StarCraft 2: Can MaxPax OUTPLAY Serral?! (Best-of-3)

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 230

  • @jacoballey21
    @jacoballey21 Рік тому +216

    im just happy that there's finally a player that gives protoss hope

    • @ObeliskM
      @ObeliskM Рік тому +1

      what about HerO?

    • @jeffreywarf
      @jeffreywarf Рік тому +4

      Watch them nerf protoss AGAIN

    • @ИванИгревский
      @ИванИгревский Рік тому +4

      @@jeffreywarf that’s how it works. One genius Zerg caused Zerg to be nerfed many times. Time for toss to taste this pill

    • @hivetech4903
      @hivetech4903 Рік тому +10

      @@ИванИгревский Actually Protoss got nerfed many times because they were the most OP in 10 years in PvZ - dominating the Major tournaments. (You can see this on aligulac's balance report page.) That's the level below the Premiere's Lowko was talking about. Balance is based on all tournaments because there's just not enough players for sample data in the Premieres.

    • @bongkem2723
      @bongkem2723 Рік тому +3

      @@ИванИгревский protoss got nerfed a lot, carrier is nerfed already, disruptor is nerfed too and not a single protoss champion recently.

  • @melvinthegiant5893
    @melvinthegiant5893 Рік тому +108

    That chocolatey smooth “Welcome to Lowko…Lowko before breakfast” needs to be the new intro 😂

  • @feelmakecreativevideoagenc9468
    @feelmakecreativevideoagenc9468 Рік тому +51

    MaxPax is a hope for all protoss around the world to be in game

  • @jeremyduke4938
    @jeremyduke4938 Рік тому +105

    Wow that's the best protoss ive seen. Makes me a proud toss player. 😊

    • @timlee1794
      @timlee1794 Рік тому +9

      fellow tosser, eh?

    • @robinspanier7017
      @robinspanier7017 Рік тому +4

      hope detected, please nerf protos they are op! :(

    • @nickhutchinson7886
      @nickhutchinson7886 Рік тому

      So you admit to being a tosser

    • @jeremyduke4938
      @jeremyduke4938 Рік тому +4

      @@robinspanier7017 NOOOO lol.

    • @solomonjenkins9505
      @solomonjenkins9505 Рік тому +1

      @@robinspanier7017 lol is this really how the community works? I feel like because protoss units are the strongest, when their units survive and regen shields it's almost exponential how much better a slight boost makes the race.

  • @jaimeebg
    @jaimeebg Рік тому +27

    The last best-of-5 series of Serral vs Maxpax you uploaded was one of the best I've seen in recent times and maxpax was already playing with this strategy. And that high mobility Stalker+oracle with non stop stasis is beautiful to see.

  • @DaevorTheDevoted
    @DaevorTheDevoted Рік тому +35

    That was fantastic. Max Pax is showing us what he's made of.

  • @justsaying102
    @justsaying102 Рік тому +7

    Background: This is from Serral's stream fRiskying around. Serral called these freebies where he does bad strategies that are fun to watch so his MMR doesn't get too high.

  • @Kerl_in
    @Kerl_in Рік тому +87

    Error 404: "Hello everyone my name is Lowko" not found 😢

    • @therealacebasearchive1479
      @therealacebasearchive1479 Рік тому

      In my best Jon Snow: "I don't want it."
      But who am I kidding? It's a Lowko video. I'm going to watch it ANYWAYS

    • @LincolnH1224
      @LincolnH1224 Рік тому

      Welcome to Lowko… Lowko before breakfast.

    • @PalantirM
      @PalantirM Рік тому

      I always miss the singing of “Hello everyone my name is Lowko”. Even my girlfriend used to sing it

    • @amirjameioskooei1997
      @amirjameioskooei1997 Рік тому +1

      Do you have anything to ad to this comment, Lowko?
      He is absolutely right!
      Where is our "hello my name is Lowko"? Where? Huh?!

  • @OnigoroshiZero
    @OnigoroshiZero Рік тому +16

    Max boy is a beast. I don't even remember when was the last time that I saw anyone beat Serral this year.

    • @sevenpolar3483
      @sevenpolar3483 Рік тому +2

      Katowice

    • @3d_win
      @3d_win Рік тому +2

      @@sevenpolar3483 ZvZ. Doesn't count :D

    • @sevenpolar3483
      @sevenpolar3483 Рік тому

      @@3d_win why?

    • @3d_win
      @3d_win Рік тому

      @@sevenpolar3483 Just joking :D

    • @2639theboss
      @2639theboss Рік тому +1

      I believe Wardi or Pig said at Dreamhack that Serral has lost two series total since Feb.
      I assume this is one, i dont know the other, i believe they were counting post-Kato.

  • @JonathanMartin-l1v
    @JonathanMartin-l1v Рік тому +84

    Does this prove that Serral and MaxPax are not the same person?

    • @OnigoroshiZero
      @OnigoroshiZero Рік тому +45

      Not yet, they should be on the same stage at the same time for this. This could still be Serral playing on two machines at the same time trying to outplay himself.

    • @robinspanier7017
      @robinspanier7017 Рік тому +12

      @@OnigoroshiZero i have heared that serral is good with his feet

    • @OnigoroshiZero
      @OnigoroshiZero Рік тому +4

      @@robinspanier7017 or maybe he is testing a brain implant from Neuralink.

    • @MUtt-fi9sn
      @MUtt-fi9sn Рік тому +1

      Actually MaxPax is a famous retired Hollywood actor. Maybe Jack Nicholson.

  • @runejensen7383
    @runejensen7383 Рік тому +14

    Best feeling seeing Lowko upload a new video

  • @kylerhaged3476
    @kylerhaged3476 Рік тому +1

    23:08 Poor creep tumour 😢 Queens got so mad they started going after it.

  • @robinspanier7017
    @robinspanier7017 Рік тому +4

    i love the idea of delaying oracles vs serral, serral knows the timings so well that he positions himself to deal with it so if you wait, he might be out of position

  • @wesleyfriedel3160
    @wesleyfriedel3160 Рік тому +14

    Nice going Lowko, this was a Fantastic game. HURA for Protoss.

  • @temushin
    @temushin Рік тому +1

    I love how Serral doing the Erik opener is so normal it's not even worth mentioning anymore. :P

  • @tom4ivo
    @tom4ivo Рік тому +2

    I remember when (not too long ago) 80% of finalists were protoss, and everyone else complained about how op protoss was. Then came some balance patches that tipped the balance in favor of terrans, and terran players were going "Wow, is this what it feels like to be protoss?" SC2 is not static.

  • @metrick00
    @metrick00 Рік тому +1

    I think MaxPax figured out how to fight Terran, and that's what's cool. It turns out that against Terran, if you aren't ahead you're behind, so keeping them always 1-2 bases behind you makes your late game army actually scale relative to theirs.

  • @nick-ro5bd
    @nick-ro5bd Рік тому +1

    I still feel like the balance is why pros choose what they choose, maybe even if they don't know it. After playing protoss since broodwar came out, I gave zerg a try recently. What I noticed was despite the units feeling worse, the spellcasters are in a different leauge then protoss. Protoss has aoe damage spell, and aoe damage spell, really centered around keeping the death ball alive in zoning damage.
    The zerg spellcasters actually feel like they are precise and enhance the army, which helps fast accurate guys like serrals play style.
    Terran is the opposite of protoss. Protoss uses cheap gateway units to tank for their thin line of power units. Terran uses their power units expendably to enhance their bioball. Set them up, and use heavy fast micro to keep your bio alive while you slow creep your base forward in a heavily entrenched position. It works for the fast guys like byun and clem, and for the guys who are methodical and planning like maru.
    but then again. the pro scene seems to finally be figuring out how to play protoss. theyre the aggressive race.

  • @charlesratcliffe6839
    @charlesratcliffe6839 Рік тому +2

    The shield overcharge for the cannon at the end of the game was hilarious to me

  • @paulcato3434
    @paulcato3434 Рік тому

    I love the way Lowko says "Dragon Scales."

  • @aziouss2863
    @aziouss2863 Рік тому +13

    Speaking about protoss being UP.
    In a way, I think they just lack some of the quality of life things that other factions have.
    Like they cant heal hull hp. (flesh hp i guess for zalots and adepts XD)
    They don't have something as powerful as creeps or scans for vision.
    Those things count for a lot in my mind.

    • @kurt7937
      @kurt7937 Рік тому

      as zerg main, aside from the movespeed creep gives, i would much rather have a t1 unit like a phoenix for vision, and with just a t2 unit you can also have infinite vision with a well placed observer for an entire match

    • @aziouss2863
      @aziouss2863 Рік тому +6

      ​ @kurt7937 Nah creep is just better.
      The sensor/scan terrain combo is great too.
      Observers just don't compare.

    • @Iaotle
      @Iaotle Рік тому

      @@aziouss2863 did you forget you have hallucination in t1? cmon bro

    • @aziouss2863
      @aziouss2863 Рік тому +4

      @@Iaotle Creep is in every game.
      So are scans.
      Sentries? Not so much.

    • @Iaotle
      @Iaotle Рік тому

      @@aziouss2863 you should get at least 1 sentry if you want early scouting. If you don't - don't make one but don't whine about it lol.

  • @doid3r4s
    @doid3r4s Рік тому +7

    Game 3 was a proper strategy game.

  • @xIxjoshxIx
    @xIxjoshxIx Рік тому +5

    WOW! first time in a long time ive seen serral outplayed.

  • @dillonwyatt8144
    @dillonwyatt8144 Рік тому +3

    Lowko for Breakfast = Lowko Cocos

  • @SawyerKnight
    @SawyerKnight Рік тому +2

    wow, Serral set up 2 computers and played them at the same time

  • @Spartsou
    @Spartsou Рік тому +2

    a Bo3 40 min game with MaxPax and Serral?
    *you know it's going to be good*
    Don't worry Lowko, I'm a MaxPax fanboy too :D

  • @Erebus2075
    @Erebus2075 Рік тому +2

    9:19 if only that 1100minerals was static defences right ;P

    • @Erebus2075
      @Erebus2075 Рік тому +1

      13:17 if only he had invested like 500 into static on each base he wouldn't have lost such an extreme amount of workers :P

  • @Komatik_
    @Komatik_ Рік тому +2

    It's interesting to contrast these "Protoss doesn't win" type impressions with Aligulac's balance stats. According to Aligulac, between January 2021 and today there's been only one month where PvZ hasn't been in Protoss' favour, and PvZ has consistently been the matchup with the most imbalanced winrates.
    TvZ has generally favoured Terran, but it's been much less unfavourable for Zerg than PvZ and has multiple dips to being Zerg-favoured - this April and May being the two most recent ones.
    PvT's generally switched the race that's favoured though after Oct 21 it's been evenish or with a small Terran lean. April 23 was clearly Terran-leaning but May was dead even.
    So it may be that Protoss doesn't win at the very top of the world, but the picture's very different among mere mortals.

    • @hivetech4903
      @hivetech4903 Рік тому +1

      That's true. Its the tournament Majors where Protoss dominates, and I would still consider those players beyond us mortals lol.
      The balance is excellent overall though the past 6 months, averaging within 2 or 3% of 50.

    • @Fimbu1vetr
      @Fimbu1vetr Рік тому

      Still not great now at premiers, where toss has been doing much much worse after the last patch. Unsurprisingly, with huge disruptor and shield battery overcharge nerfs for faster forge upgrades.

  • @cameronmiller6240
    @cameronmiller6240 Рік тому

    It was a bit weird in game 1 hearing LowkoTV talk about how serral was outplaying maxpax when the finisher was down to 3 bases versus the four of Protoss but oh well.

  • @tiberiusx22
    @tiberiusx22 Рік тому +3

    I will ALWAYS root for protoss in a PvZ. Great games by both players!

  • @huyxiun2085
    @huyxiun2085 Рік тому

    Long time (months?) since I didn't watch some StarCraft or your channel. No good reason, just resting a bit on that.
    Commenting at 2:51 to say that you can do more of the forced smooth Lowko voice anytime.
    I'd listen to such a voice during my morning coffee too.
    If I were still drinking coffee, that is (and god how I miss it).

    • @huyxiun2085
      @huyxiun2085 Рік тому

      13:57 comment: that first game was insane!! So glad I came back.
      Also, no thank you for the Mickey Mouse voice. But I did chuckle.
      And don't worry for missing some of the action. Honestly I missed all these rollbyes. And it's always good that you rollback a bit in these situations.

  • @glennriter5965
    @glennriter5965 Рік тому +1

    Well played matches but... I'm gonna be honest (this is a common complaint I have with Serral) he gives up too easily. If he believes himself to be at a disadvantage, he taps out right away. Even when it's a small difference or, on occasion, he's not the one at a disadvantage at all, he just thinks he is. He knocks himself out of just as many tournaments as someone else knocks him out.
    To be clear he's still an amazing player. I just think he'd do even better if he was more tenacious. I was going to avoid more spoilers but... It's all over the comments. I was talking about game 1. That game wasn't over by any stretch of the imagination, his disadvantage was minor.

  • @66ALDARIS
    @66ALDARIS Рік тому +3

    Love watching MaxPax play

  • @scottmills4164
    @scottmills4164 Рік тому +1

    The reason Protoss doesn't win any tournaments is pretty simple in my opinion. They struggle to defeat a Terran army. Everything in the Terran arsenal counters Protoss so hard. It's a constant uphill battle. Protoss may win a few games but inevitably cant continuously win vs Terran.

  • @tres-3770
    @tres-3770 Рік тому

    As a player with minimal experience I feel like a late game upgrade for stalker / adept that gives maybe 15 shields back upon use of their abilities like a sort of blink Regen could possibly make them a little more tanky while also not making them require more skill to use

  • @jonsolo32
    @jonsolo32 Рік тому +5

    What will it take to get Protoss to make walls for their outer expos?

  • @taoofjester4113
    @taoofjester4113 Рік тому

    Love Lowko when he is really amped up on caffeine.

  • @robinspanier7017
    @robinspanier7017 Рік тому +3

    so this proves that serral can play starcraft with his feet as well

  • @Airbag888
    @Airbag888 Рік тому +2

    That game brought a smile to my face. Ty maxpax

  • @EvanMcClurg-tb9bz
    @EvanMcClurg-tb9bz Рік тому

    I think differences in skill matter more than differences in power level in StarCraft 2. I´ve been watching a lot of my replays and weather I win or loose I can usually find places were me or my opponent could´ve changed the outcome of the game by making small changes to how they played the game.

  • @Teh_Duck
    @Teh_Duck Рік тому +2

    I 100% agree that the reason on why protoss doesn't win as many tourneys is because of the players. If you compare serral & maru to any of the current protoss players, they just aren't at the same level (well maxpax is looking very promising). Though toss is for sure in a worse spot balance-wise aswell, zerg has creep, terran has orbitals, & toss has.... nothing as significant as orbitals and creep.

    • @hivetech4903
      @hivetech4903 Рік тому

      ? PvZ has consistently been _Protoss favored_ for a long time at tournament level, and aligulac proves this. Lowko was referencing Premiere tournaments only, which obviously doesn't provide enough data for balance, because as he said they are a very small number of players. The balance is now close to 50% so in a very good spot, although still slightly Protoss favored.

    • @charon7320
      @charon7320 11 місяців тому

      ahem? protoss can warps units and buildings.

  • @clashfraser6663
    @clashfraser6663 Рік тому +1

    I would definitely watch a lowko before breakfast tv show

  • @user-jv8mi9cn9g
    @user-jv8mi9cn9g Рік тому

    WOW!! finally we've found a savior of protoss.

  • @Taznak
    @Taznak Рік тому +2

    Serral is the greatest SC2 player of all time, he's very dominant, especially in ZvT and ZvP. Maxpax taking a series off of him is very impressive.
    @Lowko: It's okay to root for the underdog!

    • @ObeliskM
      @ObeliskM Рік тому

      Not suprising since Serral plays the most broken race.

    • @Taznak
      @Taznak Рік тому +3

      ​@@ObeliskM If Serral didn't exist, Zerg would look downright underpowered in the Aligulac ratings and in terms of tournament results. If you check the results for the 10 most recent Major and Premier SC2 tournaments in Liquipedia, 4 were won by Terran, 4 were won by Protoss, and 2 were won by Serral.

    • @diegovillavicencio3172
      @diegovillavicencio3172 Рік тому

      @@ObeliskM Serral makes it look broken lol, go watch the last 10 major tournament games. The only zerg wins are by Serral

  • @benjamineidam
    @benjamineidam Рік тому +1

    The danish prince breaks the helmet zerg himself?! What am I seeing? :0

  • @liden77
    @liden77 Рік тому

    Beautiful Scandinavian Derby

  • @orangepearlf40
    @orangepearlf40 Рік тому

    Serral doing a dark queen walk in game one. Ahahah! Love it.

  • @chriswolf3988
    @chriswolf3988 Рік тому

    More lowko before breakfast please :)

  • @djingiskhan4581
    @djingiskhan4581 10 місяців тому

    Plot twist: Serral vs MaxPax is serral multiboxing with two accounts. 😂

  • @jorgereyes3110
    @jorgereyes3110 Рік тому

    Im a fan of maxpax since the era of the proxy zelot opener against terran 😂 high pride for our protosses out there

  • @spoken_truth2501
    @spoken_truth2501 Рік тому +1

    Lowko start a Off Race story cup” players must pick a race that did use in gsl

  • @lucianoribeiro7921
    @lucianoribeiro7921 Рік тому

    Is Good to see the golden armada winning sometimes

  • @DaevorTheDevoted
    @DaevorTheDevoted Рік тому +1

    Love the "Welcome to Lowko. Lowko before breakfast." That deep voice is bound to attract more female viewers to your channel 🤣

  • @quwarq
    @quwarq Рік тому

    What you don't have for us is The Lowko Intro(TM).
    But I'll watch anyways, sounds like a banger even without it.

  • @WarriorsSon
    @WarriorsSon Рік тому +3

    Maxpax par excellence

  • @goldensea03idk51
    @goldensea03idk51 Рік тому

    Holy shit I did NOT expect that at all

  • @felipejorge4852
    @felipejorge4852 Рік тому +1

    This was GLORIOUS

  • @FinoClips
    @FinoClips Рік тому +2

    gg! Great job to Maxpax!

  • @zacharyhenz2108
    @zacharyhenz2108 Рік тому

    This title is 100% clickbait, and I'm here for it.

  • @darkmxk
    @darkmxk Рік тому

    The fact that we're getting robbed from watching MAXPAX offline... Jeez.

  • @macedindu829
    @macedindu829 Рік тому

    I'm a Pax man! Skibby dibby dip boom budup bup, skibby dibby dip boom budup bup.

  • @jre-3261
    @jre-3261 Рік тому

    amazing game. Their micro is godlike :D

  • @arvinjancruz5175
    @arvinjancruz5175 Рік тому

    oh no! can't believe serral lost! still a great series! maxpax is the future of protoss.

  • @DjornNorthfield
    @DjornNorthfield Рік тому

    I know it's probably happened pleanty of times but this is the first time I've seen Serral lose to Protoss. WTG MaxPax!

  • @m.b.54
    @m.b.54 Рік тому

    nice cast, really good game, love yoo watch falcon paladin same cast to feel different point of view

  • @LanceFehr
    @LanceFehr Рік тому

    Never thought I'd see Serral get run through by a group of carriers...

  • @wololoik9247
    @wololoik9247 Рік тому

    Smooth Lowko is best Lowko

  • @yamilabugattas3895
    @yamilabugattas3895 Рік тому

    I always feel like Serral ggs out a bit too early. I wouldn't mind seeing him try at least an extra minute.

  • @mr_clean575
    @mr_clean575 Рік тому

    Lowko before breakfast podcast 2024

  • @Slade1818
    @Slade1818 Рік тому

    That was some great Starcraft

  • @bagahbread
    @bagahbread Рік тому

    Bruh wtf😭 seeing that many banes rolling into your shit is hilarious af

  • @joecordero1699
    @joecordero1699 Рік тому

    Me a Zerg main: damn my race hasn’t been top tier since brood war.
    Serral:hold my beer
    Me:👁️👄👁️

    • @MrMasters1983
      @MrMasters1983 Рік тому +1

      Bruh. Your race has won like half of all the tournaments over the last 6 years. Thats way past top tier.

    • @JoseLopez-hs3yw
      @JoseLopez-hs3yw Рік тому

      Your race its the definition of top tier. Lol.

  • @Erebus2075
    @Erebus2075 Рік тому

    38:56 recall col immediatedly. no reason to let them stay to die and no chance they can get out without recall from such position.

  • @markvon9727
    @markvon9727 Рік тому

    I was cheering for MaxPax also! Underdogs ftw

  • @andresgrimminck8674
    @andresgrimminck8674 Рік тому

    Serral can actually lose? Oh my god. This is like the first time I've seen him lose since 4 months I've been looking at his matches

  • @TadasheMCp
    @TadasheMCp Рік тому +1

    Lowko loco know about the zerg nexus and the zerg probe.

  • @Erebus2075
    @Erebus2075 Рік тому

    43:24 true but serral played suboptimal ^^

  • @jijenikkke
    @jijenikkke Рік тому

    That was sick

  • @wojurera3131
    @wojurera3131 Рік тому +3

    MaxPax ComPletely Dominated serral, lol, get owned serral 😂🤣

  • @BrickMasion
    @BrickMasion Рік тому

    Nerd chills, Max Pax is our Protoss!

  • @axron1
    @axron1 Рік тому

    bedankt

  • @chikendoodle1628
    @chikendoodle1628 Рік тому

    Wait a minute, i thought maxpax was just serral's offrace? Something is right here... hold while I get my red string and tackboard... i have a mystery to solve

  • @frankwhite2072
    @frankwhite2072 Рік тому

    I haven't heard PartinG's name in forever.

  • @Jhorsma
    @Jhorsma Рік тому +3

    so that you know Lowko, Serral needs to start his military service before his 29th birthday.

    • @Thulgore
      @Thulgore Рік тому

      He's Finnish.......I would almost view his mind to have already for any threats russia might bring. =P

    • @ferallhamster970
      @ferallhamster970 Рік тому +1

      @@ThulgoreFinland has mms as well

  • @PeekabooEUDK
    @PeekabooEUDK Рік тому

    Proud to be from Denmark :D

  • @brianrice4102
    @brianrice4102 Рік тому

    MaxPax ok one of my favorites
    vs
    Serral oh damn I am so in!

  • @ned4325
    @ned4325 Рік тому +1

    Max is a god with stasis

  • @benjaminengslev4261
    @benjaminengslev4261 Рік тому

    As someone not that knowledgeable about SC2, is there a reason why protoss don't finish off the lings caught in stasis?

    • @hivetech4903
      @hivetech4903 Рік тому +1

      You can't attack units in stasis. As far as waiting for them to be out of stasis, it might be more important to be elsewhere.

  • @darkwazp
    @darkwazp Рік тому

    Please everyone, write to the Danish Royal family to allow the prince to play offline!

  • @upload5622
    @upload5622 Рік тому

    I still can't believe he can play both sides at the same time, how does he do it?

  • @Free2hateme
    @Free2hateme Рік тому

    I started watching it and i know allready it is biased contest! :)

  • @ownlabs
    @ownlabs Рік тому

    Safe and sound Protoss still around ✊

  • @Dylan13Nessman
    @Dylan13Nessman Рік тому

    I love maxpax, but can he be considered the best protoss when he does no live events (which seem to feature everyone bringing out their best) I don't know.
    Either way, I enjoy his games

  • @solomonjenkins9505
    @solomonjenkins9505 Рік тому

    This is the protoss I should be emulating I suppose

  • @anthonylaine6111
    @anthonylaine6111 Рік тому +1

    Wow j adore max pax il réussi même à battre serral le dieux de StarCraft ❤️❤️❤️🤩🤩🤩

  • @mostafapanahi8923
    @mostafapanahi8923 Рік тому

    Great cast man ur voice was fine. I dont think that in the pro gamers level, the skill difference is too much.

  • @feliperuiz2808
    @feliperuiz2808 Рік тому

    Mickey mouse Lowko is a treaure of humanity, love u man, so funny HAHAHHAH

  • @dom6584
    @dom6584 Рік тому

    11:20 it was +2 and +3 upgrades... maybe fix?

  • @deverostv5046
    @deverostv5046 Рік тому

    maxpax is my new hero

  • @robinspanier7017
    @robinspanier7017 Рік тому

    maxpax on highest difficulty can outplay everyone if it chooses to