At this point, discussing politics in any form of art is inescapable. Thanks to the internet, anyone can find any information they need, and just choose which band they're going to listen to due their political views. But it also gives the opportunity for anyone to troll, get angry, and try to ruin your reputation for whatever stupid reason, or feeling the need to put anyone into an agenda, even if they have no idea how to back up their reasoning for anything they say. Negativity and hatred can be impactful for someone who doesn't know how to handle it, whether the attacks are intentional or not. We need more mature and level headed response videos like this!
It doesn’t help that there’s a whole culture of people on the internet who’s soul purpose is to ruin metal musicians lives over their political ideology. It makes me sick
And that’s honestly why I don’t even associate with people I know that are into the music, because I can’t discuss any band and the quality of their art without having to listen to what their ideologies are and how stupid they are and why I should listen to them and blah blah blah.
This is where it comes on how to handle situations like this, and just accept that eventually you'll come across people that try to cause harm. It really sucks though if it's out of your control, and haters and trolls end up winning.
Extreme metal can only thrive if extreme views are allowed. Censorship has no place in art and definitely not metal. Anyone who says otherwise does not belong in the scene.
That is a simpletons argument. We are not talking about how someone "thinks", we are talking about bands actively encouraging violence towards others and festivals like that shit in Ukraine that is literally used to get people to join their movement, as well as labels like WTC ran by actual Nazis. Enjoying music because you enjoy it is one thing, actively supporting people you KNOW are involved in some heinous shit is another. And before you even think about it, I use to rock a Thunderbolt shirt and still listen to Veles when the liberals get me riled up enough. Enjoy what you want, but I can guarantee most of you as you get older will start to think twice about what bands/labels you support. I'm going to go listen to some GG now...
Does no one remember punk? Does no one remember the anti war songs? Does no one remember the nazi punk movement? Does no one remember the right wing black metal festivals? Does no one remember motorhead? What about the sex pistols? The Ramones? Napalm death? Black flag? D.R.I.? DEAD KENNEDYS? Metal is supposed to be the antithesis of society, and the rules and laws they use to govern us with. Since the very inception of heavy music it's been that way. Hell it's been this way since goddamn Muddy Waters and fucking Elvis. Just a few years ago jungle rot was stopped by the US government from releasing a music video because it would "incite dissention". Cannibal corpse is still banned from countries. Fucking TIPPER GORE. Politics absolutely belongs in metal. It needs to be examined, and ridiculed as only this genre can do.
I could not agree more. Isn't that always the way with people haha. And who cares if someone in a band you enjoy doesn't share your particular political alignment. No one agrees with everyone all the time it's just silly.
“Metal is so political nowadays!” Didn’t Black Sabbath make a Anti Vietnam/Antiwar song in early 70s? With politics, I feel you really should enjoy media with different political messages, I can listen to a Billie Eilish song, then a Burzum song, watch an episode of Doctor Who and later read 12 rules for life of Jordan Peterson. By not sticking to one political viewpoint, you can gain better understanding of the world. And both Right and Left wingers are right on some points in my eyes. Though sure, I may seek out bands with similar political messages to mine and enjoy them, but I don’t see myself stopping to listen to bands that have opposing messages, if I like their songs, find this close minded.
Left - "the puppet on the left shares my beliefs" Right - "the puppet on the right shares my beliefs " Me - "wait! There's one guy holding both puppets!" Us government - "go back to bed America. Your government is in control"
A lot of people like to cry about "keeping politics out of metal," only when an artist has political views they disagree with. Freedom of expression is important, and everyone should be able to express their viewpoints as they wish in their artwork. Any sort of censorship in art always opens up a slippery-slope to more and more censorship in the long run. Water gang 🧊🧊🧊🧊💦💦💦💦🌊🌊🌊🌊💧💧💧💧
@@mauzer1769 NS Black Metal "NS" stands for the political ideology adopted by Germany during the 30's that I can't name else my comment would get deleted.
@Interfacer Black metal bands being "sketchy" only became an issue when people like Metalcucks found out that Mgla was signed to Northern Heritage and threw a big hissy fit over it. Before that people only gave a shit if a band was super out there like GBK was.
Egyptian Communist here... If you think a song is too extreme to ruin your ideology, then maybe the problem is with your ideology. Metal should be a safe haven for all the outsiders. Note: Forgotten Path by Dark Fury (NSBM Band) KICKS ASS
I agree when it comes to listening, not purchasing. Meaning who is the money directly going to? But you're a commie so you don't believe in money anyways haha just fucking with you.
I think one of the aspects of blackmetal music that makes it so magic is that blackmetal is not just music to be "entertained". (as you said it) Ask Jon Nodtvëit if he maked some music just to put it on your recordplayer to listen and be well "entertained". It is not just music, at least not for the artist. That is when the word "trve" get some sense. Black metal was about that from the beginning (at least of the second wave)
tbh I sometimes am made most uncomfortable by the politics I agree with in muisc. Whenever I listen to a song that is really really heavily preaching a political message I agree with, I feel like I am being pandered to and that makes me feel uncomfortable, I don't want the music I listen to to just reiterate things I already believe, but add to those ideas. Hearing a song that is all about how wars are bad because bleeeh is just kind of lame, I'd rather listen to something that provided a new perspective
of course there is dying fetus who mostly make songs about political violence even on their first two albums which came out all the way back in the late 90s and Megadeth who also are another prime example that everyone knows of a band with politically charged lyrics whose first album came out in 1985! during the so call golden age of metal
I really dislike it when non political bands start suddenly pushing out their politics through their band name For example, the dude behind violet cold just out of nowhere posted a extreme left antifa political post on his band page and also threw shit at the whole black metal genre (even though his music is blackgaze, a genre heavily inspired by black metal, funnily enough) And the band Stallion who had a killer debut album chose to release a anti fascist album filled with your standard “we’re the good guys, we hate fascists!” type of shit as their next album My opinion is that if your band isn’t politically focused, then don’t push out your political views through your band. I don’t care if they post their political shit on their private pages, as it’s their right to do so.
I personally love it when politics slip in different forms of art, not as serious activism, but as a provocation and way to experiment with different concepts and aesthetics, and the best is that you can be totally extreme in these experimental/provocative views from any side and not just from the right as people think it's the only place where a reaction can come from. The way some metal genres use politics as a gimmick and creative drive is one of the big reasons I enjoy them so much.
I'm of the opinion that art must express a philosophy. I think of philosophy as the thought process if that makes sense, and it manifests in things like art, politics, your way of life, etc. These "manifestations" all overlap from time to time, just as they're supposed to. To create metal you need some thought, if that makes sense. Without that thought, nothing can be created. But I agree, it's absolutely stupid when it becomes very preachy.
“Keep politics out of metal” Say the people who listen to NSBM, the genre with a political ideology in its name. This is not strawmanning, I see this a lot.
Lyrics are the cherry on top for me when it comes to metal. If the lyrics are intelligent and interesting it adds to the song, but as long as it's not stupid gore then it doesn't really matter to me/take away from the experience.
I can see how it can get annoying with that "personal agenda" you mentioned. Just make great music wether it's political or not. I love seeing how experimental and extreme music can get wether it's musically, aesthetically or political. Loved the skits you should keep em up they're quite funny and I can tell you out quite a bit of work into them. So keep up the great content.
I'm in two minds. Metal should be about saying what you want. Thats the draw of it right? It has no boundaries. However, I think certain genres in metal can lend themselves more to politics than others. I don't want to hear a black metal band writing albums about politics, because to me, Black metal should be about escapism and fantasy. Death metal can lend itself more to politics and has, bands like Sepultura and Gorefest and Napalm death, but no-one listens to death metal for escapism, unless you want to go back into Roman times and listen to ADE. What annoys me though is this new politically correct trend sweeping through metal. Metal was made to be offensive. I don't see how you can support political correctness, and then supporting a scene that has bands that sing about murder, rape, killing Christians, and then getting banned from certain countries. Which leads me onto my next annoyance. I've had politically correct metal friends have a go at me , defriend me for when I condemned Islam, and Islamists during the terror attacks . They didn't say a thing against the attacks on social media. I spoke about it, and got ganged up on. But I asked them, why is it you condemn me for saying stuff against Islam, or supporting some of the views from People like Tommy Robinson, yet you're quite happy to listen to and support bands that sing about killing Christians ? Its two faced.
Personally for me, I've always been very indifferent to the lyrics of a band _unless_ it really peeks my interest (Alcest, DsO, ect ect). And yeah, there are times where a band has shitty lyrics (GBK or Order of the Death's Head), but I tend to focus squarely on the music than anything else. I do at best consider myself apolitical, or at least center point and I'll admit I got shat on by leftists for disareeing with their obsessive posting on how the world sucks and shit like that, and I can guess you say I got shit on by right-wingers being center or simply disagreeing on _their_ high political soapboxes. Honestly I just wanna enjoy my entertainment in peace. Also I found _all_ the metal skits to be so damn hilarious, also the last part over you pointing out how people can't even look at a silly metal skit and laugh at their own political side due to their (unironically) political views is similar to how things have gotten in the fandoms I'm in (seriously, for a fandom founded on 4chan, it's gotten borderline cringy over assuming everything is right-wing...). Either way, great video on metal and politics, I'm rather surprised by the very apolitical and middle ground side!
@Nature's Revenge shitty as in their racist/nazi views. Not that their lyrics are terribly written. Plus when it comes to bands like GBK or OOTDH, I don't buy their music because I'm not gonna support that shit.
@@Reflechissant People are annoying enough to always bring up the fact Neige was in Peste Noire for 8-9 years and use that over his head to say he's a Nazi. Either that or obnoxiously bring up the Drudkh project or even the Saor collab. Somehow these things that he obviously did for monetary gain equates to him being a Nazi to these people.
I honestly wasn't offended by any of the skits. I had watched jreg's videos before so I was aware of the anti-centrist humor you were drawing from. I just don't find the skits very funny if I'm perfectly honest with you. My opinion on politics in metal lyrics is: Don't tell me what I should think, but make me think. And I guess your skits kind of accomplish that in a way. Life's to short to not be able to laugh at yourself. I think you might have taken it a step too far with the racism in metal skits, however, I was not personally offended by it because I knew where you were coming from. I think that racism should not exist in music but I can't stop people from listening to racist acts such as KPN if they so desire. I just don't like being preached at.
I'm with you on enjoying music for what it is. The way I see it, it should be less about a political message existing in the music, but rather about how well the idea is executed. That's why I'm able to enjoy artists like Rage Against the Machine, Rise Against, System of a Down, etc. despite being center-left. I only really draw the line when you're being preachy and/or dickish with your PR like what we saw with Chris Taylor Brown of Trapt (right) and Buddy Nielsen of Senses Fail (left), or if the music itself is just straight cringe like War On Women and the far-right equivalents that I'm sure exist. But other than that, I really don't think it's any use placing such hard emphasis on politics. Otherwise, you'll find yourself being black & white on everything and becoming super miserable as a result.
For the last few years thats I’ve been listening to metal, I dont give a rat’s ass what a band sings about as long as the music is good. It’s like you said in your Blacklisted Records video, life is too short to worry about what one can and can’t listen to. Thats why I can give you credit for getting me into a majority of bands I now enjoy. On the opposite side of the spectrum, politics are full of crybabies as a whole regardless of a standpoint.
I'm a moderate liberal but that's not gonna keep me from listening to basically anything regardless of the lyrical content. I won't support a band financially if they're fascists, but I'm still gonna listen to their music. Twitter's also pure evil in general.
That’s a point I think that’s often left out. Even if you don’t support someone’s political views if you buy the merch and music of a fascist band you support them financially and give them a platform they‘ll most likely use to spread their ideology. Also I think it’s very weird that Antifa bands are being equated to straight up fascists. Yeah Antifa is annoying but at most they‘ll call you out for something online while fascists would beat your ass if they catch you alone. To me there will be always a difference in being frustrated with society and straight up hating other humans for something they can’t change like their skin color. That being said I’m not the guy to call someone a Nazi for listening to Burzum but I’d always advocate for streaming it illegally so at least you don’t support somebody with hateful views
Metal grew out of the 60s, so of course it's always been political (though interestingly, metal pioneers Blue Cheer sang a lot about being baked on psychedelics, but not politics). Anyway, I remember buying a GBK CD back in the 90s, and looking in the liner notes at the band photos, I laughed and thought, "Yeah, these guys would last 5 minutes in South-Central L.A.!" The music was cool, though. Metal's fair game when it comes to lyrics, so if somebody really offends you don't have to listen. Wow, that was easy!
I can only agree. Everyone draws inspiration from something, if it's political, okay! But it should be politics that inspire music, not music that inspires politics (fucked up sentence, but you get me). Shouldn't be extremist though, neither commies nor nazis (libertarians are okay xD)
Black woman in my 40s who's been into metal since the 90s. Tbh, I hate both liberal and conservatives not as a centrist, but as someone who's views are both anarchist and nihilist. I wouldn't say that many of the bands I've listened to over the years align with my politics, though some do. There's other ways that I relate to this music. That being said, I absolutely think the "I don't care about politics" take alot of metalheads have is bullshit. My life and indentities doesn't allow such indifference. And whether the mostly vvhite dudes who say this nonsense realise it or not, their lives are absolutely dominated and ruled by "politics". Bootlicker behavior pretending to be "edgy" tbh.
yeahhh most art is not a good vessel for political anything. what it does for a movement is simply becoming part of the consumers' identity, rather than actually accomplishing much direct. love, yr commie friend
I think overall that left leaning metal tends to turn out better than right leaning metal, not because of my own views, but because the viewpoint of "current society sucks so we should replace it with a better one" is just kinda more metal than "society is just fine as it is and we wouldn't have any problems if people stopped trying to change it."
One of my favourite Black Metal bands is M8l8th, and those eights aren't inconspicuous. You're telling me you can write metal lyrics about literally Satan and murder, but you can't talk about strong political views? I won't apologize for the fact that they shred.
Lyrics about dissecting and cannibalising fetuses are absolutely fine, but mention anything about how you don't think the Austrian painter was such a bad guy, that's crossing the line.
@@austinpark7687 they're not the only ones who may be serious about it tho. You have guys like Emperor or Dissection taking their ideas too seriously too.
I'm conscious of lyrics and what band stand for or what causes they represent. I grew up on satanic death metal but the status of this planet at the moment I have to draw a line in the sand. I could go to a BLM function of Trump rally and know half the people in both camps, the sad thing is both sides are us as a whole. Our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, uncle's, nephews and neighbors, co-workers, etc... The bottom line is destructive forces are intentionally creating false division between the masses and I won't be part of it. I won't give views, money or my attention to anything that goes against my beliefs. In the end I hope truth and justice prevails and I am falling back waiting patiently for the rest to see the light.
i think that it is a rhetorical tactic to describe racist or anti-racist music as "political" because racism is not a political ideology. one does not just have a difference of opinion with a racist; one does not try to sway a racist in the "marketplace of ideas" like you would an independent voter. Bands referenced in this video and otherwise that promote/support/lyrically endorse racism or other types of subjugation of a group of people or even genocide should not be the subject of a reasoned debate, because it is not a reasonable position to defend racism. A broader debate about whether their speech is protected? sure, we can have that, but even then there is no absolute right to speech so it's not like it should be taken as a given that, say, Arghoslent has a right for their music to be published by anyone. it is just as exhausting, if not more, to see someone twist themselves into knots to defend categorically unacceptable racism as it is to see Kim Kelly scrounge the bottom of the Bandcamp barrel for a shitty crust band because they happen to be anarcho-syndicalists.
Racism is political pretty much by definition. You can say that it's not something to be considered acceptable, reasonable, or debatable, and sure, I mostly agree, but whether something is political or not isn't defined by whether it's a reasonable or acceptable position - for something to be political it has to be something that is significant in having an effect on societal and/or interpersonal power relations, and racism fits within that so well I can't see how it wouldn't be political. On a more practical field, racism has been a core part of many political actions, positions and ideology over at least the last few centuries.
@@henriquepacheco7473 really well put, agree. I guess I was trying to say that giving it the veneer of legitimacy of calling it "political" can be an issue, as opposed to attacking the unacceptability of racist ideology that is at the core of the themes.
@@romanticegotist1 I understand, but if we say that racism isn't a part of politics, we risk letting racist, but well-established political forces get away with racism - that was what I meant, at least. I think we can argue against its acceptability and legitimacy without saying that it isn't political, when anyone could pick from a wide list of political racism and use that as a basis to say we don't know what we're talking about. Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I'm not sure how to express the point I want to make.
I wouldn't label myself as right wing, but I do have some right wing views, but I listen to alot of hardcore punk and that genre is entirely left wing. I can separate the artist if what I'm hearing sounds good to me.
I'm apolitical. Otherwords,maybe Im too stupid and/or uncultured to have basic political views. It just all seems like a bunch of arses getting their chitterlings in a knot over what other people do or think. I'm trying to better myself,and I havent time for that bullshit. I enjoy your vids,Wyatt. Horns up. Tell hell with those who have no sense of humor. I'm pretty sure Wyatt didnt expect the Spanish Inquisition...
I guess to me it differs depending on the kind of metal. I care less when it's e.g. fun death metal. Black metal is deeper, I let myself fall into it, it's personal. A lot less seperation of the artist from the art there. Got older and learned what fascist type worldviews actually mean, the level of vain disconnection and egotism someone must possess to think and live this way. It hurt on a whole other level to learn this about artists/bands to whose music I had connected deeply. Idk how ppl can listen to (good) black metal as surface level entertainment, and how the lyrics and the artists can be menatlly seperated from the instrumentals there.
Metal can be political. But I assure you, I don’t give a single f about leftism. For me, black metal has nothing to do with politics. And that’s the way it should be.
I agree with you, about not giving a single “f about leftism”, only because the of difference between that (leftism) and liberalism. For example, in politics today, “lefties” are socialist while liberals are left-leaning and progressive, but not as naive as socialists.
@@angelcastillo1923 The "liberals" you are talking about are the fake, corporate "neo-liberal" types and the left-leaning bleeding-heart libertarian types. Classical liberalism, on the other hand, has always been a center-right, pro-capitalist thing. As a real liberal, I've always been disgusted by the frequent use of term liberal being used to describe anarcho-marxists and corporatists.
Non essere così generalista o apolitico, è importante avere ideali, il problema è il qualunquismo. Non metterei dalla stessa parte gente che vuole uguaglianza economica/sociale con gente che vuole il genocidio di persone che non hanno deciso di nascere nere o omosessuali. Si, quando ero ragazzino discutevo sempre con i miei amici di come quel cantante fosse un conservatore e non avremmo più dovuto ascoltarlo, per noi ad esempio i metallica non meritavano le nostre attenzioni, gli slayer già un po' di più, ma solo perché ci piacevano. Ma noi punks abbiamo sempre dato molta più importanza ai principi rispetto a voi metallari. La propria visione ideale del mondo viene prima di tutto, è normale che se si hanno principi radicali, si viva il tutto in maniera talmente attiva da far entrare spesso tutto questo nei testi in modo più o meno implicito. Non tutti manifestano le proprie opinioni con frasi comuni e poi semplicemente ogni 5 anni andando a votare. Se credi in un mondo alternativo, rifiuti questo mondo, quindi devi essere attivamente presente nella realizzazione di quella nuova realtà che diventa molto importante nella vita tua. Sicuramente molte band non hanno a che fare con movimenti extraparlamentari e si limitano solo ad opinioni generaliste su guerra, diritti lgbt, nazisti, presidenti corrotti, ad esempio non so quanti di loro sappiano la differenza tra consigliarismo e avanguardie leniniste, eppure per molti saranno persone di estrema sinistra, quindi il problema per me non sta nelle idee dei testi, ma nelle idee poco approfondite nei testi. Certo poi, questo finché mi riferisco solo ad uno dei due lati dello spettro politico. Ma anche lì... Non sarei fan di Agnostic front, Vandals, Dag nasty, Fear, Danzig, Joy division, Gang Green, X, della musica country o dei Roxy music, di band più estreme politicamente e molto ambigue come i Death in june... Ovvio che gli Skrewdriver non li ascolto neanche morto, ma non posso nemmeno ascoltare solo band della crass records o gruppi d beat/crust. Uno scriva quel che vuole, basta non essere banali... E non essere fascisti.
Some guy from Sweden had "Jesus is cutn" shirt here. My friends who are good guys but very clerical they warned him. That's not correct, vulgar and offended us. They asked him to take off his shirt and we will give him another one to don't walk half naked. He started laughing and swearing God so just one guy beat him breaks him 5 ribs and he had bleeding in the lungs. 😎
Great video! I very much agree that politics have been entwined with metal from the start, but not in the way it is now. It used to be that bands would put politics into their music as an art form as you said, now musicians are using their bands as a platform to spout off about their politics without regard to the music. I can’t tell you how tiring it is to see otherwise talented bands preaching online about shit that doesn’t involve their art in any way only because they can get more attention than on their personal pages. And it’s not only the bands, it’s the labels and venues too. The ratio of “sides” is also absurdly tilted, I’m going to NSBM to get away from politics because they talk about it less at this point. If it’s just in the music I don’t mind that much, I stand opposed to almost all modern left wing ideology but I can still jam out to old megadeth or something, I’ll just cringe at the lyrics. On a personal note I think music is a spiritual pursuit so if a band can make something I find spiritually fulfilling I don’t care what politics are involved. A good example is that I’m “right wing” although I dislike the label yet I love Cascadian BM even though they’re all leftists. Also please keep making these politic/music skits, I’m sure you’ll eventually piss me off but I look forward to it.
This reminds me of someone who trolled me and I laughed cuz it was funny...it felt more like a roast. Great Zizek and antifa funny stuff...plus making fun of the right wing, etc.
I don’t take offense to the critical jokes that go after my politics (from you, or anyone else) for various reasons, but particularly because they’re just caricature based on stereotypes and, well, there are people who agree with my politics that fit those tropes, and it’s meant to be a comedic caricature. Also, they’re going after certain individuals, or types of individuals, that have a certain ideology, rather than going after the actual ideology itself, and attacking any chore tenets of this or that aspect of it, so I really don’t get why people would take offense on these things… Except.. unless… people who might actually kinda just fit the trope, and obviously think they’re correct to act as they do, so they’re naturally offended, because they feel personally attacked. I think it’s dumb, but that’s my guess. Anyway, it’s unfortunate so many people are so soft about it (right wing, left wing, chicken wing), but not surprising..
I feel like metal listener demographic has changed to ppl recently that hurt their feelings easily. Like u dont have to listen to goatmoon or cannibal if u dont like their themes about gore or fascism.
Good points. Both far-left and far-right are two sides on the same coin. It seems like in this current landscape, there's less room for having civil discourse, and both sides are quick to go at each others' jugular. Rather than try to understand people with views that contradict their own, they adhere to these echo chambers -- especially in the social media age (this can also lead to impressionable people getting manipulated, and viewing the world through a black and white lens -- that goes for either side). Also, it seems like people who go out of their way to cancel bands, want to have it both ways. If one believes in free speech (yes, I know not having freedom from criticism is a whole other thing 🙃), then surely it's better that anyone who's in the arts gets into some disciplined activity, instead of creating real life violence.
My biggest problem with NSBM is the fact that some NSBM festivals are connected to an armed milita from the ukraine and are recruiting for it. War and killing is never okay. Otherwise they can believe and say whatever the fuck they want to.
I’ve seen people say they don’t care about lyrics, just for them to turn around and hate on any NSBM group based on their lyrics. I’m not exactly looking for music that perfectly aligns with my personal political/religious beliefs, I just want some quality music to enjoy.
Partisan politics ruined us, and is what people mean when they say things are too political, its not political themes that's the issue, its the vitriol and lack of nuance on these discussions that turns people away. Going as far as dehumanizing detractors and other viewpoints in an attempt to guilt people to join your side is an all too common tactic these days. This is where you get called a filthy moderate/centrist for daring to point out extreme ends of both sides are just kinda shitty, another thing jreg loves to satire. Im tired of being told to be a good foot soldier in poltical theatre and if i choose not to partake then im "just as bad".
All you really had to say was it was political from the beginning. Every single genre of metal besides a few was made from the insane frustration of the world and it’s injustice and corruption. If you only listen for the music, try pop music.
And A Seige Heil day to you my fellow Aryan brother, Wyattxhim. I've been enjoy our brothers Black metal demos and I even purchased said music on vinyl [White for obvious reasons ;)] and I hope you have a pure and true Day.
Good video. I usually just avoid talking about politics with people, period. People get so upset no matter what I say, both liberals and conservatives.
At this point, discussing politics in any form of art is inescapable. Thanks to the internet, anyone can find any information they need, and just choose which band they're going to listen to due their political views. But it also gives the opportunity for anyone to troll, get angry, and try to ruin your reputation for whatever stupid reason, or feeling the need to put anyone into an agenda, even if they have no idea how to back up their reasoning for anything they say.
Negativity and hatred can be impactful for someone who doesn't know how to handle it, whether the attacks are intentional or not. We need more mature and level headed response videos like this!
It doesn’t help that there’s a whole culture of people on the internet who’s soul purpose is to ruin metal musicians lives over their political ideology. It makes me sick
And that’s honestly why I don’t even associate with people I know that are into the music, because I can’t discuss any band and the quality of their art without having to listen to what their ideologies are and how stupid they are and why I should listen to them and blah blah blah.
This is where it comes on how to handle situations like this, and just accept that eventually you'll come across people that try to cause harm. It really sucks though if it's out of your control, and haters and trolls end up winning.
The internet made everyone think that their views are important. It emboldened every SJW in the world.
politics are the new religion
Look at Wyatt actually maintaining his sanity
Extreme metal can only thrive if extreme views are allowed. Censorship has no place in art and definitely not metal. Anyone who says otherwise does not belong in the scene.
Xaxaxaxaxa you are joking right?
@@thegerou he has a point
Agreed
Censoring idiots is bad. Supporting idiots because they are idiots is also bad.
That is a simpletons argument. We are not talking about how someone "thinks", we are talking about bands actively encouraging violence towards others and festivals like that shit in Ukraine that is literally used to get people to join their movement, as well as labels like WTC ran by actual Nazis. Enjoying music because you enjoy it is one thing, actively supporting people you KNOW are involved in some heinous shit is another. And before you even think about it, I use to rock a Thunderbolt shirt and still listen to Veles when the liberals get me riled up enough.
Enjoy what you want, but I can guarantee most of you as you get older will start to think twice about what bands/labels you support. I'm going to go listen to some GG now...
why does Wyatt have an ANTIFA flag? I imagine for the same reason he owns a totenkopf, libertarian, and soviet flag
I just deleted my comment because it said the same as yours lmao
Nature's Revenge I have a mayhem longsleeve with totenkopfs on :)
@Nature's Revenge fucking based
@@skade245 literally me too
Well.
He’s a centrist so it makes sense.
Does no one remember punk? Does no one remember the anti war songs?
Does no one remember the nazi punk movement?
Does no one remember the right wing black metal festivals?
Does no one remember motorhead?
What about the sex pistols? The Ramones? Napalm death? Black flag? D.R.I.? DEAD KENNEDYS?
Metal is supposed to be the antithesis of society, and the rules and laws they use to govern us with. Since the very inception of heavy music it's been that way. Hell it's been this way since goddamn Muddy Waters and fucking Elvis.
Just a few years ago jungle rot was stopped by the US government from releasing a music video because it would "incite dissention". Cannibal corpse is still banned from countries. Fucking TIPPER GORE.
Politics absolutely belongs in metal. It needs to be examined, and ridiculed as only this genre can do.
Punk and hardcore were founded in destroying nazi groups and ideals
Isn't it ironic how the people that complain about metal bringing politics into the equation are the ones bringing politics to the metal equation.
I could not agree more. Isn't that always the way with people haha. And who cares if someone in a band you enjoy doesn't share your particular political alignment. No one agrees with everyone all the time it's just silly.
“Metal is so political nowadays!”
Didn’t Black Sabbath make a Anti Vietnam/Antiwar song in early 70s?
With politics, I feel you really should enjoy media with different political messages, I can listen to a Billie Eilish song, then a Burzum song, watch an episode of Doctor Who and later read 12 rules for life of Jordan Peterson.
By not sticking to one political viewpoint, you can gain better understanding of the world.
And both Right and Left wingers are right on some points in my eyes.
Though sure, I may seek out bands with similar political messages to mine and enjoy them, but I don’t see myself stopping to listen to bands that have opposing messages, if I like their songs, find this close minded.
Hands down the most based quote I discovered on any metal channel, couldn't agree more man.
Left - "the puppet on the left shares my beliefs"
Right - "the puppet on the right shares my beliefs "
Me - "wait! There's one guy holding both puppets!"
Us government - "go back to bed America. Your government is in control"
It’s 100% valid to not enjoy a band because of their political stance, but I don’t expect everyone to take the same approach.
Metal (in my day) was against the WHOLE system, not one side or the other. Things changed unfortunately.
There you go. Exactly right.
The capitalist system.
@@nkvddeathsquad7668 you must hate non whites. Good for you.
Absolutely!
@@nkvddeathsquad7668 And the communist system
People are connfusing cancel culture in metal with Politics in metal
A lot of people like to cry about "keeping politics out of metal," only when an artist has political views they disagree with.
Freedom of expression is important, and everyone should be able to express their viewpoints as they wish in their artwork. Any sort of censorship in art always opens up a slippery-slope to more and more censorship in the long run.
Water gang 🧊🧊🧊🧊💦💦💦💦🌊🌊🌊🌊💧💧💧💧
- It's all politics?
- Always has been
I agree with every nanosecond of this video. Finally a perfectly explained and level headed viewpoint on this topic
Glad to see your political leaning is Independent Thinker 😎
Yeah. This video is true. I don't think people dislike politics, just preachy politics.
>makes a video about metal's relation to politics
>doesn't bring up NBSM
what's NBSM?
@@mauzer1769 NS Black Metal
"NS" stands for the political ideology adopted by Germany during the 30's that I can't name else my comment would get deleted.
I just wanted to say that I love the lyrical content of Grand Belial's Key and The Shitagogue is my favorite song.
That song personally touched my heart ❤️ 😬
@Edgar Sanchez The band has members of arghoslent, so you can tell that they don't really care for other races
@Interfacer Black metal bands being "sketchy" only became an issue when people like Metalcucks found out that Mgla was signed to Northern Heritage and threw a big hissy fit over it. Before that people only gave a shit if a band was super out there like GBK was.
@Edgar Sanchez GBK is top-tier bm, but you would have to do some serious mental gymnastics to actually believe they aren't anti semitic.
@Interfacer Schellenbach is not white, he's a jew.
I think what's really cool about metal is that it has the ability to unite people from all across the political compass.
Egyptian Communist here...
If you think a song is too extreme to ruin your ideology, then maybe the problem is with your ideology. Metal should be a safe haven for all the outsiders.
Note: Forgotten Path by Dark Fury (NSBM Band) KICKS ASS
I agree when it comes to listening, not purchasing. Meaning who is the money directly going to? But you're a commie so you don't believe in money anyways haha just fucking with you.
I think one of the aspects of blackmetal music that makes it so magic is that blackmetal is not just music to be "entertained". (as you said it) Ask Jon Nodtvëit if he maked some music just to put it on your recordplayer to listen and be well "entertained". It is not just music, at least not for the artist. That is when the word "trve" get some sense. Black metal was about that from the beginning (at least of the second wave)
Jon made music to get fucking weapons bro 😂
I literally laugh when metalheads complain about politics in metal. Y'all clearly haven't been paying attention if you're saying stuff like that.
I have to say that I am really into lyrics. I cant listen to something I do not vibe with. I can appreciate the musicianship.
tbh I sometimes am made most uncomfortable by the politics I agree with in muisc. Whenever I listen to a song that is really really heavily preaching a political message I agree with, I feel like I am being pandered to and that makes me feel uncomfortable, I don't want the music I listen to to just reiterate things I already believe, but add to those ideas. Hearing a song that is all about how wars are bad because bleeeh is just kind of lame, I'd rather listen to something that provided a new perspective
I also enjoy music for just being music rather than the politics.People need to learn that just because you like something doesn't mean you agree with
of course there is dying fetus who mostly make songs about political violence even on their first two albums which came out all the way back in the late 90s and Megadeth who also are another prime example that everyone knows of a band with politically charged lyrics whose first album came out in 1985! during the so call golden age of metal
I 100% agree with everything said in this video.
I really dislike it when non political bands start suddenly pushing out their politics through their band name
For example, the dude behind violet cold just out of nowhere posted a extreme left antifa political post on his band page and also threw shit at the whole black metal genre (even though his music is blackgaze, a genre heavily inspired by black metal, funnily enough)
And the band Stallion who had a killer debut album chose to release a anti fascist album filled with your standard “we’re the good guys, we hate fascists!” type of shit as their next album
My opinion is that if your band isn’t politically focused, then don’t push out your political views through your band. I don’t care if they post their political shit on their private pages, as it’s their right to do so.
Violet Cold actually banned me from their Facebook over that. It was pretty funny.
I personally love it when politics slip in different forms of art, not as serious activism, but as a provocation and way to experiment with different concepts and aesthetics, and the best is that you can be totally extreme in these experimental/provocative views from any side and not just from the right as people think it's the only place where a reaction can come from. The way some metal genres use politics as a gimmick and creative drive is one of the big reasons I enjoy them so much.
Only one song I can think of that really got me thinking and it wasn’t actually a metal song. ILL BILL-American History X
I'm of the opinion that art must express a philosophy. I think of philosophy as the thought process if that makes sense, and it manifests in things like art, politics, your way of life, etc. These "manifestations" all overlap from time to time, just as they're supposed to.
To create metal you need some thought, if that makes sense. Without that thought, nothing can be created.
But I agree, it's absolutely stupid when it becomes very preachy.
The lib right video is probably the funniest one out of the four that you did imo, and that's where I landed the last few times I took the test.
“Keep politics out of metal”
Say the people who listen to NSBM, the genre with a political ideology in its name.
This is not strawmanning, I see this a lot.
Cool vid man all your satirical videos are funny and awesome as well keep doin what you do \m/
Tq for opening up many shallow hearts & minds.
You said it all man, totally agree
I hate preachy sites like Metal Sucks but I also hate how James Hetfield claims Metallica were never about politics
So I'm gonna be that guy and ask what the video editing software you use?
Also, nice video and I can see where you are coming from.
Lyrics are the cherry on top for me when it comes to metal. If the lyrics are intelligent and interesting it adds to the song, but as long as it's not stupid gore then it doesn't really matter to me/take away from the experience.
I can see how it can get annoying with that "personal agenda" you mentioned. Just make great music wether it's political or not. I love seeing how experimental and extreme music can get wether it's musically, aesthetically or political. Loved the skits you should keep em up they're quite funny and I can tell you out quite a bit of work into them. So keep up the great content.
I'm in two minds.
Metal should be about saying what you want. Thats the draw of it right? It has no boundaries.
However, I think certain genres in metal can lend themselves more to politics than others. I don't want to hear a black metal band writing albums about politics, because to me, Black metal should be about escapism and fantasy.
Death metal can lend itself more to politics and has, bands like Sepultura and Gorefest and Napalm death, but no-one listens to death metal for escapism, unless you want to go back into Roman times and listen to ADE.
What annoys me though is this new politically correct trend sweeping through metal. Metal was made to be offensive. I don't see how you can support political correctness, and then supporting a scene that has bands that sing about murder, rape, killing Christians, and then getting banned from certain countries.
Which leads me onto my next annoyance. I've had politically correct metal friends have a go at me , defriend me for when I condemned Islam, and Islamists during the terror attacks .
They didn't say a thing against the attacks on social media. I spoke about it, and got ganged up on. But I asked them, why is it you condemn me for saying stuff against Islam, or supporting some of the views from People like Tommy Robinson, yet you're quite happy to listen to and support bands that sing about killing Christians ? Its two faced.
Well said on the last bid, I can't agree with you more on that one.
Personally for me, I've always been very indifferent to the lyrics of a band _unless_ it really peeks my interest (Alcest, DsO, ect ect). And yeah, there are times where a band has shitty lyrics (GBK or Order of the Death's Head), but I tend to focus squarely on the music than anything else. I do at best consider myself apolitical, or at least center point and I'll admit I got shat on by leftists for disareeing with their obsessive posting on how the world sucks and shit like that, and I can guess you say I got shit on by right-wingers being center or simply disagreeing on _their_ high political soapboxes. Honestly I just wanna enjoy my entertainment in peace.
Also I found _all_ the metal skits to be so damn hilarious, also the last part over you pointing out how people can't even look at a silly metal skit and laugh at their own political side due to their (unironically) political views is similar to how things have gotten in the fandoms I'm in (seriously, for a fandom founded on 4chan, it's gotten borderline cringy over assuming everything is right-wing...).
Either way, great video on metal and politics, I'm rather surprised by the very apolitical and middle ground side!
@Nature's Revenge shitty as in their racist/nazi views. Not that their lyrics are terribly written. Plus when it comes to bands like GBK or OOTDH, I don't buy their music because I'm not gonna support that shit.
@@Reflechissant People are annoying enough to always bring up the fact Neige was in Peste Noire for 8-9 years and use that over his head to say he's a Nazi. Either that or obnoxiously bring up the Drudkh project or even the Saor collab. Somehow these things that he obviously did for monetary gain equates to him being a Nazi to these people.
I honestly wasn't offended by any of the skits. I had watched jreg's videos before so I was aware of the anti-centrist humor you were drawing from.
I just don't find the skits very funny if I'm perfectly honest with you.
My opinion on politics in metal lyrics is: Don't tell me what I should think, but make me think. And I guess your skits kind of accomplish that in a way. Life's to short to not be able to laugh at yourself.
I think you might have taken it a step too far with the racism in metal skits, however, I was not personally offended by it because I knew where you were coming from. I think that racism should not exist in music but I can't stop people from listening to racist acts such as KPN if they so desire. I just don't like being preached at.
Do you speak. French?
I'm with you on enjoying music for what it is. The way I see it, it should be less about a political message existing in the music, but rather about how well the idea is executed. That's why I'm able to enjoy artists like Rage Against the Machine, Rise Against, System of a Down, etc. despite being center-left. I only really draw the line when you're being preachy and/or dickish with your PR like what we saw with Chris Taylor Brown of Trapt (right) and Buddy Nielsen of Senses Fail (left), or if the music itself is just straight cringe like War On Women and the far-right equivalents that I'm sure exist. But other than that, I really don't think it's any use placing such hard emphasis on politics. Otherwise, you'll find yourself being black & white on everything and becoming super miserable as a result.
For the last few years thats I’ve been listening to metal, I dont give a rat’s ass what a band sings about as long as the music is good. It’s like you said in your Blacklisted Records video, life is too short to worry about what one can and can’t listen to. Thats why I can give you credit for getting me into a majority of bands I now enjoy. On the opposite side of the spectrum, politics are full of crybabies as a whole regardless of a standpoint.
Im an RABM guy and I enjoy your skits very much
I'm a moderate liberal but that's not gonna keep me from listening to basically anything regardless of the lyrical content. I won't support a band financially if they're fascists, but I'm still gonna listen to their music.
Twitter's also pure evil in general.
That’s a point I think that’s often left out. Even if you don’t support someone’s political views if you buy the merch and music of a fascist band you support them financially and give them a platform they‘ll most likely use to spread their ideology. Also I think it’s very weird that Antifa bands are being equated to straight up fascists. Yeah Antifa is annoying but at most they‘ll call you out for something online while fascists would beat your ass if they catch you alone. To me there will be always a difference in being frustrated with society and straight up hating other humans for something they can’t change like their skin color. That being said I’m not the guy to call someone a Nazi for listening to Burzum but I’d always advocate for streaming it illegally so at least you don’t support somebody with hateful views
Metal and punk is politics to me and allways will be
i love this video, everyone has a right to a option. look at it and move on with your life.
Metal grew out of the 60s, so of course it's always been political (though interestingly, metal pioneers Blue Cheer sang a lot about being baked on psychedelics, but not politics). Anyway, I remember buying a GBK CD back in the 90s, and looking in the liner notes at the band photos, I laughed and thought, "Yeah, these guys would last 5 minutes in South-Central L.A.!" The music was cool, though. Metal's fair game when it comes to lyrics, so if somebody really offends you don't have to listen. Wow, that was easy!
I can only agree. Everyone draws inspiration from something, if it's political, okay! But it should be politics that inspire music, not music that inspires politics (fucked up sentence, but you get me). Shouldn't be extremist though, neither commies nor nazis (libertarians are okay xD)
11:44 Very well said
hi Farvann
Black woman in my 40s who's been into metal since the 90s.
Tbh, I hate both liberal and conservatives not as a centrist, but as someone who's views are both anarchist and nihilist.
I wouldn't say that many of the bands I've listened to over the years align with my politics, though some do. There's other ways that I relate to this music.
That being said, I absolutely think the "I don't care about politics" take alot of metalheads have is bullshit. My life and indentities doesn't allow such indifference. And whether the mostly vvhite dudes who say this nonsense realise it or not, their lives are absolutely dominated and ruled by "politics".
Bootlicker behavior pretending to be "edgy" tbh.
yeahhh most art is not a good vessel for political anything. what it does for a movement is simply becoming part of the consumers' identity, rather than actually accomplishing much direct.
love, yr commie friend
I think overall that left leaning metal tends to turn out better than right leaning metal, not because of my own views, but because the viewpoint of "current society sucks so we should replace it with a better one" is just kinda more metal than "society is just fine as it is and we wouldn't have any problems if people stopped trying to change it."
One of my favourite Black Metal bands is M8l8th, and those eights aren't inconspicuous. You're telling me you can write metal lyrics about literally Satan and murder, but you can't talk about strong political views? I won't apologize for the fact that they shred.
Lyrics about dissecting and cannibalising fetuses are absolutely fine, but mention anything about how you don't think the Austrian painter was such a bad guy, that's crossing the line.
@@Morbid_ usually the guys who like the austrian painter are serious about it
@@austinpark7687 they're not the only ones who may be serious about it tho. You have guys like Emperor or Dissection taking their ideas too seriously too.
Well said my dude!
Good video
fascist
Do an Arghoslent and Grand Belials Key retrospective.
No
I’m surprised you’re not chasing clout like you do with Razorfist.
Chasing clout? You mean making fun of the guy for being asshole?
I'm conscious of lyrics and what band stand for or what causes they represent. I grew up on satanic death metal but the status of this planet at the moment I have to draw a line in the sand. I could go to a BLM function of Trump rally and know half the people in both camps, the sad thing is both sides are us as a whole. Our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, uncle's, nephews and neighbors, co-workers, etc... The bottom line is destructive forces are intentionally creating false division between the masses and I won't be part of it. I won't give views, money or my attention to anything that goes against my beliefs. In the end I hope truth and justice prevails and I am falling back waiting patiently for the rest to see the light.
Don’t really care which way you swing. It’s all bollocks. Just remember “this is the news.”
That was the most Jreg depiction of an Antifa guy
i think that it is a rhetorical tactic to describe racist or anti-racist music as "political" because racism is not a political ideology. one does not just have a difference of opinion with a racist; one does not try to sway a racist in the "marketplace of ideas" like you would an independent voter. Bands referenced in this video and otherwise that promote/support/lyrically endorse racism or other types of subjugation of a group of people or even genocide should not be the subject of a reasoned debate, because it is not a reasonable position to defend racism. A broader debate about whether their speech is protected? sure, we can have that, but even then there is no absolute right to speech so it's not like it should be taken as a given that, say, Arghoslent has a right for their music to be published by anyone. it is just as exhausting, if not more, to see someone twist themselves into knots to defend categorically unacceptable racism as it is to see Kim Kelly scrounge the bottom of the Bandcamp barrel for a shitty crust band because they happen to be anarcho-syndicalists.
Racism is political pretty much by definition. You can say that it's not something to be considered acceptable, reasonable, or debatable, and sure, I mostly agree, but whether something is political or not isn't defined by whether it's a reasonable or acceptable position - for something to be political it has to be something that is significant in having an effect on societal and/or interpersonal power relations, and racism fits within that so well I can't see how it wouldn't be political. On a more practical field, racism has been a core part of many political actions, positions and ideology over at least the last few centuries.
@@henriquepacheco7473 really well put, agree. I guess I was trying to say that giving it the veneer of legitimacy of calling it "political" can be an issue, as opposed to attacking the unacceptability of racist ideology that is at the core of the themes.
@@romanticegotist1 I understand, but if we say that racism isn't a part of politics, we risk letting racist, but well-established political forces get away with racism - that was what I meant, at least. I think we can argue against its acceptability and legitimacy without saying that it isn't political, when anyone could pick from a wide list of political racism and use that as a basis to say we don't know what we're talking about.
Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I'm not sure how to express the point I want to make.
I don't mind the content in the lyrics but I just hate when the members get preachy lmao
Arghoslent has great lyrics ;) Recent riots absolutely prove their validity.
Lyrics and vocals in metal=salt and pepper on your meal, you don't need them, but it's a bit bland without...
Keep doing what you're doing, you hydrated weirdo.
I wouldn't label myself as right wing, but I do have some right wing views, but I listen to alot of hardcore punk and that genre is entirely left wing. I can separate the artist if what I'm hearing sounds good to me.
Fresh Truth For Rotting Conspiracy Theorists
Heavy metal came from the hippie counter- culture, with just louder, harder, faster;etc.music.
Damn, I guess some people don't know basic history! 🤘👹🤘
I'm apolitical. Otherwords,maybe Im too stupid and/or uncultured to have basic political views. It just all seems like a bunch of arses getting their chitterlings in a knot over what other people do or think. I'm trying to better myself,and I havent time for that bullshit. I enjoy your vids,Wyatt. Horns up.
Tell hell with those who have no sense of humor. I'm pretty sure Wyatt didnt expect the Spanish Inquisition...
I guess to me it differs depending on the kind of metal. I care less when it's e.g. fun death metal. Black metal is deeper, I let myself fall into it, it's personal.
A lot less seperation of the artist from the art there.
Got older and learned what fascist type worldviews actually mean, the level of vain disconnection and egotism someone must possess to think and live this way. It hurt on a whole other level to learn this about artists/bands to whose music I had connected deeply.
Idk how ppl can listen to (good) black metal as surface level entertainment, and how the lyrics and the artists can be menatlly seperated from the instrumentals there.
Black sabbaths war pigs is antiwar therefore its political. metal has always been and will always remain political to some degree.
Metal can be political. But I assure you, I don’t give a single f about leftism. For me, black metal has nothing to do with politics. And that’s the way it should be.
I agree with you, about not giving a single “f about leftism”, only because the of difference between that (leftism) and liberalism. For example, in politics today, “lefties” are socialist while liberals are left-leaning and progressive, but not as naive as socialists.
@@angelcastillo1923 The "liberals" you are talking about are the fake, corporate "neo-liberal" types and the left-leaning bleeding-heart libertarian types. Classical liberalism, on the other hand, has always been a center-right, pro-capitalist thing. As a real liberal, I've always been disgusted by the frequent use of term liberal being used to describe anarcho-marxists and corporatists.
Non essere così generalista o apolitico, è importante avere ideali, il problema è il qualunquismo. Non metterei dalla stessa parte gente che vuole uguaglianza economica/sociale con gente che vuole il genocidio di persone che non hanno deciso di nascere nere o omosessuali.
Si, quando ero ragazzino discutevo sempre con i miei amici di come quel cantante fosse un conservatore e non avremmo più dovuto ascoltarlo, per noi ad esempio i metallica non meritavano le nostre attenzioni, gli slayer già un po' di più, ma solo perché ci piacevano. Ma noi punks abbiamo sempre dato molta più importanza ai principi rispetto a voi metallari. La propria visione ideale del mondo viene prima di tutto, è normale che se si hanno principi radicali, si viva il tutto in maniera talmente attiva da far entrare spesso tutto questo nei testi in modo più o meno implicito. Non tutti manifestano le proprie opinioni con frasi comuni e poi semplicemente ogni 5 anni andando a votare. Se credi in un mondo alternativo, rifiuti questo mondo, quindi devi essere attivamente presente nella realizzazione di quella nuova realtà che diventa molto importante nella vita tua. Sicuramente molte band non hanno a che fare con movimenti extraparlamentari e si limitano solo ad opinioni generaliste su guerra, diritti lgbt, nazisti, presidenti corrotti, ad esempio non so quanti di loro sappiano la differenza tra consigliarismo e avanguardie leniniste, eppure per molti saranno persone di estrema sinistra, quindi il problema per me non sta nelle idee dei testi, ma nelle idee poco approfondite nei testi. Certo poi, questo finché mi riferisco solo ad uno dei due lati dello spettro politico. Ma anche lì... Non sarei fan di Agnostic front, Vandals, Dag nasty, Fear, Danzig, Joy division, Gang Green, X, della musica country o dei Roxy music, di band più estreme politicamente e molto ambigue come i Death in june... Ovvio che gli Skrewdriver non li ascolto neanche morto, ma non posso nemmeno ascoltare solo band della crass records o gruppi d beat/crust.
Uno scriva quel che vuole, basta non essere banali... E non essere fascisti.
Some guy from Sweden had "Jesus is cutn" shirt here. My friends who are good guys but very clerical they warned him. That's not correct, vulgar and offended us. They asked him to take off his shirt and we will give him another one to don't walk half naked. He started laughing and swearing God so just one guy beat him breaks him 5 ribs and he had bleeding in the lungs. 😎
Great video!
I very much agree that politics have been entwined with metal from the start, but not in the way it is now.
It used to be that bands would put politics into their music as an art form as you said, now musicians are using their bands as a platform to spout off about their politics without regard to the music. I can’t tell you how tiring it is to see otherwise talented bands preaching online about shit that doesn’t involve their art in any way only because they can get more attention than on their personal pages.
And it’s not only the bands, it’s the labels and venues too.
The ratio of “sides” is also absurdly tilted, I’m going to NSBM to get away from politics because they talk about it less at this point.
If it’s just in the music I don’t mind that much, I stand opposed to almost all modern left wing ideology but I can still jam out to old megadeth or something, I’ll just cringe at the lyrics.
On a personal note I think music is a spiritual pursuit so if a band can make something I find spiritually fulfilling I don’t care what politics are involved. A good example is that I’m “right wing” although I dislike the label yet I love Cascadian BM even though they’re all leftists.
Also please keep making these politic/music skits, I’m sure you’ll eventually piss me off but I look forward to it.
discoord wheeeennnnn
This reminds me of someone who trolled me and I laughed cuz it was funny...it felt more like a roast. Great Zizek and antifa funny stuff...plus making fun of the right wing, etc.
GIVE ME YOUR KNELT ROTE SHIRT RIGHT FUCKING NOW!
Jreg is fantastic.
You know what’s good
@@wyattxhim ikr ;)
Acrania does it right imo
it's just a social experiment bro
I don’t take offense to the critical jokes that go after my politics (from you, or anyone else) for various reasons, but particularly because they’re just caricature based on stereotypes and, well, there are people who agree with my politics that fit those tropes, and it’s meant to be a comedic caricature. Also, they’re going after certain individuals, or types of individuals, that have a certain ideology, rather than going after the actual ideology itself, and attacking any chore tenets of this or that aspect of it, so I really don’t get why people would take offense on these things…
Except.. unless… people who might actually kinda just fit the trope, and obviously think they’re correct to act as they do, so they’re naturally offended, because they feel personally attacked. I think it’s dumb, but that’s my guess.
Anyway, it’s unfortunate so many people are so soft about it (right wing, left wing, chicken wing), but not surprising..
He wasnt making fun of liberals he was making fun of antifa
I feel like metal listener demographic has changed to ppl recently that hurt their feelings easily. Like u dont have to listen to goatmoon or cannibal if u dont like their themes about gore or fascism.
This generation in general just get their feelings hurt to easily
Good points. Both far-left and far-right are two sides on the same coin. It seems like in this current landscape, there's less room for having civil discourse, and both sides are quick to go at each others' jugular. Rather than try to understand people with views that contradict their own, they adhere to these echo chambers -- especially in the social media age (this can also lead to impressionable people getting manipulated, and viewing the world through a black and white lens -- that goes for either side).
Also, it seems like people who go out of their way to cancel bands, want to have it both ways. If one believes in free speech (yes, I know not having freedom from criticism is a whole other thing 🙃), then surely it's better that anyone who's in the arts gets into some disciplined activity, instead of creating real life violence.
automatically assuming someone fully believes and supports whatever/whoever it is behind the music they listen to is very dumb
My biggest problem with NSBM is the fact that some NSBM festivals are connected to an armed milita from the ukraine and are recruiting for it. War and killing is never okay. Otherwise they can believe and say whatever the fuck they want to.
Why do you support that bullshit??? I enjoy your videos
I’ve seen people say they don’t care about lyrics, just for them to turn around and hate on any NSBM group based on their lyrics. I’m not exactly looking for music that perfectly aligns with my personal political/religious beliefs, I just want some quality music to enjoy.
Partisan politics ruined us, and is what people mean when they say things are too political, its not political themes that's the issue, its the vitriol and lack of nuance on these discussions that turns people away. Going as far as dehumanizing detractors and other viewpoints in an attempt to guilt people to join your side is an all too common tactic these days. This is where you get called a filthy moderate/centrist for daring to point out extreme ends of both sides are just kinda shitty, another thing jreg loves to satire. Im tired of being told to be a good foot soldier in poltical theatre and if i choose not to partake then im "just as bad".
ppl jus need to get off they dam phone
Politics probably shouldn't be in metal because the average juvenile understanding that the average metalhead has of anything political
is dying fetus right leaning?
All you really had to say was it was political from the beginning. Every single genre of metal besides a few was made from the insane frustration of the world and it’s injustice and corruption. If you only listen for the music, try pop music.
And A Seige Heil day to you my fellow Aryan brother, Wyattxhim. I've been enjoy our brothers Black metal demos and I even purchased said music on vinyl [White for obvious reasons ;)] and I hope you have a pure and true Day.
is this satire? just making sure
Woah there! pretty controversial for you to say that metal is a genre of music
Good video. I usually just avoid talking about politics with people, period. People get so upset no matter what I say, both liberals and conservatives.
people that complain about music getting too political just don’t like the politics the music is leaning towards. hands down
Left unchecked. Nothing more tiresome tgan ideological musical musings.
This is why I stopped enjoying the The Hard Times.