StarCraft 2: MASS Battlecruiser vs MASS Carrier! (TY vs Classic)
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2023
- Best-of-3 series of high level StarCraft 2 from the GSL Code S between Classic (Protoss) and TY (Terran). This series starts off on NeoHumanity where TY decides to play a Turtle Terran style and go straight up to Terran Mech into Battlecruisers.
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Thumbnail so good I had to click!
Thank you, no one has ever done this before
Advanced Ballistics fired 😂
Yes, great work on the thumbnail!
@@LowkoTVWinterStarcraft get a room you two 🥰🍌😘 😋😆
I was about to point out the similarities 🤣
Lowko: all roads lead to marines and marauders
Ty: where we’re going we don’t need roads
Lowko: ghost would be amazing..ghost needed..where is the ghost?
TY: *10 more BCs* 💀
Omfg that was so sick TACTICAL jump! Such a devastating pincer maneuver.
Humm reminds me of the latest winter thumbnail 😂
Terrans, unorthodox as they may be, do in fact have a better fleet than Protoss. I mean, It's not every day that you see tactical jump force out a mass recall.
No, it's clearly underpowered. Terran traded like 15 ability casts for 1!!1one!1
Ironic since protos's pride and joy is the "golden amada"
I feel like the Viking is what does it which makes sense from a navy perspective you need air to air fighters too and carriers and not built for that
@lunkycultist5519 honestly I feel Protoss has the worst endgame army, which is weird since Protoss is supposed to be about big strong expensive units but Terran and Zerg air can both crush an endgame Toss army. If a Protoss doesn’t win in the first 20ish minutes they’re pretty much screwed
@@michaelbrock6255yeah Vikings are insanely good anti air for Terran. It’s the range and single target high damage that works perfectly against carriers, void rays, and tempests.
I always thought TY was the best Terran. His style is sort of like how Dark plays. Feeling the moment
I would be down to watch TY in SC:BW if he's playing in a tournament.
TY is a fantastic player. Also, love the thumbnail, lol!
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I'm still figuring out who called the fleet
Is it just me, or is the only viable Protoss counter to mass BC currently: "Don't let Terran get to mass BC"?
Technically, mass Tempest / Mothership shit all over BCs. If you can get that, you can kill the BC fleet. Good luck surviving long enough to get enough of them though, since Tempests lose to literally everything else. :(
@@ZCasavant not true, battle cruisers can just teleport on top of tempests like with the carriers. You can try to mass recall but at some point you mess up or you run out of mass recall when you don't time it right, the Terran will eventually catch you when it's on cooldown.
@victorchen5663 It's not perfect I know. But nothing else really works when the BC fleet gets big. For supply, equal Tempests can fight BCs even if they get jumped on - with a bit of micro. The trick is not losing them to Vikings or even Marines, and you need a Mothership for the extra recalls. Creator does this to great effect vs TY, you can watch that series to see what I mean. In this game, Classic loses because Carriers are garbage vs BCs.
@@ZCasavant Which many terran players wouldn't just only build BCs at the high level. They are not gonna go 20+ BCs with 0 vikings since they will get sniped by mass tempests. However, the right balance between BCs and Vikings is pretty much unbeatable by Protoss' end game army.
@Whalery Yeah, I know. It's tough. Also, Ravens make it even worse. Late game advantage definitely goes to SkyTerran overall.
Lowko: “Queens only cost 150 gas each”
Zerg eco pretty imba huh?
i'm guessing the previous video of ty vs classic got less views for 2 reasons: 1) its a tvp, 2) current viewer base may be less familiar with older players, especially considering they couldn't compete for about 2 years both. On the other hand I personally loved seeing them back and once again was amazed by how good they are still, after 2 years of military. Koreans are just built different when it comes to gaming i guess
Sad thing those talents have to rot for 2 years when they're at their finest
Those Space Marines 43:13 have seen so much that they no longer scared of anything.
give tempest upgrade massivly increased splash dmg. volly from tempest hitting a viking cloud would be far more meaningful and provide a counter to turtle terran for protoss. would also have a similar impact against corrupters.
You know one thing i'd love to see TY? i little bit of REPARO over here 26:05
maybe a little bit avada kedavra next game.
Im so happy to see Battle Cruisers throughout the whole game!
A literal showcase of why it’s time Protoss is buffed..we can’t afford to be destroyed (or else opponent is hugely up) due to being expensive but then weaker or at the most the same strength of units as other races particularly Terran. Map can play a role but then it just emphasizes how much more op Terran is by allowing more resources for both therefore widening the gap. Carrier nerf was the problem
Carriers haven't even been nerfed though. They're just as powerful as they were back in 2021 and that says something.
@@admiralmurphy1543 they were nerfed-instead of other units defaulting to attacking interceptors they now attack carriers directly. This provided carriers with some coverage so they didn’t just die within a few seconds to mass corruptor or Vikings. Ever since that patch they became significantly worse
@@brandontobias1138 Not that simple. Players have abused that in carrier rushes. Flying the capital ship closer to units like Hydras to make sure they don't lose interceptors. In which case the two base Hydra player would certainly prefer to pick off interceptors than lose 8 hydras for only hull damage.
@@admiralmurphy1543 that may be true but the change still rendered carriers nearly useless versus mass corrupter which is now the standard way Zerg deals with carriers as is supremely evident in the video above
@@brandontobias1138 it was the standard and intended way to counter carriers beforehand. Making anti skytoss units more effective was a popularly requested change, and carriers have still seen effectiveness on account of their sheer damage output which was unchanged. And when it comes to a matchup like mass BC/Vikings I don't think carriers alone should ever be enough as they tend to compete well against either one alone.
I agree that protoss isn't in a good state ATM. But in this series Classic demonstrated some clear complacency and misplays.
The thumbnail is on point!
Battlecruisers are ACTUAL capital ships. They are good in both small and large numbers and have a powerful "ultimate weapon" in the Yamato cannon. They can move around the map or retreat quickly and have a great deal of skill expression in their micro.
Carriers are garbage in comparison. Their attack is literally automated in a way that makes controlling it difficult or, in some cases, actively harmful. The carrier itself is a complete sitting duck with no way to move about quickly or defend itself. Slow and expensive, they further drain resources by having to produce interceptors that can be shot down, rendering the carrier itself useless.
I really don't understand how Protoss, the high-tech race of psionic warrior-monks, have such a terrible capstone unit, especially in comparison to what the other races have.
1. Carriers cost less gas (extremely important thing).
2. Carriers take less time to produce with Chrono Boost.
3. Carriers need less structures (Rax → Factory → Starport → Tech Lab → Fusion Core VS Gate → Cybercore → Stargate → FBeacon).
4. Comes outta 3rd: you can spam Carriers easier than you can spam BCs since you don't need to attach Tech Labs to each Stargate, thus need even less gas.
5. Saved gas is used on a Sentry which effectively reduces incoming BC DPS by 1/3rd given the equal upgrades.
6. But yes, Carriers are flimsy. BCs are way more independent.
@@cyberkekosis Yes, I get that Battlecruisers are more expensive and take forever to build; the difference in building requirements is trivial because every Terran is DEFINITELY building a Starport, even if only for Medivacs.
My POINT is that Carriers should be a similar unit, with higher cost, longer build time, and a powerful ability upgrade similar to the Yamato Cannon.
@@Josh-99 I agree but I consider Carriers needing a speed upgrade (not for free of course) rather than a new ability
if Carriers could outpace Vikings and BCs and only lose to the fastest flyers (such as Phoenices and Speedbanshees) this will make all the sense
so my suggestion (TBD of course) is to make Interceptors more dangerous (+1 or +2 base damage which is +20 or +40 percent DPS respectively) and make the speed upgrade for, say, 200/200@79s also making Carrier's gas cost higher (250 to 275) and build time longer (64 to 71)
range upgrade would also come in handy but it's definitely gonna end up OP if not adjusted correctly
The thumbnail is hilarious
Nice job
Hey, a new terran to fanboy on. It was Bunny, Byon, then Maru and now finally TY. He's playing so terran-ly. Look at these defences scattered through all map! Every square meter taken is covered with widow mines/missle turrets/liberators/tanks/bunkers as a first action. Trench warfare as it is.
Neohumanity needs to be changed so it has one big center base with rich minerals and rich vespene, that forces players to fight over it. So if you turtle you will lose, since the other player will get more resources.
Tbh we just need a new map pool
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Honestly: Protoss is the weakest pro-play race
I said it
Has been for a long time, at least the least consistent.
21:10 "This base got un-de-re-destroyed"
The first game has to be my favourite game ever, its what starcraft should be
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Sometimes I get down and depressed, the upside is I build up a backlog of Lowko Videos!
Ty is ... Awesome!
Lowko: So if Classic loses this particular match...
Me: *(checks the video time) yep he loses :D
What should Classic have done? Skytoss is supposed to be the hammer and he could only use it while TY had his fleet elsewhere. Tempests barely scratch upgraded Terran flying units and can't retreat or out manoeuvre anything. The Protoss army is so slow and needs to remain balled up; It can't retreat or out manoeuvre anything (sans mass recall). BattleCruisers are better than any Protoss unit and can individually teleport anywhere on the map on a cooldown half that of Recall.
If he felt like it, TY could have just teleported cruisers to and from each of Classic's bases over and over and there's essentially nothing that Classic could have done to stop him.
Contrary to popular belief, turtles are not strictly aquatic! In fact, they are the broader term encompassing all aquatic and terrestrial turtles, including tortoises! All tortoises are turtles but not all turtles are tortoises. Sincerely, a box turtle keeper.
The thumb nail is gold laughed at it all day
Jeeze Game one was insane
I think you mean that TY IS to be reckoned with. He's not to be trifled with.
More protoss getting owned left and right. Its so rare to see a Protoss win in these games.
Omg that was game 1?! I thought the video was over wow amazing game
Genius thumbnail :D
That thumbnail is on another level
That's pro level 'UA-cam face'
LOWKO WHAT ARE THOSE ICONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MATCH?
Sick games! TY is making a comeback
what a good thumbnail
20:43 Lowko swaps from watching a DT killed by SCVs to show us a storm upgrade. Sadge
apparently, it was too graphic for the protoss :P
best Thumbnail Admiral Lowko
Frankly seeing all these turrets make me think of sc1, the 3 factory also lol
Love your vids
I think the lower views were lack of name recognition or it being TvP. Or people were busy and don't make a habit of watching EVERY LowkoTV video while working out like some of us ^_^
Those offensive tactical jumps though! TY def still has what it takes.
love the thumbnail
9:41 could have been 9 zealots as is or could have been 3 pylon, 3 shieldbat and 2 photons... but yer... i see how these 9 zealots was suppose to give the impact of having such a powerfull recharge station to keep attacking in from with blink.... ehem..
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did i mention i am LITEREALLY learning the entire sc2 bot api framework to created a bot that can test all this out; bc my apm is terrible and i dont want to play undrugged :P)
add that prism and those 4 zealots as well 9:36 and we got a defence off
4 shieldbat, 5 pylon, 4 photons; supported by stalkers and stalkers able to constantly recharge on it... sooo much more worth than throwing away 13 zealots and 1 warpprism for a few workers and some apm attention in a situation where it doesnt matter.
(and bf anyone says, he killed 13 svc's and left 70+ and ton of orbitals... why even do scv harass at that point? T will happily trade 2 scv for 1 zealot all day everyday... P will lose if they even do 1 zealot for 3-4 scv's at this stage....;
the push right after that Should Have been backed up with 6 shieldbats, 4 pylons and 3 pohotons, to recharge them again and again as they traded super well.... they took out 7 scv's in comparison and wasn't even trying hard... if that army had that much backup of heals it would chip away on it constantly, trying to pull it into fighting within your many many shieldbats ^^
12:15 that's where he should have had that nice defensive setup; and wouldn't that just be wonderfull with 6 shieldbat healing his big HIGH shield capital shields again and again and again; ow yer and they outrange you too with tempest; so you gotta jump on them, and surely those 800 floating minerals could be turned into extr pylons, photons and shield bats. giving you a position with capital ships hanging on top within shooting range off not one but TWO important T position with an insanely heavy defence under them off;
8shield batteries(that's one per capital ship GL), 7 pylons (so no sniping pylons to unpower), 5 photon cannons (left alone it adds up dmg really fast to have 5 off them just hammering whatever is fighting above or supporting from below; a few archons in the mix and it becomes ridiculess to break; and you can just push and creep up forever with making more and more of such wide defenses as you push forward; for every viking you kill without losing anything you make another pylon or battery, for every capital you make a few photons and you keep pushing like that forever (yes ghost can emp; but if ghost are using their emps on spreadout shieldbats which you should have tons off; then they can't use it on the actual fight which is worth; pre-emptively emptying out energy has always been a tactic to T op energy users; like we've all seen the snipe ability used on 22 zerglings in a row late late game xD so yer, on anythiing :P
12:36 finally he puts up some prep for static here; but it should already be an awesome defensive spot if he hadn't wasted so many zealots etc. on pressuring ty's apm; as if it would break him :P
13:10 oww how wouldn't it be nice to have 1 battery healing each carrier and 5 photons support shooting those vikings while you actually micro the dmg carriers back over more defenses.... seriously why no static out on map Ever for P... it seems like such a wasted
Best thumbnail 😂
Fun fact: the battlecrusiers have no more real commanders they all died during the great war the battlecruisers were took over by pirates
The frase would be "rapidly dissassembled".
TY is on a whole different level of gameplay
I hoped that this video was actually Lowko turning evil
Nice template got some budget for FX 😉
first game looked like one of my diamond games is super hard to poke with the tempest to the bc you need constant production of observers and oracles bc terrans are a pain lol really bad positioning with those tempest i would had gone tempest- phoenix -oracle and a hit squad of void rays
phoenixes vs bc... thats deffo trash. the only unit that can counter mass BC lategame if there are no thors, is mass voidray with speed. They can run away if you get tele on, but prismatic allignment shreds through BC if you have enough, yamato 1 shots voids so you need mass mass void to keep 1 shotting BC one at a time.
Once the terran realises this, and he makes thors, you are basically dead however.
Classic definitely got the most work done with his gateway units in this series.
Lowko MVP!
So, since battlecruisers take 7 1/2 years to produce, does that mean, a carrier only takes 7 1/4? xD
1:09 Lowko I think Harstem might have posted that game a bit before you.
Welcome back TY
So what is the official Lowk- approved playlist for Hellions then?
23:45 the kind of fights I wanna see..... 🎆🎆🎇🎇🎆🎆
I would of went straight to the pylons with Stargates to end it.
@LowkoTV are you going to Blizzcon this year?
Unless there's something StarCraft related and they ask me to come, probably not.
Mass battle cruisers is always appealing!!
Nice
Protoss are so outclassed right now, it makes me sad. Its painful to watch their slow deaths in almost every match. Please buff them.
Absolutely agreed. Plot twist: The Blizzard is ruled by Amon and he doesn't want them to be more powerful.
LowKo eats a COUPLE of boogers.
2 losses in 2 days. Poor Classic
I don't see any sensor tower at the 9minute mark yet. Am I blind?
1:40 I don't play the game, but I watch a load of it, I keep seeing these grid things on the floor like at the bottom left and I have no idea what they do, they look so out of place to just be scenery but I don't ever see anyone interact with them, so what are they?
I think the real killer there is the fact that Viking 100% counter Carriers. they're also faster and cheaper. They Also counter Colossus. and standard marine medivac counter everything else protos does...
Seems quite like it, yeah. Still, no end game unit has the potential to just appear over your main out of thin air and then disappearing again 71s later. Tactical jump is slept on.
Much pew pew. I likes. I watch.
When was BC energy removed?
How expensive is repairing an almost destroyed BC compared to building a new one?
If I recall right, it's like 25% the cost of a new unit.
Who call in the Fleet? =D
I didn’t know you can’t feedback carriers. That’s wrong
How is possible, asocial nolifer Harstem have these pro games earliest?
Imagine: Protoss players whining about difficult to deal with clumps of units. The sweet sweet irony.
TY could just win after destroying protoss fleet. Go and kill his bases.
how is he being a turtle when he is pushing 16+ BC’d? that’s 20k in resources attacking and over 100 supply
He is. Massive defense, fleet waiting for command, then fly over to destroy a Nexus (pushing out the turtle's head) and then retreat, rarely confront the opponent directly.
However I admit TY is one of the least passive Terran players out there.
Buff Protoss
21:17
So it got destroyed by DeeDee?
Maybe I'm biased. I like Terran victories the best.
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TY KILLIN IT
Someone make an mmm ok counter
23:50
raven ghost aren't good against mass ling.
NTFT = NERF the frikkin' Terran.
I managed to beat a BT fleet once using a Stalker-Tempest combination, but it required a huge micro and even some hallucinations.
BTs become annoying, so you send your army against them - and then they disappear. And again and again. Some work to be done for Blizzard.
Only Serral videos are bangers.
Terran 1-2-3 punches are awesome....
Never been this early!
Terran broken. BCs need longer cooldown and viking should do less damage to armored flying units.
Also, Terran lift should not be so easy to just lift a CC to a next expansion.
TY just taking it slow...
I can’t speak for everyone, but whenever you say you have already seen a match but are casting it anyway I kinda lose interest.
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