STUMPED? Q&A: Shopsmith Bandsaw Urethane Tire Replacement, Solvent for Removing Adhesive Residue?
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- Let's tackle the Questions, Comments & Cheap-Shots from this past weekend's video on installing new urethane tires on a couple of my Shopsmith bandsaw. Just to make it fun I decided to test two brands: The Blue Max and Polytech. If you missed that episode you can catch it here: • Installing 2 Brands of...
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Here's the video of the "Worlds Easiest Method for Installing Urethane Bandsaw Tires":
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Here are links to a few of the products I used in the video:
🟢 Blue Max tire from Amazon: amzn.to/2ZjbZxE
🟢 Blue Max tire from eBay: ebay.us/cMtMpI
🟡 Orange tire from eBay (I have reservations with this one): ebay.us/rRk4aR
🟢 A generic search for 11" Shopsmith bandsaw tire on Amazon: amzn.to/2ZfR3HV
🟢 A generic search for 11" Shopsmith bandsaw tire on eBay: ebay.us/f5BQar
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It looks like UA-cam is punishing me for posting this video late by not sharing it as freely as they normally do. The algorithm seems to be a touchy thing! If you find these follow up videos helpful, do me a favor and give them a thumbs up and/or leave a comment. I’m truly surprised by how much it helps. Thanks, Scott
I have had no problems at all with the Shopsmith orange urethane tires I installed several years ago.
I used Klean Strip brand "Painter's Solvent", which the can says "replaces MEK, Toluene, Xylene, Turpentine and VM&P Naphtha for most applications.". It dissolved the residual rubber and adhesive very easily.
Thanks for the tip!
I don't have a bandsaw but I do have the large 3" casters on my Mk510. When I installed them ten years ago I stupidly decided to protect the nice soft urethane(?) tires with Gorilla Tape to keep them from scuffing on my rough concrete driveway. Big mistake. The glue gummed up horribly and, like the residue on your bandsaw wheels, is very difficult to remove. I discovered today that enamel thinner does a good job of dissolving the dried-up glue crud. It might also work on your bandsaw wheels.
Also, while I had the SS upside down I decided to return my caster mounts to their original holes thereby giving me another inch + of height and enough clearance to negotiate the ramp at the end of my driveway without scraping the ground. But now the casters won't retract enough for the steel leg panels to touch the floor. No problem, a 2 x 4 under each side panel fills the space perfectly and allows full retraction while gripping the floor enough for most operations. If vibration becomes a problem then a bit of rubber sheet from an old bicycle inner tube glued under the 2 x 4s should dampen it and improve the grip. Bruce, Japan
Oops!
My experience:
1. Take the wheels off the saw. It is well worth the effort involved.
2.Clamp it in your vise and heat the rim with a propane torch. When the gunk starts to bubble, wipe it off with a rag.
Thank you, Scott! Good info and great style, as usual.
I have a Mk7 coming ... someday ... and really appreciate your comment on the new casters!
Also about 40 years ago for turning on my 500 I obtained 4 sturdy toddler stools to bring the SS up to comfortable turning height.
Thanks John! Those stools sound like a smart investment. How tall are you?
@@MyGrowthRings back then I was 6’ 2”. I’ve shrunk some ...
@@johnoerter2883 It happens to all of us. I was 6'1" and am now 6' and I need it higher too if I'm going to spend hours turning.
@@MyGrowthRings while we’re off topic, what do you love to smoke in your corn cob? Love my MO Meerschaums; perfect shop pipe - Bayou Night for me
I like aromatics and smoke mostly black Cavendish blends. I've smoked my weight in Lane 1Q! Scott
Hi Scott. I replaced my tires with the blue ones about 6 months back. I noticed their width was a little narrow as well. I contacted to supplier and they told me they made lots of these for ShopSmith bandsaws and over the years the wheel width was not consistent. So they make them now to fit the more narrow ones and so you don't have trouble trimming them when they are too wide. That would be a painful task.
Makes sense, and considering the SS bandsaw tracks to one side it should be a problem. Thanks for the info. Scott
I refurbished my bandsaw a year ago and installed the Blue Max tires...they work great
Glad to hear it. I am trying not to show favoritism, but I think I prefer them to the orange ones. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings why do you prefer the orange ones ?
@@MSRWorkshop I prefer the Blue Max. You must have misread what I said.
Thanks for sharing your tests of solvents. Wire wheel it is!
Yeah, I was a little surprised by those results. Of course I could have given them more time to do their thing, but with a wire wheel within reach why wait? Scott
Hi Scott, I replaced my tires a long time ago. To get off the old rubber I used acetone. I've never had a problem since installing the orange tires
That's great. I suspect that the folks who had issues with the orange ones likely got the 12" tires by mistake. At least I hope that's what it was. Scott
I've always found lacquer thinner or carburetor cleaner works for about everything.
@@Tachsman Especially on carburetors.
Goo Gone tends to need a few minutes to work. I haven’t used Goof Off, but it may need some time to work as well. But depending what the adhesive is, it may have just needed a different chemical remover. But in the end I used a wire wheel as well.
Makes sense. Wire brush it is!
Goof off is the same. Needs to soak in and then scrapped off.
@@soflanut But... I don’t have to soak it at all with a wire brush.
The GooGone has to get to the adhesive to soften it. I don't think it will penetrate the rubber very well. I might remove the adhesive residue after the rubber is gone. It is perfect for removing uncoated paper labels. There is also a residue left behind that has to be removed. It smells good.
It does smell good. Yeah, I realize I wasn’t being very patient but that’s because I have an alternative method that works fast. Perhaps somebody else will benefit from it.
Try getting the residue wet with Nail Polish remover (acetone) and then try wiping it off. Just a thought. I'm a few years from replacing the original tires. (hopefully)
Yeah, I’m over testing solvents. The wire brush does a great job with far less mess, though it will put tiny bits of rubber in your hair if you aren’t paying attention. Scott
Acetone
I bet the clean up direction on the glue bottle say "Clean up with Acetone"
Thanks Scott for another helpful video on the Shopsmith Bandsaw. You're saving us time and reducing frustration! A side question... Do you have a source for zero clearance inserts for the aluminum table? On scroll-type cuts I have used tape on the wide throat opening to avoid chip-out, but would prefer a dedicated insert. Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Actually I don't. I have been in touch with a guy who is 3D printing them on eBay and noted that he pictures a modern SS BS with an aluminum table, but the insert seems to be for the older cast iron table. He had no idea what I was saying! The insert for the aluminum table is a bit more complex, but I suppose it doesn't have to be. I'll see if I can track one down. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Thanks for the reply, Scott. I may try to fashion some out of thin wood or plastic stock I have. It will still take a fair amount of sanding to get the correct thickness. Maybe my kids and grandkids will consider a 3D printer as a nice gift for Pop Pop. Stay Well. Joe
Btw my garage shop warmed up to 27 degrees today ... I look like the Michelin man ... :-)
Ha!
Scott how do solve this problem, my band height is not a problem but it is the left to right sending photo.
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I new what I am going to ask is not related to the top of this video. I have as 500 can I just upgrade the base so I can use the router I both overhead and under.
Not really. You could add the double tilt parts that would put the headstock under the table, but the 500 table wound allow the quill to pass through the table. And, add to that the fact that the top speed of a non-PowerPro headstock is 5200rpm, while router bits are made to spin 20,000+. Even with a PowerPro the top speed is 10,000 rpms, so really it is much better as a shaper than a router. Scott
Did anyone comment on what is wrong with the regular tires? I have used them forever and they do need replacing now and then, they are less expensive. I use the rubber tire on my shop smith and my Delta.
Nope, no one has made that comment and it’s a fair observation. My dry rotted tires worked just fine for over 30 years, and had I replaced them with rubber that pair would likely outlive me. The biggest advantage to the urethane tires is that they don’t require the complete removal of the old adhesive (though I removed all of mine) and they don’t require the application of new adhesive. They are also a bit more forgiving and durable, but I never had a durability issue with the rubber tires. In other words, it’s a little like Coke vs iced tea. Scott
did changing to the new tires make the bandsaw quieter? seems that it would vs. the hard rubber.
Perhaps a little tiny bit, but most of the noise comes from the plethora of bearings that are rolling. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings I recently went through and adjusted everything on my saw after watching your earlier band saw video, but I will be chanigng the tires and also lubricating the upper wheel I think. it is much quieter now than before I adjusted it all, but still louder than I'd like. No screeching now anyway. After all of this I take it that you preferred the blue tires to the orange. What about the blue vs. the original black rubber from SS?
@@55mga1500 I think time will tell. I have no problem with how the black rubber tires work, but they will begin to dry rot and are a little harder to install and remove because of the use of adhesive. If you need to replace them I would go with the Blue Max, but I wouldn’t replace a rubber tire unless it needs to be replaced. Scott
When you used a brass wire wheel, was it really brass coated steel? That seems to be all I can find.
I just did some digging and a quick magnet check and find that you are correct, it is brass plated steel. What a gyp! I've posted a pic on my channel Community page: ua-cam.com/users/postUgzNkWrAJHKbzFrs9jR4AaABCQ
@@MyGrowthRings Thanks Scott. You are a wealth of information!
Well, you taught me something on this one. Scott
Installed blue urethane tires and after just a few minutes of run time the tires are coming off the wheels to the front. Any idea how to fix this
Hey Leo. The tires are too large. They were either the wrong size or were heated too high and stretched, but either way you’ll need new ones. Because you can’t glue these there’s really nothing you can do if they don’t start put. #Bummer
@@MyGrowthRings thank you for the advise. Really enjoy your videos. The tires are narrower than the wheel, can you recommend a tire that might be a better fit than the ones I have now
@@leopetrone7187 Is your bandsaw a Shopsmith saw? Even the stock rubber tires are a tad narrower than the groove in the aluminum wheel. The most important thing is to position the tire towards the back of that groove. The tires I used were from Amazon but they are also available via eBay:
🟢 Blue Max tire from Amazon: amzn.to/2ZjbZxE
🟢 Blue Max tire from eBay: ebay.us/cMtMpI
I’ve found that some adhesives require alcohol to dissolve others nail polish remover.
I do have acetone and several other solvents, but with a wire wheel the job will be done before I could get past the child proof caps! Scott
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Scott - do you have any experience with the SS extension table brackets for infeed/outfeed tables?
Not the version SS sells. I’ve made my own rear supports here and there and should probably share a couple of them.
Made my own out of wood and I really like them. Just tried my best to copy the pictures on the SS site.
@@danasmith8950 They really should be within the ability of most woodworkers, but sometimes it’s faster and simpler just to buy, so I get that too.
@@MyGrowthRings Yeah, that's right. Somehow, "fast" and "simple" seem to be two concepts that are unknown in my shop. :-)
Hector, if you are looking for an outfeed table reverse the auxiliary table and you can use your floating tables as outfeed tables. I will add a link to this discussion with a video I made a number of years ago.
Has anybody tried acetone as a solvent?
They must have, because they still offer it for sale at the hardware store.
Seriously, yes, I use it and have used it in a few of my videos. Why do you ask?
@@MyGrowthRings I was talking specifically about acetone use in this particular application: removing remaining adhesive and rubber off the band saw wheels. I didn't see its mention or use in the video. I apologize if i missed it.
@@mattnelson4387 I’m just goofing on ya, Matt! Yes, it’s worth a try.
Try this for adhesive removal (I use it to remove adhesive from the conical disk)
Warm the wheel with a torch.
Spray on WD40. Using a wire brush (rather than a putty knife per the disk) I bet the glue will goo up and remove easily. (If not, maybe try different WD40 -👌🤪)
Oh my! Gooing-up sounds like a fun add-on to the wire wheel experience!
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But!! After it goos, removal with a paper towel then final cleaning with some acetone and it’s new again.
Give it a go. 👍👍
I bet that paper towel burns real well, too!
@@MyGrowthRings
It doesn’t burn that well - I always soak ‘em in gasoline first. 😎👌🤪
@@MyGrowthRings
The WD40 trick works - give it a try say - - - on a sanding disk - warm the disk, remove as much paper as you can, spray with WD and the adhesive removes easily. Then after a spatula cleaning a little acetone and - - - lookee thar- - it’s new again!
I know you don't have a lot of options where you are located for workbench usage, but have you seen this for bandsaw tire installation?
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Yes, I have. It would work, but that does mean removing the wheels from the machine and you have to make two different mounts, because the lower wheel is fixed to an idler shaft and bearing. Looks like it works, though. Scott
A clamps
A clamps?