If you like what I do here go to deathquads.com and use the promo code BINDANDFLY for 10% off a Deathquads T-Shirt. Or don't I don't care, I am not your dad.
in the whoop community the progress seems to be - buy one, then do a very minor repair (swap props?), then finally solder something, then dive into the full custybuild. Then your identity is locked as a pilot, you're part of the fam: you had a mentor, made some new friends in person and online, and you're stoked to teach the next homie. Love your channel man.
I have done the buy a BNF and fix it until i have damn near have made my drone 3x over. I don't regret it at all. It got me up in the air fast and now that i've been flying for about 5 months now i've been exposed to a bunch of trouble shooting and repairs that i now feel the want to finally build my own drone. Its been a slow burn but i now have all the tools/space needed to fix/build my own without spending all that money in one go and feeling like I'm in over my head.
Built my first quadcopter and had to buy a BNF because I wanted a quadcopter that was tuned properly so I could learn how to fly. BNF whoops are the way to go for beginners.
Yeah but at a certain point I'd imagine you're essentially just building the drone from scratch if enough parts have broken, but I can see the benefits of having a fully functioning quad without having to figure out what uarts go were.
Option 3 is chill. Especially with ELRSs model match and a switched VTX (in case either survives the crash). I can just crash and send up another quad immediately, without a care in the world. Just make sure to label the quads with model match numbers. All you need is to have a crate of 168 quads automatically delivered biweekly, and you get a dozen a day to play with. It's pretty chill. Whoever picks up what's left keeps it. Good way to keep the poor homies in the hobby for cheap.
@@BlyaCyka everything is accurate except the 168 biweekly quad subscription. LoL. That's not real. Plus I don't have that many friends, and I try not to be a wasteful person in general. When I do action shots, especially when I'm on a bike or snowmobile. I can't wear a backpack and just have 4 quads strapped to my chest rig. That way people don't have to wait for me and I can crash/abandon a quad and send the next one up within seconds using the technique described in the original post. The crew retrieves the crashed/landed quads after me, and brings me fresh ones.
@@BlyaCyka neither, I retired in my 20s. But since I have been in and around the movie industry since I was a kid, I get called up every once in a while after word got out that I can fly. I just get my travel, accommodations, and food covered.
I've only been flying for a few months. I came into the hobby through a BNF kit. It was amazing to be able to put sim time to real time quickly, but just like you said, first non-prop issue, I had to send it in for repairs. I thought they were doing me a favor by setting everything up for me, but I had no understanding of rates, modes, anything. BNF packs are great to get the flame lit, but I also imagine it's how a lot of new pilots burn out...paying someone else to do repairs or just buying a new quad. Thanks man. You've been part of my entire journey
It's so much cheaper to buy a bnf and mod it out. I build bnf bind and fly drones. I have to say it's a whole lot easier and more appealing to break a drone and modify it to be on another frame. When you can repair it and work your way up to a build. You have a platform to go off of. My first modification was a dji fpv on a Armattan Rooster frame. It looked like a terminator drone. You know how much it is to buy all the parts to a rocket drone. Waaaay more than buying a geprc mark 4 10 in and modifying it to a rocket drone.
Learning to walk before you run is important, when I was first starting with my bnf I didn't take it to places that would break it. As parts break you learn in smaller steps to fix it until you feel comfortable enough to build one which could be a huge hurtle from the start not knowing if you even like flying
Some people don’t have time for build but they are able to make repairs. In order to have fun just Buy and Bind is always an option and touching PID’s and personalized settings. ⚙️🛠️💸
Lol the falcon story.... a while back me and my buddies were flying and saw a dude ( with a gnarly off road wheelchair)that was into falconry and he was using a old white phantom drone to drop chunks of meat to train the falcon to dive
I started with BNFs to learn. When it broke, option 3. I bought another PNP and flew that while I figured out how to fix the BNF. I can build quads now but breaking stuff will happen.
My first 5 inch was a bnf, helped me get in the air quick without stressing over my first build, but by the time I broke and fixed my bind and fly, building one from scratch was a breeze
I think it’s a lot easier to fix a BNF than try to build your very first quad. At least getting a BNF you get to experience what a good quad flies like. Trying to build a well tuned drone without ever flying one is near impossible. Learn to build by rebuilding! I did.
Bought a emax kit, then a mob7 then things started to break so I got the soldering iron. Then I got a boxer and good goggles and an oddityrc xi125. Made some quad friends locally and Immediately hit a goal post so had to put in a new camera. Broke a mob7 so got a new one and built a whoop with all the parts I had acquired. About to build another 2.5 inch from scratch. Did a kickflip x
One of my favorite drones is my THF2 with 3s... hits that magic spot of rippability and covertness. But to add to your points BNFs tend to cheap out in one way or another and also try to squeak in irritating attempts at proprietaryness. But it's all good, people should really just learn to solder. I fixed some leds yesterday that only stopped working because the power leads were soldered on too long, from the factory, so that when the usb twisted they touched each other. I'd change the title(not really) to, If you build your own drones you'll save money all over the place.
I would bet that at least 95% of FPV Pilots today wouldn't be in the hobby if it wasn't for BNF and Bardwell, at least initially. You watch it for the first time and go "Fuck, I wanna do that" so you go on a obsessive learning spree on how. Most start with a BNF whoop kit or an equivalent small quad and one of two things happen after their drone first breaks and they feel sick to their stomach when the dopamine turns into cortisol. They first look at it and go "Can I fix this?" after hitting the UA-cam, you quickly find out you have to buy all this prerequisite equipment in order to even diagnose it, it can be daunting so this is the first point we loose people. Like you said, if money isn't a thing then "fuck it, why not buy a shit ton". The ones who invest in the tools, the understanding, the community, they normally last. I've noticed too, that pilots who come out of nowhere and learn fast and hard and are killing it, tend to get bored of the hobby and quit earlier then the average pilot. I'm the guy you describe who does barrel rolls, god awful power loops, and drunken orbits with shitty throttle control all amongst parks, trees and fields (only because of my geography). I really wish the closest City worth flying (architecture. bandos) wasn't a 3 hours drive. It seriously blows but it is what it is. What matters to me is when I pull the goggles off with a huge smile and go "God motherfuckin dam that was fun!". Great video as always!
I bought a BNF to strip down & put back together to learn how to build. This was back in 2018; a Wizard. Little did I realize that the tech in that POS was already nearly obsolete by then & moving forward, all gear would be drastically different from the bird's nest of wires & huge RX crammed inside that thing. I learned the hard way, unnecessarily. Smh...
Mu nazgul v2 has been so fucking solid. It's been almost 2 years. I crash the thing a lot and been trough 5 arms a top plate and a bottom plate. But motors and esc, refuse to die
0:17 hey… that’s where my shirt went… here I thought one of the kids took it… give it back 😢 3:14 wait where the crack go…. Miracle power loop transition✌️
Built my first drone and never bought a bnf....but it was a nightmare to figure out and countless hours of being irritated...and then got it working and was soon stoked and then jumped to elrs😂😂😂😂 because I love self torture. But God I'm glad i did because now it's super simple amd it forced me to learn alot of shit. Def build your own
I bought a used BNF 3.5" cinewhoop first, then built my second. That was a good way for me - it got me in the air quickly to keep the stoke up, but made it apparent that I wanted to fly a 5" eventually. Maybe that'd be different if I flew more freestyle from the start. Building is so intimidating for newbies. There's so many ways to mess up (including buying incompatible parts), and it's hard to find the right questions to ask. While at some point you just have to rip that bandaid off, it can definitely be demotivating at the start.
Number one reason to build your own drone, is because BnF's are built by grandmas...people who dont fly, who've never crashed, who just solder the same shit over n over..with no thought to durability or repairability
I started with simulators, then bought a mobula8, ended up replacing basically the equivalent of 3 of them because of all my crashing, then built my own grinderino, and then rebuilt my grinderino lol and currently I broke a motor and waiting to fix my grinderino again. If repairing or building, or tinkering isn't your thing, and you don't have infinite money, then drones are going to be kinda frustrating. BNF is nice to get you started but yes, you're going to be working on your drone and no BNF can help someone avoid that. At least building your own you know the drone inside and out and can better diagnose the inevitable problems.
Nah... I started flying by the end of this july. BNF is the way. I want to fly freestyle... So i have bought 5 BNF´s so far. I do at least one hard crash every weekend. 2 out of the 5 bnf´s are my scrapped "part drones"... Chosing not to fly, just to build something i will break and have to fix anyway is contra productive in terms of learning to just fly well enough to know what to build eventually. I'm guessing you didn´t build your first cars...
@@grimripperrr Or...anything we start doing/learning. 10 years ago i bought a crapy bow hunting kit. Instead of building a bow and arrows i just started shooting and fell in love with it. Today i build arrows etc. like a pro...simple as. Now i´m done ruining bow hunting for every one. Next project: Divide FPV with BNF´s
Yo love the video style buddy! That 7" Apex LR looks amazing! Looks like it flys amazing too! Cheers! "I got control back guys" haha kills me every time!
Damn Grim. I want to watch your content but another video on this? Wtf cares what people buy? Ive been flying since rhe 80s. Planes, helis (talk about a kit!) drones, quads whatever. Id rather watch you rip packs. Take us to the concrete jungle and show us what you do. Take us through a build. With some editing, you can do it in 15 minutes. We dont need to see every freaking solder. Next vid you gonna tell us not to use a prebuilt radio? You gonna get on the opennic vtx bus?
This is all very true my first quad I built myself but I like that part too though but ya build so you know how to fix it u would rather spend 20 or 60 or 100 bucks to fix the part then buy a new one for 500 or 1000 dollers 👍👍👍👍
I feel that's too much gatekeeping for a hobby that's not really growing as it is. Between Remote ID requirements and people who look down on those who don't build their own drones, might as well join AMA - they also have cranky old guys that like telling others how to do things..
I’ve never bought a BNF drone. I build all my drones from scratch. The reason being I can always put what ever parts I want to and my quality control is way better than the manufacturers.
you don't support Ukraine....... WHAT..................?!?!?!?!?! (replace Ukraine with other opposing country or country that is in war and needs help)
Wasn’t me speaking. He also was trying to convey that we don’t support FPV drone warfare in general, and that we weren’t training to use our drones in war.
If you like what I do here go to deathquads.com and use the promo code BINDANDFLY for 10% off a Deathquads T-Shirt. Or don't I don't care, I am not your dad.
need a hoody, F the FAA
Did you build YOUR first kwad? Allot of pilots forget and underestimate the skill and knowledge needed to build a drone
OK I like ya, BUT fuck you dale IM LAZY 🤣 soon though or I hope because I got two started on the bench right now.
Every time i hear why you should and if you like what i do here, i immediately think Shut the fuck up.
in the whoop community the progress seems to be - buy one, then do a very minor repair (swap props?), then finally solder something, then dive into the full custybuild. Then your identity is locked as a pilot, you're part of the fam: you had a mentor, made some new friends in person and online, and you're stoked to teach the next homie. Love your channel man.
I’ve only ever built my own whoops haha, and actually bought my first whoop stuff from you.
I got control back !!! Fuck the FAA!!!! 😂 LOVE HIS SHIRT
@@grimripperrr well got damn thanks man.
I have done the buy a BNF and fix it until i have damn near have made my drone 3x over. I don't regret it at all. It got me up in the air fast and now that i've been flying for about 5 months now i've been exposed to a bunch of trouble shooting and repairs that i now feel the want to finally build my own drone. Its been a slow burn but i now have all the tools/space needed to fix/build my own without spending all that money in one go and feeling like I'm in over my head.
Built my first quadcopter and had to buy a BNF because I wanted a quadcopter that was tuned properly so I could learn how to fly. BNF whoops are the way to go for beginners.
Fixing a drone is always easier than building a new one, it's the setup that's hard. I built a 5inch for my first drone though and I'm glad I did
It’s so much easier and cheaper to repair a BNF than it is to build a drone from scratch.
Yeah but at a certain point I'd imagine you're essentially just building the drone from scratch if enough parts have broken, but I can see the benefits of having a fully functioning quad without having to figure out what uarts go were.
Option 3 is chill.
Especially with ELRSs model match and a switched VTX (in case either survives the crash). I can just crash and send up another quad immediately, without a care in the world. Just make sure to label the quads with model match numbers.
All you need is to have a crate of 168 quads automatically delivered biweekly, and you get a dozen a day to play with.
It's pretty chill. Whoever picks up what's left keeps it. Good way to keep the poor homies in the hobby for cheap.
And some people still claim you can’t buy happiness.
Aint no way you actually doing this 😭😭😭
@@BlyaCyka everything is accurate except the 168 biweekly quad subscription. LoL. That's not real. Plus I don't have that many friends, and I try not to be a wasteful person in general.
When I do action shots, especially when I'm on a bike or snowmobile. I can't wear a backpack and just have 4 quads strapped to my chest rig. That way people don't have to wait for me and I can crash/abandon a quad and send the next one up within seconds using the technique described in the original post. The crew retrieves the crashed/landed quads after me, and brings me fresh ones.
@@lemonsquareFPV Dang sounds fun lol, do you film shots as a job or as a hobby?
@@BlyaCyka neither, I retired in my 20s.
But since I have been in and around the movie industry since I was a kid, I get called up every once in a while after word got out that I can fly. I just get my travel, accommodations, and food covered.
I've only been flying for a few months. I came into the hobby through a BNF kit. It was amazing to be able to put sim time to real time quickly, but just like you said, first non-prop issue, I had to send it in for repairs. I thought they were doing me a favor by setting everything up for me, but I had no understanding of rates, modes, anything. BNF packs are great to get the flame lit, but I also imagine it's how a lot of new pilots burn out...paying someone else to do repairs or just buying a new quad.
Thanks man. You've been part of my entire journey
It's so much cheaper to buy a bnf and mod it out.
I build bnf bind and fly drones. I have to say it's a whole lot easier and more appealing to break a drone and modify it to be on another frame. When you can repair it and work your way up to a build. You have a platform to go off of. My first modification was a dji fpv on a Armattan Rooster frame. It looked like a terminator drone. You know how much it is to buy all the parts to a rocket drone. Waaaay more than buying a geprc mark 4 10 in and modifying it to a rocket drone.
"You guys training for the uhhh Ukraine?" - Random Old Guy
Learning to walk before you run is important, when I was first starting with my bnf I didn't take it to places that would break it. As parts break you learn in smaller steps to fix it until you feel comfortable enough to build one which could be a huge hurtle from the start not knowing if you even like flying
Some people don’t have time for build but they are able to make repairs. In order to have fun just Buy and Bind is always an option and touching PID’s and personalized settings. ⚙️🛠️💸
Lol the falcon story.... a while back me and my buddies were flying and saw a dude ( with a gnarly off road wheelchair)that was into falconry and he was using a old white phantom drone to drop chunks of meat to train the falcon to dive
I started with BNFs to learn. When it broke, option 3. I bought another PNP and flew that while I figured out how to fix the BNF. I can build quads now but breaking stuff will happen.
Jokes on you, I buy BNF then take it apart and build it again!
ok
@@grimripperrr lol
I built my first one but now I could buy a Nazgul eco for less than I paid in parts and not to mention the hours I spent building.
Dont buy happymodel elrs receivers… me who just bought 6😂
My first 5 inch was a bnf, helped me get in the air quick without stressing over my first build, but by the time I broke and fixed my bind and fly, building one from scratch was a breeze
I think it’s a lot easier to fix a BNF than try to build your very first quad. At least getting a BNF you get to experience what a good quad flies like. Trying to build a well tuned drone without ever flying one is near impossible. Learn to build by rebuilding! I did.
What we are talking. About is Grimm ...... Respect yet..... I love my works, wait I ... 7 inch? Brill
Bought a emax kit, then a mob7 then things started to break so I got the soldering iron. Then I got a boxer and good goggles and an oddityrc xi125. Made some quad friends locally and Immediately hit a goal post so had to put in a new camera. Broke a mob7 so got a new one and built a whoop with all the parts I had acquired. About to build another 2.5 inch from scratch. Did a kickflip x
One of my favorite drones is my THF2 with 3s... hits that magic spot of rippability and covertness. But to add to your points BNFs tend to cheap out in one way or another and also try to squeak in irritating attempts at proprietaryness. But it's all good, people should really just learn to solder. I fixed some leds yesterday that only stopped working because the power leads were soldered on too long, from the factory, so that when the usb twisted they touched each other. I'd change the title(not really) to, If you build your own drones you'll save money all over the place.
I would bet that at least 95% of FPV Pilots today wouldn't be in the hobby if it wasn't for BNF and Bardwell, at least initially. You watch it for the first time and go "Fuck, I wanna do that" so you go on a obsessive learning spree on how. Most start with a BNF whoop kit or an equivalent small quad and one of two things happen after their drone first breaks and they feel sick to their stomach when the dopamine turns into cortisol. They first look at it and go "Can I fix this?" after hitting the UA-cam, you quickly find out you have to buy all this prerequisite equipment in order to even diagnose it, it can be daunting so this is the first point we loose people. Like you said, if money isn't a thing then "fuck it, why not buy a shit ton". The ones who invest in the tools, the understanding, the community, they normally last. I've noticed too, that pilots who come out of nowhere and learn fast and hard and are killing it, tend to get bored of the hobby and quit earlier then the average pilot. I'm the guy you describe who does barrel rolls, god awful power loops, and drunken orbits with shitty throttle control all amongst parks, trees and fields (only because of my geography). I really wish the closest City worth flying (architecture. bandos) wasn't a 3 hours drive. It seriously blows but it is what it is. What matters to me is when I pull the goggles off with a huge smile and go "God motherfuckin dam that was fun!". Great video as always!
Just built my first FPV drone. My rational was that if I break it, I'll just print a new part and I'm definitely going to break it... a lot...
I bought a BNF to strip down & put back together to learn how to build. This was back in 2018; a Wizard. Little did I realize that the tech in that POS was already nearly obsolete by then & moving forward, all gear would be drastically different from the bird's nest of wires & huge RX crammed inside that thing. I learned the hard way, unnecessarily. Smh...
Mu nazgul v2 has been so fucking solid. It's been almost 2 years. I crash the thing a lot and been trough 5 arms a top plate and a bottom plate. But motors and esc, refuse to die
A blown esc got me into building drones
0:17 hey… that’s where my shirt went… here I thought one of the kids took it… give it back 😢
3:14 wait where the crack go…. Miracle power loop transition✌️
Built my first drone and never bought a bnf....but it was a nightmare to figure out and countless hours of being irritated...and then got it working and was soon stoked and then jumped to elrs😂😂😂😂 because I love self torture. But God I'm glad i did because now it's super simple amd it forced me to learn alot of shit. Def build your own
"You guys training for Ukraine?" 🤣🤣🤣☠
I support Ukraine.
@@canadiangemstones7636 I can barely support myself.
I bought a used BNF 3.5" cinewhoop first, then built my second. That was a good way for me - it got me in the air quickly to keep the stoke up, but made it apparent that I wanted to fly a 5" eventually. Maybe that'd be different if I flew more freestyle from the start.
Building is so intimidating for newbies. There's so many ways to mess up (including buying incompatible parts), and it's hard to find the right questions to ask. While at some point you just have to rip that bandaid off, it can definitely be demotivating at the start.
Number one reason to build your own drone, is because BnF's are built by grandmas...people who dont fly, who've never crashed, who just solder the same shit over n over..with no thought to durability or repairability
I am a programmer. Bought a bind and fly for convenience. I am now far beyond that drone, and I find it uninspiring to fly because I didn't make it.
that's how I feel tbh
I’m a programmer too, I get a bit more satisfaction of building rather than flying it.
@@iCrazy414 Yep built every other quad and whoop I own! Betaflight and ELRS felt right at home, right out the gate.
totally valid
You build your first kwad? Allot of pilots forget and underestimate the skill and knowledge needed to build a drone.
Yeah I’ve built everything
I have a nazgul v1, and it still gets it. Now I have a thruple of demibots. They thick and slap and only eat props when I lawndart like a noob.
Amen father Grim ⛪️ 🙌🏼
I started with simulators, then bought a mobula8, ended up replacing basically the equivalent of 3 of them because of all my crashing, then built my own grinderino, and then rebuilt my grinderino lol and currently I broke a motor and waiting to fix my grinderino again. If repairing or building, or tinkering isn't your thing, and you don't have infinite money, then drones are going to be kinda frustrating. BNF is nice to get you started but yes, you're going to be working on your drone and no BNF can help someone avoid that. At least building your own you know the drone inside and out and can better diagnose the inevitable problems.
Also fuck ya 7” freestyle
Random falcon guy encounter. Pretty cool.
Ah. Then the Ukraine comment. 🤣🤣
Life fucking lessons right here kiddies!!!
Nah...
I started flying by the end of this july.
BNF is the way. I want to fly freestyle... So i have bought 5 BNF´s so far. I do at least one hard crash every weekend.
2 out of the 5 bnf´s are my scrapped "part drones"...
Chosing not to fly, just to build something i will break and have to fix anyway is contra productive in terms of learning to just fly well enough to know what to build eventually.
I'm guessing you didn´t build your first cars...
a car and an FPV drone are the same thing, you're right
@@grimripperrr
Or...anything we start doing/learning.
10 years ago i bought a crapy bow hunting kit. Instead of building a bow and arrows i just started shooting and fell in love with it. Today i build arrows etc. like a pro...simple as.
Now i´m done ruining bow hunting for every one.
Next project: Divide FPV with BNF´s
Thanks. I look forward to seeing you in Ohio. I'll reach out. Appreciate you.
Peace ✌️
"haha anyways are you training for ukraine?"
Iets go Grimm 🤘🏻👊🏻
Yo love the video style buddy! That 7" Apex LR looks amazing! Looks like it flys amazing too! Cheers! "I got control back guys" haha kills me every time!
If I wasn't so broke, I'd break more stuff. Good ass video.
yeah I basically bought a lot of stuff when I started and have just accumulated all these parts.
Damn Grim. I want to watch your content but another video on this? Wtf cares what people buy? Ive been flying since rhe 80s. Planes, helis (talk about a kit!) drones, quads whatever. Id rather watch you rip packs. Take us to the concrete jungle and show us what you do. Take us through a build. With some editing, you can do it in 15 minutes. We dont need to see every freaking solder.
Next vid you gonna tell us not to use a prebuilt radio? You gonna get on the opennic vtx bus?
So what's the best glue for building your own quadcopter? 😛
elmers clear glue
Nice video 📹
Fpv cycling cap coming soon to death quads? 👀
I’ve been looking for some. Probably eventually
@@grimripperrryoo sick! Ill def keep an eye out. I could use a new cap 😅
Dude brought his PET falcon to the park where it then tried to do falcon shit which upset him enough to blast it into submission with a slingshot?
This is all very true my first quad I built myself but I like that part too though but ya build so you know how to fix it u would rather spend 20 or 60 or 100 bucks to fix the part then buy a new one for 500 or 1000 dollers 👍👍👍👍
❤
True story
bnf is fine for day 1, but build on day 2
I feel that's too much gatekeeping for a hobby that's not really growing as it is. Between Remote ID requirements and people who look down on those who don't build their own drones, might as well join AMA - they also have cranky old guys that like telling others how to do things..
ok
can you build me a drone? i'd like onolog 3" bogrinderino on 3s bacteries :? o/
Bnf are way cheaper
I’ve never bought a BNF drone. I build all my drones from scratch. The reason being I can always put what ever parts I want to and my quality control is way better than the manufacturers.
you don't support Ukraine....... WHAT..................?!?!?!?!?!
(replace Ukraine with other opposing country or country that is in war and needs help)
Wasn’t me speaking. He also was trying to convey that we don’t support FPV drone warfare in general, and that we weren’t training to use our drones in war.
Maga loves ruzzia, weird how the world has changed.