MaxPax's MACRO TEMPEST Build vs Clem! (StarCraft 2)
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2024
- StarCraft 2 tournament finals between Clem and MaxPax. This best-of-5 series was played during the ESL Open 222 Europe and features two of the best European pro gamers face off against each other.
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I can’t watch any other sc2 streamer. You’re the only one with a good combination of voice, game breakdown, and extra content/banter. I’ve watched every upload since you first popped up in my feed. Thanks for the entertainment
Same here. I also like Harstems iodis and gameshow videos though
Winter is fun too. I like all 3 of them.
I really enjoy uthermal for live and pov gameplay, he does some crazy challenges as well. I think he’s worthy of a shout-out too.
Just Lowko and Hastem for me. Winter too clickbaity titles are tad annoying.
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Literally my favorite intro to "sing" along with. Love it.
Sooooo cringe
@@quintus920 Go ahead, cringe, I've seen what makes you cheer.
Yup , also love the intro.
27:15 You just described the whole problem with PvT. Protoss has to rely in coin flip units while Terran just disintegrates everything with the same army composition every game.
when 15 vikings can destroy an entire sky toss army, and you can make 2 of them at a time and they are cheaper than all skytoss units. XD its so stupid, literally all you do to counter skytoss is emp the entire army which nukes 50% of their hp, and then you a move with your vikings. Its So stupid tbh, oh and vikings have the longest range ever
@@YoungbloodEric With that reductionist logic, all you have to do is storm the vikings and blink under them. Yeah, the counter to a thing should probably be good against it.
There are so many whiny metal league Protoss players now who have no objectivity. No, it doesn't "just disintegrate everything" lol. If you actually pay attention to that late game, Terran often has an army comp with more different types of units than Protoss. Liberators often get instantly destroyed for next to no value, Disruptors are coin flippy. Deal with it.
@@aMANnamedChris70 Except the range of storm is the same range as vikings so you cant actually get them close enough without forcing them away from your air army, and then theyre dead already. Cant warp prism them in either because one shot by vikings again.
@@aMANnamedChris70still shouldn't combined arms and 5 actions to kill 3-5 of the cheapest air unit terran can field. For anyone that isn't a pro player or wants to play casually it's extremely infuriating to see your entire maxed out army get melted my 20 supply of Emps and Vikings with no recourse because I'm not a pro
EMP is OP. I remember a video where Lowko talks about the sound effects of spell casters. It really makes you think that some attacks are more powerful than others. I saw a video about the sound effects of guns in FPS games. Even when the stats of the weapons are the same, players usually perform better with the gun that has a stronger sound. I totally think it's the case with EMP. Because it doesn't have a strong sound effect, usually we don't realize how powerful it is. Storms, on the other hand, look way more devastating.
It has nothing to do with optics or sound, emp is simply way more powerful then storm. It does instant damage, it drains energy (so it's like storm plus feedback) and it reveals invisible units. If that's not op I don't know what is.
@@bigstreetguns6619 "Oh yeh lets just make it nuke spell casters, invis people and anyone with a shield" ... "Man why cant protoss do good against ghosts"
AND THEN THEY MAKE IT LAUNCH NUKES HAVE A MASSIVE DMG ABILITY AND INVIS??????? like what.... theres just so much wrong with ghosts, they gave them 10 too many abilities
the difference of dealing damage instantly with 0 cast time and dealing damage over 3 sec with cast time is so huge it's not even comparable, optics or not
Learn a build order.
@@bigstreetguns6619 to be honest, I didn't know about the damage! LOL! so its way worse than I thought.
Lowko spent the first 2 mins of the third game talking about random stuff and honestly, that was my favorite part of the video. You're hilarious 😂
It allways hurts to just see a bunch of vikings decimate the entire protoss fleet.
There is literally nothing in the air that Vikings trade unfavourably to, they don’t have a single bad matchup
@@laureloneiros1500 skill issue
@@laureloneiros1500 Vipers.
@@polca4lovejoke? Vikings evaporate vipers
Very happy with these longer games, means I don't have change videos while I'm on my rowing machine. Great job Lowko!
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39:17 marine bleeding out on the ground, gasping for breath with blood spitting out of his mouth: "... wait... I- I just... found a shield... in... in my backpa-" *dead*
Every f***ing time i hear this intro it puts me in the best of moods! Thank you for your hard work your casts are absolutely incredible!
Another great cast, thanks very much!
The real buff protoss need is a terran nerf to the ghost's EMP... it's kinda frustrating to loss all shield to a single EMP shot, no matter the radius of it
EMP should just be energy, should not include shields at the minimum
Maybe decrease the radius of effect, but don't destroy ghost play
Even a nerf to ghost health would be great. They are absurdly tanky for their size.
From the Terran perspective it's a thank goodness I can deshield that protoss death ball!
16:00 I imagine MaxPax sitting on his bed in the evening like the wolverine meme with a picture of blink stalkers in his hand
Love a good MaxPax v Clem game. Two of my absolute favorites. Great cast as always Lowko!
I hear the jingle I like instantly
Feels like with this level of micro on Protoss, Force Field + Purification Nova is going to be one hell of a combo.
42:10 That prism is the avatar. When the world needed him most.
Hey when I was a kid there was no internet, we survived but I must say it’s a lot better today. I’m 62 by the way, never grew up.
Thank you for the video, Lowko. Your intro always puts a smile on my face.
Clem vs MaxPax is my favorite matchup, thank you for these amazing games Lowko !
Holy crap, you had an encounter with ball lightning! That's like winning a negative lottery lol, it's ultra rare. Glad that your family survived that encounter, it's reportedly very unpredictable
ooooooh! A MaxPax game *and* the OG intro?!?
thanks Lowko!
hahahaha, that misclick mule and MaxPax's reaction was good!
During WoL my step son wanted to play SC2 with me and he didn't knew much of the game. I had so much fun dropping MULE in his base and he was panicking because he thought he was being rushed and about to die. 🤣
I always find Max very creative and full of initiative and Clem a very fully alive Terran player. Wonder how a match between them and Maru or Dark or Stats would be like. Amazing people.
Sometimes we get lost in elegance, Clem threw a few too many units away in smaller groups and the good old F2A for MaxPax
I'm just 22 years old now this month, but the fact that it was several years ago that lowko regularly uploaded videos of him playing games, and that it was many years ago that he first started casting games makes me feel old already. Hahaha xD
Edit: The classic intro was nice! :D
1:30: I love it xD
3:35: Oof. 5 gold-miners too. Not good.
5:10: And then the accidental Mule! Cleam destroying his own eco =o
9:10: I can't believe that worked. Half the Storms hit nothing but a Tank...
13:30: So many 1-for-1 trades already!
20:20: Yikes. That may be buying time but it's still 800 minerals thrown away for a couple Marine kills...
21:08: Ouch.
24:55: Colossi, Disruptor, DT, Tempest... He wants it all!
26:45: Aaaand there goes half the army.
29:10: How TF is he still in this, after losing half his army for free and being way down in eco? I guess it helps when half Clem's army isn't with the other half.
29:45: KABOOOM BABY!!
31:37: At some point, every Protoss feels the weight of their Disruptor's sins and sacrifices them to the Karma gods.
39:00: Wow, that was excellent from Max =0
44:00: Mmmm, yummy storms =) Wild how it keeps looking like Max is outplaying but the supply tells another story!
46:30: Everywhere but on the Terran, it looks like! Can't believe Clem survived that. If Max had just sent some Zealots into the expansions...
1:02:00: Well, alright then.
Should be "L'explosion des centaires du command" or something.
I always have the impression that whenever we analyze the Protoss, they always seem weaker than the others and ultimately have no advantage. If we look at the units: adept, sentry, DT, carrier, tempest, void ray, phoenix are generally weak in the meta. Zealots are effective with upgrades, stalkers are good for poking, but they have low DPS in fights, which creates awkward moments where stalkers try to destroy 20 Vikings but not only fail to do so, but also cause the Protoss to lose the ground battle. Immortals are broken, but 2 immortals against 50 roaches or 20marines/10marauders ... well disruptors are a better choice.
It takes a lot of resources to destroy a Terran base, whereas an 8 marine drop can wreak havoc. It's impossible to poke; zealots will focus on the PF and die. Sending DTs? Terran will scan and it's over. Whereas if a Terran sends a ghost, if the Protoss hasn't placed a cannon, it's inevitably 5-10 probe kills for 1 ghost.
Terran/Zerg can produce 4 Vikings/30 seconds, 999 corruptors/29 seconds for 3 carriers/69 seconds. Vikings and corruptors are versatile, excellent range and effective against ANY type of flying unit(except mass muta, but who really plays mass muta).
I won't talk about ghosts; we already know the recipe.
In short, the main reason Protoss win is often either by chance, creating unexpected situations, or by punishing their opponent's mistakes/creating chaos.
stfu protoss can just a move evertything and their units are disgustingly op, other race have to micro everything perfectly then protoss just do the same shitty army comp and a move to the other side of the map. fucking disgusting braindamaged race.
Finally Lowko is back
Thanks for the classic intro - I needed that today 💙
Where is the thumbnail from? I can't find where it shows that many tempests in game
Carriers should regen interceptors at baseline, but you can pay minerals to speed it up.
THE intro , nicee
So Basically Lowko's house got EMP'd
I do believe the Tempest could use a couple of changes, just to make it a bit more responsive. It can feel a bit sluggish right now.
That feeling when you realize you have five or six workers just chilling next to your CC/Hatch/Nexus... God it hurts 😂
That last game was sick, MaxPax realizing that after ***SPOILERS*** killing two medivacs full of units, killing the contents on the third, and knowing that it would take time for fourth one full of units to get back, it was the right time to strike at Clem's base: You can literally see on the minimap that he's sending everything he got at Clem. Clem got off a nice emp at the frontline of archons towards the end, but it was too little too late. What a game.
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Grew up without the internet. It were simpler times.
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EMP is aoe instant dmg vs Protoss, instant aoe feedback, and also detection when Terran already has other easy detection options. It is very OP specifically vs Protoss and it is why Terran has been destroying Protoss in major tournaments for the last decade. The Zerg v Protoss matchup is more balanced, no major bias. The Zerg v Terran again is balanced. But EMP is a major hard counter vs Protoss as it negates their Dark Templars, High Templars, and does heaps of instant dmg to Protoss army.
36:45 Ah yes, and as we all know, MaxPax being a Stalker (the sc2 unit, not the other kind) only has 4!
I was in Ijmuiden like two weeks ago, I’ve neve seen so much lightning in my entire life.. like surrounded my lightning strikes
Aaaaand about the Internet, I was born in 1991 and I was 15 when we got internet in our house.. 😅
The voices in my head are getting louder - Lowko 2024
Im a simple man. I see Clem v MaxPax. I like. I watch.
Spoilers zergs are fast with little legs 🦵
I like laughn games when he casts bots, but im also into bots😂
damn the new maps are so interesting i actually hope they take a bit longer to swap around this time
When will we get some partinG?
Its curious how maxpax seems to get vastly better engagements with the same units, but i think i get it. Normal protoss players think of "front zealots, stalkers next" and everyone engages at the same time. Seems smart, but the two forces drift apart and zealots die for no benefit. Maxpax rolls in "stalkers first, zealots next" and in retrospect it makes a ton of sense. The stalkers mix into enemy ranks, splitting spash damage, baiting friendly fire, but most importantly they absorb the first wave of attacks on shields. The zealots swoop in with full hp, taking the aggro off the stalkers, and bring superior DPS to clean up. Its like starting with blink pikemen, then relieving them with charge cavalry.
Imagine that last fight without emp...would have been near even...
I always thought the zealot hand weapons were modeled after the Predator .
By the way Lowko, MaxPax so far is actually up on Clem 5-4 so far in 2024. Though at the end of 2023 from October 23rd to November 20th Clem beat MaxPax 7 times in a row and in general in 2023 Clem was up 34-21.
what are the three circles on the top right in the begging of the video
they're for Dutch viewers, in accordance to Dutch law, I believe, for minors
*from the description*
Kijkwijzer (Dutch viewer guide): 6, violence, fear
@@Spartsou thank you for the clarification :)
i gave a like for that supervillain lighting story
I heard isl 222 and i thought "what? A game from the 2022? Whyyyy?" And replay it like 3 times until i get it 😂😂😂... im not the brightest human in the morning 😅
27:35 Clem BMing by destroying imposter medivac
So wait, the series was finished with an F2 A-move? XD
Which unit is The protos siege unit. Like the tank and lurker.
Tempest I think
Back in the days, it was colossus, but then they got nerfed like crazy.
Then it was tempest, which barely do more DPS than a stimed marine.
Then tempest damages against buildings got doubled, it's still tickle damage.
The reliable AoE DPS is supposed to be the colossus, but it is highly vulnerable and do half the DPS of a siege tank while costing double supply and ressources and having 3 less range plus firing in a weird shape.
The BIG problem protoss have, IMO, is the place an ultimately unreliable and unfun for everyone unit take in their power budget : the disruptor. Which resumes in itself the protoss situation : big front loaded alpha strike, very low DPS on very vulnerable units. That and them not having an all purpose anti-air option unlike zerg and terran. It hurt them a lot to have to rely on a 2pop unit with mediocre damage (stalker have less DPS than queens against most targets and barely more against armored) for air defense (plus their static defence being crap).
though i am definetly not on the high end of players, i feel protoss is still missing something. To me, it feels like Z&T have high value end-game spells that are always viable in aggressive playstyle, with EMP, Abduction, Snipe, Neural - even mass raven with turret and global teleport of BCs. Whereas P seems to have the mothership which IMO is barely ever getting a return on investment of, since you only get ever 1 and thus its basically always sniped.
Of the aggressive spells, well there is Feedback, but it's rather defense / count of other casters, really - and Storm - both of which comes from the same unit and feels odd to move along with the skytoss.
So, I'd be curious if ie. Oracle gets a spell - though some say we've get enough - maybe move feedback to the oracle, or give it a spell, like the sentry bubble, but one that provides movement-/turning speed for a short time of near units. Guess would break voidray & oracle combo in some way.
And a thing i always wanted to see… that the oracle should become a detector - and ditch the observer. The raven can be an detector too, but an oracle cant?
It should be possible to micro out of EMP like it is for protoss AOE attacks
The BM joke @ 5:19 generated a genuine question. Considering that sometimes there are tens of thousands of dollars in prizes in the line, are there any true beefs between pro players?
I think Lowko has mixed up the definition of lightning and thunder?
If you live in the states and are worried about this happening to you, it should not if your house is properly grounded
“Hello Every…” - Me smashing the like button
MISS!!!
BM!!
lol
toss is so gimped compared to Terran and Zerg, and yet still find reasons to nerf it even more
44:38 You ok Lowko?
This is so pawggers!!!!
13:54 Omae wa mou shindeiru
Is dropping mules the SC2 equivalent of teabagging?
Jimmy the all knowing
Tempest splash damage please :)
Lowko - I'm not old, but man all that talk about your dad now I'm wondering. Maybe it's NOT true that you're only as old as you think you are, because I'm still a young kid who loves video games :)
Hello Lowko❤
MaxPax??? Tempest?? Old intro???? He mustve known i was having a bad day D:
I feel clickbaited, I saw no tempest fleet :/
Things are not the same without Serral !!
punished immediately lol
5 Scv on strike? what do you expect? we are French !! :p (i'm French also ^^)
thunder is not hitting anything XD lightning does XD
nice
Protoss feels bad always against terran....
zerg needs our proper banes back- why they never buff us were nnot all serral T.T
Temp in philippines is 35 😂 what's on yours?
to prove what you say is legit, show us Pub matches of seral and maxpax or reynor... whats their win percentage?
Scv on strike lmao
Pay your SCV's boys
now serral and dark are in military and we have the most T favoured mappool ever we will see the effect of the years of nerfs, T 87% winrate on dynasty is crazy, that's over a 1-5 winrate lol and there is not even a zerg map to counter pick now, oceanborn, amphion (hardlead 2.0), dynasty and ghost river are unplayable for Z, goldenaura is pretty awful if T turtles, crimson court is one big chokepoint that every T unit can just fly and fight around and Z has to spend 10 mins breaking rocks to stand a chance, alcyone is super easy to defend on for T, post youth may as well just say 'here's a giant buff to 2 base all ins and you never even have to leave your high ground', i just smurf with Z now because there is no point trying to play it properly at all anymore.
Spoiler Athena's shield : The Firstborn win
it's 2024, dude, not 2022
I disagree with you that toss is fine..😄 toss is NOT fine. Toss have been nerfed the last couple of years. Not a single buff. So you need insane macro and Micro to win as maxpax. If you dont have that your stuck in low diamond forever
A Protoss crushes the Rank 2 player on Earth and Protoss players won't stop whining 😂
You know absolutely nothing about this game. I got to Masters Protoss with an average 90-100apm.... "insane macro and micro" what...? Lol. Low Diamond players haven't even learned a build order yet, they refuse to learn how this game works because they're lazy.
Look at the pro balance stats over the past couple years. The graph shows you PvZ being the most IMBA in a decade against Zerg, so what are you actually talking about?
Ever since this game went free to play a bunch of kids picked it up who think they're playing lol or something. They naturally go for Protoss because its the cool tech race, but they're just too lazy to learn a build order which is the only way you improve.
How come Tempest is the worst unit?
Do the rawr.
The almost endless scanning in the lategame being such an unfair advantage for Terran might be the issue, in my opinion
Instead of looking at unit's I think the (mass) Orbital command's should be looked at, if anything
I don't get it, what's so bad about that mule thing?
If it’s intentional, rather than a missclick, it’s showing that you think you’re so much better than your opponent (or so far ahead) that you think you can give them resources and still easily win.
A mule mines around 200 minerals, so you basically waste that amount of resources
Lowko why do you keep commenting on balance, when you are a Zerg player? I find your constant "protoss don't need buffs" when protoss haven't won a major tourney in like forever infuriating.
According to wiki Protoss has been far more successful than Terran in the Majors in the past 6 months, what are you talking about? In the Premieres they've been as successful as Terran, only getting runne-up.
Its not possible to balance a game isn't balanced around the top 8 in the Premeres obviously dude 😂🤣
gg