught to my child students to going to the same, not the opposite direction of the opponent, and I've seen how bigger children have been amazed when they've been sure they could easily throw a smaller one but the smaller one has just stood their ground. In this way it is possible to find the right time to throw your opponent in a way that the throw feels just like air for both parties, and it is such a rewarding feeling when that happens.
@@joonasvakkilainen2457 unfortuantely even if Kano disagreed with the judo pure muscled direction, the message passed dawn is the muscled poor one. That is why I was speaking about randori. Randori is not throwing dawn at all costs. Randori is a study about balance, posture, not opposing force against force... They can throw as they like, but the point of judo is throwing effortless. There is no push pull in Mifune s judo, because judo is not push pull with the arms, but just by shifting axis and balance. It is easier to use muscles, but the quality attained is lower, and by definition, no judo.
@@Eternaprimavera73 I fully agree and that is actually what I meant and what I was trying to describe. I didn't say that Mifune uses push-pull but that he moves to the same direction - or actually somewhat diagonally - to the same direction as his opponent is going, not resisting with muscles. This kind of movement results in effortless throws, and it is what I have been trying to learn and teach.
@@joonasvakkilainen2457 keep doing it. Otherwise Judo is lost. Your name is nordic. As far as I know there are many good people in japanese martial arts.
As someone who started AAU Wrestling at 9y.o. in 1972, I could not even mention how many rules sets Wrestling’s gone through. And Rule Sets trickle down all the way
Shintaro higashi explains the nuances really well, as someone who is getting into both Judo and Wrestling understanding the differences of competition variations actually makes both sports much more interesting. Thanks for this really appreciated.
Great video. Very informative. I especially loved the format with the demonstrations on the big screen while the two of you discussed things on the smaller screens. Well done. 👍🏽
Great video! If you're interested in learning more about various Judo competition rules, you might consider looking up "Free Style Judo," which isn't very popular from what I understand, but it represents a kind of reaction to a lot of the rule changes.
I used to wrestle. Then I took old style judo. Because of my wrestling, I was able to hang with dudes who had judo years of judo experience. I did get tossed or manhandled at times, but I was also able to utilize better trips, takedowns and even hip throws. The big difference was wearing a Gi. I will admit that judo was more fun and less of a grind than wrestling.
@@kevingonzalez3673 I just mean wrestling with a judoka makes sense, but the idea that your trips and hip throws (something synonymous with judo) were superior says more about the judoka you were sparring with…
Thank you for having Shintaro on, I've followed him for a while and he's definitely a voice of reason as it pertains to Judo and martial arts in general.
Mifune’s students are not trying to beat him up… they are honoring him. To be able to perform with such a master is the ultimate learning experience. What a treasure to have been able to capture that on film. That is a piece of martial history that will be preserved for and eternity 🙏🙏
As a amateur German judo champ I absolutely love this sport and it saved my life 3 times when I got mugged, all three times I didn't get any injuries and the attackers were sent to hospital.
Knowing and comparing the old school techniques with the modern ones shows how it has changed and it does help to incorporate old techniques that are banned in today’s competition because it may come in handy on a self-defense situation
Excellent video, and excellent commentary. By the way, mifune is a legend, and learned directly from Master kano. The footage is light randori of mifune with students
I took a few classes at Shintaro’s father Nobuyoshi’s gym in NYC when I was a kid. I remember Shintaro being super nice and helpful when it came to explaining technique. The gym was under a Buddhist temple, if I remember correctly! Cool place to train.
nice video. shintaro is very down to earth with his approach to judo. very realistic and pretty much doesn't sugar coat anything. seems to know the way the marketplace works and is not trying to hide it. Me personally, I like modern judo pace much more. it's just so much more action and so much more fun to play this game. it's super engaging and very intense. I'm in my late 30s now and after every randori I'm half dead next morning. after bjj class and 3 X 6 minutes rounds of rolling I'm not nearly as tired as I am after solid judo class. much more actio packed in shorted time. to get same level of tiredness out of bjj 2 classes followed by open mat are needed as opposed to judos 1.5hr class and randori. plus even warm up is much more physical and pace if the class is competition oriented
Hi Rokas, thought you would like know - my 1st baby was just born. And by coincidence, I was wearing your "Martial Arts Journey" t-shirt when she arrived!
Wrist twists are underappreciated. I remember playing around with them for fun in light-hearted randori, not competition. And we discovered (Judo friends and I) that if you apply some Ai-kido techniques with Judo mentalityin terms of strength and positioning, then a lot of Ai-Kido stuff is doable if you can really hold the hand and put it close to your body.
I played Judo when I was a child (1962-1965) and then a little when I was in college (1972-1975). Leg picks were not popular back then. In college, one of my teammates (a former wrestler) did a beautiful double leg pick (morote-gare) which was legal at the time- - he got no credit for it. Another former wrestler pushed on the opponent's outstretched hand and got a chui (warning). The two big differences I see are 1) grip-fighting which was definitely not tolerated back then (whether officially or unofficially) and 2) the athleticism of competitors today. I have no doubt that champions of the 60's would not be competitive today, regardless of the rules.
@@MartialArtsJourney A friendly aside, Rokas, it's "scooting." "Scooping" would involve something like a spoon and would be too gross to think about. Having said this, your English is probably better than mine and it's my first language. 😅
It shows how much the rules affect the players' behavior. Miyao sits because he is really, really good at attacking anyone who engages him in this position, they can't pass his guard, and they can't stop him from getting to their back once they engage. The particular rules of that match allow him to sit down and do not require that his opponent engage. That is why the standing guy walked away at some point--he was refusing to engage the sitting Miyao, as Miyao has too much of an advantage and will very likely either grab and attack a leg or get a sweep and 2 points as soon as the guy engages. If this was an MMA fight with strikes and kicks, nobody would sit. Under most common BJJ rules actually neither sitting down without gripping first is allowed nor walking away once someone is on the ground. That reduces the amount of butt scooting but does not eliminate it. There are even rules where they penalize the person who pulls guard as if he got thrown (-2 points), but don't forbid it (i.e. they don't reset but allow the match to continue). Yet, there is a video of a Miyao's fight where he still sits down and pulls guard and doesn't mind to start the fight with -2 points, because he is sure he will sweep and get on top 99% of the time (which will restore the points to even) and take it from there. It saves him the trouble of having to take the other guy down. Still, I fully agree that butt scooting is not very "martial-art-like". Nor is judokas rolling on their bellies at the first sign of trouble on the ground. In BJJ nobody does that and nobody likes to be in turtle. People usually try to go back to guard and to keep fighting rather than rely on the referee to say "mate".
If you enjoyed the buttscooting footage, I'm sure you will enjoy this one: ua-cam.com/video/NJmGviCJfeQ/v-deo.html The same guy 'João Miyao', sits and then proceed to have the absolute time of his life chasing his opponent around the mat for the next minute :'] Buttscooting = The meaning of life.
About Mifune's footage. It's neither cooperative nor a demonstration. It's a specific type of challenge. It's a "only pure technique allowed" fight. Which of course levels the field out, but also makes perfect sense, since those "younger" guys were like 7+ dan black belts, not Olympic judokas. The goal is a better understanding of the technique. There's no doubt some of them were much stronger than Mifune. But in the context of the test/challenge for one of them to try hard, try to muscle his way thru a throw rather than just displaty full mastery of the technique would have been a defeat. All Mifune did was to keep some sort of balance and make it impossible to be thrown with a crystal clean technique. Of course many times all tori had to do was turn it into some kind of makikomi, but that would mean a less than perfect execution. So the point wasn't to throw someone, was to throw someone _effortlessly_.
Some thoughts: First, on the footage of Mifune practicing with much younger students: complete agreement with Shintaro Higashi's comments, and a couple of things to add about the counter techniques he shows. His skill is truly remarkable. Those kinds of counters can be very effective but the rules of modern sport judo discourage this sort of thing, it can be considered passivity which can be ruled against you. The rules mainly encourage attacking judo which discourages this kind of skill from really getting developed further in modern competition. That said its effectiveness is also limited by combinations. Works best when someone goes all in on a single throw and you can anticipate it. If the attacker is able to switch between throws this sort of defensive skill can produce an anticipated reaction in uke which can be countered with another throw attempt, so it can backfire. The modern defensive reaction tends to be more low commitment than this, usually involving switching up grips. Also, speaking of that and about how sport judo has changed, not long ago I watched the footage of judo at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, and I was blown away by some of the finishing skill in executing the throws. It was remarkably clean. But what was also remarkable was the almost complete absence of setups and grip game. It was like watching high level masters competing with a gentlemans agreement to only throw from standard sleeve and collar grip. The grip game we see nowadays, let alone the additional complexity of what we saw in the years leading up to the leg grab ban, was essentially nonexistent. It was apparent to me that they had mastered the art of throwing someone - in an extremely specific situation.
When I was a teen I trained in aikido. One of my instructors was a police officer and DT instructor, with a background in boxing and judo. After class we would have open mat and he'd teach judo. Since then I've trained in striking and judo/grappling arts. Everything I've trained in since I learned from him as 'judo', even some striking.
It's really sad that the spirit and fierceness of the martial art sports get watered down and neutered so corporations will advertise with the Olympics.
I grew up competing in wrestling and judo in the 80’s and 90’s. My dad competed in wrestling and judo in the 60’s and 70’s. It has always seemed weird to me that the IJF had zero problems with wrestlers being judoka for decades but once BJJ started making waves they bent the knee to the IOC.
There is interesting. I am a 2nd Dan in Taekwondo and it saddens me how it has changed so much. 1970's to 19990s...compared to now, is so different. They were fierce, would kick hard, dynamic, fast, great combos and counters. They would uses punches, always have their hands up. Nowadays it looks like foot fencing... Would you consider doing a similar video about TKD?
You are absolutely right. Taekwondo needs to change it's rules. Lowkicks and sweeps should be allowed in competitions. And they should get rid of the chest protection.
I trained a LOT Judo back in the day and i don't know if it was our sensei or something but we trained a lot of groundwork so much so sometimes we spared with the Jujitsu guys on their level. Anyway, i find modern Olympics judo boring is that they want so much action the positioning chess aspect is getting lost imho. The judokas are back on their feet almost as soon as they hit the ground so there isn't even an incentive to throw setting up a submission. All in all i think adapting the ruleset to cater to a less knowledgeable audience is a shoot on the foot because the problem of complex rules aren't the rules themselves but the live commentary unable to explain the moment to moment strategy. I mean, the gymnastics score system is complex and boring to watch if the jurnalist commenting is bad, but if they are good and can explain the ins and outs they it is great to watch. In short, yeah we can streamline some rules when they are dangerous, but ruling out moves for action sake just makes bad ART out of martial arts.
I trained traditional Judo, Seattle Judo dojo which was operated by a Japanese master who interprets what the names of the techniques are and you truly learn the beauty of judo. I also trained college level judo and you learn what getting thrown really really fast means.
Shintaro Higashi broke it down nice. However, I am kind of surprised that you as an Aikido practitioner would find it curious to see Aikido techniques in the old footage. Aikido came from Jujutsu come on dude. Ueshiba was a Jujutsu man.
My father used to teach judo and I started when I was 4 years old. I’m now 37 and judo is completely different now. Leg grabs and the such was something we learned each week. Quite sad seeing the best moves being removed. My dad learned old school judo which even had a couple of kicks and “judo chops” (never showed the class) but this just shows how watered downed. If I were to go to a club now I’d be penalised all the time 😂
Having done a variety of competitions.. If you are a competitor, rule set is everything. That's what you train for. We optimize for what we are being graded on. I can think of some grappling competitions that emphasized takedown points. Which led to a lot of people training for linebacker charges, getting their points and just doing a goofy hold down for 4 minutes. When they have done Zero damage. They're not doing anything but running out the clock. I do stand by judo for self defense, with some caveats. The caveat being someone has to set themselves up for a lot of the throws. But real people do that. And a good hip or shoulder throw, on ground, generally takes the wind out of people. Osoto-Gari is more offensive, especially with a throat grab. But it has a much higher likelihood of doing permanent damage to someone. Which is something to consider for modern practice. Osoto Gari is hard to pull off on trained fighters who are ready. But pretty easy on untrained people. Especially if the Judo person initiates. O GoShi and Ippon are generally the easiest throws against untrained people who initiate. Great video! Thank you!
Kano-shihan originally meant judo as a softer form of jiujitsu to be used as part of children's PE at school, and it saddens me a lot to see so many of the core techniques lost. Judo is definitely better as a spectator sport now than before, but as a martial art and a self defense tool, it's lost hugely. I know people always say they practise all techniques, not just competition ones, but it's more like 95% of competition techniques and 5% other. It's been ages since I've even tried a sukui-nage or a kata-guruma, not to mention gotten thrown with them. They also took out so much more than just leg grabbing. You can't lock or strangle standing up, you can't throw with a locked joint, several techniques were even removed because some high-profile Japanese practitioners lost in international competitions to those techniques, I kid you not. Just see the history of kani-basami and kawazu-gake.
When I was little during nevasa I unintentionally got in a position where i could do a leg lock so i tried it. I always think back to that moment when someone from a different sport easily gets leg locks on me because I never learned to instinctively protect my legs from it
When I did Judo as a kid we could do leg grabs and arm roles, two of my favourite categories of move. I don't think I could actually do Judo anymore :-(
@@reigninblood123 If you're in a turtle position with your head facing your opponent and he makes the mistake of putting his arms between your legs and your arms. You lock the arm(s) and bridge. Probably the move which was my most consistent groundwork wins. I think they were removed from competition in the late nineties.
@@bombastikderteutone6858 Well, I'm not as young as I used to be (although not dead yet), but some key elements of my Judo game are now not allowed. I'd say 70% of my standing points came from Dropping Ippon Seoi Nage, which is still allowed, but 20% probably came from leg grabs (no longer allowed). Likewise, from my ground game, 60% of my points came from arm rolls (also no longer allowed). When I got an arm roll, it was usually what won me the match.
Funny. I did Judo in the early 1980s, well into 90s before university and work. I came back for fitness and was shocked. The rules completely changed the sport. I wasn't competing, so I didn't care, but what was really bad is how those 20s and 30s would just assume that match would stop and how far removed from self-defense it was. Rules always effected that and you really had to think how moves might be applied in the real world (no gi, hurting people, etc.) but it became so far removed from reality that it wasn't funny. In my day, you could train for competitions and didn't develop too many bad habits for self-defense. Today, they assume if you hold guard that folks with stand you, leg grabs are out, lots of techniques are out (and they have zero defense against, etc.) Even as out of shape as I was for a good six months, if "rules" weren't used, I could easily hold my own on the ground. It was sad.
It's funny that people make fun of BJJ as boring but there are plenty of medalists in judo grand prix and grand slams who won the majority of their matches by gripping in the right places, keeping their feet in bounds, and doing enough half-hearted attacks in a row to win by hansoku make. It was especially bad in 2018-2019
I find it hilarious that judo has kept down groundwork, and banned leg grabs, to make it more "interesting". Then BJJ comes along, pretty much all they do is ne-waza, and the majority of throws are single or double leg takedowns, and takes over the martial arts world becomes the fastest growing martial art. Makes it look like the judo overlords did it all wrong!
100% agree my dad is 91 when he competed they use to fill arenas with spectators today only relatives loll in his time an ippon was spectacular, today more action but less impressive throws , not always but often...they had more ne-waza too, less weight classes... i competed in the 80s and 90s already too many stupid rules and hard to do ground work..and now some ippons are barely yukos, not for nothing we are not respected in the martial art community anymore...small throws that would not hurt in a real fight and no submissions, they took away all out teeth
@@robl1616 Anyone who doesn't respect judo is because they just want to fight on the mat... because if they are thrown, nothing will happen because they will fall on the soft mat. He wanted to see who would want to fight a judoka on top of a concrete street.
"fastest-growing martial art"? It's a sport, not a martial art. You train to fight in a ring or in the safety of a classroom. If you try groundwork in a street fight, your opponent's friends will kick and stab you.
how does it look like "the judo overlords did it all wrong"? They banned leg grabs and kept down groundwork to make it more spectator friendly. Not Judoka friendly How many guys are really watching BJJ Matches , apart from BJJ Guys? The major audience just sees 2 People rolling around the floor - were eventually one guy taps out In Judo they see 2 people grip fighting - but then eventually they see the big throw and go all uhhh and ahhh So in that way - Judo overlords did the perfect job
@@ricardokerscher 100% true but in the days when judoka practiced throws with bigger amplitude what you say would be even more true, a throw would kill then...not saying now would not hurt, just saying was more powerful before, now just roll on back and its ippon
Shintaro is like the laid back jog who was very good in every sport in school who went to business school and got very eloquent. You still feel the meat head energy but he know what he is talking about and is very good at it.
Pretty sure he also went to teacher’s college. Just being high energy and a physical beast doesn’t make you a “jock” or a “meathead”, he’s a very intelligent and well considered guy
I've been tossed around by one of those 80yr old men, they can still do it! Mifune was amazing, never missing a day of training over 54 years! They are the ones that teach you the essence of the arts
I trained 15-20 years ago and have since branched into other martial arts. I can say from my experience, the old school judo I was learning was more effective as a martial art from what I have seen today as there were not as many limitations on techniques and we would learn things weapons defence or reality applicable techniques which I dont see as often now.
I supposed judo with leg grabs does look a whole lot like wrestling but, as a wrestler, I’m totally ok with that lol. I love seeing the big throws of judo. I wish they’d implement a Ippon only title or championship. No points only pins and submissions.
Grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood. As a kid I was small and weak, my mom put me on judo and after a few years of training I managed to take down any kid on the block who messed with me, even small groups. So if anyone ever doubts judo as a valid self defense skill, they can kiss my ass. - brown belt
I mean any kind of full contact grappling is great in a 1 on 1 (still effective with more than one opponent but you have to understand what to do while staying standing at all costs) fight where a hard surface is involved. Everything's all fun and games until you get dropped on your back/head on the concrete. My friend was a Judoka with some really mediocre striking. He got jumped by two guys, who managed to punch him in the face repeatedly, until he got ahold of one and planted the unfortunate guy face first into the concrete shattering his cheek and jaw while also putting him out cold. The other attacker obviously ran away at that point. If you have a solid surface to use as an impact multiplier, and an understanding of how to people headfirst into it, you can be really dangerous.
Straight ankle, half crab, Boston crab, calf slicer, toe hold, and knee bar were all in judo back in the day. Heel hook was not but a judoka (takeo Yano)who had learned it was responsible for bringing it to Brazil
Huge Catch Wrestling influence on Brazilian grappling, in fact during a long time the Luta Livre Brasileira guys would be the specialists on leg locks instead of BJJ for this reason, more catch wrestling in LLB than in BJJ, as the father of Luta Livre, Tatu, was a catch wrestlers student. George Gracie was a Catch wrestling champion, and learned from the catch wrestling Dudu, and won against Takeo Yano by a leg lock, while Yano was running away from him on the ground and trying to win by points for take downs. Yano also fought against the father of Luta Livre Brasileira Tatu, 3 times, losing the 2 no gi, and winning the only one in the gi by tiring Tatu out with grip fighting.
When I was a white Belt in Tae Kwon Do in the early 80's My instructor Master Park was from Korea, his training was brutal and we left the dojang totally exhausted and our Gi's completely wet and dripping from sweat so bad it looked like we jumped into a swimming pool. Over the years as American Instructors took over the classes got easier and easier. When I became Sabom'nim the training went back to when Master Park was in charge and I quickly got challenged by parents and the local establishment so bad in fact I went into Private teaching.. I'm here to say that Training has a huge role in the skill of the art and the readiness for a defensive situation. If you don't train hard you won't be hard, of course there is respect and love that goes into training along with a sense of leadership and responsibility with abdominal spirit, courtesy, self control, integrity and perseverance.
The thing that amazes me about that Kyuzo Mifune video, which was done in his seventies if I recall, was that the student IS actually trying to throw him. He's probably not going 100%, yeah, but the fact that it's not just a student letting his master pretend to beat him up like they're a no-touch mcdojo IS amazing, at that age.
I mean if they wanted to they could have rag dolled the old dude, like have you ever trained with smaller people? Throwing them is easy even with bad technique, especially when you have them up in the air like that already
@@Oldhandlewasabitcringe I think just setting him down after he's up in the air like that is part of the dude going a bit slow for the old man. If you can prove you can get the dude that far in the air, there's really no need to follow through and slam him.
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Was gonna research Ronda Rousey's judo content but this works brilliantly as well. Thanks for posting!
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What shintaro said for bjj we have it allready in kato pangration . Points for throws and only submission... I was a ref in the greek nationals you cant pull guard , cant sit down
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You can tell Shintaro loves judo but is not a blind zealot. He will point out weaknesses and state which other martial art may address something better.
Unlike aikido practitioners
@@prandz420 unlike purists of any style*
Objectivity is one of the most important skills to learn for martial artists. Your shit has to do what you intend it to, or you have to tweak it until it does or look for something that does it better.
Shintaro is the son of a Japanese master. His father is a high ranked Judoka, Karateka and Japanese jujitsu master. Shintaro grew up in all 3 arts. He wrestled in college, boxed and is a purple belt in BJJ. So, he has to be honest.
@@jopalo31675 Ty for the info
old school taekwondo and now I found out about old school judo..just wow, thanks for everyone sharing rare footages
There are a few old Judo/Ju Jutsu books in English that are in the public domain.
Fortunately, Taekwondo ITF still rock 🔥💪🏻🥋
Ellis Amdur had a story from someone who did some randori with Mifune in his later years. He said that in the first 30 seconds he was the most frightening thing even, but if you could last through that 30 seconds you stood a chance against him. His skills was still there but his ability to do sustained power had dissolved with age.
Amdur Sensei's kiai is simple terrifying, but a very nice man to meet.
@@milty66 indeed
@@milty66 His books on psychology and de-escalation of violence are absolutely superb to read
My coach was in Japan with Ben Campbell in the late 40's and did randori with Mifune. My coach was 5'4 and 240lbs. Mifune spanked him up one side of the mat and down the other. I'd have paid to watch him get smoked.
What Mifune demonstrates is how you can block the opponent’s attack by going to the same direction he is trying to throw you. It does not require muscles, only right timing and direction. This is what modern judokas often forget. Defending by directions also enables great counter attacks. I know a judoka (a former olympic athlete actually) who has mastered this style and sparring with him is pretty amazing.
My opinion.
Judo was created not as the art of throwing. Throwing is the part of the all which can be used in safety, or this is what they thought.
Judo is how to better employ energy, and this is done in an upright posture, which engage less muscles which can be used to stop whichever action, also striking, from the opponent, and to use whichever action.
So to do Mifune s judo means that you have to remove from your own judo equation the usage of too much muscles and the idea of struggling.
To use muscles and struggling is nowadays modern judo, which is not a self defense idea, but a grappling fighting with rules which excludes some of the points of the judo.
In modern judo this is important. In self defense and better employ of energy is not.
So you cannot compare modern randori with Mifune s randori.
That was meant to get universal fighting skills, and not just grappling throws.
Martial arts for sport and safety rules have evolved, as said in the video, so that
BJJ is only ground fighting
Judo is almost only standing grappling
Aikido today is only an unlikely joint locking.
If you combine the above today, you don t get an evolution of the old jujutsu where the evolution of the new combination is functional.
The specialization has come out from removing other aspects, so to go back from the new versions is impossible.
The old JJ was less specialized but into it, all the derivate aspects were grown together, so they were already combined in the right proportions under the pressure of a real self defense.
What is valid to judo throwing today, was and wouldn t be valid in a self defense fight. So you should give up to all the requisites that today make a judo throw valid in a judo tournament context.
Same thing for BJJ and aikido.
THis thing exists? yes, it is the old jujutsu which has been changed just for marketing, sport rules and specializations.
TO be good in a single aspects which doesn t put in account the real self defense is exactly what prevents from being holistic well arounded old style jujutsu
@@Eternaprimavera73 Better use of energy is by no means in contradiction with modern judo. That's because human body is still the same as it was a hundred years ago. The judoka I mentioned in my first comment uses this all the time, and despite being not a very large guy, people usually struggle to throw him, because he uses the right directions. If he used pure muscles, he would lose. His students have also been very satisfied with his instructions and said that competing has become much less energy-consuming because of that and they've found opportunities to throw more easily. I've also taught to my child students to going to the same, not the opposite direction of the opponent, and I've seen how bigger children have been amazed when they've been sure they could easily throw a smaller one but the smaller one has just stood their ground. In this way it is possible to find the right time to throw your opponent in a way that the throw feels just like air for both parties, and it is such a rewarding feeling when that happens.
@@joonasvakkilainen2457 unfortuantely even if Kano disagreed with the judo pure muscled direction, the message passed dawn is the muscled poor one.
That is why I was speaking about randori. Randori is not throwing dawn at all costs. Randori is a study about balance, posture, not opposing force against force...
They can throw as they like, but the point of judo is throwing effortless. There is no push pull in Mifune s judo, because judo is not push pull with the arms, but just by shifting axis and balance.
It is easier to use muscles, but the quality attained is lower, and by definition, no judo.
@@Eternaprimavera73 I fully agree and that is actually what I meant and what I was trying to describe. I didn't say that Mifune uses push-pull but that he moves to the same direction - or actually somewhat diagonally - to the same direction as his opponent is going, not resisting with muscles. This kind of movement results in effortless throws, and it is what I have been trying to learn and teach.
@@joonasvakkilainen2457 keep doing it.
Otherwise Judo is lost.
Your name is nordic. As far as I know there are many good people in japanese martial arts.
Loving this colab with Shintaro. Really broadens your perspective on what judo is as a complete system
Judo is not a complete system. Wow.
@@Qunyc1985 it is
I love how honest Shintaro is about Kyuzo Mifune (and everything else). Great, no-BS guy!
Also, super nice to hear a mention of Japanese Jujitsu. It's a great system
Really believe if you play long and work on balance it would feel more natural for body type. Judo and karate would help you in that direction.
@@blitzthekraken9832 I don't get how your comment is related. Was this meant for someone else?
You want to let it chill in the fridge for at least two hours before serving.
(As relevant as above comment)
Yes it is. its the forefather of Judo after all ^^
@@blitzthekraken9832 I agree there should be taco mondays
As someone who started AAU Wrestling at 9y.o. in 1972, I could not even mention how many rules sets Wrestling’s gone through. And Rule Sets trickle down all the way
Shintaro higashi explains the nuances really well, as someone who is getting into both Judo and Wrestling understanding the differences of competition variations actually makes both sports much more interesting. Thanks for this really appreciated.
Great video. Very informative. I especially loved the format with the demonstrations on the big screen while the two of you discussed things on the smaller screens. Well done. 👍🏽
Thank you!
Agreeee!
Thank you Roka for producing a great interview with a true Judo master.
Great video! If you're interested in learning more about various Judo competition rules, you might consider looking up "Free Style Judo," which isn't very popular from what I understand, but it represents a kind of reaction to a lot of the rule changes.
There's a guy on youtube called Samson Samson who has a club in the UK who teaches and has his guys compete in these rules.
I used to wrestle. Then I took old style judo. Because of my wrestling, I was able to hang with dudes who had judo years of judo experience. I did get tossed or manhandled at times, but I was also able to utilize better trips, takedowns and even hip throws. The big difference was wearing a Gi. I will admit that judo was more fun and less of a grind than wrestling.
you were able to utilize better trips than judokas?
Sounds more reflective of bad judoka than your skill…
@@joeboonmusic4004 why are u bad at judo
@@kevingonzalez3673 I just mean wrestling with a judoka makes sense, but the idea that your trips and hip throws (something synonymous with judo) were superior says more about the judoka you were sparring with…
@@joeboonmusic4004 so true so true
Great video. I like how he explains sport vs martial art and each has its own goal.
Helio is not rolling with "someone". He is rolling with his legend son, Rickson man...
Good interview!
"rolling"...
... and in his day Rolls Gracie was even better than Rickson.
Thank you for having Shintaro on, I've followed him for a while and he's definitely a voice of reason as it pertains to Judo and martial arts in general.
Mifune’s students are not trying to beat him up… they are honoring him. To be able to perform with such a master is the ultimate learning experience. What a treasure to have been able to capture that on film. That is a piece of martial history that will be preserved for and eternity 🙏🙏
Great interview. Thank you for sharing
This is awesome!! I’m so glad you’re talking about Judo
That was a great video! I had no idea that it was the IOC that pushed for the removal of leg grabs. I love it when I learn something
Thanks 🙏
As a amateur German judo champ I absolutely love this sport and it saved my life 3 times when I got mugged, all three times I didn't get any injuries and the attackers were sent to hospital.
Knowing and comparing the old school techniques with the modern ones shows how it has changed and it does help to incorporate old techniques that are banned in today’s competition because it may come in handy on a self-defense situation
how?
Great nuanced content, thank you!
Awesome video and to get shintaro who is a very open minded judoka give his opinion on both is pretty cool
i love shintaro! so great to see you guys making a video together, keep it up!
Man, this is a great channel ---discovered it yesterday! Thanks for the excellent videos!!
Thanks Ismael! Glad to hear it!
Great insight. Karate (wkf) often follows Judos lead when it comes to changing rule sets. Karate has simplified penalties and scoring rules
Excellent video, and excellent commentary. By the way, mifune is a legend, and learned directly from Master kano. The footage is light randori of mifune with students
I took a few classes at Shintaro’s father Nobuyoshi’s gym in NYC when I was a kid. I remember Shintaro being super nice and helpful when it came to explaining technique. The gym was under a Buddhist temple, if I remember correctly! Cool place to train.
it was very interesting explanation. thanks
that is why kendo refused to become olympic sports
great inside and comparison from Shintaro !!!
Who knew Maui is a Judo expert! Great video!
nice video. shintaro is very down to earth with his approach to judo. very realistic and pretty much doesn't sugar coat anything. seems to know the way the marketplace works and is not trying to hide it. Me personally, I like modern judo pace much more. it's just so much more action and so much more fun to play this game. it's super engaging and very intense. I'm in my late 30s now and after every randori I'm half dead next morning. after bjj class and 3 X 6 minutes rounds of rolling I'm not nearly as tired as I am after solid judo class. much more actio packed in shorted time. to get same level of tiredness out of bjj 2 classes followed by open mat are needed as opposed to judos 1.5hr class and randori. plus even warm up is much more physical and pace if the class is competition oriented
Great video guys!
Shintaro has S-Tier charisma and speaking skills. Would love to have him in commentary booth for major grappling events.
Hi Rokas, thought you would like know - my 1st baby was just born. And by coincidence, I was wearing your "Martial Arts Journey" t-shirt when she arrived!
Wow! That's sooo cool!!! Thank you for sharing. Wish you all the best with this cool new chapter of your life!
Greco Roman wrestling bans leg grabs too.
I loved watching every second of this video!
Happy to hear it!
Wrist twists are underappreciated. I remember playing around with them for fun in light-hearted randori, not competition. And we discovered (Judo friends and I) that if you apply some Ai-kido techniques with Judo mentalityin terms of strength and positioning, then a lot of Ai-Kido stuff is doable if you can really hold the hand and put it close to your body.
I played Judo when I was a child (1962-1965) and then a little when I was in college (1972-1975). Leg picks were not popular back then. In college, one of my teammates (a former wrestler) did a beautiful double leg pick (morote-gare) which was legal at the time- - he got no credit for it. Another former wrestler pushed on the opponent's outstretched hand and got a chui (warning). The two big differences I see are 1) grip-fighting which was definitely not tolerated back then (whether officially or unofficially) and 2) the athleticism of competitors today. I have no doubt that champions of the 60's would not be competitive today, regardless of the rules.
That BJJ match footage was hilarious.
The butt scooping? 😃 I love that footage!
I really like the suggestions for better Brazilian rules.
@@MartialArtsJourney A friendly aside, Rokas, it's "scooting." "Scooping" would involve something like a spoon and would be too gross to think about.
Having said this, your English is probably better than mine and it's my first language. 😅
It shows how much the rules affect the players' behavior. Miyao sits because he is really, really good at attacking anyone who engages him in this position, they can't pass his guard, and they can't stop him from getting to their back once they engage. The particular rules of that match allow him to sit down and do not require that his opponent engage. That is why the standing guy walked away at some point--he was refusing to engage the sitting Miyao, as Miyao has too much of an advantage and will very likely either grab and attack a leg or get a sweep and 2 points as soon as the guy engages. If this was an MMA fight with strikes and kicks, nobody would sit. Under most common BJJ rules actually neither sitting down without gripping first is allowed nor walking away once someone is on the ground. That reduces the amount of butt scooting but does not eliminate it. There are even rules where they penalize the person who pulls guard as if he got thrown (-2 points), but don't forbid it (i.e. they don't reset but allow the match to continue). Yet, there is a video of a Miyao's fight where he still sits down and pulls guard and doesn't mind to start the fight with -2 points, because he is sure he will sweep and get on top 99% of the time (which will restore the points to even) and take it from there. It saves him the trouble of having to take the other guy down.
Still, I fully agree that butt scooting is not very "martial-art-like". Nor is judokas rolling on their bellies at the first sign of trouble on the ground. In BJJ nobody does that and nobody likes to be in turtle. People usually try to go back to guard and to keep fighting rather than rely on the referee to say "mate".
If you enjoyed the buttscooting footage, I'm sure you will enjoy this one: ua-cam.com/video/NJmGviCJfeQ/v-deo.html
The same guy 'João Miyao', sits and then proceed to have the absolute time of his life chasing his opponent around the mat for the next minute :']
Buttscooting = The meaning of life.
Yeah I'm sure it was just more rough and harder to perform great vid man!
"spectator friendly". That is the death of every martial art
why?
About Mifune's footage.
It's neither cooperative nor a demonstration. It's a specific type of challenge. It's a "only pure technique allowed" fight. Which of course levels the field out, but also makes perfect sense, since those "younger" guys were like 7+ dan black belts, not Olympic judokas. The goal is a better understanding of the technique.
There's no doubt some of them were much stronger than Mifune. But in the context of the test/challenge for one of them to try hard, try to muscle his way thru a throw rather than just displaty full mastery of the technique would have been a defeat. All Mifune did was to keep some sort of balance and make it impossible to be thrown with a crystal clean technique. Of course many times all tori had to do was turn it into some kind of makikomi, but that would mean a less than perfect execution.
So the point wasn't to throw someone, was to throw someone _effortlessly_.
Some thoughts: First, on the footage of Mifune practicing with much younger students: complete agreement with Shintaro Higashi's comments, and a couple of things to add about the counter techniques he shows. His skill is truly remarkable. Those kinds of counters can be very effective but the rules of modern sport judo discourage this sort of thing, it can be considered passivity which can be ruled against you. The rules mainly encourage attacking judo which discourages this kind of skill from really getting developed further in modern competition. That said its effectiveness is also limited by combinations. Works best when someone goes all in on a single throw and you can anticipate it. If the attacker is able to switch between throws this sort of defensive skill can produce an anticipated reaction in uke which can be countered with another throw attempt, so it can backfire. The modern defensive reaction tends to be more low commitment than this, usually involving switching up grips.
Also, speaking of that and about how sport judo has changed, not long ago I watched the footage of judo at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, and I was blown away by some of the finishing skill in executing the throws. It was remarkably clean. But what was also remarkable was the almost complete absence of setups and grip game. It was like watching high level masters competing with a gentlemans agreement to only throw from standard sleeve and collar grip. The grip game we see nowadays, let alone the additional complexity of what we saw in the years leading up to the leg grab ban, was essentially nonexistent. It was apparent to me that they had mastered the art of throwing someone - in an extremely specific situation.
Thanks for explaining this
Great, great video! TY, Rokas! As a suggestion, I would like to know more about "Kosen Judo" and Shitaro's thoughts about it.
When I was a teen I trained in aikido. One of my instructors was a police officer and DT instructor, with a background in boxing and judo. After class we would have open mat and he'd teach judo. Since then I've trained in striking and judo/grappling arts. Everything I've trained in since I learned from him as 'judo', even some striking.
The Olympics and its consequences have been a disaster for the martial arts.
It's really sad that the spirit and fierceness of the martial art sports get watered down and neutered so corporations will advertise with the Olympics.
Great description.
I really enjoy watching Shintaro's videos.
Excellent discussion
I grew up competing in wrestling and judo in the 80’s and 90’s. My dad competed in wrestling and judo in the 60’s and 70’s. It has always seemed weird to me that the IJF had zero problems with wrestlers being judoka for decades but once BJJ started making waves they bent the knee to the IOC.
we competed same years, Canada or USA? my dad competed 50s until early 70s in Montreal
@@robl1616 USA, I competed all around SoCal growing up but as a young adult I was all over the place.
There is interesting. I am a 2nd Dan in Taekwondo and it saddens me how it has changed so much. 1970's to 19990s...compared to now, is so different. They were fierce, would kick hard, dynamic, fast, great combos and counters. They would uses punches, always have their hands up. Nowadays it looks like foot fencing... Would you consider doing a similar video about TKD?
You are absolutely right. Taekwondo needs to change it's rules.
Lowkicks and sweeps should be allowed in competitions. And they should get rid of the chest protection.
I trained a LOT Judo back in the day and i don't know if it was our sensei or something but we trained a lot of groundwork so much so sometimes we spared with the Jujitsu guys on their level. Anyway, i find modern Olympics judo boring is that they want so much action the positioning chess aspect is getting lost imho. The judokas are back on their feet almost as soon as they hit the ground so there isn't even an incentive to throw setting up a submission. All in all i think adapting the ruleset to cater to a less knowledgeable audience is a shoot on the foot because the problem of complex rules aren't the rules themselves but the live commentary unable to explain the moment to moment strategy. I mean, the gymnastics score system is complex and boring to watch if the jurnalist commenting is bad, but if they are good and can explain the ins and outs they it is great to watch.
In short, yeah we can streamline some rules when they are dangerous, but ruling out moves for action sake just makes bad ART out of martial arts.
I'm really diggin that thumbnail...
Thanks! Really glad to hear it!
Wow!
The differences of old school and new school Judo are small, but also important!
I trained traditional Judo, Seattle Judo dojo which was operated by a Japanese master who interprets what the names of the techniques are and you truly learn the beauty of judo. I also trained college level judo and you learn what getting thrown really really fast means.
Alot of that stuff with throws that aren't allowed are used in BJJ in some gyms we regularly train slot of those throws
Shintaro is amazing. Love a realistic breakdown of flaws in styles
Shintaro Higashi broke it down nice. However, I am kind of surprised that you as an Aikido practitioner would find it curious to see Aikido techniques in the old footage. Aikido came from Jujutsu come on dude. Ueshiba was a Jujutsu man.
I've read it that joint looks were limited to the elbow only in 1925. It's makes sense, since there were no knee cirguries back then.
I want more with Shintaro!!!
That BJJ tournament footage was hilarious.
Thank you 🙏
My father used to teach judo and I started when I was 4 years old. I’m now 37 and judo is completely different now.
Leg grabs and the such was something we learned each week. Quite sad seeing the best moves being removed. My dad learned old school judo which even had a couple of kicks and “judo chops” (never showed the class) but this just shows how watered downed.
If I were to go to a club now I’d be penalised all the time 😂
Excellent!!!
Having done a variety of competitions.. If you are a competitor, rule set is everything. That's what you train for.
We optimize for what we are being graded on. I can think of some grappling competitions that emphasized takedown points. Which led to a lot of people training for linebacker charges, getting their points and just doing a goofy hold down for 4 minutes. When they have done Zero damage. They're not doing anything but running out the clock.
I do stand by judo for self defense, with some caveats.
The caveat being someone has to set themselves up for a lot of the throws. But real people do that. And a good hip or shoulder throw, on ground, generally takes the wind out of people.
Osoto-Gari is more offensive, especially with a throat grab. But it has a much higher likelihood of doing permanent damage to someone.
Which is something to consider for modern practice.
Osoto Gari is hard to pull off on trained fighters who are ready. But pretty easy on untrained people. Especially if the Judo person initiates.
O GoShi and Ippon are generally the easiest throws against untrained people who initiate.
Great video! Thank you!
Kano-shihan originally meant judo as a softer form of jiujitsu to be used as part of children's PE at school, and it saddens me a lot to see so many of the core techniques lost. Judo is definitely better as a spectator sport now than before, but as a martial art and a self defense tool, it's lost hugely. I know people always say they practise all techniques, not just competition ones, but it's more like 95% of competition techniques and 5% other. It's been ages since I've even tried a sukui-nage or a kata-guruma, not to mention gotten thrown with them. They also took out so much more than just leg grabbing. You can't lock or strangle standing up, you can't throw with a locked joint, several techniques were even removed because some high-profile Japanese practitioners lost in international competitions to those techniques, I kid you not. Just see the history of kani-basami and kawazu-gake.
Nice talk. thanks
I love this channel
When I was little during nevasa I unintentionally got in a position where i could do a leg lock so i tried it. I always think back to that moment when someone from a different sport easily gets leg locks on me because I never learned to instinctively protect my legs from it
When I did Judo as a kid we could do leg grabs and arm roles, two of my favourite categories of move. I don't think I could actually do Judo anymore :-(
what's an arm roll?
@@reigninblood123 If you're in a turtle position with your head facing your opponent and he makes the mistake of putting his arms between your legs and your arms. You lock the arm(s) and bridge. Probably the move which was my most consistent groundwork wins. I think they were removed from competition in the late nineties.
why do you think that?
Because your too old, or because of the rules
@@bombastikderteutone6858 Well, I'm not as young as I used to be (although not dead yet), but some key elements of my Judo game are now not allowed.
I'd say 70% of my standing points came from Dropping Ippon Seoi Nage, which is still allowed, but 20% probably came from leg grabs (no longer allowed).
Likewise, from my ground game, 60% of my points came from arm rolls (also no longer allowed). When I got an arm roll, it was usually what won me the match.
Well koryu jujutsu was pretty wild and it usually ended with someone having a tanto jabbed on their throat
Funny. I did Judo in the early 1980s, well into 90s before university and work. I came back for fitness and was shocked. The rules completely changed the sport. I wasn't competing, so I didn't care, but what was really bad is how those 20s and 30s would just assume that match would stop and how far removed from self-defense it was. Rules always effected that and you really had to think how moves might be applied in the real world (no gi, hurting people, etc.) but it became so far removed from reality that it wasn't funny. In my day, you could train for competitions and didn't develop too many bad habits for self-defense. Today, they assume if you hold guard that folks with stand you, leg grabs are out, lots of techniques are out (and they have zero defense against, etc.)
Even as out of shape as I was for a good six months, if "rules" weren't used, I could easily hold my own on the ground. It was sad.
It's funny that people make fun of BJJ as boring but there are plenty of medalists in judo grand prix and grand slams who won the majority of their matches by gripping in the right places, keeping their feet in bounds, and doing enough half-hearted attacks in a row to win by hansoku make. It was especially bad in 2018-2019
It's interesting that Sambo is expected in the next Olympics. Let's see what happens to leg grabs.
can we just induct Shintaro into the International Olympic Committee
😁
Marvel NEEDS to cast Shintaro for the next Shang Chi movie ASAP!!
I find it hilarious that judo has kept down groundwork, and banned leg grabs, to make it more "interesting". Then BJJ comes along, pretty much all they do is ne-waza, and the majority of throws are single or double leg takedowns, and takes over the martial arts world becomes the fastest growing martial art. Makes it look like the judo overlords did it all wrong!
100% agree my dad is 91 when he competed they use to fill arenas with spectators today only relatives loll in his time an ippon was spectacular, today more action but less impressive throws , not always but often...they had more ne-waza too, less weight classes... i competed in the 80s and 90s already too many stupid rules and hard to do ground work..and now some ippons are barely yukos, not for nothing we are not respected in the martial art community anymore...small throws that would not hurt in a real fight and no submissions, they took away all out teeth
@@robl1616 Anyone who doesn't respect judo is because they just want to fight on the mat... because if they are thrown, nothing will happen because they will fall on the soft mat. He wanted to see who would want to fight a judoka on top of a concrete street.
"fastest-growing martial art"? It's a sport, not a martial art. You train to fight in a ring or in the safety of a classroom. If you try groundwork in a street fight, your opponent's friends will kick and stab you.
how does it look like "the judo overlords did it all wrong"?
They banned leg grabs and kept down groundwork to make it more spectator friendly.
Not Judoka friendly
How many guys are really watching BJJ Matches , apart from BJJ Guys?
The major audience just sees 2 People rolling around the floor - were eventually one guy taps out
In Judo they see 2 people grip fighting - but then eventually they see the big throw and go all uhhh and ahhh
So in that way - Judo overlords did the perfect job
@@ricardokerscher 100% true but in the days when judoka practiced throws with bigger amplitude what you say would be even more true, a throw would kill then...not saying now would not hurt, just saying was more powerful before, now just roll on back and its ippon
Shintaro is like the laid back jog who was very good in every sport in school who went to business school and got very eloquent. You still feel the meat head energy but he know what he is talking about and is very good at it.
You mean 'jock'?
Pretty sure he also went to teacher’s college. Just being high energy and a physical beast doesn’t make you a “jock” or a “meathead”, he’s a very intelligent and well considered guy
@@Malaestro Yeah he said so in a video. He did a MBA or sth like that i think.
in all honesty the whole MA Business is full of meat heads and shintaro is not one of them
A randori with abe uta will be great 👍🏻
Judo is the only martial art that will never get worse, simply because it can't be simplified or adapted, it's too rigid for that
This is great .
I've been tossed around by one of those 80yr old men, they can still do it! Mifune was amazing, never missing a day of training over 54 years! They are the ones that teach you the essence of the arts
ON that ground game, man!
I trained under Kodokan in Brazil and we had days with ne-waza only randori with bjj guys.
I trained 15-20 years ago and have since branched into other martial arts. I can say from my experience, the old school judo I was learning was more effective as a martial art from what I have seen today as there were not as many limitations on techniques and we would learn things weapons defence or reality applicable techniques which I dont see as often now.
what limitations exactly are bothering you?
I supposed judo with leg grabs does look a whole lot like wrestling but, as a wrestler, I’m totally ok with that lol. I love seeing the big throws of judo. I wish they’d implement a Ippon only title or championship. No points only pins and submissions.
Grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood. As a kid I was small and weak, my mom put me on judo and after a few years of training I managed to take down any kid on the block who messed with me, even small groups. So if anyone ever doubts judo as a valid self defense skill, they can kiss my ass.
- brown belt
training a full contact MA is a big plus in a self defense situation :)
I mean any kind of full contact grappling is great in a 1 on 1 (still effective with more than one opponent but you have to understand what to do while staying standing at all costs) fight where a hard surface is involved. Everything's all fun and games until you get dropped on your back/head on the concrete.
My friend was a Judoka with some really mediocre striking. He got jumped by two guys, who managed to punch him in the face repeatedly, until he got ahold of one and planted the unfortunate guy face first into the concrete shattering his cheek and jaw while also putting him out cold. The other attacker obviously ran away at that point.
If you have a solid surface to use as an impact multiplier, and an understanding of how to people headfirst into it, you can be really dangerous.
Ive never met anyone that doubts its effectiveness on street only in the cage.
The Olympics ruins everything it touches. Best thing that can happen to a martial art is its removal from the program.
Old Judo was oriented to techniques or technical sets known as kata however modern mostly on win in sparring if you ask me.
Straight ankle, half crab, Boston crab, calf slicer, toe hold, and knee bar were all in judo back in the day. Heel hook was not but a judoka (takeo Yano)who had learned it was responsible for bringing it to Brazil
Huge Catch Wrestling influence on Brazilian grappling, in fact during a long time the Luta Livre Brasileira guys would be the specialists on leg locks instead of BJJ for this reason, more catch wrestling in LLB than in BJJ, as the father of Luta Livre, Tatu, was a catch wrestlers student. George Gracie was a Catch wrestling champion, and learned from the catch wrestling Dudu, and won against Takeo Yano by a leg lock, while Yano was running away from him on the ground and trying to win by points for take downs. Yano also fought against the father of Luta Livre Brasileira Tatu, 3 times, losing the 2 no gi, and winning the only one in the gi by tiring Tatu out with grip fighting.
When I was a white Belt in Tae Kwon Do in the early 80's My instructor Master Park was from Korea, his training was brutal and we left the dojang totally exhausted and our Gi's completely wet and dripping from sweat so bad it looked like we jumped into a swimming pool. Over the years as American Instructors took over the classes got easier and easier. When I became Sabom'nim the training went back to when Master Park was in charge and I quickly got challenged by parents and the local establishment so bad in fact I went into Private teaching.. I'm here to say that Training has a huge role in the skill of the art and the readiness for a defensive situation. If you don't train hard you won't be hard, of course there is respect and love that goes into training along with a sense of leadership and responsibility with abdominal spirit, courtesy, self control, integrity and perseverance.
This guy’s knowledge of Judo is excellent.
The thing that amazes me about that Kyuzo Mifune video, which was done in his seventies if I recall, was that the student IS actually trying to throw him. He's probably not going 100%, yeah, but the fact that it's not just a student letting his master pretend to beat him up like they're a no-touch mcdojo IS amazing, at that age.
78 years old I believe. They students were ranked as high as 8 th Dan. No....he held his own. He proved at his age he was still masterful
I mean if they wanted to they could have rag dolled the old dude, like have you ever trained with smaller people? Throwing them is easy even with bad technique, especially when you have them up in the air like that already
@@Oldhandlewasabitcringe I think just setting him down after he's up in the air like that is part of the dude going a bit slow for the old man. If you can prove you can get the dude that far in the air, there's really no need to follow through and slam him.
@@Oldhandlewasabitcringe have you ever trained with smaller people who outmach you by alot of skill?
Its not that easy any more
A possible good middle ground rule would be to allow to grab as long there is a upper body grip.
I love what Shintaro has to say about livening things up. I train Jiu Jitsu, but it can be boring to watch. Shintaro is a legend.